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Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. The

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Speaker 1: President is wrong, Paul Begala is wrong, the polls are right,

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Speaker 1: and Trump's convictions continue to eat away at his Republican

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Speaker 1: support and the Democrats need to emphasize his criminality at

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Speaker 1: every turn. Now it is Morning Consults weekly tracking poll,

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Speaker 1: and ignore the swing from Trump plus one last week

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Speaker 1: to Biden plus one this week. This is their analysis

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Speaker 1: of their poll quote New York trial hurt Trump's image.

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Speaker 1: This is the sixth successive week in which Biden's net

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Speaker 1: favorability rating has bettered Trump's, a trend that began as

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Speaker 1: legal proceedings in New York ramped up. The latest data

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Speaker 1: shows Trump's worst net favorability rating since last January. That

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Speaker 1: is the point Biden's net favorability is minus nine. Trump's

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Speaker 1: is now minus twelve. He is further underwater in the

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Speaker 1: land of the Bland. The one digit disapproval guy is king.

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Speaker 1: The day before the Morning Consult poll was the CBS

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Speaker 1: you gov poll, and Trump was ahead fifty to forty nine,

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Speaker 1: but Biden is ahead in battleground states fifty to forty nine.

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Speaker 1: To their eternal discredit, Ugov and CBS gives you none

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Speaker 1: of the raw data in the battleground states, nor anything

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Speaker 1: on a state by state basis, only saying we oversampled

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Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. That's like looking outside your window and saying

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Speaker 1: there's some weather out there. CBS also completely and more

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Speaker 1: importantly misses the point when it asks which issues are

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Speaker 1: major factors in your vote, and it gets eighty one

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Speaker 1: percent say yes, the US Mexico border is a major

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Speaker 1: factor in my vote. And then CBS concludes only twenty

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Speaker 1: eight percent said the Trump conviction would be a major

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Speaker 1: a minor factor, right twenty eight percent, So fifty six

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Speaker 1: percent say the border, immigration, deportation, the Trump racism card.

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Speaker 1: Fifty six percent say that is a major factor in

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Speaker 1: their vote, something Trump has been selling NonStop for nine years,

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Speaker 1: but half that many say his conviction, which is still

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Speaker 1: just twelve days old, is also a major factor. In

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Speaker 1: twelve days, Trump's conviction in the hush money election interference

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Speaker 1: trial has become half as important as immigration and the border.

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Speaker 1: And that is being dismissed in the write up as

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Speaker 1: being a minor factor. It is in fact, astonishingly large,

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Speaker 1: astonishingly fast, and that's not even considering the minor voters.

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Speaker 1: Twenty eight percent say it's a major factor, seventeen percent

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Speaker 1: say it's a minor factor. Nearly half of voters say

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Speaker 1: his convictions are a factor in their vote. CBS also

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Speaker 1: noted in passing that the conviction seem to be improving

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Speaker 1: Biden's position with Democrats. Of course it is. It is

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Speaker 1: animating them. That's the other point. We see the same

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Speaker 1: thing in a different you gov poll for Yahoo News,

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Speaker 1: which has Biden up forty six to forty four. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, that's his first lead in that poll

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Speaker 1: write up, Trump's conviction in the hush money case may

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Speaker 1: more inclined to believe that Trump is guilty of other crimes.

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Speaker 1: The number of Americans who now think Trump quote conspired

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Speaker 1: obstructing efforts to retrieve them has increased from forty eight

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Speaker 1: similar gains among Democrats and independents. Hallelujah. The point is

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Speaker 1: being made for us that Yahoo poll also shows voters

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Speaker 1: Biden's lead would widen to forty six to forty And that,

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Speaker 1: of course, is why his concierge, Judge Eileen Cannon, and

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Speaker 1: the Political Supreme Court have worked so hard to prevent

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Speaker 1: any other verdicts before the election. And Yahoo also asked,

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Speaker 1: and this is more important, and I give them all

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Speaker 1: the credit in the world. Which is more important to you?

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden's age or Donald Trump's conviction, the result the

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Speaker 1: Trump conviction is more important to forty three percent, the

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Speaker 1: evidence that the convictions are hurting Trump well for polling

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Speaker 1: What is the Biden campaign doing with these the most

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Speaker 1: encouraging polling numbers this year? Off camera, the President is

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Speaker 1: telling people at fundraisers that Trump is a convicted felon

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Speaker 1: And on camera, in an interview with ABC News, he

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Speaker 1: wouldn't say it. What do you think the American people

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Speaker 1: should make of this? How important do you think this

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Speaker 1: conviction should be in this race for president? That's for

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Speaker 1: the public to decide.

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Speaker 2: But one thing for certain is stop undermining the rule

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Speaker 1: No wrong answer, no, mister president ah ah. That's for

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Speaker 1: the public. To decide. This is not an American idol vote,

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Speaker 1: This isn't coke versus pepsi. This isn't the time to

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Speaker 1: stay above the fray. This is democracy or dictatorship. This

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Speaker 1: is life or death. And most people voting don't know that.

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Speaker 1: And you are the president of the United States, and

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Speaker 1: you have to make the case to them. You don't

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Speaker 1: have to sink to Trump's brain damaged rhetorical level. That's

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Speaker 1: for me to do, but to say that's for the

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Speaker 1: public to decide, Help them decide. Tell them the truth,

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Speaker 1: because mister president, when you hesitate like that, all the

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Speaker 1: other Democrats think they are supposed to hesitate. Paul freaking

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Speaker 1: Begala goes on CNN and says, quote, the Democrats have

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Speaker 1: to make this about your life, not Donald Trump's. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's always you know, I was politically raised by

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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, and he would always say, you know, elections

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Speaker 1: to take this to that message of we're here for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm not very interested in mister Trump's personal problems. I'm

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Speaker 1: interested in the lives and families of the American people. Bullshit, bullshit.

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Speaker 1: Paul Bagala Trump's personal problems, like his you know, dictatorship problem,

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Speaker 1: prison problem, and his I'm a convicted felon problem, These

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Speaker 1: his own. You want to debate how much economics, how

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Speaker 1: much immigration, and how much dictatorship in the mix here, fine,

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Speaker 1: but don't tell me you're not interested, mister in mister

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Speaker 1: Trump's personal problems, or I will have to mention that

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Speaker 1: your last consulting job was on Hillary Clinton's two thousand campaign,

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Speaker 1: business sale. The suicidal madness of the Paul begalas even

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Speaker 1: the Biden reluctance to just harshly focus on Trump's convictions,

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Speaker 1: not only can you base a campaign on more than

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Speaker 1: one theme, more than one slogan, more than one pitch,

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Speaker 1: but that in these days of epically low attention spans.

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Speaker 1: You have to Nobody is saying the whole anti Trump

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Speaker 1: campaign should be about his crimes. You need to have

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Speaker 1: you also need just as many and just as bold

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Speaker 1: ads about meat and potatoes issues. I wouldn't be so

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Speaker 1: Trump keeps promising to defund all schools that have vaccine mandates. Well,

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Speaker 1: this should be an advertising no brainer. I cooked this up.

