WEBVTT - Edwin Rist and the Feather Underground

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Dunton. Hey, Saron, I missed you.

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<v Speaker 3>I missed you too. I've been great.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I got a question for you. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 3>I do? I knew you would Ikea bags?

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<v Speaker 2>They are ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice, I love them.

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<v Speaker 2>You want more?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I have a bunch of Ikea bags, very handy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know that they make like really cool new

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<v Speaker 2>bags like backpacks and other types of stuff out of them.

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<v Speaker 2>People will take them and they've converted them. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>them at a flea market.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh really, Oh cool. So you know I do a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of mashups, and so think of the iconic Ikea bag.

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<v Speaker 2>What if I don't if id and you.

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<v Speaker 3>Just think about two iconic paintings.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you've got me. Unfortunately, go on, hold on.

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<v Speaker 3>Hold on this just in This is not a mashup.

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<v Speaker 3>What this is? This is an update. This is a

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<v Speaker 3>Ridiculous Crime update.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh hell yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So you know how I was. You're so relieved.

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<v Speaker 3>So remember I told you about the Van Go Van

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<v Speaker 3>painting that was stolen from the Singer Laren Museum. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the parsonage garden. It's been recovered. The Laughing Boys and

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<v Speaker 3>that's that still hasn't been recovered, right, But the parsonage

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<v Speaker 3>is back. Baby. There's a Dutch art sleuth. His name

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<v Speaker 3>is Arthur Brand and he like had this unnamed contact.

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<v Speaker 3>They met up. Dude gave him a Ikia bag with

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<v Speaker 3>something wrapped in an old pillow case and inside the

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<v Speaker 3>van go whoa, And so it's it. It's the real one.

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<v Speaker 3>It's basically you can track it down to that Nil's

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<v Speaker 3>m the guy that I told you about. We pretty

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<v Speaker 3>much knew he did it, and so yeah, right, I

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<v Speaker 3>was right here it is. They they still have to

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<v Speaker 3>go through like you know, all these you know, looking

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<v Speaker 3>it over and double and triple checking and what have you.

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<v Speaker 3>They're going to hand it over to the museum soon.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, so it's been recovered. We got that news.

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<v Speaker 3>The first person got it from a bunch of people.

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<v Speaker 3>But the first person did let us know, is Mary

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<v Speaker 3>Tarantino on Instagram. You Mary looking looking out So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>If you got a second, do you have a second?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you in the mood to hear something ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I got one for you, girl, I am Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, imagine two hundred and ninety nine rare tropical.

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<v Speaker 3>Birds, Okay, all in one room.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and now they're all covered in bright plumage. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a rainbow of feathers, just a riot of color. Now

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<v Speaker 2>imagine these birds and their feathers are on display in

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<v Speaker 2>a British museum.

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<v Speaker 3>I can see that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, right, totally fitting. Now, Next, try to imagine the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two year old American who would steal those rare

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<v Speaker 2>bird feathers.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, last, try to picture that same young American man

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<v Speaker 2>who's in your imagination as he sells the stolen rare

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<v Speaker 2>bird feathers on the black market in order to make

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<v Speaker 2>a small fortune so that he could buy a golden flute.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this a Hans Christian?

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<v Speaker 2>And this is ridiculous crime? A podcast about absurd and

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<v Speaker 2>outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's all with ninety nine

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<v Speaker 2>percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous ridiculous. All right, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>I have an extra wild one for you today.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad I need it.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice that shot.

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<v Speaker 3>In the arm.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I got a lift for you. This story has

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of everything. He's got rare birds. It's

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<v Speaker 2>got British naturalists, he's got one of the wealthiest men

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. It's got an American music lover. He's

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<v Speaker 2>got a thing for golden flutes. Sign me up, right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just take an element by element first, one rare birds.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know how it's not easy to save nature from

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<v Speaker 2>the ever rushing onslaught of humanity. I hate to have

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<v Speaker 2>that job. Enter the naturalist. That's pretty much their job, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is also the reason why we have

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<v Speaker 2>zoos and zoo keepers, same reason, right, and nature preserves

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<v Speaker 2>open the last resort naturalist museums, because if we can't

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<v Speaker 2>save the animal from disappearing from the natural world, at

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<v Speaker 2>least we can still look at it behind glass, at

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<v Speaker 2>memories right there it was. Now, can you imagine what

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<v Speaker 2>must feel like to be a modern naturalist like today?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they live a good life on one level, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like they get a scrabble over rocks, they get to

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<v Speaker 2>climb around ravines, they're clambering up boreal footpaths. They have

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<v Speaker 2>a great life in that they're stalking across meadow hill

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<v Speaker 2>and dale just to see an animal.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, how awesome is that it's pretty good job.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good job for you, but it does sound

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<v Speaker 3>like a job for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I don't think I could be one of them,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just want to be as a I told

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<v Speaker 2>I was one of the kids. I want to be

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<v Speaker 2>a marine biologist, right, I was that kid?

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<v Speaker 3>Dude? How many marine biologists are there in the world,

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<v Speaker 3>because I think every person in like fifth and sixth grade, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>it was HiT's on marine biologist. But then it continues.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you got people all the way into how many

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<v Speaker 3>are there?

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<v Speaker 2>Three thousand, two hundred and eighty four.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, good to know, Yeah, ok question, probably have better

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<v Speaker 3>odds of being an MLB Baseball player than being a marine,

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<v Speaker 3>but has no idea. I know you made that up,

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<v Speaker 3>and I love you for that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that you know it's close.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's just say. I'm just going to go out

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<v Speaker 3>here on the limb and say it. You have a

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<v Speaker 3>better chance of becoming a professional athlete than a marine biologists.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's just kind of humbling, don't you think? I think? Maybe?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I don't know, I know, I'm right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you're a naturalist these days, you know you're

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<v Speaker 2>living through the anthroposscene mega extinction event. Yeah, right, so

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<v Speaker 2>you're documenting. Yeah, that's fun for you as a naturalist.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I found this one guy's a naturalist. I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing research for this story. Right. I find him. He's

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<v Speaker 2>down there in Mexico trying to track down a rare bird. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>What he was all about was the Imperial woodpecker. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a huge, two foot tall striking bird, right,

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<v Speaker 2>with majestic plumage, has this really bright red crop on

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<v Speaker 2>top of its head, right, and it's believed to be

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<v Speaker 2>extinct or nearing extinction.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't really know two foot tall woodpeckers, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And the mountains of Mexico, and it was it's circling

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<v Speaker 2>in the drain of life on earth right now. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So this naturalist tramps out into the wilderness. He's just

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<v Speaker 2>to find the last imperial woodpecker. He's convinced there's been spottings.

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<v Speaker 2>So what does he find, Elizabeth. He doesn't find the bird. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>he finds a truck driver. Now this truck driver, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>real close. He was a little bit taller than two feet,

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<v Speaker 2>but he had seen the Imperial woodpecker. He'd been crossing

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<v Speaker 2>the Sierra Madre Occidental Mountains down in Mexico. That mountainous

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<v Speaker 2>region is the home to the presumed last remaining Imperial woodpeckers.

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<v Speaker 2>So this truck driver he spots one. So when he

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<v Speaker 2>saw that brightly plumage bird perch on the Durango pine

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<v Speaker 2>tree branch high above him, it's the truck driver gazes

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<v Speaker 2>up at her right there resting feet that red feather crop.

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<v Speaker 2>I told you about catching the sunlight. He slowly pulled

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<v Speaker 2>out a gun and shot the woodpecker. Get then he

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<v Speaker 2>ate it. The truck driver told the naturalists this story

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<v Speaker 2>of his Imperial woodpecker encounter. He added that the bird

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<v Speaker 2>was on the car, which are in American English. This

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<v Speaker 2>says the bird was a one great piece of meat.

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<v Speaker 2>So his truck driver's meal may have been the last

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<v Speaker 2>Imperial woodpecker we'll ever see.

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<v Speaker 3>But what kind of gun did he shoot? It was?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't. That was not in any of the stories.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm thinking, like, that's not a big bird, and

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to do a lot of damn.

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<v Speaker 2>I think like a twenty two rifle, something that a

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<v Speaker 2>truck driver would have in their trucks.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, I mean, I know you're hungry.

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<v Speaker 2>But come on to tell a hungry man not to eat.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but of all the birds he doesn't know he's liked. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>that one's the easiest to see.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just right near him. He figures out it's

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<v Speaker 2>in the trees. You know, we got plenty of birds. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this more naturalist listening to this story of the truck,

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<v Speaker 2>he's just losing. He's been dying to see this bird. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's possibly the last imperial woodpecker. And now this guy

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<v Speaker 2>they could be extend like we still don't know. We

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<v Speaker 2>still haven't seen one since this truck driver. Yeah, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the life of the modern naturalist. But let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the lucky ones, the ones that got to quote, discover

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<v Speaker 2>everything and go around naming everything. The eighteenth and nineteenth

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<v Speaker 2>century naturalists, right, you know some of the big names, Carlneis,

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<v Speaker 2>John James Audubon, Alexander von Humboldt, and al.

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<v Speaker 3>Wallace, the greats, all the greats.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well that last guy, that's just what Paul Simon

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<v Speaker 2>and I call him. We call him al Oh god hinterned.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteenth century British naturalist Alfred Russell Wallace. Hey. Now, Wallace

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<v Speaker 2>was a collector, extraordinariy. He dreamed of gathering up from

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<v Speaker 2>nature a storehouse and cataloging at all like a library

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<v Speaker 2>of Mother Nature. That's what he wanted, the greatest hits

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<v Speaker 2>of mothers, Nature's greatest works, but all of them really

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<v Speaker 2>now the scientists. He thought, I can put this collection

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<v Speaker 2>together for the benefit of all humanity. That's how this

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<v Speaker 2>cat talked to He's like all humanity, that's what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing this for now. He's super high mind, did very

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<v Speaker 2>noble view of himself and what he aimed to do.

