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Speaker 1: the top ten Batman Villains? How is this squaer culture? Bro?
Speaker 1: How is being a Batman villain? Queer color?
Speaker 2: Being a batman villain requires that you have a chip
Speaker 2: on your shoulder? No, you had the Gotham has wronged
Speaker 2: you in a way. Yeah, the city is and yet
Speaker 2: the city is the only place where you are understood
Speaker 2: that you can't you can't live anywhere else but Gotham, Yes,
Speaker 2: but and yet you kind of hate it. And that's
Speaker 2: I think that is the queer experience, is that you
Speaker 2: can't live anywhere else but the city. But the city sucks.
Speaker 1: The city fucking sucks. But like, that's where your community.
Speaker 2: Is and that's the only place you'll find it. And
Speaker 2: also I'm onto something.
Speaker 1: Not for nothing. But we are of the night. We
Speaker 1: are creatures of the night who have stylish flare flair.
Speaker 2: Maybe a couple of us have fallen into a vative ascid.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the drama in your life. You have trauma,
Speaker 1: you have and as a result of your trauma, you
Speaker 1: are who you are.
Speaker 2: You have trauma, and as a result, you have green hair.
Speaker 1: Mm hm. As a result, you kind of think you're
Speaker 1: a cat. Bitch, bitch, bitch. I'm looking at you, and
Speaker 1: one thing I'm noticing is you gotta think you're a cat.
Speaker 1: You must think you're a cat. The way you're queer,
Speaker 1: the way that you're acting right now, it's giving thinking
Speaker 1: your cat. Honey, you're speaking only in riddles because you're
Speaker 1: you're what queer? Uh, when you kiss someone, they die?
Speaker 1: Queering Queering the kissing, kissing. I mean this is enough
Speaker 1: for nothing but the fact that they have an agenda,
Speaker 1: having an agenda, giving an agenda, so queer. You need
Speaker 1: three things to be a Batman Villain say it, an agenda.
Speaker 2: A costume, and a stupid fucking name, and all three
Speaker 2: of those things are what queer. That's it. Let's get
Speaker 2: into it. I am jacked up ready.
Speaker 1: To talk and say. This is when you suggest that
Speaker 1: the categories for this. When I saw Batman Villains, I
Speaker 1: was like, I know my sister's gay number ten on
Speaker 1: top ten and Batman Villains last culture is Baine. This
Speaker 1: bitch is a sub and yet domb icon the switch.
Speaker 1: He is full switch, full subs for poison Ivy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which we'll get to and we'll get to her. But
Speaker 1: also to be a dominator. There is a tension here.
Speaker 1: In the words of Kylie Minogue's latest album, that is,
Speaker 1: and he can barely.
Speaker 2: Speak, can barely speak, has to he has to have
Speaker 2: a little thing on his mouth like a baby. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like a damn baby.
Speaker 1: He can barely breathe or speak.
Speaker 2: He's he's really the sub dom sort of like you know,
Speaker 2: simultaneous nature of that. It's giving baby adult like Baine
Speaker 2: is both a child and one hundred years old.
Speaker 1: And even in the Nolan versions when his poison IVY
Speaker 1: is Talia al Ghoul, we still see that he is sub.
Speaker 2: He's subbed from Marion, which is queer, but.
Speaker 1: He's being subed for Marion Cotillard is queer, and that's
Speaker 1: a rural culture Number twelve being subbed for Marion Quotillar
Speaker 1: is queer. And that's why is number ten on top
Speaker 1: ten Batman Villains last culture number nine, number nine, two face.
Speaker 1: I believe in Harvey Dent being number nine. First of all,
Speaker 1: when you think Harvey Dent, you also think Harvey Milk,
Speaker 1: because there's very few people named Harvey. There's Harvey Milk,
Speaker 1: Harvey Dent, Harvey from Sabrina. I was gonna say Harvey Kitel,
Speaker 1: and Harvey Gien, and another Harvey who he terrorized the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry. We don't speak his name, Harvey Weinstein.
Speaker 2: And another Harvey. I'm another person at the middle name
Speaker 2: Harvey who murdered an important person.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Lee, Harvey Oswalt, I said.
