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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of My Heart Radio. What's Up?

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Done? Sara and Burnett? You know I got a

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Speaker 1: question for you. You're ready, you know what's ridiculous? I

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Speaker 1: go first. Please know what what's ridiculous? Eighteen seventies everything

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Speaker 1: was ridiculous. In eighteen seventies in Belgium, they tried to

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Speaker 1: train domestic cats to deliver the mail. That that was

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Speaker 1: a frustrating exercise, is ridiculous. They put waterproof bags are

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Speaker 1: four hours. But here's the thing, like, how is that

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Speaker 1: going to deliver the mail? And if you're like I

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Speaker 1: I sent. Were they just like really impressed with St.

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Speaker 1: Bernard's and they're like, we got to expand this. Or

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Speaker 1: if I want to say to you a letter, I

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Speaker 1: go to your house, I steal your cat. I bring

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Speaker 1: That's pretty much how carrier pigeons worked. It's ridiculous. It

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Speaker 1: is straight up ridiculous. The cats part is the part

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Speaker 1: that I'm like, out of all the animals you have around,

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Speaker 1: bring the wild card in this, the ridiculous wild card.

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Speaker 1: So you you have something ridiculous? Oh girl, no, that's

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Speaker 1: a good the end. Thanks, This is a ridiculous guy.

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Speaker 1: It's been a podcast about It's a shorty. It's a

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Speaker 1: short week, super shorty. Bro. No, actually, I do have

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Speaker 1: one for you. Are you in the mood for the

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Speaker 1: story of a man who began career? Oh? Okay, well

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Speaker 1: protecting he's not a man, he is a Would you

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Speaker 1: like a story of a talking dog who began his

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Speaker 1: career in the nineteenth century, which apparently you're so fond of,

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Speaker 1: and back then he was robbing stagecoaches. He ended his

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Speaker 1: criminal career in the twentieth century. By then he had

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Speaker 1: moved on to robbing trains. Okay, it's changing. Technology didn't

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Speaker 1: really stop him, but he didn't really CanCERN himself with

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Speaker 1: all that, because his victim stayed the same. He had

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Speaker 1: the exact same person. He was tying the same person

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Speaker 1: over and over again. No, he was all about corporations.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to rob only corporations. He's a folk here

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Speaker 1: everyone should know about. I'm going to tell you a

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Speaker 1: story today. This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd

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Speaker 1: and outrageous capers. Heiss and cons. It's always murder free

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Speaker 1: and ridiculously calling the game today, isn't Yeah right, a

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Speaker 1: little a little fired up today, I want to tell

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Speaker 1: folk hero Bill Miner. Bill Miner, Yes, he was a man.

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Speaker 1: He was bound by a simple code. He had two rules,

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Speaker 1: just too. He never killed anyone, and he never robbed

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Speaker 1: like an American Robin Hood. Right, I've never killed anyone

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Speaker 1: you're basically a full cure outlaw. Yeah, so get on,

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Speaker 1: because he was a very effective one. How many times

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Speaker 1: have you been arrested? I don't want to talk about that. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: he spent almost half of his life behind bars. He

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Speaker 1: Now why was he so beloved. I've already told you this.

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Speaker 1: He only robbed from the corporations, never from the people.

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Speaker 1: So now, as I also told you, he didn't like

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what the dialogue in my head right now.

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Speaker 1: But listen, do you have a favorite folk hero outlaw, like,

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Speaker 1: of the folk. And then we have heroes. But now

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Speaker 1: He liked to wear a mustache over time. His mustache

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Speaker 1: boy energy right exactly, Now, dude is like got real lucky.

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Speaker 1: He was born in forty three in Kentucky. Now, if

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Speaker 1: about history. We're moving west. She took him all the

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Speaker 1: San Diego. Yeah, San Diego, and at that point, San

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Speaker 1: Diego is not a Navy town. There's no camp Pembla.

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Speaker 1: It's an interesting choice, a right, Yeah, but San Diego

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Speaker 1: black men. In so in Texas cowboy, if you're a white,

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Speaker 1: So that was the big difference. And that's why I

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Speaker 1: kind of prefer buckaroo for everybody. Bucker's fun sounding too, Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: it's a fun word. Sound ready. So to give you

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Speaker 1: a sense of Bill Miner, let's turn to the man

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Speaker 1: himself with a quote about his upbringing and quote, Yes,

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Speaker 1: My hands hurt? How much for a gun? So now

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Speaker 1: he first stars in California as it's all, becomes a

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Speaker 1: That was his turn, Torr, what do you do for

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Speaker 1: a living? I'm a bull whacker? Oh, sorry to hear that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to the next station, what the bandit to rob them

420
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 1: look like. Because Bill miner Alkohol, I gm a charge

421
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,400
Speaker 1: the Cooper. They didn't bother themselves any bandanas or disguises.

422
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 1: They're like, look at my face, I'm the one robbing you.

423
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 1: So this was a mistake. Times were changing fast. They

424
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 1: had something called the telegraph. They were able to wire

425
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: or head their description to all these different towns. Right,

426
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 1: So what that means is they now have heat on

427
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 1: them in every surrounding area. So they decided, okay, we

428
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 1: gotta lay low. After they run into the first town

429
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: where people are like shishing and talking about them, like

430
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: these people seemed to know stuff about us. So they

431
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: go and they hide out, but not old Charlie Cooper.

432
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: Charlie Cooper is like, I got a big school. I

433
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 1: gotta go spend his money, buying a whole in my pocket.

434
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 1: So he's a problem. Yeah, he goes to town eager

435
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 1: to spend and he's liked, Sacramento ain't nothing. I'm going

436
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 1: down to San Francisco. I need to get me some

437
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: action gets down to Charlie. Charlie Cooper gets out of

438
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: San Francisco and he's looking like every inch of somebody

439
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: who's escape Gold Country. And he has also interestingly has

440
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: the country's possibly thousands of dollars of gold dust. People

441
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 1: are like, this is incongruent. So it doesn't take long

442
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: for the San Francisco cops to catch win to him

443
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: and they arrest him. They talked to him about where

444
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: you got all this gold dust. He immediately goes, you

445
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: need to meet my friend Bill Miner and Accola Gym.

446
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: I can tell you right where they find Damn, the

447
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 1: law shows up back in gold country and they're Bill

448
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: Minor is hanging out with al Kalai Gym and they

449
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: see the law creeping up on him. There's nothing they

450
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: can do. They can't get away. Both men are arrested, tried, convicted,

451
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 1: and sentenced to twenty five years in San Quentin. Wow,

452
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: Now did they wear jackets with their names embroidered on him?