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Speaker 1: It took me about forty five seconds. Convicted fellow, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump wants to keep your children from getting vaccines. All vaccines,

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Speaker 1: school that has a vaccine mandates. No vaccines, says Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: No measles vaccine, no tetanus vaccine, no polio vaccine. Just

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Speaker 1: sixty years ago, six thousand American children died from polio

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Speaker 1: because there was no vaccine. Convicted fellon, Donald Trump wants

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Speaker 1: Trump wants to kill your children. Okay, how hard was that?

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Speaker 1: Just slap? I'm Joe Biden, and I approved this message

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Speaker 1: that day, simple, memorable and by the way true. What

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Speaker 1: there are no vaccines? Once again, I wrote that in

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Speaker 1: forty five seconds. Imagine what a pro could do. Don't

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Speaker 1: tell me it's too tough. We need that Willy Horton

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Speaker 1: kids ad, how about a quick pocketbook style commercial convicted felon.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump wants to deport millions of people. Maybe you

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Speaker 1: What happens when Trump has deported all the people who

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Speaker 1: happens then? Inflation? Donald Trump wants more inflation. I mean,

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Speaker 1: This isn't as hard as the Paul Begalas of this

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Speaker 1: Convicted felon Donald Trump loves Supreme Court Justice Sam Alito,

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Speaker 1: you know, the flag guy. And sam Alito has told

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Speaker 1: future is a choice. Tolerant moderates like you must lose,

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Speaker 3: One side or the other. One side or the other

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Speaker 1: That's what Trump and Alito want. They want to win,

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Speaker 1: and they want you to lose everything. Vote Democratic. We

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Speaker 1: all the people. This isn't Iran, this is America. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the tag. I'm Joe Biden and I approved this message

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Speaker 1: because this isn't Iran. If that clip of Alito there

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Speaker 1: surprised you read the Rolling Stone piece about my friend,

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Speaker 1: the investigative journalist Lauren Windsor and Sam Alito, and once

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Speaker 1: again we survive thanks to the stupidity of the people

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Speaker 1: who would kill us. This is the second time Lauren

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Speaker 1: did it last year too. She just massages the egos

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Speaker 3: It's easy to blame to blame the media, but I

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Speaker 1: these papers by Jonathan Turley. I don't know that Trump

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Speaker 2: And no, I'll tell you what. These are sick people.

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Speaker 1: Military Milt also forgotten from Sunday, Trump out and out

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Speaker 1: his earned run average at this moment is five point

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Speaker 1: seventy nine. Coming up. But first, as ever, there are

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Speaker 1: still more new idiots to talk about who are not

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Speaker 1: in baseball. The daily roundup of the mis grants, morons

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Speaker 1: and dunning Krueger effects specimens who constitute today's non baseball

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Speaker 1: worst persons in the world. And yes, if they ball cares,

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Speaker 1: and I know it doesn't. Baseball's losing me the bronze worse.

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Speaker 1: Governor Kathy Hokel, alleged Democrat of New York. Hokel has

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Speaker 1: abruptly and it sure looks like she's done it illegally

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Speaker 1: frozen the introduction of congestion pricing in New York City

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Speaker 1: at the end of the month. This is where they

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Speaker 1: charge you for going downtown. It's worked in cities around

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Speaker 1: the world. It's increased traffic flow, increase the use of

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Speaker 1: mass transit, decreased pollution, and she stopped it just her

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Speaker 1: after it passed. She's being sued, she may be primaried.

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Speaker 1: There may be a push forming to remove her. Happily,

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Speaker 1: for her opponents, Kathy Hokel is just not bright. She

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Speaker 1: claimed yesterday that no, she's not attending a fundraiser for

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Speaker 1: her today in New York City. The fundraiser, which donors

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Speaker 1: are being asked to fork over five to ten thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars a piece, is being days after she came down

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Speaker 1: in favor of cars and traffic and pollution and sucked

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Speaker 1: a billion dollars worth of funding out of mass transit

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Speaker 1: in New York City. This fundraiser for her is being

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Speaker 1: held at the Center for Automotive Education and Training in

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Speaker 1: Queens and it's being staged by Well this is a coincidence,

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Speaker 1: the Greater New York Automobile Association, a group of car fanciers,

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Speaker 1: people who like to make models.

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Speaker 8: No, it's a group of car dealers. Governor Hokal, get

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Speaker 8: the f out of my city.

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Speaker 1: The runner up worse, sir. Every once in a while,

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Speaker 1: there's a moment or two when it seems as if

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Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor, insurrectionist human trash Barney rubble Green might not

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Speaker 1: be as stupid as she looks. And then she reminds you, oh,

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Speaker 1: yes she is.

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Speaker 4: And you think gas prices are high, Now just wait

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Speaker 4: until you're forced to drive an electric veha.

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Speaker 1: Exactly see what sells there? What makes that is the

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Speaker 1: exactly where she congratulates herself on her brilliance. Also, ma'am,

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Speaker 1: you have a deviated septum. If you'll get it repaired,

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Speaker 1: I'll pay for the operation. Enacling Marjorie Taylor Green thinks

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Speaker 1: electric vehicles run on gasoline. Now she may be confused.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a day ending in why she may

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Speaker 1: be confused. She might be thinking of hybrids. And I

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Speaker 1: suppose if you walked her through it very carefully and slowly,

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Speaker 1: over the course of several weeks or months, Green would

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Speaker 1: finally realize that the point of electric vehicles, why they

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Speaker 1: call them electric vehicles, is that they don't run on gasoline,

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Speaker 1: and they certainly would not drive up demand for or

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Speaker 1: the of gasoline. But after like three minutes of trying

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Speaker 1: to process reality the eyes of Marjorie Taylor are you

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Speaker 1: sure you haven't had multiple concussions? Green just glaze over

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Speaker 1: and she gets that hit in the face with a snowshovel. Look.

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Speaker 1: I mean this one is up there with the time

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Speaker 1: she demanded a national divorce because in her new country,

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Speaker 1: let's call it Moronica, you could force students to recite

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Speaker 1: the Pledge of Allegiance every day. The Pledge of Allegiance

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Speaker 1: in a divorced country, the Pledge of allegiance that includes

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Speaker 1: the line one nation indivisible. I guess division would be

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Speaker 1: illegal in her new country. She doesn't know what indivisible means.

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Speaker 1: The debate over what makes Marge so stupid is endless

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Speaker 1: and pointless. Just last week, she explained something on Twitter

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Speaker 1: by using a phrase that she must have heard a

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Speaker 1: not stupid person say once therein lies ojie. She thinks

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Speaker 1: it's there and law she spelled it thch e R

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Speaker 1: space new word e n l i E s. She

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Speaker 1: thinks there's a word and lies like that guy used

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Speaker 1: to run China Joe and lies. Oh my god, they're

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Speaker 1: and lies for all intensive purposes Marjorie. Previously, Midge has

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Speaker 1: warned us that Bill Gates intends to force us to

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Speaker 1: eat artificial meat grown in a quote peach tree dish.