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<v Speaker 2>But he was also very effective. Now, when I say

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<v Speaker 2>very effective, I mean like, after one trip down to

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<v Speaker 2>the Melee Archipelago that is at now Malaysia and Indonesia, Wallace

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<v Speaker 2>walked out of the jungles after harvesting get this, one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty five thousand specimens.

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<v Speaker 3>So he doesn't wait until they just the great Creator

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<v Speaker 3>takes him.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no no.

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<v Speaker 3>For guys, anthology is the hand of God.

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<v Speaker 2>Harvesting. Yes, So primarily he was gathering up butterflies, beetles, birds. Now, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>you may be wondering, Saren, why did he need one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty five thousand specimens? Why basically in the

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<v Speaker 2>wings of a butterfly, Wallace saw world peace.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh God, I told you, you're trying to give me

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<v Speaker 3>a headache.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteenth century. Yeah. So there's this book called Beauty Obsession

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<v Speaker 2>and the Natural History Heist of the Century. It's by

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<v Speaker 2>this author, Kirk Wallace Johnson. And in his book he

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<v Speaker 2>documents in great detail the story that I'm about to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you, and I will be quoting some of various

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<v Speaker 2>interviews he gave hyping his book. And in his book

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<v Speaker 2>The Writer Kirk Johnson, he concluded that the naturalist Wallace

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<v Speaker 2>believed that nature had written and I quote letters in

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<v Speaker 2>the volume of the Earth's Deep History. And if we

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<v Speaker 2>allow these things to disappear, we're essentially blinding ourselves to

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<v Speaker 2>these records. So real, high minded language. Right, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>heavy trip, but it got dude, ain't wrong, right. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a big believer in biomimicry. You know this. I fully

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<v Speaker 2>agree with al. I mean, like, yeah, we gotta look

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<v Speaker 2>at nature as our place, not as something we exploit.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, this naturalist ol Wallace, he goes tramp on off

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<v Speaker 2>to the South Pacific to study nature and birds and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>As I told you, for one of our big early trips,

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<v Speaker 2>he went down to the Melee Archipelago. While he was there,

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<v Speaker 2>he collected all these creatures he found undud you know,

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating or pretty or whatever. He ends up writing some

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<v Speaker 2>papers for science journals. He's particularly smitten with the birds

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<v Speaker 2>of Paradise. You know, the birds of Paradise. Really okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so those are his birds, not the flower, the bird

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<v Speaker 2>obviously he loves it right. In one paper that was

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<v Speaker 2>published in eighteen fifty five, Wallace wrote that quote, every

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<v Speaker 2>species has come into existence coincident, both in space and time,

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<v Speaker 2>with pre existing closely allied species. So basically what he

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<v Speaker 2>had concluded is that each species came into being through

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<v Speaker 2>a divergence with apparent species. And this natural progression, if

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<v Speaker 2>you or if you prefer this evolution, was how new

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<v Speaker 2>animals came into being. In other words, he came up

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<v Speaker 2>with Darwin's theory of survival of the fittest on his own,

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<v Speaker 2>and three or four years before Darwin published it. So

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<v Speaker 2>he sent his ideas to Darwin in eighteen fifty eight. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and Darwin was so struck by them and how similar

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<v Speaker 2>they were to his own ideas, which he had been

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<v Speaker 2>developing independently. That he showed, you know, he showed his

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<v Speaker 2>buddies Wallace's ideas, right, and he was like, look, homies,

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<v Speaker 2>look what this cat came up with. Do I need

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<v Speaker 2>to be worried about this? And his buddies, right, Darwin's

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<v Speaker 2>close homies. They're also scientists, right, So once a geologist

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<v Speaker 2>and other dudes a botanist. Now they considered this question

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<v Speaker 2>earnest and they come back to Darwin and they're like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>my dude, d we got to be straight up with

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<v Speaker 2>you about this. This guy he's got all the same

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<v Speaker 2>stuff as you. So we're thinking this, it's better to

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<v Speaker 2>keep your friends close and your enemies closer. And he's like, ooh,

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<v Speaker 2>Darwin's like, my geez, I like that, that's what's up.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do that. So I'm going to invite

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<v Speaker 2>him to publish a piece with me in my journal,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'll position it so that my ideas are up

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<v Speaker 2>front and his ideas are just like further confirmation of mine.

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<v Speaker 2>Think that'll play. They're like, that's what's up.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So, and that is what was up.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what was up, Elizabeth. That was the move.

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<v Speaker 2>So Darwin, he does exactly that. He publishes his landmark

0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.000
<v Speaker 2>book on the Origin of Species very next year, eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifty nine, a year after Wallace's entem his work. So

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<v Speaker 2>now to seal the deal for his scientific fame, Darwin

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<v Speaker 2>came up with a presentation that featured extracts from his work,

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<v Speaker 2>two previous books of his, and some of Wallace's papers.

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<v Speaker 2>So then he presents them to the Linnaean Society, which

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<v Speaker 2>is basically the leading naturalist organization of the day. He's

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<v Speaker 2>now backseatd his brother forever. Right, So the paper that

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<v Speaker 2>Darwin presents and publishes is called on the Tendency of

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<v Speaker 2>Species to form varieties, and on the Perpetuation of varieties

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<v Speaker 2>and species by natural means of selection. Quite a banger, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah right, it has it's his name, right, just just

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<v Speaker 2>liquid words, right, But Wallace's name is on the paper,

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<v Speaker 2>so it was Darwin's. But everyone still treats it like

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<v Speaker 2>it's Darwin's paper. So boom, Darwin and seals the deal

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<v Speaker 2>in the science community, and we all know it now

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<v Speaker 2>as Darwin's theory of evolution. Wallace gets sidetracked for all times. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>now right now, Darwin, he was a little decent about

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<v Speaker 2>this he made sure that Wallace won a couple awards.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets some medals, and also when later when Wallace

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<v Speaker 2>was aged and poor because he did not get the

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<v Speaker 2>scientific glory, Darwin also made sure you know that Wallace

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<v Speaker 2>is watching himself be lost to history while he's still alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Darwin got him a stipend of funds to live on,

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<v Speaker 2>so he was decent in that regard. But anyway, that's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much how gangster Darwin iced out this guy Wallace.

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<v Speaker 2>So what about Wallace? Like, why should we not cry

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<v Speaker 2>for Wallace.

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<v Speaker 3>Argentina, don't cry for him because.

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<v Speaker 2>His story isn't over, Elizabeth. He later on became buddy

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<v Speaker 2>buddy with one of the richest men in the world. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>who offered him his entire naturalist collection and create a

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<v Speaker 2>great museum to display at all. That was a good outcome.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>However, he wasn't the only one in England who zealously

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<v Speaker 2>coveted the feathers of rare tropical birds, so that led

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<v Speaker 2>to a negative outcome, which was okay. There was this

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<v Speaker 2>fashion trend going on the time, bright tropical feathers that

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<v Speaker 2>these guys in these naturalists have been collecting. Suddenly became

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<v Speaker 2>all the rage in eighteen seventies London society, right, anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who was anyone had to have some eye catching plumage,

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<v Speaker 2>something to decorate their high hat. Basically, the ladies of

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<v Speaker 2>London were like pimps. They needed all the feathers they

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<v Speaker 2>could get. They're like, give them to me, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>the fashion training creates a crime wave because they need

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<v Speaker 2>a black market to supply the ladies with the feathers

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<v Speaker 2>that they're willing to pay top dollar for. Us his

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<v Speaker 2>crime wave right and fashion trend synergy. It leads to

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<v Speaker 2>a creation of a network of feather getters m HM

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<v Speaker 2>and boom. Unscrupulous Europeans come rushing into the South Pacific

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<v Speaker 2>following Wallace, taking the same birds he's trying to take. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>they're taking him in such large numbers. They're just scouring

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<v Speaker 2>the jungles for rare feathers that are now basically worth

0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.000
<v Speaker 2>more than gold. That there are so many feather hunters,

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<v Speaker 2>and they resulted in a mass slaughter that was nicknamed

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<v Speaker 2>by the press at the time the slaughter of the Innocence.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how many birds they were taking, right. The wanton

0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.720
<v Speaker 2>bird killing got so bloody, so brutal that they eventually

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<v Speaker 2>animal rights activists, they didn't have that name with the

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<v Speaker 2>ti time. They formed the first early animal conservation societies

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<v Speaker 2>just to stop the feather trade. So this effort leads

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<v Speaker 2>to legislation in the UK. The UK bans the feather

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<v Speaker 2>trade entirely. Right. So now these same groups would go

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<v Speaker 2>on to form animal rights and conservation groups that we

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<v Speaker 2>know of. This was their first success, really, right, your people, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>So we don't have.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of these birds anymore. So that Henrietta Baxter

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<v Speaker 3>Chonkington could walk down the street.

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<v Speaker 2>And look super flea and incredible, yes exactly, so she

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<v Speaker 2>could feel some kind of way.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's also like, you know, it's not new to

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<v Speaker 3>have the beautiful feathers and items like the Chinese Kingfisher headdress,

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<v Speaker 3>which are now in bits and pieces all over Western

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<v Speaker 3>gift shops in like China, Chinatown.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have.

