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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined us always by our Bara.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bar.

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Speaker 2: This is this is no joke, no cap right now.

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Speaker 1: Oh don't know.

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Speaker 2: I had you're thirty a dream.

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Speaker 1: You're okay, but say right, you're thirty.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what was worse the fact that I

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Speaker 2: made that sound like I was MLK or that I

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Speaker 2: said no cat. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I chose to let that go in the moment, but

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said it. I don't know which you

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Speaker 1: phrased that horribly. By the way, speaking of dreams, your

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Speaker 1: nightmare is the Patriots make a trade while you're in

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Speaker 1: the car. It's going back to something you said on

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Speaker 2: We can talk about that, we can talk about traffic.

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Speaker 2: We we spent about thirty minutes at the end of

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Speaker 2: PU talking about anything but football. And that is reflective,

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Speaker 2: Alex about this time of a year right now in

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Speaker 2: the NFL. But the Patriots leave them to it still

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Speaker 2: somehow in headlines, even in the middle on June twenty second,

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Speaker 2: we still have some things to talk about out Evan.

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Speaker 1: We got we got news today. We got news right

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Speaker 1: before the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get it to it. Evan, Lazar, Alex Barth

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Speaker 2: Patriots cash Point two here with you for the next

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Speaker 2: hour and what's called hour and thirty. We don't have

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Speaker 2: a two hour show in US today. I don't think

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Speaker 2: I mean we say that, but it's us, that's true.

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Speaker 2: You can join in on the fun at radio at

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Speaker 2: Patriots dot com or eight five five PATS five hundred

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Speaker 2: is the telephone number. But a few little things, a

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Speaker 2: few little housekeeping items, and then we can we can

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Speaker 2: talk about traffic and the submarine and Marcus Smart and

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Speaker 2: other things too as well. But first things first, you

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Speaker 2: just mentioned that there was a little bit of news

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Speaker 2: just now from the Patriots side of things. Training Camp

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Speaker 2: official official July twenty sixth Open to training camp veterans

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Speaker 2: report on July twenty fifth, then July twenty sixth, the

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Speaker 2: first day, the twenty sixth through the twenty eighth, or

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Speaker 2: the first three days a camp that are announced now

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Speaker 2: on Patriots dot com. You can come open to the public.

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Speaker 2: We'll obviously be there, we'll have shows, we'll break it

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Speaker 2: all down. It'll be a lot of fun. So the

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Speaker 2: way that the rules work now just to kind of

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Speaker 2: training camp. You can't be in full pads right away.

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Speaker 2: So the first three days, and I think this is

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Speaker 2: why they announced it in this structure, the first three

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Speaker 2: days will be non padded sessions, basically an extension of

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Speaker 2: mini camp.

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Speaker 1: The third day, we'll say, is still a teaching period.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the third day you can put on shells,

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Speaker 1: Not you know, it's still gonna be a non contact right.

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Speaker 2: We're not talking about like like game day shells. Were

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Speaker 2: keep in mind that really the true competitive portion of

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Speaker 2: in particular, the joint practices are going to be really

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Speaker 2: gonna talk about a little bit about Jack Jones. I'm sure,

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Speaker 2: Alex you you've written and said your takes about the

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Speaker 2: And I don't necessarily know if they're their win lost

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Speaker 2: But I do think that there is a trickle down

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Speaker 2: And I think the two guys that it affects the

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Speaker 2: a football perspective is they're just not We talked all

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Speaker 2: Mini camp and sprang about all. You know, they're so

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Speaker 2: And I still think there's something. I still think they'll

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Speaker 2: I think in the back end. But overall, I'm not

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Speaker 1: Line, Yeah, I think it might have more of an impact.

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Speaker 1: I agree with everything you said. I just think it's

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Speaker 1: gonna have more of an impact than you're laying out there.

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Speaker 1: The other guy it impacts is Kyle Duggart, Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: I think Jalen Mills is a guy they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: play some safety. Jonathan Jones looked like a guy they're

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Speaker 1: gonna have play some safety when Jonathan Jones said safeter

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Speaker 1: if you want to call it the star position or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Doug was in the box. Now he's playing in

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Speaker 1: basically bumps everybody back or wrung. And I still think

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Speaker 1: on the surface, the defense is very good. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: if there was one weakness going into this, it was

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Speaker 1: lack of depth in terms of true boundary corners, they

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Speaker 1: really only add two established guys, and I mean Christian

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Speaker 1: Zalez is an established but seventeenth overall pick right, So

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Speaker 1: you had Christigan Zales, Jack Jones. Who was next? Who

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Speaker 2: After that, it was probably moving Jalen Mills.

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Speaker 1: It was either Jalen Mills or Jonathan Jones. And then

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Speaker 1: Qandre Mosley maybe, So that falls off real quick, and

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Speaker 1: now you're taking a wrong out of that ladder. So

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Speaker 1: you're saying, you know, I don't think this impacts to

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Speaker 1: win lost total or whatever like on the surface, it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: If Madden style you turn off injuries, they're still fine.

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Speaker 1: But now if Jonathan Jones gets hurt or Jalen Mills

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Speaker 1: they're in big trouble because now they don't have that

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Speaker 1: those guys on the boundary. Now you're really starting to pull.

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Speaker 1: Are you putting Marcus Jones back out there? Are you

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see them add another corner. I have

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Speaker 1: a list of names up on nine D eight Fathersports

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Speaker 1: I know this name is not like super sexy. I

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Speaker 1: but I could see it. Remember Terrence Mitchell, old friend

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Speaker 2: I remember Terrence Mitchell, but he didn't even make the

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Speaker 1: Year, right, right, But I go look at who's available,

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Speaker 1: would be my point? Yeah, yeah, So I mean that's

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Speaker 1: you add Terrence Mitchell, he maybe helps BOOI your depth

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Speaker 1: a little bit, which they certainly could use. But this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I Terrence Mitchell is an odd name I had

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Speaker 2: thought of, But that's a good poll. I think everybody

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Speaker 2: looks at Marcus Peters, but they've had multiple opportunities at

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Speaker 2: this point to get Marcus Peters if they were interested,

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Speaker 2: and they've never really shown any sort of interest in

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Speaker 1: So most of the big name guys. There's Marcus Peters,

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Speaker 1: who's supposedly is finalizing a deal with the Ravens. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean they've been finalizing it for like a week

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Speaker 1: that money coming from? Suddenly the DeAndre Hopkins money.

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Speaker 2: Start to get out. You don't want to really pay anymore,

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Speaker 2: right because you think that you're okay at the top

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Speaker 2: of the depth chart, so you're really just looking for depth.

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Speaker 2: Terrence Mitchell is a good.

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Speaker 1: So there's some other guys who are maybe like have

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Speaker 1: a little bit more of a resume than Terence Mitchell does.

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Speaker 1: I don't love that. I'd rather kind of go because

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Speaker 1: help carry your depth to the next step into me.

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Speaker 1: That's a guy like Terence Mitchell.

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Speaker 1: You're in a little bit of trouble.

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Speaker 2: You're in a little bit of trouble. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: Which he shouldn't be. It doesn't make any sense for

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Speaker 1: you know, there's things you don't like to do for

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Speaker 2: So there are very few players I gotta be honest

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins can afford to miss a week of what's

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Speaker 2: I think for two reasons, I think both sides move

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Speaker 2: on at that point.

435
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Speaker 1: Honestly, I mean, what is moving on for the Patriots? Well,

436
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Speaker 1: when I say signed Travis Lantry, no, no, no, no, I

437
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna move on to another edition. I

438
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Speaker 1: think they move on with the group that they have.

439
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Speaker 1: I think at that point, I still think that that

440
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 1: bill operates under sort of like either you're on the

441
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Speaker 1: bus or you're not. Yeah, I know, but it's just

442
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Speaker 1: you'd hope that's the recognition that they need this guy.

443
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Speaker 2: I agree, But I think it's a little like an

444
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 2: acquisition is different in terms of a trade, right, Like

445
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: if a guy's on another team and you trade for

446
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Speaker 2: him at the end of camp, like that's it. That's

447
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 2: just the timing of the of the move or the

448
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Speaker 2: deadline or something like that. But I think that they're

449
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Speaker 2: gonna look at it and say, we'd love to have you.

450
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Speaker 2: But if you're not here by by let's call it

451
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Speaker 2: July twenty sixth. We have Parker, we have Juju, we

452
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Speaker 2: have Thornton, we have Kenrick Bourne. We like our group.

453
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Speaker 2: We don't love it, but we like our group, and

454
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Speaker 2: we're just we're.

455
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Speaker 1: I just think that would be short sighted. I don't

456
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Speaker 1: necessarily disagree with you that they would do it, but

457
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Speaker 1: I think they would be short I think that would

458
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Speaker 1: be short sighted because.

459
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Speaker 2: From Hopkins's camp, it makes them more sense that if

460
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Speaker 2: he waits that long, he's not coming here, He's gonna

461
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Speaker 2: go to Kansas City, or he's gonna go to you know,

462
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Speaker 2: some contender, right that that gets not necessarily I think

463
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Speaker 2: he if he's if you're like wading through like the

464
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: Titans and the Patriots for example, like I I still

465
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Speaker 2: and even like you know, Curmudgeons, like Paul, like he

466
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Speaker 2: says that he's to him, it's a toss up. I

467
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: still can't really understand the argument for the Titans. I can't.

468
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Speaker 2: I can't see it. They're not going to be a good.

469
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Speaker 1: Football team, no salary, no income text.

470
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Speaker 2: Okay, but like I'm talking about the football.

471
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's not considering the football side of things.

472
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Speaker 2: I think he's got to consider it at least a

473
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Speaker 2: little bit.

474
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Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit. But I think maybe maybe that's

475
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Speaker 1: what it is. Maybe Tennessee, with the lack of income tax,

476
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Speaker 1: is offering him slightly more money, I guess. But the

477
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Speaker 1: Patriots are the better football situation because they are.

478
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Speaker 2: They are the better team they're in. The Patriots are

479
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Speaker 2: not the better team, better, better every kid. I'm not

480
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Speaker 2: saying the Patriots are quarterback. Yeah, They're just the better

481
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Speaker 2: situation from a football standpoint all round. They're gonna be

482
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Speaker 2: a more competitive, more likely playoff bound football team.

483
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Speaker 4: Right.

484
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Speaker 1: If he just wants the money and the Titans are

485
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Speaker 1: offering more money, this is where it's I suppose it's

486
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Speaker 1: do you want to go through a dog, you know,

487
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Speaker 1: a dog days of a season in Tennessee and get

488
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Speaker 1: paid more or do you take a little less? And

489
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Speaker 1: I just here playing a couple of big games. I

490
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Speaker 1: think probably what it's down to for him, I don't know.

491
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Speaker 1: I just I can't imagine, like that's that is a

492
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Speaker 1: type of guy. And we saw this in last year

493
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Speaker 1: at Arizona he will let go of the rope. So

494
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Speaker 1: in Tennessee, he's literally taking a check and running, are right,

495
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Speaker 1: But does he care? Maybe that's all he wants to do.

496
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Speaker 2: I guess I don't know. I would I wink higher

497
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Speaker 2: of him than that, I guess.

498
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Speaker 1: I but like I do too. But I also wouldn't

499
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Speaker 1: blame him. This his last chance to get paid.

500
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Speaker 2: Right, But he's not going to get paid paid. We're

501
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 2: talking about he from all of the indications that we have,

502
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Speaker 2: If that Odell Beckham contract was out there for him,

503
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Speaker 2: the one for fifteen with incentives to push it to eighteen,

504
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Speaker 2: I think is what Odell got. I think he'd already

505
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Speaker 2: be signed. I don't think he's getting that offer. And

506
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Speaker 2: that I think is what's holding this up is that

507
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Speaker 2: he his market is soft, and I think that he

508
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Speaker 2: sees the only leverage that he's going to get is

509
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Speaker 2: if somebody gets hurt.

510
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Speaker 1: No, I see, I still think he's just waiting on leverage,

511
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Speaker 1: whatever the situation. What, let me put it this way,

512
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Speaker 1: why should he sign now? If he knows that let's

513
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Speaker 1: say the one year fifteen million is out there, he

514
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 1: knows it's still going to be out there in two

515
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Speaker 1: weeks in three weeks.

516
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Speaker 2: Oh, no, that he's he should not. He shouldn't be

517
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Speaker 2: in any rush. And I really don't think that the

518
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Speaker 2: Patriots need to be in any rush either, because they

519
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: everybody's off on summer break. Ike's jumping off its in

520
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 2: Italy like no one's here.

521
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Speaker 1: No, But the rush for the Patriots is as long

522
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Speaker 1: as he remains unsigned, there's still time for other teams

523
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Speaker 1: to get involved, or the Titans up there off or frankly, yeah,

524
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: the Patriots should be able to outbid the Titans because

525
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: of the salary cap. But I said this on the

526
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Speaker 1: show last weekend, and I wrote on ninety eight Other

527
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Speaker 1: Sports of nine things to do well DeAndre Hopkins, Well

528
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Speaker 1: you're waiting for DeAndre Hopkins to sign?

529
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Speaker 2: Did you have watched submarine footage on there?

530
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Speaker 1: I did not have that because it hadn't happened yet.

531
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Speaker 1: It would have been on there.