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Speaker 1: It's two years now since her video in which she

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Speaker 1: insisted that Joe Biden would soon be unleashing his secret

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Speaker 1: police against America. You know, the gospacho. Maybe it's brain damage.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's an IQ matching Tom Brady's uniform number or

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Speaker 1: Babe Ruth's uniform number. Maybe it's opioids. Maybe it's steroids.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's hemorrhoids. Maybe it's inbreeding. But I am going

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Speaker 1: to play this part of this clip again and then

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Speaker 1: offer you a really low odds explanation that truly would

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Speaker 1: tie it all neatly together.

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Speaker 4: You think gas prices are high, now just wait until

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Speaker 4: you're forced to drive an electric vehicle.

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Speaker 1: So here's my theory. What is my theory? It's my theory.

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Speaker 1: My theory was born last month after scientists at Cambridge

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Speaker 1: University completed a ten year project to take some unearthed

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Speaker 1: bones from a Neanderthal woman who had died seventy five

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Speaker 1: thousand years ago and was found in the Shanadar Cave

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Speaker 1: in Kurdistan in Iraq, and using computer modeling and precise

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Speaker 1: calculations at a little art they reconstructed her face. They

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Speaker 1: call her shannizar Z and she's a dead ringer for

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Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green. I mean a little on the facial coloring,

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Speaker 1: but with the amount of makeup marg wares, it's pretty close.

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Speaker 1: Same bulging bones under the eyebrows, the high cheek bones,

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Speaker 1: the prominent nose. Only the hair color is really different,

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Speaker 1: and we know how it got different. So here's my theory.

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Speaker 1: When they found shannas dar's Z Neanderthal woman from seventy

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Speaker 1: five thousand years ago, they did not find her alone.

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Speaker 1: There were two of them, and one was dead shannazar Z,

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Speaker 1: and the other one was just frozen in suspended animation.

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Speaker 1: And they brought her back to life and they named

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Speaker 1: her Shanadar MTG, and the Republicans promptly ran her for Congress.

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Speaker 1: And here we are with a leading GOP elected representative

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Speaker 1: insisting that electric cars run on gasoline. But our winner

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Speaker 1: the worst of worsts Politico Playbook. Politico Playbook is well

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Speaker 1: known as the home of typos and log rolling for

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Speaker 1: the editor's girlfriend and editors who are only there because

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Speaker 1: they've been fired by everybody else, and printing interminable lists

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Speaker 1: of anonymous political reporters who mistakenly think they are celebrities

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Speaker 1: because they were attending parties they don't know are slightly

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Speaker 1: less important than the meetings of the Kowanas Club in

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Speaker 1: Rapid City. But even for them, even for a political playbook,

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Speaker 1: this is a dilly. It's about North Dakota Governor Doug

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Speaker 1: the mono Brow Bergham. And how as I have suggested

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Speaker 1: here for months, Bergham is actually the clubhouse leader to

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Speaker 1: be Trump's running mate, because when Trump picked Mike Pence,

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Speaker 1: he thinks he was right and Mike Pence just failed.

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Speaker 1: He needs a better Mike Pence. And that's got Doug

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Speaker 1: Bergham written all over it. Anyway, here's the typo about

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Speaker 1: Bergham and Trump quote. As for looks, which are clearly

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Speaker 1: important to the former president, Trump has also told people

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Speaker 1: that Bergham looks the part and has gushed over his

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Speaker 1: thick head of head.

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Speaker 8: Thick head of head, Doug Bergham has a thick head

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Speaker 8: of head. That's typo Politico playbook.

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Speaker 1: At least I think it's a typo.

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Speaker 8: Two days, worst persons.

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Speaker 5: And no word.

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Speaker 1: They kind of it happens. Holy crap, When I didn't like.

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Speaker 5: This is Sports Center? Wait check that not anymore. This

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Speaker 5: is Countdown with Keith Ulberman.

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Speaker 1: And as I said, I'm screwing with the format today

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Speaker 1: because something really pissed me off from sports and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to need a little time to talk about it,

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Speaker 1: and you may or may not care. So our number

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Speaker 1: one story on the Countdown is Sportscenters Central Tonight. Do

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Speaker 1: you think Babe Ruth ever saw a slider question mark? Annually,

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Speaker 1: the now New York Times owned website The Athletic does

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Speaker 1: a survey of Major League Baseball players in which they

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Speaker 1: make the mistake of asking today's baseball players opinions and

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Speaker 1: questions and insights about the game today and about the

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Speaker 1: game in the past. And one thing has been certain

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Speaker 1: for the last well I've been a baseball fan since

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven, so since nineteen sixty seven, is that

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Speaker 1: today's baseball players know almost nothing about the past. And

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Speaker 1: I mean the twenty twenty four baseball players know nothing

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Speaker 1: about nineteen ninety four, as the nineteen ninety four players

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Speaker 1: knew nothing about nineteen seventy four, and as I presume

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Speaker 1: the nineteen twenty four players knew nothing about eighteen eight.

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Speaker 1: They just think they live in a vacuum every generation.

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Speaker 1: I had a conversation not long ago with a baseball

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Speaker 1: play by play man, and I asked him. Actually, I

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Speaker 1: posited to him that it seemed to me that there

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Speaker 1: were only two or three guys, maybe four, on every

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Speaker 1: team that could actually play baseball, That the rest of

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Speaker 1: them were hitters or pitchers who really didn't know what

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Speaker 1: they were supposed to do strategically at a given moment,

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Speaker 1: whether they should swing on a certain count or not,

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Speaker 1: what base they should throw to, where they should go

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Speaker 1: to in a rundown play, that they didn't know the

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Speaker 1: essence of baseball as it used to be taught. And

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Speaker 1: he went, there's not that many. It's probably one or two.

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Speaker 1: In any event, The Athletic asked baseball players many different

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Speaker 1: topics and asked them one thing in particular, what about

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Speaker 1: the criticisms of today's game by recent former Major leaguers. Hell,

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Speaker 1: you should read this article just to see how highly

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Speaker 1: today's players think of themselves and how nobody appreciates them,

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Speaker 1: and how they don't get the credit for playing in

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Speaker 1: the most difficult game that has ever been called baseball,

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Speaker 1: That nobody ever looks out for what they need, that

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Speaker 1: they don't get what they deserve. Despite the seven hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollar contract that show hey Otani got and the

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Speaker 1: freedom to play basically anywhere they want to from one

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Speaker 1: year to the next end coaching staffs that are now

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Speaker 1: who twenty twenty five guys per team trying to help you,

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Speaker 1: and all the video in the world and computers and

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Speaker 1: all the rest of that. But it all boils down

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Speaker 1: to that one quote I started with, essentially the comments

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Speaker 1: from about seventy five players or so who were willing

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Speaker 1: to criticize baseball as it used to be. And they're

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Speaker 1: not talking about nineteen sixty seven. They're talking about twenty

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Speaker 1: ten baseball players. These seventy five or so all had

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Speaker 1: the basic same argument. No player from the past could

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Speaker 1: exist in today's game, or almost no player from the past.

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Speaker 1: And this is one thing that has changed appreciably. Players

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Speaker 1: in the past used to think of themselves as the

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Speaker 1: culmination of a series of evolutions, that the game had

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Speaker 1: gotten greater, and therefore they had gotten greater, and their

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Speaker 1: physicality had gotten greater, et cetera, et cetera. It's not

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Speaker 1: like that. Reading this article, it's all about how today's

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Speaker 1: baseball players would if they put together an all star

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Speaker 1: team against yesterday's great players, they'd come to bat once

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Speaker 1: and they would never ever end the game. Because today's

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Speaker 1: baseball players would never make it out because they're perfect.

