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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dunton. Hey, Saron, I missed you.

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Speaker 3: I missed you too. I've been great.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I got a question for you. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I do? I knew you would Ikea bags?

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Speaker 2: They are ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Nice, I love them.

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Speaker 2: You want more?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I have a bunch of Ikea bags, very handy. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you know that they make like really cool new

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Speaker 2: bags like backpacks and other types of stuff out of them.

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Speaker 2: People will take them and they've converted them. I saw

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Speaker 2: them at a flea market.

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Speaker 3: Oh really, Oh cool. So you know I do a

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Speaker 3: lot of mashups, and so think of the iconic Ikea bag.

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Speaker 2: What if I don't if id and you.

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Speaker 3: Just think about two iconic paintings.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you've got me. Unfortunately, go on, hold on.

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Speaker 3: Hold on this just in This is not a mashup.

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Speaker 3: What this is? This is an update. This is a

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous Crime update.

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Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So you know how I was. You're so relieved.

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Speaker 3: So remember I told you about the Van Go Van

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Speaker 3: painting that was stolen from the Singer Laren Museum. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the parsonage garden. It's been recovered. The Laughing Boys and

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Speaker 3: that's that still hasn't been recovered, right, But the parsonage

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Speaker 3: is back. Baby. There's a Dutch art sleuth. His name

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Speaker 3: is Arthur Brand and he like had this unnamed contact.

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Speaker 3: They met up. Dude gave him a Ikia bag with

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Speaker 3: something wrapped in an old pillow case and inside the

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Speaker 3: van go whoa, And so it's it. It's the real one.

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Speaker 3: It's basically you can track it down to that Nil's

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Speaker 3: m the guy that I told you about. We pretty

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Speaker 3: much knew he did it, and so yeah, right, I

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Speaker 3: was right here it is. They they still have to

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Speaker 3: go through like you know, all these you know, looking

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Speaker 3: it over and double and triple checking and what have you.

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Speaker 3: They're going to hand it over to the museum soon.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, so it's been recovered. We got that news.

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Speaker 3: The first person got it from a bunch of people.

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Speaker 3: But the first person did let us know, is Mary

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Speaker 3: Tarantino on Instagram. You Mary looking looking out So yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: If you got a second, do you have a second?

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Speaker 2: Are you in the mood to hear something ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Because I got one for you, girl, I am Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, imagine two hundred and ninety nine rare tropical.

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Speaker 3: Birds, Okay, all in one room.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and now they're all covered in bright plumage. It's

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Speaker 2: a rainbow of feathers, just a riot of color. Now

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Speaker 2: imagine these birds and their feathers are on display in

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Speaker 2: a British museum.

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Speaker 3: I can see that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, right, totally fitting. Now, Next, try to imagine the

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Speaker 2: twenty two year old American who would steal those rare

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Speaker 2: bird feathers.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Now, last, try to picture that same young American man

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Speaker 2: who's in your imagination as he sells the stolen rare

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Speaker 2: bird feathers on the black market in order to make

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Speaker 2: a small fortune so that he could buy a golden flute.

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Speaker 3: Is this a Hans Christian?

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Speaker 2: And this is ridiculous crime? A podcast about absurd and

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Speaker 2: outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's all with ninety nine

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Speaker 2: percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous ridiculous. All right, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: I have an extra wild one for you today.

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad I need it.

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Speaker 2: Nice that shot.

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Speaker 3: In the arm.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I got a lift for you. This story has

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Speaker 2: a little bit of everything. He's got rare birds. It's

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Speaker 2: got British naturalists, he's got one of the wealthiest men

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Speaker 2: got a thing for golden flutes. Sign me up, right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's just take an element by element first, one rare birds.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right.

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Speaker 2: You know how it's not easy to save nature from

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Speaker 2: the ever rushing onslaught of humanity. I hate to have

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Speaker 2: that job. Enter the naturalist. That's pretty much their job, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is also the reason why we have

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Speaker 2: zoos and zoo keepers, same reason, right, and nature preserves

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Speaker 2: open the last resort naturalist museums, because if we can't

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Speaker 2: save the animal from disappearing from the natural world, at

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Speaker 2: least we can still look at it behind glass, at

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Speaker 2: memories right there it was. Now, can you imagine what

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Speaker 2: must feel like to be a modern naturalist like today?

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Speaker 2: I mean, they live a good life on one level, right,

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Speaker 2: Like they get a scrabble over rocks, they get to

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Speaker 2: climb around ravines, they're clambering up boreal footpaths. They have

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Speaker 3: I mean, how awesome is that it's pretty good job.

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Speaker 3: That's a good job for you, but it does sound

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't think I could be one of them,

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Speaker 2: and I just want to be as a I told

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Speaker 2: I was one of the kids. I want to be

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Speaker 2: a marine biologist, right, I was that kid?

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Speaker 3: Dude? How many marine biologists are there in the world,

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Speaker 3: because I think every person in like fifth and sixth grade, Yes,

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Speaker 3: it was HiT's on marine biologist. But then it continues.

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Speaker 3: Then you got people all the way into how many

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Speaker 2: Three thousand, two hundred and eighty four.

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Speaker 3: Okay, good to know, Yeah, ok question, probably have better

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Speaker 3: odds of being an MLB Baseball player than being a marine,

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Speaker 3: but has no idea. I know you made that up,

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Speaker 3: and I love you for that.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that you know it's close.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's just say. I'm just going to go out

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Speaker 3: better chance of becoming a professional athlete than a marine biologists.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's just kind of humbling, don't you think? I think? Maybe?

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Speaker 3: Right, I don't know, I know, I'm right.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you're a naturalist these days, you know you're

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Speaker 2: living through the anthroposscene mega extinction event. Yeah, right, so

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Speaker 2: you're documenting. Yeah, that's fun for you as a naturalist.

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Speaker 2: Now I found this one guy's a naturalist. I was

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Speaker 2: doing research for this story. Right. I find him. He's

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Speaker 2: down there in Mexico trying to track down a rare bird. Right.

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Speaker 2: What he was all about was the Imperial woodpecker. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is a huge, two foot tall striking bird, right,

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Speaker 3: They don't really know two foot tall woodpeckers, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And the mountains of Mexico, and it was it's circling

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Speaker 2: So this naturalist tramps out into the wilderness. He's just

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Speaker 2: So what does he find, Elizabeth. He doesn't find the bird. Instead,

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Speaker 2: So this truck driver he spots one. So when he

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Speaker 2: I told you about catching the sunlight. He slowly pulled

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Speaker 2: out a gun and shot the woodpecker. Get then he

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Speaker 2: ate it. The truck driver told the naturalists this story

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Speaker 2: of his Imperial woodpecker encounter. He added that the bird

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Speaker 2: So his truck driver's meal may have been the last

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Speaker 3: But what kind of gun did he shoot? It was?