Speaker 2: It, you said, and the chill that ran down my fine.
Speaker 1: I'll bring us back up. Harvey fire steam oh, oh,
Speaker 1: my treasure, a treasure in American treasure and capable of
Speaker 1: so much absolutely, writing, singing, acting, drag Yeah, yeah, oh
Speaker 1: my god. And those are all the Harvey's now Harvey
Speaker 1: dent Is. I don't know, Gemini, Gemini, it's giving Gemini
Speaker 1: Libra moon. Yeah. And I would say also, maybe like
Speaker 1: some Pisces rising in there because he's.
Speaker 2: Upset, and guess what Pisces has? Two fish mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Do you identify as with with Harvey in anyway? Tommy
Speaker 2: Lee Jones or Aaron Ekhart. I would say, you have
Speaker 2: an Aaron at heart energy about are you serious? You
Speaker 2: can both be You can be you can be like
Speaker 2: the the cleaned up man, and then you can also
Speaker 2: be like the biker, the filth you you. I'm saying,
Speaker 2: you have the range, honey, thank.
Speaker 1: You, dear. I don't know if I identify with two face,
Speaker 1: because I think I have to be who I am
Speaker 1: and I look at my one face in the mirror
Speaker 1: every day, and I say, you can't hide from people,
Speaker 1: And really, what's going on with two faces? He just
Speaker 1: can't decide who to be. He is having an identity crisis.
Speaker 1: Two face is having an identity crisis, and that's real.
Speaker 1: Culture number thirty Face is having an identity crisis. Okay,
Speaker 1: And if you can identify with two face, I want
Speaker 1: you to ask yourself, how are the people in your
Speaker 1: life feeling?
Speaker 2: I just this is, this is all I have to
Speaker 2: say to two face. Pick awing, decide, decide. It's literally
Speaker 2: pick one. And this isn't Panarit's it's not a you pick.
Speaker 1: Two, because if we all could pick two, then we'd
Speaker 1: all be running amok crazy. Oh my god, I'd have
Speaker 1: a damn I'd have a damn horse body for my
Speaker 1: lower It's not that I don't feel bad if for
Speaker 1: what happened with the acid. I'm just saying, honey, this
Speaker 1: is your reality and we we have stood by long
Speaker 1: enough without you doing something about it. Get help.
Speaker 2: Get help. Also, you were overshadowed by the Joker in
Speaker 2: the dark night. Can't feel good, can't feel great? Okay.
Speaker 1: That's why number nine on top ten Batman Villains last
Speaker 1: Culture number eight Penguin disgusting and grotesque as a creature.
Speaker 1: I'll say that I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't enjoy him. I'm surprised at the top ten.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised. I was gonna say, have surprised that he
Speaker 2: is beating Bain and two face because I don't like
Speaker 2: when he bleeds from the mouth, that's really upsetting.
Speaker 1: When he gushes blood from his nose and mouth, that's
Speaker 1: really as a child, Yeah, that was when Tim Burton,
Speaker 1: I felt went too far with that film him.
Speaker 2: You can't go from Pee Wee's Playhouse to this.
Speaker 1: It was actually too far. I'm remember being a little
Speaker 1: and being like, oh, he's gushing blood and it's black.
Speaker 1: It's straight up black blood. Because I guess he's a penguin.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm so unclear about what he is. So deal, So
Speaker 1: what is the deal there? She just gave birth to
Speaker 1: a penguin? Do you remember how this happened? This?
Speaker 2: Matt Rogers once did a character at Characters Welcome at
Speaker 2: EUCB called, yeah, the villain, what was it called the
Speaker 2: villain that you don't know?
Speaker 1: It was silled It is actually okay, So there is
Speaker 1: a community of people who most know me for this, like.
Speaker 2: Because it's I'm sure it's a DC. It's a little comic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Matt Rogers Batmanville, I've totally forgotten the most unpredictable
Speaker 1: Batman villain yet and you have it.
Speaker 2: You have a perfect joke that sets it up up
Speaker 2: top where it's like you don't know what, Like I
Speaker 2: bet you're wondering what my deal is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wondering. I beg you're wondering what my deal is?