453
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: So that like they come they're like, where's Bill Miner

454
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: and Alkali Jim and they're sitting in a bar in

455
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: the back has like, well those guys have that on there. No,

456
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: but when they did get to San Quentin, they got

457
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: these little outfits with numbers on them, so they had

458
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 1: that to look forward to. So he gets released on

459
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: good behavior. So this is you know he's inside for

460
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: a little while, but not terribly long. Ten days later,

461
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: it's the fourth of July, he decides, you know what,

462
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this life of crime behind me and

463
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: see if I can go the honest way. He goes

464
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: up to Oregon to live with his sister, woman named

465
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: Mary Jane Wellman. Now Mary Jane's married, she's got a

466
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: huband who's pretty much a straight shooter. And he's like, oh,

467
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: I get you a job, you know, welcome to town, Bill,

468
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: And so he's like, you ever gathered oysters? Like gather

469
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: oysters we're talking about. Yeah, we go down to the

470
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: mud and our waiters and we gather up all these oysters.

471
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: Like that sounds a lot like work. It's like, oh,

472
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 1: it is. It is tiring, It is exhausting. You gotta

473
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: get up early and slogged through mud to get this

474
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,479
Speaker 1: this rocky seafood thing. He's like, yeah, okay, yeah, let's

475
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: try that. He goes out there, does like a day,

476
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: maybe two days of work. On the third day, he

477
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: goes and robs Yeah. Note he gets a strong box

478
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: loaded with twenty five thousand dollars in gold. He's back

479
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: at it. So he uses this money. He's like, you

480
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: know what, I'm not gonna get this money all the

481
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: way to the people this time. I mean, the people

482
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: need it, but I need to get out of America.

483
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: So he does that. He goes in. Three weeks later,

484
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: he's in Australia. Wow, yep, just gets a steamship, takes

485
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: the clipper or whatever down to Australia. He's got all

486
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: this stolen money that's worth like hundreds of thousands of

487
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: dollars today, so he's like, let me go spend some

488
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: of this down in Australia. Now, Australia was not quite

489
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: popping yet. It was just post penal colony and so

490
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: it's like basically Texas with a better beach. So at

491
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: this time he's like, you know what, Australia is not

492
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: the spot I thought it would be. So there's no

493
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: trains to rob, no action. He's like, I'm gonna cut you,

494
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: will cut you and cut you and feed you to

495
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 1: a crop. So he insides, you know, I'm gonna go

496
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: up there to your up. He takes the steamship up

497
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: to Europe and he enjoys all the pleasures of eighteen

498
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: eighties Europe, you know, all the various I don't know

499
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: caviars and things that you would be eating, and he

500
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: spends all of his stolen gold dust until there's none left,

501
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: and he's like, meanwhile, dreaming of, you know, robbing one

502
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: of the fancy transcontinental European trains. He's like, you know,

503
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: they'd be fantastic. We'd love to take the train from Constantinople.

504
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: Robert somewhere on the way to Beijing, he decided, to

505
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: know what, that may be a bit tough because he

506
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: doesn't know the land, doesn't know the language, doesn't know

507
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: the people, it doesn't there's a lot of disadvantages to

508
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: robbing a train. So he decides, I'm gonna go back

509
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: to America where people speak English. So he takes what

510
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: little booty and if stolen looty has left and heads

511
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 1: back to America. But he didn't keep enough money, so

512
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: when he lands in America, he's dead broke and he's

513
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,719
Speaker 1: trying to get to the west from the east, so

514
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: he has to do the classic bag borrow and steel

515
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: until he can make it west of the Mississippi. Then

516
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: he starts hobowing his way back to California and using

517
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: like you know, he's riding on box cars. He's taken

518
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: a ride on a stage coach on the back if

519
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 1: he can run up and hide on it, anything he can.

520
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: He sleeps in the woods, he's taking burrows over the mountains.

521
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: It is just an arduous trick all across America. He's

522
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: stealing chickens. He's doing ever he can to make it.

523
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: He finally makes it. And what did he do when

524
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: he gets back to California. Goes back to Robin Corporation

525
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: because that is what he's good at, and he's that's

526
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: they got the stolen wealth and I'm gonna steal it back.

527
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: So after he gets back to California, gets back to

528
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 1: what he does best, he meets up with this new guy,

529
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: a farman named Arthur Pond, and he's like, all right,

530
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: my man, I need a riding partner. How are you

531
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: about crime. It's like, oh, crime, I've never tried it,

532
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: but I'm amenable. So Arthur Pond. The two men hit

533
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: it off. They decided to go into business together, and

534
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: by business, I mean robbing stage coaches and trains. So

535
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: he picks an old gold and silver town called Ohio City, right,

536
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: and he's like, this is the spot it's in Colorado.

537
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: He hasn't quite you know, Ohio City in Colorado. Yeah,

538
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: it's a gold and silver boom town. Now it's a

539
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: ghost town. He doesn't no longer exists. So they wait

540
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: for the stage coach to pull out of town with

541
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: whatever gold and silver deposits they have that they're sending

542
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: to Denver, and they robbed the stage coach, and this

543
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: time they get away with about four thousand dollars, which

544
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: is plenty of pocket money for the two of them.

545
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: Huge score, but enough to keep them in horses and

546
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: bullets and well fed. So the two men decide, you

547
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: know what, we're good at this. We make a good team.

548
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: Let's stick together. They change their names. They're like, you

549
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: know what, people they know us and recognize us. So

550
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call you Billy Lee Roy. You call me

551
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: Billy Morgan. Wait, they still they just had to be

552
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: two billies. He's like, that was the problem. Last time

553
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: I had a Billyum, I could have been two billies.

554
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: Inside we we mixed up and he became Alkali GM.

555
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: That didn't work out. So you're gonna be Billy. I'm

556
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: gonna be Billy. We're gonna be they're gonna go to town. Hey, guys,

557
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: were just a couple of billies. Yeah, who could be

558
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: mad at a billy? And they have you met the

559
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: two Billies? Kind of silly. So they unfortunately aren't as

560
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: good at it as they think. They are get arrested

561
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: when they try to rob a stagecoach. They are tried, convicted,

562
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: this time ten years behind bars. Just a couple of

563
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: billies exactly. So bill miners like, you know what, Billy

564
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: Leroy was kind of a punk who wasn't good Bill miner.

565
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: So I'm going back out on my own. So he

566
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: escapes prison and he goes right back to robbing stagecoaches

567
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: on his own. He prison on his own. I'm gonna

568
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: be you know, rob stage coaches on my own. I

569
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: don't really need anybody. I got a gun, a horse

570
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: is all I need. This is one man show, just

571
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: Billy formerly two Billies. So if Billy gets into town

572
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: now that he's been released from prison or escaped rather,

573
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: and he gets resupplied, he's self released, yes, exactly. Now

574
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: he's always self released. He's free in his own recognizance.