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Speaker 2: I didn't. That was not in any of the stories.

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Speaker 3: So I'm thinking, like, that's not a big bird, and

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Speaker 3: you're going to do a lot of damn.

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Speaker 2: I think like a twenty two rifle, something that a

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I mean, I know you're hungry.

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Speaker 2: But come on to tell a hungry man not to eat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but of all the birds he doesn't know he's liked. Well,

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Speaker 2: It was just right near him. He figures out it's

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Speaker 2: in the trees. You know, we got plenty of birds. Now,

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Speaker 2: he's just losing. He's been dying to see this bird. Right,

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Speaker 2: it's possibly the last imperial woodpecker. And now this guy

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Speaker 2: they could be extend like we still don't know. We

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Speaker 2: the life of the modern naturalist. But let's talk about

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Speaker 3: Wallace, the greats, all the greats.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that last guy, that's just what Paul Simon

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Speaker 2: and I call him. We call him al Oh god hinterned.

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Speaker 2: Nineteenth century British naturalist Alfred Russell Wallace. Hey. Now, Wallace

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Speaker 2: was a collector, extraordinariy. He dreamed of gathering up from

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Speaker 2: now the scientists. He thought, I can put this collection

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Speaker 2: But he was also very effective. Now, when I say

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Speaker 2: the Melee Archipelago that is at now Malaysia and Indonesia, Wallace

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Speaker 2: walked out of the jungles after harvesting get this, one

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five thousand specimens.

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Speaker 3: So he doesn't wait until they just the great Creator

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Speaker 3: takes him.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no no.

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Speaker 3: For guys, anthology is the hand of God.

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Speaker 2: Harvesting. Yes, So primarily he was gathering up butterflies, beetles, birds. Now, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: you may be wondering, Saren, why did he need one

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five thousand specimens? Why basically in the

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Speaker 2: wings of a butterfly, Wallace saw world peace.

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Speaker 3: Oh God, I told you, you're trying to give me

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Speaker 2: Nineteenth century. Yeah. So there's this book called Beauty Obsession

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Speaker 2: and the Natural History Heist of the Century. It's by

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Speaker 2: this author, Kirk Wallace Johnson. And in his book he

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Speaker 2: documents in great detail the story that I'm about to

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Speaker 2: tell you, and I will be quoting some of various

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Speaker 2: interviews he gave hyping his book. And in his book

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Speaker 2: The Writer Kirk Johnson, he concluded that the naturalist Wallace

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Speaker 2: believed that nature had written and I quote letters in

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Speaker 2: the volume of the Earth's Deep History. And if we

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Speaker 2: these records. So real, high minded language. Right, it's a

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Speaker 2: heavy trip, but it got dude, ain't wrong, right. I'm

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Speaker 2: a big believer in biomimicry. You know this. I fully

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Speaker 2: agree with al. I mean, like, yeah, we gotta look

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Speaker 2: However, he wasn't the only one in England who zealously

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Speaker 2: Enter Lord lionel Walter Rothschild, the second Baron Rothschild. Is

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Speaker 2: I do that too. I got a I got a hole.

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Speaker 3: Does he have soft hands?

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Speaker 2: No, he was a big dude. He's like six y

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Speaker 2: And that's got to be fun. Like, you're one of

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Speaker 2: the world. He hires all these hunters, he sends them

430
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 2: out into the wilderness of the world to collect samples

431
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,119
Speaker 2: from everything from his animal wish list. Right, so he

432
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 2: paid also roomfuls of taxidermists to prepare his collection, because

433
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 2: remember talking in the thousands for these animals, he had

434
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 2: librarians and scientists on his payroll. He had paid a

435
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 2: team of naturalists to organize and label his collections. He's

436
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,920
Speaker 2: like a one man industry. Eventually, Walter Rothschild he had

437
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand bird eggs in his collection, ten one

438
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 2: hundred thousand.

439
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 3: Think of the storage space exactly.

440
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,479
Speaker 2: Just moving him around, and you had to label them

441
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:56,879
Speaker 2: all anyway, and these.

442
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 3: Are just like unfertilized bird egg.

443
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like imagine like an Ostrich museum, just but

444
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 2: all the eggs. So he had thirty thousand beatles. He

445
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 2: had two million, two hundred and fifty thousand butterflies. It

446
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 2: was the largest private collection in the world at the

447
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 2: time by far, and thanks to my man Al Wallace's collection,

448
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 2: he also had three hundred thousand rare birds to display

449
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,120
Speaker 2: eighty one hundred thousand. Yes. So in eighteen ninety two

450
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 2: he opens up his family's private parking museum collection to

451
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 2: the public. It becomes a wonder of its age. The

452
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 2: crowds love it. But just to make this long story short,

453
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty two, he gets blackmailed by a mistress

454
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,199
Speaker 2: and he loses the zoo. So it wait plays out

455
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,360
Speaker 2: like this. She was the third mistress to blackmail one. Right,

456
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 2: So this guy his first mistress had found out about

457
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 2: his second mistress and both of them were furious because

458
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 2: it turns out he had met his first two mistresses

459
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 2: at the exact same party. It was a hell of

460
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 2: a swanky affair hosted by King Edward the seventh. So

461
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 2: Walter rothschild. He starts canodling with Bogrim at the time.

462
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 2: Then they find out all hell.

463
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,479
Speaker 3: Breaks these are mistresses, so he has one.

464
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 2: He's not married, he's unmarried.

465
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 3: Oh, they are just girlfriends.

466
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,479
Speaker 2: Yes, but they're called mistresses and all the press because

467
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 2: at no point intending to marry them. They're not. Clearly,

468
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 2: you're not taking them.

469
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 3: I don't think they use the term girlfriend at the time.

470
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 2: No, but they're not girlfriends because he's not planning on marryland.

471
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 2: There's no future.

472
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 3: Fellows have a girlfriend, they have no intention of murder.

473
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just little more delicate. I guess these days

474
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 2: started calling girlfriends. They're mistress. Oh this is your mistress. No,

475
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 2: I'm not married. I know I know somebody.

476
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 3: We all know where be real, honey, don't get your hopes.