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<v Speaker 3>Broken up into Vancouver to which is so heartbreaking that

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, So the thing is is that the eighteen seventies

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<v Speaker 2>allowed them to be able to get at an industrial

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<v Speaker 2>scale and harvest all this stuff. As before pe have

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<v Speaker 2>been getting it. They just couldn't go take steamships down

0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.160
<v Speaker 2>there and gingle tramping off and everything they could, much

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<v Speaker 2>like the gold Rush. Just imagine it for feathers. Yeah right, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Well next up in our next element, the richest man

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. But first let's take a break and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be back in two and two. All right, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>we're back. I got more nuts for you. Yeah ready,

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<v Speaker 2>Enter Lord lionel Walter Rothschild, the second Baron Rothschild. Is

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<v Speaker 2>he an you could say so? I mean, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not. I just meant the story itself. I got

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<v Speaker 2>I got a whole bag of nuts.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought you had a bunch of bozos for me

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<v Speaker 3>to learn about.

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<v Speaker 2>I do that too. I got a I got a hole.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a bag of nuts and a bucket load

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<v Speaker 2>of bozos. This guy, he was the son of the

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<v Speaker 2>first Baron Rothschild aka Nathan, and his father was a

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<v Speaker 2>Nate magnate you know who he was. Father was an

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<v Speaker 2>international financier. This man, he'd founded the banking fortune that

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<v Speaker 2>we all still influences our world today. Right. His boy,

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<v Speaker 2>lionel Or Walter, as he was known to the fam

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<v Speaker 2>and to history, was the eldest of three kids. So

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<v Speaker 2>that means he stood in line to inherit everything and

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<v Speaker 2>become the next sigh On and so forth. But he

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of a delicate boy. So because of his

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<v Speaker 2>rather porcelain nature, he was homeschooled. And then that's where

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<v Speaker 2>he came up with his true life's ambition, which was

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<v Speaker 2>not running the family's banking empire. Instead, like Matt Damon,

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<v Speaker 2>he would buy a zoo.

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<v Speaker 3>Does he have soft hands?

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<v Speaker 2>No, he was a big dude. He's like six y

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<v Speaker 2>three and all that. Oh no, yeah, he had definitely

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<v Speaker 2>soft like butter soft hands, damp hands, moist, clammy hands. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine that. So being the son of fabulous wealthies, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>building a zoo and he can build a zoo, So

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<v Speaker 2>a tremendousuo fabulous zoo. He would have everything. And you

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<v Speaker 2>know he because as I said, he's a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>child of wealth and privilege. He doesn't have to give

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<v Speaker 2>up this seven year old's dream. He can make it

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<v Speaker 2>actually happen, right, he has to wade out his family's

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<v Speaker 2>resistance to it. So eventually the family they buy him

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<v Speaker 2>the zoo, but not till he was forty years old.

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<v Speaker 2>By then, he had made it clear to everybody and

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<v Speaker 2>in every possible way that he had no head for finance.

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<v Speaker 3>And so Daddy says, I want a zoo exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Daddy's like, Okay, give him the goddamn zoo. So they

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<v Speaker 2>bought him the zoo. Now, Walter he builds a zoo

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<v Speaker 2>right there on the family homes property at Tring Park.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's got to be fun. Like, you're one of

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<v Speaker 2>the richest men in the world. You live above the

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<v Speaker 2>lion cage that your son has created. You're like when

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<v Speaker 2>the wind shifts and you're like, we're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 2>change rooms, guys. So Walter Roschau he starts collecting animals.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, this is like having a job, right. So,

0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.040
<v Speaker 2>but he's good to his word. His aim is to

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<v Speaker 2>become like Moses two point zero, just without the flood, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So he starts collecting everything butterflies. Mosah, what I say, Moses,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, Noah, come with me animals And then sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, Noah, not Moses.

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<v Speaker 3>I was trying to save you from like.

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<v Speaker 2>The Instagram comments when I have like yeah flub yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate that I spend my life trying to avoid those.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, clearly I do not corrections.

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<v Speaker 3>You know again keep swimming.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I like that about you. Yeah, good looking

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<v Speaker 2>at huh, you know I'm back. So butterflies, moths, lizards, rabbits, squirrels, tigers, kangaroos, giraffes,

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<v Speaker 2>you name it. He wants them in London, right, He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you got? I'll take two. So you've likely

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<v Speaker 2>actually seen an image of this guy. You wouldn't think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Baron rothschildt off of site, but I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>willing to bet you you've seen him. He's the British

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<v Speaker 2>cat who used to drive around Victorian and later Edwardian

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<v Speaker 2>England in a carriage pulled by a team of zebras.

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<v Speaker 2>You ever seeing the photo of a team of zebras, perhaps, well,

0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:46.680
<v Speaker 2>he had this team of floor zebras and they'd pull

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<v Speaker 2>his coach to like Buckingham Palace, and there's all these

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<v Speaker 2>pictures of that, you know, which is kind of striking.

0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.399
<v Speaker 2>But there's also images of him riding zebras like he's

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<v Speaker 2>a British cowboy, which are just kind of silly. And

0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:58.200
<v Speaker 2>he was real big on domesticating zebras. For some reason,

0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.280
<v Speaker 2>he bred them. He crossbred them with horse says he

0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:05.359
<v Speaker 2>called the resulting creature he created a zebroid. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>due to his aforementioned delicate constitution, Old Walter Rothschild, he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't leave the UK much, not as much as he

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<v Speaker 2>would like to. He couldn't go on the adventures that

0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:14.119
<v Speaker 2>he craved. So instead, what did he do?

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<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth brings everyone to a very incompatible climate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and he hires teams of men to bring him

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<v Speaker 2>the world. He hires all these hunters, he sends them

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<v Speaker 2>out into the wilderness of the world to collect samples

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<v Speaker 2>from everything from his animal wish list. Right, so he

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<v Speaker 2>paid also roomfuls of taxidermists to prepare his collection, because

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<v Speaker 2>remember talking in the thousands for these animals, he had

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<v Speaker 2>librarians and scientists on his payroll. He had paid a

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<v Speaker 2>team of naturalists to organize and label his collections. He's

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<v Speaker 2>like a one man industry. Eventually, Walter Rothschild he had

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred thousand bird eggs in his collection, ten one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>Think of the storage space exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Just moving him around, and you had to label them

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<v Speaker 2>all anyway, and these.

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<v Speaker 3>Are just like unfertilized bird egg.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just like imagine like an Ostrich museum, just but

0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:05.800
<v Speaker 2>all the eggs. So he had thirty thousand beatles. He

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<v Speaker 2>had two million, two hundred and fifty thousand butterflies. It

0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:12.280
<v Speaker 2>was the largest private collection in the world at the

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<v Speaker 2>time by far, and thanks to my man Al Wallace's collection,

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<v Speaker 2>he also had three hundred thousand rare birds to display

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<v Speaker 2>eighty one hundred thousand. Yes. So in eighteen ninety two

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<v Speaker 2>he opens up his family's private parking museum collection to

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<v Speaker 2>the public. It becomes a wonder of its age. The

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<v Speaker 2>crowds love it. But just to make this long story short,

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty two, he gets blackmailed by a mistress

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<v Speaker 2>and he loses the zoo. So it wait plays out

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<v Speaker 2>like this. She was the third mistress to blackmail one. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So this guy his first mistress had found out about

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<v Speaker 2>his second mistress and both of them were furious because

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out he had met his first two mistresses

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<v Speaker 2>at the exact same party. It was a hell of

0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:53.399
<v Speaker 2>a swanky affair hosted by King Edward the seventh. So

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<v Speaker 2>Walter rothschild. He starts canodling with Bogrim at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they find out all hell.

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<v Speaker 3>Breaks these are mistresses, so he has one.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not married, he's unmarried.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, they are just girlfriends.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but they're called mistresses and all the press because

0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:07.600
<v Speaker 2>at no point intending to marry them. They're not. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not taking them.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think they use the term girlfriend at the time.

0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:12.840
<v Speaker 2>No, but they're not girlfriends because he's not planning on marryland.

0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:13.440
<v Speaker 2>There's no future.

0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:16.440
<v Speaker 3>Fellows have a girlfriend, they have no intention of murder.

0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:18.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're just little more delicate. I guess these days

0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:22.000
<v Speaker 2>started calling girlfriends. They're mistress. Oh this is your mistress. No,

0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:23.919
<v Speaker 2>I'm not married. I know I know somebody.

0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:27.000
<v Speaker 3>We all know where be real, honey, don't get your hopes.

0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:30.560
<v Speaker 2>So eventually threats get made by these two mistresses. Now

0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:34.000
<v Speaker 2>remember I said that, Uh, he's Walter's kind of delicate. Well,

0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:36.320
<v Speaker 2>his brother, his younger brother, has to step in and

0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:39.680
<v Speaker 2>settle the royaling embarrassment to the family. He bribes both

0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:42.200
<v Speaker 2>women with land and money for them to go away.

0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:44.920
<v Speaker 2>So then now unmarried Walter rothschild. He finds himself a

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<v Speaker 2>new mistress to blackmail.

0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:48.639
<v Speaker 3>This man can like dip his wick all over the place,

0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:50.040
<v Speaker 3>but he can't settle up, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, he's yeah, delicata. He doesn't deal with people

0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:55.320
<v Speaker 2>like he doesn't like game.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing you tell me about this man makes me loathe

0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:00.320
<v Speaker 3>him more and more.

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<v Speaker 2>Just wait. So his mistress of decades, she eventually blackmailed him.

0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:07.919
<v Speaker 2>He has a mistress he's with for four decades, the

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<v Speaker 2>same one during all of this, right, but she was married,

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<v Speaker 2>so she's married. He's not her husband and her conspire

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<v Speaker 2>to start blackmailing them. They blackmailed him for the four decades.

