1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on everybody? John Middlecoff three 2 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: and Out podcast. 3 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: How are we doing? It's been a long day. 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: Woke up with a little head cold, and I said, 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: we have to watch some football because that's what we do, 6 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: and that's what we did, so as I do every Sunday. 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: I went out with Colin after the Packer Sam Donald 8 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: game and it definitely was a Sam Donald game. Again, 9 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: He's had a lot of those. But then he got 10 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: celebrated in the locker room. And then I watched the 11 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: Washington Commanders make the playoffs beat Michael Penix, and we 12 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: will talk about that game right off the bat because 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels, Michael Penix, Kingsbury, Raheem Morris, what a game man, 14 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: what a game. That was fun, that was very enjoyable. 15 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: It's crazy how the Commanders went from so bad to 16 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: now this had a number two pick in the draft 17 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: last year and now they're eleven and five playing the Cowboys. 18 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: I mean there's a decent chance. I don't know if 19 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: they'll rest starters whatever get to twelve wins. Also wanted 20 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: to hit on some other stuff. Obviously Sam Darnold, where 21 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: he ranks in the NFC, some of these bad teams 22 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: winning today very NFL Tom Brady's performance, and we'll have 23 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: a podcast Tuesday as well. So after the Monday night 24 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: game Lions forty nine ers and yeah, do a big 25 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: mail bag tomorrow. Did a couple of mailbag questions today, 26 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: So make sure if you listen on Collins Feed, make 27 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: sure you subscribe to three and Out. 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I mean, dan Quinn, I don't know, the 55 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: guy personally feels like one of the more just genuine 56 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: nice guys in the NFL. I don't know if I've 57 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: ever heard a bad word about that guy. Raheem Morris 58 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: is another one of those guys that everyone seems to 59 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: like and they just feel very like positive, uplifting human beings, 60 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: like two guys that would be fun to play for. 61 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: Those two quarterbacks. 62 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: Now, I liked Penix more I think the last couple 63 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: of years in college. Now, granted, I watched way more 64 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: of Pennix than I did of Jaden Daniels, and I 65 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: let Jaden daniels experience at Arizona State kind of jade 66 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: my belief in him, even with his dominance at LSU. 67 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: But he clearly is a pretty special player. And those 68 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: two guys are just really really easy to root for. 69 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: Pennix this left handed gun slinger, pocket quarterback, and Jaden Daniels, 70 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: this dual threat, huge arm runs around kind of like nonchalantly. 71 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: It's like Jaden, he's probably run a little faster, but 72 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: maybe his running full speed, but it feels like he's 73 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: going half. They're just easy guys to watch, and we'll 74 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: dive into Penix. Obviously he missed some throws, and I 75 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: just I really just enjoyed that experience. What was on 76 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: the line for the Falcons, what they had done investing 77 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: in Cousins, drafting this guy, and it looks like they're 78 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: going to miss the playoffs. And then Washington, it's like 79 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: this franchise has been such a joke. New owner, new quarterback, 80 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: new GM boom, playoffs year one, eleven wins. So it's 81 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: just that that that was fun. And I think early 82 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: on in that game it was like Washington's in major trouble. 83 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: They could not stop Jon Robinson, who had felt like 84 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: was about to have a Saquon Barkley like day. Looked 85 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: like he was going to go for one hundred and 86 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: seventy yards. I mean, he was unstoppable in the first 87 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: half and it felt like he. 88 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: Was gaining steam. 89 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels in the offense was really off. Kingsbury, who 90 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: you know, everyone just loves and listen, he's got a 91 00:04:58,360 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: lot of friends in the media. Seems like a go 92 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: but offensively philosophically, I don't view football quite like him. 93 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: And he went through a stretch there. It's like a Cliff, 94 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: this isn't the air Raid. We're not in the Big twelve. 95 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: Your quarterback is getting fucking killed. Just run the ball, 96 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: take a deep breath, just let it settle. And at 97 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: one point in time it's like seventeen to seven, You're like, Cliff, 98 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: you can't just throw the ball constantly with the way 99 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: your quarterbacks getting hit. And it's not even like this 100 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: is a great pass rush. But Jaden was off and 101 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: it was unraveling. And then whatever happened at halftime, they 102 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: settled down and one it felt like they ran the 103 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,239 Speaker 1: ball a lot more. It felt like they just called 104 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: a lot more easier completions. Not everything has to be 105 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: a down the field bomb. And I don't know if 106 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: Jaden just settled down on the speed of the game, 107 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: but he was much more calm, cool, collected, comfortable and 108 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: made a ton of plays down the stretch, and that 109 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: final drive in overtime was was really fantastic. I mean 110 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: with his legs, with his arms. Obviously, the game winning 111 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: touchdown pass to ertz Ertz was fantastic tonight. I mean, 112 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: what a great signing. This is what happens, you know 113 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: sometimes when you restart a franchise, and then that's what 114 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: Adam Peters and Dan Quinn did. And they were gonna 115 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: rely heavily on Jaden Daniels this season, right, they were 116 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: gonna rely heavily on him. But there was I think 117 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: right before Jaden threw that game winning touchdown pass, look 118 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: who was talking to him and kind of hyping him up. 119 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: Not a coach Marcus Mariota. Look at how big zach 120 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: Ertz was tonight, caught multiple touchdowns, had another big play 121 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. Like you have to 122 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: have strike a balance when you reset a franchise of 123 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: getting grown ups in the building, getting guys. Obviously, you 124 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: need good players you can't win eleven games without good players, 125 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: and they were lucky they inherited. I mean, Terry mclaurin's 126 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: having one of the best years as a wide receiver 127 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: and they inherited him. 128 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 2: Right. 