575
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: And a posse, by the way, has been out looking

576
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: for the here word that he's escaped, so they're not

577
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: looking for him, and uh he gets caught and uh.

578
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: At this point he is he reconnected with his man,

579
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: Arthur Pond. Even though Arthur Pond is kind of a punk.

580
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: He managed to reconnect with Arthur Pond, who he had

581
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: helped escape from, you know, from prison. So the two reconnect.

582
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: They're on the road together. They get grabbed up by

583
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: this posse. Now, this posse decides, you know what, Western

584
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: justice might be the right thing for you boys. Yeah,

585
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: so things look bad. Arthur Pond uh gets an appointment

586
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: with the rope bill. Minor luck is on his side.

587
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: He manages to escape and he stays out on the lamb.

588
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how he gets away from the posse.

589
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if he just threw dirt and somebody away,

590
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: but he manages to get out of this. Like while

591
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, working on the rope with with Arthur,

592
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, let me just see this horse for

593
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: a second. Looks like it's standing on it's its own foot. Here,

594
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: let me move it. And he gets on the back

595
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: runs away. I don't know. A year later, he's back

596
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: in Colorado and he's decided you know what I remember

597
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: there was the Del Norte line stage coach going into Denver,

598
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: came out of Ohio City, if I recollect, and that

599
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: one had a few hundred dollars on it. So he goes,

600
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: he robs the stage coach and a law it has

601
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: an He goes back around the same line. He's like,

602
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: I know it, I know the driver. You know who

603
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: I am. Respect me. He's all, oh, it's billy bag.

604
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: Did y'all miss a bill? So he robs the stagecoach

605
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: and even though the score was tiny, it's just a

606
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: few hundred bucks. Posse is formed. They go chasing after him.

607
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: He's on horseback. This time the horse doesn't crap out.

608
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: He's learned his lesson to get to get a good horse,

609
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: and he's not pushing it because a horse, if you

610
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: run it for too long, it'll stop regardless, even if

611
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: it's not an old neck. So he's resting the horse

612
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: ride and rest in doing everything right. The chase last

613
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: for four days. There four it's a running gunfight for

614
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: four days through prairies and canyons, foothills, valleys, over the rocks,

615
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: through the trees, back and forth back bang ride, the

616
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: horse ride the horse, Bang bang, Ride the horse, Ride

617
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: the horse for four days. Finally, on the fourth day,

618
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: the posse just gives up. They're like, we ain't catching him.

619
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: Bill Minor a k. Billy Morrigan gets away now the

620
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: year at this time, so he's on the lamb robin

621
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: stage coaches. Luck is on his side. He decides, you

622
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing good, I'm back on the jam,

623
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: I'm peaking. I'm gonna go back to California, to Gold Country.

624
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: They ain't got any money out here in Colorado. So

625
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: rides back to California, tries to score on the various

626
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: stage coaches running down to San Francisco that he knows about.

627
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: And this is when he starts to make history. Right now,

628
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: after a quick break, I will tell you all about that.

629
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: History can't wait. So Bill miners back in Gold Country

630
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: in California, right Elizabeth, I told you he's They still

631
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: got stage coaches running at this time. That mostly the

632
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: good gold is on the trains, but that's for ads

633
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: continental the local routes stage coaches. So he picks up

634
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: the stage coach. He's got a good horse. He's wearing

635
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: a band and to cover his face because he knows

636
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: they got the telegraph now, so he's learned a lot

637
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: of lessons. Rides up to a stage coach. The driver

638
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: sees him. He's got a couple of guys with them.

639
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: They're all wearing their masks. He pulls out his six shooter,

640
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: aims at the wagon master, and he says he hands up,

641
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: and not a hair on your head will be harmed. Now,

642
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: that is the first time we've ever heard the words

643
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: hands up. No previous bandit ever thought to be considerate

644
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 1: of those he was robbing. It was the gentleman bandit

645
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: who brought this level of class and a lawn to

646
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: bank robbery, and he invented the first one. He's crafting

647
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: sling for the American West. He's the completely so wow,

648
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: hands up. Yeah, it was. It was so quotable. It

649
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: shows up in all the newspapers. Everybody's like just tickled

650
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: that at a robber would be thinking about their victims. Yeah,

651
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: I mean it is rather conscientious. Put your hands up, Yeah,

652
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to hurt you. Instead of like threatening

653
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: them with violence, He's like, look, I'm just here for

654
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: the corporation's money, none of yours. It's going to be

655
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 1: totally tasteful. You'll be into it. Just relax, let it happen.

656
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 1: So Bill Miner he gets away with four thousand dollars

657
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: on this job and the beginnings of a legend. Now

658
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: people are starting to know about him because he's in

659
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: the newspapers with this incongruous hands up treatment, like these

660
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: people throw their hands in the air like they actually

661
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: kind of care, Like just pretend like you care. Just

662
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: throw them by the air. That's what it really matters.

663
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: So he and his gang, though, are not respected by

664
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: the authorities who are not interested in this conscientious robbery

665
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: thing he's got going. So they of course hunt him down,

666
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: and doesn't take long for them to catch him. They

667
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: catch up to Bill, he's tried, convicted, and sentenced to

668
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: five years in San Quentin. This time though he does

669
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 1: not get out on good behavior. He spends twenty years

670
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: in San Quentin, hard time, taking big rocks and turning

671
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: them into little rock. Yeah, a new century rolls around, changed.

672
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: So it's nineteen o one now, and when he's finally

673
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: released and Bill Miner Freeman decides, you know what, I

674
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: spent the majority of my life behind bars. Maybe I

675
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: could learn a lesson from this I'm gonna go back

676
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: to Oregon. See how my sister is doing. I'm fifty

677
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: four years old. I'm an outlaw. Maybe I can do

678
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: something different and become a smarter outlaw. Not to reform. No, No,

679
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: he's an older, wiser criminal. Now he's like, I'm not

680
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: getting caught against. So he now has that silver mustache

681
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: that will become synonymous with the gray Fox, and he

682
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: is still the charming gentleman. He does not grow bitter

683
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: in prison. He doesn't become mean or ornery, is surly.