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Speaker 1: This is what they have been taught. And we can

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Speaker 1: talk about what this means in terms of society and

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Speaker 1: entitlement and reading your own newspaper clippings and all the

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Speaker 1: rest of that, but I'll spare that. I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: that the article will make you in raged. And unfortunately

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Speaker 1: it's not just baseball, every sport except probably the National

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Speaker 1: Hockey League. The players pretty much think that the guys

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Speaker 1: before them were idiots who just happened to stumble around

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Speaker 1: and set all these records and win all these championships.

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Speaker 1: But there was one quote in there about how difficult

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Speaker 1: it is to face pitching today, and the quote was,

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Speaker 1: do you think Babe Ruth ever saw a slider? And

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Speaker 1: the answer is, you goddamn righty saw slider. The slider

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Speaker 1: was put into use by the great Philadelphia Athletics Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame pitcher Charles Bender, native American from Minnesota, who

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Speaker 1: debuted I believe in the year nineteen hundred and three.

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Speaker 1: It was later perfected in the twenties by another pitcher

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Speaker 1: named George Blaholder. But the slider that pitch with that

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Speaker 1: motion was well known in Major League baseball long before

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Speaker 1: Babe Ruth came to the major leagues in nineteen fourteen.

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Speaker 1: And any time that you hear somebody invoked Babe Ruth

643
00:46:04,915 --> 00:46:08,435
Speaker 1: and dismiss him, well, he only played against white pitching. Well,

644
00:46:08,435 --> 00:46:12,355
Speaker 1: he also only played against like one hundred different pitchers. Nominally,

645
00:46:12,635 --> 00:46:15,955
Speaker 1: he was facing one of the two hundred best baseball

646
00:46:15,995 --> 00:46:20,995
Speaker 1: pitchers of all time. And yes, maybe that number was limited,

647
00:46:21,395 --> 00:46:25,195
Speaker 1: and half of what should have been the two hundred

648
00:46:25,195 --> 00:46:28,155
Speaker 1: best baseball pitchers of his time were segregated out of

649
00:46:28,195 --> 00:46:30,595
Speaker 1: the game. So let's say he should have faced one

650
00:46:30,635 --> 00:46:32,995
Speaker 1: of the top four hundred pitchers every day when he

651
00:46:33,035 --> 00:46:36,155
Speaker 1: played in Major League baseball. Well, today, that's like a

652
00:46:36,275 --> 00:46:39,515
Speaker 1: thousand pitchers are active. At any one point. Any hitter

653
00:46:39,595 --> 00:46:44,115
Speaker 1: goes to the plate facing one of the thousand, let's

654
00:46:44,115 --> 00:46:46,795
Speaker 1: be conservative, just the healthy ones, maybe the best six

655
00:46:46,995 --> 00:46:49,355
Speaker 1: hundred active pitchers in the game, as opposed to the

656
00:46:49,395 --> 00:46:51,875
Speaker 1: four hundred or the two hundred or the one hundred

657
00:46:51,875 --> 00:46:54,875
Speaker 1: that Babe Ruth faced. But I'm getting very very far

658
00:46:54,995 --> 00:46:57,355
Speaker 1: into the weeds and the woods here. This is much

659
00:46:57,395 --> 00:47:00,515
Speaker 1: simpler than I'm making it out to be. Every time

660
00:47:00,595 --> 00:47:03,955
Speaker 1: somebody invokes Babe Ruth, as happened yesterday in the Athletic

661
00:47:04,955 --> 00:47:09,155
Speaker 1: back to December of twenty eighteen, when Adam Ottavino, who

662
00:47:09,195 --> 00:47:11,955
Speaker 1: is a relief pitcher who has experienced moderate success in

663
00:47:11,955 --> 00:47:14,515
Speaker 1: the major leagues for many years and is now with

664
00:47:14,675 --> 00:47:17,035
Speaker 1: the team that is the home of moderate success, the

665
00:47:17,075 --> 00:47:21,035
Speaker 1: New York Mets. Adam Ottavino told a podcast that if

666
00:47:21,035 --> 00:47:24,915
Speaker 1: he faced Babe Ruth, he would strike him out. Every time.

667
00:47:25,755 --> 00:47:29,115
Speaker 1: Babe Ruth would not make contact against him, he would

668
00:47:29,155 --> 00:47:34,235
Speaker 1: strike him out every time. This, I think, still to

669
00:47:34,315 --> 00:47:38,915
Speaker 1: this day, summarizes the attitude of the modern player about

670
00:47:38,955 --> 00:47:44,835
Speaker 1: the past in baseball, and it's also moronic. Adam Otavino

671
00:47:44,955 --> 00:47:48,835
Speaker 1: is a smart guy, well respected among his teammates, pleasant

672
00:47:48,875 --> 00:47:51,675
Speaker 1: with the media, and could not be more wrong about

673
00:47:51,715 --> 00:47:54,755
Speaker 1: this because he has not considered anything other than what

674
00:47:54,955 --> 00:47:58,435
Speaker 1: he knows of baseball, and he has projected himself back

675
00:47:58,555 --> 00:48:01,195
Speaker 1: into its history and said, look how much bigger and

676
00:48:01,195 --> 00:48:03,795
Speaker 1: stronger I am. Therefore, I would strike him out every

677
00:48:03,835 --> 00:48:09,595
Speaker 1: time I throw pitches he's never seen before. I cannot stop,

678
00:48:09,675 --> 00:48:12,635
Speaker 1: and since December of twenty eighteen, I have not stopped

679
00:48:12,635 --> 00:48:18,635
Speaker 1: thinking about this hypothetical theoretical transcendent somewhere in outer space

680
00:48:18,715 --> 00:48:23,115
Speaker 1: without time, matchup between Adam Adavino and Babe Ruth or

681
00:48:23,155 --> 00:48:25,555
Speaker 1: whoever it was the anonymous player who was quoted in

682
00:48:25,595 --> 00:48:28,315
Speaker 1: The Athletic Yesterday saying, do you think Babe Ruth ever

683
00:48:28,355 --> 00:48:36,075
Speaker 1: saw a slider? Yeah? Probably once every game. Obviously the

684
00:48:36,115 --> 00:48:39,635
Speaker 1: matchup could never happen. Babe Ruth died in nineteen forty eight.

685
00:48:39,955 --> 00:48:43,315
Speaker 1: He retired from baseball in nineteen thirty five. He was

686
00:48:43,355 --> 00:48:46,155
Speaker 1: born in eighteen ninety four, meaning if he came back

687
00:48:46,235 --> 00:48:50,115
Speaker 1: somehow from the dead and played today, he'd be one

688
00:48:50,195 --> 00:48:52,475
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty years old. I don't think he could

689
00:48:52,475 --> 00:48:54,955
Speaker 1: get around on Adam Ottavito's slider. I don't think he

690
00:48:54,995 --> 00:48:58,355
Speaker 1: could get around on my slider. But let's make this

691
00:48:58,555 --> 00:49:02,475
Speaker 1: increasingly fair. The point of what Adam Adavino said was,

692
00:49:02,795 --> 00:49:06,475
Speaker 1: I suppose at Otdavino's prime and at Babe Ruth's prime,

693
00:49:06,675 --> 00:49:09,115
Speaker 1: out of Vino thinks he would strike him out every time.

