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Speaker 1: Good morning, superld and welcome to the No Dunks podcast

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Speaker 1: on the Athletic Network.

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Speaker 2: It's a great network.

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Speaker 1: It's Monday, Deptember twenty seventh.

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Speaker 2: I J E.

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Speaker 1: Skeets and alongside me as always got Tasmellis.

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Speaker 3: We've got a little sports tidbit for you guys. The

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Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills didn't hunt against the New England Patriots on Sunday,

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Speaker 3: the first time a Bill Belichick defense has had that

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Speaker 3: Anything is possible. Anything is possible.

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Speaker 1: And finally filling in for jd backlog he never left.

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Speaker 1: He covers the OKAC Thunder for the Athletic. He hosts

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Speaker 1: Slash produces I don't know a good twenty other podcasts

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Speaker 1: on the network, including one of our favorites, Saturday's Slam

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Speaker 1: and Jam. On the Athletic NBA Show Feed, It's Andrew Schleck.

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Speaker 4: What's up in hey guys, glad to be back.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a cool football tidbit for us? Like tasks?

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Speaker 4: Oh? No, I still I don't know if anybody follows

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Speaker 4: college football, but my Okloma State Cowboys lost just a heartbreaker,

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Speaker 4: and since then I've just been feeling sports pain.

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Speaker 2: When I think about football.

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Speaker 4: Try to trying to say, what is this a bowl game?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: No, it was the Big twelve championship game. They were

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Speaker 4: they were two inches away from winning the game.

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Speaker 3: And it's just getting a bowl of tostitos or something. Oh,

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Speaker 3: that's a bowl game.

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Speaker 2: I never know.

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Speaker 3: I'm with Skeets. I'm sorry about your heartbreak, but I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm more concerned with when the bowl games start, when

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Speaker 3: the championship, the tournaments ended.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what they are.

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Speaker 1: And we're in the South. We should know this. We should,

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Speaker 1: We really should. I think I think Trey's Michigan is

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Speaker 1: still alive right, Maybe they're playing they might be playing Georgia.

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Speaker 2: I think I actually have three.

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Speaker 1: I think There We Go is an NBA podcast. Guys.

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Speaker 1: Just the three of us here on a fine Monday morning.

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Speaker 1: JD is actually on vacation. He's made his way to Canada.

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Speaker 1: He got through the border. He is there, so good

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Speaker 1: for him. Lee's still up there moving around. Last I

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Speaker 1: I know he took in a bulls game last night,

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Speaker 1: got out to the arena, but we'll be missing him

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Speaker 1: here for this show. That's all right, It's great to

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Speaker 1: have Andrew back in the mix. Let's just talk about

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Speaker 2: For forty minutes. We could do that.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk Kennedy.

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Speaker 1: They can't lose What's what's going on with this?

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Speaker 4: Talk about Kennrich Williams for forty five minutes.

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Speaker 2: I could do that. Awesome.

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Speaker 3: Everyone's separate right now, including the old studio, the new studio.

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Speaker 3: It's by itself. Yeah, just relaxing, getting ready for the

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Speaker 3: new year.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, tasks? What are the odds everything

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Speaker 1: Sure, that's what we've been that's what we've been told. So, guys,

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Speaker 1: we are going to get to our NBA Christmas Weekend winners.

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Speaker 1: We've got some news to discuss, including a renewed momentum

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Speaker 1: in this mid season, in season NBA tournament, whatever you

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Speaker 1: get to that. But before all of that, oh boy,

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Speaker 1: since we last talked to you, guys, we have five wedgies.

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Speaker 1: Five Golden rings tasks, five wedgies. We start here on

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Speaker 1: Thursday night, DeMarcus Cousins with the running hook.

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Speaker 1: Christmas Day, oh, a Christmas miracle like Birks sticking weggie

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Speaker 1: on Sunday, Corey Kisspert blows the wide open layup. But

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Speaker 3: you know, the Sunday after Christmas, but we got.

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Speaker 1: It, that's true. And then oh Andrew loved it. I

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Speaker 1: saw him tweeting about it. Lou Dort droped Dort exclamation

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Speaker 1: So a magical Christmas weekend here for your boys at

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Speaker 1: no dunks. But let's get to the actual winners tasks.

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Speaker 1: Where do you want to start? Who is your NBA

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Speaker 3: Listen, Christmas was really good in terms of basketball. I

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Speaker 3: Here's the opening voiceover. I'm gonna quote it because it

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Speaker 3: my opinion, it's the most wonderful day of the year

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Speaker 3: basketball on Christmas, where the stars shine just a little

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Speaker 3: Auto Porter lines up a deep three and Steve Kirk

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Speaker 2: To me, that was a miracle.

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Speaker 3: allowing guys to really play within their roles. On this day,

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Speaker 3: on Christmas Day, the Golden State Warriors played Quinn dairy Weatherspoon.

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Speaker 3: Quinn dairy Weatherspoon, that is a name. He's a g

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Speaker 3: ball and he had a few buckets. They played Chris Chiosa,

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Speaker 3: one of their two way players. Want to Scano Anderson

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Speaker 3: they're one of their back end rotation guys that they've

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Speaker 3: made a solid guy. Jonathan Kuminga a rookie who just

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Speaker 3: started playing recently. I mentioned Gary Payton, the second who

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Speaker 3: they've that he started in this game and he has

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Speaker 3: They picked him over Avery Bradley. I just I say

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Speaker 3: all this because, Yeah, the Warriors won it with their depth.

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Speaker 3: and Jordan Poole, and they came through in the clutch there.

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Speaker 2: To me, this was a miracle.

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Speaker 3: I know they wanted this game real, real bad because

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Speaker 3: the Suns beat them a couple of weeks ago, but

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Speaker 3: this felt hyah, felt like a playoff game.

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Speaker 2: The Warriors were absolutely possessed to start this game. Draymond

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Speaker 2: Green was bouncing. He played so well up and down

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Speaker 2: the roster, and they needed to play well to sort

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Speaker 2: of overcome their lack of offensive talent. But man, did

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Speaker 2: they do that. That was a really good show on

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Speaker 2: Christmas Day. That was I know we'll get through some

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Speaker 2: of the other games, but just a really good day

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Speaker 1: Can you remind me if Otto Porter ever made one

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy who shows some flashes. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 2: think Otto. I don't think Outo made it.

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Speaker 1: My buddy Grish is a casual by the way, so

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Speaker 1: seven in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Eh oh, And then I saw him and then he

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Speaker 2: repeats it.

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Speaker 1: Pol you got to read all these names he sent

436
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Speaker 1: to you, and you're like, it's at seven in the morning.

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Speaker 1: I'm lying in bed trying to think. If Donovan Mitchell

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Speaker 1: is top twelve in the league, it's it's too much

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Speaker 1: for that time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it was nice of him though he

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Speaker 3: separated the top five with a nice space in the text.

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Speaker 3: He's he's pretty good at formatting. So he had top five,

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Speaker 3: then he had six through ten, and then he had

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Speaker 3: eleven through fifteen.

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Speaker 1: So I think you got the second draft. That's why

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Speaker 1: I got the like here it all is. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: format that nice. Some were caps locks, some weren't. Then

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Speaker 1: you got like the edited version. It put a little

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Speaker 1: more time too. Okay, anyway, let's keep going here, Tasa.

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Speaker 1: Who else do you have for a winner of the

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Speaker 1: NBA Christmas Weekend?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mentioned those Brooklyn nets. They are doing it

453
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Speaker 3: with their depth right now. No, Kevin Durant, as we

454
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Speaker 3: mentioned and I know Mike d'antni back in the day

455
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Speaker 3: with the Phoenix Suns, he got a lot of credit

456
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Speaker 3: for getting role players paid because they came out of

457
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Speaker 3: his system looking great. And I think Steve Nash, who

458
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Speaker 3: was his point guard back then, he deserves some some

459
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Speaker 3: of that credit right now with the Brooklyn Nets because

460
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Speaker 3: he's inserting guys and I think, I think he is

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Speaker 3: a guy who really empowers people. Because they started Bruce Brown,

462
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Speaker 3: DeAndre Bembery, Nick Claxton, and Patty Mills alongside James Harden

463
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Speaker 3: against the Los Angeles Lakers team, and those guys got

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Speaker 3: the job done. It was a convinced thwacking of the

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Speaker 3: Los Angeles Lakers out there. Patty Mills had thirty four points,

466
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Speaker 3: tying his career high a Christmas Day record eight threes,

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Speaker 3: which is kind of surprising. That kind of came out

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Speaker 3: of nowhere for me.