0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:20.200
<v Speaker 2>They just work them.

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<v Speaker 3>They blackmailed him.

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<v Speaker 2>For four decades, and at the very end they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to cash out. So they cash out at

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<v Speaker 2>the casino and they go, we're gonna go big man.

0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:30.520
<v Speaker 2>He's like, oh, come on, guys, and they make him

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<v Speaker 2>sell his bird collection to pay off their ransom. So

0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:35.720
<v Speaker 2>he has to sell it off. He sells the Tring Museum.

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<v Speaker 2>He sells the museum and then on his death it

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<v Speaker 2>goes and gets transferred to the crown and the people

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<v Speaker 2>of the UK.

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<v Speaker 3>The magnitude of like the maronitude in this we were like,

0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:48.679
<v Speaker 3>he has three hundred thousand birds. I'm like, my mind exposed.

0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:50.960
<v Speaker 3>He was blackmailed for four decades.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he loses it to this married couple that've

0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:56.680
<v Speaker 2>been working there for He loses his whole collection. Right

0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:58.879
<v Speaker 2>the museum goes to the UK. It gets called in

0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:02.840
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty seven the Natural History Museum at Train. Now

0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:05.680
<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and nine, some random twenty something American

0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.960
<v Speaker 2>breaks into this museum, rifles through the collection and steals

0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:12.399
<v Speaker 2>the long prize fortune of Wallace and Rothschild and you

0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:15.520
<v Speaker 2>know the affair couple. This all the ultra rare birds.

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<v Speaker 2>This thief, what is he after? Elizabeth Feathers us say

0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:23.040
<v Speaker 2>yes so even talking rare bird Feathers British naturalists, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the wealthiest men in the world. Before I introduce

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<v Speaker 2>you to the criminal today, I do need to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you one more thing. You ready? You ever tie a fly?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh like fishing fly?

0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Good call. Yeah, I mean someone tried.

0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:37.000
<v Speaker 3>To teach me in the past and I go, oh, yeah, totally,

0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:39.080
<v Speaker 3>you've seen it done. I've seen it done. Actually my

0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:40.080
<v Speaker 3>father used to tie them.

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<v Speaker 2>You used tod type fly. Okay, there you go. It

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<v Speaker 2>turns out there's another group in this story who also

0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:48.040
<v Speaker 2>covet rare bird feathers. The dudes and Dudets who tie

0:24:48.080 --> 0:24:50.399
<v Speaker 2>flies for fly fishing. They like to use the feathers

0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:53.320
<v Speaker 2>for all sorts of imitations of nature designed a trick

0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:55.639
<v Speaker 2>fish into thinking it's a flying insect. Right, So the

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times they once documented this salmon fly fishing

0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:01.879
<v Speaker 2>expert dude tie his own flies. He ties flies professionally

0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:05.320
<v Speaker 2>for others. He's a master tie flyer or fly tire anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>whichever the case may be. His name is Paul Schmuckl,

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<v Speaker 2>and this cat Paul Schmukel. He was quoted in a

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety profile wherein he tells the Paper of Record

0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:14.600
<v Speaker 2>that quote, we will use up to one hundred and

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:18.240
<v Speaker 2>fifty different materials, ranging from polar bear and mink fur

0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 2>to the feathers of wild turkeys, golden and reeves, pheasants,

0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:26.800
<v Speaker 2>the African speckled buzzard, and the Brazilian blue chatterer. I'm sorry,

0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:28.320
<v Speaker 2>that's just a fun list to say. I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>How often do you say the Brazilian blue chatterer.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it seems like they're like, you know, wild turkeys,

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:36.080
<v Speaker 3>they're all over the place, and we got him walking.

0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:38.119
<v Speaker 2>All over the African speckled buzzard.

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<v Speaker 3>Polar bears like please tell me you just went and

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<v Speaker 3>snipped a little off the side.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't. I'm hoping he went to the zoo. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>do you guys just cleaned up? Like sleep up?

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:49.879
<v Speaker 3>Trying to get disappointed in fly fisher people, just we

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<v Speaker 3>I always admired it because it's a very contemplative activity.

0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 3>And not only just in the tying of the flies.

0:25:57.119 --> 0:25:58.520
<v Speaker 2>I've been where a river runs through it.

0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:02.919
<v Speaker 3>Exactly. You just stand there, just a little quiet, keeping yourself.

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Imitating legs, like imitating imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>That people are yes, and I take every opportunity to

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 3>say someone's peeing their pants.

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's good anyway.

0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:16.360
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I know it's very contemplative and I appreciate that.

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 3>But now that they're just as craven and disgusting, Oh yeah,

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:23.680
<v Speaker 3>they're all breaking my main credo in life, which is

0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:26.800
<v Speaker 3>let wild be wild. I like your main that's my

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:29.480
<v Speaker 3>big thing, Let wild be wild.

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:31.160
<v Speaker 2>You have a Mary Oliver, I'm telling it. You always

0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:31.640
<v Speaker 2>about it.

0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:34.600
<v Speaker 3>Love her. But yeah, like, come on, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you're gonna hate this next part. Chief among the

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:42.040
<v Speaker 2>chosen natural materials of these fly fishermen is rare bird feathers, right,

0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:44.160
<v Speaker 2>and they are integral to a number of different fly

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:46.120
<v Speaker 2>what they call recipes that you'll find in all these

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 2>manuals that are available. But get this, Elizabeth, most of

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:51.359
<v Speaker 2>the flies these folks tie, they never actually get used

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:54.760
<v Speaker 2>for fly fishing. So at this point they're just it's

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:56.000
<v Speaker 2>it's a whole art of tie.

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:58.320
<v Speaker 3>They're in a shadow box on someone's walls exactly.

0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 2>So these ties are works of art. These beauties create.

0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:02.399
<v Speaker 2>They never touch water. I mean, would you throw Van

0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:04.720
<v Speaker 2>gos Storry night into a rushing creek, Elizabeth, No, you

0:27:04.720 --> 0:27:05.119
<v Speaker 2>would not.

0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 3>I needed to teach a man to fish.

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 2>So these flies also at this point they can cost

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 2>thousands of dollars. Would you throw thousands of dollars into

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:16.959
<v Speaker 2>a rocky bottom stream, Elizabeth? You would not. Anyway, you

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:22.440
<v Speaker 2>probably would also anywhere whole festivals dedicated just to tying flies,

0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:24.520
<v Speaker 2>not to fishing, right, just to tying.

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:27.199
<v Speaker 3>Probably find festivals dedicated to pretty much.

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's kind of rule thirty four. On the Internet,

0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:31.920
<v Speaker 2>people either gather or yeah anyway, So there are conventions,

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 2>there are meetups, There are groups rife with folks who

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:38.440
<v Speaker 2>are all they all covet the feather, right, yeah, especially birds,

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:41.040
<v Speaker 2>And just like remember those Victorian feather hunters of the past.

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:42.719
<v Speaker 2>They also kind of get into a craze and a

0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:44.640
<v Speaker 2>mania out of this all, right now, So naturally these

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.600
<v Speaker 2>folks will pay high dollar for these rare feathers that

0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:50.960
<v Speaker 2>they desire. Like addicts or junkies or funko pop collectors.

0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:54.080
<v Speaker 2>They're willing to ruin their lives in pursuit of rare

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:56.440
<v Speaker 2>bird feathers. Yeah, and you know what that means, Elizabeth,

0:27:56.480 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 2>that means crime. So meet Edwin Risk. Yes, two year

0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:02.560
<v Speaker 2>old American floutist and fly.

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:04.400
<v Speaker 3>Tying and daddiest on top of it all.

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Dude was born in New York City. Later his family

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:09.159
<v Speaker 2>moved upstate to Hudson Valley area. That's where he was homeschooled.

0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 2>At a rage around ten years old, young ed Woim's home.

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<v Speaker 2>He's sitting there, he's, you know, schooling it up. He

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.720
<v Speaker 2>sees a video about tying flies. He starts watching. A

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:19.880
<v Speaker 2>kid is in fraud, right, He's he's also he's watch

0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 2>he wants him to watch another video and another one.

0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:24.360
<v Speaker 2>He got no friends and he's got nothing to do,

0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:26.879
<v Speaker 2>and so he's hooked. He runs around his home gathering

0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:29.520
<v Speaker 2>up all these materials. He immediately begins imitating what he's

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 2>watching on the screen. He ties his very first fly.

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:34.800
<v Speaker 2>That moment, moment changes the entire course of his life.

0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 2>That one fly tying video did he happen to see?

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Is wild? Like a one random us have those.

0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 3>One moments exactly, you know, change the course of everything.

0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 2>I think every kink is based on that one moment. No,

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, seriously, how much of a life anyway, So

0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 2>his obsession with tie flying it grabs hold of him.

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:54.360
<v Speaker 2>He starts focusing on trout flies as a kid. No,

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 2>trout flies, they're kind of easy for a kid to

0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 2>tie because they're supposed to look like an ugly insect

0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:00.680
<v Speaker 2>and not like a beautiful yeah may fly or something.

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 2>So it's supposed to look like a bug. Right, So

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 2>he's able to do those and he starts to learn

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 2>as young and when risks, he starts learning all the techniques,

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:10.720
<v Speaker 2>the history of tie flying. He spreads his own little wings.

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 2>He begins to compete. He travels to fly tying contests

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 2>one and two states away, mostly in New England. Right,

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 2>and at a convention, he sees someone who's tying salmon flies.