Speaker 1: And then my whole characters game is like my deal
Speaker 1: is everything and nothing at the same time, because that's
Speaker 1: how you don't get fucking caught exactly.
Speaker 2: And is this is penguin giving this a little like
Speaker 2: we don't really know the.
Speaker 1: Penguin is actually giving something very limited, which is like
Speaker 1: half penguin, half man, which is so clearly the thing,
Speaker 1: but he's also like a gangster. And like, I guess
Speaker 1: what I'm asking is physiologically like in the backstory of
Speaker 1: the penguin, are we ever told or do we ever
Speaker 1: understand why she gave birth to something that was half
Speaker 1: a penguin? Did she fuck a penguin? This actually is
Speaker 1: I think really important because if there's penguin fucking happening
Speaker 1: in Batman and I don't know about it, that's something
Speaker 1: that's what we talked about more.
Speaker 2: It's not made clear penguin origin story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, please me, did they get into this. In the
Speaker 1: Colin Farrell one.
Speaker 2: I mean he was teased as a child for his
Speaker 2: short stature, obesity, and birdlike nose. These traits made him
Speaker 2: an outcast in his rich debutante family.
Speaker 1: Okay, so he wasn't actually penguin. He wasn't actually part penguin.
Speaker 2: I don't think he was part penguin, but he looked
Speaker 2: like one, and I guess he was teased a lot
Speaker 2: as a child, even though he was rich, and because
Speaker 2: he was rich, probably he was teased even more.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say. Meanwhile, in the film and the
Speaker 1: Tim Burton film, Yes, my Girl was penguin, Danny was
Speaker 1: penguin and I needed that explained. He was.
Speaker 2: I bet he was going home to Reap Perlan every night,
Speaker 2: going the Donny Gust like a penguin.
Speaker 1: This is a terrible Does Laurna know that you have.
Speaker 2: A bad deviato? Well, anyway, it's it's not up to
Speaker 2: us who orders these lists. But Penguin is number eight,
Speaker 2: beating two face in Bain, and I guess he earns
Speaker 2: the spot and that's why.
Speaker 1: He is number eight on top ten Batman Villains.
Speaker 2: Last Culture number seven.
Speaker 1: This is a forgotten great Jim Carrey performance, I mean
Speaker 1: committed the whole way through, famously did not get along
Speaker 1: with our number nine Tommy Lee Jones. Just two faces.
Speaker 1: They have different processes. Oh my god. Can you imagine
Speaker 1: that one of the worst thing in the world for
Speaker 1: fate to befallow you is to have a different process
Speaker 1: than your close collaborator. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I mean these are two actors who I think are
Speaker 2: very particular in their own rights. Jim, I think is
Speaker 2: at that point he was like on top of the world.
Speaker 2: Oh and Tommy was this is preman in black, right,
Speaker 2: this is pre meant. I'm sure this was like before
Speaker 2: the big like career may be kicked in.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Did he? Will Smith get along?
Speaker 1: They had to, you know. Will Smith is such a
Speaker 1: loved man by Hollywood. I'm not sure that everyone just
Speaker 1: would say the best things. You're not successful. For that,
Speaker 1: you're not that successful. He really earned that. The moment
Speaker 1: of slapping Chris Rock in the face.
Speaker 2: Well that's why people were conflicted.
Speaker 1: They were so sad.
Speaker 2: It wasn't an outright, you know, banishment.
Speaker 1: I just went back there and I remember how crazy
Speaker 1: you that felt.
Speaker 2: I was literally, I I had come home from an
Speaker 2: Oscar party and was in my house doing folding clothes
Speaker 2: and on my bed, like you know, the dead of night,
Speaker 2: and it happened to I. That was That was the
Speaker 2: moment where I was like, I wish I had stayed
Speaker 2: the part because I can't be prossing this by myself.
Speaker 1: It was not fun to watch. We're talking about the
Speaker 1: slow anyway, The Riddler.
