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Speaker 1: from one oh five three, the fan from the Ben
Speaker 1: and Skin Show, Kevin kat Turner. Wow, thanks for having me, guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is an honor because I listened to you guys
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Speaker 1: That's right. We got k Garrison executive producer. Great to
Speaker 1: have you, though, kat and looking forward to your contributions
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Speaker 1: I want to dive into this program right off the bat,
Speaker 1: and we're starting to get into these players. And I
Speaker 1: want to know because Katie and I, Dane and you
Speaker 1: and I did a little evaluation yesterday afternoon and then
Speaker 1: Katie and Jeff Kavanaugh came in. I want to know
Speaker 1: what players you're having trouble evaluating and why I want
Speaker 1: some names? I mean why, I mean I think that
Speaker 1: when we watch this tape, you know, and the tape
Speaker 1: that we're watching is the actual tape that the scouts
Speaker 1: here at the Cowboys, or watched the actual college game tape.
Speaker 1: You know, some of it's cut up, some of it's
Speaker 1: just straight game tape. Yeah, the all twenty two, the sidelines,
Speaker 1: a twenty two sideline, all that. I mean, hey, if
Speaker 1: we have to look at a guy like we did
Speaker 1: last night at South Dakota State, my god, we're gonna
Speaker 1: look at a guy at South Dakota State, Al Goddard. Actually, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: But I want to know what guys you're having trouble with,
Speaker 1: because I wonder if teams are going to have the
Speaker 1: same problems. Oh yeah, weapons, Yeah, I mean you've been
Speaker 1: in a war room setting, so that there's some players
Speaker 1: you watch and after two three tapes you know who
Speaker 1: he is. You have a good idea of the skill set,
Speaker 1: his strengths, weakness is what he can do, what he
Speaker 1: offers you as a football player. On the flip side,
Speaker 1: there are some other players where you watch over and over,
Speaker 1: he just cannot get a feel for him. It's hard
Speaker 1: to figure him out. It could be because of scheme,
Speaker 1: it could be because a competition, could be he just
Speaker 1: has a confused skill set where you know he he
Speaker 1: gets the job done, but it's not the ideal traits
Speaker 1: that you look for at that position. So there are
Speaker 1: plenty of reasons why you don't get a player right away.
Speaker 1: And I think already we've encountered plenty of prospects in
Speaker 1: this class that we can already tell it's going to take,
Speaker 1: you know, more than just a few game tapes to
Speaker 1: figure them out. Yeah, Kat, I mean we you know,
Speaker 1: you and I've been doing this together five years now,
Speaker 1: you know. And I kind of feel like this is
Speaker 1: one of those, for some reason classes where I have
Speaker 1: more questions about guys early then I do, you know, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I feel really good about this guy. I mean, and
Speaker 1: Dane's right, there's guys you feel good about, you know,
Speaker 1: and you say, boom, put him right there, put him
Speaker 1: in this round. But there's I think there's more guys
Speaker 1: in this draft so far that what I've encountered that
Speaker 1: don't feel I don't feel that way about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel the same way. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's something. Maybe it's a testament to the strength of
Speaker 1: the draft class overall. Maybe it's not. Um, I know,
Speaker 1: for me, I've got a lot out of names though,
Speaker 1: of guys who and maybe part of the reason is
Speaker 1: me going in with the idea maybe this is a
Speaker 1: first or second round guy, so he's kind of going
Speaker 1: off the list here. Maybe that's a maybe that's a
Speaker 1: bit of the problem as well. Yeah, but I can
Speaker 1: name five six guys right now, and if you said, hey,
Speaker 1: I need you to take them at nineteen, and I
Speaker 1: would say, I don't know if I can do that
Speaker 1: right now, or I need you to take them at fifty.
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know if I can take him
Speaker 1: right there right now. And I think it'll clear up.
Speaker 1: And there's a couple of guys I've watched multiple times,
Speaker 1: you know, and come back around on back around and
Speaker 1: get it figured out after that, And I think maybe
Speaker 1: that's part of it as well. I think Durrwin James
Speaker 1: is a guy like that for me, I mean, just
Speaker 1: starting off a guy like you know, I did not
Speaker 1: have a very good feel for Derwin James at Florida
Speaker 1: State right off the bat, and then now you know,
Speaker 1: more tape comes in you kind of say, okay, this
Speaker 1: is what this guy is better athlete than football player.
Speaker 1: And so it makes Derwin James hard to figure out
Speaker 1: because even if he goes to the combine, blows it up. Okay,
Speaker 1: we expected that, right, so you know, we know he's
Speaker 1: a good athlete, but you put on the tape and
Speaker 1: it's not the it's up and down. It's up and down.
Speaker 1: That's the problem I have Derwin James a problem for you.
Speaker 1: You know when I came back around the second time
Speaker 1: because I watched him again and I went, Okay, now
Speaker 1: I'm I get it, And it's more about his size
Speaker 1: and strength than it is his coverability. Yeah for me,
Speaker 1: And it's just sitting there and go, Okay, he's clearly
Speaker 1: a strong safety to me, and I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people and at Florida State he played you
Speaker 1: know seven I thought I thought he was down in
Speaker 1: the box was really good. Yeah, you know, and now
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, do they need another down in the
Speaker 1: box guy when I'm talking about the Cowboys or any
Speaker 1: of your other NFL tone of those guys. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what But
Speaker 1: he's a guy, Dan, who's a guy you got, that's
Speaker 1: a that's a guy that it's given you problems in
Speaker 1: the evaluation of the early evaluation a name I wrote
Speaker 1: down a guy we looked at yesterday extensively. Uh, and
Speaker 1: I had had problems with this guy before we followed up.
Speaker 1: Watched him yesterday and I'm still not one hundred percent
Speaker 1: feeling comfortable with his evaluation. And that's the tackle from
Speaker 1: Western Michigan Chuck wooma okafora. Yeah, this is a guy
Speaker 1: who's a good Senior Bowl guy. So hopefully we can
Speaker 1: learn more about him in mobile. But you you watch
Speaker 1: the first few reps and your immediate thought is light
Speaker 1: on defeat. Three thirty pound guy looks like Tyron Smith. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bodies a good looking body. Yeah, not sloppy or anything
Speaker 1: like that. The traits are great. He carries his weight
Speaker 1: really well for three hundred and thirty pounds. A guy
Speaker 1: that came here from Buttswana and T ten football is
Speaker 1: still new to him. He's still figuring things out. I
Speaker 1: hate to use the words soft, but he's you know,
Speaker 1: in certain areas you know he needs needs. I just
Speaker 1: I want him to dominate, and he doesn't do that
Speaker 1: with those traits. He should be dominating with that power.
Speaker 1: You just don't see it consistently. If football just doesn't
Speaker 1: come natural to him, and it's only been in the
Speaker 1: country since twenty right exactly, and so you have to
Speaker 1: as a scout, as an evaluator, you have to figure out, Okay,
Speaker 1: is he close to his ceiling already as a football
Speaker 1: player or is because you know, he has this background
Speaker 1: the way things are that he still has a lot
Speaker 1: of ways he can improve, but because football doesn't come
Speaker 1: natural to him and kind of clouds your your view
Speaker 1: of him. So I think hopefully the Senior Bowl next
Speaker 1: week will give us a better idea of who he is.
Speaker 1: Scouts think of him potentially it's a first round pick
Speaker 1: because he has first round traits, yes, and so the
Speaker 1: tape isn't necessarily first round, but treates are no, and
Speaker 1: so that's get him. Okay, you know, he didn't have PJ. Fleck,
Speaker 1: you know, lighting exactly, So he didn't have that hard
Speaker 1: coach I mean, you know, not the same thing against
Speaker 1: Western Michigan's first year coaching staff this year with Tim
Speaker 1: tim Lester. But he didn't have PJ. Fleck pushing him anymore.