684
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 1: He just says the ever invescent Bill Miner, We've always

685
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,959
Speaker 1: known and loved a gentleman exactly. And he goes back

686
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: to robbing stage coaches because they still exist in nineteen

687
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: o one. I guess they last all the way to

688
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: automated cars. I mean until you know, until you have

689
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: like you know, the Model T and so forth that

690
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: can make those same mountain passes to get to like

691
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: a an industrious, robust car, because the early cars were

692
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: far too and so forth. So he's robbing stage coaches

693
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 1: in nineteen o one. But now at this point everything

694
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: of good values moved on to trains, because now that

695
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: have trains that run even from Gold Country down to

696
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: San Francisco. So he's like, you know what, I gotta

697
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: catch up with the days. I gotta catch up with

698
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: the times. Nineteen o three decides I'm gonna start robbing trains.

699
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: Takes some two years from release to becoming a train robbery.

700
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: He's like, gotta figure out the angle. So he's just

701
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: dusting around in between. They're like, he's trying to do things,

702
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: like maybe the legit way doesn't work for him, tries

703
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: a different job, doesn't work for him, just keeps going

704
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: into He's like, you know what, I'm only good at

705
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: one thing, Robin, I gotta get back to what I love,

706
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: to go back to the crime community. So I got

707
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: about go back to my old ways. So he robs

708
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: the number six train near Corbett, Oregon, up near the

709
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: border of California and Oregon. Now there's a high value

710
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: loot on this train. He's certain of it. So he's

711
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: brought dynamite with him to get to it because he

712
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: knows all the new trains, they have these huge safe

713
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: they don't just have strong boxes of lock boxes that

714
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: they've transferred from a stage coach. Now they got a

715
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: whole exactly brings the dynamite, blows that express car up.

716
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: This is very like Wily Coyote in my head. I'm

717
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: gonna bring dynamite, Like, are you kidding me? It works.

718
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: He blows up the safe, he blows up the express car,

719
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: he blows the train off the tracks. It's just the

720
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: whole thing. He's a little out of practice. He needs

721
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: to get back on top. So it works, and uh,

722
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: he's able to rob it. He gets, you know, a

723
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: pretty good score. And then he once again the heat

724
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: is now back on him. He lets the heat blow over.

725
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: He hides out on the lamb. Where does he do?

726
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: He's like, you know what, I'm gonna get out of

727
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: the area for a little while. He goes to Chicago.

728
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: When you say he hides, I always imagine he's in

729
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: a cave eating like a can of beans, sitting there

730
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: gold beans again, hume. So he's in Chicago shopping for

731
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: fashion plate like accessories, remember Champagne socialist. When he gets money,

732
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: he spends it on nice shoes, maybe a pocket square.

733
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: The local Pinkerton detective noticed this guy. They're like, what's

734
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: up with the guy buying clothes? A gold dust so

735
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: they know only people have gold out on the count

736
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: pretty much. He's like, that's about announce. Oh my gosh,

737
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: so that it's working for him, right, But the Pinkerton's

738
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: make note of him at this point. He's like, oh,

739
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: he can tell that they're clocking him. So he's like,

740
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: I gotta get back to my outlaw life. I'm not

741
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: good for this. So he goes back west and he

742
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 1: meets up a fellow bad man, a gunfighter this time

743
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: named Stanton te Jones. Oh yeah, very professional. Now he

744
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: and his new riding partner they head up to Oregon

745
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: because he's like, that's the spot. That's where they got

746
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: like trains with money at least expecting it. It's rural

747
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: people are nice that you know, the only thing they

748
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: don't want his black people around. Everything else they're cool

749
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: sundown towns. So this is how Bill Miner recalled a

750
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: trip up to Oregon. And I quote, yes, I came

751
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: to a small Oregon town on the eve of Thanksgiving

752
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: with a large amount of gold dust. I stepped into

753
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: a store and bought a cigar. A nicely dressed man

754
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: came in and began ordering a large amount of groceries.

755
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: But curiosity was aroused and I quiet, for whom he

756
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: was buying so many eatables. He stated that he was

757
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: a member of the relief committee of his town, buying

758
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: groceries for a dinner for the places pull for Thanksgiving. Now,

759
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: I pulled out my bag of gold dust and scraping

760
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: a small amount into a tobacco sack, handed the remainder

761
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: over to the grocery man, and I said, here, partner,

762
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: take this and give the poor people all it'll buy.

763
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: Now that money was all that he had in the world.

764
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: He scrapes off a little gold dust for himself, and

765
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: he's like, make sure that people enjoy Thanksgiving. Wow, He's like,

766
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: give him some cranberry sauce and pringles and just go

767
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: to town. I noticed he didn't say tell him Billy

768
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: Minor gave you that. He just made it happen. That's

769
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,959
Speaker 1: the actual charity. He didn't make it about him. So

770
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: this also starts to win him favor because people know

771
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: this weird stranger was the one talk spreads. Anyway, He's

772
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: able to, you know, keep robbing stage coaches and keep

773
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: people on his side because of his generosity and the

774
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: fact that you know, when they hear about it, they're like, oh,

775
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: who did he rob and now there are other people

776
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: robbing stage coaches and trains at this time, and they

777
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 1: robbed the passengers. He has the distinction of only robbing

778
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: the banks the trains. So people start to fall in

779
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: love with him. So now when he gets prosecuted, they're like, well,

780
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, the Canadian Pacific Railroad has been robbing from us.

781
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: He's just robbing from them. They start to take his tech,

782
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: which is it's the corporations are exploiting. He just takes

783
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: a little and gives it to the people who've been robbed.

784
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: How is that wrong? Robbing from the rich giving to

785
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: the park exactly? Now, I know how much you love

786
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: cowboy names. Right now, he gets connected with a cowboy

787
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: whose nickname is cowboy Jake. But that's right. So it's

788
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: like the people got together and said, cowboy Jake, that's

789
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: the terrible name. How about we've got a new one

790
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: for you. What what's your last name? Oh my mama

791
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: called me Jake Terry. They're like, okay, well we're gonna

792
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: call you terrible Terry. This other nickname is terrible Terry. Nothing.

793
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: Nothing competes with the vertigree. Kid, that's the best. That's

794
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: the best name. That was Cherokee Bill's riding partner, the

795
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: Vertigree kid, and such good name. I mean, come on now,

796
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: Vertigree is the green petina that you get from like

797
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: a brass right, it was a brass copper from copper,

798
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: the green petina on copper, Like, that's the that's a

799
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 1: great being named after. Jake sounds like on a budget

800
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: kids TV show when he comes with Cowboy Jake and

801
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: it's played by Laurence Fishburne. Yeah, and then Terrible Terry.

802
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: That just makes me think of that car wash Terrible

803
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: Terrible in Las Vegas. To have the gas station. Terrible

804
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: Terry is just like a feature on a morning show,

805
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: a radio show. Like he sounds like an early nickname

806
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: for Terry the Tramp, like the Hell's Angel biker who's

807
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: in the Hells Angels, Terry the Tramp. Like that doesn't work.