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:23.240
<v Speaker 2>This is like Gwernica to his young eyes. He's like,

0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 2>oh so young boy, thighs are now drawn to all

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 2>this bright, strange, rare bird feathers that this person used

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 2>for this salmon fly. And there he asks, and he

0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 2>finds out there were twelve different types of bird feathers

0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 2>used for just this one salmon fly. They're all delicately

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 2>wrapped and braided around the eyelid of the fish hook.

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 2>And he stares long and hard at this salmon fly

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 2>right the colors, and he just transfix them. It's like

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 2>a magic spell gets cast. He just has to be

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 2>about this to pare for his Netchere, Elizabeth, he stared

0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 2>into the salmon fly, and the salmon flies stared into him.

0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Now evan to risk, he's got a new obsession, right,

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 2>so he books lessons with masters of salmon fly tying.

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Turns out this kid's a natural. He had a god

0:30:00.440 --> 0:30:03.479
<v Speaker 2>given gift for making imitation insects out of bird feathers

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 2>and some mink fur or whatever. Rights having to drive

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>like all around these different states. Let's go get you

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 2>those fly like you can't watch them, Like when you

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:14.640
<v Speaker 2>have a kid who's like good at gymnastics, at least

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:15.840
<v Speaker 2>you can watch some fun stuff.

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:19.400
<v Speaker 3>You're like, oh, oh, man, I would take driving around

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 3>to fly tying over a gymnastics meet any day.

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well that's the difference between you and I. Jim's stink,

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 2>the competition, the action, there's something going on instead of

0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:33.239
<v Speaker 2>like get out the ziplock turkey bag and find that

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 2>really feather.

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would go for the feather thing.

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Anyway, so guys, this is not a huge surprise

0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 2>that this guy's good. Had all of this to be,

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 2>I said, he's a natural. I remember also this, I said,

0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 2>he is a floutest. He was a virtuos too floutest.

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:51.280
<v Speaker 2>This kid Edwin is like he could play a tune

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 2>on a flute to make a grown man cry. I

0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 2>mean he's like as a kid. Apparently he also could

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 2>play metallic on his flute. I mean he was just

0:30:57.640 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 2>about it, right.

0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 3>I like to hear all of those. I like how

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:06.920
<v Speaker 3>high minded his games and activities. Kind of like a

0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 3>sixty year old man in a child wants to tie

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 3>flies and he wants to play the floor.

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know from Metallica.

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, hey, he's ste year old man.

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 2>It makes you believe in reincarnation. Anyway, as I said,

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:22.720
<v Speaker 2>he's got to get for artistic expressions. His obsession with

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 2>time flies continues to hold over him. There's one problem, though.

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:28.720
<v Speaker 2>If vund Wrist wants to recreate the recipes he's finding

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 2>in these nineteenth centuries masters of tie flyings recipe books,

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 2>he would need the materials that they had. Super rare materials,

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 2>the sort of materials that are now illegal to purchase

0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 2>laws would not stop him. Elizabeth, he had flies to tie.

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Years later, he moves to England. He finds himself not

0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 2>far from one of the greatest collections of rare bird

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:51.240
<v Speaker 2>feathers known to humanity. The idea of us come to

0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 2>him one day. He was just like, you know, I

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 2>must break into the British National History Museum. So he

0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 2>decides he's going to steal Lord Rothschild's display of Wallace's

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 2>rare birds, and if he was successful, he would sell

0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 2>the feathers to all of his fellow fly tying officionados.

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 2>He would free the feathers, because you know, that's what

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:09.360
<v Speaker 2>he was really after, Elizabeth. He wanted to buy himself

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 2>that solid gold flute. So he's planning a move in

0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 2>these feathers.

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:15.240
<v Speaker 3>So are these birds actually on display?

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Taxidermy birds.

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 3>They're not just in the storerooms.

0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Taxidermy birds on display, last case, his cabinets, the whole bit.

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes feathers like attached to a wing.

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Because I'm trying to decide how mad I get because

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking, like, if they're just in a storage space

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 3>and no one can see them, well, maybe they get

0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 3>repurposed and people can see it because they're not using

0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:37.080
<v Speaker 3>these for actual fly fishing. They're for display purposes. Wait,

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 3>oh my goodness.

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:43.000
<v Speaker 2>So he is now next to the greatest temptation that

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:46.280
<v Speaker 2>you could possibly conceive for this kid, the Natural History

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Museum at Tring. They're in South Kensington, Soliz, Yes, can

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 2>you feel them, just like the anticipation, the anxiety this

0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 2>kid must have, like, how can I get those feathers? Huh?

0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:58.960
<v Speaker 2>I want you to stay right there with that feeling,

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 2>cause we're gonna take a break afterwards. We're gonna bust

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:24.480
<v Speaker 2>into that museum. Yeah all right, Elizabeth, Yes, you're ready

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 2>to bust into this baby. We're gonna free some feathers. Okay. Now,

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 2>this museum, it boasted, the is at this point the

0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 2>second largest ornithological collection on the planet. I think the

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Smithsonian has passed it or the Naturalisty Museum in New York.

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 2>I cannot remember. I did not look up what was

0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 2>number one. But it was criminally unguarded or underguarded. Yeah,

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 2>it did have guards, but it was a rather easy target,

0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:48.160
<v Speaker 2>even for an amateur cat burglar. So Edwin brist he

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 2>does it the smart way. He cases the joint. He

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 2>visits the museum pretending to be a student photographer. That

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 2>gives him cover, right, so he's able to photograph everything.

0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 2>He takes photos of all the cases, the cabinets, every

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 2>rare bird he wants to on his shopping list. He

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:04.719
<v Speaker 2>of course, you know, he takes photos of the entrances,

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 2>the exists, all the info he'd need for his eventual

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:10.240
<v Speaker 2>break in plan right for the next seven or eight months,

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.280
<v Speaker 2>He creates his master plan, and like you, he created

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 2>a word document. He titled it Plan for a Museum Invasion. Yes,

0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:21.719
<v Speaker 2>in the document, he typed out his shopping list of

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:24.839
<v Speaker 2>burglary tools and birds he wanted, and his wish list,

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, just everything that could go right. And he

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 2>keeps visiting the Tring Museum working on his plan. We're

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 2>working up the nerve. One day he feels good to go.

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:36.240
<v Speaker 2>He's like, all my ducks are in a row. So finally,

0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:39.320
<v Speaker 2>on a fateful summer day in June, edwind Wrist sets

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:41.320
<v Speaker 2>his hest plan into motion. It was the night of

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 2>June twenty third, two thousand and nine. Edwind Wrist scheduled

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 2>to perform in a concert in London. He brought his

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 2>flute with him. He turned that concert hall out. Then

0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 2>he took a train up to Tring Park. That I

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 2>discovered his estimated to be about a forty five minute

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:57.759
<v Speaker 2>long train. Right, Okay, I haven't taken it. I don't know.

0:34:57.880 --> 0:34:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Don't jump on me if I'm wrong. Yeah, But whatever

0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 2>it is, I do know this, Elizabeth. I'm not gonna

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:04.319
<v Speaker 2>just tell you about that night. I want you to

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:06.560
<v Speaker 2>close your eyes and I want you to picture as

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:11.839
<v Speaker 2>a close You are a Victorian era ghost, yes I am.

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 2>You haunt the former home of the Baron Rothschild. You

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:17.200
<v Speaker 2>were one of the Rothschild's domestic servants, but you died

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.279
<v Speaker 2>in a tragic hunting accident. So now you stalk the

0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 2>grounds of Trink Park, specifically the spot where you were shot,

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 2>which happens to be the Natural History Museum at Tring.

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:28.040
<v Speaker 2>It's nighttime you're doing your thing, haunting the hallways of

0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 2>the museum. You hear a noise. You float directly through

0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 2>the brick walls of the building and pass through into

0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:35.920
<v Speaker 2>the alley that runs behind the museum. You spy a

0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 2>young man dragging a suitcase behind him. You watch as

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 2>he climbs up the backside of the museum. He cuts

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 2>the barbed wire meant to keep someone like him out.

0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:47.279
<v Speaker 2>With one good snip, the barbed wire springs away with

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:49.560
<v Speaker 2>the tension of the wires. The young man climbs up

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.719
<v Speaker 2>to a window. He goes up with his suitcase. Once

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 2>he's situated, he pulls out a diamond tip glass cutter.

0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:58.799
<v Speaker 2>You watch with curious relish. He tries to use the

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:01.120
<v Speaker 2>glass cutter like you see in a movie, like a

0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:03.880
<v Speaker 2>cat burglar would do, or to his mind, like a

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:06.759
<v Speaker 2>superspied James Bond guy would do. But the glass cutter

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 2>he bought online doesn't work. It fails him in that

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 2>critical moment, so you float over closer to see what

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:15.360
<v Speaker 2>he's up to. He doesn't sense you, though. Instead he

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 2>hops back down to the ground. He pulls a loose brick,

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:19.840
<v Speaker 2>then he climbs back up and smashes the glass of

0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 2>the window. Then he reaches in. He opens the window,

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 2>swings it open, shoves his luggage into the window. The

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:29.720
<v Speaker 2>suitcase lands inside the museum with a leathery slap. Meanwhile,

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:31.720
<v Speaker 2>you float there wondering if you have a new roommate

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 2>in the museum. You float back through the brick wall

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 2>and catch up with a cat burglar. You watch him

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:39.520
<v Speaker 2>as he quietly opens the glass faced cabinets and cases.

