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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Killer suspects cuffed Jocelyn just twelve years old, lured from

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Speaker 2: a local seven to eleven, found strangled and unclothed, tied

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Speaker 2: up in a creek. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Bombshell in the last hours, two persons of interest detained

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Speaker 3: in a twelve year old girl's brutal strangling.

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Speaker 1: What do we know? Take a listen to the chief.

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Speaker 4: We're here to share some very horrible news. Someone has

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Speaker 4: taken one of our innocent children Promus today. A twelve

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Speaker 4: year old little girl found her this morning and we

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Speaker 4: believe somebody did this horrible thing to her, and we

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Speaker 4: are here to ask for your help.

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Speaker 5: I'm like angry that they just six wood had been

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Speaker 5: It's a curve.

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Speaker 1: She's so young, so you'd take my baby away? Now,

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Speaker 1: I get too, little brother. Nole's just say that we.

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Speaker 2: Can hold that emotional video of Joson's mother from our

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Speaker 2: friends Akhou.

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Speaker 1: It all started when we heard this.

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Speaker 4: Listen to find out if anybody knows anything, anybody saw anything,

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Speaker 4: Anybody can share that information so we can figure out

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Speaker 4: what happened to her exactly and we can find whoever

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Speaker 4: did this and get them off the street. I've talked

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Speaker 4: to this child's mother, of course, she is devastated. Her

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Speaker 4: family is devastating. Her little girl is gone. So we

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Speaker 4: need your help.

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Speaker 1: This little girl goes to bed.

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Speaker 2: My mommy goes to bed, a twelve year old little girl, Jocelyn.

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Speaker 2: Then she sneaks out for what to go about a

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Speaker 2: block to the seven to eleven and call her little boyfriend.

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Speaker 2: That's it, just a phone call. She never came home.

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Speaker 2: This is what more we know.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to talk to you about an incident that

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Speaker 6: happened around six am this morning. A citizen called nine

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Speaker 6: to one one regarding a body seen in the shallow

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Speaker 6: water of the Bayou your four hundred West Brancolin Road

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Speaker 6: in the Houston's Northfelt area. Houston's Homicide Division, along with

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Speaker 6: the assistants of the Houston Department's dive team in the

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Speaker 6: Harris County Medical Examiner's Office, we're able to recover that

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Speaker 6: body out of the shallow water there. Harris County's Medical

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Speaker 6: Examiner's Office is completing an official identification of the victim.

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Speaker 2: That little twelve year old girl has been murdered and

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Speaker 2: we believe raped by who. According to police, two illegal

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Speaker 2: immigrants also known as non citizen migrants, one of them

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Speaker 2: allegedly cutting off his ankle monitor after the murder. That's right,

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Speaker 2: let that sink in. One of them cutting off his

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Speaker 2: criminal ankle monitor after the twelve year old little girl

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Speaker 2: is murdered. So at the time, this little girl is stripped,

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Speaker 2: tied up, kept under a bridge, being tortured for two hours,

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Speaker 2: lured away from that payphone by these two. There's no

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Speaker 2: other way to say it, animals, he's wearing an ankle monitor.

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Speaker 1: He's already committed a crime.

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Speaker 2: There she is, thinking she's on a real adventure, sneaking

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Speaker 2: to a payphone to call her little thirteen year old

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Speaker 2: boyfriend to say good night. In the background, the little

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Speaker 1: There they are who walks.

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Speaker 2: Up to a little twelve year old girl, lures her

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Speaker 2: away only to rape and strangle her, strip her under

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Speaker 1: These two, that's who, why are they even here?

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Speaker 2: Joining me in all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now?

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Speaker 1: But have any of you had it with.

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Speaker 2: Violent crime, especially on children, much less by illegal immigrants

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Speaker 2: that are not supposed to be here anyway. Why why

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Speaker 2: are they here? Why are they lurking around unapprehended? And

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Speaker 2: now this little girl is dead again? Joining me in

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Speaker 2: All Star panel, but first to Coraley Peel, investigative reporter

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Speaker 2: kp RC two in Houston. Thank you for being with us. Cory,

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Speaker 2: start at the beginning, Go ahead.