477
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 2: So eventually threats get made by these two mistresses. Now

478
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 2: remember I said that, Uh, he's Walter's kind of delicate. Well,

479
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 2: his brother, his younger brother, has to step in and

480
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 2: settle the royaling embarrassment to the family. He bribes both

481
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 2: women with land and money for them to go away.

482
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 2: So then now unmarried Walter rothschild. He finds himself a

483
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: new mistress to blackmail.

484
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 3: This man can like dip his wick all over the place,

485
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 3: but he can't settle up, like.

486
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 2: Come on, he's yeah, delicata. He doesn't deal with people

487
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 2: like he doesn't like game.

488
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 3: Thing you tell me about this man makes me loathe

489
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 3: him more and more.

490
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: Just wait. So his mistress of decades, she eventually blackmailed him.

491
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 2: He has a mistress he's with for four decades, the

492
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: same one during all of this, right, but she was married,

493
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 2: so she's married. He's not her husband and her conspire

494
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: to start blackmailing them. They blackmailed him for the four decades.

495
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 2: They just work them.

496
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 3: They blackmailed him.

497
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: For four decades, and at the very end they're like,

498
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 2: we need to cash out. So they cash out at

499
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 2: the casino and they go, we're gonna go big man.

500
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, come on, guys, and they make him

501
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 2: sell his bird collection to pay off their ransom. So

502
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 2: he has to sell it off. He sells the Tring Museum.

503
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 2: He sells the museum and then on his death it

504
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 2: goes and gets transferred to the crown and the people

505
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 2: of the UK.

506
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 3: The magnitude of like the maronitude in this we were like,

507
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 3: he has three hundred thousand birds. I'm like, my mind exposed.

508
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: He was blackmailed for four decades.

509
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 2: And then he loses it to this married couple that've

510
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 2: been working there for He loses his whole collection. Right

511
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 2: the museum goes to the UK. It gets called in

512
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty seven the Natural History Museum at Train. Now

513
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 2: in two thousand and nine, some random twenty something American

514
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 2: breaks into this museum, rifles through the collection and steals

515
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 2: the long prize fortune of Wallace and Rothschild and you

516
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: know the affair couple. This all the ultra rare birds.

517
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 2: This thief, what is he after? Elizabeth Feathers us say

518
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 2: yes so even talking rare bird Feathers British naturalists, one

519
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 2: of the wealthiest men in the world. Before I introduce

520
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: you to the criminal today, I do need to tell

521
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: you one more thing. You ready? You ever tie a fly?

522
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 3: Oh like fishing fly?

523
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: Yes? Good call. Yeah, I mean someone tried.

524
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 3: To teach me in the past and I go, oh, yeah, totally,

525
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: you've seen it done. I've seen it done. Actually my

526
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 3: father used to tie them.

527
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 2: You used tod type fly. Okay, there you go. It

528
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 2: turns out there's another group in this story who also

529
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: covet rare bird feathers. The dudes and Dudets who tie

530
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 2: flies for fly fishing. They like to use the feathers

531
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: for all sorts of imitations of nature designed a trick

532
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: fish into thinking it's a flying insect. Right, So the

533
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 2: New York Times they once documented this salmon fly fishing

534
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: expert dude tie his own flies. He ties flies professionally

535
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: for others. He's a master tie flyer or fly tire anyway,

536
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: whichever the case may be. His name is Paul Schmuckl,

537
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: and this cat Paul Schmukel. He was quoted in a

538
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety profile wherein he tells the Paper of Record

539
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: that quote, we will use up to one hundred and

540
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: fifty different materials, ranging from polar bear and mink fur

541
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: to the feathers of wild turkeys, golden and reeves, pheasants,

542
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: the African speckled buzzard, and the Brazilian blue chatterer. I'm sorry,

543
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: that's just a fun list to say. I don't get it.

544
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: How often do you say the Brazilian blue chatterer.

545
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 3: Well, it seems like they're like, you know, wild turkeys,

546
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: they're all over the place, and we got him walking.

547
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 2: All over the African speckled buzzard.

548
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 3: Polar bears like please tell me you just went and

549
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 3: snipped a little off the side.

550
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: You didn't. I'm hoping he went to the zoo. He's like,

551
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: do you guys just cleaned up? Like sleep up?

552
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 3: Trying to get disappointed in fly fisher people, just we

553
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 3: I always admired it because it's a very contemplative activity.

554
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: And not only just in the tying of the flies.

555
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: I've been where a river runs through it.

556
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 3: Exactly. You just stand there, just a little quiet, keeping yourself.

557
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: Imitating legs, like imitating imagine.

558
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 3: That people are yes, and I take every opportunity to

559
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: say someone's peeing their pants.

560
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 2: Yes, that's good anyway.

561
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, I know it's very contemplative and I appreciate that.

562
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 3: But now that they're just as craven and disgusting, Oh yeah,

563
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 3: they're all breaking my main credo in life, which is

564
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 3: let wild be wild. I like your main that's my

565
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 3: big thing, Let wild be wild.

566
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 2: You have a Mary Oliver, I'm telling it. You always

567
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 2: about it.

568
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 3: Love her. But yeah, like, come on, guys.

569
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 2: Well you're gonna hate this next part. Chief among the

570
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: chosen natural materials of these fly fishermen is rare bird feathers, right,

571
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 2: and they are integral to a number of different fly

572
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 2: what they call recipes that you'll find in all these

573
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: manuals that are available. But get this, Elizabeth, most of

574
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: the flies these folks tie, they never actually get used

575
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: for fly fishing. So at this point they're just it's

576
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: it's a whole art of tie.

577
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: They're in a shadow box on someone's walls exactly.

578
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: So these ties are works of art. These beauties create.

579
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: They never touch water. I mean, would you throw Van

580
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: gos Storry night into a rushing creek, Elizabeth, No, you

581
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 2: would not.

582
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: I needed to teach a man to fish.

583
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: So these flies also at this point they can cost

584
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: thousands of dollars. Would you throw thousands of dollars into

585
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 2: a rocky bottom stream, Elizabeth? You would not. Anyway, you

586
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: probably would also anywhere whole festivals dedicated just to tying flies,

587
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: not to fishing, right, just to tying.

588
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 3: Probably find festivals dedicated to pretty much.

589
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of rule thirty four. On the Internet,

590
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: people either gather or yeah anyway, So there are conventions,

591
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: there are meetups, There are groups rife with folks who

592
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 2: are all they all covet the feather, right, yeah, especially birds,

593
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: And just like remember those Victorian feather hunters of the past.