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Speaker 2: And Curry usually doesn't play good on Christmas.

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Speaker 3: That's true, I think, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: expectations that eight threes. It's a big number, still a

472
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Speaker 3: big number, even though we thought Steph Curry would hit

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Speaker 3: sixteen a few weeks ago. I was just weirded out

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Speaker 3: by so many moments in this Nets Lakers game.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about U skeets, but you know.

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Speaker 3: Seeing center Carmelo Anthony at the end of the games

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Speaker 3: getting drop offs like as the little Lebron would drive

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Speaker 3: and the guy who is getting a ball on dropoffs

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Speaker 3: was Carmelo Anthey, it was weird. And then we saw

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Speaker 3: Nick Claxton, who I mentioned as one of the starters.

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Speaker 3: One of the young guys. Steve Nash is empowering. Forty

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Speaker 3: five seconds left, this game is tied, and he throws

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Speaker 3: it down on the King for an incredible photo photo. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: showing it to you here on the stream team. He

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Speaker 3: threw it down on Bron kudos he went to get after.

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Speaker 1: They are both so high in this pick.

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Speaker 2: It is ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and a little le Broun is criticized for not

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Speaker 3: playing defense. He went after this one he got thrunked on.

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Speaker 3: It was a bit of a thrunk Yeah, And I

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Speaker 3: zoomed in on it here and so apologies to cut

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Speaker 3: her airways. Their logo was in this photo, but I

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Speaker 3: had to cutter it out of there just to zoom

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Speaker 3: in a little bit more on Nick Klocks. It was

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Speaker 3: just weird to see bron get get thrown down on

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Speaker 3: and he had thirty nine in this game.

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Speaker 2: He was playing so.

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Speaker 3: Well, and I'll remember obviously that dunk. I mean, the

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Speaker 3: Lakers just don't have a Patty Mills and Patty they

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Speaker 3: literally don't have a guy like that, and they went

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Speaker 3: after him in the off season to try and get him,

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Speaker 3: but they are lacking. Another weird thing was seeing Russell

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Speaker 3: Westbrook miss at the rim over and over and over again.

504
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Speaker 3: He missed eleven shots at the rim. He was four

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Speaker 3: or fifteen, you know, within a few feet of the bucket.

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Speaker 3: But this Lakers team, I'm glad there are in is

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Speaker 3: name the Crypto Arena whatever it's called, Crypto dot Com Arena.

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Speaker 3: I guess it's called because like Crypto, the Lakers go

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Speaker 3: up and down.

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Speaker 1: Nailed it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Bill a Ram at the Athletic a nice line

512
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Speaker 3: about it. All it took was one game for the

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Speaker 3: Lakers to get buried in the crypt That's nice, very nice.

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Speaker 3: But that was a convincing when for the Nets. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because yeah, the Lakers they came back and tied it.

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Speaker 3: I said, it was tied forty five seconds left and

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Speaker 3: it was only a seven point loss. But they were

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Speaker 3: down twenty and the fourth quarter flurry was it just

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Speaker 3: wasn't that convincing?

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Speaker 2: Was that? Was it convincing for you? Not for me?

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Speaker 4: I mean it was nice.

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Speaker 1: Look, it was a close game, so yeah, they were

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Speaker 1: right back into it. And you have Lebron on your team,

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Speaker 1: so you like your chances to ultimately close it out.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, the.

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Speaker 1: Lakers are reeling here. We decided task and I only

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Speaker 1: the two of us with Andrew helping out with the producing.

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Speaker 1: You know, we usually on Monday do our weekend winners

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Speaker 1: and losers, but you know, we're in the holiday spirit here.

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Speaker 1: We decided we got some news we can talk about later.

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Speaker 1: Let's just stick to winners. But the Lakers would be

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Speaker 1: on the loser's list from the time we left on

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Speaker 1: Thursday night. They got hammered by the Spurs, and then

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Speaker 1: they got hammered here on Christmas Day, or not hammered,

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Speaker 1: but they were getting hammered, made the game, and then

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Speaker 1: ultimately lose to the Nets there. And there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions surrounding this team, like how do they

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Speaker 1: turn this around? When Lebron is bawling right now too.

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Speaker 1: That's the other part, like putting up monster lines, and

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Speaker 1: it has a bit of like, uh, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: maybe a little desperation you can sense from him, like,

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Speaker 1: holy crap, do I have to be doing all of

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Speaker 1: this and it's still not resulting in victory? Seriously, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it would be on that list.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they would be.

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Speaker 3: He expected a lot from guys like Kendrick Nunn who

547
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Speaker 3: hasn't played a game, Malik Monk who hasn't played to

548
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Speaker 3: his capabilities, those guys that they ended up signing at

549
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Speaker 3: the end of the off season to fill in for

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Speaker 3: the Carusos that they that they let to go to Chicago,

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Speaker 3: and all the guys that they traded for Russell Westbrook.

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Speaker 3: He expected a lot from those guys because he keeps mentioning,

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Speaker 3: you know, we haven't seen our full team yet.

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Speaker 2: We haven't seen our full team yet. Yeah, but it's.

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Speaker 3: Going to be a tough sledding here in January and February,

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Speaker 3: especially without Anthony Davis for another few weeks. And it

557
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Speaker 3: takes away from what he did. He had a thirty

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Speaker 3: nine point game, passed Kobe for Christmas Days all time

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Speaker 3: leading score mark, and he played in his sixteenth straight

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Speaker 3: Christmas Day, which or no record, tying sixteen games. On

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Speaker 3: Christmas Day, he played in his fifteenth straight Christmas Day game.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of weird because we were talking about has

563
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Speaker 3: he ever missed a Christmas Day game? But he's played

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Speaker 3: in sixteen of nineteen years because he didn't play in

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Speaker 3: his second, third, and fourth years on Christmas, which was

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Speaker 3: weird that the NBA wouldn't be pushing bron They pushed

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Speaker 3: him in the first year, but not in the year two, three,

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Speaker 3: and four, which is weird. Yeah, so hees obviously looking good.

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Speaker 3: But the Lakers, yeah, it's Jared Raganning.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: One of my other winners from this sort of long

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Speaker 1: weekend for us was a team that did, like I said,

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Speaker 1: punk the Lakers on Thursday night, and that's the San

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Speaker 1: Antonio Spurs. They beat them one thirty eight, one ten,

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Speaker 1: and then on Sunday steamrolled the very shorthanded Pistons one four,

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Speaker 1: one oh nine. That's a whole lot of points from

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Speaker 1: San Antonio and they're fourteen and eighteen now. Tasks. They've

578
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Speaker 1: jumped up to tenth in the Western Conference. They've won

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Speaker 1: three straight four or five to get them up there. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing. They're a fun team to watch. Now

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Speaker 1: they were one of the rare teams in the league.

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Speaker 1: It feels like not all that impacted by COVID nineteen

583
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Speaker 1: this season, but that did change. On Sunday morning, Jeonte

584
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Speaker 1: Murray was ruled out. But it was okay. You know.

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Speaker 1: They overcame the loss of their starting point guard who

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Speaker 1: could be ill star consideration, uh by sort of sharing

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Speaker 1: the Worklord. They had a season. I thirty nine assists. Again,

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Speaker 1: they're playing the Pistons, I get it. But Trey Jones

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Speaker 1: career high eleven. Derek Waite added ten assists, and I

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Speaker 1: saw Ziller in his newsletter this morning, Happy anniversary by

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Speaker 1: the way to ghost face Tom Ziller there two years

592
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Speaker 1: running one of the best newsletters in the game. He said.

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Speaker 1: The spursm now scored one hundred and twelve plus in

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Speaker 1: nine straight games and have the number two offense in

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Speaker 1: the league in the month of December and number six

596
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Speaker 1: overall for the season. Just pop man finds a way,

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Speaker 1: finds a way as he zero's in gets closer and

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Speaker 1: closer to the all time wins record for coaches, I

599
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Speaker 1: don't know what he is. I don't track that as

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Speaker 1: closely as I tracked the MVP tracker on Basketball Reference,

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Speaker 1: but I know he's getting close. Maybe somebody in the

602
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Speaker 1: stream team can tell me the exact number. It's probably

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Speaker 1: like twelve or something like that that he's away from.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Spurs, got to give him credit here there.

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Speaker 1: They're back in the mix. They'd be in the play

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Speaker 1: in and you watch them play and you're convinced they're

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Speaker 1: just as good as the Blazers or the Wolves, or

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Speaker 1: the Kings or you know any of these team. Heck,

609
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: you can talk me to the Mavericks, so they're right there.