694
00:49:09,835 --> 00:49:12,715
Speaker 1: So in theory, you'd have to have this matchup somewhere.

695
00:49:12,715 --> 00:49:15,395
Speaker 1: You couldn't just pluck these two guys out of their

696
00:49:15,475 --> 00:49:20,555
Speaker 1: existences and put them in a timeless white space in

697
00:49:20,595 --> 00:49:23,155
Speaker 1: which the best Adam out of Vino, with all of

698
00:49:23,195 --> 00:49:26,555
Speaker 1: his advantages, would face the best Babe Ruth with only

699
00:49:26,595 --> 00:49:31,275
Speaker 1: the advantages of his lifetime. Of course, that would happen

700
00:49:31,315 --> 00:49:33,155
Speaker 1: the way he thinks it would. He would strike him

701
00:49:33,155 --> 00:49:35,475
Speaker 1: out every time, at least the first few times until

702
00:49:35,555 --> 00:49:38,395
Speaker 1: Ruth tried to adjust to him. But it wouldn't happen

703
00:49:38,435 --> 00:49:41,675
Speaker 1: that way. Even in the wildest theory of time travel

704
00:49:41,715 --> 00:49:45,475
Speaker 1: in space, you got to travel to some time. So

705
00:49:45,555 --> 00:49:47,555
Speaker 1: where do you play it? Is it a home or

706
00:49:47,595 --> 00:49:51,035
Speaker 1: a road game? For Adam out of Vino? Is it

707
00:49:51,155 --> 00:49:54,915
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty seven? Is it Babe Ruth's prime? Babe Ruth

708
00:49:54,955 --> 00:50:01,035
Speaker 1: as he was a little portly but surprisingly nimble, big belly,

709
00:50:01,555 --> 00:50:06,075
Speaker 1: big shoulders, unbelievably fast, hands as fast as Henry Aaron

710
00:50:06,115 --> 00:50:08,435
Speaker 1: according to those who saw them, both as fast as

711
00:50:08,475 --> 00:50:13,315
Speaker 1: any player today, and tiny little legs, unexpected speed and grace,

712
00:50:15,315 --> 00:50:17,875
Speaker 1: and more importantly, in nineteen twenty seven, Babe Ruth hit

713
00:50:17,915 --> 00:50:20,915
Speaker 1: sixty home runs, and no other team in the American

714
00:50:20,995 --> 00:50:23,835
Speaker 1: League hit more than fifty six home runs. No other

715
00:50:23,915 --> 00:50:27,635
Speaker 1: complete team came close to his individual performance in home

716
00:50:27,715 --> 00:50:31,875
Speaker 1: runs for the equivalent impact, how many more home runs

717
00:50:31,915 --> 00:50:35,195
Speaker 1: he hit than everybody else last year? There would have

718
00:50:35,195 --> 00:50:37,155
Speaker 1: had to have been in twenty twenty three, a major

719
00:50:37,235 --> 00:50:40,835
Speaker 1: league baseball player who hit himself two hundred and fifty

720
00:50:40,915 --> 00:50:44,835
Speaker 1: five home runs. That's how better than everybody else, Babe

721
00:50:44,875 --> 00:50:50,155
Speaker 1: Ruth was in nineteen twenty seven. But also, what about

722
00:50:50,155 --> 00:50:52,595
Speaker 1: the ballparks you're playing in nineteen twenty seven? Where did

723
00:50:52,635 --> 00:50:56,515
Speaker 1: he hit these? Down the left field line at Yankee Stadium,

724
00:50:56,555 --> 00:50:59,315
Speaker 1: and Ruth was a left hand hitter, was two hundred

725
00:50:59,355 --> 00:51:01,675
Speaker 1: and eighty one feet down the right field line. It

726
00:51:01,675 --> 00:51:05,115
Speaker 1: was two hundred and ninety five feet, tiny distances even

727
00:51:05,195 --> 00:51:08,075
Speaker 1: then on the other hand, in center field it was

728
00:51:08,235 --> 00:51:11,195
Speaker 1: four hundred and ninety feet to the bleachers in center field.

729
00:51:12,155 --> 00:51:14,995
Speaker 1: Any major league hitter who came into a ballpark in

730
00:51:15,035 --> 00:51:17,595
Speaker 1: which centerfield was four hundred and ninety feet away, they

731
00:51:17,595 --> 00:51:22,275
Speaker 1: would leave. They would go on strike. Center fields now

732
00:51:22,315 --> 00:51:24,075
Speaker 1: are not four hundred and ninety feet but closer to

733
00:51:24,075 --> 00:51:25,995
Speaker 1: four hundred and nine feet, And we're not even going

734
00:51:26,035 --> 00:51:28,915
Speaker 1: to talk about the power alleys and everything else. The

735
00:51:28,955 --> 00:51:33,275
Speaker 1: ballparks of nineteen twenty seven were gigantic, except if you

736
00:51:33,395 --> 00:51:36,715
Speaker 1: pulled the ball right to the foul pole. Because Yankee

737
00:51:36,755 --> 00:51:39,355
Speaker 1: Stadium two hundred and ninety five feet right down the

738
00:51:39,395 --> 00:51:43,035
Speaker 1: line there for Babe Ruth's home runs, then jutted out

739
00:51:43,035 --> 00:51:45,915
Speaker 1: to about three twenty almost immediately, and then gradually out

740
00:51:45,915 --> 00:51:49,635
Speaker 1: to four hundred and ninety feet in right center field

741
00:51:49,635 --> 00:51:54,955
Speaker 1: and center field. The other thing about hitting in nineteen

742
00:51:55,035 --> 00:51:58,395
Speaker 1: twenty seven, you did not get a new, fresh, clean,

743
00:51:58,515 --> 00:52:02,755
Speaker 1: easy to see baseball every pitch. Sometimes a game could

744
00:52:02,795 --> 00:52:06,675
Speaker 1: be played with less than twenty baseballs in And yes

745
00:52:06,715 --> 00:52:09,915
Speaker 1: it's true, as autom Altavino pointed out, Babe Ruth did

746
00:52:09,955 --> 00:52:13,915
Speaker 1: not see any of today's exotic pitchers and their exotic

747
00:52:13,995 --> 00:52:16,435
Speaker 1: movements and the pitches that they threw. No, he just

748
00:52:16,475 --> 00:52:21,875
Speaker 1: saw spit balls, shine balls, emery balls, balls that had

749
00:52:22,875 --> 00:52:26,755
Speaker 1: gouges taken out of them by ballplayers, rings, balls that

750
00:52:26,795 --> 00:52:29,915
Speaker 1: had been in use for several innings and were lopsided,

751
00:52:31,075 --> 00:52:33,715
Speaker 1: balls that were not stitched properly to begin with and

752
00:52:33,755 --> 00:52:37,075
Speaker 1: came apart when you hit them. The other thing that

753
00:52:37,115 --> 00:52:39,715
Speaker 1: I always think about that modern players don't think about

754
00:52:39,915 --> 00:52:44,475
Speaker 1: is Babe Ruth saw each pitcher live, and that was it.

