WEBVTT - Draft Show: Hard Players to Scout & Draft Jeopardy 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:07.280 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show. Cowboys on 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:10.240 the Pure War Room for in center news and draft 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:14.400 analysis from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:18.959 the Star in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Select Zikie Elliott and 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:24.160 now your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:27.680 us well well, well, well yeah, I can't even talk. 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:30.880 Well once again, welcome back to the draft show. Had 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.040 about three things going on ahead at that one time. 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:37.440 Brian brought us Dave Burglar. No David Hellman today, but 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.680 we do welcome in one of our scouting buddies. You 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.280 hear him on our draft coverage every year. He is 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:45.280 from one oh five three, the fan from the Ben 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:51.880 and Skin Show, Kevin kat Turner. Wow, thanks for having me, guys. Yeah, 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:53.560 this is an honor because I listened to you guys 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.200 all the time. Yeah, we learned the other day that 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.760 you just woke up and popped on three draft shows. 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:01.600 That are row right. I found it to be good 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:05.760 Saturday morning for me. Hangover, metis hangover, Matt there, just 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:07.840 listen to some draft because hurt your head a little more. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:10.080 Get up and get rolling. Then get up and get going. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:13.480 That's right. We got k Garrison executive producer. Great to 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.840 have you, though, kat and looking forward to your contributions 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.560 here throughout the year. We got to, like I say, 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.880 we've got Kick Garrison executive producing. Today, we've got a 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:23.720 new phone number two and you could probably see it 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.040 there on the screen eight eight eight eight five five 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.640 two two ninety seven. I've been told we actually got 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:30.520 a couple of lines. Am I right about that? Kent? 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:32.920 We got a couple of Yeah, So we're gonna test 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:34.920 this out with you guys today, so you'll see on 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:36.880 the screen eight eight eight eight five five two two 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.559 ninety seven. Is how you get a hold of us. 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.520 I want to dive into this program right off the bat, 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.960 and we're starting to get into these players. And I 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.400 want to know because Katie and I, Dane and you 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.440 and I did a little evaluation yesterday afternoon and then 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.760 Katie and Jeff Kavanaugh came in. I want to know 0:01:55.800 --> 0:02:00.360 what players you're having trouble evaluating and why I want 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:04.080 some names? I mean why, I mean I think that 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:07.120 when we watch this tape, you know, and the tape 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.640 that we're watching is the actual tape that the scouts 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.880 here at the Cowboys, or watched the actual college game tape. 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.440 You know, some of it's cut up, some of it's 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.679 just straight game tape. Yeah, the all twenty two, the sidelines, 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.200 a twenty two sideline, all that. I mean, hey, if 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:23.720 we have to look at a guy like we did 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:27.000 last night at South Dakota State, my god, we're gonna 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.119 look at a guy at South Dakota State, Al Goddard. Actually, yeah, exactly. 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:34.280 But I want to know what guys you're having trouble with, 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.240 because I wonder if teams are going to have the 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.320 same problems. Oh yeah, weapons, Yeah, I mean you've been 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.680 in a war room setting, so that there's some players 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.320 you watch and after two three tapes you know who 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.480 he is. You have a good idea of the skill set, 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.360 his strengths, weakness is what he can do, what he 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:53.160 offers you as a football player. On the flip side, 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.519 there are some other players where you watch over and over, 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.080 he just cannot get a feel for him. It's hard 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.400 to figure him out. It could be because of scheme, 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.960 it could be because a competition, could be he just 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:06.520 has a confused skill set where you know he he 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.000 gets the job done, but it's not the ideal traits 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:10.560 that you look for at that position. So there are 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.440 plenty of reasons why you don't get a player right away. 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:17.520 And I think already we've encountered plenty of prospects in 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.359 this class that we can already tell it's going to take, 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:22.240 you know, more than just a few game tapes to 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.640 figure them out. Yeah, Kat, I mean we you know, 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.000 you and I've been doing this together five years now, 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:29.880 you know. And I kind of feel like this is 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.519 one of those, for some reason classes where I have 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:38.520 more questions about guys early then I do, you know, like, Okay, 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:40.200 I feel really good about this guy. I mean, and 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.760 Dane's right, there's guys you feel good about, you know, 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:45.440 and you say, boom, put him right there, put him 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.840 in this round. But there's I think there's more guys 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.840 in this draft so far that what I've encountered that 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:52.560 don't feel I don't feel that way about it. Yeah, 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:53.640 I feel the same way. And I don't know if 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:55.720 that's something. Maybe it's a testament to the strength of 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.880 the draft class overall. Maybe it's not. Um, I know, 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:00.840 for me, I've got a lot out of names though, 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.120 of guys who and maybe part of the reason is 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.560 me going in with the idea maybe this is a 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.560 first or second round guy, so he's kind of going 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.240 off the list here. Maybe that's a maybe that's a 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:12.560 bit of the problem as well. Yeah, but I can 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.960 name five six guys right now, and if you said, hey, 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:17.800 I need you to take them at nineteen, and I 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.000 would say, I don't know if I can do that 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:21.679 right now, or I need you to take them at fifty. 