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:43.040
<v Speaker 2>They barely creak with noise. Then he shoves Taxi dermy

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:46.880
<v Speaker 2>bird after Taxi dermy bird into his suitcase. You know

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:49.440
<v Speaker 2>there's a security guard working that night. You saw him earlier,

0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:52.280
<v Speaker 2>a droll fellow of little imagination. He's not even worth haunting,

0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 2>but you know he's there. Later on, that same security

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 2>guard will say that an alarm did go off that night,

0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:00.200
<v Speaker 2>but in a different one of the six gallery of

0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:03.440
<v Speaker 2>the museum. But you, you are here, you know what

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:06.399
<v Speaker 2>really happened. As best as you can count. The young

0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 2>man steals two hundred and ninety nine rare birds from

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:12.440
<v Speaker 2>the collection. Then he exits the same way he came in.

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:14.280
<v Speaker 2>It just takes him a second or two to shove

0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:16.560
<v Speaker 2>his suitcase back through the open window and like that

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 2>he's gone. So Edwin Risk gets away with it.

0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:24.960
<v Speaker 3>He successfully steals three birds, a suitcase.

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Full of birds. So I don't know, like why that

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 2>worked for him, that was his first big bus, but

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:34.480
<v Speaker 2>it works. So the amateur cat burglar. He goes to

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:36.719
<v Speaker 2>a train station. His plan is then could take the

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:39.800
<v Speaker 2>last train back to London. But he took so long

0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 2>shopping for birds. He was like, you know those grocery

0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:45.839
<v Speaker 2>store shopping spree TV shows. Now was him in the museum, right,

0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:49.480
<v Speaker 2>It's bird after bird in the suitcase. He's dragging it around,

0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:52.360
<v Speaker 2>more birds, more birds, takes he gets so many birds.

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 2>When he gets to the train station, he's missed the

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 2>last train. So what's he gonna do now? Now he's

0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:58.239
<v Speaker 2>sitting there with basically about a million dollars worth of

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 2>birds in a suitcase at a train station somewhere in

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 2>the like suburbs of London. So he sits there at

0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 2>a train station, all by himself, just a few miles

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 2>away from the museum. He's just burgled. And uh, luckily

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:12.120
<v Speaker 2>though he's not in a part of England where someone

0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 2>would think to steal his suitcase. That's the only thing

0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 2>that works out for him.

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 3>Right, they'd be disappointed, dude, the flute player.

0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 2>Right, imagine you steal suitcase. It's kind of heavy. You

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 2>think elders is coming here, get home. It's just a

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:24.000
<v Speaker 2>bunch of tropical dead birds.

0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 3>No, not my suitcase. There's a million dollars with the

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:29.280
<v Speaker 3>stuff in there. You're like, oh yeah, what kind of money?

0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Python sketch him I in anyway, the dude, he's safely this,

0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:36.359
<v Speaker 2>this flute player safely spends the night in the train station.

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:38.840
<v Speaker 2>No cops come up to him, No strangers walk up

0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:41.360
<v Speaker 2>and say his full name at him, No one punks

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 2>him for his suitcase. He makes it all the way

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:46.600
<v Speaker 2>to dawn, He catches the first morning train, makes it

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:51.040
<v Speaker 2>back to London. He goes back to you know his place. Now.

0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:52.959
<v Speaker 2>It's the next day, June twenty four to two thousand

0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:55.200
<v Speaker 2>and nine. Police are called out to the Natural History Museum.

0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Governort has been a break in. It's a train right.

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:00.359
<v Speaker 2>The staffed and administrators of the train museum are on it.

0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:03.520
<v Speaker 2>The quickly tabulate Elizabeth the damage and lost items. Doesn't

0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:05.920
<v Speaker 2>take them long. Not coincidentally, it was all male birds

0:39:05.920 --> 0:39:07.160
<v Speaker 2>that were stolen. Why is that?

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:08.520
<v Speaker 3>Aren't they the showier one.

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:11.399
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he's not some kind of bird sexiest. Turns out

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:14.440
<v Speaker 2>that in the bird world, magnificent plumage and regal feathers

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:17.879
<v Speaker 2>are the male's domain, right They females, they get the show,

0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:20.640
<v Speaker 2>they get to decide. So the juvenile males, though, they

0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:22.799
<v Speaker 2>are too young for all that, so they're still drab

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 2>looking like the females. So this guy on his wish

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:28.080
<v Speaker 2>list a bunch of male birds with bright feathers. Right,

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 2>so the birds he took, right, these you haven't asked me,

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:32.360
<v Speaker 2>So I'm just going to tell you.

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:34.799
<v Speaker 3>I was waiting. I think give me an accounting of

0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:36.000
<v Speaker 3>what the flute tutor took.

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 2>There you are they rare katangas, the oh not the

0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:42.400
<v Speaker 2>rare yes, rare katangas, and the quetzals from South America.

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:44.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's new social media.

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Bower birds from New Guinea.

0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:49.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh, now, there's so much good footage of birds building

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:52.480
<v Speaker 3>their collections of Yeah, it's fantastic.

0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Now the Indian crows and the ever striking birds of

0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:57.759
<v Speaker 2>Paradise previously mentioned, also from New Guinea. He collected a

0:39:57.800 --> 0:39:59.719
<v Speaker 2>bunch of them. He's all about the tropical birds, and

0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 2>all of them had been collected by al my Man

0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:04.799
<v Speaker 2>al Wallace back in the nineteenth century. So these birds

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:07.680
<v Speaker 2>are irreplaceable, right, Yeah. The then director of science at

0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:09.680
<v Speaker 2>the museum, Richard Lane, he tells the press quote, these

0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:12.799
<v Speaker 2>birds are extremely scarce. They are scarce in collections, even

0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 2>more scarce in the wild. Our utmost priority is working

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 2>with police to return these specimens to the national collection

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:21.120
<v Speaker 2>so that they can be used by future generations of scientists.

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Kind of a dusty statement. Yeah, To put it in perspective,

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:26.560
<v Speaker 2>the collection was three hundred and fifty years old, the

0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:30.479
<v Speaker 2>specimens had been taken. This is basically you know, these

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 2>birds are literally priceless, like they The museum's collection represented

0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:36.399
<v Speaker 2>ninety five percent of all known living species of birds,

0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:38.440
<v Speaker 2>and he's just rifling through it. So he's damaging some,

0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:41.400
<v Speaker 2>taking others. Anyway, Oh my god, nothing else they had

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 2>been stolen except for these tropical birds. So the police

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:48.480
<v Speaker 2>are baffled. The Interdetective Inspector Fraser Wiley, this is a

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:50.600
<v Speaker 2>very unusual crime and we are keen to recover the

0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:53.479
<v Speaker 2>bird skins, which are part of a national heritage. Because

0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 2>the British keep calling them birds skins because they're taxidermied birds,

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:59.719
<v Speaker 2>there's no bones inside, yeah, exact. So the police asked

0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:02.920
<v Speaker 2>the pub look for help or assistance that they can provide. Meanwhile,

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:04.759
<v Speaker 2>back at the ranch, and by the ranch, I mean

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 2>student housing at the Royal Academy of Music. Cut to

0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:11.360
<v Speaker 2>the rare bird feathers, all right, stolen by this random

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:14.600
<v Speaker 2>twenty two year old American from the Hudson Valley. So, dude,

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Edwin wrist Right, what's he doing at this point in

0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:19.560
<v Speaker 2>his little weird criminal fairy tale that he's living in

0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:22.239
<v Speaker 2>where he's gonna trade bird feathers for a golden flute?

0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:23.560
<v Speaker 3>Does he have a roommate?

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 2>No, he doesn't have a roommates. Yeah, right, But like,

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:30.640
<v Speaker 2>why a golden flute? I'm so glad you asked to lose.

0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 3>I was wondering why a golden I look this up.

0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Golden flutes or gold flutes, they are a thing. There's

0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:40.759
<v Speaker 2>apparently some benefit to buying and playing a solid gold flute.

0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 2>So so it's not just solid gold. Yeah, So, to

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:47.920
<v Speaker 2>quote the instrument maker Suzuki, gold lends a special glitter

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:50.479
<v Speaker 2>to a flute, and the lustrous tombre of a gold

0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 2>flute has an unerring, far reaching carry even when the

0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:57.319
<v Speaker 2>instrument is played pianissimo. It's allure probably makes it the

0:41:57.480 --> 0:42:01.239
<v Speaker 2>last word in flutes, so he wants that last word, right,

0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:03.960
<v Speaker 2>So how much would the last word and flutes cost?

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:04.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a good question.

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:07.200
<v Speaker 2>I look this up for you. They range between twenty

0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:09.000
<v Speaker 2>five thousand and one hundred grand.

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:12.160
<v Speaker 3>Wow. And it's not just to be flashy.

0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:15.960
<v Speaker 2>No, there's also solid platinum flutes. They're even more expensive,

0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:18.440
<v Speaker 2>which makes no sense because I can't imagine solid platinum

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:20.879
<v Speaker 2>sounds better than gold AND's gold like atomically makes more

0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:22.080
<v Speaker 2>sense as a perfect element.

0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:24.240
<v Speaker 3>But whatever, Well, people love the platinum.

0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:25.719
<v Speaker 2>I know it just seems like you get platinum because

0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 2>it's pretentious, not because he's going to do anything music.

0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:29.480
<v Speaker 2>But whatever, what do I know? I'm not a floutist.

0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:32.120
<v Speaker 2>So the time of the theft, Edwin Rist was twenty

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:34.960
<v Speaker 2>years old. Now it's fifteen months later, he's twenty two

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:36.960
<v Speaker 2>years old. I know you're wondering, how could that be.

0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 2>It's because we missed a birthday or two.

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:39.120
<v Speaker 3>We missed two birthdays.