Speaker 1: And so going to the Senior Bowl, NFL coaching will
Speaker 1: get on him. I'm eager to see his maturation from
Speaker 1: Tuesday practice Thursday practice does he show the improvements that
Speaker 1: I need to see with that coaching KT for me.
Speaker 1: Connor Williams, and I know it's a name ember one
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, but but it is very tough. And
Speaker 1: I started out with the twenty seventeen tape, and the
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen version of Connor Williams is completely different than
Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen version of him, and especially which game
Speaker 1: you watch in twos and seventeen? Yeah, I mean even
Speaker 1: before the knee talked about the early game was terrible though,
Speaker 1: and then when he came back West Virginia game he
Speaker 1: played okay. But so it's just like what part of
Speaker 1: the two and seventeen you watched? And so, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: Connor Williams a good name. So I went back and
Speaker 1: watched him again, and it was more watched twenty seventeen
Speaker 1: again because twenty sixteen he watched that, and you say, okay,
Speaker 1: there's a perfect prospect. Okay, I feel great about that,
Speaker 1: and I'm going back. Well, now I don't know what
Speaker 1: to do with him, because well, what is is he
Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen one? Is he the twenty seventeen one?
Speaker 1: Watched a little more twenty seventeen tape and I like
Speaker 1: how mean he is. I like how physical he is.
Speaker 1: I am kind of want to playim at guard? Is
Speaker 1: that bad? I mean it's tough because and I think
Speaker 1: about things, you know, through the Cowboys lens or whatever,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, now plays guard. Potentially Cowboys have
Speaker 1: done that before. After watching him again, I said I
Speaker 1: would I would have. I would be fully comfortable with
Speaker 1: him at nineteen going to the Cowboys and they play
Speaker 1: him at left guard, I would be completely comfortable with that.
Speaker 1: And if he needs to be a tackle, I get it.
Speaker 1: But hey, Zach Martin could have been a tackle in
Speaker 1: this league. Yeah, let's go do it. We've got a
Speaker 1: hole there, let's fill it up. Yeah. And I think
Speaker 1: there are certain players like Zach Martin to me, screamed guard.
Speaker 1: Brandon Schurf from Iowa went to the Redskins scream guard. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Connor Williams isn't that guy. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: you're wrong because I yeah, I think he has a
Speaker 1: skill set where he could do it. But yeah, at nineteen,
Speaker 1: that'd be that'd be interesting that that's that's an's right
Speaker 1: by where you would probably feel that he needs to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and in my I just posting him new mock draft today,
Speaker 1: I had him off the board in the top fifteen.
Speaker 1: But he absolutely he quick team. Did you have to
Speaker 1: by the way, your mock draft is, tell everybody where
Speaker 1: that's going to be posted out. I'll tweet it out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It'll be on NFL draft scot dot com. I'll probably
Speaker 1: posted on Dallas Morning News here shortly as well. But
Speaker 1: it's I had them going thirteen to the Bengals who
Speaker 1: need offensive tackle help. Yeah, I'll take your herd offensive
Speaker 1: lineman exactly. Yeah, but no, I think you know to
Speaker 1: your original point about trying to figure him out, it's
Speaker 1: it's gonna take the whole process because no one needs
Speaker 1: arguably a better spring than Connor Williams be because he
Speaker 1: has to put to bed those those you know, the
Speaker 1: doubt about what he put out there this year twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen tape. And he can do that with a good
Speaker 1: showing at the combine and the individual workouts. Shakim Griffin
Speaker 1: outside linebacker, Central Florida and those that'll know, you know
Speaker 1: he's he's been well talked about throughout his college career.
Speaker 1: He has does not have a left hand, has year
Speaker 1: old four years four years old birth effects. Uh, and
Speaker 1: it's so it's something he's always known. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he's always played with he doesn't know life without it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He is a hell of a football player. Is And
Speaker 1: where are you going to take him? This guy is?
Speaker 1: I mean he is a blur on tape, he said.
Speaker 1: I tweeted it last night. This kid is a He
Speaker 1: is a football player and he can run. He gets
Speaker 1: the football. He's mean, he could rush the passer. He
Speaker 1: attacks the pocket. You do see the handicapped at times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and tackling in space he goes. He's taking on blocks,
Speaker 1: taking all blocks. Two is another problem. Where do you
Speaker 1: take this guy where? This guy is legitimately a second
Speaker 1: round type of a guy. If you watch him play,
Speaker 1: he will excite you watching him play. I mean it
Speaker 1: is the guy makes plays. The problem is will the
Speaker 1: handicap force him down the board. Yeah. And so now
Speaker 1: now I'm struggling with where would I You know, I
Speaker 1: want to be true to the kid. I want to
Speaker 1: take the kid where he deserves. I mean, you and
Speaker 1: I had this discussion last night because you're watching the
Speaker 1: tape and you're like, in in big time settings, he's
Speaker 1: making plays place and you and the place speeding. But
Speaker 1: you're thinking. But then again, you see some plays where
Speaker 1: the lack of the use of a hand hurts him,
Speaker 1: miss tackles, inability to take on blocks exactly. You see
Speaker 1: him play with one hand. When he does that, he
Speaker 1: relies on speed. That's the game, and that's great. You know,
Speaker 1: he has outstanding speed for the position. But in the NFL,
Speaker 1: we've seen it time and time again. You know, you
Speaker 1: you have to have the ability to get off blocks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: technical sad, Yeah, what about our guy? Last night we
Speaker 1: talk about get off blocks? Are Iowa linebacker Droop? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The leak? You see the problem. And you know, here's
Speaker 1: the problem. If you can't get off blocks, I don't
Speaker 1: care how good you are, you know. And that's that's
Speaker 1: again the problem I have with Griffin. I love the kid,
Speaker 1: I really do. I want to push him way up
Speaker 1: the board Senior Bowl guy. Yeah, and that and that's good.
Speaker 1: We'll see him there him next week. I guarantee you
Speaker 1: all the buzz will be about him. Oh it'll be some.
Speaker 1: It will be some stories about how he's dealt with
Speaker 1: the handicap. But then you watch him play and he's
Speaker 1: gonna run around some of these offensive tackles and you're
Speaker 1: gonna go huh oh broad is he as he's talking about.
Speaker 1: But there'll be more teams in the NFL that run
Speaker 1: away from him because of the handicap. Then that's the
Speaker 1: problem in love with him because of a the story
Speaker 1: and be his actual I just wonder where teams are
Speaker 1: gonna put him on their boards. Is the is the
Speaker 1: Is that handicap too much for him to overcome? Early
Speaker 1: day three? That's I put him fourth round. So yeah,
Speaker 1: first round and on day three. That's why you know,
Speaker 1: I want to call you a coward right now, don't you.
Speaker 1: I know, But it's but you're right, I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: just when you grow, when you drop, when you put
Speaker 1: a round on a player, you are envisioning his role. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with this player, what's his role? I think he can
Speaker 1: be an outstanding special teams player and a guy the
Speaker 1: equal player. Occasionally bring in on some package situations to
Speaker 1: rush a passer, do something you know he can drop
Speaker 1: with as an athleticism. If you're drafting higher for me,
Speaker 1: the top three rounds are reserved for starters. I'm getting
Speaker 1: starters in the top three rounds. That's nothing. Against Griffin.
Speaker 1: I think he can be an outstanding player. But in
Speaker 1: the fourth round, that's where I'm gonna take a sub
Speaker 1: package player, a special teams guy. And you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think that that's necessarily medical round. Is that kind
Speaker 1: of where you're seeing it again? And that's not necessarily
Speaker 1: insulting the kid? Oh, it's not. But there's some I'd
Speaker 1: guarantee you he will not be on every draft board.