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Speaker 2: Task.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they shared the ball like crazy against that Piston

612
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 3: seem me a thirty nine assists, So it was nice

613
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Speaker 3: watching them, even though it was against this Piston s team.

614
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: It's it's a team obviously that's got to do it

615
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: by committee, and they did it without their best player

616
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: in Dejonte Murray. But to go back to back monster

617
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Speaker 3: games one hundred and forty four, one hundred and thirty

618
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Speaker 3: nine before that, and they get up and down. They

619
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Speaker 3: play one of the fastest paces in the league.

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Speaker 2: I said anything as possible at the top of the show,

621
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Speaker 2: and I think Greg Popovich shows that he's willing to change.

622
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: He's an older fella. But he's got no problem playing faster,

623
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Speaker 2: playing different. He obviously changed multiple times throughout his coaching

624
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Speaker 2: career when he was playing with the Twin Towers and

625
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Speaker 2: then he played a three ball style because he needed

626
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Speaker 2: to to go get championships. And now it's a different

627
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Speaker 2: team and it's an enjoyable watch. And you mentioned all

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Speaker 2: the standings that picture there the Spurs, Yeah, they could

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Speaker 2: creep in there quite easily because no one is really

630
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Speaker 2: running away with it. You know, you've got Alvin Gentry,

631
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Speaker 2: who I'm sure would be coaching one of the losers

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Speaker 2: if we were doing winning winners and losers of the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Where Alvin Gentry, he just came out postgame after that

634
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Speaker 2: King's loss, and so that is the most What was

635
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Speaker 2: the word? I don't know if it was dismbarrassing, embarrassing, Okay,

636
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Speaker 2: embarrassing moment thirty years in basketball, it's embarrassing, disappointing.

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Speaker 1: I feel like he has said this three times about

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Speaker 1: the Kings. As I saw that and I'm like, oh

639
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Speaker 1: he said it again. It's like, oh god, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't. I don't have the go in front of

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Speaker 1: you. It disappointing or embarrassing. But it was, well, it's probably both,

642
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Speaker 1: to be honest.

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Speaker 3: And it was he was wearing a mask when he

644
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Speaker 3: said it, and so that's the one of the disappointing

645
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Speaker 3: parts about masks. It's a little less emphatic. And Andrew,

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Speaker 3: what did he say?

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Speaker 4: He said, this is the most disappointed I've been in

648
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Speaker 4: my thirty four years in the NBA. Wow, which if

649
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 4: you followed Alvin Gentry at all, or even just look

650
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 4: him up on Basketball Reference, like, there's a lot of disappointment.

651
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, he might be caught in the

652
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: moment here.

653
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 4: Don't know what the Kings do. This is what the

654
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 4: Kings do. They just they just break you down to just.

655
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Speaker 1: He's gonna quit. He walk away from basketball. The kid

656
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: did that. I saw r Mo here in the stream.

657
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: Team eleven games away from passing Don Nelson is Papovich

658
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: according to to Mo, So thank you for that. He

659
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: sounds right.

660
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: He's going to get there. There was there was some

661
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 3: talk at the beginning earlier this year wondering this team

662
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: not looking great, he needs to get to twenty five wins?

663
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: Is there a chance? But now it oh yeah, oh yeah,

664
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: oh yeah, he's gonna get Yeah.

665
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: That's that's looking more and more likely. All right, task

666
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: one more? Why not? You know, hey, well, what what

667
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: do you have to do today? What you got? Not much?

668
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: No, not really? What am I going to do today?

669
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: My trim my nails?

670
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: Okay, well that's what's on your tip's holidays.

671
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 3: Come on, you know, I'm busy, Skeets, you know I'm busy. Anyway,

672
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: I'm I'm sticking with the stars for my winners. Julius Randall,

673
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: I think look the best that he's looked all season.

674
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: He hasn't looked like that All NBA All Star Julius

675
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: Randall we saw last year and they took care of

676
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: the Hawks fourteen point win. You know, it was kind

677
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: of felt like a blowout. But that's the way it

678
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 3: should be. If Julius Randall is playing to his capability,

679
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: especially with Trey jung out on the other side, if

680
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: Julius Randall is just taking and making threes. He was

681
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: six of nine from three point landing, and that's that's

682
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: what Julius Randall was last year, just able to just

683
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: fire away and be confident that his shot was going

684
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: in at all times. It was only twenty five and twelve,

685
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: so statistically, he's had some thirty point games this year,

686
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 3: but I thought that he looked again just just like

687
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 3: that guy last year. And that's the difference between the

688
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: Knicks of last year and this year. Julius Randall and

689
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: that All NBA All Star performance is that for real

690
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: and it hasn't been up to this point, and that's

691
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: why the Knicks our disappointed our sub five hundred. But

692
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, Christmas can bring some some

693
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 3: different performances out of people, and I felt like that

694
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: was that was the best Julius rain I just again,

695
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: numbers not huge, but he's playing defense. And maybe it's

696
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 3: because the bright lights are on, but maybe this can

697
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: be a bit of a catalyst for Julius Realm to

698
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: get back to who he was last year, because he

699
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: hasn't been He hasn't been that confident in the in

700
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 3: the taking and making category. He hasn't been a number

701
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 3: one option. But he looked like it in that first game.

702
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 3: He looked like the best player on the floor. And

703
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: that's obviously what the Knicks need with the way they're

704
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: constructed right now for them to get into the playoffs.

705
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 3: It's disappointing that they're sitting in in twelfth right now

706
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: outside the playing tournament, which is bonkers, but there's obviously

707
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: lots of time left and Julius could pull him out,

708
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 3: pull him into the play in picture for sure.

709
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Speaker 1: I also have just Christmas Day fans as a winner

710
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: of the weekend, because you know, we've already touched on it.

711
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: But a lot of these games were very exciting, and

712
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: that's better than last year. I saw Schumann, great tweet

713
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: from him. He had the average margin of victory on

714
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: Christmas in twenty twelve, So last year was twenty three

715
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: point two. Holy crap. This year a much more enjoyable

716
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: six point four average margin of victory, and that's including

717
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: that pretty dominant Nicks win there, So I sort of

718
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,959
Speaker 1: skewed the numbers even a little bit more.

719
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 4: So it was just good.

720
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: I mean again, you already said you had Lebron become

721
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: in the league's all time leading scorer on Christmas Day,

722
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: passing Lakers legend Kobe Bryant for that spot. Kemba Walker

723
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: easily could just sort of be a winner of the

724
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: weekend by himself, but you had him and Harden both

725
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: in fire Christmas Day outfits, both recording triple doubles for

726
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: their respective teams there in New York and Brooklyn. Jannis

727
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: I already talked about him and his MVP performance there,

728
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: helping lead the Bucks to that huge comeback victory over

729
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: the Celtics. I mean that block tass On. I guess

730
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: it was on time. Lord there where he what he

731
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: steps to Tatum like Tatm's gonna shoot it or dunk it.

732
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, I'm ready for you. Tatum wisely passes

733
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: to the dunker spot to is big man. Okay, that's

734
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: gonna be an easy two. That would have been an

735
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: easy t I gets almost anybody else in the league,

736
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: but yo, honest, Nope, jumps blocks him totally clean crazy

737
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: players he plays from him, and then Donovan Mitchell. Is

738
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: he top twelve and the top fifteen? Is he top twenty,

739
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: top twenty four? Top to anyway, he helped you overcome

740
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: a pretty early deficit to take down the shorthand of Mavericks.

741
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: So just entertaining games, Andrew, I don't know how much

742
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: basketball you were watching there on Christmas Day. I know

743
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: you got three young boys, so I'm sure it was

744
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: madness over in your house. But to just taken any.

745
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that that Nets Lakers game was incredible.

746
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 4: It was so fun. I actually felt bad for Russell

747
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 4: Westbrook because he hasn't had a bad season, it hasn't.

748
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: Been this bad.

749
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 4: But to do it on Christmas Day like that, everybody

750
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 4: just thinks, ah, we got to just trade him, We

751
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 4: got to get rid of him.

752
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: He's obviously he is the problem.

753
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 4: And it's like, well, if you've been watching all season,

754
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 4: he hasn't been the problem for the Lakers. Part of

755
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 4: the problem for the Lakers is that they've all their

756
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 4: role players are thirty seven years old. You know, if

757
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 4: they had some younger players in there, or just more

758
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 4: athleticism in there, I think could be better. But even

759
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 4: like Russe is shooting sixty percent from zero to three

760
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 4: feet this season, it's it's not as bad as as

761
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 4: it looked as him getting blocked by the rim at

762
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 4: the end.