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Speaker 7: Thank you so much Nancy for having me. This tragic

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Speaker 7: story starts when Alexis Nungray tucked her twelve year old

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Speaker 7: daughter Alexis in bed Sunday night. Last Sunday. She was

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Speaker 7: so she said everything was normal, nothing seemed unusual. She

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Speaker 7: when she pings her phone, it takes her to the

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Speaker 2: Corly Peel, that is every appearance worst nightmare, because when

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Speaker 2: I can't find the twins, my children. I just go

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Speaker 1: And I'm just imagining this mom.

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Speaker 2: And it was really early in the morning, and Jocelyn,

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Speaker 2: the twelve year old little girl, was going with mommy

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Speaker 2: You gotta get up early because you're going to work

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Speaker 1: This is what we know. Listen.

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Speaker 8: Joscelyn Nungary is a helpful, bright, funny girl. At twelve

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Speaker 8: and at school, she's one of the most popular. On

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Speaker 8: Sunday night, Jocelyn's mother, Alexis Nungary, reminds her not to

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Speaker 8: A little after ten PM, when she is certain her

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Speaker 8: goes to a local convenience store. It's around midnight when

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Speaker 8: she calls her thirteen year old boyfriend, who says he

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Speaker 1: Joining me.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall Renow psychoanalyst, joining us from LA. You

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Speaker 2: can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've.

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Speaker 2: Actually heard people horrible, people attacking the little girl and

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Speaker 2: the mom. It was a couple of blocks away. For

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Speaker 2: what is she out dealing drugs? Is she out hoaring around?

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Speaker 2: good night to the little boyfriend who's just thirteen, and

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Speaker 2: he's at home with his parents. That's it, And some

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Speaker 2: people have actually vilified it. You know, a lot of

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Speaker 2: people not me, because I was afraid that I wasn't

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Speaker 1: I was afraid they be disappointed in me.

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Speaker 2: I never snuck out, but I can't say the same

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Speaker 2: Will people do anything, come up with anything, fabricate anything

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Speaker 2: do it, because it isolates them from a crime like

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Speaker 2: that'll never happen to me and my child. But this

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Speaker 2: is a twelve year old little girl who was about

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Speaker 5: Nancy. People are saying all kinds of horrible things, like

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Speaker 5: why did the mother go to bed before her daughter

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Speaker 5: went to bed, Why did the little girl sleep sneak

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Speaker 5: out of the window, why did she have a boyfriend?

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Speaker 5: To put this in context, Nancy, by the time children

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Speaker 5: are twelve years old, they are beginning a developmental trajectory

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Speaker 5: where they will start to distance themselves from their parents

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Speaker 5: sometimes and start to cling to their peers. They're preparing

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Speaker 5: to leave home when they're seventeen, eighteen, or nineteen. It's

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Speaker 5: how their brains are developing and growing. So that's why

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Speaker 5: you see them always wanting to play video games with

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Speaker 5: other people, or talk on the phone with their friends,

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Speaker 5: or look on social media. It's because their brains are

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Speaker 5: programmed to do that. All she wanted to do was

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Speaker 5: say good night to her little boyfriend. This is a

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Speaker 5: twelve year old child who was doing what twelve year

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's this little girl sneaks out of the house

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Speaker 2: to call the little boyfriend on her cell.

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Speaker 1: She never makes it home.

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Speaker 2: kp RC two. Where was the mom working? Why was

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Speaker 2: little Joscelyn going with mom to work the next morning?

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Speaker 7: Now, she didn't reveal that information as to exactly what

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Speaker 7: but she said they just came back from a vacation

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Speaker 9: Her they were going to get up early.

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Speaker 7: It was going to be a completely normal day for them, essentially,

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Speaker 7: who worked the next day. But it was just a heartbreaking,

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Speaker 7: just you saw those tears streaming down her face as

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Speaker 7: she just plead for help, just in disbelief as this

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Speaker 5: So again, like we mentioned parents' worst.