Speaker 1: Some teams won't even draft to be because of his
Speaker 1: shame on them. And yeah, because he's a good player,
Speaker 1: this guy, where do you have him? Where would you
Speaker 1: feel comfortable drafting and brought us? Oh, I'd I'd be
Speaker 1: comfortable draft him in the second round if it was me,
Speaker 1: take him at fifty. I love the player, but I
Speaker 1: you know, you're right, And this goes back to the
Speaker 1: whole point. That's what I'm saying that he is. He
Speaker 1: has second roundability, absolutely second roundability. And the problem is
Speaker 1: though you're gonna sit there and you're gonna get people,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get in this war room setting and you're
Speaker 1: and someone's gonna say he's got one hand, Brian, how
Speaker 1: can you take up one hand? Guy? How can you
Speaker 1: take a player with one hand. I'm like, watch the tape.
Speaker 1: This happens every year there's a guy I remember, and
Speaker 1: whether however good he was whatever you think about that.
Speaker 1: But Sean Coleman had cancer or whatever, and it's like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: is that gonna slide him down the boards a little bit? Yeah, Mike,
Speaker 1: people are probably gonna be scared to take a guy
Speaker 1: who had, you know, leukemia at one time. Yeah, give
Speaker 1: me another player of Dane Harold Landry the Boston call.
Speaker 1: Oh you got one of my guys? Uh, this is
Speaker 1: a player who I thought loves This guy declared early
Speaker 1: last year, I like this guy. Did you guys both
Speaker 1: have issues with him? I had issues? Absolutely? Yeah. And
Speaker 1: this is where you had again had to go back
Speaker 1: and watch him in twenty sixteen because this year he
Speaker 1: had he was playing with one foot, his ankle was
Speaker 1: messed up. So it's like, it's really hard to take
Speaker 1: him seriously this year because his ankle. He was hurt,
Speaker 1: and there's a little bit of not wanting to push
Speaker 1: himself too hard because he didn't want to get further
Speaker 1: hurt the injury even more so, he's tough because, yeah,
Speaker 1: you watch his junior tape and you see him off
Speaker 1: the edge, wrapped the corner, finished at the quarterback. This
Speaker 1: year you just didn't see that enough. And so this
Speaker 1: is another Senior Bowl guy, another player that I think
Speaker 1: we hopefully we learn more about in movie. How many
Speaker 1: guys do you have ahead of him on your board
Speaker 1: at pass rusher? As a pass rusher Chubb key key,
Speaker 1: I don't Okay, he's kill the guy that belongs in
Speaker 1: his yea arden key for sure. Oh no, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to avoid my LSU guy. There. He's a guy
Speaker 1: will need to be talking about. We'll need every day
Speaker 1: up until the draft to try figure him out. What
Speaker 1: makes him tick? What is driving him to play football?
Speaker 1: Is he a guy that you can rely on in
Speaker 1: the building and away from the building to really maximize
Speaker 1: that potential because the potential top ten, Yeah, here's your guy,
Speaker 1: kat Courtland Sutton. Now, part of this I will say
Speaker 1: just because living in the DFW area and we have
Speaker 1: listeners all over the globe here, but living in the
Speaker 1: DFW area, you get all the hype of this this
Speaker 1: kid and then watched him and you go in just
Speaker 1: kind of thinking, hey, I'm going to see a first
Speaker 1: round type of player, and I had a lot of issues,
Speaker 1: and I you know, I think there's already there's plenty
Speaker 1: of times we've talked about, you know, the size issues
Speaker 1: that players have that maybe they can't get separation, the
Speaker 1: slower guys, the more lumbering guys, but the physical type
Speaker 1: of guys and maybe wanting to go away from that.
Speaker 1: We were watching him play Hughes last night from Central
Speaker 1: Florida and it wasn't fair. I want him to play tougher,
Speaker 1: I want him to play stronger. I want him to
Speaker 1: play to his size. You know, I'm not sure he
Speaker 1: always does that. And uh, I mean there's also the
Speaker 1: fact that he could go running four or five, five,
Speaker 1: and you're sitting there going, well, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to get away from anybody. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I I don't know. There's I got
Speaker 1: five or six wide receivers or seven right now, seven
Speaker 1: wide receivers in front of him, and it will probably
Speaker 1: be more as I keep diving deeper into this with Sutton.
Speaker 1: That's just the offense he played in a SMU is
Speaker 1: so different than what he'll be us to do in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Yeah, and how quickly will you make those adjustments. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Will it take a couple of games, Yeah, a couple
Speaker 1: of seasons. We've seen that with a Lakwan Treadwell right
Speaker 1: now in Minnesota. It's taken him the way too long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: big jump for him going from that way too offense
Speaker 1: to this. I wanted a more polished player and it
Speaker 1: just didn't. It didn't happen. You know, I agree, Help
Speaker 1: me help me with my wake fourt guy, safety, du
Speaker 1: pass rusher, duo man. Duke, Duke's tough. Yeah, another one.
Speaker 1: There are times. Another one. You watch you watch the
Speaker 1: film when it start you watching me with Snower Dame,
Speaker 1: You're going what you watch him against some other teams,
Speaker 1: You're like, going, bring that guy on board to me.
Speaker 1: If you just put just all the snaps in the
Speaker 1: line randomly, he would be the first one off the line,
Speaker 1: and then the next play he's the last guy off
Speaker 1: the line and he's sluggish, and the next plays in
Speaker 1: the backfield and the next player, I don't know where
Speaker 1: he's at. Like, it's had a lot of issues with Duke,
Speaker 1: and I loved him the first time, and then the
Speaker 1: second time went through and went wait, just hauling a
Speaker 1: whole different game. There's another there's another rusher. Would you
Speaker 1: throw Chubb in that group? And EDG four is interesting
Speaker 1: because he wake force by the way, defensive end just
Speaker 1: went right. Yeah, he didn't do anything like in college.
Speaker 1: He was on the jv as junior year. Yeah, then
Speaker 1: his senior year he became this player. Then caught some
Speaker 1: eyes and so he's kind of a late bloomer, still
Speaker 1: figuring things out. But his hand usage really impressive. Sure
Speaker 1: it is, and that's really what gets you going. He
Speaker 1: was actually high school teamates with Oklahoma pass rusher Quo. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We're just going on these names. Yeah, there's plenty of
Speaker 1: them this year. But yeah, no, I edge for another
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna be tough to figure out. See I'm
Speaker 1: watching the tape and then and I'm thinking, man, this
Speaker 1: guy gets it. The hand used, the get the ability
Speaker 1: to bend the you know, the way he plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all that stuff he gets to the quarterback, he makes tackles,
Speaker 1: they use him inside some of the stuff. He's playing
Speaker 1: as a nickel rusher. And you're going, okay, And then,
Speaker 1: like I say, there's some other tape where you're going,
Speaker 1: is that the same guy? Yeah? Is that the same?
Speaker 1: Is he the same rusher, and that's what everybody's looking for.
Speaker 1: They're looking for these edge guys. He's got ability, got
Speaker 1: a lot of it. But man, the inconsistency of the
Speaker 1: player just scares me to death. Day two player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but you're kind of like going, you know, whin
Speaker 1: ye win in day two? You know that's the thing
Speaker 1: that would make nervous. I mean, what player are you
Speaker 1: gonna get the one that and he's going against like
Speaker 1: mcclinchy and guys like that. You're going, Hey, that's that's
Speaker 1: the kind of guy who's gonna be playing against it,
Speaker 1: you know in the NFL, that type of a player.