594
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 2: They also kind of get into a craze and a

595
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: mania out of this all, right now, So naturally these

596
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: folks will pay high dollar for these rare feathers that

597
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: they desire. Like addicts or junkies or funko pop collectors.

598
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: They're willing to ruin their lives in pursuit of rare

599
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 2: bird feathers. Yeah, and you know what that means, Elizabeth,

600
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: that means crime. So meet Edwin Risk. Yes, two year

601
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: old American floutist and fly.

602
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 3: Tying and daddiest on top of it all.

603
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 2: Dude was born in New York City. Later his family

604
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 2: moved upstate to Hudson Valley area. That's where he was homeschooled.

605
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: At a rage around ten years old, young ed Woim's home.

606
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: He's sitting there, he's, you know, schooling it up. He

607
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: sees a video about tying flies. He starts watching. A

608
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 2: kid is in fraud, right, He's he's also he's watch

609
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: he wants him to watch another video and another one.

610
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 2: He got no friends and he's got nothing to do,

611
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: and so he's hooked. He runs around his home gathering

612
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: up all these materials. He immediately begins imitating what he's

613
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: watching on the screen. He ties his very first fly.

614
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: That moment, moment changes the entire course of his life.

615
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: That one fly tying video did he happen to see?

616
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: Is wild? Like a one random us have those.

617
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: One moments exactly, you know, change the course of everything.

618
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: I think every kink is based on that one moment. No,

619
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, how much of a life anyway, So

620
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: his obsession with tie flying it grabs hold of him.

621
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: He starts focusing on trout flies as a kid. No,

622
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: trout flies, they're kind of easy for a kid to

623
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: tie because they're supposed to look like an ugly insect

624
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: and not like a beautiful yeah may fly or something.

625
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: So it's supposed to look like a bug. Right, So

626
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: he's able to do those and he starts to learn

627
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: as young and when risks, he starts learning all the techniques,

628
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: the history of tie flying. He spreads his own little wings.

629
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: He begins to compete. He travels to fly tying contests

630
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: one and two states away, mostly in New England. Right,

631
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: and at a convention, he sees someone who's tying salmon flies.

632
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: This is like Gwernica to his young eyes. He's like,

633
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: oh so young boy, thighs are now drawn to all

634
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: this bright, strange, rare bird feathers that this person used

635
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: for this salmon fly. And there he asks, and he

636
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: finds out there were twelve different types of bird feathers

637
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: used for just this one salmon fly. They're all delicately

638
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: wrapped and braided around the eyelid of the fish hook.

639
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: And he stares long and hard at this salmon fly

640
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: right the colors, and he just transfix them. It's like

641
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: a magic spell gets cast. He just has to be

642
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: about this to pare for his Netchere, Elizabeth, he stared

643
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: into the salmon fly, and the salmon flies stared into him.

644
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: Now evan to risk, he's got a new obsession, right,

645
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: so he books lessons with masters of salmon fly tying.

646
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: Turns out this kid's a natural. He had a god

647
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,479
Speaker 2: given gift for making imitation insects out of bird feathers

648
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: and some mink fur or whatever. Rights having to drive

649
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: like all around these different states. Let's go get you

650
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: those fly like you can't watch them, Like when you

651
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: have a kid who's like good at gymnastics, at least

652
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: you can watch some fun stuff.

653
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, oh, man, I would take driving around

654
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 3: to fly tying over a gymnastics meet any day.

655
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's the difference between you and I. Jim's stink,

656
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: the competition, the action, there's something going on instead of

657
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,239
Speaker 2: like get out the ziplock turkey bag and find that

658
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: really feather.

659
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would go for the feather thing.

660
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, so guys, this is not a huge surprise

661
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: that this guy's good. Had all of this to be,

662
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: I said, he's a natural. I remember also this, I said,

663
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: he is a floutest. He was a virtuos too floutest.

664
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: This kid Edwin is like he could play a tune

665
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: on a flute to make a grown man cry. I

666
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: mean he's like as a kid. Apparently he also could

667
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: play metallic on his flute. I mean he was just

668
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: about it, right.

669
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: I like to hear all of those. I like how

670
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 3: high minded his games and activities. Kind of like a

671
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: sixty year old man in a child wants to tie

672
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: flies and he wants to play the floor.

673
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know from Metallica.

674
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, he's ste year old man.

675
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: It makes you believe in reincarnation. Anyway, as I said,

676
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: he's got to get for artistic expressions. His obsession with

677
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: time flies continues to hold over him. There's one problem, though.

678
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: If vund Wrist wants to recreate the recipes he's finding

679
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: in these nineteenth centuries masters of tie flyings recipe books,

680
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: he would need the materials that they had. Super rare materials,

681
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: the sort of materials that are now illegal to purchase

682
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: laws would not stop him. Elizabeth, he had flies to tie.

683
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: Years later, he moves to England. He finds himself not

684
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: far from one of the greatest collections of rare bird

685
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: feathers known to humanity. The idea of us come to

686
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: him one day. He was just like, you know, I

687
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: must break into the British National History Museum. So he

688
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: decides he's going to steal Lord Rothschild's display of Wallace's

689
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: rare birds, and if he was successful, he would sell

690
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: the feathers to all of his fellow fly tying officionados.

691
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: He would free the feathers, because you know, that's what

692
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: he was really after, Elizabeth. He wanted to buy himself

693
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: that solid gold flute. So he's planning a move in

694
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: these feathers.

695
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 3: So are these birds actually on display?

696
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: Taxidermy birds.

697
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: They're not just in the storerooms.

698
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: Taxidermy birds on display, last case, his cabinets, the whole bit.

699
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes feathers like attached to a wing.

700
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: Because I'm trying to decide how mad I get because

701
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, like, if they're just in a storage space

702
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: and no one can see them, well, maybe they get

703
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 3: repurposed and people can see it because they're not using

704
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: these for actual fly fishing. They're for display purposes. Wait,

705
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: oh my goodness.

706
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: So he is now next to the greatest temptation that

707
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: you could possibly conceive for this kid, the Natural History

708
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: Museum at Tring. They're in South Kensington, Soliz, Yes, can

709
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: you feel them, just like the anticipation, the anxiety this

710
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: kid must have, like, how can I get those feathers? Huh?

711
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: I want you to stay right there with that feeling,

712
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: cause we're gonna take a break afterwards. We're gonna bust

713
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: into that museum. Yeah all right, Elizabeth, Yes, you're ready

714
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: to bust into this baby. We're gonna free some feathers. Okay. Now,

715
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: this museum, it boasted, the is at this point the

716
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: second largest ornithological collection on the planet. I think the

717
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: Smithsonian has passed it or the Naturalisty Museum in New York.