129 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: Defensively, they didn't have much. They had traded a couple 130 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: d linemen and had to kind of start over there. 131 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: But offensively, when you get Mariota, a veteran, just high 132 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: character who's seen it all to be right there for 133 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: your quarterback, and you get Zach Ertz who actually gets 134 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: to be on the field for him. You had Brian 135 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: Robinson on the team as well, but I thought Jaden 136 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: tonight and Cliff really settled down because at one point 137 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: in time I thought he was gonna throw away the game. 138 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,239 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the guy that used to drive 139 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: me bananas. Stop spreading it out when it isn't working. 140 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: You're only down ten points, seven points, take a deep breath, 141 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: run the ball a couple snaps. Your quarterback is all 142 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: out of sync. And then they did, and everyone settled down, 143 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, they come on a seventeen 144 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: nothing run and they have a twenty four to seven lead, 145 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: and Michael Pennix is you know, I think when you're 146 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: comparing these two. 147 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: Quarterbacks, You're like, what. 148 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: And I was telling Maria during dinner, like during the 149 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: third quarter, we were eating and I was kind of 150 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: describing who these two guys were, where they came from, 151 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: how they both got drafted. She was a Cousin's guy 152 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: because of on the Netflix show, and I'm like, yeah, 153 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: he got you know, Cole's cash got sent to the 154 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: bench for this guy. But he is only a second 155 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: game and in football, and it was well reported last 156 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: week he doesn't get any reps. So once Cousins came 157 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: back from the injury in training camp, he gets all 158 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: the reps. Drake London, Kyle Pitts, be John Robinson. Those 159 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: are all Cousins and Michael Penis got none till the 160 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: start of last week. Because I'm a big Michael Pennis guy. 161 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: I liked the draft pick. I don't like the way 162 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: it all came together with like signing Cousins and him, 163 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: but just in a vacuum. I like Michael Pennix the player. 164 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: But there were a ton of throws tonight. He hit 165 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: some big ones. Obviously the game tying throw that essentially 166 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: sent the game to overtime to Kyle Pitts, which was 167 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 1: an absolute dime on fourth down. But like, there were 168 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: several throws that he would have made in his sleep 169 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: at Washington that he missed tonight And it wasn't because 170 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: his arm wasn't good enough or he had shitty footwork. 171 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 2: He just missed the throw. 172 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: And it's like, well, of course he hasn't practiced with 173 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: these guys at all till fourteen days ago. So the 174 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: timing with these guys on some of these routes, the 175 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: footwork to setting up your throat to hitching and letting 176 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: it rip is just gonna be off. Why he's practicing 177 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: with a bunch of practice squad receivers, And like is 178 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: Atlanta in this spot? If he started the whole year, 179 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: I don't know who knows how it would have gone. 180 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: But to throw him in last week when coming up 181 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: was this game on the road in Washington, basically with 182 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: your season on the line, is this bad management? Especially 183 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: when Cousins had been playing as shitty as he was playing, 184 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: like he had been terrible for a while. They should 185 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: have got him in the game sooner. They should have 186 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: started him earlier in the year. Like listen once you 187 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: draft him like you got both guys. It was pretty evident. 188 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: Like a month ago, Cousins looked shot like this thing 189 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,599 Speaker 1: was over. But listen, anytime you make an investment, anytime 190 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: that you go all in on some thing, you don't 191 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: want to look like an idiot. The front office, the coach, 192 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: and they let it ride. And I think they let 193 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: it ride a couple weeks too long, because this might 194 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: not have been a close game if Pennix just had 195 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: more reps going with his guys, because tonight I thought 196 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: it was pretty evident that the timing was off. Now 197 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: that being said, he's really talented and he made I 198 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: mean that couple of those throws on the final drive 199 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: in regulation where he hit London, where he hit Pits, 200 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: I mean that felt a little bit like Alex Smith 201 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: the Vernon Davis fifteen years ago. It wasn't quite the same, 202 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: but Steve Young to Terrell Owens, you got to put 203 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: it right, like you have no room. He's running right 204 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: down the middle of the field. You got multiple defenders, 205 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: one ahead of them, one behind him, you got another 206 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: one coming across, and the throw has to be perfect 207 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: like there is probably I don't know a couple foot 208 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: radius where you can put the ball, and he did, 209 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: and then obviously Washington gets the ball and never looks 210 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: back in overtime, scores a touchdown and some men's the game. 211 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: But I think if you're an Atlanta Falcons fan, you 212 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: gotta be asking yourself, like, would this have been different 213 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: if he would have got in the game earlier in 214 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: the season, because one thing that Washington really benefited from 215 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: and you felt it tonight, because let's face it, Jade 216 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: looked terrible halfway through that game, like it's just off 217 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: and I started thinking, like, it's gonna suck. He's having 218 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: this fantastic rookie season, but million this is gonna be 219 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: the