Speaker 1: And I don't think he's gonna test overly well you
Speaker 1: know a guy, right, I think it'll be average for
Speaker 1: what you expect from a defensive end. The length will
Speaker 1: be a gonna miss him, aren't we the size of
Speaker 1: the average? Could he be? This year's loss in that
Speaker 1: I was fourth round and all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: know he's rushing the pass or Aston was a better
Speaker 1: player than I know. I know our board had lost
Speaker 1: in the in the first round, right, I mean, are
Speaker 1: there's more to get excited about? I think with losson
Speaker 1: just because it's the pure get off. But again, this
Speaker 1: is why he's being mentioned with this category because it's
Speaker 1: gonna take us a little bit to figure out. We
Speaker 1: throw some other names just I know, we gotta go
Speaker 1: to break real quick here hot Anthony Miller, I see,
Speaker 1: I feel good about that. Feel good about it? Orlando Brown?
Speaker 1: What worries you about Anthony Miller? Roll? I just worry
Speaker 1: about the way he runs routes the routes. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: good player though? How about Pain? We talked about him
Speaker 1: defensive tackle Alabama? How about Modifa Washington State? Defensive tackle
Speaker 1: off Hercules Hercules best name in this draft. Don't know
Speaker 1: where to play him, do we? That's that's a great
Speaker 1: one for this discussion because he played he was an
Speaker 1: interior defensive lineman. But at two hundred and fifty pounds, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's big. Get off the ball though. His get off
Speaker 1: of that initial burst ye special? What do you do?
Speaker 1: There's a place for it, But where do you do it?
Speaker 1: Do you play an edge rusher? Can hold the edge?
Speaker 1: How does he do with that position? Joshua Jackson the tackling, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's a first round corner and coverage ball skills,
Speaker 1: The instincts, the length he's not trying to tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he makes some business decisions he doesn't and Deshaan Elliott
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Speaker 1: he's not going to test very well. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's a guy that you want in coverage. So you
Speaker 1: feel good about where you got him. He's a box
Speaker 1: safety who's not a top one. A lot of people
Speaker 1: think he is because they look at the interceptions and
Speaker 1: they look they look nice. But again, he didn't have
Speaker 1: to work for those interceptions, and he's draftable, but he's
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Speaker 1: to as many questions as I can about this. Uh
Speaker 1: Don wants to know thoughts on Justin Reid's Stanford safety
Speaker 1: guys who is the younger brother of Eric Eric, Yes,
Speaker 1: former first round pick out of LSU. That's right. I
Speaker 1: don't think that Justin Reid is the doesn't have the
Speaker 1: size and he's not the same physical marvel that his
Speaker 1: brother was. Yeah, and you watched him on tape and
Speaker 1: he could have qualified for that conversation in the first
Speaker 1: segment about trying to figure out trying to figure out
Speaker 1: who this guy goes. Yeah, he's smart. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he looks like there's some plays where he looks like
Speaker 1: a corner out there with the way he could adjust
Speaker 1: to make plays in the ball. But there's just nothing
Speaker 1: there that grabs you and says this is a big
Speaker 1: time player. This is the guy that you know, like, what,
Speaker 1: where's in? What area? Is he just above average? Is
Speaker 1: he great in I don't know what kind of he is.
Speaker 1: I think that I think the turnover factor is I
Speaker 1: think we saw him for some turnovers. That was about
Speaker 1: what I saw. I didn't think a guy played very
Speaker 1: well with his eyes. There were times where he took
Speaker 1: some routes to the ball. I was a little bit
Speaker 1: questioned about that, and I didn't feel like that he
Speaker 1: looked very comfortable in coverage. I thought he was, like
Speaker 1: you could tell he didn't really think he's that fast
Speaker 1: of a players having to all other times he would
Speaker 1: flip his hips really early, you know, if you're trying
Speaker 1: to get ahead of it a little bit. And there
Speaker 1: are times where you kind of get lost in man coverage.
Speaker 1: Good tackler wants to come up and hit, you know.
Speaker 1: I like all that that stuff. But man, there's those
Speaker 1: guys are a diamond dozen, those guys who uh, you know,
Speaker 1: are maybe better playing closer to the line than in
Speaker 1: covering in man. You know, That's why it's hard. The
Speaker 1: safety is a hard um position to evaluate for me
Speaker 1: at least. But I mean, I like Justin Reid. I
Speaker 1: don't see him as a Thursday or Friday guy. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of having maybe going somewhere fourth or fifth round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, no problem. I don't think he's the top
Speaker 1: one hundred player. Blake wants to know, give me three
Speaker 1: guards other than Nelson. People are starting to get on.
Speaker 1: Kat brought up an interesting point about Connor Williams and
Speaker 1: would you play him at guard? And at nineteen would
Speaker 1: you consider a guard? But Blake wants to give me
Speaker 1: three guards. Other than Nelson Nelson, of course, the Notre
Speaker 1: Dame guard Quentin Nelson, who we all feel like it's
Speaker 1: a top five player in this draft, top ten somewhere. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Giants probably need to take him. I love Will
Speaker 1: Hernandez from UTEP, and I watched him last I watch
Speaker 1: him last night, and I've kind of had an idea
Speaker 1: in my head for some reason that I'm gonna like
Speaker 1: this guy. But three hundred and forty pounds moves like
Speaker 1: he's three hundred and twenty pounds. Yeah, good hands, good feet,
Speaker 1: nat And you have you had an idea about him
Speaker 1: coming in, didn't you? Yeah, but that was just based
Speaker 1: on me looking for guards, and I was sitting there gonna,
Speaker 1: I think at the UTEP guy, I think I would
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, he's got bear claws for hands. This
Speaker 1: guy's so much big. He's physical. Oh yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but you know what you would think at three hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty pounds, three or four he's gonna weigh You
Speaker 1: would say, oh, he's probably a slow footed guy. Yeah
Speaker 1: he's not. And you could play him in schemes. I
Speaker 1: don't worry about him as a second level blocker and
Speaker 1: snatching guys on the reach or the the the uh
Speaker 1: the cutoff blocks. I don't I don't worry about him.
Speaker 1: I thought he had a really good understanding too of
Speaker 1: how to use his body just to have got a
Speaker 1: guy less turn him here and just create the hole
Speaker 1: like it real good idea of how to make room
Speaker 1: and create spash guys to go buy him. I thought
Speaker 1: that was a very important part of watching him. I agree,
Speaker 1: and Hernandez is more of a power guy, but on
Speaker 1: kind of the opposite end of the spectrum. Isaiah Wynn,
Speaker 1: left tackle from Georgia. There you go who not necessarily
Speaker 1: a power guy, and he's about three hundred pounds uh
Speaker 1: six two played left tackle. He's gonna move inside in
Speaker 1: the NFL. I think he has a chance to make
Speaker 1: that transition really easily and be a big time guard.
Speaker 1: Moves really well, uses his hands, uh smart, patient controlled.
Speaker 1: I like what Isaiah Winn brings to the table. I
Speaker 1: think he's in that second third round discussion as a
Speaker 1: tackle to guard convert a guy that is a top three,
Speaker 1: top four guard in this class. What do you have
Speaker 1: the kids Smith from Auburn. I like, I think I
Speaker 1: like him more than you do. Yeah, you do. I
Speaker 1: like him quite a bit. I think when you watch
Speaker 1: talk about we're talking about Brendan Smith, Bradith, you watch Auburn,
Speaker 1: when there was a a big play, usually went behind
Speaker 1: that right guard. I think Braden Smith is a big
Speaker 1: time player. He's a senior, he's experienced, and he plays
Speaker 1: like it. He doesn't make a lot of mental mistakes.
Speaker 1: Also has some experience at tackle, and I think he
Speaker 1: has tackle size. He's six five three h five kick
Speaker 1: outside if you need him too, but as an interior player,
Speaker 1: not the most powerful player, but he gets the job done.