0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:41.759
<v Speaker 2>Right, So he's studying flute at the London Royal Academy

0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:44.719
<v Speaker 2>of Music. Did he have his golden flute? Well, he

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:46.680
<v Speaker 2>was trying to get that amount saved up. Right after

0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:48.920
<v Speaker 2>he'd successfully robbed the train museum, he took all they

0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:51.120
<v Speaker 2>told you, the two hundred and ninety nine bird skins.

0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:54.520
<v Speaker 2>He starts processing them. He's clipping off the identification tags,

0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:58.000
<v Speaker 2>decoupling the birds from all that inventory, like that indexing system.

0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:00.760
<v Speaker 2>So all the scientific research is now null and void.

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:03.000
<v Speaker 2>And when he went to where he could sell bird

0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:05.239
<v Speaker 2>feathers on the black market, he knew where he could

0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:06.719
<v Speaker 2>find and connect with what I'm going to call the

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:11.760
<v Speaker 2>feather underground. So that's my generalized nickname for the modern

0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 2>feather hunters, collectors, dealers. Did anyone who buys, sells, or

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:16.480
<v Speaker 2>covets rare bird feathers? Elizabeth?

0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 3>Well?

0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:19.720
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, this black market, the feather underground, primarily it's composed

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:21.240
<v Speaker 2>of fly tying fishermen.

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:21.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the folks who desired the brightly colored tropical feathers,

0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:26.640
<v Speaker 2>they were the ones who paid top dollars, so they

0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:28.919
<v Speaker 2>really moved the market, right, So they are also willing

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 2>to pay on something that's either extinct or endangered or

0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:35.439
<v Speaker 2>stolen or why not two of three? Yeah, So Edwin

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:39.320
<v Speaker 2>the now twenty two year old flute virtuoso. He's studying

0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 2>at the London Royal Academy of Music, so real, like,

0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:44.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, congrats to his parents. Yeah, he spends his

0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:48.160
<v Speaker 2>nights tying flies made from his stolen bird feathers. And

0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 2>get this, Elizabeth, you were to drop Edwin in a

0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:52.359
<v Speaker 2>stream with a rod and some flies, he'd have no

0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:54.640
<v Speaker 2>idea what to do. He doesn't know how to fly fish.

0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:56.920
<v Speaker 2>He's never been fly fishing. He doesn't fly. He doesn't

0:43:56.920 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 2>fish period. Right, apparently this is very common for expert

0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:04.240
<v Speaker 2>tie flyers or fly tires rather, especially amongst the salmon

0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:07.839
<v Speaker 2>fly tying community. Anyway, so no fishing, Edwin. He's down

0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:10.560
<v Speaker 2>there spending all of his night's tying flies, and it's

0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:14.000
<v Speaker 2>tossing him into large ziplock bags. He crammed ziplock bags

0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 2>filled with thousands of flies that he ties in this

0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:18.000
<v Speaker 2>twelve or fifteen month period.

0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:18.520
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:21.480
<v Speaker 2>So, anyway, kids, who's sitting down that day happened to

0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:23.839
<v Speaker 2>see a fly tying video has now shaped his life.

0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Or he's sitting there alone in London tying flies every night,

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 2>dreaming of his golden flute. Right, and he's plucking feathers

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:32.120
<v Speaker 2>from this rare bird collection and so he does this

0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:33.799
<v Speaker 2>for more than a year. I said, he's plucking, he's

0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:36.920
<v Speaker 2>tye in, he's plucking some more. Edwin's sitting there alone. Boom.

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:39.160
<v Speaker 2>It was like, also, I forgot to mention when he's

0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:41.920
<v Speaker 2>not doing that, he's ritualistically playing flute. So he's just

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:45.000
<v Speaker 2>either playing flute because he's you know, virtuoso, or he's

0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:47.879
<v Speaker 2>tying flies. That's all he's doing. He's just obsessed, all right.

0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:51.480
<v Speaker 2>So he stuffs multiple ziplock bags filled with thousands of

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:54.359
<v Speaker 2>delicate salmon flies. He manages to sell some online mini

0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:57.000
<v Speaker 2>In fact, he makes money, a bunch of money for sure.

0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 2>And now where do you think he was selling these

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 2>stolen feathers? I told you who you're selling them to

0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:05.239
<v Speaker 2>and in the feather underground. But where do you think that?

0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:08.160
<v Speaker 3>Where do you think he found geographically?

0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:09.480
<v Speaker 2>We'tre's go with where? Online?

0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 3>eBay?

0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he was selling them on eBay. He was just

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:16.120
<v Speaker 2>listing and selling the rare bird feathers all out in

0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:19.520
<v Speaker 2>the open as whole skins or tide flies on eBay,

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.239
<v Speaker 2>also in fly tying forums. It worked for a while.

0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:24.319
<v Speaker 2>He was able to he found four buyers. He moved

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:27.800
<v Speaker 2>about seventeen thousand dollars worth of bird skins and flies.

0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Then things went awry. Someone got suspicious, someone went to

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:33.000
<v Speaker 2>the police. They reported him. Didn't take long for the

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:35.640
<v Speaker 2>bobbies to find him because he hadn't hidden his IP address.

0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:37.600
<v Speaker 2>He's just using eBay, so they just went right to

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:40.760
<v Speaker 2>his student housing apartment. Knock, knock, knock. He gets arrested

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:43.760
<v Speaker 2>November twelve, twenty ten. When the police search his apartment,

0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 2>what do they find? They find one hundred and seventy

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:48.280
<v Speaker 2>four of the two hundred and ninety nine stolen birds.

0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:50.920
<v Speaker 2>They're like, how many ties have you been tying?

0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:51.239
<v Speaker 3>Man?

0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:53.440
<v Speaker 2>So up about one hundred and seventy four. Only one

0:45:53.480 --> 0:45:56.240
<v Speaker 2>hundred and two were still tagged and labeled. The remaining

0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 2>seventy two weren't there. Just all out. The museum puts

0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:00.640
<v Speaker 2>out a request and they asked in anyone who bought

0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:03.319
<v Speaker 2>one of his stolen birds please return them. No questions asked,

0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:05.560
<v Speaker 2>We just really want the birds, bask Can you guess

0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:07.919
<v Speaker 2>how many of these outstanding birds were sent back?

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:12.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna say zero nineteen, oh wow, which calculates out

0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:14.840
<v Speaker 3>to be six percent of the missing birds from the

0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:15.600
<v Speaker 3>Train Museum.

0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:19.040
<v Speaker 2>So they got six. Yeah, so there's a few good

0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:20.880
<v Speaker 2>people or maybe one who bought a lot, I don't know.

0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 2>Nineteen So anyway, guys, with the number of birds that

0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:26.960
<v Speaker 2>were returned into flies and stuffed into zip lock bags,

0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:29.520
<v Speaker 2>can we guess how many that was? The police estimated

0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:32.760
<v Speaker 2>it as sixty four birds returned into flies.

0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:34.360
<v Speaker 3>Sixty birds birds.

0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So he gets arrested, interrogated, and because he's not

0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:40.560
<v Speaker 2>a hardened criminal, Edwin Wrist he confesses to everything and

0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:43.200
<v Speaker 2>that just leaves his trial now because he is me right.

0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:45.719
<v Speaker 2>So his defense attorney, admittedly though, just still wanted to

0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:47.640
<v Speaker 2>fight something. He doesn't have much to work with, but

0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:50.160
<v Speaker 2>he still decides to try to like get something. So

0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:52.960
<v Speaker 2>the defense attorney works his butt off and the dude's sharp.

0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:55.759
<v Speaker 2>He argued that his client, Edwin Risk, engaged in impulsive

0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:59.000
<v Speaker 2>and amateurish actions, to be sure, in a vain attempt

0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:02.040
<v Speaker 2>at living out his James Bond fantasies. Blah blah blah.

0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Then the attorney he argued that his client had spent

0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:06.280
<v Speaker 2>a few weeks, just to me, a few weeks planning

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:09.680
<v Speaker 2>this job, and he was a boy playing at cat burglar.

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:12.240
<v Speaker 2>The lawyer tried to downplay the value of the stolen

0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:14.680
<v Speaker 2>rare bird Feather's what science can be done with three

0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:17.600
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty year old feathers? Right? So Risk, at

0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:19.400
<v Speaker 2>some point he's like really proud of his lawyer for

0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:21.640
<v Speaker 2>just going after the court. Right. He tells Kirk Johnson,

0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 2>the author of the book, quote, my lawyer said, let's

0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:26.799
<v Speaker 2>face it, the tring is a dusty old dump, and

0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:29.920
<v Speaker 2>he was exactly right. What Yeah, so they just go

0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:30.719
<v Speaker 2>on the attack. Right.

0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:35.040
<v Speaker 3>So he's got James Bond. Yeah, there's nothing, says James Bond,

0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:39.840
<v Speaker 3>more than tying flies and playing the flute by yourself.

0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:41.280
<v Speaker 2>To break a window.

0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:47.760
<v Speaker 3>Very James Bond, Yeah, exactly, it's just one Bond woman

0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:48.319
<v Speaker 3>after another.

0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:52.000
<v Speaker 2>He just needs a Bond woman and then boom birds.

0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow. So his lawyer, rather solicitor, argued in court

0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:57.839
<v Speaker 2>that the purported scientific value of the feather had been

0:47:57.880 --> 0:48:00.359
<v Speaker 2>lost to the dustiness of the tring. Right, and Risk

0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:02.200
<v Speaker 2>tells the court all the scientific data that can be

0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:05.160
<v Speaker 2>extracted from the skins it has been extracted. So Risk

0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 2>is on the attack right now. Remember this dude's an

0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:09.520
<v Speaker 2>amateur bird lover, no scientist, just a flute player. But

0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:12.680
<v Speaker 2>he's out there talking about scientific value. Anyway, prosecution, they

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:15.600
<v Speaker 2>countery story. They go after him and they show that

0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:18.240
<v Speaker 2>Eben Risk has been planning his burglary for fifteen months.