763
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: He's bad timing, is what you're saying. One of his

764
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: worst games.

765
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 4: His mistakes are the loudest in the league.

766
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, just absolutely, that's.

767
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: A great way to put it. And uh, yeah, I

768
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: felt like there was a lot of Twitter discussion about

769
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: triple doubles. Yeah, and about how you can have a

770
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: bad games by a triple double. And part of that was,

771
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, kemb but didn't have an incredible game shooting

772
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: the ball, but he had triple double. You know, same

773
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: with there with Russ. And then the other thing was, yeah,

774
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: trade Russell Westbrook and then people going for who and

775
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: for what and how.

776
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 4: And what team? What team is really going to want

777
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 4: him right now? I mean, I just can't imagine what

778
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 4: team it is.

779
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 2: I've tried.

780
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 4: I even text Spreadcats is like what about the Knicks?

781
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 4: And he's like no, and I'm like, okay, I have none.

782
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a yeah. The stand Ban Gundy quote of

783
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 3: the weekend. He's a great Twitter follow, but then he

784
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: comes out with his his most engagement, his most tweeted

785
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: tweet of all time, by saying, just because an NBA

786
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: player has a triple double doesn't mean he had a

787
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: good game. And the definition is the definition of Russell

788
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: Westbrook's last couple of years, where she's obviously putting up

789
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 3: these ridiculous numbers and now we're discussing whether or not

790
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 3: teams would take him on and he's still getting those numbers.

791
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 3: But it is a fair point from stan Van because

792
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: sometimes they aren't right but you're right that Russell Westbrook.

793
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 3: Yeah he can't be a team's best player, but he

794
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 3: hasn't been the Lakers the reason why they've stunk. He

795
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: has some bad moments, for sure. Be nice if he

796
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 3: be comfortable taking every three when he was open. But yeah,

797
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 3: the role players are the ones. Yeah, forcing Russ.

798
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 2: To be the scapegoat. As Jim Wright says here on

799
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: the street, that's what happens.

800
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it looked like it was going to be

801
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: on ad for a little bit. Remember that. There was

802
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: like a week or two it was like, hold on,

803
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: you just got named to the NBA All seventy five

804
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: slash seventy six list, and you're not. You've been quiet.

805
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: So there was that, But then he goes out, So

806
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: now you can't point the finger at him. It's definitely

807
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: not Lebron, who's playing incredibly well. So well, who's you know?

808
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: Vogel had his little moment vocals on the hot seat,

809
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna be This is what happens when you know

810
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: you have so much expectations. It really happens on any

811
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 1: Lebron team, right Andrew. That's the truth. It's like living

812
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: up to if they're not one of the top teams

813
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: in the league. Then it's like, well, it's not Lebron's fault,

814
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: so who else is it? And then that's that's just

815
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: what happens.

816
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 4: We go through this whole time and there's go'da be

817
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 4: some turnover. I mean, I mean, every Lebron team always

818
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 4: has turnover, especially when they start out slow. So it'll

819
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 4: be interesting to see what Lakers management is able to do,

820
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 4: because it's really if anybody's to blame, it's Lakers management

821
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 4: for not making the right moves in the off season.

822
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: Yes, and I think this is a great comment here

823
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: from the one and only possible. Russ is definitely a scapegoat,

824
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: but also he's not the guy this team needed. That's

825
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: that's fair. I don't think we're trying to sit here

826
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: and like really defend Russell Westbrother like, oh right, no,

827
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: that that was a championship move and getting them you know,

828
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: there were a lot of questions at the time, and yeah,

829
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: he's Russ, so he looks amazing and then he looks like, oh,

830
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: you're killing us out here, man, like he sort of

831
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: did on Christmas. But that's it was the building of

832
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: this team and in the structure and the construction of

833
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: this team task that was like, oh, this could not work,

834
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: especially if Anthony Davis isn't playing. That's the whole other

835
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: thing to me. If he wasn't playing well, and then

836
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: when he's not even playing, that's an issue.

837
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 3: Yes, and I think every team that's going to play

838
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 3: them in the playoffs, if they're healthy, will be very

839
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: worried that they can lose to this team, regardless of

840
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 3: what we're saying right now. But yeah, the role players

841
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: are a problem, not playing to their capabilities. You give

842
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 3: up Caruso and KCP and Kuzma and Harrel and they

843
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: have not been able to replicate that. And talking about age,

844
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 3: this is Russell Westbrook's fourteenth year in the league. He's

845
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 3: not young by any standards, especially by like athletic guard

846
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 3: standards either.

847
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: So that it hurts.

848
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 3: It hurts, like to ask a guy to carry a

849
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 3: team when is four or five, six, seven, eight nine.

850
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 3: Guys aren't, you know, pulling their weight. That's that's how

851
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: Lebron's teams have been great. It's when you guys step up.

852
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 3: And that's that's what they thought they were getting from

853
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: russ as a guy who could be sort of the

854
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 3: link the olive branch from the regular season, you know,

855
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 3: to the playoffs where Lebron could chill a little bit

856
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 3: and Russ would be that energetic guy to get them,

857
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 3: get them the buckets. But it hurts when, Yeah, the

858
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 3: rest of the guys aren't aren't performing.

859
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: There's a lot of talk here in the stream team

860
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: and we'll just touch on this for it to take

861
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: our first break. What about Westbrook and whateverse whatever else

862
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: you got to throw in to make happen for Ben Simmons.

863
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 4: If this is where it all ends for the Sixers, Yeah,

864
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 4: first of all, I'll be listening to every Sixers podcast

865
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 4: for a long time. Yeah, but I just don't know

866
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 4: that they can handle it.

867
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 2: I don't know.

868
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 4: I don't know the Sixers fans could handled this being

869
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 4: the the end of the line for the Ben Sivens stuff.

870
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: Oh what an emergency podcast that would be, though, task

871
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: That was one of our last emergency podcasts, wasn't it.

872
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: When Westbrook got traded for Chris Paul Right, That was

873
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: obviously a while ago, but I remember I was on

874
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: vacation when that one broke.

875
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the summer of twenty nineteen, when the

876
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: starters became the free agents right right, yes' because we

877
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 3: were asking Rob Polinka, Hey, sign us, we don't have

878
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 3: a deal.

879
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: Sign us. We could be here eleven, twelve thirty.

880
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: We're old enough perfectly in that window that you're looking.

881
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, then we had the four way hardened deal. As

882
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 3: the emergency podcasts, the famous clip of JD finding out

883
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: live that he had to do a fourth podcast that day.

884
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so yeah, that was that was well, I.

885
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 2: Know that won't happen. Russ to the Sixers will not happen.

886
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: I don't know.

887
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: No, Morey's not holding up for that, but yeah, Simmons

888
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 3: on the Lakers. Sure people like that, the Lakers fans

889
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: would like like that. Let me give kudos to the

890
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: NBA for the scheduling because I was I was a

891
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 3: little worried that they were gonna, you know, reschedule games

892
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 3: and no one was going to watch the first and

893
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: the fifth game because they said the primary slots were

894
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: the two, three, four slots. They warned the teams, hey,

895
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 3: you may be moved around, and they made a good

896
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 3: decision not moving teams around by not lessening that, you know,

897
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 3: just the image and the quality of the games. So

898
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: they did a good really good job of keeping the

899
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: trayless Hawks in the one hole and the Lucalsts MAVs

900
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 3: in the five hole and two three, four was great.

901
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: And you mentioned that the Yiannis play in Game three.

902
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: I think that one is sort of overlooked, maybe because

903
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 3: it was sandwiched between two really great games with the

904
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 3: Warriors game and the Lakers game, but that that play

905
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: was so amazing, and it was like the finals where

906
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: he was able to bounce back and block that DeAndre

907
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: A and Alley Oop. He's played two guys at once,

908
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 3: and when he played Tatum and Robert Williams, I mean

909
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 3: that was phenomenon. I think Tatum would be probably in

910
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 3: the loser category if we were doing winners and losers,

911
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 3: because this clutch moments just haven't been very good this season.

912
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 2: He wasn't clutched there.

913
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: I think we're learning too that Chaums is saying he

914
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: might be in protocols as well.

915
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum.

916
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: It's like breaking right now.

917
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 3: I guess these protocols they come out of Nowhere's God

918
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: to de after Christmas, Draymond Green protocol, John Cons protocols,

919
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 3: They just they are relentless.

920
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: Yep, we're gonna take our first break. But when we

921
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: come back, we'll get into the talk about this in

922
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: season tournament, Paul George injury, and a lot more. So

923
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere. Okay, a little news for you guys.