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:23.720 I guess I don't know if I can take him 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:25.720 right there right now. And I think it'll clear up. 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.239 And there's a couple of guys I've watched multiple times, 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.640 you know, and come back around on back around and 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.400 get it figured out after that, And I think maybe 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:34.479 that's part of it as well. I think Durrwin James 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:36.560 is a guy like that for me, I mean, just 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:38.719 starting off a guy like you know, I did not 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.480 have a very good feel for Derwin James at Florida 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:43.880 State right off the bat, and then now you know, 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:45.960 more tape comes in you kind of say, okay, this 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.679 is what this guy is better athlete than football player. 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:52.080 And so it makes Derwin James hard to figure out 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.080 because even if he goes to the combine, blows it up. Okay, 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.240 we expected that, right, so you know, we know he's 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.360 a good athlete, but you put on the tape and 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.360 it's not the it's up and down. It's up and down. 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.359 That's the problem I have Derwin James a problem for you. 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.360 You know when I came back around the second time 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:08.760 because I watched him again and I went, Okay, now 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.720 I'm I get it, And it's more about his size 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:15.080 and strength than it is his coverability. Yeah for me, 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.240 And it's just sitting there and go, Okay, he's clearly 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.400 a strong safety to me, and I think there's a 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.599 lot of people and at Florida State he played you 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.640 know seven I thought I thought he was down in 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:25.840 the box was really good. Yeah, you know, and now 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:27.800 I'm thinking, Okay, do they need another down in the 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.039 box guy when I'm talking about the Cowboys or any 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.040 of your other NFL tone of those guys. Yeah, that's 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.440 what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what But 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:36.960 he's a guy, Dan, who's a guy you got, that's 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:40.159 a that's a guy that it's given you problems in 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:44.040 the evaluation of the early evaluation a name I wrote 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.240 down a guy we looked at yesterday extensively. Uh, and 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.520 I had had problems with this guy before we followed up. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.080 Watched him yesterday and I'm still not one hundred percent 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.200 feeling comfortable with his evaluation. And that's the tackle from 0:05:56.200 --> 0:06:00.480 Western Michigan Chuck wooma okafora. Yeah, this is a guy 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.160 who's a good Senior Bowl guy. So hopefully we can 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:06.000 learn more about him in mobile. But you you watch 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.880 the first few reps and your immediate thought is light 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:12.360 on defeat. Three thirty pound guy looks like Tyron Smith. Yeah, 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.480 bodies a good looking body. Yeah, not sloppy or anything 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.800 like that. The traits are great. He carries his weight 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.680 really well for three hundred and thirty pounds. A guy 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.960 that came here from Buttswana and T ten football is 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.840 still new to him. He's still figuring things out. I 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.279 hate to use the words soft, but he's you know, 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.720 in certain areas you know he needs needs. I just 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:33.600 I want him to dominate, and he doesn't do that 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.320 with those traits. He should be dominating with that power. 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.600 You just don't see it consistently. If football just doesn't 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:41.720 come natural to him, and it's only been in the 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.600 country since twenty right exactly, and so you have to 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.800 as a scout, as an evaluator, you have to figure out, Okay, 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.159 is he close to his ceiling already as a football 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.160 player or is because you know, he has this background 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.720 the way things are that he still has a lot 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.400 of ways he can improve, but because football doesn't come 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.440 natural to him and kind of clouds your your view 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.400 of him. So I think hopefully the Senior Bowl next 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:04.240 week will give us a better idea of who he is. 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.840 Scouts think of him potentially it's a first round pick 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.320 because he has first round traits, yes, and so the 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.160 tape isn't necessarily first round, but treates are no, and 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:15.559 so that's get him. Okay, you know, he didn't have PJ. Fleck, 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:19.880 you know, lighting exactly, So he didn't have that hard 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:21.400 coach I mean, you know, not the same thing against 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.160 Western Michigan's first year coaching staff this year with Tim 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:28.040 tim Lester. But he didn't have PJ. Fleck pushing him anymore. 