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Speaker 7: Nightmare, no one thinks that their child's not going to

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Joining me, Lynn Shaw, a founder executive director of Lynn's Warriors,

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Speaker 2: committed to ending human trafficking and sexploitation, particularly of children. Lynn,

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Speaker 2: when I read this story, I could barely contain myself

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Speaker 2: just twelve years old. I'm remembering my children at age twelve,

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Speaker 2: never complaining great grades. You saw her playing, I believe

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Speaker 2: a cello. I mean, there's just a perfect little girl.

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Speaker 2: And to end like this, this horrible death. When I

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Speaker 2: think of those two one with an ankle monitor on,

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of times, Lynn, we don't allow

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Speaker 2: ourselves to think about the facts, the actual facts of

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Speaker 2: what happened. We hear, oh, okay, little girl found dead

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Speaker 2: We don't follow that through that chain of thought. But

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Speaker 2: these two animals lured this little girl away from the

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Speaker 1: They lure her to a bridge area.

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Speaker 2: I don't know when they started forcing her there or not,

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Speaker 2: but they're walking along with her like they're friends. They

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Speaker 2: get her down under the bridge, strip her, tie her up,

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Speaker 2: I believe, rape her, and then strangle her and throw

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Speaker 1: By you, I mean like she's trash Lynn, Nancy.

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Speaker 9: We work so hard with missing children, sex traffic children,

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Speaker 9: labor traffic children. This story came across to me very

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Speaker 9: early on, and I said to myself, I bet you

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Speaker 9: it's very nefarious. I bet you it has something to

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Speaker 9: do with our open borders. Let's call it what it is.

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Speaker 9: I saw this story of a twelve year old and

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Speaker 9: for me to get tears in my eyes, I'm pretty

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Speaker 9: hardened about all of this. I am tired of this, Nancy.

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Speaker 9: I am tired of everybody making light of what's going

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Speaker 9: on in America. We have on any given day twenty

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Speaker 9: three hundred children in the United States. There is more

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Speaker 9: to this story. I believe what the work we do

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Speaker 9: then we're hearing about. First of all, I heard that

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Speaker 9: They said that is pending the sexual assault. Well, I

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Speaker 9: They do not belong here. Kids have been jumping out

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Speaker 2: A twelve year old little girl is lured away by

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Speaker 2: Bridge, She's found stripped, bound and dead, strangled, dead, and

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. You know Lenna's right.

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Speaker 2: No one will say they rate the little girl. Then

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Speaker 2: why were her pants off? Why was she stripped? Why

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Speaker 1: Why? Why?

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Speaker 2: Why all those circumstances if she was not sex assaulted

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Speaker 10: Of course, Nancy, all those signs are indicative of sexual assault,

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Speaker 2: R C two. Coray, what do we know about these

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, we've learned that they are originally from Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: They've been living in.

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Speaker 7: know that they were.

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Speaker 5: Stopped by Border patrol.

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Speaker 2: This is what more we are learning. Incredible police. I

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Speaker 1: He murdered her.

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Speaker 2: This mother of five goes missing, and what the local

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Speaker 1: Being done right now.

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Speaker 2: It's not already been done in the Brian Coburger quadruple

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Speaker 1: They put together.

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Speaker 2: A montage okay, like a real a demo reel okay,

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Speaker 2: To get it detailed because Jennifer's DNA is all over it,

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Speaker 11: Listen, our team has worked tirelessly tracking evidence in this

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Speaker 11: we have found and learned that the suspects began their

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Speaker 2: And more of what we know about the two defendants

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Speaker 11: Listen, the suspects continued south and we're first seen on

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Speaker 1: Oh, they're totally busted.

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Speaker 2: They are following them through veryous surveillance videos. They'll probably

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Speaker 1: Now, who sees this little girl at the seven eleven?

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Speaker 2: All she's doing is thinking out to call her a

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Speaker 1: Who sees this girl and thinks, hey, I'm going to.

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Speaker 2: Rape her and murder her? Nobody except these two. I

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Speaker 2: was asking you earlier, what do we know about these guys.

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Speaker 2: We know that they are Jose Roguel Martinez and Franklin

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Speaker 2: twenty nine. What he immediately disappears. We know Ibarra placed

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Speaker 2: He immediately cut off that monitor and disappeared. April twenty

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Speaker 1: Disappeared under similar circumstances. Where are they? Maybe in your backyard?