808
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: We need to get you a better nickname, Terry the Tramp.

809
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna go with Cowboy Jake, So I'm glad. So

810
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: Cowboy Jake. This dude's a career outlaw. He's just you know,

811
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: good for nothing cowboy. He doesn't like to work. He

812
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: prefers to rob and steal, right, but he doesn't have

813
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: any of the ethics of a Bill Minor. He's just

814
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: in it for the loot and the booty. Yeah, so

815
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: he's doing it for them. He's just in it for

816
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: the booty. Baby. So he's smuggling guns over the border

817
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: into Canada. That's his major line of work. The other

818
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: thing he does is he smuggles Chinese immigrants and opium

819
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: into America from Canada. Well, they're paying. He wasn't doing

820
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 1: it like for like the factories exactly. He's a coyote

821
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: who's in the opium smuggling business, the human trafficking business,

822
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: and also gun running. Just a class class character. So

823
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: for a while he tried to be a counterfeiter, but

824
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: he didn't have a trustworthy face. So he you think

825
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: his name is cowboy Jake, that he's going to like

826
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: a par at children's birthday parties of his outlaw ways,

827
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: he does full terrible terry on him. And so the

828
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: terrible terry he helps smuggle our man Bill Minor across

829
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: the border, not into America but out of America. He

830
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: gets into Canada so he can hide out after a

831
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: stage coach robbery goes bad. So now the years nineteen

832
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: o four. Bill Minor is free, still on the lamb.

833
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: He's about to embark on the final chapter of his

834
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: outlaw for here right now. Remember, up to this point,

835
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: Canada has never had a train robbery ever occur. They

836
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 1: have a very safe, very Canadian way of life. People

837
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: are like barging onto trains with guns. That's more of

838
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: an American affair, which I think, you know, makes perfect sense.

839
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: He's like, you know what, I think we need to

840
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 1: change that. So Bill Miner goes up and decides, you know, well,

841
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: maybe I could go legit. And that doesn't work for him,

842
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: because it never works for him. At first he's a cowboy.

843
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: Then he tries mining, and he goes back to cowboying.

844
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: Then he tries working in the middle, he tries working

845
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: in a factory. He really tries to go and be

846
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 1: exploited by corporations in a good way, but it never

847
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: makes sense to him and always makes him angry. So

848
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: he goes right back to the cricket path of crime

849
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: British Columbia, Canada. He decides, you know what, this feels

850
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: a lot like gold country. They have gold strikes and

851
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: silver strikes around here. If I'm not mistaken. The Yukon's

852
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: just up there, and I know they got gold coming

853
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: down here to Vancouver and Victoria. I just have to

854
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: find out. So he goes out and finds himself a

855
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: riding partner, a new one, this guy he nicknames Shortly Done.

856
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: He's like, you're not you tall, I'm gonna call you Shorty.

857
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: So Bill Miner and Shorty Done they join up with

858
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: cowboy Jake ak a terrible terry, and the three of

859
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: them decides let's go rob a train. It'll be the

860
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: first train ever robbed in Canada. So they're about forty

861
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: miles east of Vancouver. Bill Miner the boys are waiting

862
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: in the rocks. It's the dark of night. They see

863
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: the Canadian Pacific Railroad pulling into a station and they go, okay,

864
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's rob it looks good. This looks like

865
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: a winner. So it's a Saturday night. There's a low,

866
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: thick fog hanging down the ground, blanketing everything, so they

867
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: have both darkness and a fog to obscure them. They

868
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: can see the trains late, growing bigger and brighter as

869
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: it's approaching. The stations are like, okay, let's hide it

870
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: out in the sea of darkness and fog, and when

871
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: it gets close enough, we'll just run on and rob it,

872
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, like it seems simple enough to me. Terrible

873
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: Terry is like, so they do exactly that. They get

874
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: on the train. When it slows down at the station,

875
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: they pull out their guns. They force them into the

876
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: face of the engineer and the coal man. They say,

877
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: don't stop at the train station. So this time a Elizabeth,

878
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: they don't stop the train. They run it five miles

879
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: past the train and they go, now stop the train.

880
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: So now that they're out in the middle of nowhere,

881
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: they stop the train. They uncouple the cars so that's

882
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: just the express car with them and the locomotive. They

883
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: go pull forward a little bit. While they're doing this,

884
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: one of the brakeman hops off the back of the

885
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: train runs back to town. Now that's talking about a

886
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: three five mile runs, so it's gonna take them a

887
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: little while. Gives them time to work to get to

888
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: the express car. Now they're rifling through. It doesn't look

889
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: like there's anything but Bill Minor. He's not dumb like

890
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: Terrible Terry, and he's not like Shorty Done, who's just like,

891
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: I just want something let's just take anything. Let's take

892
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: the stapler. You know, he doesn't give it. He just

893
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 1: wants to take something because like they made all this effort,

894
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 1: Bill Miners, like, I know, it doesn't look it doesn't

895
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: look like there's anything on this train. Let's dig through

896
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:47,479
Speaker 1: the mail, like the mail take checks from widows. So

897
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: it turns out it was a great call. In the

898
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: mail they find fifty thou dollars worth of government bearer bonds,

899
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: which are good as cash. Whoever has that's their's. And

900
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: then there's another big fine two hifty dollars in austri

901
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: allion bearer bonds. Because at this time everything's under the

902
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, the Bank of England, so are pretty much

903
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: exchanging moneys and so forth. So these two financial instruments

904
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: are combined, were three hundred thousand dollars back then, which

905
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: would be about ten million dollars today. To exact, it

906
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: was nine point nine eight million dollars that they find

907
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: in that mail bag. Smart mail, right, Bill Minor, knowledgeable socialist,

908
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: He's like, mail is the people's now. This is the

909
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: first successful train robbery in Canada. They're so good at

910
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: it they do it again for the second train robbery.

911
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: Now the gang did disguise themselves, but there was one problem.

912
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: They all spoke in what would be described up there

913
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: as American accents, like they don't have all Americans up here.

914
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: And now everybody knows down in Washington and Oregon and

915
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 1: California is this guy Bill Miner did gang Robin trains

916
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: left and right. They're like, I bet it's him. Kind

917
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: of kind of fit, you know. So they contact Canadian authorities,

918
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: they train people, then contact the Pinkerton's. The pinker didn't

919
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: show up. They're like, he was in Chicago, we heard

920
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: about him. Down in Oregon, we heard they heard about

921
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: him all over their agencies. So they're like, we need

922
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: to catch them. Nation Canada goes, we agree, we will

923
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: give you five thousand dollars for Bill Miner's head, dead

924
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: or alive, because they own the Canadian Pacific Railroads. So

925
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: essentially the government of Canada so the pinker Tins are hired.