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:31.120 And so going to the Senior Bowl, NFL coaching will 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.720 get on him. I'm eager to see his maturation from 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.200 Tuesday practice Thursday practice does he show the improvements that 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.000 I need to see with that coaching KT for me. 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.680 Connor Williams, and I know it's a name ember one 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.800 kind of yeah, but but it is very tough. And 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.320 I started out with the twenty seventeen tape, and the 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.000 twenty seventeen version of Connor Williams is completely different than 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.600 the twenty sixteen version of him, and especially which game 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:56.680 you watch in twos and seventeen? Yeah, I mean even 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:01.440 before the knee talked about the early game was terrible though, 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:03.760 and then when he came back West Virginia game he 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:05.960 played okay. But so it's just like what part of 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.560 the two and seventeen you watched? And so, yeah, absolutely, 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:10.520 Connor Williams a good name. So I went back and 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.640 watched him again, and it was more watched twenty seventeen 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.640 again because twenty sixteen he watched that, and you say, okay, 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:17.800 there's a perfect prospect. Okay, I feel great about that, 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:19.720 and I'm going back. Well, now I don't know what 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:21.520 to do with him, because well, what is is he 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.600 the twenty sixteen one? Is he the twenty seventeen one? 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.600 Watched a little more twenty seventeen tape and I like 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:28.800 how mean he is. I like how physical he is. 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.199 I am kind of want to playim at guard? Is 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:36.280 that bad? I mean it's tough because and I think 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.559 about things, you know, through the Cowboys lens or whatever, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.320 and I'm like, okay, now plays guard. Potentially Cowboys have 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.720 done that before. After watching him again, I said I 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:47.040 would I would have. I would be fully comfortable with 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.880 him at nineteen going to the Cowboys and they play 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.360 him at left guard, I would be completely comfortable with that. 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:54.720 And if he needs to be a tackle, I get it. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:56.520 But hey, Zach Martin could have been a tackle in 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.480 this league. Yeah, let's go do it. We've got a 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:00.280 hole there, let's fill it up. Yeah. And I think 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.560 there are certain players like Zach Martin to me, screamed guard. 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.920 Brandon Schurf from Iowa went to the Redskins scream guard. Yeah. Absolutely. 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:09.640 Connor Williams isn't that guy. And I'm not saying that 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.240 you're wrong because I yeah, I think he has a 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.760 skill set where he could do it. But yeah, at nineteen, 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.760 that'd be that'd be interesting that that's that's an's right 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:21.880 by where you would probably feel that he needs to go. Yeah, 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.560 and in my I just posting him new mock draft today, 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:27.320 I had him off the board in the top fifteen. 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.719 But he absolutely he quick team. Did you have to 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:31.959 by the way, your mock draft is, tell everybody where 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.040 that's going to be posted out. I'll tweet it out. Yeah, 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:35.839 It'll be on NFL draft scot dot com. I'll probably 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.640 posted on Dallas Morning News here shortly as well. But 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:42.199 it's I had them going thirteen to the Bengals who 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.760 need offensive tackle help. Yeah, I'll take your herd offensive 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:50.120 lineman exactly. Yeah, but no, I think you know to 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.920 your original point about trying to figure him out, it's 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:57.000 it's gonna take the whole process because no one needs 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.360 arguably a better spring than Connor Williams be because he 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.520 has to put to bed those those you know, the 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:06.480 doubt about what he put out there this year twenty 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:08.679 seventeen tape. And he can do that with a good 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:13.560 showing at the combine and the individual workouts. Shakim Griffin 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:18.920 outside linebacker, Central Florida and those that'll know, you know 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.160 he's he's been well talked about throughout his college career. 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:26.679 He has does not have a left hand, has year 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:30.079 old four years four years old birth effects. Uh, and 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.720 it's so it's something he's always known. Yeah, you know, 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.600 he's always played with he doesn't know life without it. Yeah. 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.560 He is a hell of a football player. Is And 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.680 where are you going to take him? This guy is? 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.000 I mean he is a blur on tape, he said. 