924
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: This first one's back in our lives by way of

925
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 1: Woes and ESPN renewed momentum for crea of in season

926
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: NBA tournament tasks. I know we have talked about this

927
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: many times before on the podcast.

928
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: Oh just want no, Yeah, you're right, no, definitely.

929
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: Twice, three times maybe, But well, was just saying that

930
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: this could be possible in the next coming years, and

931
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: again there's a renewed momentum from Silver and the owners

932
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: to maybe get on board with this.

933
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: What do you think the timing of the tournament? I

934
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 3: find interesting a pre Christmas tournament, but look, this is

935
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: the time of year when the NBA desires more eyeballs, right.

936
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: A lot of people, you know, the casual say that

937
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: the schedule the NBA season doesn't start until Christmas Day anyway,

938
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 3: So I guess that's what the league is thinking here.

939
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: I wonder if it would be a distraction for players

940
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 3: that are in that mode of in October November trying

941
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: to get their teams right, trying to build and established.

942
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 3: But I guess not. I guess it's another game, another

943
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 3: way to get better. So I think it's it is

944
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: a good timing for the league and could create some

945
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: exposure when they want it. And I guess the success

946
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 3: of the play in tournament has built a little trust

947
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: here with Adam Silver, so I think the players Association

948
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 3: could say, all right, you know, you did well. It

949
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 3: would also mean reducing the number of regular season games

950
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 3: from eighty two to seventy eight, so I think the

951
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: players would would definitely be up for that. Would the

952
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 3: owners be up for that? Where you would lose some money,

953
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 3: you know, some a few million dollars for your two

954
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: home dates that you lose, But I think I think

955
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 3: this offer is a nice sponsorship opportunity for talking on

956
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 3: the business side, for other sponsors to get in the game,

957
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: some sponsors who would want to get MBA with eyeballs

958
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 3: and you know, maybe they lost out on trying to

959
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 3: get NBA.

960
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: Rights or whatever.

961
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 3: I think this is an opportunity that will easily be

962
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 3: recouped for those those couple games will be recouped in

963
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 3: terms of the losses there.

964
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: So I think it's a good timing on the schedule

965
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 2: rather than what they were thinking January ish before the

966
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: All Star Game. I think the players will be playing

967
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 2: because they want to get their teams going in October November,

968
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: rather than at January right before the All Star Game.

969
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: Do you think I'm right there? Andrew?

970
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 3: Players will be more focused to jump in headfirst into

971
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: this thing rather than like right before the All Star

972
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 3: Game when they're thinking about break and they've already sort of,

973
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 3: you know, got the twenty five thirty thirty five games,

974
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 3: the routine of their own team in.

975
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

976
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 4: I think there's some teams that still don't know exactly

977
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 4: who they are by that point too, and might still

978
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 4: have hope for playoffs or whatever it is, and this

979
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 4: could kind of help that a little bit. And I

980
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 4: also think this is just a way for the NBA

981
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 4: to dominate the entire calendar, right, I mean, if they

982
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 4: can get people watching them during that time and then

983
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 4: watching on Christmas and then watching like the playoff race,

984
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 4: than the playoffs, than the draft, you know, I mean,

985
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 4: there's just I think they just dominate the entire calendar.

986
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 4: If they're able to do this and pull it off, so,

987
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 4: and I'm all for it, like, let's let's have more fun.

988
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 4: I think tournaments are fun. I think that people will

989
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 4: get into it. I mean, I don't see why not.

990
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 4: I don't see the true downside here for the NBA

991
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 4: and not doing this, And as a fan, like you

992
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 4: just want more things to root for, and this is

993
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 4: definitely that.

994
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Woe says this could become a part of

995
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 1: the calendar as soon as twenty two to twenty three,

996
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: maybe twenty three twenty four season. He also said the

997
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: tournament would begin with pool play as part of the

998
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: regular season schedule prior to teams with the best records

999
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: advancing to an eight team single elimination tournament that would

1000
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: like test that culminate prior to Christmas, So games that

1001
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: they would be playing anyway going to be part of

1002
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: the In theory, this pool play to this tournament and

1003
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: the top eight go into it, and you know, it's

1004
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: like a one and done type of thing and they

1005
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: battle it out for what is the question they've discussed

1006
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: a purse of one million dollars per player for the

1007
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: winning team. Okay, a million bucks to you know, you're

1008
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: already playing these regular season games and then what in

1009
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: theory you'd have to win three games? I guess if

1010
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: you got into this tournament if it was only eight teams.

1011
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: Do I have my math right on that? Guys? I

1012
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: think that's correct, isn't it? So you know there's that,

1013
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: and who knows what else could could possibly be in play.

1014
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm with you like this Silver keeps saying this. Maybe

1015
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: not in the first year people are gonna be like, oh,

1016
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: this is awesome. I'm all on board, like, but it

1017
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: might build over time, like people might get a little

1018
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: more enthusiastic about it over the coming years. And I'm

1019
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: a big like, why not too with this? I don't

1020
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: see what it's actually like taking anything away from if

1021
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 1: it makes games in yeah, early December, mid December whatever

1022
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: a little more entertaining and must watch when they are

1023
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: competing still with the NFL, you know, on the schedule

1024
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: of sports. So that's I'm sure a part of their

1025
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: equation here too, of when they would place it or

1026
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: where they would place it. I also tweeted out, guys,

1027
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: I'd love to get your take on this. And I

1028
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: can't remember if you guys are wrestling fans or not,

1029
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: but if they do this, I think the winning team

1030
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: like needs to like get crowns and scepters and maybe

1031
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: like gowns and like just go full on like King

1032
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: of the Ring style from the wrestling world and call

1033
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: it King of the Court even. I mean it's right there,

1034
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: and like you get to show up Andrew like rocking

1035
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: this regalia.

1036
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 4: Oh I would love that. Do you like do you

1037
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 4: do a like miniature parade afterwards?

1038
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 2: Ooh? What do you like?

1039
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 4: They return and then like how does this fan base

1040
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 4: celebrate this?

1041
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1042
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 2: Is kind of what I wonder.

1043
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: Wow, that's why I think the players should allow like

1044
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: to continue. Like wasn't it cheat and the bad boy

1045
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: Pistons there? Or the Pistons and not the real bad

1046
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: boy Pistons. But like when they won the title, they

1047
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: had the belts made.

1048
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: Yeah the belts.

1049
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Like they like run with that, like have

1050
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: them show up in their pregame fits tasks with crowns

1051
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: and scepters and stuff like that. They're the Kinks. We

1052
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: bow down.

1053
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 3: I think the NBA is in on it. Remember twenty

1054
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 3: thirteen heat they pulled out the rope when they thought

1055
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 3: the Spurs were going to win the championship. They had

1056
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 3: the rope around the floor. Yeah, they would love having

1057
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 3: ropes around. I think, yeah, let's have a little ring

1058
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 3: King of the Ring. Yeah, I think the NBA players

1059
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 3: would would buy in no doubt. And I just I

1060
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 3: remember you know, our days, you know, semi working for

1061
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 3: the NBA and how the terminology was a tent pole event,

1062
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 3: Opening Night tent pole event, Christmas Day tentpole, All Star Tentpole, Finals,

1063
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: Draft and free agency, and this would be the creation

1064
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 3: of another tentpole. The tent is getting some more peaks

1065
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 3: if they could pull this off. And so yeah, I

1066
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 3: guess it's a time of year where the NBA is

1067
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 3: trying to protect their turf a little bit too. As

1068
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 3: you said, Andrew, They're trying to expand, trying to dominate

1069
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 3: the schedule, while the NFL just walked in on Christmas

1070
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 3: Day tried to to push the NBA aside there on

1071
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 3: Christmas Day, which is something that they're supposed to own.

1072
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think the NBA will, Yeah, let's get

1073
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 3: the King of the Ring.

1074
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: I like it. Yeah.

1075
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: Like Jay says here, it's like if it's like King

1076
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: in the Ring, it's just a title that means nothing

1077
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: but bragging.

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00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 2: Right, Sure, I mean it means nothing for sure.

1079
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: That's fine. Who cares? These games don't eat anything off

1080
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: the time, So just you know, we have a little

1081
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: fun little mini tournament within the season. I like it,

1082
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: and I'm with you, guys. I like the idea of

1083
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: where they're thinking about putting it now rather than whatever

1084
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: like March or something like that, you know, after like around,

1085
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: like you said, it has even that All Star break,

1086
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: it's like, nah, we're probably fine at the back end there.