one of their most watched games of the year. 220 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: And it felt like just he and the offense was 221 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: just unraveling a little bit. It's like, God, this is 222 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: gonna leave such a bad taste in everyone's mouth. People 223 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: are gonna use this, And as the game went on, 224 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: he just settled down. Obviously Cliff did a better job 225 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: of calling plays, but his experience to lean back over 226 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: game after game after game after game, I mean, this 227 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: guy's played ever snap for him, I guess he got 228 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: injured and Mariota came in the one game, but you 229 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: know what I mean, like this guy has a lot 230 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: of game reps now in the National Football League. Both 231 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: these two guys played a ton in college. Yiden Daniels 232 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: five year starter. Pennix some injuries are factored in there, 233 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: but was a six year starter in college. But the 234 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: NFL is a different animal. It's a different speed. All 235 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: the defensive players are dramatically better. And I think you 236 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: just saw like some rust over lack of reps with 237 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: Michael Pennix as the game went on, he was this 238 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: very hit or miss throw to throw, where Jaden Daniels 239 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: as the game went on, felt like he got stronger. 240 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: Why he does this every week, but as a massive 241 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: win by Washington, it really is. And even their defense 242 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: like they do not have some stacked defense with a 243 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: bunch of Pro bowlers. And you watched as that game 244 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:45,599 Speaker 1: went on and they asked Dan Quinn about it, like, 245 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: how are you gonna stop Bejon Robinson. He's like, we 246 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: gotta get our pads down. We got to tackle him, 247 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: And it just felt like they corralled them much better 248 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: in the second half because if they hadn't and didn't 249 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: tackle him as well, and just I don't know, found 250 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: a way to slow him down. They were going to 251 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: be in major truck because you're watching the first half 252 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: going yeah, I get why they drafted him in the 253 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: top ten. I guess I get why my scouting buddies 254 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: that did Texas love this guy because he is a 255 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: physical monster. 256 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 2: Turns out he's an actor too. 257 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: But that is that was a fun football game and 258 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: if you're Atlanta, you gotta be going, shit, we're up 259 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: seventeen to seven on the road. 260 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 2: What the hell happened? 261 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: How did we unravel like that? And some big plays 262 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: were given up by their defense and obviously Jayden just 263 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: I mean one thing, one major difference obviously when you 264 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: just watched the two guys, the reason one guy was 265 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: the number two overall pick and the other guy was 266 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: a controversial even if Atlanta, any team that was going 267 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: to take him in the top ten, like Michael Pennix, 268 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: would have been a polarizing pick. 269 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: He's a pocket quarterback. 270 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: He is, I mean, he's essentially if he's gonna be 271 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: a bigger Tua, but unlike too, he's got way bigger hands. 272 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: I like him more than Tua coming out, but like 273 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: that's gonna be the style of his game just in 274 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: terms of you know, he's gonna try to get the 275 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: ball out of his hand quickly. 276 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: He throws a better deep ball. 277 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: But both those guys like he's just a bigger, stronger 278 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: version of Tua. Jayden Daniels is like some version of 279 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: like Lamar Jackson right throws a fantastic strike, Like there 280 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: were so many balls early on in that game where 281 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: he's just hitting guys like one to two ball right 282 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: out of his hand. You're like, this guy's thrown ninety 283 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: mile hour seeds. And then obviously with the running game, 284 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: his ability to make guys missing space. Defensive linemen never 285 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: have him despite the angles, and he can keep plays 286 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: alive to gain first downs pretty easily. Like he makes 287 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: a guy missing space no problem, And that was a 288 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: huge point of difference tonight. How many times to night 289 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: when they needed a big play they got him on 290 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: the edge, especially running to his right. He's really fucking dangerous. 291 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: Obviously he has the speed if he has and you 292 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: don't have an angle to get to the first down 293 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: just around everybody, But he also has the ability to 294 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: make a guy miss, and he's not new in some 295 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: crazy like Barry Sanders shady, you know, hips moving in space, 296 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: but he's kind of got like a subtle undermove where 297 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: he just goes right around you and all of a sudden, 298 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: you're just hugging air. And well, I don't know what 299 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: his final numbers were on the ground, but he had 300 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: sixteen carries. God, he had sixteen carries for one hundred 301 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: and twenty seven yards. Sixteen carries for one hundred and 302 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: twenty seven yards, so they ran for two hundred and 303 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: sixteen yards and he had a I mean he threw 304 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: for two hundred and twenty seven and had one hundred 305 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: and twenty seven. I mean he accounted for us essentially 306 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: three hundred yards, like three hundred and fifty yards. But 307 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: fantastic effort by by Jane Daniels. Holy shit, I didn't 308 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: realize he had that many yards on the ground. I 309 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: really didn't one thing with the Falcons to night up 310 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: until that final drive where I thought Pandic showed a lot. 311 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: Is they were terrible going into that final drive, they 312 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: were one and seven. On third down, he hit a 313 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: big first down to Drake London and then on that 314 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: fourth down play obviously hit the play to Kyle Pitts 315 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: and that was after remember on first and goal. Some 316 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: of these coordinators, man, they get just so cute trying 317 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: to run a wildcat. It's like your quarterback had just 318 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: led you down the field. Win or lose with a quarterback. 