532
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Speaker 2: You should really add that back.

533
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Speaker 1: I should Maybe I should, well, I said on Twitter.

534
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Speaker 2: Like that over now apparently so.

535
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Speaker 1: Well, they have press conference in like half an hour.

536
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Speaker 1: The search, No, they found something fine, they found they

537
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Speaker 1: found like a shipwreck that could be anything. So that's

538
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: the thing they said they found debris around the Titanic.

539
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, it's the rector of the Titanic.

540
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: Of course there's debris. So I'm very curious, but like

541
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Speaker 1: it's a story. I feel like you wouldn't say that

542
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Speaker 1: if it was like that whole area has been mapped

543
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: so much in the last like whatever it is, forty years. Anyway,

544
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: the boys like.

545
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Speaker 2: They find the submarine or DeAndre Hopkins signs with the Patriot.

546
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Speaker 1: I did not have. I did not have track the submarine.

547
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: What I did have was track private flights out of Houston,

548
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: because all it takes is one phone call and suddenly

549
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: he's off again. I said this on the show last week.

550
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Speaker 1: Even I do not understand how the Jacksonville Jaguars are

551
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: not blowing up his phone, right Yeah, And there's a

552
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: handful of other teams that it would make sense for

553
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: as well that have some cap Another one I thought

554
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: it was Seattle. I don't know that he'd go to Seattle,

555
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: but like Seattle, right, well, they did.

556
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Speaker 2: I mean, they just drafted JSN, they have Lockett, they

557
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 2: have DK like they're they're pretty loaded.

558
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Speaker 1: They've been trying to trade Lockett though. That's kind of

559
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Speaker 1: been the rumor. Yeah, so you you signed Hopkins from sign.

560
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Speaker 2: Thirty one year old Hig Hopkins to trade a thirty

561
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: one year old Lockett.

562
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Speaker 1: Well, if they're going to make the same money and

563
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: you can trade Lockett and get a draft pick, I

564
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: guess your bet, like, Hopkins is better, so you have

565
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: a better maybe anyway, the point being the point being

566
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: I do too, but Hopkins is probably better maybe a

567
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean on dk jsn Hockkins.

568
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: I think that Lockett might be better for what to pair

569
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: with DK though, like I.

570
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: Anyway, all it takes is one team, one team to

571
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: call him and say, hey, we want into the DeAndre

572
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: Hopkins business. You know what's what's the price? What's them

573
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: you got from the Patriots. We'll match it, we'll top it.

574
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: And that the only way the Patriots can stop that

575
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: is sign them. Yeah, because once you sign them, that's

576
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: tampera does a joke. But once you sign them, that's

577
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: the only way to stop.

578
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 2: I guess I hear that, and I agree with you,

579
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: So then I guess my My next question to this is, like,

580
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: if you're the Patriots, I understand that you don't want

581
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 2: to bid against yourselves, and there's a degree of you

582
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: don't want to overpay for the player, and I and

583
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 2: I can agree to that or to an extent. And

584
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: we don't know what the terms are that the Patriots

585
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: discussed with DeAndre. Maybe the Patriots are giving him fair, fair,

586
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 2: or even beyond fair terms in terms of the contract,

587
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: and he's just dragging his feet anyways. But if I'm

588
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: the Patriots, I just got to show some urgency here.

589
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 2: I got it, Like I there has to be a number.

590
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about giving him twenty five million dollars,

591
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: but there has to be a number that gets DeAndre

592
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: Hopkins to just sign and not wait, I've been saying,

593
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: at what find Yeah, find that number. All right, we're

594
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: gonna take some of these calls and we're gonna talk

595
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,959
Speaker 2: some AFC's previews. We decided in this dead pier will

596
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: go around the AFCs. I like this exercise. It's good to,

597
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: you know, study up on the other teams because we

598
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: are gonna talk a ton about all these teams once

599
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: we get into the season and into the matchups for

600
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: the Patriots. So today we're gonna gonna start with those

601
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: pesky Dolphins down in Miami, so we'll get to that

602
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: here in a second. Dolphins are not friendly animals, Alex,

603
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know that. Yeah, they're nasty.

604
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: Are you wait? Well, I mean they're not great. Are

605
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: you sure you're not thinking of whales?

606
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: No, dolphins are bad.

607
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: Well, there's that story about the killer whales attacking the boats.

608
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but dolphins are bad.

609
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: Dolphins can be kind of nasty. Well, they're really smart.

610
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: I don't want to know how. I don't want to

611
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: get into some of the weird stuff that dolphins do. Anyways,

612
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: let's let's talk to Willhelm and film. Oh no, we

613
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: lost him. Oh, he was probably calling into PU. I

614
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: think he called in earlier. That's all right, Uh, what's up, Patty?

615
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: How you doing, gentlemen? Good?

616
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 4: So, over the past couple of weeks, I think you

617
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 4: guys know where I stood on DeAndre Hopkins. But then

618
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 4: the more the time's gone by, I've thought about it,

619
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 4: and for if nothing else, I think like the fact

620
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 4: that he's probably still really good. He could probably still

621
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 4: really like have the the defense, you know, have their

622
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 4: coverage focused on him, and we'll probably open up stuff

623
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 4: a lot better for guys like Paikwon at East Help obviously,

624
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 4: Juju with eat help and mikey Seki and everybody else.

625
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 4: So the more I'm thinking about it, the more I

626
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 4: would like to see him on this team, just because,

627
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 4: like DeVante, Parker doesn't do that for you, you know what

628
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 4: I mean. And I love Parker like I loved him

629
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 4: when he was in Miami and I wanted him here,

630
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 4: but he's just not the same players DeAndre.

631
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think we're with you, Patty. Thanks for

632
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: the call. That's the biggest thing for this Patriots team,

633
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: and we talk a lot about even just like Bill

634
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: O'Brien's offense during Mini camp and OTAs, you could see

635
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: that the attention was back to trying to win in

636
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: the middle of the field, trying to win with efficient

637
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: passing and not necessarily the you know, I used to

638
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: call it the Bruce Arians offense that they were trying

639
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: to run last year, which was peaks and valleys. You know,

640
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: you do have some downfield completions, but you also have

641
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: a lot of turnovers and a lot of three and

642
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: outs and things like that in camp I earn in

643
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: the spring. I think we agree with this on this

644
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: Alex that it seemed like they were trying to get

645
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: back to that middle of the field death by a

646
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: thousand paper cuts efficient Patriots offense, which should suit the

647
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: quarterback and should suit the personnel. But in order to

648
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,239
Speaker 2: get the middle of the field open and to have

649
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: it be less crowded, I don't know any better way

650
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: than to have somebody on the outside like DeAndre Hopkins

651
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: that can draw some of that attention in some of

652
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: that coverage. And I've always that's always been my biggest thing.

653
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: I think the actual individual production of DeAndre Hopkins. I'm

654
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: not sure as caught up in oh is he gonna

655
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: go for a thousand yards? Is gonna have ten touchdowns? Like,

656
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what his his statistical ceiling is with

657
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: the Patriots, but I do know that the sort of

658
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: like we were talking about it with the secondary and

659
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: with Jack Jones, the domino effect that he's gonna have

660
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 2: on the rest of the offense to open things up

661
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: for everybody else. It just kind of puts everybody together,

662
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: It puts all the pieces in the right spots, and

663
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: it makes things easier for everybody else. He tweeted that

664
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: out right that he's that is h his next team

665
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: will like it will be easier to say.

666
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, he said my promise to my

667
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: future receiver room, I'm gonna make all your jobs easier. Exactly.

668
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: That's the whole point. You're guaranteeing all those guys one

669
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: on ones, and the Patriots have a bunch of number

670
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: twos that can win one on ones, yeah, regularly enough

671
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: to be effective. But you gotta get Hopkins in the

672
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: building to make that happen.

673
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. What are your thoughts on on DeVante Parker because

674
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: I still think that there's I still think Devanta Parker

675
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: is an NFL receiver. When I say an NFL receiver,

676
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: I mean like a guy that can play top three snaps.

677
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: Right.

678
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: Most teams have three guys that they play a lot,

679
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: and I still think Devanta Parker is a top three

680
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: guy and probably would get traded. Maybe it's Kendrick Bourne,

681
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: but one of those guys probably gets moved so that

682
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: they can go be a top three guy someplace else

683
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: if Hopkins comes here. But there are moments and even

684
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: last year when with all the mess that was going on,

685
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: where you do look at it and say, you know,

686
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: DeVante Parker probably their best one on one outside receiver, right,

687
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: and you know, just versus a press corner me versus

688
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: you like, who's the one guy that can kind of

689
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: get up the field, get open and make it play

690
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: on the football. He was probably the best at that

691
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: last year and probably still the best that they have

692
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: on the team this year. And we've talked so much

693
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: about Kendrick Bourne and the fallout from that. We also

694
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: had a Michael Lombardi which I thought was interesting talking

695
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: about how Hopkins might be better suited now to play

696
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 2: more inside and outside is because his speed is diminishing.

697
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I necessarily agree with that, but

698
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: they're I don't know if it's as cut and dry

699
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: to maybe reading a little bit too much into Lombardi,

700
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: but you know, sometimes he does talk to Bill and

701
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 2: maybe he does, you know, have some insight into how

702
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: the Patriots might view him and use Hopkins more. I

703
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: still am not one hundred percent certain which direction they

704
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: would go in terms of their receiver depth, Like if

705
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: it would be Parker, if it would be Born.

706
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: I still think it's Parker. They're they're gonna play Hawkins outside,

707
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: Like I get that, you move them inside, but so

708
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: then it's Juju on the boundary with Taekwon at the X.

709
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: Or like, yeah, it's probably Taekwon at the X. I

710
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 2: think Juju or Hopkins is like technically your your Z yeah,

711
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: I think, and then one of them is that the

712
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: pure slot.

713
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: The whole the whole point of this is you're trying

714
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: to take pressure off Taekwon needing to have that breakout season,

715
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: and I think you're gonna play Hawkins in the slot

716
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: full time. You don't really do that, at least not

717
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: as much.

718
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 5: So.

719
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: I still think Parker's the odd man out. Hopkins is

720
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: still your ex I think they'd probably use a bunch

721
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: of condensed formations honestly, which they should do anyway. Yeah,

722
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: but yeah, I you know, to your first question, what

723
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: do I think of Parker? I still like Parker. I

724
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: think he is a good receiver. But this whole thing

725
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: we're talking about, I just saw myself on YouTube. I'm like, bright,

726
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: I didn't and somebody, I did not wear Grizzlies colors

727
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: for Marcus Smart. That was an accident and we will

728
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: get to that later. I the whole thing with Parker,

729
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: in this whole thing we're talking about of well, can

730
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: they get a receiver who's gonna take pressure off the

731
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: other guys last year, teams kind of started tight on

732
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: Jacoby and Jacoby was the guy who's getting all the

733
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: attention to. Parker had some big games. He did he

734
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: had that massive mm yeah, a massive game against the RUMs.

735
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: He's ex on that game. So then what it teams do?

736
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: They started shading to Parker instead of Jacoby Myers and

737
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: it didn't like it changed things schematically, but the offense

738
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: didn't become any more impactful. So you know, with hot

739
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: Hopkins isn't the guy that you can do that with

740
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: just because somebody else is playing, Well, you're not gonna

741
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: start taking coverage off of DeAndre Hopkins because if you do,

742
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna beach a bat if you leave him one

743
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: on one. You cannot leave that guy one on one.

744
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: That's ultimately the difference. That's what they really need. And

745
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: I the evidence is there last year that Parker is

746
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: maybe close to being that guy, but he's not that guy.

747
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: I just I'm preparing myself mentally for the fact that

748
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: they based off of last year, and I guess this

749
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: is just last year and maybe it's all thrown out.

750
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: With Bill O'Brien in the building and it's his show

751
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: now and he makes different decisions, but based off of

752
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: the calendar year that we've had with they seem to

753
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: really like Devonte Parker just in terms of what he

754
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: brings to the table football wise. Yeah, And Kendrick Bord

755
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: just isn't their type of guy in terms of what

756
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: he doesn't, you know, off the field and in the

757
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 2: media and things like that, right, And I just I'm

758
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: really mentally preparing but also hoping that they don't allow

759
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: that to impact the decision. Whereas Parker, Parker's really gone

760
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: about his business here for the most part. He's a

761
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: quieter guy to begin with, but he's just kind of

762
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: played his role, gone about his business. I've been mostly available,

763
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 2: Like I don't think he's available for every game last year,

764
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: but mostly available and doesn't really do any of the

765
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: diva stuff that Born sometimes.

766
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: Let's not get into that. You use that word and

767
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: you're getting all these people hot, and.

768
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 2: But I'm not saying that I'm preparing for that being

769
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: the case.

770
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: I can't watch Kendrick Born and Marcus Smart both leave

771
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: within months of each other. That's gonna be too much

772
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: for me. Second of all, the other important thing to

773
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: consider here is and and they're gonna consider this. This

774
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: might be the ultimate trump card. They save about two

775
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: million more dollars against the cap if they move on

776
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: from from Parker, then, I think, which I think is

777
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: ultimately what it comes down to.

778
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 2: I don't think that he has I'm not saying you

779
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: get like a first round pick for DeVante Parker, but

780
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: I think that both those guys might have a little

781
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: bit of trade value.