Speaker 2: The Riddler, I mean eat Enigma. He was cutting up magazine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: doing those little notes in that movie. Paul Dano, I
Speaker 2: guess did a nice version of him. Yes, I actually
Speaker 2: liked Paul.
Speaker 1: I didn't see it.
Speaker 2: Paul was a highlight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I would imagine. He's so good, one of
Speaker 1: the most talented I just of his generation.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Paul dano I love the.
Speaker 1: Lost Culture Cultural Award nominee with his wife.
Speaker 2: With his wife, they did not win.
Speaker 1: That's the incredible Zoe.
Speaker 2: Now the Riddler. Anything else to say about him.
Speaker 1: I have nothing more to say on the Riddler other
Speaker 1: than stop joking with me. Stop joking playing with me.
Speaker 2: Wait, wasn't an iconic though in the nineties movies when
Speaker 2: Joker put the question mark on all the bat signals,
Speaker 2: that was funty. It was really it was. That was
Speaker 2: Kunti and you had fucking Drew, Drew Barrymore. And who
Speaker 2: was the other little devil?
Speaker 1: Oh that was the amazing.
Speaker 2: Oh it was Vivica Fox. It was Vivica Fox and
Speaker 2: Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 1: No, yes, rob Honey, I'll tell you who it was.
Speaker 1: It was, Oh my god, Debbie Mazar, Debbie Mazar, it
Speaker 1: was Debbie Mazar. Vivic Fox was in The Batman and Robby.
Speaker 1: She played like Arnold Schwartzenegger's like.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yes, I was like, God, these these women
Speaker 2: deserve so much better. But like it was, But it
Speaker 2: was Drew, Debbie Mazar and Vivica and different movies of course,
Speaker 2: playing like arm candidate, playing like that girl.
Speaker 1: And Drew said afterwards she was like, I had such
Speaker 1: a crush on Jim Carrey and she won't answer the question,
Speaker 1: but I think they fucked because guess what. Actors fuck? Okay,
Speaker 1: it's a real culture number thirty.
Speaker 2: Actors fuck, And there there's no hotter place than that's
Speaker 2: than a fucking what's it called a trailer? That a trailer?
Speaker 2: I'm too scared to something about trailer sucks to me.
Speaker 2: I've never done it. I'm like we know someone that
Speaker 2: has way, we do know someone that has and that's.
Speaker 1: Why is number seven on top ten Batman Villains Lost
Speaker 1: Culture number six. Bruce Wayne's trauma. Well, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think this really speaks to the fact that, like, really
Speaker 1: our greatest enemy is ourselves.
Speaker 2: That trauma is villainous. Look, it's not his fault. We're
Speaker 2: not blaming Bruce Wayne for like how things turned out
Speaker 2: or his relationship in opposition to his trauma. But your
Speaker 2: trauma is in opposition to you. It is not going
Speaker 2: to enrich you or help you. It is not on
Speaker 2: your side. It is against you. You have to fight it.
Speaker 1: Wait, I'm literally sitting here and I'm realizing that what
Speaker 1: Batman is about is about how our lives are informed
Speaker 1: and dictated by trauma. Because all these villains, like, as
Speaker 1: a result of what Bruce Wayne's deepest trauma is, he
Speaker 1: turned into something else to do to fulfill a purpose.
Speaker 2: It would not have been Batman if his parents did
Speaker 2: not right, if we're not murdered, And he would not
Speaker 2: have been Batman if he was not wealthy. And that,
Speaker 2: in a way, you could argue that that wealth is trauma. Wow,
Speaker 2: I'm kidding.
Speaker 1: In a way you can argue that wealth is trauma.
Speaker 2: I feel like you are so right on and you were.
Speaker 2: I love that you're being dreamingly Curtis about this and
Speaker 2: saying that it's about trauma.
Speaker 1: It's about trauma. And you know what, the only Batman
Speaker 1: villain that's in every movie Bruce Wayne's Trauma, Bruce Wayne's Trauma.
Speaker 2: Well you're well, there's another one that's on the list
Speaker 2: that we'll get to. Yes, there is, just do wait,
Speaker 2: stay tuned.
Speaker 1: But all this is why Bruce Wayne's Trauma is number
Speaker 1: six on top ten Batman Villains.