319 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: And if you do want the ball in Bijohn's hand, 320 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: either run a wheel route for him or hand him 321 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: the ball, but to run wildcat with him. And I 322 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: know it's easy to play Monday morning quarterback when the 323 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: ball flies over his head, but it's insane after that 324 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: fucked up fumble that they ended up scoring a touchdown. 325 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: I mean, what a testament to Michael Pennock's And this 326 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: is why I like Michael Pennick so much, because it's 327 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: very evident with Jayden, like these guys are mentally tough. 328 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: It's hard to rattle these cats. They have played a 329 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: ton that this is not one year starter. This is 330 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: not two years for k little bit usc right. 331 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 2: And it's like, God, it's just unraveling like these guys. 332 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: These guys have seen some shit five and six year 333 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: starters in college. I guess the amount of games those 334 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: two guys ran out the tunnel for in college is 335 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: pretty nuts. And you know, Pennis had been better for longer. Obviously, 336 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: Jayden whatever clicked last year, he's never looked back. But 337 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: you know, Jayden's a pretty special player. 338 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: I think Michael Pennock's gonna be good. 339 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: And I think this falls on the Atlanta Falcons for 340 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: waiting this long, like they're gonna miss the playoffs, because 341 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: like their quarterback situation was clunky. 342 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 2: It really was. 343 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: They give a hundred million dollars to a guy with 344 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: the torn achilles and then he's playing so shitty, and 345 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: then they wait a game and he keeps playing shitty, 346 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: and then they wait a couple more games and they finally. 347 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 2: Pulled the trigger and it's kind of too late. 348 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: And now you're gonna look up and Tampa's gonna be 349 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: probably playing like the Lions in the first round, and 350 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure then would be on the Lions. 351 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: And Baker Mayfield's actually playing pretty well. 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So let's it 399 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: can kind of lead us to where we want to 400 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: talk about Sam Darnold, who had one of the coolest 401 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: moments after the game in the locker room. And I 402 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: think it serves as a great example that, like and 403 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: you don't have to be NFL quarterback talent. I just 404 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: think this. Any human being can relate to this. You 405 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: are gonna go through some shitty times in life. It 406 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: is inevitable, it is not avoidable. Professionally, you are going 407 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: to have a rough stretch. Some is worse than others, 408 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,959 Speaker 1: but all of us can relate to tough times professionally. 409 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: And Sam Donald's was very public and everyone made fun 410 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: of him and it was just embarrassing. But you know what, 411 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: he just kept his head up and he kept swinging 412 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: and it never felt like he battled it like fuck everybody. 413 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: He just like kept his head up, kept swinging, kept 414 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: his head up, kept swinging. Goes last year to San 415 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: Francisco changed the course of his career. 416 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 2: Goes to Kevin. 417 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: O'Connell and is now just having a career year and 418 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: his team freaking loves him. If you're a Minnesota Vikings fan, 419 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: you watch that game to day. I mean he was brilliant. 420 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: Beside a couple passes, he looked like Joe Montana meets 421 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: Josh Allen. 422 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: I mean was he was incredible. 423 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: And I got this question that says, where does Donald rank? 424 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: Because we know in the AFC, five best quarterbacks in 425 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: the NFL are in the AFC. Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, 426 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert. Those are the five best quarterbacks 427 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: in the National Football League and they play in the AFC. 428 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: But what about the NFC, because the only two guys 429 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: I would clearly take over him right now are Golf 430 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: and Hurts. Then it's the class of the DAK love 431 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: Baker Stafford. 432 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 2: I'll throw a party in there, try to give him 433 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 2: a little love. 434 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: I think Sam Donald again, because we can only base 435 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: his success on this season. Like Sam Donald's success is 436 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: this season. You have nothing else to go back on 437 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: because it was unsuccessful before this year. So just based 438 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: on this season. The only guy in the NFC that 439 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: has an argument, and I was looking at their numbers 440 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: actually during the game is Jared Goff, who statistically was 441 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: more accurate. And I don't know exactly the touchdowns, they 442 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't be equal because GoF plays on Monday Night Football, 443 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,959 Speaker 1: but like they're having Gof's actually thrown for more yards, 444 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,719 Speaker 1: but Sam Donald is it does feel like what it 445 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: means just a fact, is more athletic. Obviously Donald has 446 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: a stronger arm, but both guys have been unreal Locke NFC. 447 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: Pro Bowl guys. 448 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: Sam Donald this year, over the course of his career, 449 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: obviously it's not even debatable, but just talking twenty twenty 450 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: four has been objectively better than Jalen Hurts. And honestly, 451 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: the gaf's pretty wide and I'm not count Obviously he 452 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: didn't play today because of the concussion, but before a 453 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,239 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, Jalen was not having a very 454 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: good season passing like, he was not throwing many touchdowns. 455 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: And it's not like he doesn't have guys to throw 456 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: touchdowns too. Ironically, today they got backups in Kenny Pickett 457 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: and Tanner McKee that are just throwing touchdown after touchdown 458 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: after touchdown. 459 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 2: If you touchdown, it was crazy. 