Speaker 1: He plays a little with high pads. Sometimes that'll hurt
Speaker 1: his leverage, but I think you can reset re anchor,
Speaker 1: you know, sync and find that that that center of
Speaker 1: balance that he needs to withstand the bully of a
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. I like Braden Smith quite a bit. I
Speaker 1: think he's also in that second third round discussion. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think with Braden Smith. Though, to me and I'm
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful about talking about guys at lack
Speaker 1: power because then you get the guys like Nate Solder,
Speaker 1: and then you got the guy at the Packers, the
Speaker 1: left tackle at Botar, you know those guys. That's kind
Speaker 1: of why I like O'Neill by the way from Pitt.
Speaker 1: You know, I think the guy could play tackle and
Speaker 1: play well. But the thing with I thought that with
Speaker 1: Smith though, was kind of a guy that was a catcher,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of you I was. I was hoping
Speaker 1: that and maybe because when you don't have power, you
Speaker 1: catch and then you try and steer and control. But
Speaker 1: I thought I thought that he didn't have much upper
Speaker 1: about body power, and I worried me playing him inside
Speaker 1: if he had to hook up with some guys. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe it helps somebody's dealing with those the quick the
Speaker 1: quick three or the under tackles that you know, can
Speaker 1: I mean he played in the SEC, so he faced
Speaker 1: a run and you and you watch, you watch him play.
Speaker 1: He played as they moved him as a They moved
Speaker 1: him as a like an unbalanced line player. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was always lender, the guy that when you if you
Speaker 1: watch some late film, they moved him. They moved him
Speaker 1: to Citi's like where is he? Well, look at tackle
Speaker 1: the tight end spot because they used him as an
Speaker 1: unbalanced guy. But uh, you know, I just kind of
Speaker 1: saw a guy light on your feet, like you said,
Speaker 1: mirror slide some areen. They used him at a little
Speaker 1: bit kind of struggle a little bit there, but they
Speaker 1: try to. They used him a lot of different ways.
Speaker 1: He's an athletic guy, light on his feet, like I said,
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. So those are some guys to
Speaker 1: kind of keep in mind right now. And uh and
Speaker 1: and do that. Uh. I think it's Roll Royal. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry if I pronounce your name wrong. There. How come
Speaker 1: no hype on James Washington, the wide receiver from Oklahoma State.
Speaker 1: By hype to see you mean first round type hype? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's saying this guy who's a bullet and
Speaker 1: a Cough Award winner. You know why why no hype?
Speaker 1: We're not talking about him as one of the top guys.
Speaker 1: And I really like him. I've got him at the
Speaker 1: top of my second round group of wide receivers. How
Speaker 1: many guys you have ahead of him? Three? Are you
Speaker 1: guys in front of him? Yeah? Um, I guess the
Speaker 1: things similar. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, I
Speaker 1: kind of see that type of a player. So I
Speaker 1: think you guys like it more than I do. But
Speaker 1: let you give your reasons. Well, I just think there's
Speaker 1: a you never see him play press coverage and welcome
Speaker 1: to the NFL. You're gonna have to deal with that.
Speaker 1: So I've got no idea how he's gonna handle that.
Speaker 1: And that's something we'll you know, get to see a
Speaker 1: little bit here. He'll be a Senior Bowl, right, Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: So I mean that'll be uh, that'll be something to say.
Speaker 1: I there's a lot of things I like about him.
Speaker 1: The offense too, concerns me as well. I mean we
Speaker 1: went to this whole thing with Corey Colemanum, which you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's just I just don't have faith and the
Speaker 1: guy that doesn't show that he's running ten different routes. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's doing two or three different routes. And I don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of faith in those guys right now.
Speaker 1: But I look again, I got him top of the
Speaker 1: second round. I have Gallop, Kirk and Ridley in front
Speaker 1: of him. But it's it's real close. I like him.
Speaker 1: See the thing Gallop is not getting the hype. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Gallop definitely isn't. And see, this is where I think
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, Senior Bowl will be really important for
Speaker 1: these receivers to separate Anthony Miller from James Washington, from
Speaker 1: Michael Gallop, from Jalil Scott, from Dante Pettis, Marcel Eightman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, there's all these wide receivers that have talent,
Speaker 1: but you know, senior boy will help separate them in
Speaker 1: terms of skill set talent seeing them with their own
Speaker 1: eyes up close with Washington. I agree with everything that
Speaker 1: Kat said, but especially the lack of a full route tree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really bothers me because yes, he's outstanding vertically, we
Speaker 1: saw that time and time again at Okloma State. But
Speaker 1: even simple outs, he's rounding those routes. Yeah, he's any
Speaker 1: corner that knows anything is gonna bite. I mean we
Speaker 1: saw Holton Hill, one of the better corners in the
Speaker 1: Big twelve University of Texas corner exactly. He did a
Speaker 1: nice job against James Washington. And what I like most
Speaker 1: about James Washington the vertical ability and then the ball skills, strong,
Speaker 1: strong hand. Yeah, and so you kind of put it
Speaker 1: kind of close to him. It's a little bit of
Speaker 1: golden tatish. So I like James Washington. I think he's
Speaker 1: right there in the day two mix. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's a first round player, and I have five receivers
Speaker 1: ahead of him. See, that's what I'm saying. Though, that's
Speaker 1: where the height they meet people. I agree with these guys,
Speaker 1: are I thought they're spot on. I didn't think he
Speaker 1: he was the smoothest route runner, but I thought he
Speaker 1: could separate once he got going. Yeah he's a good athlete.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's not Corey Coleman. Yeah, he's built like a
Speaker 1: running back if you really want to look, he's five
Speaker 1: eleven five, two hundred and five pounds. Looks like he's
Speaker 1: almost six foot two hundred and five pounds. His speed
Speaker 1: coming into this thing is four four five. But you
Speaker 1: don't see him play with that quickness, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're right about catching that football. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you throw it near him, he's gonna go get it.
Speaker 1: So I'm i en and Rudolph threw a bunch of
Speaker 1: balls that he had to adjust to. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. See, I like what you're saying about the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl stuff too. Andre wants to know. Okay, he's
Speaker 1: thinking that linebacker. Say, defensive tackle and wide receiver are
Speaker 1: the of your needs, you know, give him, give him
Speaker 1: your top three if you can dage like your linebacker
Speaker 1: your defensive tackle on your wide receiver and Kat can
Speaker 1: chime in on that if you'd like to. Well, linebacker,
Speaker 1: I think there's two first round that's ro Kuan Smith
Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmunds. Both could be off the board by then.
Speaker 1: And then my third linebacker is Josie Jewell, who to me,
Speaker 1: he's he's a Day two guy, second third round, and
Speaker 1: then Rashaun Evans having the third round. Um, so right now,
Speaker 1: that's in my linebackers. It's not a deep position, overly
Speaker 1: deep position, especially early. Um. And that's the opposite with say,
Speaker 1: defensive line, depending on what kind of you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was looking at a defensive tackle. Yeah, the one
Speaker 1: or the Yeah, let's I think we needed time f one?
Speaker 1: All right, you farmed? But threes and can you farm
Speaker 1: some once? Yeah? Yeah? The ones are easy, I think
Speaker 1: with kti'll get them. But the threes and more he's
Speaker 1: hearst to me is the top three right, um, the
Speaker 1: top three technique then herdis with all those guys staying
Speaker 1: in right Clemson, Yeah, Clemson, I'm sorry Clinton. Yeah, Christian
Speaker 1: Christian Wilkins and it helps more. He'shurst he has a
Speaker 1: chance to go to Mobile next week and really separate himself. Uh,
Speaker 1: the next three techniques probably Taven Brian from Florida. You
Speaker 1: just think about a third round guy though right yet,
Speaker 1: third round. He's a flash player. I'm a really good athlete.
Speaker 1: If you get him to improve some of those inconsistencies,
Speaker 1: he can be a pretty good player. But he's nothing
Speaker 1: more than a flash player right now. And then the
Speaker 1: next three technique on my board would be Rashime Green
Speaker 1: from USC. A little bit of a confused skill set
Speaker 1: because six four, two eighty five, but he can move.