0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:20.360
<v Speaker 2>They showed that he contacted the museum by posing to

0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:23.360
<v Speaker 2>someone else in emails. Then there was his purchase record.

0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:25.759
<v Speaker 2>They showed in the months or the month rather before

0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:28.120
<v Speaker 2>they break in, Van Rist bought a glass cutter. Then

0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:30.399
<v Speaker 2>they showed the box of moth balls that he bought.

0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Then also he bought, oh, by the way, fifteen hundred

0:48:32.480 --> 0:48:36.120
<v Speaker 2>ziplock bags. So finally he also bought a lock I'm

0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:38.359
<v Speaker 2>guessing a padlock that he planned to secure his door

0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:40.680
<v Speaker 2>with because he had his you know, fortune and rare

0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:43.080
<v Speaker 2>bird feathers he wanted to secure and he didn't want

0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:44.680
<v Speaker 2>some punk twenty two year old to come along and

0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:48.560
<v Speaker 2>steel his feather forteen Yeah, So as the scientific value

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:50.640
<v Speaker 2>of the stolen bird skins and rare bird feathers, the

0:48:50.680 --> 0:48:54.240
<v Speaker 2>collection had been used for climate research. So these feathers

0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:57.520
<v Speaker 2>from seabirds had been documented a rise in heavy metal pollutants.

0:48:57.520 --> 0:49:00.000
<v Speaker 2>They used it to prove the DDT was on the rise. Basically,

0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:02.880
<v Speaker 2>some real science was done. The naturalists. My man al Wallace.

0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:05.960
<v Speaker 2>He would have been happy about that. Yeah, probably, you know,

0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:09.200
<v Speaker 2>much happier than at Lisa's collection being turned into flies. Anyway,

0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:11.840
<v Speaker 2>So Edwin Risks, he pleads guilty on charges of burglary

0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:16.080
<v Speaker 2>money laundering. Then comes sentencing oh Man. Sentencing, the defense

0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:19.560
<v Speaker 2>attorney introduced their star expert witness as psychologists who happened

0:49:19.560 --> 0:49:23.560
<v Speaker 2>to be Sasha Baron Cohen's cousin. So yeah, so they

0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:26.920
<v Speaker 2>have this psychologists evaluate Edwind Risk, and Sasha Baron Cohen's

0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:29.799
<v Speaker 2>cousin convinces the court that's a lot of seas that

0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Edwin Rist had Asperger syndrome and his James Bond fantasies.

0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:34.920
<v Speaker 2>He's got him carried away, and believe it or not,

0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:37.680
<v Speaker 2>the court goes for it. They sentenced Edwin Risk to

0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:41.080
<v Speaker 2>time served in a fine. He's out free. As for

0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:45.120
<v Speaker 2>the Asperger syndrome diagnosis, Elizabeth, Yeah, the author Kirk Johnson

0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:47.439
<v Speaker 2>called him out on it. He asked Edwin Risk point

0:49:47.480 --> 0:49:50.120
<v Speaker 2>blank about this diagnosis and the only interview this dude

0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:53.080
<v Speaker 2>has done this, you know, about the burglary. Kirk Johnson recalled,

0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:56.120
<v Speaker 2>and I quote, around the five or six hour mark

0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:57.839
<v Speaker 2>of my interview with Edwin I said, I don't want

0:49:57.840 --> 0:49:59.640
<v Speaker 2>to sound like a jerk, and I'm not an expert

0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:01.960
<v Speaker 2>in it. You don't seem like you have asked Bergers.

0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:06.320
<v Speaker 2>You're not avoiding eye contact. You're clearly reading the subtext

0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:08.759
<v Speaker 2>of my questions. I'm paraphrasing what he told me that

0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:12.800
<v Speaker 2>he became what he needed to become during that phase

0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:15.160
<v Speaker 2>in his life, that he'd never had any issues with

0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:17.560
<v Speaker 2>eye contact before since, but that all of a sudden

0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:20.440
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't look in people's eyes, started rocking back and

0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:22.960
<v Speaker 2>forth and hiked his voice up in octave. To me,

0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:25.799
<v Speaker 2>it was clear that he had gained the system. He

0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:28.840
<v Speaker 2>never spent a night in jail, graduated from the Royal Academy,

0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:32.400
<v Speaker 2>and today plays the flute with orchestras throughout Germany, albeit

0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:36.440
<v Speaker 2>under a different name. Now, wow, he did have to

0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:38.560
<v Speaker 2>pay one hundred and twenty five and one hundred and

0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:41.279
<v Speaker 2>fifty pounds. That's how much he made in total once

0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:43.880
<v Speaker 2>they tabulated it all from selling rare birds on eBay

0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:46.880
<v Speaker 2>and the fly fishing forums, a lot of money. And

0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:49.440
<v Speaker 2>then also his fine was thirteen thousand, three hundred and

0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:51.520
<v Speaker 2>seventy one pounds. He had to pay that in six

0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:53.600
<v Speaker 2>months time, or else he'd have to turn himself in

0:50:54.120 --> 0:50:56.880
<v Speaker 2>for his totally restored twelve months sentence, and he'd had

0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:59.000
<v Speaker 2>to do the full twelve months. Of course he paid

0:50:59.040 --> 0:51:01.960
<v Speaker 2>the fine. Yeah, served no time. But did he get

0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:06.080
<v Speaker 2>that golden flute? Did he get what he was after, Elizabeth? No,

0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:09.400
<v Speaker 2>he didn't enough rare birds to buy his golden float,

0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:12.120
<v Speaker 2>thank god. But that said, if you check YouTube, which

0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:14.560
<v Speaker 2>I did, you can find him jamming out on what

0:51:14.680 --> 0:51:17.080
<v Speaker 2>looks like a golden flute. But I don't know. I'm

0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:19.560
<v Speaker 2>not a golden floutist. I do know this, Elizabeth. He

0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:21.799
<v Speaker 2>has a new name, and unlike the author, I'll tell

0:51:21.800 --> 0:51:24.560
<v Speaker 2>you what it is. His new name is Edwin Reinhardt

0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:27.279
<v Speaker 2>and he has that YouTube Jamli told you about where

0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:29.040
<v Speaker 2>if you want, you can find him playing his heavy

0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:33.960
<v Speaker 2>metal flute rendition of Metallica's Master of Puppets. He pulls

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:37.160
<v Speaker 2>the strings baby, yeah right, So go to at heavy

0:51:37.200 --> 0:51:40.920
<v Speaker 2>metal flute on YouTube. There are five videos on his page.

0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:43.399
<v Speaker 2>One is of a Game of Thrones theme song cover.

0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:45.000
<v Speaker 2>There's a Lord of the Rings cover. I think it's

0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:48.879
<v Speaker 2>a misty mountain cold yeah, but he's not very active there.

0:51:48.880 --> 0:51:50.640
<v Speaker 2>The last video he posted was five years ago, so

0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:53.720
<v Speaker 2>don't expect new content. So Elizabeth, what's our ridiculous takeaway

0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:54.399
<v Speaker 2>after all of that?

0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:58.799
<v Speaker 3>That wild be wild? That's my takeaway, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>that's like I can see if you're sort of scavenging

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<v Speaker 3>things that in nature that have already passed and don't

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<v Speaker 3>have that like you're saying the scientific value. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>once these guys have in the past stolen all the birds,

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<v Speaker 3>we can't go back and unsteal and then kill the

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<v Speaker 3>birds today. Like if you're building these these flies first

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<v Speaker 3>of all, to be a poser and not actually know

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<v Speaker 3>how to fly fish, Like, wouldn't you need to know somehow,

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<v Speaker 3>like how you would anticipate them sort of dancing on.

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<v Speaker 2>The decontextualize it to the point that it is its

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<v Speaker 2>own standalone elements.

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<v Speaker 3>That's idiotic. But like I mean, I used to have

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<v Speaker 3>a in my house, a mantle piece that I called

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<v Speaker 3>my mantle Piece of Curiosities. It's just all stuff that

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<v Speaker 3>I found like on walks and like you know, dead

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<v Speaker 3>dragonflies and like feathers, girl skulls. Yeah yeah, but you

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<v Speaker 3>know those are the kinds of things like cool shells,

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<v Speaker 3>and but it's always something that you take and you're

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<v Speaker 3>not damaging your environment to take.

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<v Speaker 2>It away, and you're just acting as an animal.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Much like a bower bird, you're just it was my power.

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<v Speaker 3>Let wild be wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my ridiculus take away once again, and thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for asking I anyway, I'll just tell it to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Unlike most of the burglars would get away with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like this cat.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I don't like him because he.

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<v Speaker 2>Steals birds and he stole science and he didn't he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't steal it from money or for diamonds. If he

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<v Speaker 2>would have stole money of diamonds, would have been cool

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<v Speaker 2>with it, like I would have had no problem. But

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<v Speaker 2>he stole science, he stole birds, and I'm just ain't

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<v Speaker 2>cool with it. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>My instinct is like whack, he blew it. Man. He

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<v Speaker 3>could have been like every parent's dream of, like a

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<v Speaker 3>kid who just like does really well and has these

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<v Speaker 3>great you know, and then he goes off to a

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<v Speaker 3>music conservatory school, Like come on, I don't like him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's all I got for you.

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