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is a renowned chief medical examiner out

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Speaker 1: That's Fort Worth.

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Speaker 2: Never lack a business there, Doctor Kendall Crowns, who has

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Speaker 2: you for being with us. Explain to me how an

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Speaker 12: What do you do so in a case of strangulation,

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Speaker 2: How will you determine, doctor Kendall Crowns, whether or not

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Speaker 12: So an evaluation of her genitalia will be done looking

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Speaker 3: You surveillance shows twelve year old just with two unknown

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Speaker 2: And even now online trolls are attacking the mom and

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Speaker 2: psycho analysts out of La Doctor Bethany, what does the

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Speaker 5: Well, for one, I think she had three factors that

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Speaker 5: a cute little girl. She's vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: They can have their.

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Speaker 5: Way with her. Nancy, and I think these guys wanted

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Speaker 5: I mean, these two guys are acting in concert to terrorize,

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Speaker 5: They were full of rage, they came from another country.

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Speaker 5: They wanted to come up against unsuspecting victims. I was

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Speaker 5: These monsters, they're not going to come up against peers

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Speaker 5: These guys are cowards, deep down, homicidal cowards who only

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Speaker 2: You know another thing, Doctor Bethany Marshall, is these two

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Speaker 1: It's almost like they go out for dinner in a.

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Speaker 2: Movie and they use up the little girl and just

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Speaker 1: That's how she's treated, Nancy.

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Speaker 5: These animals have no regard for life. And when I

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Speaker 5: there's this hatred and vindictiveness building up inside of them,

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Speaker 5: this sense that the world is against them, that they

439
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 5: have to assert power somewhere. And remember, it's rumored that

440
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Speaker 5: they have a criminal background, a gain background, which tells

441
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Speaker 5: me that they've been in an environment where there's socially

442
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Speaker 5: sanctioned sociopathy, so that not only are they criminals, sadists,

443
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Speaker 5: rapists on their own, but they've been a part of

444
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Speaker 5: a society where men do this kind of thing, Nancy.

445
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 5: So this becomes a perfect storm, which is the reason

446
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 5: why they should not have been here, because we don't

447
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 5: really have this in our country where it's a perfect

448
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 5: storm of men who are misogynists, who hate women, who

449
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 5: want to rape, torture and kill just because everybody else

450
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 5: thinks it's okay, and they're stirring each other up.

451
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Speaker 2: You know, Lynnshaw with me, founder of Lynn's Warriors, committed

452
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Speaker 2: to ending mistreatment of children. Lynn, I'm just thinking about

453
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Speaker 2: the way they soak, callously throw her body, and that

454
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: buy you, we've.

455
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: Shown you and just walk away, probably laughing.

456
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: And the image which police have given me because they're

457
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 2: spotted on video at a restaurant having a great time

458
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: and then they leave and like I was telling Doctor Bethany,

459
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Speaker 2: like going to dinner in a movie for the rest

460
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 2: of us, that's a big night out, and instead they

461
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: go for dinner and then they go get this little girl,

462
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Speaker 2: and they're stoking each other as they go. Very often

463
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 2: people will do things as a group that they wouldn't

464
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Speaker 2: do on their own. But these two are like minded.

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Speaker 2: And I've given this example before, Lynnshaw. If you're out

466
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Speaker 2: for a walk on a nature trailer in a park

467
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Speaker 2: and you see a little rabbit go by, I bet

468
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 2: your first instinct is to maybe pet it or feed it,

469
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Speaker 2: where other instincts would be to grab it and tear.

470
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Speaker 1: It's neck out and eat it a predator.

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Speaker 2: And when they saw this little girl, can you imagine

472
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Speaker 2: all the glances the two of them exchanged with each other.

473
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Speaker 2: They knew what they were going to do as they

474
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Speaker 2: walked to that bridge, as they forced her to go

475
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Speaker 2: under the bridge. At any point they could have stopped, Linn,

476
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Speaker 2: but they didn't. They went so far as to tie

477
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Speaker 2: her up, strip her under that bridge, I believe, rape her,

478
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Speaker 2: and then strangle her, most likely manually with their own hands,

479
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Speaker 2: and then to top it off, throw her into the

480
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Speaker 2: water like she's trash.