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.880 I tweeted it last night. This kid is a He 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:51.280 is a football player and he can run. He gets 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.800 the football. He's mean, he could rush the passer. He 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:59.679 attacks the pocket. You do see the handicapped at times. Yeah, 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.960 and tackling in space he goes. He's taking on blocks, 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.080 taking all blocks. Two is another problem. Where do you 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:11.520 take this guy where? This guy is legitimately a second 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.160 round type of a guy. If you watch him play, 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:19.520 he will excite you watching him play. I mean it 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:23.960 is the guy makes plays. The problem is will the 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:28.640 handicap force him down the board. Yeah. And so now 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.320 now I'm struggling with where would I You know, I 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.800 want to be true to the kid. I want to 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:35.560 take the kid where he deserves. I mean, you and 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:39.560 I had this discussion last night because you're watching the 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:43.560 tape and you're like, in in big time settings, he's 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.800 making plays place and you and the place speeding. But 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.559 you're thinking. But then again, you see some plays where 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.920 the lack of the use of a hand hurts him, 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.960 miss tackles, inability to take on blocks exactly. You see 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.120 him play with one hand. When he does that, he 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:03.200 relies on speed. That's the game, and that's great. You know, 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:06.560 he has outstanding speed for the position. But in the NFL, 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:09.600 we've seen it time and time again. You know, you 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.600 you have to have the ability to get off blocks. Yeah, 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:14.880 technical sad, Yeah, what about our guy? Last night we 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.560 talk about get off blocks? Are Iowa linebacker Droop? Yeah? 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.280 The leak? You see the problem. And you know, here's 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.240 the problem. If you can't get off blocks, I don't 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.480 care how good you are, you know. And that's that's 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.960 again the problem I have with Griffin. I love the kid, 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.760 I really do. I want to push him way up 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.400 the board Senior Bowl guy. Yeah, and that and that's good. 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.679 We'll see him there him next week. I guarantee you 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.120 all the buzz will be about him. Oh it'll be some. 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:42.360 It will be some stories about how he's dealt with 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:45.600 the handicap. But then you watch him play and he's 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.079 gonna run around some of these offensive tackles and you're 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:51.400 gonna go huh oh broad is he as he's talking about. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:53.560 But there'll be more teams in the NFL that run 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.040 away from him because of the handicap. Then that's the 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.880 problem in love with him because of a the story 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.760 and be his actual I just wonder where teams are 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.640 gonna put him on their boards. Is the is the 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.920 Is that handicap too much for him to overcome? Early 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.400 day three? That's I put him fourth round. So yeah, 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.199 first round and on day three. That's why you know, 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.400 I want to call you a coward right now, don't you. 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.280 I know, But it's but you're right, I'm not. I'm 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.160 just when you grow, when you drop, when you put 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:23.080 a round on a player, you are envisioning his role. Yeah, 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.440 with this player, what's his role? I think he can 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.599 be an outstanding special teams player and a guy the 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.040 equal player. Occasionally bring in on some package situations to 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.360 rush a passer, do something you know he can drop 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:37.160 with as an athleticism. If you're drafting higher for me, 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.360 the top three rounds are reserved for starters. I'm getting 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.959 starters in the top three rounds. That's nothing. Against Griffin. 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:44.800 I think he can be an outstanding player. But in 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:46.360 the fourth round, that's where I'm gonna take a sub 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.760 package player, a special teams guy. And you know, I 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.480 don't think that that's necessarily medical round. Is that kind 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.520 of where you're seeing it again? And that's not necessarily 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.160 insulting the kid? Oh, it's not. But there's some I'd 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:58.840 guarantee you he will not be on every draft board. 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:00.480 Some teams won't even draft to be because of his 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.559 shame on them. And yeah, because he's a good player, 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:06.599 this guy, where do you have him? Where would you 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.520 feel comfortable drafting and brought us? Oh, I'd I'd be 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:10.640 comfortable draft him in the second round if it was me, 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.640 take him at fifty. I love the player, but I 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:15.559 you know, you're right, And this goes back to the 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:17.840 whole point. That's what I'm saying that he is. He 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:23.120 has second roundability, absolutely second roundability. And the problem is 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.040 though you're gonna sit there and you're gonna get people, 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.560 you're gonna get in this war room setting and you're 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:31.920 and someone's gonna say he's got one hand, Brian, how 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:33.640 can you take up one hand? Guy? How can you 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:35.840 take a player with one hand. I'm like, watch the tape. 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:38.800 This happens every year there's a guy I remember, and 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.320 whether however good he was whatever you think about that. 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.480 But Sean Coleman had cancer or whatever, and it's like, Okay, well, 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.200 is that gonna slide him down the boards a little bit? Yeah, Mike, 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:48.800 people are probably gonna be scared to take a guy 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.360 who had, you know, leukemia at one time. Yeah, give 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.520 me another player of Dane Harold Landry the Boston call. 