782
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: I think Parker you can get back when you gave

783
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: up for him.

784
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, or maybe you know. I always like those trades

785
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 2: where another guy has followed out of the rotation someplace

786
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: else and they're they're probably gonna.

787
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: Cut them, right, maybe they trade them for a corner.

788
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: But right so you trade them for a corner, you

789
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: trade them for a tackle. I don't know if a

790
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: tackle is going to be playable, honestly, just with the

791
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 2: tackle depth around the league, but if a tackle comes available,

792
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: if a corner comes available, Like I always like those

793
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 2: types of moves, I think they benefit both both sides.

794
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: I really do. Like I always go back with this

795
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: to uh Jacob Philip doris set right like that move

796
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 2: at the time helped the Patriots. You know, Philip Dorsett

797
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: was a helpful piece for you in twenty eighteen. That

798
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: was eighteen, writer? Or is that seventeen?

799
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: No, I was eighteen.

800
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 2: I think it was eighteen.

801
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: Well, no, it was seventeen because Brissette was only here

802
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: for a year, so Brady was suspended in sixteen.

803
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: All I know is that Philip Dorsett in eighteen made

804
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: some big catches. And okay, I think it was here

805
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: for two years. Well he was here for a year plus, right,

806
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: like he was. I think he was only here for

807
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 2: well he's seventeen.

808
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: It was seventeen. So they traded Jacoby Brissette and Jimmy

809
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: Garoppolo the same season.

810
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: Yes, they did.

811
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: Forgot about that.

812
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I still I like those moves. Well I

813
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: think they tried that and maybe it still works out

814
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 2: with like Chase Winovich and Mac Wilson. Different time of year,

815
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 2: but but similar type of thing. All right, Uh, William's back.

816
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: What's up? William?

817
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 5: I'm sorry? Hey?

818
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 2: How you doing? Evan good?

819
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 5: What's up at hey?

820
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: Hey?

821
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 5: Just two questions and I will hold you up anything.

822
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 5: One well, not so much a question, the second. The

823
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 5: second one is a question, But the first one, what

824
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 5: is going on?

825
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: Right?

826
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 5: So what Bill's just waiting for? What You're waiting for

827
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 5: some deal. You wait for Hopkins the cave in and

828
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 5: just say, you know, just you know, take whatever you

829
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 5: were on the table. I don't even know. No, do

830
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 5: I know what he's offering Hopkins? You know what I

831
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 5: mean that may you know? I don't know.

832
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what he's offering William. But based

833
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 2: off of the reports and some of the indications that

834
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: we have is that, uh, the deal that Hopkins is

835
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: hoping to get, at least right now is something similar

836
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: to what the Ravens gave Odell Beckham, which is that

837
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: one for fifteen plus incentives to get up to like

838
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen million, And so far, based off the reporting,

839
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 2: that deal has not been out there for Hopkins, even

840
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: from the Patriots or the Titans.

841
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 5: Alex, my question to you is I get it, Okay,

842
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 5: I guess you say you don't know why Jacksonville is

843
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 5: not jumping at this. I understand it, but I would

844
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 5: I mean, because I'm a Patriots fan, doc fan. I

845
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 5: just want to see Hopkins or Dalvin Cook whoever. I mean,

846
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 5: they have the pictures have holes in we going in

847
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 5: with this. I don't it's not looking good for us.

848
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 5: It's just really not this off season. That's some being

849
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 5: hard before. It just don't look good out of it.

850
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 5: So I'll leave it at death Fells Stake here.

851
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, Willy, appreciate it. I I want to get

852
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: to Dalvin cooking a second. I don't think we're on

853
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: the record here on the podcast on our feelings.

854
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: On Dalvin cook talks about him on any show.

855
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: So we'll get to that in a second. I'm with

856
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: William too, this is just not how they operate. The

857
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: Patriots are just not going to come in and offer Hopkins,

858
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: you know, back up to bring Struck so to speak,

859
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: and give him what he wants to get him off

860
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: the market. There. They're gonna play the They're gonna they're

861
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 2: gonna play the game. They're gonna roll the dice. That

862
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: do you disagree? Like I feel like that's just what

863
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: they've always done. The only time that I can think of,

864
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 2: off the top of my head where they really went

865
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 2: out and just gave a guy top of market money

866
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 2: and said nothing, you know, no fooling around was Stefan Gilmore.

867
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 2: Like Stefan Gilmore was day one, a free agency opening morning,

868
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: a free agency Like here's the bag. Let's do it right.

869
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: I guess in twenty one they did that too for

870
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: a couple of guys too. But it's a totally different

871
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 2: situation I think, based off of what we're going off

872
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: of now, But I don't know if they're necessarily gonna

873
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: do it. Uh, Dalvin Cook? Where do you stand on

874
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook? Because I he's a name, he's a popular name.

875
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: He's a free agency a fantasy football running back. Uh,

876
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: he's a free agent. There are some interests, there's some

877
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 2: rumors that some other AFC East teams are gonna be

878
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: kicking the tires. The Jets and the Dolphins have been

879
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: in touch. Sure have had conversations with Dalvin Cook. My

880
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: whole thing is, you know how I feel about running backs.

881
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: You know how I feel about paying running backs bad business.

882
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: On top of that, I don't see how Remandre and

883
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook really compliment each other, and therefore it's tough

884
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: to envision them playing together or that being like some

885
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: sort of dynamic right duo?

886
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: Like what is what is getting Dalvin Cook do?

887
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: Right?

888
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: And like the caller said, we need stars, Okay, but

889
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: this isn't a position like receiver where you're putting everybody

890
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,959
Speaker 1: on the field. So honestly, who's better at this point

891
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: or Mondre at Dalvin Cook. It's pretty close.

892
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: It's close. It's close, but you're not.

893
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: They're not gonna put both of them on the field

894
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: at that point. In an offense that already seems to

895
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: be designed to be very too tight and heavy, you're

896
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: redesigning the entire offense, which you don't do it this

897
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: time of year.

898
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: That to me is so Dalvin Cook. We always talk

899
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: about this like it's like playing Matt right, like you're

900
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: just collecting talent even.

901
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: And that even in Madden. If I Evermondrick Stevenson, I

902
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't sign Talvin Cook because only one of them can

903
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: play it a ton.

904
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, like and like the better comparisons. When we were talking,

905
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: we were in the height of draft season. Yeah, and

906
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: Jamier Gibbs names came up. You can see how Jamiir

907
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: Gibbs and Remondra Stevenson could be this thunder and lightning

908
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: and play off of each other. And Gibbs could play

909
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: some receiver and that would allow you to run some

910
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: what would be considered too running back. But it's kind

911
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 2: of different. It's this sort of middle thing, different sort

912
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: of animal. Dalvin Cook and remondra Stevenson are like the

913
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: same type.

914
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: Of r So people hear you say that and say, well,

915
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: you know they need a lesson romondre Stevenson's workload. So

916
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: that's perfect. You know, when he has to come off

917
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: the field, you have another guy that's talented. And that's

918
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: all well and good. And look, if Dalvin Cook's gonna

919
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: come for a million dollars, two million dollars, fine, he's

920
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: a good football player. If you can add I'll never

921
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: say no to adding a good football player to the team. Right,

922
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: But are you gonna pay Dalvin Cook five that The

923
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: role that we're talking about is what fifteen snaps a game.

924
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: It's it's more like carries, right, Like, it's more like

925
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: eight to ten carries.

926
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: Eight to ten carries a game. Are you gonna pay

927
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: five six million dollars for you know that? Because keep

928
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: in mind, if you do that, there goes to Hopkins money. Right,

929
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: You're not getting both. He's all the talk about them

930
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: joining the same team is for social media likes. It's

931
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: not happening because they both want to get paid and

932
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: neither no team. The teams that have that kind of

933
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: money to spend, are trying to get Kayleb Williams. They're

934
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: not interested in bringing either guy in. Ye, so that's

935
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: not gonna happen at that point. Yeah, I'll take the

936
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: drop off to time on Coomery. I'll take the drop

937
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: off to Kevin Harris. I'll take the drop off to

938
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: Pierre Strong. Dalvin Cook doesn't Adding Dalvin Cook does not

939
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: make them a better football team. He's a good player,

940
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: he's better than some of the players they have, but

941
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: they would not be a better football team by adding

942
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: him for what he's ultimately gonna want. Again, if he

943
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: wants signed for two million dollars, I don't care.

944
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: Sign If this was twenty years ago when La Danny

945
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: and Tomlinson and Priest Holmes and Sean Alexander were rock

946
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: three hundred times a year and you said, oh, like,

947
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: let's give one fifty to Dalvin Cook and one fifty

948
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 2: to Remandre Stevenson and we're gonna be.

949
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: The old Jonathan Stewart t'angelo Williams off right.

950
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: And then then maybe maybe maybe maybe, But that's just

951
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: not the type of football that you play anymore, and

952
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: it's just not the way that the league is trending,

953
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: and I just I don't see it being really beneficial. Like,

954
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: I don't think that that makes you this high.

955
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: Powers off It doesn't because it's the way the position works.

956
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: And neither of them can really play receiver. And even

957
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: if they did, you'd have to rewrite the offense.

958
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't do is maybe a little bit

959
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: better of like a natural. Dalvin Cook's a really good

960
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 2: screen back, but neither.

961
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: Of them are receivers. Now, if they were going to

962
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: take five million dollars and give it to Dalvin Cook,

963
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: I would say, take that five million dollars, put it

964
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: on top of what you're gonna get DeAndre Hopkins, and

965
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: see if you can get him a sign right now.

966
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: That would be a much better am I Ron. That

967
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: would be a much better use of that money than

968
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: trying to sign Dalvin Cook.

969
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, the last thing on Dalvin Cook. So the two

970
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 2: teams that have shown a little bit of interest in him,

971
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 2: the Jets and the Dolphins, is what the reports are now,

972
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: are kicking the tires. They're both in the Shanahan Tree.

973
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: Nathaniel Hackett is running the offense now with the Jets

974
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: under Robert Sala, who obviously was the defensive coordinator for

975
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan out in San Francisco, and Nathaniel Hackett comes

976
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: from Matt Lafloor in Green Bay, right, So there's a

977
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: lot of connections to that West Coast outside zone system.

978
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: And then in Miami, obviously they have McDaniel running Kyle

979
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: Shanahan's offense essentially. So Dalvin Cook in Minnesota played most

980
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: of his career under North Turner and then in the

981
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: North Turner outside zone system. What I'm getting at is

982
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: is that Dalvin Cook is a zone back. He is

983
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: a zone running back. He is a one cut and

984
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: go type of running back. Now I'm not saying that

985
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: you can't have overlap there and like it's not football's

986
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: football to an extent, but he doesn't naturally fit into

987
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: a gap scheme team. And if you want the Patriots

988
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,959
Speaker 2: to get back to pull the guard, get downhill, bull

989
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: guys off the ball, run that man, power gap, whatever

990
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: you want to call it, type of offense and not

991
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: be the outside zone mess that we saw last year,

992
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: that is not what Dalvin Cook does best. So he's

993
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: gonna go from this Kevin O'Connell nor of Turner system

994
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: and kind of lineage probably to like the Shanahan tree,

995
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: and that's gonna be a pretty good transition for him.

996
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: Him coming here, it would be significantly different than the

997
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: things that he did in Minnesota from a schematic standpoint.

998
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: So I don't think that that's the end all be all,

999
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 2: especially with running backs, because it's you get the ball

1000
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 2: and run like it's not it's not really uh that

1001
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: much of a of a change, But I think it

1002
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: is worth mentioning that based off the teams that are

1003
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 2: showing interest in him, based off of his history in Minnesota,

1004
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: it seems like the league views him as like a

1005
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: zone back, and and you know they're not going to

1006
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: be a lot of teams that are going to be

1007
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: looking for him to be a downhill runner. So we'll see.

1008
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 2: I think that that one has like a zero percent

1009
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: chance of happening. I always I never say zero, So

1010
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 2: let's say one percent chance of happening. But I don't

1011
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 2: want I don't want people to get infatuate the days

1012
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 2: we we we kind of threw out some other running backs.

1013
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 2: I guess they are kind of names too, like Zeke

1014
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: Elliott's a little bit of a name. Leonard Fournette certainly

1015
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 2: has a Yeah, come on, stop it, let's get some real,

1016
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 2: real NFL player in here. Yeah, I want your list

1017
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 2: because I I still come back to this. I still

1018
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: think the more that I dwell on it, and the

1019
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: more that I think about their running back situation, I

1020
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 2: think that they need another guy.

1021
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: So these aren't necessarily the guys I would sign. These

1022
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: are the guys that will Stalvin Cook, and then just

1023
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: the guys you could make a case for. I wouldn't

1024
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: necessarily sign all of them, but the guys can make

1025
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: case for Leonard Fournette. Yep, I know you like Ezekiel Elliott.

1026
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: I like, Yeah, mark Ingram.

1027
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: A little old, right, he's like thirty three.

1028
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: I don't really care. I'm bowling ball, bowling ball. He

1029
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: could be a one for one replacement for Damian Errors.

1030
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that.

1031
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: I don't hate I love mark Ingram in terms of

1032
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: his career, but he's.

1033
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: Also just think getting a veteran like that in the

1034
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: locker room would be good. Rex Burkhead's technically free agent.