460 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 1: But I would say this based on this season, the 461 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: only guy you would take over Sam Donald would be 462 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: Jared Goff. And here's what I know Jared Goff would 463 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 1: not be as good on Minnesota because Jared can't move, 464 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: and right now, Minnesota's offensive line is a little hit 465 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: or miss. So part of Sam Donald's success is moving around. 466 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: Like they would actually be better off. They might even 467 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: take Jalen Hurts over Jared Goff because they need some mobility, 468 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: because they couldn't have a guy that can't really move. 469 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: Jared obviously not a mobile guy, but has a great 470 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: offensive line. 471 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: So it's a good question. 472 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: I think what Sam has done remarkable and very cool. 473 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: Cool year. 474 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: I mean at this point in time, Like if you're 475 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: arguing get rid of him and go with JJ McCarthy, 476 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: like we probably wouldn't be friends. Like, I think there's 477 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: only one outcome now if we want to argue whether 478 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: you franchise, tag him or sign him to a long 479 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: term contract. Like okay, we could have that argument, but 480 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: Sam Darnold has to be their quarterback next year. 481 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: I mean it has to happen. 482 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: I mean, Jordan Love got one hundred and sixty million 483 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: dollars seventy five million dollars signing bonus, three twenty five 484 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: million dollar increments over the course. I think he just 485 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: actually recently got one around Christmas. His last pretty good 486 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: signing bonus three twenty five million dollar. 487 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 2: A little direct deposits. 488 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: They are taxed, so it's probably you know, I don't 489 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: know exactly no the Green Bay tax rates, but fifteen fourteen, 490 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: I mean it's a. 491 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: Lot of largest chunk of money. So Jordan Love's living well. 492 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: But he got that based on eight games and a 493 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: Cowboy game because he threw two picks in the Niner 494 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: game and one that ended the game for Nell. So 495 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, like at this point in time, has really 496 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: start to finish. Beside a couple games mixed into the season, 497 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: been an elite player, I mean, been a dominant, dominant player. 498 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: He's gonna be the Minnesota Vikings quarterback next season. A 499 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: lot of talk about the draft. A couple quick things 500 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: I wrote down about the draft. The Patriots are the 501 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: only team locked into a top five pick, so of 502 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: all the shitty teams, they're the only team that is 503 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: guaranteed to draft in the top five. Four teams as 504 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: of right now, this is my guy. 505 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: Field Yates actually tweeted this out. I just wrote down 506 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 2: because I love these Nuggets. 507 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: Four teams currently heading into Week eighteen have a shot 508 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: for the number one overall pick, obviously the Patriots, the 509 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, the Tennessee Titans, and the New York Football Giants. 510 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: So I got this question. I think it's intriguing because 511 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: I think this was a topic that I definitely wanted 512 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: to hit on today. Me and Colin didn't talk about it. 513 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: The Giants had one thing going for them, the chance 514 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: at the number one overall pick, and those idiots, he 515 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: didn't even use a little meaner word, go and win 516 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: the game. I'm no longer a fan. A pointless win 517 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: will cost them a real quarterback. They simply get everything wrong. 518 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: Here's the shitty part about being a fan, like you've 519 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: endured this entire season, if you're a Giants fan, or 520 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,719 Speaker 1: up until a couple weeks ago, a Raider fan, and 521 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: really the only hope you had as the season went 522 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: on was maybe to see neighbors or brock Bowers make 523 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: some sweet plays, but also keep losing like no one 524 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: is rooting for you to lose, until all of a sudden, 525 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: your record is so pitiful getting close to Christmas, there 526 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: is no point to win. So we could have the 527 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: number one overall pick, even if the number one overall 528 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: pick doesn't guarantee us anything. Here's the problem, and this 529 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: is the power of the NFL. No coach, no player 530 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: gives a shit, None of them don't try. Just know 531 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: this whenever the Chicago Bears, they have lost ten straight 532 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: NFL football games. 533 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 2: I mean, that's pretty hard to do. 534 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what the reck I guess the record's 535 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: own sixteen, But like I would imagine there's a short 536 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: list of teams over the last decade that have lost 537 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: more than ten straight games, or even up to ten 538 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: like that's that's very, very difficult to do. Just know this, 539 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 1: they have literally tried very hard, While it might not 540 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: show on television to win all ten of those games, 541 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: they have wanted to prepared, worked game planned to try 542 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: to win. And that's the power of football. You know, 543 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 1: in basketball, people tank all the time. It's the league's 544 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: been tanking well before Darryl Morey or the process and 545 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: Sam Hinky well before it became in vogue and much 546 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: more famous. But we've noticed been going on for a 547 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: long time. Think about the most controversial thing to happen 548 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: over like the last three or four years when it 549 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: comes to that type stuff in football. It was Steven 550 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: Ross told Brian Flores, I want you to lose games. 551 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: I will pay you one hundred grand every game you lose. 552 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 1: Brian Flores in a draft that had Joe fucking Burrow 553 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: won three of his last four games, maybe three of 554 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: his last five games. I think he won three games 555 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: in the month of December, and they went from a 556 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: shoe in to get Joe Burrow, who clearly would have 557 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: changed their entire franchise. Hell, they're not even that terrible 558 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: right now. They've made the playoffs the last couple of years. 