Speaker 2: Lost Culture, number five Catwoman, and we mean Anne Hathaway.
Speaker 1: Of course we'll get to some else.
Speaker 2: The line that I always quote every time she's brought
Speaker 2: up on this podcast is, of course, as heals hurt,
Speaker 2: I don't know, kick do you do?
Speaker 1: And I remember when she goes oops oops, oh my god,
Speaker 1: the shot of her as the maid, when her face turns,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Boen just came and half the way man.
Speaker 1: Halthaway is one of our great talents period, and she
Speaker 1: is forever. She is forever. I mean like it it
Speaker 1: is what it is like, you know what. I'm so
Speaker 1: fucking excited for is this movie with her and MICHAELA.
Speaker 1: Coel Like, it's like, I'm not star y. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: lesbian movie. You not fucking feed that to me with
Speaker 1: the biggest spoon in the house was vox Locks queer
Speaker 1: at all? No?
Speaker 2: I mean, and this is not even vox Locks. It's
Speaker 2: just like another pop star, Like I think in.
Speaker 1: Terms of accent choice, Yes, I think that what they do.
Speaker 2: Because that's what Natalie was giving.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think that that was one of her queerest
Speaker 1: performances for sure. Yes, last and not until May December
Speaker 1: comes out later this year, We're gonna see something else.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you think that movie will get queer? You know what?
Speaker 1: I'm so upcited about that they're going to push challengers
Speaker 1: with Zen Day.
Speaker 2: I know that would have saved movies, but I but
Speaker 2: you know that they want to save Zendaya for press
Speaker 2: like they want they want her out there.
Speaker 1: He want some day out there for that and June two.
Speaker 2: Which they also passed, they push It's a year she's
Speaker 2: one of her biggest stars. When people say we said
Speaker 2: this before, when people say now, oh, they're no movie
Speaker 2: starts anymore, lies, Zendaya is right there anyway, and that
Speaker 2: Hathaway is steps away from you, okay.
Speaker 1: And that is why she catwoman and is number five
Speaker 1: on top ten Batman Villains.
Speaker 2: Lost Culture number four Joker. Wow, would you say this
Speaker 2: is low placement?
Speaker 1: I would say that this is the lowest placement Joker
Speaker 1: has ever gotten on a list like this.
Speaker 2: Yes, And we're not afraid to go there.
Speaker 1: Because he's at least number two, because people are at
Speaker 1: least going to be like, oh my god. And you
Speaker 1: know what we'll do. We'll say that Joker is number two,
Speaker 1: so that everyone's like, oh my god, what's number one?
Speaker 1: So they keep reading and we'll be controversial. It's very
Speaker 1: rolling Stone, very rolling Stone, let's leave out, but not
Speaker 1: as rolling Stone as making Joker number four.
Speaker 2: Rolling Stone could never rolling Stone.
Speaker 1: Could never flop like this.
Speaker 2: We're not you think we're flopping. No, I think we're soaring.
Speaker 2: I think we're flapping our wings.
Speaker 1: That's what I meant to say, flap. Rolling Stone could
Speaker 1: never flap like that. They can never flap like I
Speaker 1: mean Joker, Like, come on, he's a Lost Culture Award winner,
Speaker 1: right to say that.
Speaker 2: But also like as a villain, as a Batman villain, Look,
Speaker 2: there's already a crime there's already like a crime mob boss,
Speaker 2: concilier kind of guy. That's Penguin. So it's like you're
Speaker 2: already kind of like your market share is not totally
Speaker 2: there yet because you're you're you're, you're bumping with Penguin
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. Yeah, And like are you laughing?
Speaker 2: Are you not laughing like I think he is? But
Speaker 2: like the way Heath did it, it's like I didn't
Speaker 2: hear a lot of laughing from Heath, and I kind
Speaker 2: of laughed. I wanted more laughing, No, I want that's
Speaker 2: very Matt Rogers laugh.
Speaker 1: You could play that actually kind of was the laugh?
Speaker 1: I what laugh did I do in this video? I
Speaker 1: did like a batman villain's laugh.