1035
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's had a lot of injuries.

1036
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: Like, okay, he is only thirty two. I just I

1037
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it, like you said, because the injuries, but

1038
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: I could totally see them bringing Rex Burke get back

1039
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: for a second stint. That's something they would do. Kenyan Drake,

1040
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: who by the way, is only twenty nine.

1041
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 2: I like Kenyan Drake a little bit more versatility, I

1042
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: think than some of these other guys.

1043
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: Okay, play special teams.

1044
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: Yep, Marlon Mack. What happened to Marlon Mack.

1045
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: Towards Achilles like three years ago? And he just hasn't

1046
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: been the same player.

1047
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: He did that once already, No, thank you, Well that's it.

1048
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: But that's why he's on this list. If they thought

1049
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: James Robinson, if the idea was like, here's a guy

1050
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: who towards Achilles a couple of years ago, let's see

1051
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: if he's over it, Marlon Mack would essentially be the

1052
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: same line of things, repeating the same mistake. Well, his

1053
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: was actually further back, was further back. So and when

1054
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: he was in his prime, I mean he was.

1055
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 2: He's a good player. Shit, yeah, Benny Snell bowling ball.

1056
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's my list.

1057
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 2: Okay, so I still and Reggie Corbyn. If you could

1058
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: get Zeke on a discount, then I would seek the

1059
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 2: best player out of that group beside Davin Cook. Obviously,

1060
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: I still lean like Leonard Fournette might be the best

1061
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: bet all all around for them, just price need that

1062
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 2: type of thing, and they've shown interest in the player

1063
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: in the past, so that you know that that's something

1064
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: that also stands out to me with Fournette. I just

1065
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: look at their running back depth chart. You have a

1066
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: Remandre at the top, then you really have three and

1067
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: I'm you know, five guys under contract, including Jaja Taylor.

1068
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: But JJ Taylor is a practice squad guy. You know,

1069
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: he's a practice squad guy in case of emergency back.

1070
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: I just don't look at him and see a guy

1071
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 2: that's ever gonna really be a rotational piece in an

1072
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 2: NFL backfield, to be honest, Yeah, Kevin Harris, Pierre Strong,

1073
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: Ti Montgomery, that's a ton of uncertainty.

1074
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: Now.

1075
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: I'm talking to both sides of my mouth a little

1076
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: bit with running backs because I'm usually at the school

1077
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: thought that they're a dime a dozen. They're all replaceable

1078
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 2: for the most part, so there shouldn't be a big

1079
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 2: difference between Kevin Harris and Leonard Fournette, right, like you

1080
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 2: just even though Kevin Harris has not carried the football,

1081
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,959
Speaker 2: I think he is like eighteen career carries from last

1082
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: year or something like that. There still shouldn't be a

1083
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: big difference. But I don't know what we have yet

1084
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: in the second year running back, So you don't know

1085
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: what you have the second year running backs. And Ty

1086
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 2: Montgomery really hasn't been productive in the NFL for like

1087
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: four years. And he's looked great in the spring. He

1088
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: looked great in the summer last year, like he's looked

1089
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 2: like he's been pushing for a role for two straight

1090
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: a spring in summers now. But the last time that

1091
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: Thy Montgomery had like a useful NFL season was like

1092
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen with the Packers. So so I got to

1093
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: see you on there's so much uncertainty with that.

1094
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: I agree with you on Montgomery. What I will say

1095
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: about the two guys they drafted, right, the two younger

1096
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: guys Strong and Harris. You gotta get him a shot.

1097
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: I agree, you can't draft guy and they did this

1098
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: for a few years, and it's part of the reason

1099
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: I think during the spot where they are now. Maybe

1100
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: Juwan Williams was always destined to be a bust, but

1101
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: the fact he never really got any true NFL snaps

1102
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: until his third year. There's a reason he looked like

1103
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: a rookie. He is a third year player because he

1104
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: didn't have any experience. Yeah, he was experiencing it like

1105
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: a rookie. It hampers players that now a red shirt

1106
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: for certain guys who are developmental players. That's one thing.

1107
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: And I think to an extent, Pierre Strong was that

1108
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: Kevin Harris there might have been some concerns about his back. Yeah,

1109
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: but you gotta play these guys. You've got to play

1110
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: these guys to figure out if they're the real dealer

1111
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: or not. Otherwise you're just flushing those picks. So I

1112
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: think they're in a spot where they can kind of

1113
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: afford to do that. Let them play, see what happens.

1114
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: I it's risky. It's risky because you don't want to

1115
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: First of all, worst case, absolute worst case scenario, Remandre

1116
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 2: goes down with an injury and you're only left with

1117
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: these three guys, right right, best case scenario, they are

1118
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: they able to truly step up and spell Remondra to

1119
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 2: the point where he's not worn down by the end

1120
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 2: of the year like last year. It's risky, but I

1121
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 2: agree with you for the most part that they should

1122
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: just let it roll. But at the end of the day,

1123
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: they only have five backs on the roster and they

1124
00:53:54,360 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 2: like to carry four. So three when we start talking about, right,

1125
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 2: but usually they carry four out of camp.

1126
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean, did they carry last year?

1127
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 2: I think they carried four, but then you know injuries

1128
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 2: that time. Yeah, yeah, so they like to carry four

1129
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 2: out of camp. I don't think JJ Taylor is a

1130
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 2: real roster consideration at this point. So you kind of

1131
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: have like four guys that are just going through it

1132
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 2: right now, right like they're gonna just be on the team.

1133
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 2: It just you're an injury away from having a problem there.

1134
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 2: And at this point, isn't it better to just get

1135
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 2: the guy in for trading camp and get him up

1136
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: to speed and then to try to sign Leonard Fournette

1137
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 2: and like week three?

1138
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: But then no, no, So you're burning a spot on

1139
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: a running back that's not going to play at that point.

1140
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: I guess I'm and I was literally gonna say, you,

1141
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: what are the chances that Dalvin Cook, Leonard Fournette, is

1142
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: Egil Elliott are all unsigned heading into the regular season.

1143
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance that at least a couple

1144
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: of those guys, Yeah, I think.

1145
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: I think Dalvin will sign, but at this point Zeke

1146
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: and Fournette haven't signed, so that those two guys are

1147
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: what Hopkins is hoping is gonna happen at Ris.

1148
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna get hurt. So okay, no, it's a little difference.

1149
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: Hopkins is not waiting until the regular season.

1150
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: Now.

1151
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: Those two guys I could see missing the entire preseason,

1152
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: Fournette and Elliott because at the end of the day,

1153
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: they don't want to take the beating, right, they don't

1154
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: want to take any beating. They don't have to. They

1155
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: might wait a couple weeks to sign. If I'm the Patriots,

1156
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. They can pick up that part

1157
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: of the offense. You're not gonna ask them a pass block.

1158
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: You're not gonna ask him to do anything that overly complicated.

1159
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 1: You're just gonna ask them to eat up some carries.

1160
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: I'd rather go in with the four, as kind of

1161
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,439
Speaker 1: weird as this sounds, because I know he's the worst

1162
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: player for the group. The guy it upgrade is JJ Taylor.

1163
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: Can you get a better guy that you're going to

1164
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: because Taylor's role right now is you gonna put Hm

1165
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: on the practice squad and if injuries pile up, you're

1166
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: gonna elevate him. And he's been in the offense. Can

1167
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: you find a better player for that role? That could

1168
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: be Benny Snell, That could be Marlon Mack, that could

1169
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: be Kenyan Drake, that could be Reggie Corbin. That is

1170
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: the role. I think that makes the most sense for

1171
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: an upgrade right now. Just get a better player than

1172
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: J J. Taylor to stick on the practice squad.

1173
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. I just I'm not as worried. I

1174
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: gotta be honest, I'm not as worried about the two

1175
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: second year guys like I think Kevin Harrison Pierre Strong

1176
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: that we have seen this movie before where guys that

1177
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 2: don't play as rookies or our rookies like you know,

1178
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: uh Pacheco last year of the Chiefs, right, Like, they

1179
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 2: just give him a chance and those guys can produce

1180
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: Time Montgomery. I don't I don't want to go total

1181
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: Like I remember last summer, I took the cheese on

1182
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 2: Time Montgomery and he got hurt, right, And that's not

1183
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 2: necessarily a bad evaluation on anybody's part. We all were

1184
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: kind of like, oh, this guy's gonna be a contributor

1185
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 2: this year. But you look back at his stats and

1186
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 2: it is really true that he has not He has

1187
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: not contributed to an NFL offense in a in a

1188
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: major way in quite some time at this point, and

1189
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 2: you're you're putting a ton of eggs in his basket

1190
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 2: right now as being that third down back. All right,

1191
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 2: we're gonna get to one more call here and then

1192
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 2: we'll talk some Miami Dolphins, Sean and Vancouver. What's up Sean?

1193
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 5: Hey?

1194
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 6: You know earlier on tu someone sent in a question

1195
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 6: about which former Patriot who never played under Belichick one

1196
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 6: player you'd take and that category to add to this team.

1197
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 6: And No, Andre tip is my favorite player of all time, Evan.

1198
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 6: I love your pick of Stanley Morgan Haynes, amazing cornerback,

1199
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 6: maybe one of the best, and the one guy I

1200
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 6: would take, and I would think, like forty other Patriots,

1201
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 6: I like better than this player. But because of the

1202
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 6: team that we have, because of the needs, I'd go

1203
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 6: with Brian Holloway. And I know he'd be undersized to

1204
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 6: stay and I know a lot of his success had

1205
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 6: to do with be next to John Hannah, but they

1206
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 6: need a tackle. I mean, that's my biggest concern, right.

1207
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 2: So you go with Brian Holloway over Bruce Armstrong. If

1208
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: we're going to go tackle.

1209
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 6: Bruce Armstrong played in two thousand, you can't count him.

1210
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 2: He played in two thousand.

1211
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he was on the last year because.

1212
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 2: Gosh, jeez, do you know what this is?

1213
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: He played for So the chain of is there, The

1214
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: chain of most games ever played by a Patriot is continuous.

1215
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: So hang on, I'm trying to find the exact list. Okay,

1216
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: so ready for this. So the most games played by

1217
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: a Patriot who was on the initial team was Gino Cappelletti.

1218
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: Gino Cappiletti played until nineteen sixty nine when he was

1219
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: teammates with I believe it's I might be missing it

1220
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: wrong here, but basically was teammates with John Hannah. John

1221
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: Hanna's rookie year, the year John Hannah retired, Bruce Armstrong

1222
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: was a rookie. He then broke Hannah's record for the

1223
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: most games played as a Patriot, and then in Hannah's

1224
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: final year when he broke the record, Brady was a rookie.

1225
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: So the next person in theory to play the most

1226
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: games ever was a Patriot who will break Brady was

1227
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: a rookie in twenty nineteen, but nobody from the twenty

1228
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: nineteen draft class he's left on the team. So I

1229
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: am just realizing that last part now, is I said it?

1230
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 2: So I'm not hallucinating that Bruce Armstrong and John Hannah

1231
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 2: played together right for a period of time. So Bruce

1232
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 2: Armstrong had.

1233
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: Thinks I gotta find this. I think I missed a

1234
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: link any of that. But I'm gonna look it up

1235
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: real quick, Evan Stots.

1236
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: So, so I just looked it up, and you're right

1237
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: that that Armstrong was on the two thousand Patriots. So

1238
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: he played for thirteen towns.

1239
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: I knew.

1240
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: I did not realize that he that he played he

1241
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 2: went from eighty seven to two thousand.

1242
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: I don't think he played a ton in two thousand.

1243
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: I think he missed it. Oh no, he started off

1244
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: sixteen games.

1245
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that that that was I was. I did

1246
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 2: not realize Jimmy could.

1247
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 6: But that doesn't go by the parameters.

1248
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, all right, So yeah, I guess you know

1249
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: you have to get to another tackle.

1250
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: Okay, here's what you're doing, And here's what I messed up.

1251
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 1: It was not it's not John Hannah Who's the middle

1252
00:59:58,440 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: link in that chain is Julius Adams.

1253
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 2: Julius Adams. That's another good one.

1254
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Gino, a couple of guys had played the

1255
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: most games from sixty to seventy. There were a couple

1256
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: guys around all those teams. And then Julius Adams, and

1257
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: then Julius Adams retired after the nineteen eighty seven season.

1258
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty seven, Bruce Armstrong was a rookie. He

1259
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: played until two thousand. Who was a rookie in two thousand,

1260
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: Tom Brady? And now because I thought so, honestly, I'm

1261
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: looking at that, and Brady left, and I'm like, Jake

1262
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: Bailey's gonna play like four hundred games for the Patriots

1263
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: now and shatter that record. It was all lined up

1264
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: for it to be Jake Bailey, and then it wasn't.

1265
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 2: I just there has Who was the tackle you mentioned again, Sean,

1266
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 2: I forget Bryan. There's not a better tackle in Patriots history.

1267
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 6: He was good, he was really good. But again it's

1268
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 6: it's a lot of it. You got to count these

1269
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 6: right next to John Hannah's the best guard of all time.

1270
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 6: And now he'd be too short, he was too light.

1271
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 2: Too small, so John Hannah unfortunately, all right, okay, you

1272
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 2: know I like your line of thinking though, Sean, and

1273
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: thanks for the call. We always appreciate it.