559 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: They'll probably end up going nine to eight. And they 560 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: got to a who's middle of the road at best. 561 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: They could I know he didn't play today, but could 562 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: add Joe Burrow and Brian Flores and the rest of 563 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: his coaches and the rest of his players said not 564 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: so fast, my friend, And they won games. 565 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 2: Hell, they they actually the Bengals. I mean that was 566 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 2: a big. 567 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: Reason than Bengals ended up with Joe Burrow. 568 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: No, granted, they took the wrong quarterback. They should have taken. 569 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: Herbert, but everyone tries in football. Everyone tries. You might 570 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: get your ass kicked, like you might get warped. I 571 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: was watching the BYU Colorado game last night. Colorado got 572 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: their ass kicked. They were trying and they were trying hard. 573 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: And that's what you know as a consumer. You know 574 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: when you turn on the game that ideally you get 575 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: something situation like Washington Atlanta where it's a very entertaining 576 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: just back and forth. Either team could win. Like obviously 577 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: that's the best case scenario just from an entertainment standpoint, 578 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: but it's just it's a point of differentiation for football 579 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: that no matter what till the last snap week eighteen, coaches, 580 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: players are going to try their ass off. I saw 581 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: Foster Monroe, I retweeted it. 582 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: Who is on the. 583 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: Saints just went on this long, long kind of rant 584 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: about like if if you're not willing to lay it 585 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: on the line every single week, Like just get out 586 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: of this locker room like this this sport is way 587 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: too hard. No one cares, Like no, the majority of 588 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: the guys on a team are not guaranteed a roster spot. 589 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: That's where guaranteed money comes in. Coaches can get fired 590 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: at any moment, and it sucks to be a fan 591 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: in that situation. Not because Shador guarantees you anything. Shador 592 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: might be good in the NFL. He might not. 593 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 2: We have no clue. 594 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: And I mean I thought Caleb Williams all I was 595 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: told by everybody. He's like, can't miss greatest players since 596 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: Joe Montana meets John Elway, meets Andrew Luck meets Peyton 597 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: Manning meets Michael Vick, meets Lamar Jackson. You watch him, 598 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: he looks fucking terrible. 599 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 2: It's like, well, it's coaches. 600 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: The circumstances, like he holds on the ball for like 601 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: fifteen seconds every other play, so you never know anything. 602 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: And that's kind of a sneaky problem with Shador. He 603 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: holds on the ball. But and I like Shador Sanders, 604 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: but I like Caleb too, and then you. 605 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: Just you never know. This sport's really hard. 606 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: But ultimately my point is that you have to acknowledge, 607 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: like or just accept the fact that any game, no 608 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: matter how crappy your team is, no matter how bad 609 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: it is, you can just win a game. You can 610 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: just win a game because the coaches and the players 611 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: are really going to be trying. Okay, Tom Brady. Tom 612 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: Brady's performance has given me a greater appreciation for Tony Rommel. 613 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: I hate doing this because you don't become the greatest 614 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: teammate of all time. And everyone that plays with you, 615 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: obviously they revere your ability and your accomplishments. But like 616 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: everyone to a man that I've ever met that played 617 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: for the Patriots, like Tom's just a good guy. Tom's 618 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: just a legit nice dude. And it's hard. He's an 619 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: easy guy to just follow his lead, and if you 620 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: play around him, you get better. And the way he treats, 621 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: especially as he got more famous, the way he treated everybody, 622 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: the way he treats his coaches, the assistant coaches, people 623 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: around the building, like no one that was ever around 624 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: him in New England and obviously Tampa, I've ever heard 625 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: a bad word about him, like not a word. So 626 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: it pains me to do this, but I've tried to 627 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: come around like, you know, he's. 628 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 2: Just not that good. He's just not that good. 629 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: It's very difficult for Tom to just be the Tom 630 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: that can like shoot the shit with Julian Edelman when 631 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: the cameras are off, because clearly there's a different guy. 632 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: And sometimes, like my YouTube clip, will feed will throw 633 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: me something like John Madden or even like when you 634 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: see John Gruden doing these clips now for barstool, but 635 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: the same with Monday Night. He was like that when 636 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: he was Thraders, like he just that's just him. John 637 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: Gruden is just or I mean, John Madden was just 638 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: John Madden. There's such a joy to Chris Collinsworth when 639 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: he's calling a game. Tony Romo has actually kind of 640 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: grown on me. I used to think he was cheesy, 641 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: but it's like, that's just kind of him. I think 642 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: Brady goes back into like this corporate. 643 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 2: Mode, like bro, just be one of the dudes. We're 644 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 2: just trying to hang out with you. 645 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: And I think it's I don't crush him for misspeaking 646 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,719 Speaker 1: or forgetting something to me all the time part of speaking, 647 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: but the thing that it's really difficult for him is 648 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: just to be loose. 649 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 2: He's just not loose. And I thought he was kind 650 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 2: of getting it. 651 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: I remember a game like middle of the year, but 652 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: you watched him to day. I mean, today was a 653 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: big game, Vikings Packers, awful slate. It was by a mile, 654 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: the morning or the afternoon, the best game. Nothing was close. 