926
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: So now we got thug muscle out there in like suits,

927
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: acting tough. On the Western was like, who are those jerks?

928
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: And everyone's like those criminals exactly essentially, you know, they're

929
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: just basically cops without badges, but they have none of

930
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: the responsibilities. Cops do all the authority, none of the responsibility.

931
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: You do the math. So the pinker Tin's they go

932
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: rough people up, doing all the harassment of the West,

933
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: and they also are not very successful at it. They

934
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: just don't seem to have the wherewithal. And there are

935
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: some great hunters and trackers amongst the pinker Tin's. They

936
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: weren't able to do it, so they hire some First

937
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: Nation trappers. They're brought in to track down Bill Miner's gang,

938
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: the First Nation guys, Gangbusters. Pinker Tins came up empty. Eventually,

939
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: Bill Minor Terrible, Terry Shorty done. They get close a

940
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: few times to catching them, but they all escaped the

941
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: long arm of the law for a while. In nineteen

942
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: o five, one year later, they're out, you know, cattle rustling.

943
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: There's no trains to rob. You want to stay fitted

944
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: in the shape. Yeah, they're like, hey, guys, preseason run.

945
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: So they out there. They rustle some cattle, about fifty

946
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: of them, which is a pretty good score for horses.

947
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: And things are going well. The law shows up at

948
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: their door. They're just hiding out in a town called

949
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: cam Loops in British Columbia, and at this point Bill

950
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: Miner has been staying there and getting to know all

951
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: the people. Everybody knows him as this guy Edwards. They're like, oh, yeah,

952
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: George Edwards is his is his trail name he's using,

953
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: so everybody thinks of him as George Edwards. They don't.

954
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: They've heard talk of this guy Bill Miner, who's arrassing everybody.

955
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: But it couldn't be this kindly old gentleman who lives

956
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: in town, who is so nice to everybody, has a

957
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: flower for the ladies and a smile for the kids.

958
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: But you know what gives them away? How the law

959
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: got to his door? A dancing girl, but not the

960
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: kind you would think of, not a dance hall dancing girl.

961
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: It was the one on his arm. Yes, Canadian Pacific

962
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: Railroad detective, this dude named Bullock. He writes the report

963
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: that will frame all this for you, and I quote,

964
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: I have not the slightest doubt that the old man

965
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: and custody is Bill Miner. I am well acquainted with

966
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: minor sisters and can recognize the family likeness, even if

967
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: I had not other proofs. Last night I saw the

968
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: man stripped and he was lathering his hands, and I

969
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: asked him to turn them over, wishing to identify a

970
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: stencil mark on his arm. He turned his hand over,

971
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: but not enough for me to see all of it.

972
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: I asked him again, when he was wiping his face.

973
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: On his second refusal, I see he's totally arm and

974
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: I turned it over. Boom. There she was the dancing

975
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: girl tattoo that he was known for. Every time he

976
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: was arrested, they made note of this. Everybody Bill Miner

977
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: can be identified by the dancing girl tattoo. Criminals don't

978
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: get tattoos. No, he refused it. He's like, I'm not

979
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: Bill Miner, and know what you're talking about it because

980
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: I got dancing girl in my arm, like this Bill

981
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: Flash tattoo. A bunch of people have this tattoo. Yeah,

982
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:58,959
Speaker 1: I mean if you went down to the tattoo shop

983
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: in San Diego about thirty years ago. So they're like yeah, okay,

984
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: and all the there's like it. Did it totally? Did?

985
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: He could make it dance. That's the whole you make him.

986
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: You had got a lot of sailors, don't you. You

987
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: want to see this boat ride the waves the ships, sir,

988
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: So it's a schooner. Hundreds of people pour into town

989
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: for the trial. Bill Minor, the Gray Fox, the Gentleman Bandit,

990
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: known by many names. They want to see him with

991
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: their own eyes. He is, after all, the most wanted

992
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: outlaw in the Disappearing wild West nineteen o four. He's

993
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: one of the last great outlaws. So like, let me

994
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: lay eyes on this man. Now. They get there and

995
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: they noticed that Bill is a rather peculiar fellow when

996
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: you see him with your own eyes, and he's a

997
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: little smaller than people imagine. He's got that delightful silver mustache.

998
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: But he also does odd things like keep an egg

999
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: in his pocket, and he got ears the size of

1000
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: dinner exactly. No, literally the truth. He had an egg

1001
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: in his pocket he kept all through the court trial.

1002
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: He would occasionally finger it. People couldn't figure out what

1003
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: he was doing. Then he started pulling it out of

1004
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: his pocket and playing with it. And you just be

1005
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: staring at it. The judge was talking, He's just staring

1006
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: at an egg. What do you even do with that?

1007
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: He never explained to anyone why he had the egg

1008
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: in his pocket. People just assume must be for luck.

1009
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: So to this day there is a mystery of why

1010
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: the egg trial though it doesn't last long. The egg

1011
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: doesn't have time to go bad, doesn't get a second egg.

1012
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: He's deemed guilty, sentenced to life in prison. Bill Miner

1013
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: looks at the judge smoothly and says, your honor, no

1014
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 1: jail can hold me, sir. Judge is like, well, let's

1015
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: see about that. Now, true to his word. In nineteen

1016
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 1: o seven, he escapes prison again. The guy's amazing. How

1017
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: old is he at this point? Well, you do the

1018
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: math nineteen o seven? All right, wow, right, okay, exactly,

1019
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,439
Speaker 1: So it's nineteen o seven. I'm not doing the math

1020
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: on how old he is. If you want, you can

1021
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: do the math. But you know it's like sixty plus

1022
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: exactly whatever he cares. He's approaching retirement. So he's a

1023
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: man at a certain age. So Bill Miner, he's escaped

1024
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: from prison, just good to his word, just like he

1025
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: said he would. And from the local news of the

1026
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: day we know that, and I quote on the morning

1027
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: of August night, he made good his boast by crawling

1028
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: through a thirty five foot tunnel under the fence surrounding

1029
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: the brickyard in the new Westminster Penitentiary. Bill is remembered

1030
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: as one of Canada's most notable bandits a peaceful soul,

1031
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: beloved by his friends and jailer's alike. What's up el

1032
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: Chapo tunneling out? I know, right, but he didn't like

1033
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: you know, people liked him. He didn't kill people. He

1034
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: was murder free. You'd like that about him. Like that.

1035
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: So the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the RCMP, they are

1036
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: tasked with finding Bill. They're no better than the Pinkerton's.