718
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: I cannot remember. I did not look up what was

719
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: number one. But it was criminally unguarded or underguarded. Yeah,

720
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: it did have guards, but it was a rather easy target,

721
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: even for an amateur cat burglar. So Edwin brist he

722
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: does it the smart way. He cases the joint. He

723
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: visits the museum pretending to be a student photographer. That

724
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: gives him cover, right, so he's able to photograph everything.

725
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: He takes photos of all the cases, the cabinets, every

726
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: rare bird he wants to on his shopping list. He

727
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,719
Speaker 2: of course, you know, he takes photos of the entrances,

728
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: the exists, all the info he'd need for his eventual

729
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 2: break in plan right for the next seven or eight months,

730
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 2: He creates his master plan, and like you, he created

731
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: a word document. He titled it Plan for a Museum Invasion. Yes,

732
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: in the document, he typed out his shopping list of

733
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: burglary tools and birds he wanted, and his wish list,

734
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: you know, just everything that could go right. And he

735
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: keeps visiting the Tring Museum working on his plan. We're

736
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: working up the nerve. One day he feels good to go.

737
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 2: He's like, all my ducks are in a row. So finally,

738
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 2: on a fateful summer day in June, edwind Wrist sets

739
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 2: his hest plan into motion. It was the night of

740
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: June twenty third, two thousand and nine. Edwind Wrist scheduled

741
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: to perform in a concert in London. He brought his

742
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: flute with him. He turned that concert hall out. Then

743
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: he took a train up to Tring Park. That I

744
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: discovered his estimated to be about a forty five minute

745
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 2: long train. Right, Okay, I haven't taken it. I don't know.

746
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 2: Don't jump on me if I'm wrong. Yeah, But whatever

747
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: it is, I do know this, Elizabeth. I'm not gonna

748
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: just tell you about that night. I want you to

749
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: close your eyes and I want you to picture as

750
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 2: a close You are a Victorian era ghost, yes I am.

751
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: You haunt the former home of the Baron Rothschild. You

752
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: were one of the Rothschild's domestic servants, but you died

753
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: in a tragic hunting accident. So now you stalk the

754
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: grounds of Trink Park, specifically the spot where you were shot,

755
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: which happens to be the Natural History Museum at Tring.

756
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: It's nighttime you're doing your thing, haunting the hallways of

757
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: the museum. You hear a noise. You float directly through

758
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: the brick walls of the building and pass through into

759
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: the alley that runs behind the museum. You spy a

760
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: young man dragging a suitcase behind him. You watch as

761
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: he climbs up the backside of the museum. He cuts

762
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: the barbed wire meant to keep someone like him out.

763
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: With one good snip, the barbed wire springs away with

764
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: the tension of the wires. The young man climbs up

765
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: to a window. He goes up with his suitcase. Once

766
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: he's situated, he pulls out a diamond tip glass cutter.

767
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 2: You watch with curious relish. He tries to use the

768
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: glass cutter like you see in a movie, like a

769
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: cat burglar would do, or to his mind, like a

770
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: superspied James Bond guy would do. But the glass cutter

771
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: he bought online doesn't work. It fails him in that

772
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: critical moment, so you float over closer to see what

773
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: he's up to. He doesn't sense you, though. Instead he

774
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: hops back down to the ground. He pulls a loose brick,

775
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: then he climbs back up and smashes the glass of

776
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: the window. Then he reaches in. He opens the window,

777
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: swings it open, shoves his luggage into the window. The

778
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 2: suitcase lands inside the museum with a leathery slap. Meanwhile,

779
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 2: you float there wondering if you have a new roommate

780
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: in the museum. You float back through the brick wall

781
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: and catch up with a cat burglar. You watch him

782
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: as he quietly opens the glass faced cabinets and cases.

783
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: They barely creak with noise. Then he shoves Taxi dermy

784
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: bird after Taxi dermy bird into his suitcase. You know

785
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: there's a security guard working that night. You saw him earlier,

786
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 2: a droll fellow of little imagination. He's not even worth haunting,

787
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: but you know he's there. Later on, that same security

788
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: guard will say that an alarm did go off that night,

789
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: but in a different one of the six gallery of

790
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: the museum. But you, you are here, you know what

791
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 2: really happened. As best as you can count. The young

792
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: man steals two hundred and ninety nine rare birds from

793
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: the collection. Then he exits the same way he came in.

794
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 2: It just takes him a second or two to shove

795
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: his suitcase back through the open window and like that

796
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: he's gone. So Edwin Risk gets away with it.

797
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: He successfully steals three birds, a suitcase.

798
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: Full of birds. So I don't know, like why that

799
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: worked for him, that was his first big bus, but

800
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: it works. So the amateur cat burglar. He goes to

801
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: a train station. His plan is then could take the

802
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 2: last train back to London. But he took so long

803
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: shopping for birds. He was like, you know those grocery

804
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 2: store shopping spree TV shows. Now was him in the museum, right,

805
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: It's bird after bird in the suitcase. He's dragging it around,

806
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: more birds, more birds, takes he gets so many birds.

807
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: When he gets to the train station, he's missed the

808
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: last train. So what's he gonna do now? Now he's

809
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: sitting there with basically about a million dollars worth of

810
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: birds in a suitcase at a train station somewhere in

811
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: the like suburbs of London. So he sits there at

812
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: a train station, all by himself, just a few miles

813
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: away from the museum. He's just burgled. And uh, luckily

814
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: though he's not in a part of England where someone

815
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: would think to steal his suitcase. That's the only thing

816
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: that works out for him.

817
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 3: Right, they'd be disappointed, dude, the flute player.

818
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: Right, imagine you steal suitcase. It's kind of heavy. You

819
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: think elders is coming here, get home. It's just a

820
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: bunch of tropical dead birds.

821
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 3: No, not my suitcase. There's a million dollars with the

822
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 3: stuff in there. You're like, oh yeah, what kind of money?

823
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 2: Python sketch him I in anyway, the dude, he's safely this,

824
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 2: this flute player safely spends the night in the train station.

825
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 2: No cops come up to him, No strangers walk up

826
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: and say his full name at him, No one punks

827
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: him for his suitcase. He makes it all the way

828
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: to dawn, He catches the first morning train, makes it

829
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: back to London. He goes back to you know his place. Now.

830
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,959
Speaker 2: It's the next day, June twenty four to two thousand

831
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: and nine. Police are called out to the Natural History Museum.

832
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: Governort has been a break in. It's a train right.