655 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: The anticipation. I mean, it had to be the highest 656 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: rated game of the day. It was the national game, 657 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: and it's just like, ugh, it's just and I about one 658 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: of those people that are like Creig Olsen got screwed 659 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: now this business, Tom Brady's worth a lot more to 660 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: them from an advertising standpoint, from a famous standpoint, but 661 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: like just from who's. 662 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 2: Better at their job. 663 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: Greg can just be a little more normal. And I 664 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: think Tom, for whatever reason, struggles with clearly like his 665 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: life is not normal. He's Tom Brady, right, he lives 666 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: a much different lifestyle than even most like rich famous people. 667 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 2: But like he has the. 668 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: Ability because he's proven it when the cameras are off 669 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: in the locker room or on the field with the boys, 670 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: he can be one of the guys because you watch 671 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: like Julian Edelman, like he can just be himself. 672 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 2: Rober Grokowski can just be himself. 673 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: I think Tom has a really hard time broadcasting this 674 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: games just being himself. He actually said one of the 675 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: most insightful things I think I've heard him say of 676 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 1: all the games I've watched, the way that they approached 677 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: in New England. When you had three timeouts under the 678 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: two minute warning, you can elongate the drive. So basically 679 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: you take a timeout somewhere between two minutes and one minute. 680 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: You take another timeout somewhere between one minute and thirty seconds, 681 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: and you leave yourself one time out under thirty seconds. 682 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, Tom, if you are gonna be kind 683 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 1: of corporate y, at least give me some sweet nuggets 684 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: of all the cool shit you guys used to do 685 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 1: in New England. 686 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 2: But I don't know. It pains me to say it because. 687 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 1: Everyone likes him in the football world, like he's the 688 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: ultimate football guy. Then he gets on television and he 689 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: becomes like the corporate guy, and it's like, this is 690 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: We've already seen the way society shifted heavily over the 691 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: last six months. Authenticity sells. Just be yourself and it's tough. 692 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: I mean it, and I understand it's he's thrown into 693 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: the fire, but like, hey fuck, they gave you three 694 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars, right, and it does show you, 695 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: like like I'm watching these games, whether Brady calls it, 696 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: whether you call it, whether my mom calls it, Like, 697 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: it's not determining whether we watch or not. So if 698 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it, I might as well be entertained. 699 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 2: It's just not really working. 700 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna end on this because I think this guy 701 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 1: is gonna become more and more polarizing this entire offseason. 702 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 2: Big fan, longtime listener. 703 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: I started to think that Caleb discourse is getting a 704 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: little out of hand. We're not even a full year 705 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: in and we're already making declarations that Jade Daniels and 706 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: bow Nix are better players, but they all have comparable stats. 707 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: I think when trying to make sense of this season, 708 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: you need factor in everyone's college careers and their current situations. 709 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: Jayden started fifty five games and has a former head 710 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: coach as his OC. 711 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, you're right. 712 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: Bo Nick started sixty one games and as freaking Sean Payton. 713 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: Caleb started thirty seven games and had eberflus? Are we 714 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: really surprised at the quarterback with the least amount of 715 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: games started by a wide margin and the most chaotic 716 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: coaching situation two head coaches three to OC's is having 717 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: a bad season. I think that all the generational talent 718 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: talk clouded everyone's judgment. Talent doesn't matter if you don't 719 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: have the right coaching staff. Here's one problem for Caleb 720 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: and Drake may is none of their snaps in any 721 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: of the like tonight, Bo Nick or excuse me, Well, 722 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: bow Knicks against Cincinnati, Michael and Michael Pennix and Jayden 723 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: and Daniels tonight. Every snap they took tonight matter. Every 724 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: part of that game mattered. They were literally like bo 725 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: Nicks and those two guys playing to get into the playoffs. 726 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: They're playing on prime time with playoff implications. Every fucking 727 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: play of that game offensively and defense mattered. Caleb Williams 728 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: and Drake May haven't played a snap that mattered in months. 729 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: None of their shit means anything. So like when I'm 730 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: watching these guys and I put Drake here too, is 731 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: like we get so excited when they throw a touchdown 732 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: down twenty It's like, what does that matter? 733 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 2: It doesn't. 734 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: It's not in the context of the game. The game's 735 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: already out of hand. You're not gonna win the game. 736 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: You can't win the game. And I think Caleb has 737 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: thrown a lot of touchdowns an equivalent of garbage time. 738 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 1: Now some of those are in the second or third quarter, 739 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: but they're down twenty twenty five to nothing. So if 740 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: you do a bunch of throw a bunch of touchdowns 741 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: in the third quarter, and I bet if we broke 742 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: it down he has over the last couple of months 743 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: thrown a bunch of touchdowns in the second half where 744 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: they're down big. None of those throws actually matter. And 745 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to diminish his talent. He's got a 746 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: big time arm. He can but there is no disputing 747 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: you watch tonight Pennix a couple times he held onto 748 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: the ball too long as the game went on and 749 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: got the ball out of his hands. Jayden sometimes hold 750 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: onto the balls too long and then he realized, got 751 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,760 Speaker 1: to get the ball out of my hand. Caleb holds 752 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: onto the ball forever. It's like, this is not You're 753 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: not playing Arizona, and I get it as coaching sucks, 754 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: but eventually, like you're looking down the gun barrel, people 755 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: are chasing you, and guys are running down the seam 756 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: and running outs and slants. You either got to get 757 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: rid of the ball or you're gonna get sacked. And 758 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: the guy holds onto the ball like if he gets 759 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: rid of it, he's gonna go bankrupt or something. 