1274
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 6: Okayhead point is like, that's my concern is tackle?

1275
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah no, yeah, no, I I I thought about tackle,

1276
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 2: and I think originally I realized that Bruce Armstrong wouldn't qualify,

1277
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: and then for some reason I.

1278
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: Had brain what was the what was the prompt? Again?

1279
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 2: It was what non Belichick? You're a Patriot would you

1280
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 2: put want to put most on this team right now?

1281
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 2: So like tipping Haynes Stanley Morgan, Like you know you got,

1282
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 2: I said Stanley Morgan, Stanley honestly, I.

1283
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 6: Love him way more than away. It's just I just

1284
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 6: I'm just so concerned about tackle.

1285
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: They need to tackle, Like I see where you're going

1286
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: for that. I'm just kind of like, who would be

1287
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: the most fun you know who I just want to

1288
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: see in the modern NFL. I don't I don't think

1289
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: this Patriots team needs him. But he'd be sick to

1290
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: watch game. Ben Coates?

1291
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: So Ben Coates played, did not play? I just looked

1292
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 2: this up.

1293
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: He didn't right. His last year was ninety nine and

1294
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: then in two thousand. He was on Baltimore.

1295
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 2: He want to ring with, so we we got to

1296
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 2: Ben Coates eventually. So Ben Coates is in the running.

1297
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: Dude, Bill O'Brien with Ben Coates, like, come on, yeah, yeah,

1298
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: Ben Coates is one of those guys you hate. I know,

1299
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: you hate the whole Oh well, you know he couldn't

1300
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,479
Speaker 1: play with guys now because they were smaller and slower

1301
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: and less athletic back then.

1302
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: Well that's what Schohn just said about Holloway.

1303
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: I get that. You can't say that about Ben Coates.

1304
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: Ben Coates was six five, two fistes.

1305
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 2: No, Ben Coates was.

1306
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: Modern NFL. He really was. So here's here's I know

1307
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: you want to get to the Dolphins. But here's the

1308
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: question I've had in the past. Do the Patriots have

1309
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: the greatest tight end history in the NFL? They have Gronk,

1310
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: they have Coats, Russ Francis is another guy. The only

1311
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: team I think that comes close is the Chiefs with

1312
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez and Travis Kelsey. Yeah, I still go Patriots.

1313
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: The other thing is, now, like these are just the

1314
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: questions I think think about.

1315
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 2: It's June twenty seconds.

1316
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: Okay, how many positions do the Patriots have that you

1317
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: could arguably make They've had the greatest player of all

1318
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: time position.

1319
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 2: So Belichick did that thirty third team interview and he

1320
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 2: touched on this a little bit. Yeah that he's key thinks.

1321
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 2: So he's coached. Yeah, he's coached the greatest offensive player,

1322
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: defensive player, and special teams player in the history of

1323
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 2: the NFL.

1324
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: So if we're going to go by position though, for

1325
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: the Patriots, they have had and I'll say arguably, but

1326
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback of all time.

1327
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 2: Not arguably but right yeah.

1328
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: Tight end, yeah, Wide receiver with Moss with Moss, yeah.

1329
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: Guard yeah. Case to be made for John Hannah there is.

1330
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 2: I'm not going to hurt Patriots feelings, fans feelings with

1331
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 2: the corner which corners, Okay.

1332
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: You could make an argument that they not long term,

1333
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: but I'm saying that they had the greatest player that position.

1334
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 2: I guess if we're talking, if we're going to count Moss,

1335
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 2: then we have to, you know, give Revis.

1336
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: Well, you could you could say Rivis isn't the greatest

1337
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: corner ball time. I personally don't think he is. No,

1338
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: but some people do. Kicker yep, sure, coverage, whatever you

1339
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: want to call and coach.

1340
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like half a roster if you want to

1341
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 2: go like also, you know, it's tough now because they're

1342
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 2: getting into like the minutia of like you know, but

1343
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 2: third down back or like nose tackle like true like

1344
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 2: Vince will Fork, Stiles.

1345
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: Will Forth the greatest nose tackle.

1346
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 2: Of all had I don't know if he's the greatest

1347
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 2: nose tackle of all time because that was a position

1348
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 2: that back in the day there was a lot more options,

1349
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 2: but he's certainly one of the better modern nose tackles

1350
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 2: of all time.

1351
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not that I like that there's not

1352
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: a lot of clarifications on this because I think that

1353
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: the greatest player of all time. Like how hard is that?

1354
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: There's only so many of those guys. Ye know, it's

1355
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: it's a good point and quarterback, you can make case it.

1356
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: Some are stronger than others, quarterback, tight end, receiver, corner,

1357
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: U head coach, kicker, coverage guy. If you want to

1358
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: go by era, I mean you could say they had

1359
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: the best safety of the two Oh no, they didn't.

1360
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: The best strong safety of the two thousands, Rodney and

1361
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: Rodney's not the best safety. It's at fame whipid, which

1362
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: is very stupid. The founding member of the thirty thirty

1363
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: Club can't get in old, and he was the first.

1364
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: Ray Lewis has since joined him. Ray got in on

1365
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: the first ballot. For those of you who don't know

1366
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: what the thirty thirty Club is, thirty career interceptions, thirty

1367
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: career sacks. The players who have done that Rodney Harrison,

1368
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: ray Lewis, end of list. And in terms of active players,

1369
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: the only guy who's at fifteen to fifteen is Harrison Smith.

1370
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: And Harrison Smith was a good player. I know he's

1371
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: still playing. He's not getting a thirty thirty. Okay, nobody

1372
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: else is close.

1373
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 2: I said Bruce Armstrong tackled because that's like just Patriots tackle.

1374
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 2: That's the name. So Leon Gray might have been better

1375
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 2: than the name that shines.

1376
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: So I pulled up like the All Decades teams. H

1377
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: do you want the tackles from the All decades teams? All? Right?

1378
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,439
Speaker 2: So we can And this is pre Belichick because Leon Gray.

1379
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 2: I remember John Hannah talking about Leon Gray and how

1380
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 2: good Leon Yeah?

1381
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: His uh conduction? That was cool. So Pat Harlowe was

1382
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: the All nineties tackle besides Armstrong yeah, only played four years.

1383
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: Eighties Armstrong in Holloway, Yeah, seventies Leon Gray, Tom Nevill, Yeah,

1384
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: and the sixties was Tom Neville and Charlie Long. I

1385
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: think it's Leon Gray.

1386
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: I think it's Leon Gray too. Yeah, and he's a

1387
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 2: left tackle, perk.

1388
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, give me Leon Gray.

1389
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 2: He also played next to John Hannah.

1390
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: But everybody played next to John Hannah. Good player, Give me,

1391
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: give me, give me Leon Gray. You want one more

1392
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: weird Patriots?

1393
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 2: Yes, then we got we got to get into that

1394
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 2: into our AFC's preview.

1395
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: Yes, very excited by the way your left tackle Leon

1396
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: Gray six three two fifty six. It was the difference.

1397
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 2: This is this is you know, you know how I

1398
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 2: must feel about about John Hannah.

1399
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: Then all right, but you get him on a modern

1400
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: like weight plan, a modern plan, and.

1401
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 2: You're gonna get six fifty pound John Hannah on a

1402
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 2: modern weight plan. I think it's gonna make a difference.

1403
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: With John Hannah's athleticism. You put in the league. This now,

1404
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,080
Speaker 1: you put him in the league. Now, maybe he's not

1405
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: a guard, but is he like an okay, linebacker?

1406
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 2: I'm not ready like this. This take is not air

1407
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 2: ready yet. This is this is I'm gonna make it.

1408
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 2: I've thought about it many times.

1409
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: You can say he's not a guard in the modern NFL.

1410
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: But with his athleticism, is he a player? He might be.

1411
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 2: I think he's a full back.

1412
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: If he's like two inches taller, he's a great tight end.

1413
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: My other weird statistical thing I've always wondered six.

1414
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,439
Speaker 2: Two two sixty five for John Hannah six he could

1415
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 2: play tight end. I think he's a full back.

1416
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: He takes yeah, like a move because he was super athletic,

1417
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: like good yeah, like a like a George Kittle type,

1418
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: he's gotta take a little weight or like a Kyle

1419
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: hu Chick Kyle use check. Yeah, yeah, yea, that's what

1420
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: I was saying.

1421
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 2: I think he's more like a true bat, like a

1422
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 2: James Devil and battering ram full back personally got a

1423
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 2: little yeah, but he's.

1424
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: Two sixty Have you ever seen him out in the

1425
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: open field? I know, But if he's gonna be a

1426
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: full back and him take a little weight off anyway.

1427
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: The other weird statistical Patriots thing I have long tried

1428
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: to figure out, yeah is and this is this is

1429
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: Patriots and NFL, so we just sort of figured it

1430
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: out with the Patriots. Like, how many generations of Patriots

1431
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: players have there been? There was the first team the

1432
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: AFL that a bunch of guys played ten years. Then

1433
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 1: you had Julius Adams, Then you had Bruce Armstrong, then

1434
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: you had Tom Brady. You can go back and you

1435
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: can pick anybody who's been on the team since twenty nineteen.

1436
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: There's a handful of guys. Now we'll call it Slater. Yeah,

1437
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: you only need five players to go back to the

1438
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 1: start of the Patriots, to go back to the start

1439
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 1: of the NFL. And you can call that nineteen seventy,

1440
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: the merger, you can call it nineteen sixty, you can

1441
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: call it nineteen twenty whatever. Yeah, Like how many what

1442
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: is the fewest players you would have to go back

1443
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: to go back to the beginning, right, Like so Brady

1444
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: played with like because Brady was in the league forever,

1445
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: Brady played with And this probably isn't the best example

1446
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: off the top of my head, but like.

1447
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 2: We need a white part for this.

1448
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: I know, I've tried to look this up and it's

1449
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 1: really hard to figure out. Like John Carrey, who remember

1450
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: the Panthers kid allus, Like he began his career in

1451
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 1: like nineteen eighty two. So okay, is there a guy

1452
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,799
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty two who like, who is the longest

1453
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: tenured player? Then who maybe played like in the late sixties,

1454
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: and then can you get somebody who maybe played from

1455
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: like the late early sixties? How many what is the

1456
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 1: shortest chain of players to go back to get to

1457
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: the start of the NFL. I would love to know

1458
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: the answer to that.

1459
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 2: I don't actually the answer.

1460
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm saying. I've tried figuring it out,

1461
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 1: but you need to, like, there's a way.

1462
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 2: How you had a point to this. Your point is

1463
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 2: that you don't actually know.

1464
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: My point is it's five for the Patriots, so that

1465
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: means it's at the most five going back to nineteen sixty.

1466
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: Maybe it can be done with fewer. But if anybody

1467
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 1: is the answer, I would very much like to know

1468
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 1: that in who the chain is, because I think it

1469
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 1: would get very interesting. I saw somebody do this for

1470
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: baseball once, and it's like, who's the manager there? Or

1471
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: there was some pitcher who pitched in a game or

1472
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: or pitching a game that Connie Mack managed, and he

1473
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: also pitched a game that I think like Ken Griffy

1474
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: Junior played, which is insane if you think about it.

1475
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: So what is the equivalent of that for the NFL? Like,

1476
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 1: are there two guys that you think of just being

1477
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: night and day different eras that there are only gapped

1478
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: by one player?

1479
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 2: Okay, get what I'm saying?

1480
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? If so, Like, okay, I'll give me no one

1481
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:14,719
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice yeah and Justin Jefferson Yeah, are only gapped

1482
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 1: by one player? Tom Brady played against both of them.

1483
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 1: Do you get what I'm saying?

1484
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 2: But Tom Brady played for twenty years.

1485
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: But that's my point, Like what is the fewest? Isn't

1486
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: that kind of crazy?

1487
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 5: Though?

1488
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,759
Speaker 1: To think about what is the fewest iterations going back

1489
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: that you could do that you wouldn't enjoy this?

1490
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 2: No, I don't enjoy it.

1491
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: Somebody in the chat said Chris Slade on the Modern Team.

1492
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean that would be cool, But Chris Slade, Okay.

1493
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 1: You have a lot of pass rushers because you have him, right.

1494
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 2: Well, that's like, so, like, you know, obviously the best

1495
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 2: player is probably.

1496
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: Tip, but I think I hit the table. It is sorry, No,

1497
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: you're good, You're good?

1498
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Uh So obviously, like Tip comes to

1499
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 2: mind for everybody, right, but that and you have Judan

1500
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 2: j Tip, Like obviously that's dominant, but like, at the

1501
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: same time, how does everybody play and where does everybody play?

1502
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 2: And like probably Josh j is not on the field

1503
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 2: honestly in that group.

1504
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: As crazy as this sounds, that I'm thinking more about

1505
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: this question. And like the tackle history isn't is strong

1506
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: in New England. I'm assuming we get this player in

1507
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: their prime, right, yeah, yeah, Devin mccordy.

1508
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:24,759
Speaker 2: He played for Bill Belichick.

1509
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 1: Oh right, right, it's not Belichick players. I forget about that.

1510
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's talk a little bit of Dolphins.

1511
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 2: I have a couple thoughts on the Dolphins. That was fun,

1512
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 2: So we're you know, we can get into some roster

1513
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 2: nitty gritty with the Dolphins too, but I want to

1514
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 2: talk about it. And just for everybody, realize, we're gonna take.