755
00:52:46,035 --> 00:52:51,115
Speaker 1: Today's batters can study every pitch the opposing pitcher, every

756
00:52:51,155 --> 00:52:55,715
Speaker 1: opposing pitcher has ever thrown, ever thrown as recently as

757
00:52:55,755 --> 00:52:59,275
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties and nineties. Tony Gwinn, my late friend

758
00:52:59,315 --> 00:53:01,675
Speaker 1: of the San Diego Padres, used to go looked at

759
00:53:01,715 --> 00:53:04,595
Speaker 1: funny by his teammates because he was studying videotape of

760
00:53:04,795 --> 00:53:07,035
Speaker 1: the pictures. What good does that do? How does that

761
00:53:07,115 --> 00:53:11,555
Speaker 1: help you guess what? They didn't have videotape of all

762
00:53:11,595 --> 00:53:13,595
Speaker 1: the other pictures in nineteen twenty seven. They didn't have

763
00:53:13,675 --> 00:53:16,195
Speaker 1: still pictures of most of the pictures in action in

764
00:53:16,275 --> 00:53:19,435
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty seven. You couldn't tell what another picture threw.

765
00:53:19,875 --> 00:53:23,435
Speaker 1: You had a reputation, You had your own memory. Maybe

766
00:53:23,475 --> 00:53:26,235
Speaker 1: like many players did, you wrote down what you saw

767
00:53:26,635 --> 00:53:28,435
Speaker 1: as it happened, so you'd have a fresh memory the

768
00:53:28,475 --> 00:53:32,595
Speaker 1: next time you saw the guy in Saint Louis in August,

769
00:53:32,675 --> 00:53:34,355
Speaker 1: when it was ninety five degrees and you were playing

770
00:53:34,395 --> 00:53:38,475
Speaker 1: at one thirty in the afternoon. Baby Ruth had no gym.

771
00:53:38,995 --> 00:53:42,475
Speaker 1: Bab Ruth did not work out. Nobody really had understood

772
00:53:42,515 --> 00:53:46,395
Speaker 1: the relationship between staying in shape and hitting home runs,

773
00:53:46,475 --> 00:53:50,315
Speaker 1: or hitting or pitching or anything else. On the other hand,

774
00:53:50,355 --> 00:53:52,355
Speaker 1: if you're playing this game in nineteen twenty seven, it

775
00:53:52,355 --> 00:53:55,835
Speaker 1: would seem that almost all the advantages the gigantic ballparks,

776
00:53:56,755 --> 00:54:00,595
Speaker 1: no video, no gym. That would favor Adam out of Vino,

777
00:54:00,675 --> 00:54:02,155
Speaker 1: And I'm sure it would for the first couple of

778
00:54:02,155 --> 00:54:06,235
Speaker 1: it bats. But here's something else. If you transported any

779
00:54:06,275 --> 00:54:09,035
Speaker 1: major league ball player of twenty twenty four back to

780
00:54:09,075 --> 00:54:13,635
Speaker 1: the year nineteen twenty seven, he would feel like Robinson Crusoe,

781
00:54:13,755 --> 00:54:17,995
Speaker 1: washed up on the desert island. He has no assistance

782
00:54:18,035 --> 00:54:21,875
Speaker 1: of any kind. A major league baseball team consisted of

783
00:54:22,235 --> 00:54:26,715
Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty four or twenty five players, the manager, and,

784
00:54:26,955 --> 00:54:30,675
Speaker 1: if you were lucky, two coaches, both of whom were

785
00:54:30,755 --> 00:54:34,115
Speaker 1: there basically to go drinking with the manager after the game.

786
00:54:34,795 --> 00:54:37,355
Speaker 1: I researched this when I was a kid. The first

787
00:54:37,395 --> 00:54:40,315
Speaker 1: book I ever published, in nineteen seventy four, when I

788
00:54:40,355 --> 00:54:43,595
Speaker 1: was fifteen years old, was about the major league coaches.

789
00:54:43,635 --> 00:54:45,475
Speaker 1: It was a list of major league coaches, and it

790
00:54:45,515 --> 00:54:47,595
Speaker 1: was the greatest shock of my life to that point.

791
00:54:47,835 --> 00:54:51,235
Speaker 1: In nineteen twenty seven, there were sixteen teams, and the

792
00:54:51,275 --> 00:54:55,555
Speaker 1: sixteen teams had twenty eight coaches among them. Five of

793
00:54:55,595 --> 00:54:59,555
Speaker 1: these guys were either former pitchers or catchers. There were

794
00:54:59,675 --> 00:55:04,195
Speaker 1: five pitching coaches. So Adam Ottavino, if you go back

795
00:55:04,195 --> 00:55:07,155
Speaker 1: to Facebook bab in nineteen twenty seven. You are on

796
00:55:07,195 --> 00:55:12,075
Speaker 1: your own. You don't have video of him either. Also,

797
00:55:12,115 --> 00:55:16,395
Speaker 1: there are no night games. Now to some pitchers, night

798
00:55:16,435 --> 00:55:18,875
Speaker 1: games and day games make no difference whatsoever. But the

799
00:55:18,915 --> 00:55:22,315
Speaker 1: point is there are no night games. And most importantly

800
00:55:22,315 --> 00:55:24,915
Speaker 1: for somebody like Ottavino, who was a very good pitcher,

801
00:55:26,755 --> 00:55:29,635
Speaker 1: there are no good relief pitchers. Maybe there's one or two.

802
00:55:29,955 --> 00:55:33,035
Speaker 1: Furpo Marberry of the Washington Senators would come in and

803
00:55:33,235 --> 00:55:37,955
Speaker 1: work in relief almost exclusively, but there really weren't relief pitchers.

804
00:55:37,955 --> 00:55:39,915
Speaker 1: If you were a good pitcher, you had to start,

805
00:55:40,155 --> 00:55:42,915
Speaker 1: and you had to start every fourth day. So Adam

806
00:55:42,955 --> 00:55:45,675
Speaker 1: Ottavino is not pitching an inning or two in which

807
00:55:45,675 --> 00:55:49,275
Speaker 1: he would face Babe Ruth once or twice, maybe over

808
00:55:49,315 --> 00:55:53,035
Speaker 1: the course of one game, and might face him again

809
00:55:53,075 --> 00:55:55,195
Speaker 1: a few weeks later, so that when he faced him

810
00:55:55,275 --> 00:55:58,195
Speaker 1: seven times in one season, yes, maybe he would strike

811
00:55:58,275 --> 00:56:00,275
Speaker 1: him out seven times. There was a picture named hub

812
00:56:00,315 --> 00:56:04,035
Speaker 1: Prewitt who managed to strike out Babe Ruth repeatedly and

813
00:56:04,075 --> 00:56:06,835
Speaker 1: got almost nobody else out. That was his whole reputation,

814
00:56:06,995 --> 00:56:11,115
Speaker 1: the man who got Ruth out. But Ottavino would not