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Speaker 9: Lind Nancy Doctor Bethany hit the nail on the head

482
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Speaker 9: the way she described the mindset. We work with law enforcement.

483
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Speaker 9: These criminal members of this gang from Venezuela, it's called

484
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 9: trendy Arragua. They have no regard for life at all.

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Speaker 9: I don't even want to compare them to animals. That

486
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 9: is too kind. I don't want to put that on animals.

487
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Speaker 1: They will.

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Speaker 9: They have no regard for girls and women in particular.

489
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Speaker 9: They take what they want. I don't even know if

490
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Speaker 9: they planned this. They just saw her. She's a slight

491
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Speaker 9: little girl. They may have asked her directions I read,

492
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 9: and she said, okay, I'll show you this way. They

493
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Speaker 9: lured her somehow, and they just had the opportunity. I

494
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 9: want to repeat, these people are not here legally. They

495
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Speaker 9: have we work extensively with law enforcement. They have no

496
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Speaker 9: regard for women and girls. They think that they are

497
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 9: just property. They're to be raped, robbed, beaten. And I'm

498
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 9: not understanding why all this is allowed allowed to go on.

499
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Speaker 9: We know all this, we know what is going on.

500
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Speaker 9: These are called also ghost criminals. They may come and

501
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 9: have an ankle monitor. They're cutting them off. Nobody's following

502
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 9: up and doing further vetting, and they're disappearing all our country.

503
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Speaker 9: And I guarantee you, I guarantee you. This is my opinion.

504
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 9: They have done this before. They have raped and robbed

505
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Speaker 9: women before, and perhaps even murdered.

506
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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yes, Michael Vanna is joining us.

507
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Speaker 2: Former Houston Police homicide detective now PI owner of y

508
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Speaker 2: two investigations. Michael, this is not their first crime. And

509
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Speaker 2: I don't mean stealing a car or joy riding or

510
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: a theft by shoplifting or.

511
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Speaker 1: Smoking a joint.

512
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, there's a big leap between any of

513
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Speaker 2: those crimes and kidnapping a little girl, forcing her under

514
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Speaker 2: that bridge, raping and murdering her. Oh no, no, no, no,

515
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Speaker 2: this is by far not their first violent crime.

516
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Speaker 10: I answery. I don't think I think you're going to

517
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 10: find an investigation that they probably have a DNA link

518
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 10: to other crimes here in the Houston area or around

519
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 10: the country. Who knows, But let me tell you this Nancy,

520
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 10: I know USTI pleae achieve Saturday White personally. I know

521
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 10: the lead homicide investigator personally. These two men are bloodhounds,

522
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 10: and with their experience, they're not gonna let this case

523
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 10: go away. They're gonna even though they've been arrested in charge,

524
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 10: the investigation is just beginning. They have to go and

525
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 10: confirm and reconfirm every bit of information that they've followed

526
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 10: on that digital trail, on the eyewitnesses, on the medical

527
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 10: examiners report. They have to completely completely put a case

528
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 10: together to make sure these animals do not get out absolutely,

529
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 10: and they're gonna.

530
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Speaker 5: Do that.

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, thank you for joining us.

532
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Speaker 2: As I've told many a jury, many a jury, do

533
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Speaker 2: not turn away from the evidence. Does it leave a

534
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: bad taste in your mouth?

535
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: Yes? Will you have a bad dream? I do? I do.

536
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: After learning about what happened to Jocelyn, all I could

537
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: think about is this happening to.

538
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: My girl Lucy.

539
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: But if we turn away from the evidence, we are

540
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: not prepared to fight what is happening. To fight back

541
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: against what happened to twelve year old Joscelyn.

542
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Speaker 8: Listen, Investigators determine the two men lure her into going

543
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 8: under the bridge on West Rankin Road. Keeping Joscelyn for

544
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 8: over two hours, they take her pants off and tie

545
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 8: her up. Joscelyn dies from strangulation before she is thrown

546
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 8: into the bayou, where her body is found. After throwing

547
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 8: the body into the bayou, Ramos and Martinez are seen

548
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 8: walking back toward the apartment they share. Police believe the

549
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 8: pair live in the same apartment complex as Joscelyn Nungry.