1515
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: The next time real quick. Somebody in the chat pointed

1516
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: out Patrick Peterson played with Joey Porter Senior and is

1517
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 1: gonna play with Joey Porter Jr.

1518
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 2: You know this, I just don't care. I love this stuff,

1519
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 2: you know, I just couldn't care less. Uh, We're gonna

1520
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 2: do this next couple of weeks in this dead period,

1521
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 2: re introduce ourselves, refamiliarize ourselves against the better word with

1522
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,879
Speaker 2: the AFC East, And I'm starting with Miami. Will do Buffalo?

1523
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 2: Do the Jets as well? So the Dolphins? A few

1524
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 2: big picture things with the Dolphins. Number one, the question

1525
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 2: that I have the biggest question over the Dolphins right

1526
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 2: now is obviously to his health. Right Like, if Tua

1527
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 2: stays healthy, they're a potential playoff team, dark horse contender,

1528
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. I don't think they're

1529
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 2: truly like a super Bowl contender even with the healthy Tua,

1530
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 2: but they're a dark horse team that could be, you know,

1531
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 2: a sneaky super Bowl contender other than Tua. And you

1532
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 2: know how how how geeked up and nerded up was

1533
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 2: I about Mike McDaniel in the beginning last year, Alex, Like,

1534
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 2: I does you fail for it? I fell for it?

1535
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 2: And you you know you're you. You took your shots

1536
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 2: at at his nerdiness and.

1537
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: Not a good coach.

1538
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 2: Okay, So here's the bigger question I have with Miami.

1539
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 2: And then I also have a similar take up about

1540
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 2: the defense. Do the league figure out Mike McDaniel regardless

1541
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 2: of to his health and doesn't Mike McDaniel have the chops,

1542
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:10,440
Speaker 2: does he have the coaching acumen, does he have the

1543
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:16,799
Speaker 2: the the rolodecks quite frankly to pivot, like to refigure

1544
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 2: out the league right like, so they adjusted to some

1545
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 2: of the motion things that they were doing, like motioning

1546
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,839
Speaker 2: Tyree Kill into the route and giving him that head start,

1547
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 2: and they teams were weren't learning how to switch it

1548
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 2: off and pass it off and get away with it

1549
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 2: and not get burned by it as badly. They also

1550
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 2: started to figure out some of the RPO stuff and

1551
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 2: some of the motion things and misdirection, smoke and mirrors.

1552
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 2: When you watch the Dolphins and you watch Mike McDaniel,

1553
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 2: I think one of the things that really can confuse

1554
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 2: teams with their offense is just like how many moving

1555
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,719
Speaker 2: parts there are? Right, You got guys coming in motion,

1556
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 2: and you got got you know, outside zone, and you

1557
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 2: got pole schemes and you got it does look like

1558
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 2: it's sort of like three D chess offensive scheming. But

1559
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 2: eventually teams just sort of figured it out. The Chargers

1560
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 2: started it. The Niners obviously that defense ate them alive,

1561
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 2: but they they were That was during the Niners hot

1562
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 2: streak defensively, So the question is is does Mike McDaniel

1563
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 2: have a plan beat? Can he pivot? Can he play

1564
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 2: left handed? Is there another thing that he can go to?

1565
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,600
Speaker 2: He talked about a little bit about like regret that

1566
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 2: they didn't run the football more like maybe that's what

1567
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 2: he thinks it is. I don't know. The other thing

1568
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 2: that I think is also coaching related with the Dolphins,

1569
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 2: Vic Fangio their defensive coordinator now the Dolphins defensively throughout

1570
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,719
Speaker 2: I would say a large part of like our era

1571
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,600
Speaker 2: of football have been really talented on that side of

1572
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 2: the ball, Like even going back to like the early

1573
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 2: Brady years with like Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas and

1574
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 2: like they've had some real.

1575
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,600
Speaker 1: Do you know my take about the early two thousands.

1576
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:03,799
Speaker 2: Dolphins, Yeah, they probably would have been.

1577
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 1: If the Dolphins get moved to the AFC South like

1578
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: they should have been instead of the Colts. They are

1579
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: the Patriots biggest rival. In the early part of the dynasty.

1580
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: That team was loaded on defense. They had Ricky Williams

1581
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 1: at a time when having Eleaite running back mattered. Those

1582
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: teams were stacked. That's another dynasty. The Patriots.

1583
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 2: So I think over the last couple of years, the

1584
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 2: Dolphins have also been pretty well equipped defensively in terms

1585
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 2: of talent. You know Xavian Howard. I love Christian Wilkins.

1586
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 2: I think he's a really good player. They trade for

1587
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 2: Bradley Chubb, they draft Jalen Phillips, who I think is

1588
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 2: gonna be a sneaky, breakout star type of guy for

1589
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 2: them this year. But and I love flow Brian Flores.

1590
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 2: I think he's a good coach. They've always seemed to

1591
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 2: not get the most out of that talent sometimes on

1592
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 2: the defense side of the ball. They have all the

1593
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 2: star power in the world. And I know your feelings

1594
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 2: on Jalen Ramsey, but they have Jalen Ramsey, they have

1595
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 2: Xavian Howard, they have Christian Wilkins. You got guys that

1596
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 2: can play. I mentioned the two edge rushers, and now

1597
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 2: they got Fangio. Fango scares me, is my is the

1598
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 2: end of this this ran tier Fangio. His ability to

1599
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 2: scheme it up, his ability to set and really the

1600
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,719
Speaker 2: most important thing, I don't even know if it's necessarily

1601
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 2: a game plan. He's gonna install a system, yeah, and

1602
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 2: it's gonna be sound, and it's gonna be a system

1603
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,959
Speaker 2: that they can plug and play. And last year, for example,

1604
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 2: they came here with Skyler Thompson and Teddy Bridgewater Dolphins,

1605
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 2: and a big reason why the Patriots won that game

1606
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 2: was the quarterback situation from Miami, no doubt. But you

1607
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 2: remember that they were down like ten corners in that game,

1608
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 2: and they still came out and like played blitzman for

1609
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 2: the whole first half, and then finally they started playing

1610
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 2: some more zone and all of a sudden, the Patriots

1611
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 2: offense couldn't move the ball anymore. I don't think that

1612
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 2: they're gonna be like that defensively where they're they're kind

1613
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 2: of just not really doing what plays to their straints

1614
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 2: and their personnel. Fangio's and have that group well coached,

1615
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 2: and they got tons of talent on that side of

1616
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 2: the football. I think the Dolphins are are a really

1617
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 2: good roster and now the question ultimately is are they

1618
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 2: going to be a really good, really well coached team

1619
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 2: to the point where the ship is pointed in the

1620
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 2: right direction for them on both sides.

1621
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 1: That's truit one other thing I'd say about the Dolphins,

1622
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 1: and I think this is something that's done them in

1623
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Their roster looks really nice

1624
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 1: at the top, and you talk about not getting the

1625
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 1: most out of the personnel, I think it's because guys

1626
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: get hurt. They've never had a ton of depth. Yeah,

1627
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 1: they seem to be a team that they lose one

1628
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: guy and it changes.

1629
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 2: So they addressed that on defense a little bit with

1630
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 2: Kim Smith, a little bit with who they drafted, Cam Smith. Yeah,

1631
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 2: so now they have more cornerback depth.

1632
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: I think that helps. So but even you know, we'll

1633
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: see they're trying to add to Alvin Cook, right, but

1634
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 1: like it running back, they're not super deep. I know,

1635
01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: we think of their wide receiver room as being loaded

1636
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 1: kind of drops off after Tyre Hill and Jalen Waddle.

1637
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Braxon Barrios is like slotted as the

1638
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 2: I mean, their.

1639
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:11,759
Speaker 1: Next couple of guys are Braxton Barrios chosen and Anderson.

1640
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,440
Speaker 1: Why can't I think of his name Robbie Anderson. Yeah,

1641
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 1: River Craycraft, which is an absurd name. Cedric Wilson Junior

1642
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: like Wi but that's not when you're trying to replace.

1643
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 1: I think Kendrick Burn's better. You know, their tight end

1644
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 1: room isn't great. So I think the one thing with

1645
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: them is injuries. That's what It's what cuffed them last

1646
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 1: year and Mike McDaniel being a bad coach, not able

1647
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 1: to call a play. The other thing they they that

1648
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 1: they did that I like is they have much better

1649
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: to insurance this time around. Like Mike White's a legitimate

1650
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback. I don't know that he's a guy you're

1651
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 1: building a team around. I don't think he's a starter.

1652
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: But if Mike White he's a guy, I feel a

1653
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 1: lot better about. You know, Skyler Thompson you had to

1654
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 1: throw in there for a couple of games. Don't feel

1655
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: great about Brett and who else was it last year?

1656
01:18:58,479 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridge?

1657
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 2: I like Teddy more than Mike White.

1658
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 1: But I do, I kind of do. But Teddy gets

1659
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 1: hurt a lot, and that's the one thing I don't want.

1660
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: I want my backup quarterback to be willing to play

1661
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 1: through anything. So if if if Mike White has to

1662
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: start five or six games, I think they're in pretty

1663
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 1: good shape. Yeah, I think they're in pretty good shape

1664
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 1: if that has to happen. But normally it's depth on defense,

1665
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: Like you said, I think they they did a good

1666
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: job of addressing that this offseason, but the depth on

1667
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: the offense is kind of questionable. It's a skilled position players,

1668
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: so in.

1669
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 2: You know, just to poke holes in Miami because we

1670
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 2: love to do that here. Yeah, their offensive line still

1671
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 2: has outside of Tron Armstead, their tackle situations a little

1672
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 2: bit thin. I mean they have is a Win right

1673
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 2: who could actually play for them right? Right?

1674
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: So there they're tackles. I'm just gonna read them all

1675
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: off here. I can go through lest left and right,

1676
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 1: Toront Armstead, Darn Christian, Ryan Hayes, a rookie, Austin Jackson,

1677
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 1: Kendall Lamb, Cedric o'beggy. I think is how you pronounce that,

1678
01:19:56,200 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 1: Keon Smith, James Turned Tunstall, and Isaiah Win.

1679
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 2: So Austin Jackson is kind of their Isaiah Win like

1680
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:05,679
Speaker 2: he was a high, highly drafted guy that hasn't really

1681
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 2: panned out. He's better than Isaiah Win, I think just

1682
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 2: in terms of availability, but he's a similar guy that

1683
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 2: has a lot of talent that hasn't really lived up

1684
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 2: to the potential. I still think that they're gonna be

1685
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 2: okay at the on the line because McDaniel the one

1686
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,679
Speaker 2: thing that you can truly say about the Shanahan scheme

1687
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 2: is that it does protect the offensive line quite a

1688
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 2: bit because they move the pocket, they play action, they

1689
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 2: rpo like, they do a lot of those little gimmicks

1690
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 2: to protect the line. And they have Armstead who's one

1691
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 2: of the best tackles in the league. So I think

1692
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 2: that they'll be all right. But they're still in the

1693
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 2: same spot that I think the Dolphins have been in

1694
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 2: a lot of the last couple of years. I think

1695
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 2: we're on the same page with this. Their top end

1696
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,719
Speaker 2: talent is great. They've always had good top end talent.

1697
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,719
Speaker 2: It seems like they've always been other than the few

1698
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 2: pockets down really down years that they've had as an

1699
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,759
Speaker 2: organization over the last twenty years or so. We mentioned

1700
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 2: the early two thousands Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas Dolphins. That

1701
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 2: team had top end talent. This team has top end talent.

1702
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 2: It's gonna be depth, and it's gonna be coaching. And

1703
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 2: I still the Patriots beat them last year with Skyler

1704
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 2: Thompson and Teddy Bridgewater. That wasn't a true straight up game.

1705
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 2: I hate it. I hate that this is a thing.

1706
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 2: The Patriots still haven't beaten. Tua right, like, no, So

1707
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 2: how concerned are I don't know if concern is the

1708
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 2: right word, But how do you see those two games

1709
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 2: this year playing out? Like is this the year that

1710
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 2: they could finally play too? They're gonna play too, I

1711
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 2: would think, right in Week two. I mean it would

1712
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 2: have to take a really a week one injury to

1713
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 2: Tua to not face him in the second week of

1714
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 2: the season, which with him, I guess is theoretically possible,

1715
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 2: but I hope not for his sake because that would

1716
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 2: be scary. So Week two they're probably going to play

1717
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 2: the Tula Dolphins, not the Mike White Dolphins.

1718
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think. So, you know it is Tyreek

1719
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 1: Kill gonna play they If they don't have Tyreek Kill,

1720
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: the Patriot should.

1721
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 2: Be He's gonna be fine. This is like, this is

1722
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 2: a this is an next or money grab thing that's

1723
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 2: going on in my.

1724
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: Own The one other problem, honestly, I think the Patriots,

1725
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 1: even if they have Tyreek Hill, can handle that Dolphins

1726
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: offense the way they're built now, it's Bradley Chubb, Jalen Phillips,

1727
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 1: those guys coming off the edge against the current tackle group.

1728
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 1: That's gonna be the Patriots biggest nightmare.