1087
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: And now, especially with the play in tournament, we even

1088
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: have a little excitement like built in at the end

1089
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: of season. Now, even if those teams that get in

1090
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: ultimately are never gonna do anything, it's still fun to see, Oh,

1091
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: who's gonna avoid the nine to ten? Who's gonna avoid

1092
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: the seven of having to sort of play? There's way

1093
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,479
Speaker 1: still in having to win a game. Yeah, we got that.

1094
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: That's working so far, and maybe that does help out

1095
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: Silver's chances of convincing these these billionaire owners. Oh hey, guys,

1096
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna you might lose another two you might lose

1097
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: some two million here on this one home gate. Yeah,

1098
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll survive. I guess, okay, our next one

1099
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: mb dot Com Paul George. Wow, he is out up

1100
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: to a month with torn ligament there in the right

1101
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: elbow taskwa you get started. Sounds like he's gonna be up, yeah,

1102
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: three or four weeks at least.

1103
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: It stinks for Paul George, but he hasn't been himself

1104
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 2: since that opening run of October, and then November was okay,

1105
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 2: and then got worse in December here, so it's kind

1106
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 2: of a good time for him to get injured.

1107
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 3: That's not obviously something he wants to have happened to him.

1108
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 3: But at the same time, he wasn't playing all that well,

1109
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 3: and the Clippers are not in a terrible spot because

1110
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 3: of the way the Western Conference standings have played out.

1111
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 3: There's a blob of teams, you know, after you get

1112
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 3: down from you know, the one, two, three, four spots, Suns, Warriors, Jazz,

1113
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 3: they're fine, and the Grizzlies are kind of treading water

1114
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 3: at four. But then there's just a bunch of teams

1115
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 3: in that sort of five hundred range. So I don't

1116
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 3: think the Clippers have really any worries that they're going

1117
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 3: to fall out of the play in tournament standings. I

1118
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 3: know it's obviously not been the start that they expected.

1119
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 3: I thought that they could be an NBA finalist. I

1120
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 3: legitimately thought that, and I still think that every team

1121
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 3: would be worried playing them when they're healthy in the playoffs.

1122
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 3: But Paul George has to be better, and so.

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Speaker 2: Is it a bad time? I think it's for me.

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00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: I think it's it's kind of okay because he just

1126
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: wasn't looking like himself out there.

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00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was reading Jeff's stotts from in Street Close

1128
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: always does a breakdown of all of these injuries. It's

1129
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: a weird one here, Andrew with Paul George because Jeff

1130
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: pointing out that elbow UCL injuries they're common in baseball

1131
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: and you know, at least like Tommy John surgery, but

1132
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: not so much in the NBA. He went through his database,

1133
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: there's been seven confirmed cases of this Paul George injury,

1134
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 1: including games names like Andrea Barnianni Andfornier, Nicholas Batoum, Jimmy Butler.

1135
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: And the average miss time for a grade two UCLs

1136
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 1: brain which is what he has here, is about thirteen

1137
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: fourteen games, so you're looking at about a month of

1138
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: action here. But do you think Tess has a point like,

1139
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: if this is going to happen, he had been laboring

1140
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: through this. It had been hurting him, so now he's

1141
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: gonna sit it out. It should not be surgery that

1142
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: at least we know of. And okay, this is like

1143
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: the window to sit I guess if you're Paul George

1144
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: and the Clippers and maybe they can tend to tie,

1145
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: what do you think?

1146
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 4: Their schedule is pretty tough. I think they have the

1147
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 4: fifth toughest schedule remaining in the NBA, So it's it's

1148
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 4: rough timing for them, honestly and for us tanking siccos

1149
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 4: here in Oka see the Thunder have their unprotected pick,

1150
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 4: so obviously we don't want Paul George to get hurt.

1151
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 4: But also Thunder fans are like, okay, this is probably

1152
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 4: a good time for If the Clippers are going to miss,

1153
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 4: it's probably going to be because of this next month

1154
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 4: because they do.

1155
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 2: Have a tough schedule remaining.

1156
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 4: So I think we'll see the West is really weird.

1157
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 4: I don't really know who's going to be in the

1158
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 4: play in. Obviously the Clippers are going to have a

1159
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 4: good chance to still be there, but I still I

1160
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 4: worry a little bit about this upcoming schedule, and I've

1161
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 4: even talked to some people that cover the Clippers. They

1162
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 4: had feared that the wheels could come off with even

1163
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 4: Paul George there during the remaining schedule, and so with

1164
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 4: him gone, it'll be interesting to see because they've just

1165
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 4: been really inconsistent outside of PG. They don't really know

1166
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 4: what they're getting night to night from guys like Reggie

1167
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 4: Jackson or Eric bloodsoe. So it'll be really I'm interested

1168
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 4: to see how they play and if they can't overcome that.

1169
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Speaker 1: As the Thunder expert here, especially on today's podcast, remind

1170
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: me like, are there are there protections on these picks

1171
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: between Clippers and the Thunder, Like, what, what's the what's

1172
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: the breakdown there?

1173
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 4: They're not right, completely unprotected.

1174
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Clippers picks are wow.

1175
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: So so the worst the Clippers are, like you were saying,

1176
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: the happier, okayc fans are in theory because the better

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00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: the pick.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly this if this ends up being a

1179
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 4: lottery pick somehow, I mean, the Thunder are pretty excited

1180
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 4: because I mean, the Clippers are one of the best

1181
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 4: organizations in the league now, which kind of feels weird

1182
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 4: to say that the odds of any of these picks

1183
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 4: being really good or probably pretty low just because they're

1184
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 4: always making competent moves. They have ownership that will are

1185
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 4: as willing to pay the luxury tax, so they're going

1186
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 4: to always compete, so they so the thunder always kind

1187
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 4: of needed something like this to happen for the pick

1188
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 4: to actually be a good one.

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00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, And then that's fascinating, Like what's weird

1190
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: is there's no there's no then incentive for the Clippers

1191
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: to be like, okay, this is all lost here right right,

1192
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: you know, just don't even come back, Paul George, all right,

1193
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: you know, we'll slow play you for the rest of

1194
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,959
Speaker 1: the seedon because they would mean theory do that because

1195
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: they would keep a pick maybe you had some young

1196
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: talent there, but yeah, it's not even theirs, so.

1197
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 4: Right, the only one that you could reach for is

1198
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 4: that they do actually have a lot of young talent

1199
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 4: on their team, and so perhaps developing some of those

1200
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 4: guys or figuring out if you have anything in those

1201
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,959
Speaker 4: guys is like a like a weird like stealth tank

1202
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 4: for them just to see like okay, Brandon Boston, like

1203
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 4: what really are you? Like, let's bring up Keon Johnson

1204
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 4: from the G League and see if he's got any

1205
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 4: juice to him. You know, there's there's still some value

1206
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 4: to be had there if it is a lost season

1207
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 4: for them, because they have done I think they've done

1208
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 4: a great job with the draft and some of the

1209
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 4: players that they've got.

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Speaker 1: Final one here guys from the Athletic a fine website.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Cavaliers signed coach JB. Bickerstaff to multi year extension as

1213
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: the team contends for a playoff spot. Tasses Cleveland Cavaliers

1214
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: punking Casses Raptors. I mean, it wasn't really the Raptors,

1215
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: if we're being honest. It was a team that was

1216
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: apparently like slapped together, like two hours before the game.

1217
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: They were meeting each other on the bus ride to

1218
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: the arena with I believe four players on the hardship

1219
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: rule there in the Raptors. But anyway, Calves dominant victory

1220
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: and Bickerstaff getting rewarded for a test.

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00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 3: Shout out to JB. Bickerstaff and the fact that he

1222
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 3: took over midway through the season in the nineteen twenty

1223
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 3: year when John Bline, you know, said some things he

1224
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 3: shouldn't have and the former college coach was ousted. Jamie

1225
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 3: Bickerstaff picked up the slack mid season, and so I

1226
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 3: guess that I bring the timing up because I had

1227
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 3: forgotten that he had been there for a full season

1228
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 3: and a half before this year, before the Cavs really

1229
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 3: took off. And those two years. The year and a

1230
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 3: half was terrible in terms of wins in luck they

1231
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 3: won nineteen games in that first year and then twenty

1232
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 3: two games in his first full year last year.

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Speaker 2: But JB.

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00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 3: Bickerstaff was allowed to stick around and to be the

1235
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 3: head coach, and kudos to the Cavs for allowing that

1236
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 3: to happen. And he's had a couple interim coach stints

1237
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 3: before he's sort of been labeled as that interim coach guy.