Speaker 1: He's a very good athlete, so right now, those would
Speaker 1: be my early top three defensive tackles him. No, Vita
Speaker 1: Vias the one went there, and I think I've drawn
Speaker 1: Payne is my second technique, And I mean, if Vita's there,
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable taking him and moving on. I just don't
Speaker 1: know the team, the Cowboys, cos I don't know what
Speaker 1: they think. If they want Mallie Collins to be a
Speaker 1: three year old one, I don't think he'll be there.
Speaker 1: I used to be a three. I don't think you'll
Speaker 1: be there either. I don't think Vida will be there.
Speaker 1: I don't think Roquan Smith will be there. I don't
Speaker 1: think Tremaine Edmonds will be there. And the other name,
Speaker 1: the guy Mitched wide receiver. I think Calvin Ridley is
Speaker 1: gonna be there. In the mock draft I did. All
Speaker 1: of those names were off the board. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: have them taking Michigan defensive lineman again. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: research at Hurst next to Malie Collins and go go
Speaker 1: get him. Yeah, you know in Hurst plays no tackle
Speaker 1: at Michigan some so height eight, right, we'll see what
Speaker 1: is at the the senior ball. You can see if
Speaker 1: he's thinks put on some weight. I just hope he's
Speaker 1: six five, I believe. Yeah, I hope he's closer to
Speaker 1: ninety five. Yeah, it doesn't have to be three hundred
Speaker 1: and ten pounds. No, closer to ninety five good weight.
Speaker 1: He just do you watch him? He surges off the snap,
Speaker 1: he quickly finds the ball. Oh no, he's a good players,
Speaker 1: really good. He is a good player. And we talked
Speaker 1: about the wide receivers though, real the top three we've
Speaker 1: already given those, right, Yeah, Ridley Kirk, I think the
Speaker 1: top two and then DJ Moore, Anthony Miller, those are
Speaker 1: my top four receivers. I think I'm really gonna have
Speaker 1: a tough time. When I look at my receiver rankings
Speaker 1: five to fifteen, I'm gonna have a tough time stacking
Speaker 1: those guys my top four. I feel confident it's Calvin Ridley,
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk, DJ Moorean, Anthony Miller. Yeah, where's gallop on
Speaker 1: their Dane? He's in that five fiftime trying to again
Speaker 1: talking about the Senior Bowl. Gallup, James Washington, figuring those
Speaker 1: guys out the Senior Bowl will be really beneficial. Okay, kid,
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Speaker 1: I love that and I will and I hope it
Speaker 1: will understand all of this offseason. If you guys behind
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Speaker 1: to the distance. Brian, Yes, So you remember I called
Speaker 1: on in Talking Caboys show after the Week three game
Speaker 1: about the Domino effect on the online. Okay, I'm back
Speaker 1: charging again about the online of just see. We need
Speaker 1: a left guards. I don't expect Jonathan Cooper to be
Speaker 1: back next season, and I have no trust in chess
Speaker 1: Grain so far. Okay, I think we need a badass,
Speaker 1: smaller brower at a late Mark Tuney or Kickvin Coogan,
Speaker 1: Famyalen or soon to be All of Famer bid Nate
Speaker 1: Newton to play between Travis Frederick and Tyron Smith. My
Speaker 1: question is, could you give me your absolute top five
Speaker 1: guard or take hole too able to side inside in
Speaker 1: that mold and their university so I could watch them
Speaker 1: on streaming from France and where would you be comfortable
Speaker 1: to pick them? Thanks for taking Michael, have a great day,
Speaker 1: Good Tigers, good Cowboys. Thank you appreciate that. How about that, Katie?
Speaker 1: Pretty amazing the reach of the draft, reach of the
Speaker 1: draft gard all the way to France. Thank you for that.
Speaker 1: We've talked about the guards. Yeah, we talked about Nelson,
Speaker 1: We've talked about Smith from Auburn, potentially Will Hernandez from
Speaker 1: UTEP's another one I haven't seen on your list. Austin Corbett. Yeah,
Speaker 1: college left tackle is gonna move instide from Nevada, or
Speaker 1: he'll be a Senior Bowl guy. And then and then
Speaker 1: you talked about a win Isaiah Win from Georgia. A
Speaker 1: few of the guards in the Wyatt Teller from Virginia Tech,
Speaker 1: Tony Adams from NC State, and the guy alike, and
Speaker 1: a few underclassmen came out, Taylor Hearne and Maya Tahima
Speaker 1: LSU transfer Okay Southeast Louisiana this past year. I think
Speaker 1: a couple of the guard prospects to know. As for
Speaker 1: the tackles, there's gonna be a lot of discussion about
Speaker 1: how these guys stack up. You know, is Connor Williams
Speaker 1: the top guy? Orlando Brown? Where does he fit in
Speaker 1: this mix? McGlinchey, Brian O'Neill. I mentioned a cora for
Speaker 1: who has a bright future? Yeah, where a lot of
Speaker 1: things to figure out, a lot of things use. This
Speaker 1: tackle and guard class is really interesting to figure out.
Speaker 1: I could. I won't be surprised. I think in my
Speaker 1: mock I had four tackles going in the first round,
Speaker 1: even though I don't think four tackles are four the
Speaker 1: top thirty two players in this draft. But we need
Speaker 1: every team needs every quarterbacks didn't hit a lot exactly, exactly,
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Speaker 1: We're back here the SWBC Morgt Studios, Brian broad Is,
Speaker 1: Stain Burglar, Kevin kat Turner. Let's get to Kevin's game
Speaker 1: of NFL Draft Jeopardy. Yeah, I've always wanted to be
Speaker 1: a game show host. So this is also a good
Speaker 1: opportunity for the listeners of the draft show to kind
Speaker 1: of see how much they've been paying attention to see
Speaker 1: how they're doing in their draft process as well. So
Speaker 1: the five categories I have here are big nasties which
Speaker 1: is offensive and defensive lineman, cool runnings which is running
Speaker 1: backs in the twenty eighteen draft, who needs power five?
Speaker 1: Those are small school prospects. We've got getting Handsy that's
Speaker 1: a wide receivers in the twenty eighteen draft and then
Speaker 1: senior bowling guys who will be participating in the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: Now backstage, Dane, you won the toss, so you will
Speaker 1: go first, Dane, what category would you like to choose?
Speaker 1: All right, let's do cool runnings for three points. Three
Speaker 1: points for cool runnings. The classic rock enthusiasts will really
Speaker 1: identify with this Auburn wayward Son running back from Auburn.
Speaker 1: Carry on Johnson, carry on Johnson. I like that. I
Speaker 1: like that. It's one of my I like that. So
Speaker 1: he gets he gets three points, three points. He gets
Speaker 1: to keep the board right. Now, I'm gonna ahead and
Speaker 1: get it to you. Let's picture we both get Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go with uh hey, let's go with uh big
Speaker 1: nasties for two please for two points. This potential Cowboys
Speaker 1: target and space eating defensive lineman's name rhymes with the
Speaker 1: former all time college football rushing leader Cowboys target at
Speaker 1: nineteen space eater one technique name rhymes former You know
Speaker 1: his name rhymes with the former college football rushing leader.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're you're on the right track with but
Speaker 1: it's it rhymes with Ron Dane. It's gonna be pay
Speaker 1: oh No two points. I was thinking space eater. It's
Speaker 1: good guy, he's a space eater. He's okay, got that
Speaker 1: if you know he likes to really play. If the
Speaker 1: game has a lot ron Dane pay, Oh gosh, so bad.
Speaker 1: Now it's gonna be great. I got you. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: let's go over to Dane. Okay, let's change it up.