1729
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was on a podcast yesterday. I don't

1730
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 2: know when he's gonna post it with Travis Wingfield, who's

1731
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 2: like my equivalent for the Dolphins for Dolphins dot Com,

1732
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 2: and he they're really high on Jalen Phillips down there,

1733
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 2: you know. They they really think that he's a breakout

1734
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 2: star candidate, a guy that's gonna take that next step

1735
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 2: if he does take the step that they think. It

1736
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 2: reminds me a little bit of like how we were

1737
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 2: talking about Christian Barmore coming into your two right, Like,

1738
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 2: this guy's gonna be a Pro Bowl caliber talent this

1739
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 2: year for us. If that's what ends up happening with

1740
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:50,679
Speaker 2: Jalen Phillips, with him and Bradley Chubb and then Wilkins

1741
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 2: in the middle, you can't with Wilkins. Wilkins is a

1742
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 2: problem in his own right. How do you You're gonna

1743
01:22:57,479 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 2: have some one on ones on the outside, I guess

1744
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 2: is my point with those two guys. And those two

1745
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 2: guys can both get after the quarterback. So if I'm

1746
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 2: the Patriots and looking at it with the Dolphins, I'm

1747
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 2: with you that that seems to be I almost would

1748
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,799
Speaker 2: venture to say that that's a bigger fear than Tyreek

1749
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 2: Hill and Jalen Wattle is how are you going to

1750
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 2: block their front and how are you going to prevent

1751
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 2: the front from taking.

1752
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 1: Over the way the Patriots. I don't know that that's

1753
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 1: going to be every team's biggest fear we're facing the Dolphins,

1754
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 1: but for the Patriots it absolutely is.

1755
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 2: So where do you see the Dolphins finishing? Wait, do

1756
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 2: you have it?

1757
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 1: I don't know where they last year?

1758
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:32,799
Speaker 2: Uh, they well, they made they made the playoffs.

1759
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 1: They did make were I think probably nine and eight,

1760
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 1: ten and seven somewhere. If if they get a full

1761
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 1: season out of Toua.

1762
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 2: What do you think about your boy Tua? I don't

1763
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 2: know if he's necessarily your boy.

1764
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: No. I liked Tua coming out. I My take on

1765
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 1: two has really never changed as long as he's been

1766
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Everybody talks about him having a weak

1767
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 1: arm and not being able to throw down the field. Yeah,

1768
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 1: you didn't watch him in Alabama if you say that.

1769
01:23:56,600 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 1: He was one of the best deep ball throwers so

1770
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in the call at the college level.

1771
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 1: And then in his last college game he suffered a

1772
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: very very serious hip injury. Basically the Bo Jackson injury,

1773
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: and he completely had he had to relearn how to

1774
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 1: throw a football. And I mean when you throw something football, baseball, whatever, right, Yeah,

1775
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 1: so much of it is hips Dak Prescott. That's where

1776
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: you generate your power, right, And I just don't think

1777
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: he's ever fully recovered from that injury, and he's kind

1778
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: of had to relearn how to play the game. Yeah,

1779
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 1: And so that's that's how you get a guy that

1780
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 1: at times there's flashes of brilliance, but there's seeming you know,

1781
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 1: I feel other times you watch him, you think, how

1782
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: is this guy ever considered being a first overall?

1783
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 2: Bit?

1784
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's never been physically This isn't a he didn't

1785
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: have the talent thing. He's never physically in the NFL

1786
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 1: been the guy I remember watching at Alabama. He's never

1787
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 1: gotten to that point. And what can you do about it?

1788
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: He suffered a terrible injury, but I just if he

1789
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: hasn't worked through that. Now now they've done a tremendous

1790
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: job of because he's not the player they drafted, he's

1791
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 1: not the guy they thought they were getting. They've done

1792
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 1: a tremendous job of pivoting and basically all right, Well,

1793
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: this guy can can't throw a deep anymore, but he

1794
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 1: can throw a really accurate five yard slant. He can

1795
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: run the RPO super Well, let's load up on fast

1796
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 1: yat guys. Yeah, you talk about building an offense for

1797
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,639
Speaker 1: your quarterback, Taylor. We talked about this with Mac Jones

1798
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: a lot, Right, How can the Patriots not just add

1799
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:28,839
Speaker 1: talent around Mac Jones but emphasize his skills? The Dolphins

1800
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 1: have done a tremendous job of adjusting and putting players

1801
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: around to that maximize what he does best. Now, I

1802
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: just think there's a part of him that wants to

1803
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: be the guy he was at Alabama. I don't blame

1804
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 1: him for that, that he's just never gonna be that

1805
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 1: guy again because I don't think he can physically.

1806
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 2: Get Yeah, honestly, I feel for him, and I I

1807
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:46,720
Speaker 2: was a Patriots fan. Like, you're kind of happy that

1808
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 2: he didn't turn out to be Justin Herbert, right, Like

1809
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 2: if they had drafted Justin Herbert and said it to it, then.

1810
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 1: Whenmember he was supposed to get drafted over Joe Burrow, Yeah,

1811
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: that was the conversation.

1812
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, and it wasn't insane conversation at the time. No,

1813
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 2: and so I think you're happy that it didn't turn

1814
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 2: out this way. But I feel for Tua because I

1815
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,719
Speaker 2: don't know if it's just because I know the injury

1816
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 2: and how serious it was. I think also partially the

1817
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 2: fact that he's a lefty, like it just kind of

1818
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 2: looks weird.

1819
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 1: I mean, if you watch the video of that flipped

1820
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: his throwing motion looks so much better.

1821
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 2: At the same time, though, doesn't it kind of look

1822
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,520
Speaker 2: like it's hurts for him to throw the football sometimes?

1823
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 2: Like I feel like it looks That's what I'm saying.

1824
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 2: It looks like it legitimately hurts.

1825
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: But I think he when he wants to really unquirk one,

1826
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 1: I think he has to overextend himself. Yeah, and again

1827
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:39,640
Speaker 1: you're not wrong in that, And that's why people sit

1828
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 1: here and say, oh, he's got a weak arm, he's

1829
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 1: got noodle alarm. That was at Alabama. He's putting it

1830
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 1: sixty yards easy.

1831
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1832
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 1: So it's it's just the injury completely changed the way, right.

1833
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 2: But I look at Tua and and maybe you disagree,

1834
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 2: but I look at Tua's arm talent and what he's

1835
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 2: good at throwing and say that it's not all that

1836
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 2: differ from Mac Jones, where I think both of them

1837
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:07,600
Speaker 2: can still throw a pretty deep ball. And what I

1838
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:10,679
Speaker 2: mean by deep ball is like the touch rainbow throws

1839
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 2: right like the true step into it and throw it

1840
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 2: up there and arc it up there. The throws that

1841
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 2: I would I am concerned with Tuo, which similar to

1842
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 2: the Mac, are the real drive throws, Like can he

1843
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 2: can he hit a twenty five yard post and just

1844
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 2: like stick his foot in the ground and throw it

1845
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:30,560
Speaker 2: on the line. Can he make it, you know, a

1846
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 2: far hash out to the sideline on a fifteen yard

1847
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 2: out like those types of throws. Those are when the

1848
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,719
Speaker 2: ball kind of hangs up on him. I still think,

1849
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 2: And and part of this is obviously because he's throwing

1850
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 2: to Tyreek, and so Tyreek is so open that it

1851
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:50,639
Speaker 2: allows for that margin of era. But I still think

1852
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,600
Speaker 2: he can throw a deep ball. But he can't. What

1853
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 2: he can't do is he can't drive the football right

1854
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 2: at Alabama, he could do both right now, he can't

1855
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 2: do either. So I actually look at him and Mack

1856
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 2: and they kind of have a similar arm talent and

1857
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:05,639
Speaker 2: like sort of flaws in the way throw the football at.

1858
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 1: This now they do and that's it. They didn't at

1859
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 1: at Alabama, which is I think why there's such a

1860
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: difference in perception. Yeah, which I would encourage people. I know,

1861
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: we all like to hate on to it and whatever.

1862
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 1: If you never really watched him at Alabama, you want

1863
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 1: to see some awesome because he was unique. Like it

1864
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 1: was like, this guy's doing stuff that you know at

1865
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 1: his size to play the way he was playing hadn't

1866
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 1: really been done.

1867
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 2: Right because like the comps are were from a cerebral

1868
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 2: pocket movie, like a lot of people used would say

1869
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:35,599
Speaker 2: Drew Brees, but I think he had better arm talent

1870
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 2: than he and.

1871
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 1: He moved so much like as a runner. He could

1872
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 1: contribute as a runner, which he doesn't do anymore because

1873
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 1: I think he's worried about getting hurt again. If you

1874
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 1: want to see some really fun quarterback play, go watch that.

1875
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 1: That to a season at Alabama. That's that's some of

1876
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 1: the best college quarterback play I've seen in the last

1877
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 1: decade or so. He was a really special player, And

1878
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: it just sucks he did. It's part of football, but

1879
01:28:58,240 --> 01:28:59,839
Speaker 1: it sucks he had to deal with that injury.

1880
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 2: All right, So there's your Miami Dolphins preview.

1881
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:02,720
Speaker 1: We'll do.

1882
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 2: Let's do the We'll do the Jets next week because

1883
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 2: I have some takes about this Jets team. I don't

1884
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 2: know if j I don't know if I'm a believer

1885
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 2: as much in the Jets as some other people are.

1886
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:14,759
Speaker 2: We'll get to the Jets next week, but really quickly,

1887
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 2: before we sign off, we have to talk about Marcus

1888
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 2: Smart for like five minutes. All right, really quickly. You

1889
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 2: and I have not believe it or not. You and

1890
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 2: I I don't think have disagreed more on a sports

1891
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 2: thing then we disagree on Marcus Smart like this, I

1892
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 2: think might be our unlayer.

1893
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 1: I mean, you hate golf, but on an individual player, on.

1894
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 2: An individual player, I don't think we have ever disagreed

1895
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 2: on an individual player more than we do on Marcus Smart.

1896
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so don't get it. You don't get you don't

1897
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: know ball.

1898
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 2: It's fine, right, How do you? How are you feeling today? Alex?

1899
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 2: Are you okay?

1900
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 1: I don't want it, I don't love it?

1901
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:58,639
Speaker 2: Are you in a pint of Ben and Jerry.

1902
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 1: Put the emotional attachment to Marcus smartestie, Why why do

1903
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 1: you have emotional attack because that guy? Because in a

1904
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 1: league that has become so increasingly soft in the league

1905
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 1: that has become so increasingly soft. That guy still plays

1906
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 1: the right way.

1907
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 2: He plays physical for every single Celtics fan, every single

1908
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 2: person in this town. And this is gonna get me

1909
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 2: fired up, because every single person in this town has

1910
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:28,599
Speaker 2: told me that the Celtics don't have a clutch team.

1911
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 2: They don't have any balls, They get pushed around, they

1912
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 2: don't rise up to the in Seoul.

1913
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 1: Is Marcus the guy who is close to that. Here's

1914
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 1: the thing. Does he have it? But the whole team doesn't?

1915
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: If he's the leader of the team, I because he's

1916
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,680
Speaker 1: not the best player on the team. I And I

1917
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 1: think his voice got drowned out of times. I think

1918
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 1: it got drowned out. Yes, I like basketball players that

1919
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 1: play like football players. Just have that, Okay. Marcus Smart

1920
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,440
Speaker 1: was a strong safety on the basketball court. There's a

1921
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: March Madness game from twenty seventeen between Florida State and

1922
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 1: Florida Gulf Coast.

1923
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,959
Speaker 2: There were what is this having to do with Marcus Smart?

1924
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 1: There were forty five fouls called in that game, and

1925
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 1: probably another forty five that should have been called it weren't.

1926
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 1: That is my favorite basketball game of all time. How

1927
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 1: are you gonna sit here and wonder how I like

1928
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 1: Marcus Smart. I like a guy with some edge play.

1929
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: How many remember that game against the Rockets that it

1930
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 1: went to overtime and he basically just got in James

1931
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 1: Harden's grill and James Harden couldn't take it. The more

1932
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 1: we go on, the more of those soft mentality don't

1933
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 1: want it because they're like, dude, I'm trying to inbound

1934
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 1: the ball, what are you bumping me? Marcus Smart plays

1935
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 1: a full forty eight minutes. That's what he does. The

1936
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 1: Celtics team doesn't always do that well, dude, And I

1937
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 1: mean sometimes people got annoyed at Mark Well because I

1938
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 1: think his teammates got annoyed that he did it because

1939
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,799
Speaker 1: it made them look bad at times. Throw the emotional

1940
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 1: attachment to Marcus Smart out of it, yeah, Marcus Smart.

1941
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 1: And look, I think ultimately the people who hated Marcus

1942
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 1: Smart underrated him. The people who loved Marcus Smart over

1943
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 1: eas I think he honestly sat somewhere in the middle.

1944
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 1: But this was a guy that was recently Defensive Player

1945
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 1: of the Year of God, the same guy he was

1946
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 1: recently a Defensive Player of the Year. He was a

1947
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 1: guy that put up I think was eighteen six and

1948
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 1: five in the playoffs. Yeah, you can get more for

1949
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 1: that player, regardless of who he is. All I don't

1950
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 1: want to hear they got to first for him. They

1951
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: got one first, which is the Warriors, so that's nothing,

1952
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 1: and the other first didn't really get They moved up

1953
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:29,640
Speaker 1: from thirty five to twenty five, which is getting misdraft.