Speaker 2: Are you if you were offered joker for films?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think I would crush.
Speaker 2: I think you would. That's what I get very Mark Hamill,
Speaker 2: Very Mark Hamil's joker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can you believe? But I think also part of
Speaker 1: this bit was my laugh was different every time. I
Speaker 1: remember that was a game move that the laugh was different,
Speaker 1: because I why would I get you the same laugh?
Speaker 1: I don't want you to know who I am. I'm
Speaker 1: here to terrorize Gotham genius.
Speaker 2: Are you not gagged that Mark Hamill can do that?
Speaker 1: I'm gagged by pretty much everything about Mark Hamilla.
Speaker 2: Dagged. I mean Joker, well, I mean, well, like it's
Speaker 2: it's so first thought, you know, that's all I got.
Speaker 1: It's just too much. And here's what I'll say, all
Speaker 1: this being said, Joker has the best version of a
Speaker 1: sugar and spice Artifaca Fox in Harley Quinn and Harley
Speaker 1: Quinn has to the test of time, and I think
Speaker 1: Harley Quinn is taking over the Joker. In fact, I
Speaker 1: think that's going to really be very apparent in Joker.
Speaker 2: I'm not We're not going for what's his face? No,
Speaker 2: for fuckingin.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, I used to think Joaquin
Speaker 1: was one of the ones for me, but I mean
Speaker 1: now I'm at the point where, like, I'm certainly not
Speaker 1: going for Joaquin. I think I'll be seeing Joker for
Speaker 1: the one and only Lady Gaga herself.
Speaker 2: I respect Joaquin a great deal. Yeah, that is a
Speaker 2: man who sticks to his values and is obviously very talented.
Speaker 2: Say that, but I'm buying a ticket for Gaga.
Speaker 1: I'll be in the audience for Lady Gaga and that
Speaker 1: is why the Joker is number four on top ten
Speaker 1: Batman Villains Lost Culture. Number three's privilege.
Speaker 2: The other villain on this list that shows up in
Speaker 2: Everybatman movie. Mm hmm, the privilege. I remember when I
Speaker 2: said wealth is trauma? Yeah, I remember that, and how
Speaker 2: trauma is a villain. That is the transit of property.
Speaker 1: Trauma is a villain. Trauma is God, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: should should we release a response to Karma called trauma trauma?
Speaker 2: If equals B and B equal see, then equal see.
Speaker 2: If trauma is a villain and wealth is trauma, then
Speaker 2: wealth is a villain.
Speaker 1: You are as Kiki Palmer would say, you just ate that.
Speaker 2: I'm on the floor.
Speaker 1: I'm on the floor.
Speaker 2: As Kike, you would say.
Speaker 1: You just ate that because you're so right. And also
Speaker 1: it's a blinding He often thinks that he One of
Speaker 1: the things about Bruce Layne is he really doesn't see
Speaker 1: the people he works with. He is often with Robin discarding,
Speaker 1: he is not understanding, He is not really mentoring. No,
Speaker 1: you know what he thinks. Batman thinks just because he
Speaker 1: put Robin up, like what do you have to complain
Speaker 1: about your my sidekick and it's like no, no me,
Speaker 1: no me, know me, Robin.
Speaker 2: Is saying in every single scene, no me. And Batman
Speaker 2: is I mean, like, you know he doesn't treat the help. Well,
Speaker 2: that's why only Alfred trusts him. Yeah, but she doesn't
Speaker 2: know what other opportunities are out there, right. But also
Speaker 2: it's like that's a huge red flag for me, because
Speaker 2: if Batman shed his privilege a bit, he would have
Speaker 2: a staff, he would not have one man.
Speaker 1: Well, they have a sexual relationship, of course, and I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not spreading rumors. I'm just calling it
Speaker 1: like it very much much? Is I mean they have
Speaker 1: a sexu relationship. These women are beards them, so he
Speaker 1: doesn't stick with any of them. He has one relationship
Speaker 1: that's slung in his life, and it's with Alfred. They're
Speaker 1: having a sexual relationship.