1037
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: They can't catch him. Bill is loose once again on

1038
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: the lamb. Now why couldn't they find him? He was

1039
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: hiding out in Europe. Oh, it's like I'm going back

1040
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: where that nice place was, where people don't walk around

1041
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: a gun there. So he then spends his time in

1042
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: Europe until once again runs out of money, blows all

1043
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: his stolen booty. Once he has no booty, back to America.

1044
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: So many of us have done that. I'm on, yeah,

1045
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: that's pretty much my life story. Run out of booty,

1046
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: back to America. So he flees back to America. What's

1047
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: he doing when he gets to California? Robs the stage?

1048
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: So he needs to get little spending money, little pocket money,

1049
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: you know, a full folding cash. If you will and money. Yeah,

1050
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: this is how he explained it. And I quote Bill

1051
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: Miner said, I then made my way to Europe, where

1052
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: I spent about six months, returning to America when I

1053
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: went dead broke from giving a poor widow most of

1054
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: my money in order to send her daughter to Hot Springs,

1055
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: Arkansas for treatment which would cure her seemingly hopeless case

1056
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: of rheumatism. The balance I lost in a gambling hall

1057
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: in a California town. So well, he's like, like legit,

1058
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: like folk here outlaws. It was some of the casino.

1059
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: I gave most of it to a widow and her

1060
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: rheumatory kid go fund me for her kids. Yeah, it's like, okay,

1061
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: I like this priorities. But because he's Bill Miner in

1062
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: Trouble is pretty much his shadow, he tries to go legit.

1063
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: He gets a job working in a sawmill down in Georgia.

1064
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 1: He doesn't go west this time. He gets back to America,

1065
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,479
Speaker 1: stays on the Atlantic. He's down in Georgia, my great

1066
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: home state, and working in like those you know, those

1067
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 1: pine forests cutting down right, Oh dude, the saw mill towns,

1068
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 1: you know, the stink. So he's down there having gone

1069
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: from the high luxury of Europe to a saw mill

1070
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: town in Georgia, so obviously he's hiding out. No one

1071
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: else wants to be underground. Now he decides, you know what,

1072
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: this sucks. This working for a living. I'm not into it.

1073
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: So he's like, you know what, guys, any of you

1074
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: guys wanna try a new line of work. They're like, oh,

1075
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: what do you got in mine? The bill and he's like, well,

1076
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: I happen to know a line of work that's both

1077
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: profitable and enjoyable. If you boys like to join me

1078
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: for an evening, we could talk about our options. And

1079
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, they talked about it. We're gonna rob

1080
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: a stage coach. Like he's got pamphlets that say criming.

1081
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: It's like, Bill, we need I mean, you're you're a

1082
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: little old. You may not know this. We don't have

1083
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: stage coaches anymore, not really. I don't know how it

1084
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: was in California where you're from. We kind of have

1085
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: trains were it's like perfect, Well, rob At He's like,

1086
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 1: I can do that too. Yeah, I'm flexible. I don't

1087
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: get to be Bill Miner and this old by not

1088
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: being flexible. So they decided let's go rob a train,

1089
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: and the five of them hold up a train on

1090
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: its way to New Orleans. They pull out from the

1091
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: train safe, not a banktown New Orleans, but still has

1092
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: enough deposits that they can make a big good score.

1093
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: Now this is nineteen eleven at this point. Okay, so

1094
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: we're the world at least America and the West are

1095
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: heading towards World War One, but they don't know it

1096
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: at that right, so everybody thinks everything is going to

1097
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: continue on the way it is for perpetuity, which is

1098
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: a common human fallacy. We always think how it is

1099
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: right now, it would be forever or will be sensibly

1100
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: for the future. Of course, events way, and Bill Miner

1101
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: is caught by the law. He's like, but I was

1102
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 1: I had all these expectations, these dreams. I wanted to

1103
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: go rob a transcontinental railroad in Europe. You're stepping on

1104
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: a man's dreams. This is not America, this is in

1105
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: the land of freedom. They're like, Bill settled down, bro.

1106
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: So the deal is that he was sitting there with

1107
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: his men, because what happened is the three guys that

1108
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: he got to come with him and rob the stage coach.

1109
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: They all worked at the mill with him. Well. On

1110
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: Monday morning when none of them showed up to work,

1111
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: everyone was very quick to figure out, I bet it's

1112
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: that guy and the new guy in his and the

1113
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: couple of the hires we have that were questionable. That

1114
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: is them be like, let's check. That doesn't take them long.

1115
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: Local farmers like, oh, I've seen him. Some mountain men

1116
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: finger them like, yeah, there's like four guys down this way.

1117
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: So they go down and they find the men all

1118
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: sitting around a small fire, and the posse men show

1119
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: up in the woods and they're like, oh, look, we

1120
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: caught him and the Bill Minor because the rest of

1121
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: the boys are pretty much napping after dinner, and the

1122
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: fires just cracked on. It's a nice exactly just farting

1123
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: and tooting along, easing into like some of the Sandman's arms.

1124
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: And Bill Miner hasn't quite like fallen into sleep, nor

1125
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: is he fully relaxed, because he's like Bill Miner's about

1126
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: that life. He hears the crunch in the distance of

1127
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: a snap of a twig, he hears a leaf, and

1128
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: he knows somebody's close. He jumps up, says, rouse boys,

1129
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: the laws on us. It's like George Clooney is no

1130
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: brother where that. So he shouts to his men. The

1131
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: men they're used to Bill Miner at this point, may

1132
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: being like the old guys, so they trust him. They're like, oh,

1133
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: he must know something. He was his idea, So they

1134
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: all scatter right there. He's like, no, don't run, they

1135
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: got guns. Of course, the law does it. The law

1136
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: does starts firing Bill Miner because you know, he doesn't

1137
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: want to go down. He's willing to fire back. But

1138
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: remember he doesn't hurt anybody, it's his code. So he's

1139
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: firing just to scare, shooting trees, the dirt, anything, just

1140
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: to let people know, you know, they might get shot.

1141
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: That's enough for the law to back off, but not

1142
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: enough to stay away. They eventually close in. They shoot

1143
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: one guy, take out another, and it takes an hit

1144
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: one guy in the knee. So everybody's like pretty banged

1145
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,959
Speaker 1: up except for Bill Miner. They get arrested. Bill Miner

1146
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: looks at the cops is, well, I guess you got

1147
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: me boys, all right, He's just so George. So the

1148
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: Pinkerton's there are on the scene, and they of course

1149
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: with the Pinkerton's, so they've got technology working on their side.

1150
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: They had these photographs that have been like sent around

1151
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: the country so they can identify this person. They have

1152
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: a caption on it, and he says, hey, are you

1153
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: Bill Miner. He's like, no, I know what you're talking about.