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.840 Oh you got one of my guys? Uh, this is 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.920 a player who I thought loves This guy declared early 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.600 last year, I like this guy. Did you guys both 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.160 have issues with him? I had issues? Absolutely? Yeah. And 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:06.720 this is where you had again had to go back 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.760 and watch him in twenty sixteen because this year he 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.160 had he was playing with one foot, his ankle was 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.080 messed up. So it's like, it's really hard to take 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.400 him seriously this year because his ankle. He was hurt, 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.040 and there's a little bit of not wanting to push 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.240 himself too hard because he didn't want to get further 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:26.800 hurt the injury even more so, he's tough because, yeah, 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.720 you watch his junior tape and you see him off 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.880 the edge, wrapped the corner, finished at the quarterback. This 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.000 year you just didn't see that enough. And so this 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.480 is another Senior Bowl guy, another player that I think 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.440 we hopefully we learn more about in movie. How many 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.440 guys do you have ahead of him on your board 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:49.560 at pass rusher? As a pass rusher Chubb key key, 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:51.520 I don't Okay, he's kill the guy that belongs in 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.360 his yea arden key for sure. Oh no, I'm not 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.720 going to avoid my LSU guy. There. He's a guy 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:58.800 will need to be talking about. We'll need every day 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:00.840 up until the draft to try figure him out. What 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:06.200 makes him tick? What is driving him to play football? 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.000 Is he a guy that you can rely on in 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.160 the building and away from the building to really maximize 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.640 that potential because the potential top ten, Yeah, here's your guy, 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:17.560 kat Courtland Sutton. Now, part of this I will say 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.320 just because living in the DFW area and we have 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.000 listeners all over the globe here, but living in the 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.520 DFW area, you get all the hype of this this 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.640 kid and then watched him and you go in just 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:30.920 kind of thinking, hey, I'm going to see a first 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.680 round type of player, and I had a lot of issues, 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.600 and I you know, I think there's already there's plenty 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:40.600 of times we've talked about, you know, the size issues 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.400 that players have that maybe they can't get separation, the 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.800 slower guys, the more lumbering guys, but the physical type 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:48.680 of guys and maybe wanting to go away from that. 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.920 We were watching him play Hughes last night from Central 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:55.240 Florida and it wasn't fair. I want him to play tougher, 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.200 I want him to play stronger. I want him to 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.440 play to his size. You know, I'm not sure he 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.760 always does that. And uh, I mean there's also the 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:04.720 fact that he could go running four or five, five, 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:06.240 and you're sitting there going, well, I don't know if 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:08.120 he's gonna be able to get away from anybody. Yeah. 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:10.720 So I mean, I I don't know. There's I got 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.520 five or six wide receivers or seven right now, seven 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.480 wide receivers in front of him, and it will probably 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.560 be more as I keep diving deeper into this with Sutton. 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.280 That's just the offense he played in a SMU is 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:24.440 so different than what he'll be us to do in 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.960 the NFL. Yeah, and how quickly will you make those adjustments. Yeah. 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.359 Will it take a couple of games, Yeah, a couple 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.800 of seasons. We've seen that with a Lakwan Treadwell right 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:36.720 now in Minnesota. It's taken him the way too long. Yeah, 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:38.959 big jump for him going from that way too offense 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.199 to this. I wanted a more polished player and it 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:45.280 just didn't. It didn't happen. You know, I agree, Help 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.520 me help me with my wake fourt guy, safety, du 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:57.720 pass rusher, duo man. Duke, Duke's tough. Yeah, another one. 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.159 There are times. Another one. You watch you watch the 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.000 film when it start you watching me with Snower Dame, 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:06.520 You're going what you watch him against some other teams, 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:08.879 You're like, going, bring that guy on board to me. 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.680 If you just put just all the snaps in the 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:15.000 line randomly, he would be the first one off the line, 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:16.760 and then the next play he's the last guy off 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.480 the line and he's sluggish, and the next plays in 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.880 the backfield and the next player, I don't know where 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.200 he's at. Like, it's had a lot of issues with Duke, 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.000 and I loved him the first time, and then the 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.440 second time went through and went wait, just hauling a 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.960 whole different game. There's another there's another rusher. Would you 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:35.320 throw Chubb in that group? And EDG four is interesting 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.960 because he wake force by the way, defensive end just 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.480 went right. Yeah, he didn't do anything like in college. 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:43.400 He was on the jv as junior year. Yeah, then 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:47.560 his senior year he became this player. Then caught some 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.160 eyes and so he's kind of a late bloomer, still 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.840 figuring things out. But his hand usage really impressive. Sure 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.560 it is, and that's really what gets you going. He 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:02.000