1954
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 2: He's getting misconstrued like right, it was a pixel, so

1955
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 2: it wasn't a.

1956
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 1: Could they get And yes, they also got Porzingis. But

1957
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 1: what I would say is can they get could they

1958
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: have got two? Could they have gotten for Zingis without

1959
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 1: getting Marcus? Why did they need the picks? Could you

1960
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:49,559
Speaker 1: just leave the picks alone and put on you know.

1961
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,680
Speaker 2: So here. So here's the thing, here's my response to that,

1962
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 2: because I there is an emotional attachment to Marcus Myer.

1963
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 2: I was only teasing you. He was He's been on

1964
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 2: the team for nine years, he bleds, he loves Boston.

1965
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:06,719
Speaker 2: He played, Yeah, he played like a Celtic. Yes, he

1966
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 2: played like a Celtic, and as a Celtics fan. I

1967
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 2: so I last night went to bed, this was all

1968
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 2: still going on. So I was one of those people

1969
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 2: that woke up to the trade this morning. And I

1970
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 2: woke up, looked at my phone, saw like thirty texts

1971
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 2: from me. I saw thirty texts from you, saw the

1972
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 2: woj bomb tweets because I still I have notifications on

1973
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 2: on my phone. And I got out of bed and

1974
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 2: I was just sitting there for a second at the

1975
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 2: end of the bed. We have like a little little

1976
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 2: stool there at the end. I was just sitting very

1977
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:41,960
Speaker 2: fancy and h and Jessica's like, what's wrong, Like, are

1978
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 2: you okay? I was like, the Celtics trade Marcus Smart

1979
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 2: and she just goes oh, and I was like yeah,

1980
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 2: and she was like are you Are you all right?

1981
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 2: Are you gonna Are you gonna be okay? And I

1982
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 2: was like, I don't really know. I don't know how

1983
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 2: to feel about this. And I felt that way as somebody.

1984
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 1: That you know, you don't like it. I don't like.

1985
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 2: Marcus Smart, but as a Celtics fan, and as as

1986
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:10,679
Speaker 2: somebody that that is a true Green teamer and bleeds Green.

1987
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:14,680
Speaker 2: I wept for this trade a little bit. You had to.

1988
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 2: This was one of those trades where you had to

1989
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 2: mourn it for a second before you reacted to it

1990
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 2: as a basketball but.

1991
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,680
Speaker 1: I still even with that. And look, I've seen some

1992
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:24,559
Speaker 1: people compare it to the Nomar trade, which is we

1993
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:26,559
Speaker 1: all hated seeing Nomar go, but they had to do it.

1994
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I don't remember. Think it's that I

1995
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 2: don't remember Nomar ever being hated like Marcus, you know what.

1996
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 1: It reminds me of. It kind of reminds me of

1997
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:36,840
Speaker 1: the Bruins letting Bruce Cassidy go.

1998
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:40,759
Speaker 2: Okay, so here, So here's my my big thing for you. Yeah,

1999
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 2: you have been texted. I've been team stay the course. Yes, right,

2000
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 2: Like the guys, they'll mature, they'll develop. Tatum's still young.

2001
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 2: Like he once he hits his age twenty seven season,

2002
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 2: that's when it's really time to start to put pressure

2003
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 2: on him to win a championship. So I've been teams

2004
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 2: stay the course. You I've been telling me that you

2005
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:05,280
Speaker 2: turn into the Boston Bruins if you just stay the course.

2006
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 2: So trading Mark is smart. But trading Mark is smart

2007
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 2: should be good, right because they.

2008
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 1: Know because obviously that comes with me is not because

2009
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:16,680
Speaker 1: I think obviously there's the understanding that when you make

2010
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 1: the trade, you're gonna be a better team after you

2011
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 1: make the trade. You're gonna trade players for what they're worth,

2012
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:23,720
Speaker 1: not less. Are the Celtics a better worst basketball team

2013
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:24,879
Speaker 1: today than they were yesterday?

2014
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 2: I think right at this present moment they're worse, right,

2015
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 2: But I think that I see the path that if

2016
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:33,520
Speaker 2: they add another ball handler that they're gonna.

2017
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: Be How how are they adding a ball handler? They

2018
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 1: added two worthless picks and they traded two of their

2019
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:41,679
Speaker 1: best tradable contracts. Basically, they have to nail trading Grant Williams. Yeah,

2020
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:43,960
Speaker 1: that's what it comes down to. They can't do anything

2021
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,479
Speaker 1: better than highway robbery trading Graham. If they do that,

2022
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 1: great And for all the people saying, Chris Paul, you

2023
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 1: got traded during the.

2024
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:51,559
Speaker 2: Show made Yeah for Jordan Poole.

2025
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are just trying to trade to Jordan Poole. Yeah.

2026
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:57,880
Speaker 1: I I they are worse, and honestly, they might be

2027
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 1: better in the long term. I don't really care about

2028
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 1: the long term. Win a title, so my title right now.

2029
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: Here's the thing though, here's why I really so. Once

2030
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 1: I I recovered this morning, yeah, and once I once

2031
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 1: I I went and got some coffee and and and uh,

2032
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:15,720
Speaker 1: you know, got got my mind my mind off the

2033
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:17,880
Speaker 1: fact that that Marcus Smart is no longer a Celtic.

2034
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I actually don't mind moving on from

2035
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 2: Marcus Smart, and I don't mind acquiring kristaps Porzingis. I

2036
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:30,680
Speaker 2: just don't like how we got here, right, That's what

2037
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:35,400
Speaker 2: it is. No, because I had kristaves Porzingis for Malcolm Brogden.

2038
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 1: Right exactly, which was a great trade.

2039
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 2: But now but now we had to throw in Marcus Smart.

2040
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 2: So the optics of of the steps that it took

2041
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 2: to get kristaps Porzingis are ugly for this, but.

2042
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:48,640
Speaker 1: I think it goes beyond optics. Did they need to

2043
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 1: give up Marcus Smart? Was there?

2044
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:50,599
Speaker 3: Way?

2045
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: Call it? And they would need to add more money?

2046
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:55,559
Speaker 1: So call it like Peyton Pritchard.

2047
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

2048
01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 1: They obviously dealt Gallo and Muscala, and I don't know,

2049
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 1: maybe maybe this is where this is where I would

2050
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 1: have done the Grant Williams sine of trade. Yeah, try

2051
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 1: to and just or just use a trade exception or something.

2052
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 1: They didn't need those picks. I don't see how those picks. Okay, Okay,

2053
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,760
Speaker 1: so here's so, can you do that trade without giving

2054
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 1: up Marcus Smart? I believe the answer is yes if

2055
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 1: you are okay with not getting the picks, which I

2056
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 1: would be very okay.

2057
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 2: Okay, So here, so here's two more things about this Christaps,

2058
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 2: I actually really like adding.

2059
01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 1: I liked it better and it was for Brogden because

2060
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 1: the one knock on him as the injuries, And for

2061
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:32,760
Speaker 1: me it was you're trading an injured guy for an

2062
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 1: injured guy. Great, he's gotta play. He year, he played

2063
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 1: through a lot though. Okay, So here's the thing with

2064
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 1: with why I love Kristaps though this. First of all,

2065
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 1: it's great, like I think their roster is is more

2066
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 1: spread out in terms of the death. Now he's a

2067
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:51,760
Speaker 1: great fit with Tatum too. And so now that you

2068
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 1: know Al's like one hundred years old, I'm not sure

2069
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:56,559
Speaker 1: Al comes back. Rob wall that's the guy you trade

2070
01:37:56,560 --> 01:38:01,840
Speaker 1: Al Williams, Peyton Pritchard, Mike Muscala, Danila for Christoph sporzingis

2071
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:02,800
Speaker 1: forget the picks.

2072
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,639
Speaker 2: I don't know if they would have done it anyways, Yeah,

2073
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 2: should have done it. Al Horford is on hundred years old.

2074
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:10,800
Speaker 2: You can't count on Rob Williams. So this gives you

2075
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 2: another big If they're all healthy, you can play two

2076
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 2: big lineups. If they're not all healthy, then at least

2077
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,840
Speaker 2: you still have one big probably out of those three

2078
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:20,600
Speaker 2: that's healthy enough to play. The other thing is is

2079
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 2: that I have really felt like this Celtics team has

2080
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 2: missed the pick and roll two man game at the

2081
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:30,760
Speaker 2: top of the key. And they Rob can run, you know,

2082
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 2: can rim run, right, he can catch the lob, Al

2083
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 2: can pick and pop. But neither one of those guys

2084
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 2: is like a dynamic scorer that when Tatum comes off

2085
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 2: the screen, the defense has to react in some sort

2086
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 2: of way that's not just trapping Tatum and getting him

2087
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 2: to pass up the football. The basketball. Now with perzingis

2088
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 2: this is the guy who scored twenty five four points

2089
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:52,920
Speaker 2: a game, like he can.

2090
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:54,680
Speaker 1: Actually score in the ball. He was one of the

2091
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 1: and I hate using the metrics, but according to the metrics,

2092
01:38:57,120 --> 01:38:59,639
Speaker 1: he was one of the elite screen players in the league. Right,

2093
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 1: Get that.

2094
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:03,919
Speaker 2: It's not just pick and pop to the three point line.

2095
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:06,639
Speaker 2: He can catch the ball at the free throw line,

2096
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 2: score the basketball from there, whether it's inside, taking a

2097
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 2: little jump shot, whatever the case may be, and that

2098
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 2: type of offense. Adding the pick and roll game and

2099
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 2: adding like that little two man off of each other.

2100
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 2: Type of offense gives them like something to hang their

2101
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 2: hat on, like this is good, Like we can do

2102
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 2: this every time down and get points.

2103
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 1: Porzingis has to stay healthy for that to happen.

2104
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2105
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 1: The other thing I would add is there you talk

2106
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:33,880
Speaker 1: before about like Marcus Smart didn't know his role on

2107
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:35,800
Speaker 1: the team and all of that. Yeah, and maybe the

2108
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 1: Jays were mad he was taking too many shots. Fine,

2109
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 1: Christops Porzingis is a guy that should get shots. Yeah,

2110
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:46,639
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum. Really, Jalen Brown has to know he's going

2111
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 1: to get less shots with christ He should be taking

2112
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:52,040
Speaker 1: less shots with Christoph Sportsingers on the team. Specifically, he

2113
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:55,160
Speaker 1: should be taking less threes with christophs Sporzingis on team.

2114
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:56,479
Speaker 1: He needs to be a guy now that is full

2115
01:39:56,520 --> 01:40:00,599
Speaker 1: on attacking the basket right because christophs porzingis six to three,

2116
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 1: but he's a perimeter shooter. The beauty of that seven

2117
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 1: to three, the beauty of that is you take the

2118
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 1: other team's best big defender and pull him out of paint.

2119
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:10,680
Speaker 1: Somebody has to capitalize on that. That has to be

2120
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 1: Jalen Brown. Honestly, you know I'm not a big Jalen

2121
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 1: Brown guy. He's at his best. When I love him

2122
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,720
Speaker 1: is when he gets the ball, jab step and just

2123
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:21,639
Speaker 1: goes to the basket because he's so much stronger than

2124
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 1: everybody else. But he seems to hate doing that. He

2125
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:25,640
Speaker 1: wants to be a Poland pop guy. He wants to

2126
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 1: be Tatum. He just wants to shoot threes. Jalen Brown

2127
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:30,840
Speaker 1: needs to be a downhill player this year for this

2128
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:32,880
Speaker 1: team to hit it ceiling. He needs to. He can

2129
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 1: shoot threes when he's open, but he needs I'm just

2130
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:37,400
Speaker 1: attacking the basket for this team.

2131
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 2: To maximum, and we should rap because this is not

2132
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:43,479
Speaker 2: a Celtics podcast. But I think that what's what's really

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Speaker 2: what I like about Porzingis the most is that I

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Speaker 2: do think it makes them more efficient in the half court.

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Speaker 2: Like I think that they now have a hat, they

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Speaker 2: have sets that they can run with Porzingis involved, where

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Speaker 2: they they can actually play a little bit of complimentary

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Speaker 2: basketball and it's not that five out just chuck threes

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Speaker 2: and hope good things happen type of offense. They should

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Speaker 2: be more consistent on offense with Porzingis in the mix.

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Speaker 2: But it was sad. It was sad to wake up

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Speaker 2: to that. Mainly shocking, just because I don't think that

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Speaker 2: that was not the initial trade at all. Now is

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Speaker 2: not the initial framework of the trade, but it was.

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Speaker 2: It was sad to see Marcus Marco this morning. Is

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Speaker 2: a good Celtic. I don't know what the Warriors are doing.

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Speaker 2: They're whatever, trading for for Chris Paul, for Jordan Poole.

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Speaker 2: It seems like a weird move. But basketball hot stove

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Speaker 2: is heating up, as they say. But we will be

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Speaker 2: back next week here on Cash twenty two. We'll continue

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Speaker 2: monitoring all the news with Jack Jones and DeAndre Hopkins,

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Speaker 2: and we'll get into some more AFC's preview. But until then,

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Speaker 2: signing off for Alex Bartha, Evan Lazar. Thanks for watching,

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