Speaker 2: Regardless. I think Batman's privilege informs his absolute immovable sense
Speaker 2: of justice. Yeah, and for that, and that's how you
Speaker 2: get jk rowling wealth and distorted sense of moral values
Speaker 2: that you think that you believe to be true. You
Speaker 2: finally said it, Batman is jk Rowling. You finally said it, Okay, And.
Speaker 1: That is why Bruce Wayne's Privilege is number three on
Speaker 1: top ten Batman Villains Last Culture, number two, Catwoman Michelle.
Speaker 1: Innumerable are the ways in which this is an iconic
Speaker 1: performance role and moment and culture.
Speaker 2: A timeless moment because and it really showcases the power
Speaker 2: of film, because this will reach people at any age.
Speaker 2: You could beat us and be a little child and
Speaker 2: watch this movie and go, there's something about this woman.
Speaker 2: Or you could be like a grown man watching it
Speaker 2: in hindsight, or you could be a fucking ninety year
Speaker 2: old woman watching it in the nineties and thinking there's
Speaker 2: something about her, like there's Michelle transcends time.
Speaker 1: It transcends time. And here's what I'll say, we would
Speaker 1: not have even wanted to see another version of Catwoman
Speaker 1: had it not been.
Speaker 2: For Michelle's I'm pointing an agreement. I'm pointing my indexperience.
Speaker 1: And the big problem with cultural history is the fact
Speaker 1: that there was never a spin off with her. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe not, because her place in the culture and in
Speaker 1: the lore of those movies actually is like kind of
Speaker 1: cunt that like she never came back again, but we
Speaker 1: know she still exists. But I'm always a maximalist, and
Speaker 1: when it comes to more like I'm the person saying
Speaker 1: big little wise season three, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I just want more and I know I'm saying that's
Speaker 1: and just like that has proven me wrong here, but
Speaker 1: like I wanted another Michelle as Catwoman.
Speaker 2: I will never and this this is the supposed speaks
Speaker 2: to Michelle and every other person who's played her. I
Speaker 2: will never say no to Selena Kyle. No, and can
Speaker 2: can we just give it that name?
Speaker 1: Selena Kyle. She was thrown from a building by her
Speaker 1: boss because she knows secrets.
Speaker 2: And then the kitten she was curious like a cat,
Speaker 2: curious like a cat, but she landed and then these
Speaker 2: kittens start nibbling at her fingers. And then she wakes
Speaker 2: up and is contrast.
Speaker 1: She wakes up in a scene that should have gotten
Speaker 1: an Oscar nomination and walks around her apartment and she
Speaker 1: is realizing her behavior was catlike. The cat jumped out.
Speaker 1: The behavior that she was exhibiting was cat like. The
Speaker 1: cat jumped out.
Speaker 2: The cat jumped out and never really jump back in,
Speaker 2: never jump back in, and jumped into our imagination.
Speaker 1: And jumped into history history.
Speaker 2: That is why Catwoman Michelle is number.
Speaker 1: Two on top ten. Batman villains lost Coult number one,
Speaker 1: number one, poison Ivy. Bet you didn't see that coming,
Speaker 1: did you? I think they did.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sure some of these girls, these readers,
Speaker 2: Katie Publicistminals thought, oh, Harley Quinn number one. No, no,
Speaker 2: it's poison Ivy specifically Uma, but alliterations are valid.
Speaker 1: Everything that she had to that film and was really
Speaker 1: the only one in the movie who truly understood the assignment.
Speaker 1: She was really the only one who said, no, I
Speaker 1: get what movie we're doing. I love it, and I'm
Speaker 1: committing to it. Everyone else. You know what, men, men,
Speaker 1: we should say. I'll say this all respect to Chrystal Donald,
Speaker 1: all respect.
Speaker 2: I love Chris o'dnald deeply. He was a sexual awakening.
Speaker 2: I have debased myself for many men who look like him,
Speaker 2: and oh wow, yeah you know, yeah, you know who
Speaker 2: I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Oh, one hundred percent. It was very vivid.
Speaker 2: He looked like him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, And it was a long way.
Speaker 2: It fucked me up. Okay, let's keep going.