550
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: Just strolling back. They're on video, just strolling back.

551
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: It reminds me of the guy that murdered Rachel Morin.

552
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: According to the DNA found on her body, he attacked

553
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: a nine year old little girl in LA before he

554
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:20,239
Speaker 2: murdered Rachel in bel Air, Maryland, based on DNA, and

555
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: he didn't even run from the scene. He's caught on

556
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: a door cam in LA. He just walks out without

557
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: a shirt on and just walks away, like.

558
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: Hey, you know that was nothing, no big deal.

559
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: I mean, doctor Bethany Marshall, I don't think you're getting

560
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: my question. The way they threw away the little girl

561
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: like she was a chewing gum wrapper. Just throw her

562
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: away after that, just throw her body, half stripped, tied up, strangled,

563
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: just throw her in the water, and now we know,

564
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: casually walk off. I'm telling you, this.

565
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: Was no more than then going to the movie and

566
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Speaker 1: having dinner. That was it.

567
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: This was nothing to them, and they casually stroll back

568
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: to their apartment.

569
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Speaker 1: They don't even run nothing.

570
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 5: No, no, no. Several things about this story bothered me

571
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 5: so much. This little girl, Joscelyn, grew up with a

572
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 5: mother and in the society, in a neighborhood where she

573
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 5: was taught that the world is a safe place. Unlike Venezuela,

574
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 5: unlike Haiti, where the two missionary kids, David and Natalie

575
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 5: were just murdered by gang violence. There are certain societies, Nancy,

576
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 5: where homicide is socially sanctioned, where it's rampant, where people

577
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 5: do feel that this is what society has come to.

578
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 5: And when those societies infiltrate our society, our kids, who

579
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 5: believe that the world is a safe place, continue doing

580
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 5: what they normally do, not realizing that there are predators

581
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 5: around them. And then the other thing, that's strolling back

582
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 5: to their apartment, Nancy, they strangled her, and that means

583
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Speaker 5: that they were looking into the eyes and into the

584
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Speaker 5: face of a twelve year old little girl, watching her struggle,

585
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 5: taking delight, taking pleasure. I mean, if you really just

586
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 5: soak that in. Who does that to a twelve year

587
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 5: old who rapes a twelve year old who may not

588
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 5: even know about sex yet? I mean the intrusion into

589
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 5: this little girl of the most horrifying, unimaginable circumstances for

590
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 5: which she was completely unprepared and not even knowing what

591
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,959
Speaker 5: to do. And Nancy, Yeah, they just toss her into

592
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 5: the river. It is beyond disregard for human life. It's sadism,

593
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 5: it's thrill, it's hatred, it's wanting to undermine the youth

594
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 5: and beauty of such a beautiful member of our society.

595
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Speaker 5: It's really horrible.

596
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Speaker 2: When I first started prosecuting violent crimes, the judge would

597
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: instruct a jury if the evidence supported it.

598
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: On flight as in dish of guilt.

599
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: Now and most jurisdictions, the judge doesn't instruct a jury.

600
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 2: That flight can be used as an indication of guilt,

601
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 2: but the prosecutor can still argue it. And in this case,

602
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 2: you want to tell me they didn't do it, because

603
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: when HPD Houston PD shows up at the apartment complex

604
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: where these two illegals live, and they get a bullhorn,

605
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 2: a loud speaker, and they order the men.

606
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: To come out. What do they do?

607
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: One of the guys tries to jump off a balcony

608
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 2: for a m but wisely, Houston PD and this detective

609
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: is really something else.

610
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: It's Stephen Hope guy. They have the whole place surrounded.

611
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: There you go jumping off a balcony to Crawley Bill

612
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: joining US investigative reporter kPr ST too. They're in Houston, really,

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Speaker 2: I mean, if a cop knocks on your door, do

614
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: you try to run out the back and jump off

615
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: about Absolutely not.

616
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Speaker 7: And it was really interesting because we were out there

617
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 7: that morning. We didn't see that time of the rest

618
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 7: just afterwards when they were placed in handcuffs. But a

619
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Speaker 7: lot of the neighbors out there told me that they

620
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 7: didn't really interact with those men too much. They'd only

621
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Speaker 7: lived at that apartment complex for maybe a month two months.