815
00:56:11,275 --> 00:56:14,675
Speaker 1: have the luxury of only facing Ruth seven times, he'd

816
00:56:14,675 --> 00:56:16,435
Speaker 1: have to face him four times in a game, because

817
00:56:16,515 --> 00:56:18,915
Speaker 1: not only would they make him into a starting pitcher,

818
00:56:19,155 --> 00:56:21,635
Speaker 1: but the likelihood of him being relieved at any point

819
00:56:21,675 --> 00:56:24,035
Speaker 1: during the game is almost zero. You go out there

820
00:56:24,075 --> 00:56:26,195
Speaker 1: and throw your two hundred pitches at him, and then

821
00:56:26,195 --> 00:56:28,195
Speaker 1: we'll see you in four days again. And by the way,

822
00:56:28,235 --> 00:56:30,475
Speaker 1: you'll see the Yankees again in no more than a

823
00:56:30,475 --> 00:56:32,515
Speaker 1: month's time, because there are only seven other teams in

824
00:56:32,555 --> 00:56:35,355
Speaker 1: the league, and you play each other in a balanced schedule,

825
00:56:35,435 --> 00:56:40,155
Speaker 1: none of this interleague crap. So that's nineteen twenty seven.

826
00:56:41,195 --> 00:56:43,675
Speaker 1: What if you brought Babe Ruth. Do you think Babe

827
00:56:43,755 --> 00:56:47,195
Speaker 1: Ruth ever saw a slider? Yeah, he probably saw. He

828
00:56:47,235 --> 00:56:49,835
Speaker 1: saw a slider and all those spitball pitches and the

829
00:56:49,875 --> 00:56:51,635
Speaker 1: other things. And by the way, he wasn't wearing a

830
00:56:51,675 --> 00:56:54,195
Speaker 1: batting helmet for any of this, nor any armor on

831
00:56:54,275 --> 00:56:59,635
Speaker 1: his arms, nor any protection of any kind. So let's

832
00:56:59,635 --> 00:57:03,355
Speaker 1: bring it to twenty twenty four, and Adam Ottavino is

833
00:57:03,475 --> 00:57:06,395
Speaker 1: as he is, and Babe Ruth is the stranger arriving

834
00:57:06,435 --> 00:57:08,835
Speaker 1: in a new world. Well, the first thing that Babe

835
00:57:08,875 --> 00:57:12,315
Speaker 1: Ruth finds out is sho hey Otani signed a contract

836
00:57:12,355 --> 00:57:15,275
Speaker 1: last winter for seven hundred million dollars for ten years.

837
00:57:15,675 --> 00:57:18,435
Speaker 1: And even when the calculations are shown to Babe Ruth

838
00:57:18,555 --> 00:57:21,115
Speaker 1: as to what that means in nineteen twenty seven dollars,

839
00:57:21,315 --> 00:57:25,675
Speaker 1: Babe Ruth is going to say, Holy spit, and he's

840
00:57:25,715 --> 00:57:27,635
Speaker 1: going to go right to the gym and start working

841
00:57:27,635 --> 00:57:30,595
Speaker 1: out in the hopes of playing until he's forty five

842
00:57:30,675 --> 00:57:34,715
Speaker 1: years old, rather than retiring forcibly at the age of

843
00:57:35,155 --> 00:57:38,435
Speaker 1: about forty. That's the first thing he's going to see.

844
00:57:38,475 --> 00:57:41,275
Speaker 1: He might actually begin to take care of himself. And

845
00:57:41,555 --> 00:57:45,035
Speaker 1: if he doesn't think of that himself, he has six

846
00:57:45,155 --> 00:57:47,835
Speaker 1: hitting coaches and twelve assistant hitting coaches and all the

847
00:57:47,915 --> 00:57:50,275
Speaker 1: videotape he could ever want to look at at Adam

848
00:57:50,275 --> 00:57:52,755
Speaker 1: out of you know, And if he can't really perceive

849
00:57:52,835 --> 00:57:56,795
Speaker 1: what videotape is, there's of course a videotape coach to

850
00:57:56,835 --> 00:57:59,635
Speaker 1: show it to him. And then he goes to the

851
00:57:59,675 --> 00:58:03,675
Speaker 1: ballpark and says, where's the rest of it? Tiny ballparks,

852
00:58:05,155 --> 00:58:07,835
Speaker 1: centerfield to Yankee Stadium is not four hundred and ninety feet.

853
00:58:08,715 --> 00:58:13,075
Speaker 1: Center field in some ballparks is pushing three ninety nine,

854
00:58:13,195 --> 00:58:16,875
Speaker 1: not quite four hundred feet. Babe Ruth averaged at the

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Speaker 1: peak ten year stretch of his career ten triples a

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Speaker 1: year in smaller ballparks, just slightly smaller ballparks. By nineteen

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Speaker 1: twenty seven standards, he would have hit seventy home runs

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Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty seven, not sixty. Now, suddenly center field,

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Speaker 1: to which players regularly hit home runs, is available to him.

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Speaker 1: The only home runs hit to center field before about

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty were inside the park home runs. Babe Ruth

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Speaker 1: could now take an adam out of eno pitch, a

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Speaker 1: slider or something else and put it over the freaking

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Speaker 1: center field fence in any ballpark in the major leagues.

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Speaker 1: Remember what I mentioned earlier that the equivalent of what

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Speaker 1: Ruth did compared to the rest of the league in

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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty seven would require somebody to hit two hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty five home runs this year. He might do

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Speaker 1: it also in terms of longevity. In addition to all

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Speaker 1: of the athletic facilities available to him to get in

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00:59:10,915 --> 00:59:14,795
Speaker 1: shape and stay in shape, there are trainers, multiple trainers.

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00:59:15,635 --> 00:59:18,835
Speaker 1: There are workout rooms. There are doctors. There are team doctors.

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Speaker 1: They didn't have team doctors in nineteen twenty seven. They

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Speaker 1: didn't have padded fences in nineteen twenty seven. They didn't

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Speaker 1: have the designated hitter in nineteen twenty seven, where Ruth,

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Speaker 1: if he was tired or hungover or had spent the

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Speaker 1: last three days without sleeping because he was chasing girls,

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00:59:36,395 --> 00:59:38,475
Speaker 1: could be the designated hitter and not have to worry

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Speaker 1: about playing the outfield or though if he played the

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Speaker 1: outfield he had those fences had padding on them today

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Speaker 1: and they did not in nineteen twenty seven, So if

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Speaker 1: he ran into the outfield fences he did on many occasions,

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Speaker 1: there are pictures of him laid out cold on the

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Speaker 1: ground with all his teammates standing around waiting for him

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00:59:56,355 --> 01:00:01,715
Speaker 1: to come to That would never happen. And as I

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Speaker 1: mentioned before, again, what are you facing today as the

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01:00:06,275 --> 01:00:08,715
Speaker 1: average hitter going to the plate in the average Major

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Speaker 1: League game against random pitcher number five hundred and thirty two.