833
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 2: The staffed and administrators of the train museum are on it.

834
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: The quickly tabulate Elizabeth the damage and lost items. Doesn't

835
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: take them long. Not coincidentally, it was all male birds

836
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: that were stolen. Why is that?

837
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 3: Aren't they the showier one.

838
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 2: Yes, he's not some kind of bird sexiest. Turns out

839
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: that in the bird world, magnificent plumage and regal feathers

840
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 2: are the male's domain, right They females, they get the show,

841
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: they get to decide. So the juvenile males, though, they

842
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: are too young for all that, so they're still drab

843
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: looking like the females. So this guy on his wish

844
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: list a bunch of male birds with bright feathers. Right,

845
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: so the birds he took, right, these you haven't asked me,

846
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: So I'm just going to tell you.

847
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 3: I was waiting. I think give me an accounting of

848
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 3: what the flute tutor took.

849
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: There you are they rare katangas, the oh not the

850
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: rare yes, rare katangas, and the quetzals from South America.

851
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's new social media.

852
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: Bower birds from New Guinea.

853
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 3: Oh, now, there's so much good footage of birds building

854
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: their collections of Yeah, it's fantastic.

855
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: Now the Indian crows and the ever striking birds of

856
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: Paradise previously mentioned, also from New Guinea. He collected a

857
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: bunch of them. He's all about the tropical birds, and

858
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: all of them had been collected by al my Man

859
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: al Wallace back in the nineteenth century. So these birds

860
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: are irreplaceable, right, Yeah. The then director of science at

861
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: the museum, Richard Lane, he tells the press quote, these

862
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: birds are extremely scarce. They are scarce in collections, even

863
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: more scarce in the wild. Our utmost priority is working

864
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: with police to return these specimens to the national collection

865
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: so that they can be used by future generations of scientists.

866
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: Kind of a dusty statement. Yeah, To put it in perspective,

867
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: the collection was three hundred and fifty years old, the

868
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 2: specimens had been taken. This is basically you know, these

869
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: birds are literally priceless, like they The museum's collection represented

870
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 2: ninety five percent of all known living species of birds,

871
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: and he's just rifling through it. So he's damaging some,

872
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 2: taking others. Anyway, Oh my god, nothing else they had

873
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: been stolen except for these tropical birds. So the police

874
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: are baffled. The Interdetective Inspector Fraser Wiley, this is a

875
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: very unusual crime and we are keen to recover the

876
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,479
Speaker 2: bird skins, which are part of a national heritage. Because

877
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: the British keep calling them birds skins because they're taxidermied birds,

878
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: there's no bones inside, yeah, exact. So the police asked

879
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: the pub look for help or assistance that they can provide. Meanwhile,

880
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: back at the ranch, and by the ranch, I mean

881
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: student housing at the Royal Academy of Music. Cut to

882
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: the rare bird feathers, all right, stolen by this random

883
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: twenty two year old American from the Hudson Valley. So, dude,

884
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: Edwin wrist Right, what's he doing at this point in

885
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: his little weird criminal fairy tale that he's living in

886
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: where he's gonna trade bird feathers for a golden flute?

887
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: Does he have a roommate?

888
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: No, he doesn't have a roommates. Yeah, right, But like,

889
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: why a golden flute? I'm so glad you asked to lose.

890
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: I was wondering why a golden I look this up.

891
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: Golden flutes or gold flutes, they are a thing. There's

892
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: apparently some benefit to buying and playing a solid gold flute.

893
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: So so it's not just solid gold. Yeah, So, to

894
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: quote the instrument maker Suzuki, gold lends a special glitter

895
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,479
Speaker 2: to a flute, and the lustrous tombre of a gold

896
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: flute has an unerring, far reaching carry even when the

897
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: instrument is played pianissimo. It's allure probably makes it the

898
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: last word in flutes, so he wants that last word, right,

899
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: So how much would the last word and flutes cost?

900
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question.

901
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: I look this up for you. They range between twenty

902
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: five thousand and one hundred grand.

903
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 3: Wow. And it's not just to be flashy.

904
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: No, there's also solid platinum flutes. They're even more expensive,

905
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: which makes no sense because I can't imagine solid platinum

906
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 2: sounds better than gold AND's gold like atomically makes more

907
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: sense as a perfect element.

908
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 3: But whatever, Well, people love the platinum.

909
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: I know it just seems like you get platinum because

910
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: it's pretentious, not because he's going to do anything music.

911
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: But whatever, what do I know? I'm not a floutist.

912
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: So the time of the theft, Edwin Rist was twenty

913
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: years old. Now it's fifteen months later, he's twenty two

914
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: years old. I know you're wondering, how could that be.

915
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: It's because we missed a birthday or two.

916
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: We missed two birthdays.

917
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 2: Right, So he's studying flute at the London Royal Academy

918
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: of Music. Did he have his golden flute? Well, he

919
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: was trying to get that amount saved up. Right after

920
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: he'd successfully robbed the train museum, he took all they

921
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: told you, the two hundred and ninety nine bird skins.

922
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: He starts processing them. He's clipping off the identification tags,

923
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: decoupling the birds from all that inventory, like that indexing system.

924
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 2: So all the scientific research is now null and void.

925
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: And when he went to where he could sell bird

926
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: feathers on the black market, he knew where he could

927
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: find and connect with what I'm going to call the

928
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 2: feather underground. So that's my generalized nickname for the modern

929
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: feather hunters, collectors, dealers. Did anyone who buys, sells, or

930
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: covets rare bird feathers? Elizabeth?

931
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: Well?

932
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 2: Anyway, this black market, the feather underground, primarily it's composed

933
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 2: of fly tying fishermen.

934
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

935
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the folks who desired the brightly colored tropical feathers,

936
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: they were the ones who paid top dollars, so they

937
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 2: really moved the market, right, So they are also willing

938
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: to pay on something that's either extinct or endangered or

939
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 2: stolen or why not two of three? Yeah, So Edwin

940
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 2: the now twenty two year old flute virtuoso. He's studying

941
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: at the London Royal Academy of Music, so real, like,

942
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: you know, congrats to his parents. Yeah, he spends his

943
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: nights tying flies made from his stolen bird feathers. And

944
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: get this, Elizabeth, you were to drop Edwin in a

945
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 2: stream with a rod and some flies, he'd have no

946
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: idea what to do. He doesn't know how to fly fish.