Speaker 1: The man by dreams look like crystal'donald fuked me up. Hey,
Speaker 1: fuck me up. That's what kind of interesting interval?
Speaker 2: Absolute me up?
Speaker 1: Hey, fuck me up. Hey, Yes, listen, what I want
Speaker 1: to say about poison ivy is she once screamed curses
Speaker 1: and it worked. He were curses.
Speaker 2: And then what's your famous line that you love? As
Speaker 2: I told Lady Freeze.
Speaker 1: When I pulled her flag, this is a woman show.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I blamed all the men from understanding the assignment. Alicia
Speaker 2: didn't get it either.
Speaker 1: No, she didn't get it. That's Alicia looked confused. George
Speaker 1: looked like he couldn't give a fucking throw it all away.
Speaker 1: Arnold's was was giving something. It wasn't quite right, but
Speaker 1: it was something, and it's unforgettable.
Speaker 2: Uma was bullseyed.
Speaker 1: Uma was dead on, Uma was researched. Uma was giving choices.
Speaker 1: Uma was tonally right on the money. Also, you get
Speaker 1: the sense that like she was well, she was obviously
Speaker 1: having fun. But there's a scene where like she realizes
Speaker 1: something and she goes and I'm just gonna do it
Speaker 1: for you. She goes, she goes another another another, I
Speaker 1: kind of clan forget the geriatric bad come join me,
Speaker 1: my god, it needs tending, I think.
Speaker 2: Is it fair to say? And this is this is
Speaker 2: why she beat up Michelle Pfeiffer. I think Uma has
Speaker 2: had a huge impact on you.
Speaker 1: I think as poison Ivy, there's a lot.
Speaker 2: Of behavioral similarities. That is so I But all this
Speaker 2: time I thought, and I'm still thinking, that's so Mount Rogers.
Speaker 1: Poison Ivy. For sure, she is a hero to me.
Speaker 1: When she kissed men, they died, I wish, I wish
Speaker 1: these just the for each of them.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. But at that moment went and I
Speaker 2: remember thinking, damn it. When Chris o'donald takes off his
Speaker 2: little lip cover.
Speaker 1: Rubber lips, make me immune to your charms or whatever
Speaker 1: she goes.
Speaker 2: But as a as a kid, I go no. I
Speaker 2: wanted him to die. I was on her side.
Speaker 1: I want him. Dad, you that says something about you too,
Speaker 1: that you wanted someone who was like Crystal o'donald to
Speaker 1: die with your.
Speaker 2: Kiss and then he did not perish.
Speaker 1: She lives still, But wow. I mean also the color story.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, green and pain go together, and red the.
Speaker 1: Red hair snatched curves. If what's good for her, give
Speaker 1: poison Ivy poison.
Speaker 2: I that the Ivy this Halloween period.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to see a show live with her
Speaker 1: in a poison Ivy giche.
Speaker 2: I'm sure she's been told millions of times.
Speaker 1: But you look like poison Ivy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should dress up as Poison Ivy. What every everything,
Speaker 2: every person with red hairs?
Speaker 1: Feminenomenon? Really what? Poison Ivy was a femininomenon.
Speaker 2: You was a femininomenon.
Speaker 1: That's a real culture number thirty nine. Poison I was
Speaker 1: a femininomenon.
Speaker 2: She was hot to go, she was her kink was karma,
Speaker 2: she was dancing up at the Pink Pony Club. She
Speaker 2: was She is Poison Ivy. Chapel roone and Chapelon is
Speaker 2: poison Ivy period.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to have that really land with her.
Speaker 1: Oh this is why Poison Ivy is number one on
Speaker 1: the top ten Batman Villains, Last Cult, another one in
Speaker 1: the books.
Speaker 2: Really one. I love these episodes.
Speaker 1: These are the great episodes of our time, and we
Speaker 1: want to thank everyone for listening to this one. And
Speaker 1: we end every episode with the song.
Speaker 2: No no no no no no no no no no
Speaker 2: no no no rob it rob it?
Speaker 1: Do they do rob it? You were being you just
Speaker 1: wanted to go to feel scene, which is all he wants.
Speaker 1: Bye bye,