Speaker 1: Let's do senior bowling for Let's go three again, three
Speaker 1: points senior bowling. I'm gonna warn you that this clue
Speaker 1: is a little bit long. Okay, So just to get
Speaker 1: that out of the way, this Senior Bowl offensive play
Speaker 1: not only learned how to play quarterback, but also learned
Speaker 1: to many other psychological wonders of the world playing for
Speaker 1: the coach who was wrongfully dismissed by Texas Tech back
Speaker 1: in the day. Okay, it's gonna be who is Luke fall?
Speaker 1: That is Luke Falk? It is? This is this abyss
Speaker 1: about to be an ass kid? That's gonna be there.
Speaker 1: What do you think do you worry about Luke Falk? Uh?
Speaker 1: I worry about a arm strength. We know that's a problem.
Speaker 1: But do you wonder like, uh, maybe he's got a
Speaker 1: lot going on in his head. Maybe just because he
Speaker 1: played for Leach. I love him Mike Leach, but yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I agree. Coming from that system, right, senior ball is
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting for him. See how he handles that.
Speaker 1: Do you think he's I mean, but he's got he's
Speaker 1: got talent. I would you know me and quarterbacks? I'm
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm not a fan personally. Yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: Day three player that at best, he's a backup. I
Speaker 1: don't see. I don't see much with him, but though
Speaker 1: about ice cream, Yeah, some team will like him. Oh
Speaker 1: let's go get handsy for three for three points. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a West Coast wide receiver. Broadest showed the
Speaker 1: ability to get separation on tape, but it is concerning
Speaker 1: how tiny he is. West Coast get separation tiny weighs
Speaker 1: in about one seventy Who is uh Pettis. It's not
Speaker 1: Pettis steal playing for the still Burnett. It is Burnett.
Speaker 1: Oh the usc USC guy KT kind of the same.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you're these are great clues and I well
Speaker 1: they're not super That wasn't a bad guys because Pettis
Speaker 1: is underside under the same type of thing, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was not a wor KT The boss is gonna
Speaker 1: Derek's gonna have a word with you, making me look
Speaker 1: bad in this time. I'm only kid. No, it's good, No,
Speaker 1: that you're doing a great job. I think this is
Speaker 1: a great I think it's crazy awesome. Okay, what is
Speaker 1: it like? Seven to nothing already? I don't have a score?
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter, obviously, it doesn't matter because it's smart about
Speaker 1: talking about the players. Yeah, no, but he does. You're
Speaker 1: right though, that kid can't separate though. It's a player though, right,
Speaker 1: slot player and it's just a linebacker is gonna come
Speaker 1: in and just kind of pig bad wolf, huff and
Speaker 1: puff blow him down. Like that's still worry. I mean
Speaker 1: I watched him. I was like, oh my god, don't
Speaker 1: get hit. Don't get hit, like I was worried about it.
Speaker 1: And that's also part of the Sam Darnold evaluation that
Speaker 1: that was clearly his best receiver. Yeah, so that's that's
Speaker 1: part of that. Let's go to the the who Needs
Speaker 1: Power five? We haven't done that one yet. Who Needs
Speaker 1: Power is getting out of hand? Uh this? Uh man?
Speaker 1: I actually actually messed up on the on the clue
Speaker 1: on this one to do another number. Okay, let's do
Speaker 1: let's go five. Let's go for it all. Okay, go
Speaker 1: for it all? Five foot steal one, five foot ten
Speaker 1: and a half. He broke all of Isaac Bruce's records.
Speaker 1: Anthony Miller, that is, Anthony Miller got that wick. He
Speaker 1: would have had that right, right, I would have got
Speaker 1: We talked about that. Kathy's feeling bad because I mean
Speaker 1: these clues right, sorry, this is your one right here?
Speaker 1: Okay man, it was at the bar when I put
Speaker 1: this game together. Are you now the step up? I've
Speaker 1: been watching Pittsburgh. Oh, let's go. Let's go with uh,
Speaker 1: let's go with uh cool runnings for what do we
Speaker 1: got left? Two? Just well, let's do. Let's do team
Speaker 1: so far behind? Give me the one for ten? Okay, well,
Speaker 1: just the one for ten? Okay. Uh. He was neglected
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter of the National Championship game brought us.
Speaker 1: But I've given him the nickname PlayStation Yeah. Who is
Speaker 1: uh Shny Michelle? Tony Michelle. That's for ten. I'm back
Speaker 1: in the game. Is back in the game. In fact,
Speaker 1: he's taken the leading I like that, PlayStation Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like that. So the Sony and where is he gonna
Speaker 1: end up? A second round. I think came in Chubb
Speaker 1: are both top sixty guys. Is he gonna be the
Speaker 1: one guy when everybody when they look back on this
Speaker 1: thing and they see all those guys that I mean,
Speaker 1: all the these running backs that we've talked about, the
Speaker 1: Barcleys of Johnson's, the Jones from USC, Are they going
Speaker 1: to look back at say they all those guys went
Speaker 1: ahead of him, same thing what we with with Kamara.
Speaker 1: You know that kind of where they end up is
Speaker 1: a big part of it. You know, if Alvin Kamara
Speaker 1: doesn't go to the Saints, doesn't have that opportunity, who knows.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a good player, but where these guys
Speaker 1: end up is a big part of it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I've like Sony Michell all year. He's been
Speaker 1: great all year, and it's just you were worried about
Speaker 1: that maybe he got your over a vote. Get he's
Speaker 1: getting hid Wait, I mean I'm hearing first round and
Speaker 1: it's just like he's a good player, but I don't
Speaker 1: see a first round player. So I mean, Sony Michell
Speaker 1: is a very good player. I think he's him and
Speaker 1: Chubb been my top two seater back since the summer.
Speaker 1: Real quick him or Jones from usc Uh give me Jones.
Speaker 1: I agree, but I mean I haven't closed usc is.
Speaker 1: I'm in both second round. Jamal Charles, Jamal, Well, that's
Speaker 1: high praise, right, think it is? Then Sonny Michelle and
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb two like being on the same team. It
Speaker 1: is weird. But to me, like people talk about, well
Speaker 1: who should go high? Well, I think it just matters
Speaker 1: what the team needs like that, that's all gonna matter
Speaker 1: about fit for them, just because they're a little bit different.
Speaker 1: And that's part of the evaluation too. If for Sony
Speaker 1: Michelle is he didn't have to be the bell cow,
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb was the bell cow? Is there gonna Is
Speaker 1: there gonna be any back in this draft better than
Speaker 1: Barkley when it's said and done, it could happen. Is
Speaker 1: there one guy who teams didn't think there'd be a
Speaker 1: back better? And Trent Richardson in the twenty twelve draft
Speaker 1: that third overall? Right? Yeah, that was another game. Maybe
Speaker 1: be careful with running backs, you know, Okay, let's stick
Speaker 1: with cool runnings. Let's see what we we five like
Speaker 1: running back? How many? How many you down? How many
Speaker 1: is you down? Now? That hit the time? Yeah? The
Speaker 1: zero zero. Uh. You want to go for the big
Speaker 1: money though, right, go for the big money. This twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen draftable runner who I admittedly have not seen yet.
Speaker 1: He shares the same last name a former Packers wide
Speaker 1: receiver and former Bucks Bad quarterback pack twelve guys. I
Speaker 1: didn't give you a very specific clues here because I
Speaker 1: haven't seen the player again. Shares the same last name
Speaker 1: with former nineties Packer wide receiver, former Bad Bucking Years
Speaker 1: quarterback running back. That is Royce Freeman. That is correct,
Speaker 1: Antonio Freeman and Josh Freeman. Nice. I like it. I
Speaker 1: like that. Good. That's a good clue. Bad. What about
Speaker 1: him though? Have you seen him? I haven't looked at
Speaker 1: him at all. He's a four year guy Oregan, right, Yeah, surprise,
Speaker 1: he came back for a senior year, came back, had
Speaker 1: a solid season. I don't see a lot of juice.