1238
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 3: But now he has taken this team and should be

1239
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 3: given the reins, and now he's able to take this

1240
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 3: team to new heights, like one hundred and forty four

1241
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 3: points of us SmackDown against a Raptors team or eighty

1242
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 3: one points and a half against the Kings team. Man

1243
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 3: beating up on the Kings team again. But the Cavs

1244
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 3: just put up points and they have really come together

1245
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 3: as a solid team. So congrats, congrats to JB and

1246
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 3: his Bicker staff for putting together. Got to say it,

1247
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 3: I gotta say it. That's the man's name. It's hard,

1248
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 3: it's hard to get away from that pun. But yeah,

1249
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 3: they have been allowed to go with it. And Kobe Altman,

1250
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 3: you talked about the Clippers doing well in the draft, Andrew,

1251
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 3: the Kobe Altman and the Cavs front office has done

1252
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 3: really well in terms of their pickups and their signings,

1253
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 3: and obviously the Evan mobiley thing is the cherry on everything.

1254
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: But they were able to jump into the James Harden

1255
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 3: four way deal and get Jared Allen, and yeah, they

1256
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 3: just they keep hitting some singles here and hopefully it

1257
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 3: turns into a grand salami at some point, because they

1258
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 3: should be in the playoffs this year. They absolutely should

1259
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 3: be because they're one of the better teams in the NBA.

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01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 3: The Clippers, as you said, tough skid ahead. All the

1261
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 3: Calves have already faced a tough part of their sked

1262
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 3: with all their injuries and stuff, So they should be.

1263
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 3: They should be easily a playoff team. And what a

1264
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 3: bounce back from nineteen to twenty two win seasons.

1265
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think here finally Andrew of the

1266
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: Calves locking up the inevitable coach of the year here

1267
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: in bicker Staff. They want to get them under your contract.

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01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: I love it.

1269
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 4: This is the feel good story of the NBA, right,

1270
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 4: Like everybody was kind of laughing at the Calves and

1271
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 4: what they were doing, Like you draft another big and

1272
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 4: you just extended Jared out, You're doing what with Lowry Marketen?

1273
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 4: Like what's going on here? Like you clearly have no

1274
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 4: idea what you're doing with this basketball team? And then

1275
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 4: they lose Collin sext and like all these things seemingly working.

1276
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: Against them, but it all kind of comes together.

1277
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 4: And for a team that's been bad for so long,

1278
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people probably expected them to

1279
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 4: be in the lottery again and for them to put

1280
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 4: it all together and for it to work for a

1281
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 4: plan that no one thought would work to work, I

1282
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 4: think it's just fun. Like that's just it's a great story.

1283
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 4: And bicker Staff has been a part of it. Some

1284
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 4: of it is just the way that they played together,

1285
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 4: and that's a part. That's a huge part of being

1286
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 4: an NBA coach, just getting everybody in the same page.

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Speaker 4: And it seems like bicker Staff has done that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, especially when you consider like the young talent and

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Speaker 1: then like that infusion of the vets in Rubio of

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Speaker 1: course coming in there, and task was high on that.

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01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: But Kevin Loves still there and contributing. I will say,

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Speaker 1: I'm only worried about Bickerstaff and the Calves moving forward

1293
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: here is because I think the first headline I saw

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01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: on real GM this morning was still Calves very interested

1295
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: in Ben Simmons. Yes they are. I'm like, look, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you got a giant Kevin Love contract with Sexton. Have

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01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: to be involved, like you could get them. They they

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01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: in theory, they could. The pieces are there to acquire him.

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Speaker 2: They're not doing it doing it, Yeah, but that's.

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Speaker 1: What I'm concerned. I mean, it was like at a

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Speaker 1: certain point, I don't know, though, do you try and

1302
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: sell high on some of these guys playing sort of

1303
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: out of their heads right now or out of their

1304
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: minds or yeah, do you not rock the boat?

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01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 2: No?

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01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 3: No, I would be hesitant to bringing a guy taking

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01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 3: the ball out of Darius Garland's hands. And you know,

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01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 3: I would think about the karislovert potential move with the

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01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 3: Pacers because it's sort of a different signing. He could

1310
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 3: be that Colin Sexton role that Colin Sexton obviously has

1311
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 3: left because he's injured for the rest of the season.

1312
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 3: Maybe a sixth man. But no, I you know, you say,

1313
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 3: guys playing above their heads, their skeets. But I'm buying

1314
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 3: I'm buying Mobile, I'm buying Jared Allen, and I'm buying

1315
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 3: Darius Garland's growth.

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Speaker 2: So I wouldn't. I wouldn't mess with that. I wouldn't.

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01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 2: I wouldn't because the.

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01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,439
Speaker 1: Coral we talked about too, is a couple awesome growing

1319
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: together there with it with it.

1320
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, they need shooting. They don't need another non shooter, right,

1321
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 4: I just need to add shooting to this mix. And

1322
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 4: I think let the guys grow, Let the young guys

1323
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 4: grow a little bit.

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01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: Still with though, wants to know, does skeets post on

1325
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: real GM. Absolutely not. There are some hilarious comments on

1326
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: posts on real GM, though, so I will say that

1327
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: Do I read them every once in a while? Yes?

1328
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: Still with the post, my god, No, just reading the headlines,

1329
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: stay up, stay up with all the news and hopefully

1330
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: we just helped you as well.

1331
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 2: They still do the thing on real Gym where anybody

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01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: can post like it's a you know, a free for all.

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01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1334
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, any maybe any person.

1335
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 3: Just upload and then they figure it out on the

1336
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 3: back end.

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01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.

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01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

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01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: I think he I think still with though, was actually

1340
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: talking about you know, I see this, there's the headline,

1341
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: there's the article on the Cavs being interested in Ben Simmons,

1342
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: and then of course you can comment on it. I

1343
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: think that's what he means. But I'm sorry, I can't

1344
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: answer you.

1345
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 3: No, you're not You're not one of the commenters. But yeah,

1346
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 3: comment section always a fun place. I'm on the athletic

1347
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 3: comment section always a fun jam.

1348
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 2: James, this is true.

1349
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm more of an NBA analysis network. That's the only

1350
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: website I check more than basketball references MVP tracker. All right,

1351
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's get to a little tweet of the night.

1352
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Speaker 3: Tweet out the night.

1353
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 5: Wow, look at all over nailing the tweet of the

1354
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 5: night sting and I got a fun tweet I think

1355
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 5: here from Tim McMahon with ESPN.

1356
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: He tweeted MAVs play by play man Mark followell Is

1357
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: in the midst of a remarkable run in these strange times,

1358
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: an emergency solo broadcast carrying Dirk throughout his analysis debut,

1359
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: and now a last minute fill in for the Pelicans crew.

1360
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: Holy Tess, I know you love NBA broadcasters. They say

1361
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: the darness things at times, as you.

1362
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to say what come back?

1363
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, but what this is crazy here? I mean

1364
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: I love Tim taking a shot at Dirk. It just

1365
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, they've got great relationship there. But yeah, those

1366
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: three things had to do. A solo emergency one, then

1367
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: he did the thing with Dark and then filling in

1368
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: for the Pelicans broadcast.

1369
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 3: At this time of year as well, I find it

1370
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 3: the hardest time of the year to really produce excellence.

1371
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 3: It's especially being in this media game. This is the

1372
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 3: time of year where being pulled a thousand different directions

1373
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 3: and then follow well being pulled in another one. I mean,

1374
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 3: he's a profession I got two questions. Does this mean

1375
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 3: Joel Myers wasn't on the Pelicans broadcast?

1376
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: I actually I knew you're going to ask me that.

1377
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: I didn't look into it, that's right.

1378
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that Daniels was with was with Mark last night? Yeah?

1379
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 3: I think I got to hit up Joel and ask

1380
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 3: him how he's doing hopefully he's all right. Second thing there,

1381
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 3: there was the joke there that h follow well picked

1382
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 3: up Dirk Novitzky's black Ah. Yeah, yeah, he was carrying Dirk.

1383
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 2: I think the problem with the MAVs, and I hope

1384
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 2: this gets to follow, is that they try there's too

1385
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,919
Speaker 2: many voices. I know skin Way's great, but I need

1386
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 2: more Dirk Dirk oh sold. I think they had a

1387
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 2: three man booth with with the MAVs, and this is

1388
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 2: my production note. Let Dirk fly. Let me spread his wings. Okay, no,

1389
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 2: that's nuts, that's crazy, but I mean, yeah, he's carried

1390
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 2: some teams before.

1391
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,439
Speaker 3: No, but let him. Let him the three man booths.

1392
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 3: Sometimes you're taking away the shine of the one guy.

1393
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 2: Especially in a basketball game or flying. This isn't football.