760 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 2: It's crazy. 761 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: It is a glaring, glaring deficiency. And if that is 762 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: something you can coach out, I would say historically, I 763 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: think it's easier to change accuracy than it is like 764 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: guys that just kind of freeze up. And if you 765 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: go back to USC, he kind of played like that 766 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: as well, but he could pull plays out of his ass. 767 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: I would say it's kind of concerning. His talent is 768 00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: not concerning that characteristic. Some coach would say it's not something. 769 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 2: You can change. 770 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: And whoever gets the job, whether it's the head coach, 771 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: is also the guy calling the plays or the head 772 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: coach has to bring in an oc. They have a massive, 773 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: massive thing to fix. Drake just is just playing in 774 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: meaningless games. His team's terrible, but even he gets rid 775 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: of the ball faster. Caleb, you just have to be 776 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 1: a little concerned because you can be like, you can't 777 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: blame Evin Flush, you can't blame Waldron, like those guys 778 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: have been fired for a long time now. He just 779 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: drops back and holds onto the football. And I'm not 780 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: some hater like I would have taken him number one too, 781 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: but anyone that watches him, I think we have to 782 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: agree it's kind of concerning, right. I mean, it's just 783 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 1: kind of concerning because he does have good wide receivers. 784 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: It's just like he won't pull the trigger. But overall 785 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: it's got a chance to be a really, really good 786 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: rookie class. All these guys got a lot of talent. 787 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: But there's a big difference between having a lot of 788 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,760 Speaker 1: talent and then becoming a good player, and then becoming 789 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: a good player and then becoming a guy that. 790 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 2: You could win with. 791 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: Because Kyler very talented guy, really talented guy, freak talent, 792 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: one of the honestly just just pound for pound. 793 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 2: One of the better talents in recent memory. 794 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: Can you win Kyler Murray? 795 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 2: I don't know, Probably not. 796 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 1: And Kyler was every bit the prospect of Caleb. 797 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 2: Caleb was taller, but. 798 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: Kyler's every bit is talented. Like, is Caleb gonna be 799 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: as good as that? I don't know. 800 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 2: I'm just saying like, this is hard. 801 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: This is why when everyone was picking the Bears, I said, guys, 802 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: this shit is I didn't like think any of these 803 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: rookies had a chance. It's crazy what Jayden's done and 804 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: they benefited. Their division actually turned out to be kind 805 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: of shitty. 806 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 2: But this shit's difficult. 807 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: Like all these teams have a bunch of guys that 808 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: live in mansions and driver range rovers. Their kids go 809 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: to private schools, and they've been you know, every team's 810 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: got guys been a Pro Bowl or two. Some teams 811 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 1: have many. And this is not like you're not getting Patsy's, 812 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: even the shitty teams in the NFL. It's why, like, 813 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 1: this is not college football where it's a subjective. 814 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, we think this schedule is harder. This schedule is hard. 815 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: Even if your schedule is a little easier than others, 816 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,879 Speaker 1: it's still hard. It is hard to like, you fuck around, 817 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,399 Speaker 1: the Giants will beat you. You score around, like you'll 818 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: be tied with the Raiders. Hell, we've seen the Raiders 819 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: who are somehow drafting ninth. 820 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 2: Now. 821 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: They beat the Ravens this year, they almost beat the Chiefs. 822 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 2: Like this is you know, football in. 823 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: The pros, even crappy teams got three or four guys 824 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: on any given game, can like score a couple of touchdowns, 825 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 1: get a couple of sacks, pick the ball off, you know, 826 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: like all their guys are pros, and they got all 827 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: their coaches. You know, coordinators are making millions, head coaches 828 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,760 Speaker 1: making millions. Like they're really really trying, and the shit's 829 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: really really hard, really hard. I've seen it firsthand. 830 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 2: I was there. You know, we won one year with the. 831 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,399 Speaker 1: Eagles, but we also lost. We had Andy Reid as 832 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: our coach. Andy Reid won the division, won five hundred, 833 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: and then he won like four games, got fired. 834 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 2: Football is fucking difficult. 835 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: So to think that, like all these guys, everything's gonna 836 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,399 Speaker 1: be cool, like I don't know, maybe maybe not. I mean, 837 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: we see it all the time. Maybe he'll just be average, 838 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: because that's what usually happens. All these guys aren't gonna 839 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,240 Speaker 1: hit hell. Statistically, it would prove that, you know, based 840 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: on history, that like half these guys aren't even gonna 841 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: be on their team after like based on the last 842 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,839 Speaker 1: draft where a bunch of guys were drafted like after 843 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: the first three or four years. I don't think it's 844 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: gonna be that crazy here, but you never know, Like 845 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,319 Speaker 1: shit gets weird and gets really fast. Okay, I'm gonna 846 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: go to bed, fucking beat this cold, and see you 847 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: guys later. 848 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 2: Audios. 849 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: The volume