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Speaker 1: Because baseball is nearly twice as big as it was

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Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty seven, there are automatically going to be

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01:00:20,635 --> 01:00:24,515
Speaker 1: twice as many pitchers, plus their longevity and their ability

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01:00:24,555 --> 01:00:27,355
Speaker 1: to get through a season is half of what it

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01:00:27,475 --> 01:00:30,275
Speaker 1: was at best compared to nineteen twenty seven. There are

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Speaker 1: literally at any point in the game, six hundred or

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01:00:34,035 --> 01:00:37,515
Speaker 1: so active pitchers rotating around from team to team sometimes

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01:00:37,555 --> 01:00:39,755
Speaker 1: and from the majors to the minor leagues. So you

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01:00:39,795 --> 01:00:42,795
Speaker 1: are facing any one of six hundred different pitchers, whereas

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01:00:42,795 --> 01:00:46,755
Speaker 1: Babe Ruth went through his career facing really just the

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Speaker 1: American League pitchers, maybe just one of the best one

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01:00:49,555 --> 01:00:51,635
Speaker 1: hundred pitchers in the world, and now one of the

901
01:00:51,635 --> 01:00:55,235
Speaker 1: best six hundred pitchers in the world. The average pitcher

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01:00:55,275 --> 01:00:57,955
Speaker 1: he's going to face today is not as good as

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01:00:57,995 --> 01:01:00,555
Speaker 1: the average pitcher he would have faced in nineteen twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: So here's the gist of it. I think, having watched

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Speaker 1: this game and the other games all this time, and

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01:01:07,955 --> 01:01:12,195
Speaker 1: having remembering flashing back to a conversation I had on

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01:01:12,595 --> 01:01:16,075
Speaker 1: ESPN two in October nineteen ninety three with my co

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01:01:16,195 --> 01:01:19,795
Speaker 1: host Susie Calber about Wayne Gretzky and Gordie Howe, and

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01:01:19,915 --> 01:01:21,715
Speaker 1: she looking at me and going, well, of course, Wayne

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Speaker 1: Gretzky's better. He's of today. All of today's athletes are

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01:01:25,235 --> 01:01:28,715
Speaker 1: better than they were in nineteen fifty three, and now

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Speaker 1: Wayne Gretzky is dismissed because he's not as big as

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Speaker 1: the ones who play in twenty twenty four. Every generation

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01:01:35,155 --> 01:01:38,475
Speaker 1: does this, Well, they're much better today. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that that's true. You'd really have to have Babe Ruth

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Speaker 1: face Adam Outavino to see whether or not Adam Oudavino

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01:01:44,675 --> 01:01:46,715
Speaker 1: would strike him out or Babe Ruth would hit a

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Speaker 1: home run seven hundred and eighty five feet off Adam Outavino.

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Speaker 1: That is the point of playing the game. That is

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Speaker 1: the one thing that does not change, and the idea

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01:01:56,155 --> 01:01:59,955
Speaker 1: that today's players dismiss their predecessors. It occurs to me

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Speaker 1: in the Baseball documentary by Ken Burns, there is a

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Speaker 1: player quoted about how they don't play it as good

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01:02:05,355 --> 01:02:07,835
Speaker 1: as they used to in his day. His quotes are

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Speaker 1: from about eighteen seventy, and he's talking about baseball in

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Speaker 1: eighteen fifty five. The gist of this is that, as

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Speaker 1: in any generation, some sort of theoretical, magical conflict between

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Speaker 1: Adam Adavino and Babe Ruth on a field somewhere in

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Speaker 1: the sky would depend on who was better prepared, who

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01:02:31,355 --> 01:02:39,075
Speaker 1: had better access to training, better access to information, better

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Speaker 1: access to nutrition, better access to coaching, better access to

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Speaker 1: video of the opponent. Those are ninety five percent of

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Speaker 1: the improvements from one generation to the next and whatever

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01:02:54,555 --> 01:02:58,115
Speaker 1: is next in baseball or any other sport, when in

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01:02:58,195 --> 01:03:01,155
Speaker 1: twenty years from now people look back and go, well, yeah,

936
01:03:01,155 --> 01:03:05,155
Speaker 1: but he was hitting off people like Adam Otnovino, and

937
01:03:05,275 --> 01:03:08,875
Speaker 1: you know, Pete Alonzo was considered a great player. Show Hey,

938
01:03:08,875 --> 01:03:12,195
Speaker 1: Otani was the only two way player. Remember those dead

939
01:03:12,275 --> 01:03:15,475
Speaker 1: days in baseball in twenty twenty four. That's the one

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01:03:15,515 --> 01:03:20,635
Speaker 1: guarantee going forward, somebody else, sitting in some other podcast

941
01:03:21,155 --> 01:03:25,835
Speaker 1: will have these exact same complaints about Adam Ottavino the

942
01:03:25,915 --> 01:03:29,715
Speaker 1: seventh or whoever the player was who was quoted in

943
01:03:29,755 --> 01:03:33,275
Speaker 1: the Athletic as saying, do you think Babe Ruth ever

944
01:03:33,355 --> 01:03:37,275
Speaker 1: saw a slider? And someday somebody will say the equivalent

945
01:03:37,355 --> 01:03:42,555
Speaker 1: of this in some future search engine world. Did you

946
01:03:42,675 --> 01:03:59,835
Speaker 1: think about googling that before you asked that question? And

947
01:03:59,915 --> 01:04:04,235
Speaker 1: another thing about the goddamned eighteen ninety World Series and

948
01:04:04,275 --> 01:04:08,915
Speaker 1: how that and I got it next time, I've done

949
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Speaker 1: all the damage I can do here. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 1: Countdown musical directors Brian Ray and John Phillip Schaneil arranged,

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Speaker 1: produced and performed most of our music. Mister Ray was

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Speaker 1: on the guitars, bass and drums. Mister Shanelle handled orchestration

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Speaker 1: and keyboards. Was produced by Tko Brothers. Other music, including

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Speaker 1: some of the Beethoven compositions, arranged and performed by the

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Speaker 1: group No Horns Allowed. The sports music is the Old

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Speaker 1: Woman theme from ESPN two, written by Mitch Warren Davis

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Speaker 1: courtesy of ESPN Inc. Our satirical and pithy musical comments

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Speaker 1: and the organ accompany meant for the commercials in the

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Speaker 1: A Block by Nancy Fauss, the best baseball stadium organist ever,

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Speaker 1: and I work on a song for Jonathan Turley. Our

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Speaker 1: announcer was my friend Larry David, and everything else was

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Speaker 1: pretty much my fault. So that's countdown for this. The

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Speaker 1: one hundred and forty eighth day until the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four presidential election, the two hundred and fifty third day

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Speaker 1: since convicted felon Don Trump's first attempted coup against the

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Speaker 1: democratically elected government of the United States. Use the July

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Speaker 1: eleventh sentencing hearing for an elderly first time offender, Use

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01:05:16,075 --> 01:05:19,675
Speaker 1: the mental health system, use presidential immunity if it happens

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01:05:20,075 --> 01:05:26,795
Speaker 1: to stop him from doing it again. While we still can.

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Speaker 1: The next scheduled countdown is tomorrow. Bulletins is the news

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Speaker 1: warrants till then. I'm Keith Ulruman. Good morning, good afternoon,

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Speaker 1: good night, and good luck. Countdown with Keith Olderman is

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