Speaker 1: He's not a big explosive guy, but he's got good vision. Uh,
Speaker 1: he knows how to you know, pick through the defense.
Speaker 1: A senior Bowl guy, So have a chance. Okay, good, good.
Speaker 1: He's just kind of what he is. He's more of
Speaker 1: a third round or fourth rounder. Another one of those
Speaker 1: consolation prizes if you don't get your you know, the
Speaker 1: top six or seven running backs. Yeah, it's like every
Speaker 1: year though, That's that's a good sweet spot for a
Speaker 1: lot of running backs, you know, into the third round. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you had to run there a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: Was that that group? It went like in the seventies?
Speaker 1: Was it like seventy two three? I mean they had Johnson? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah guys, yeah, Chash Green year where Coleman was also
Speaker 1: in that was it Tevin Coleman? Yeah, I even fell
Speaker 1: even further with the name. No, I think it. Tevin
Speaker 1: Coleman was a second round guy, second or third. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was second round. I'm some days I remember this
Speaker 1: and some days that obvious. The whole new batch of
Speaker 1: players every year, it's really hard to keep. That's what.
Speaker 1: You know what that's a problem with a lot of
Speaker 1: scouts that you all of a sudden, you you you, you,
Speaker 1: you're so focused on a draft and then you lose,
Speaker 1: and when it's over, you forget these guys. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: trying to compare them to guys you've had before. The
Speaker 1: mind only has so much space, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: a computer, You only have so much storage. And when
Speaker 1: you have to scout over a thousand guys, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just you kind of you have to lose something,
Speaker 1: so you know it's better that than your kid's names. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no kidding. Yeah, I thought you get accused by your
Speaker 1: wife of forgetting you. You can't remember what you're supposed
Speaker 1: to do, but you can remember who you have to
Speaker 1: buccaneers soon. Yeah, you have to work a little bit
Speaker 1: harder just to make sure that you're not lacking in that.
Speaker 1: It's all about balance, Brian, you know that. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: that's why I'm single. Right now, over to you, Brian. Yeah, Ford,
Speaker 1: let's go with a little let's uh, let's go senior
Speaker 1: bowling again. All right, I need to learn about the
Speaker 1: senior Bowl. I'm not gonna get into this right, but
Speaker 1: go ahead, all right. This senior bowler to me is
Speaker 1: known as that other Oklahoma statewide receiver. Who is that
Speaker 1: is Marcel? Yeah? Yeah, and he is the other one.
Speaker 1: But if you tell me in three years he has
Speaker 1: the better career than Washington, wouldn't shock man? Gonna make
Speaker 1: that guy mad who asked about Jaff Washington being under hyped.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it will happen that was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was who was that that asked about old? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was. Hey, Marcel's a cool name too. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: ask you this specialized guy because he's big and he's
Speaker 1: gonna win those contested catches. Yeah, but does he run? No? Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, is a specialized guy. You know,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be your ex he's not gonna be
Speaker 1: your number one receiver, but you use him, uh to
Speaker 1: move the sticks, You move him in the red zone.
Speaker 1: Big possession guys gonna win those contested catches. Is that
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys have? Now? I hate to say, I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just talking about a team. If if there's
Speaker 1: a team that doesn't need an eight man, or doesn't
Speaker 1: need a sudden or doesn't need Scott Jeli Scott Jolile
Speaker 1: Scott from Date. Yeah, and he's a little different too
Speaker 1: because he's like six six two twenty like, so he's big,
Speaker 1: but he's more tall than large physical. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I agree, especially a team like this that you think
Speaker 1: really subscribes to the X y Z you know, does
Speaker 1: is their X? They have their X. What they look
Speaker 1: for in a Z. That's why I love Calvin Ridley
Speaker 1: so much for the Cowboys. That's the perfect Z for
Speaker 1: what this team wants. But that's not the Sutton. He's
Speaker 1: not a Z. No, he'd be an X in this
Speaker 1: and you just don't need another big, physical guy that
Speaker 1: has trouble running rounds man. There's a lot of questions
Speaker 1: with the wide receiver group. Like even even Kurk, who
Speaker 1: I have first round grade on, I said, am I
Speaker 1: ready to go? Give him the ball? A lot? I
Speaker 1: mean I'm ready to go get him ninety catches? Well,
Speaker 1: and the big catch, The big thing with him is
Speaker 1: can you play outside? Yeah? Slot? We talk about every
Speaker 1: show build though. He's not a small guy, but he
Speaker 1: was a slot only player in college and so you know,
Speaker 1: it's a projection to say that he can kick outside,
Speaker 1: and I think he can, but it's his value as
Speaker 1: a slot player even more. I think he's a high
Speaker 1: floor receiver. You know, he doesn't have a high ceiling,
Speaker 1: but his floor is pretty high. See. The thing the
Speaker 1: thing I really like about him though, when they do
Speaker 1: get him the ball, he's he's going places. Yeah. See
Speaker 1: I don't. Who do they have here now that get
Speaker 1: ghost place? No, they don't, and that's why they don't
Speaker 1: have good yards after catch stats. Yeah, and that's you know,
Speaker 1: that was a big problem with the offense. And when
Speaker 1: you factor in with Kirk the special teams, that's a
Speaker 1: big part of it. He averaged a punt return touchdown
Speaker 1: every six punts. That's awesome. One of my favorite stats
Speaker 1: in this draft. His career punt return average is better
Speaker 1: than his career return average on kick returns. He averaged
Speaker 1: twenty one yards per kick return. Christian Kirk on punts
Speaker 1: average twenty one point four yards per punt return. That's ridiculous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who has a better punt return average than kick return average?
Speaker 1: This guy does. That tells you about what kind of
Speaker 1: impact you can make. My guy, my guy h Hughes,
Speaker 1: Mike Hughes, Myke Hughes for for Central Florida is like
Speaker 1: a big punt kick return or big awesome. He had
Speaker 1: four touchdowns this past year, two one kicks, one on punt,
Speaker 1: one interception. He loves that player. Take him at nineteen?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, would you take him at nineteen? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You had a corner, okay if you okay, say Ward
Speaker 1: and Fitzpatrick or Gaune. He's my number three corner. I
Speaker 1: would take Hughes Overward is he a number two corner?
Speaker 1: Then number two corner nice right behind Minka and then
Speaker 1: Ward is three. Okay, I've got Minka, Ward Hughes, and
Speaker 1: I love Lord, I love Ward two. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: know there's something about Hughes watching last night getting in
Speaker 1: your fight. I just pushed the sideline classic press man.
Speaker 1: Why are people not talking about him? You see? If
Speaker 1: the thirteen the national champion Drake one Smith the other
Speaker 1: receiver Smith, Yeah, shout out to Jay Russ's magic fan
Speaker 1: who said to watch him on Twitter and we did
Speaker 1: it and appreciate that. Yeah, another senior Bowl guy as
Speaker 1: a Richard junior graduate. Yeah, you see, you see you
Speaker 1: have got some players. Yeah than they pay. They do
Speaker 1: have some players self proclaimed. But it's okay, all right, Katie,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for for doing that. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and Dany congratulations for the victory. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he gets a prize pack. Yeah. Draft day Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know you get dated. I'll buy you. I'll buy
Speaker 1: you dinner at down there at the barbecue place, perfect,
Speaker 1: and we'll eat some ribs to gun down there at Dreamland.
Speaker 1: Get some Dreamland barbecue, all right for my Scouts, Dan Burglar,
Speaker 1: Kevin Kat Turner for executive producer, Can't Care Sign Brian Brouss.
Speaker 1: Thanks a kind. We'll see you next Thursday at eleven
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