947
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: He's never been fly fishing. He doesn't fly. He doesn't

948
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: fish period. Right, apparently this is very common for expert

949
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 2: tie flyers or fly tires rather, especially amongst the salmon

950
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 2: fly tying community. Anyway, so no fishing, Edwin. He's down

951
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: there spending all of his night's tying flies, and it's

952
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: tossing him into large ziplock bags. He crammed ziplock bags

953
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: filled with thousands of flies that he ties in this

954
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: twelve or fifteen month period.

955
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 3: Right.

956
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: So, anyway, kids, who's sitting down that day happened to

957
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: see a fly tying video has now shaped his life.

958
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: Or he's sitting there alone in London tying flies every night,

959
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: dreaming of his golden flute. Right, and he's plucking feathers

960
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: from this rare bird collection and so he does this

961
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 2: for more than a year. I said, he's plucking, he's

962
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: tye in, he's plucking some more. Edwin's sitting there alone. Boom.

963
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: It was like, also, I forgot to mention when he's

964
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: not doing that, he's ritualistically playing flute. So he's just

965
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: either playing flute because he's you know, virtuoso, or he's

966
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 2: tying flies. That's all he's doing. He's just obsessed, all right.

967
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: So he stuffs multiple ziplock bags filled with thousands of

968
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: delicate salmon flies. He manages to sell some online mini

969
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: In fact, he makes money, a bunch of money for sure.

970
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: And now where do you think he was selling these

971
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: stolen feathers? I told you who you're selling them to

972
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: and in the feather underground. But where do you think that?

973
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: Where do you think he found geographically?

974
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: We'tre's go with where? Online?

975
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 3: eBay?

976
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: Yes, he was selling them on eBay. He was just

977
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: listing and selling the rare bird feathers all out in

978
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: the open as whole skins or tide flies on eBay,

979
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 2: also in fly tying forums. It worked for a while.

980
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 2: He was able to he found four buyers. He moved

981
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 2: about seventeen thousand dollars worth of bird skins and flies.

982
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: Then things went awry. Someone got suspicious, someone went to

983
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: the police. They reported him. Didn't take long for the

984
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: bobbies to find him because he hadn't hidden his IP address.

985
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: He's just using eBay, so they just went right to

986
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 2: his student housing apartment. Knock, knock, knock. He gets arrested

987
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 2: November twelve, twenty ten. When the police search his apartment,

988
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: what do they find? They find one hundred and seventy

989
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 2: four of the two hundred and ninety nine stolen birds.

990
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: They're like, how many ties have you been tying?

991
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: Man?

992
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 2: So up about one hundred and seventy four. Only one

993
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 2: hundred and two were still tagged and labeled. The remaining

994
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: seventy two weren't there. Just all out. The museum puts

995
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: out a request and they asked in anyone who bought

996
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: one of his stolen birds please return them. No questions asked,

997
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: We just really want the birds, bask Can you guess

998
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 2: how many of these outstanding birds were sent back?

999
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say zero nineteen, oh wow, which calculates out

1000
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 3: to be six percent of the missing birds from the

1001
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: Train Museum.

1002
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: So they got six. Yeah, so there's a few good

1003
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: people or maybe one who bought a lot, I don't know.

1004
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: Nineteen So anyway, guys, with the number of birds that

1005
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: were returned into flies and stuffed into zip lock bags,

1006
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: can we guess how many that was? The police estimated

1007
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 2: it as sixty four birds returned into flies.

1008
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 3: Sixty birds birds.

1009
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he gets arrested, interrogated, and because he's not

1010
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: a hardened criminal, Edwin Wrist he confesses to everything and

1011
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: that just leaves his trial now because he is me right.

1012
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: So his defense attorney, admittedly though, just still wanted to

1013
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: fight something. He doesn't have much to work with, but

1014
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: he still decides to try to like get something. So

1015
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: the defense attorney works his butt off and the dude's sharp.

1016
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: He argued that his client, Edwin Risk, engaged in impulsive

1017
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: and amateurish actions, to be sure, in a vain attempt

1018
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: at living out his James Bond fantasies. Blah blah blah.

1019
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: Then the attorney he argued that his client had spent

1020
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 2: a few weeks, just to me, a few weeks planning

1021
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: this job, and he was a boy playing at cat burglar.

1022
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 2: The lawyer tried to downplay the value of the stolen

1023
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: rare bird Feather's what science can be done with three

1024
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty year old feathers? Right? So Risk, at

1025
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: some point he's like really proud of his lawyer for

1026
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: just going after the court. Right. He tells Kirk Johnson,

1027
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: the author of the book, quote, my lawyer said, let's

1028
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 2: face it, the tring is a dusty old dump, and

1029
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: he was exactly right. What Yeah, so they just go

1030
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: on the attack. Right.

1031
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: So he's got James Bond. Yeah, there's nothing, says James Bond,

1032
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 3: more than tying flies and playing the flute by yourself.

1033
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 2: To break a window.

1034
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 3: Very James Bond, Yeah, exactly, it's just one Bond woman

1035
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 3: after another.

1036
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: He just needs a Bond woman and then boom birds.

1037
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 2: Oh wow. So his lawyer, rather solicitor, argued in court

1038
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 2: that the purported scientific value of the feather had been

1039
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 2: lost to the dustiness of the tring. Right, and Risk

1040
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: tells the court all the scientific data that can be

1041
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: extracted from the skins it has been extracted. So Risk

1042
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: is on the attack right now. Remember this dude's an

1043
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: amateur bird lover, no scientist, just a flute player. But

1044
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: he's out there talking about scientific value. Anyway, prosecution, they

1045
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: countery story. They go after him and they show that

1046
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 2: Eben Risk has been planning his burglary for fifteen months.

1047
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 2: They showed that he contacted the museum by posing to

1048
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: someone else in emails. Then there was his purchase record.

1049
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 2: They showed in the months or the month rather before

1050
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: they break in, Van Rist bought a glass cutter. Then

1051
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 2: they showed the box of moth balls that he bought.

1052
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: Then also he bought, oh, by the way, fifteen hundred

1053
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: ziplock bags. So finally he also bought a lock I'm

1054
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 2: guessing a padlock that he planned to secure his door

1055
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: with because he had his you know, fortune and rare

1056
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: bird feathers he wanted to secure and he didn't want

1057
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: some punk twenty two year old to come along and

1058
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: steel his feather forteen Yeah, So as the scientific value

1059
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: of the stolen bird skins and rare bird feathers, the

1060
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 2: collection had been used for climate research. So these feathers

1061
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 2: from seabirds had been documented a rise in heavy metal pollutants.

1062
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: They used it to prove the DDT was on the rise. Basically,

1063
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 2: some real science was done. The naturalists. My man al Wallace.