1154
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: He said, it's like, you know, I'm George Evans or whatever.

1155
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: He lies about his name, and then it's like, we'll

1156
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: look at this photo here, and he said, he just

1157
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: reads the caption bhoys staring at him. He's like Bill Miner,

1158
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: California's trained and stage robber alias William Morgan, Billy Morgan,

1159
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: George Anderson, Sam Anderson, California Billy Old Bill, Bill Bud,

1160
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: George Edwards g. W. Edwards escaped from the New Westminster Penitentiary, Victoria,

1161
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: British Columbia, just staring at him the whole time. Bill Miner,

1162
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: the old gentleman batted himself, just kind of grands and goes,

1163
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: that's me. So he's then tried, convicted, and sentenced to

1164
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: twenty years in prison, asked earlier, at this point, he

1165
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: is sixty five years old. I had done the math

1166
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: on this one, so I have an answered for you.

1167
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: Sixty five and twenty years to life. Which is essentially life.

1168
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: So in prison, he keeps a garden. A local detectives

1169
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: would visit him and like they would swap stories. He

1170
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: just loved talking to Bill, and Bill was like basically

1171
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: giving him stories for a book that you planned to write.

1172
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: The two of them just have a good old time.

1173
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: So he an old aging law man, just talk about

1174
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 1: the good old days. And Bill Miner tells him about

1175
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: his code, about how he never killed anyone, you only

1176
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: rever robbed the corporations, and detectives like, oh, that's very

1177
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: decent of your Bill. And now, meanwhile, Bill is trying

1178
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: this whole time to get out of prison. He keeps

1179
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: breaking out, so he's talking to the detective, but it

1180
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: doesn't change who he is. He escapes from prison three

1181
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: more times, get out of here. Each time he's recaptured

1182
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: in just a few days. Because he's in the South.

1183
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: And I don't know, if you know anything about the South,

1184
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: where they put the prisons is always in pretty much

1185
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: next to a swamp. You're not getting out of. If

1186
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: the swamp doesn't kill you, what lives in it will.

1187
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: So and now he's sitting there and Bill Miner this

1188
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: is and we're in the year nineteen twelve. We've passed

1189
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: just another year. Bill Miner makes his final attempt to flee,

1190
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,959
Speaker 1: and he makes it out. He escapes. He gets about

1191
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: twenty miles from the prison farm, goes through uf ump.

1192
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: They've got a little like John boat. He and the

1193
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: guys he bust out with, and they're trying to get

1194
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: going in the swamp. But as I told you, it's

1195
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: dangerous in the swamp. That capsized the boat. Call of

1196
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: them go into the waters. Its brackish water. It takes

1197
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: a big old mouthful, is terrible. Everyone's like getting sick

1198
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: on the water. They swim out of the water that

1199
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: they've after they've capsized the boat, they step into the mud.

1200
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: They're slogging through it. Their boots are going through the mud.

1201
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: All of a sudden they hear that from the bloodhounds

1202
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: are on them, the hound dogs, hunting dogs. They got

1203
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: both hunting hounds and bloodhounds. Rather coming up off off

1204
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: their trail, Bill Miner knows they ain't getting through a swamp,

1205
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: not with dogs on him, So he just grins and

1206
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: stays there and waits for the authorities to catch up

1207
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: to him. When the authorities get to him, he just

1208
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: looks at him. He says, I guess I'm getting too

1209
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: old for this sort of thing. I don't know if

1210
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: totally that's exactly what I thought. I'm like, I don't

1211
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: know if he, like pretty much was the first person

1212
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: to say I guess I'm getting too old for this.

1213
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: But he was the one to say it back then,

1214
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be surprised if that was the one,

1215
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: because you know, he had the hands up. So I'm

1216
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: gonna give him I'm being too old for this. He's

1217
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: the forty of the wild West. I'm telling me, the

1218
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: Gentleman band at the Great Fox mom Man. So uh,

1219
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: we're in September when Bill Miner finally slips the mortal

1220
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: coil and escapes the law for the last time. He

1221
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: had died from gastritis from the swamp water he swallowed

1222
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: when he capt And how many folks have kept his

1223
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: legend alive up in Canada because that's where they believe

1224
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: he buried his hidden booty of bearer bonds. The bearer

1225
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: bonds were never recovered, so that's somewhere out there in

1226
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: the world. There are dollars worth of bear bounds, which

1227
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: are now worth ten million dollars, So good luck. There's

1228
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: somewhere in British Columbia, Canada. I'm leaving now. Yeah, none

1229
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: have found it. It's still up there for grabs. And that,

1230
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: my friends, is the story of Bill Miner, my outlaw

1231
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: folk hero. Nice nice Elizabeth. What's our ridiculous takeaway? Well,

1232
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: I think my ridiculous takeaway is that I will respect

1233
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: a criminal who doesn't want to hurt Pete Bowl, and

1234
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: I like the idea that he's not taking personal funds

1235
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: from people. He does, however, continually break the social contract.

1236
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: So you know, there's that, But it just makes me

1237
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: kind of think about how we have this myth of

1238
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: the West and this this like individualism and you know,

1239
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: the adventure. But the truth is it was really like

1240
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: the companies. The corporations came in and just like soaked it.

1241
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: They so quickly took advantage of the opportunities out there.

1242
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: So people would come and they'd have a gold strike,

1243
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: but then the gold can turn to come in. People

1244
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: would get like ranching. But then all of a sudden

1245
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,919
Speaker 1: you'd have the big ranchers come in and they put

1246
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: barbed wire up. Now no longer have free ranging. Every

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Speaker 1: time people were doing that that Western idea of like,

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Speaker 1: you know, being an individual. Eventually some people would come

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Speaker 1: together who had more money, more legal might and say

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Speaker 1: I'm going to take what yours and if you don't

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Speaker 1: want to fight about it, Bill Miners like, yeah, I do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's breaking the law. There's a part of

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Speaker 1: me that just kind of enjoys that he's pushing back.

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Speaker 1: He's you know, he's there's one force pushing back on that.

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Speaker 1: So and he didn't do it for the people. He

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Speaker 1: wasn't quite like Robin Hood, but he did it like

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Speaker 1: with the people. I think it's probably the better way.

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Speaker 1: My ridiculous takeaway, Elizabeth, since you didn't ever ask, I

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Speaker 1: don't care, you don't really care? Is ABC always be

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Speaker 1: keeping to your code? Or you could say ABC always

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Speaker 1: be robbing corporations? Neither of those are acronyms, so just

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Speaker 1: try to remember and think of them as mnemonics. That's

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Speaker 1: it for this episode. Thanks for joining us. I am

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