1394
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: Tess is loving this podcast today.

1395
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 2: No, in basketball, you've got twenty four seconds and the

1396
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 2: play by play guys calling ten to fifteen eighteen seconds,

1397
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 2: and then.

1398
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 3: The other two guys in the booth. If there's three

1399
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 3: men booth just have to whip in one line. Dirk

1400
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 3: needs to spread the wings. Let Dirk fly, baby, let him,

1401
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 3: let him go get him on other broadcasts, let him

1402
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 3: go to the pels. Sorry, Antonio Daniels. I can't Dirk's

1403
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 3: going to be with Joel Myers for this one. But

1404
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 3: we had I'm sorry, we had a moment with Dirk

1405
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 3: Vitski on podcast last week. We featured a moment because

1406
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 3: Dirk was amazing on that broadcast. He was very, very,

1407
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 3: very funny, as you would expect, and so more Dirk

1408
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 3: in Our Lives.

1409
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with that.

1410
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: No, No, I am pro more Dirk in Our Lives.

1411
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: But I am also pro three men slash you know

1412
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: women at times in the booth, I like it. I

1413
01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: mean it's all it's all a chemistry thing, yeah, Drew,

1414
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 1: but you know, some of them pull it off. I

1415
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: think Matthew a phenomenal job, of course with the skin

1416
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: Weights through as the third voice there. The nets do

1417
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: it on broadcasts from time to time, you know, at

1418
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: least did I don't know what Richard Jefferson sort of

1419
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: like contract is now with the ESPN days there, but

1420
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: you know Coustock and Bird would be on the call.

1421
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of it. I usually like the three

1422
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: people calling a game, even the national broadcasts, even when

1423
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: it's like what Van Gundy and Jackson and I guess

1424
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: Breen is usually with them, right, But.

1425
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, just just let Dirk wade into the waters a

1426
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 2: little bit before you give him too much airspace.

1427
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, you gotta get your reps in here. Got

1428
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 1: to get your reps in all right. So that's tweeting

1429
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: and great stuff there from Tim McMahon Pick results from

1430
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: way back on Thursday night. It was that Spurs Lakers game.

1431
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 1: You might remember that Tess and I were tied going

1432
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 1: into this game for the month of December. It was

1433
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: a big one. Not anymore. He says, he's pumped because

1434
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: the Spurs hammered the Lakers, like I brought up earlier

1435
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 1: in the show, so they covered quite easily. They were

1436
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: dogs actually in this game somehow. But that's a victory

1437
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: for Tasks. He's seven and nine. It was a victory

1438
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: for Lee. He's nine and seven. Tray's okay with the loss.

1439
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: He's twelve and four. So I'm six and ten. I'm

1440
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 1: a game behind Task here. We have tonight's game, so

1441
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: I really need this one, and then we'll have December

1442
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: thirtieth in theory, so you will either wrap up the

1443
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 1: Montier task tonight and I will once again lose pick them.

1444
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 1: It'll be my fourth one that I'll have to pay

1445
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: off my God, or I'll tie it up. So this

1446
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: is extremely important. What's the game?

1447
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 3: Well, it's an eight game schedule tonight, and I went

1448
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 3: with one that is near and dear to our hearts

1449
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 3: here as Atlanta Hawks Bros. As supporters of the Atlanta

1450
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 3: Hawks being here in Atlanta. They are at home to

1451
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 3: the Chicago Bulls, obviously Trey's team. So it's a five

1452
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 3: and a half points spread. It's a seven games gain

1453
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 3: and I can't count, so five and a half points

1454
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 3: for the Hawks getting that at home because the Bulls

1455
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 3: are favored on the road. Obviously the Bulls are favored,

1456
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 3: but you'd think that the line might even be a

1457
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 3: little bit bigger than that because everybody is in Hawks protocols.

1458
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 3: John Collins added to the protocols after the Christmas Day game,

1459
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 3: and so five and a half points spread, even though

1460
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 3: he just get put in protocols. Yes, Lonzo Ball did

1461
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:25,679
Speaker 3: for the Chuggle Bulls, that's totally true. But the Hawks

1462
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 3: have been horrendous at home. They've dropped their last seven

1463
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 3: games at home, seven straight. So they can still lose

1464
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 3: this and cover because it's a five and a half

1465
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 3: point spread. But I'm feeling a little loop even going

1466
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 3: I'm being a little crazy here.

1467
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 2: I'm going with those Atlanta Hawks.

1468
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 3: I think the Bulls might overlook them a little bit,

1469
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 3: and I think it might carry over from yesterday they

1470
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 3: beat the Pacers. They allowed the Pacers to get on

1471
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:55,440
Speaker 3: the offensive glasses. This young Peppi Hawks team that's obviously

1472
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 3: doesn't have a ton of their players Trey and John

1473
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 3: Collins and Gas and Herder down the line. But I'm

1474
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 3: still taking them for some odd reason to to hang

1475
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 3: with the Bulls. Skeets, where are you feeling?

1476
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 1: Well? I have to take the opposite. So I was

1477
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: pumped to see you taking the Hawks at plus five

1478
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 1: and a half. You said you got some wiggle room there.

1479
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: For sure it could be a close game even if

1480
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: the Bulls get the victory. But yeah, Bulls are Bulls

1481
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: are back, I'm told every second day here on the show.

1482
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: So let's uh, let's continue those that that impressive play

1483
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: there Chicago. I need a win. I need a six

1484
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: point victory down here at the Fortress. What do you

1485
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: what do you think, Andrew? If you're a betting man,

1486
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: where would you be putting your herder in coin?

1487
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 2: Oh?

1488
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 4: Bulls.

1489
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:45,600
Speaker 1: No, I think people are saying tastes feeling generous. Is

1490
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: this my Christmas gift?

1491
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 4: Is that what you're trying to do.

1492
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see. Crazier things have happened in the NBA.

1493
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: Nothing's a gimme. But I need the Bulls to win

1494
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: by six points or more and uh task needs uh

1495
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 1: the Hawks to keep it close enough to wrap up

1496
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: the month in December and until we start this all

1497
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 1: over again in January. Okay, that's it for us. Let's

1498
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: call it there, guys, Come on, we got things to do,

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Speaker 1: all three of us, myself, Tasks, Andrew Schleck filling in

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Speaker 1: for JD.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back on Thursday, December thirtieth for our final

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Speaker 1: podcast of twenty twenty one. I think it's just the

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Speaker 1: three of us again. I can't keep track. I know

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Speaker 1: JD won't be here. TK. I think might be traveling

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Speaker 1: back from Chicago. Lee who knows what he's throwing in

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Speaker 1: the air in Calgary at this point, So it'll probably

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Speaker 1: just be the three of us. So help us out

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Speaker 1: with that show. Get your questions in, send them into

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Speaker 1: no Dunks at the Athletic dot Com. Maybe we'll do

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Speaker 1: a little beach step and follow us on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook,

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Speaker 1: TikTok at No dunks and you can grab yourself an

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Speaker 1: Athletic subscription. Nice deal going on right now end of

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Speaker 1: year deal twenty four dollars for a full year's worth

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Speaker 1: of Athletic subscriptions, great journalism and podcast free a podcast free,

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Speaker 1: ad free podcasts that'd be weird go to the Athletic

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Speaker 1: dot com slash dunks. Thank you so much to the

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Speaker 1: stream team for joining us here on a Monday little

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Speaker 1: Christmas hangover. I really appreciate you guys swinging through until

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Speaker 1: next time. Clipper bros.

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Speaker 4: You heard it here first, have a great time turn up,

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Speaker 4: Love you guys awesome.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, we're saying a lot of things incorrectly today

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Speaker 3: I had that brain fart with the d you're calling

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Speaker 3: podcast free podcasts there, skeets, And going back to our

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Speaker 3: last show in studio, we were talking about this deal

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Speaker 3: for the Athletic and we were saying that it's half off,

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Speaker 3: but it's actually you're only paying a third of the price.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, our numbers are just way off. It's just

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Speaker 2: a third, you're paying.

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Speaker 1: Third three Keep track of all these athletic deals.

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Speaker 3: I know we do it every week. They are fast

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Speaker 3: and furious. But yeah, third's better than half, three better

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Speaker 3: than two. Is that what they say in basketball? It's

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Speaker 3: not really it's a third, it's not three. But anyways,

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Speaker 3: fractions stats, ads can't keep them straight.

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Speaker 1: Embrace the day people.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. You could say oh every day, and that

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Speaker 2: you happy every minute. It's been so long that you're

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Speaker 2: the one I've waiting for. It's happened already.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be grifvy o