1064
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: He would have been happy about that. Yeah, probably, you know,

1065
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: much happier than at Lisa's collection being turned into flies. Anyway,

1066
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: So Edwin Risks, he pleads guilty on charges of burglary

1067
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: money laundering. Then comes sentencing oh Man. Sentencing, the defense

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Speaker 2: attorney introduced their star expert witness as psychologists who happened

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Speaker 2: to be Sasha Baron Cohen's cousin. So yeah, so they

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Speaker 2: have this psychologists evaluate Edwind Risk, and Sasha Baron Cohen's

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Speaker 2: cousin convinces the court that's a lot of seas that

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Speaker 2: Edwin Rist had Asperger syndrome and his James Bond fantasies.

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Speaker 2: He's got him carried away, and believe it or not,

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Speaker 2: the court goes for it. They sentenced Edwin Risk to

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Speaker 2: time served in a fine. He's out free. As for

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Speaker 2: the Asperger syndrome diagnosis, Elizabeth, Yeah, the author Kirk Johnson

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Speaker 2: called him out on it. He asked Edwin Risk point

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Speaker 2: blank about this diagnosis and the only interview this dude

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Speaker 2: has done this, you know, about the burglary. Kirk Johnson recalled,

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Speaker 2: and I quote, around the five or six hour mark

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Speaker 2: of my interview with Edwin I said, I don't want

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Speaker 2: to sound like a jerk, and I'm not an expert

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00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: in it. You don't seem like you have asked Bergers.

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Speaker 2: You're not avoiding eye contact. You're clearly reading the subtext

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Speaker 2: of my questions. I'm paraphrasing what he told me that

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00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 2: he became what he needed to become during that phase

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00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: in his life, that he'd never had any issues with

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00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: eye contact before since, but that all of a sudden

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00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: he couldn't look in people's eyes, started rocking back and

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00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: forth and hiked his voice up in octave. To me,

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00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 2: it was clear that he had gained the system. He

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00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 2: never spent a night in jail, graduated from the Royal Academy,

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00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: and today plays the flute with orchestras throughout Germany, albeit

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00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: under a different name. Now, wow, he did have to

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Speaker 2: pay one hundred and twenty five and one hundred and

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00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 2: fifty pounds. That's how much he made in total once

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00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 2: they tabulated it all from selling rare birds on eBay

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Speaker 2: and the fly fishing forums, a lot of money. And

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Speaker 2: then also his fine was thirteen thousand, three hundred and

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Speaker 2: seventy one pounds. He had to pay that in six

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00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: months time, or else he'd have to turn himself in

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Speaker 2: for his totally restored twelve months sentence, and he'd had

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Speaker 2: to do the full twelve months. Of course he paid

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Speaker 2: the fine. Yeah, served no time. But did he get

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Speaker 2: that golden flute? Did he get what he was after, Elizabeth? No,

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00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: he didn't enough rare birds to buy his golden float,

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00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: thank god. But that said, if you check YouTube, which

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00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: I did, you can find him jamming out on what

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00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: looks like a golden flute. But I don't know. I'm

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Speaker 2: not a golden floutist. I do know this, Elizabeth. He

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00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: has a new name, and unlike the author, I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you what it is. His new name is Edwin Reinhardt

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00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: and he has that YouTube Jamli told you about where

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00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: if you want, you can find him playing his heavy

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00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: metal flute rendition of Metallica's Master of Puppets. He pulls

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00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 2: the strings baby, yeah right, So go to at heavy

1117
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: metal flute on YouTube. There are five videos on his page.

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00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 2: One is of a Game of Thrones theme song cover.

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00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: There's a Lord of the Rings cover. I think it's

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00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 2: a misty mountain cold yeah, but he's not very active there.

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00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 2: The last video he posted was five years ago, so

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00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 2: don't expect new content. So Elizabeth, what's our ridiculous takeaway

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00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 2: after all of that?

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00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 3: That wild be wild? That's my takeaway, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's like I can see if you're sort of scavenging

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00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,479
Speaker 3: things that in nature that have already passed and don't

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00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 3: have that like you're saying the scientific value. I mean,

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Speaker 3: once these guys have in the past stolen all the birds,

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Speaker 3: we can't go back and unsteal and then kill the

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Speaker 3: birds today. Like if you're building these these flies first

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Speaker 3: of all, to be a poser and not actually know

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00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 3: how to fly fish, Like, wouldn't you need to know somehow,

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00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 3: like how you would anticipate them sort of dancing on.

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00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 2: The decontextualize it to the point that it is its

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00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 2: own standalone elements.

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00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 3: That's idiotic. But like I mean, I used to have

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00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 3: a in my house, a mantle piece that I called

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00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 3: my mantle Piece of Curiosities. It's just all stuff that

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00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 3: I found like on walks and like you know, dead

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00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 3: dragonflies and like feathers, girl skulls. Yeah yeah, but you

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00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,280
Speaker 3: know those are the kinds of things like cool shells,

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00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 3: and but it's always something that you take and you're

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00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 3: not damaging your environment to take.

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00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: It away, and you're just acting as an animal.

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00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, but.

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00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 2: Much like a bower bird, you're just it was my power.

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00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 3: Let wild be wild.

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00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 2: Well, my ridiculus take away once again, and thank you

1149
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: for asking I anyway, I'll just tell it to you.

1150
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 2: Unlike most of the burglars would get away with it.

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00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: I don't like this cat.

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00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I don't like him because he.

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00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 2: Steals birds and he stole science and he didn't he

1154
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 2: didn't steal it from money or for diamonds. If he

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00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: would have stole money of diamonds, would have been cool

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00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: with it, like I would have had no problem. But

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00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: he stole science, he stole birds, and I'm just ain't

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00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 2: cool with it. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: My instinct is like whack, he blew it. Man. He

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00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 3: could have been like every parent's dream of, like a

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00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 3: kid who just like does really well and has these

1162
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 3: great you know, and then he goes off to a

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00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 3: music conservatory school, Like come on, I don't like him.

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00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: Well that's all I got for you.

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Speaker 3: As always like it.

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Speaker 2: Find us ever after online, ridiculous Crime, Twitter, Instagram, sometimes

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Speaker 2: the Reds. I don't know, We have a website, Ridiculous

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Speaker 2: Crime dot com. That's fun. We also like your talkbacks

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Speaker 2: on the iHeart app. We listened to those. We dig

1170
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: those We drive around the car listening to him bumping them.

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Speaker 2: Make the neighbors listen to him anyway. He emails if

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