622
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 7: I think the only time they really saw them out

623
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Speaker 7: was a barbecue that happened a couple weeks prior. But

624
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 7: they didn't have many details about, you know, what those

625
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 7: men were like or if they seemed suspicious at all

626
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 7: so definitely concerning if they're trying to run from police.

627
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Speaker 3: They took away my first born. A mom pleads for

628
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 3: killers to be brought to justice after her twelve year

629
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Speaker 3: old daughters slaying.

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Speaker 2: Now we know the two men that have been arrested

631
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Speaker 2: in the rape and murder of a twelve year old

632
00:37:54,120 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: little Houston girl, Jocelyn secretly and nefariously came into our

633
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: country to.

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Speaker 1: Do nothing but rek have it.

635
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: They were not here, according to the Statue of Liberty,

636
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: seeking a new life. They came here to continue a

637
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: life of violent crime. And it's not the first time.

638
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: Does the name Lacan Riley ring a bell? Because I'll

639
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: never forget the name.

640
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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 8: In Athens, Georgia, nursing student lake and Riley is late

642
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 8: returning from a jog at the University of Georgia campus

643
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Speaker 8: and a roommate becomes concerned surging in the area she

644
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 8: would jog. Her body is found in a Coney Forest

645
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 8: park near Lake Herrick. Riley's body is found covered in

646
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 8: brush and she's been killed by blood, forced trauma, and asphyxiation.

647
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 8: A sketch of a possible person of interest leads investigators

648
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 8: to Jose Antonio Dibara Ibarra is from Venezuela, entered the

649
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 8: USA illegally with a fake wife, was sent to New York,

650
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 8: left his fake wife and ended up in Athens, Georgia

651
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 8: with his brother. Ibarra now facing murder charges in the

652
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 8: killing of Lakeln Riley, his fake And what about Elizabeth Medina.

653
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 8: When high school cheerleader Lizabeth Medina doesn't join her team

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Speaker 8: for the Christmas parade, her mother races home to see why.

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00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 8: In the bathroom, Jackala Medina finds her daughter in the bathtub, dead,

656
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 8: stabbed to death. Police tracks suspicious activity on Lizabeth's missing

657
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 8: cell phone, leading them to Rafael Govea Romero twenty three,

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00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 8: illegally in the United States of America from Mexico. Investigators

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00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 8: determine he's been stalking Lizabeth Medina and was on probation

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Speaker 8: at the time of her murder, and then.

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Speaker 2: He stabs her dead and Mommy has to find her

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00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 2: daughter dead in the bathtub when she's supposed to be

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Speaker 2: in a Christmas parade.

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Speaker 1: That's how she found out.

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00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: Mommy races for more to see her daughter in the parade,

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00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 2: not wanting to miss a thing, and the daughter's not there,

667
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: so she races home to find her daughter dead.

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Speaker 1: When will it end? I can't control what Congress is doing.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 2: That's like yelling out the window on Third Avenue. But

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Speaker 2: what I can do is ask for help in this

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Speaker 2: case to make sure these two are convicted. Seven one

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Speaker 2: three three zero eight three six one hundred repeat seven

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Speaker 2: one three three zero eight three six hundred. Help us

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00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: build this case. Guys, we need your help finding this

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Speaker 2: missing thirteen year old little girl as Stefani Rodriguez.

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Speaker 1: She vanished from.

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Speaker 2: Her home in the middle of the night, Oka City,

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma as Stefani last June twelve. She's five two, one

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty pounds. She's just thirteen years old. If

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Speaker 2: you have any info on this beautiful little girl, please

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Speaker 2: call Oklahoma City PD four zero five two ninety seven

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Speaker 2: one one two nine or Oklahoma CDPD at four zero

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Speaker 2: five two three one twenty one twenty one. I want

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Speaker 2: to thank all of our guests for being with us

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Speaker 2: tonight as our prayers go out to this little girl,

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Speaker 2: Jocelyn and her family, her mother and her little brother.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye friend,