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Speaker 1: an hour with Nick Wright. So uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: hadn't talked to Nick in a while. We thought pre Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: If you're watching this, he does look a little like
Speaker 1: Bernie toppin the Lyricists of Burnish lyricist who was Elton
Speaker 1: John's songwriter Forever. You've got a little Bernie top and
Speaker 1: look between the sports code, very sophisticated.
Speaker 2: I mean, Colin, is your listen I'm not sure, I
Speaker 2: haven't seen the metrics, but is your you know, YouTube
Speaker 2: and podcast audience? Are they skewing to like the Golden generation?
Speaker 2: Like you're the You were thirty seconds in and you're like, hey,
Speaker 2: I mean I think I know a lot about you know,
Speaker 2: pop culture from before my time. But Bernie Toppin, I
Speaker 2: don't think I've ever I've ever heard of, but I'll
Speaker 2: take your word for it. You know, I get a
Speaker 2: lot of things. Everyone you know has different comments on
Speaker 2: the look. You have more comments than anyone. I've just
Speaker 2: been so busy today getting roasted by people for the
Speaker 2: team losing a football game that I don't play for.
Speaker 2: I didn't have time to change. I was wearing my
Speaker 2: TV clothes is having a nice cocktail with my friend
Speaker 2: Colin Cheers.
Speaker 1: You know you said something today on FS one that
Speaker 1: I thought was really true. In fact, I wrote about
Speaker 1: it my first book. I call it sports insurance, where
Speaker 1: I bet against the teams I love so it doesn't
Speaker 1: break my heart when they lose. That's where you and
Speaker 1: I are different. So you have much more emotional courage.
Speaker 1: You go all in on your commentary on your betting
Speaker 1: for who you love. And me, you probably had a
Speaker 1: more stable environment in your life, me who had chaos.
Speaker 1: I am constantly buying insurance so nothing breaks my heart.
Speaker 1: I bet Oregon State against Washington because the hustle.
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that you mentioned that when I went
Speaker 2: off the show, Like I couldn't believe that you went
Speaker 2: to that level on it. See, so I think it
Speaker 2: actually probably shows some like I don't know, almost like
Speaker 2: masochism about me that I'm not aware of, which is like,
Speaker 2: it's really like a it's going I'm going to feel
Speaker 2: something at the end of this game, and it's going
Speaker 2: to be maximum in either direction. Like I'm going to
Speaker 2: put myself out on as far of a limb as
Speaker 2: I can professionally. If I believe in it, I'm going
Speaker 2: to gamble on it. And it's the team I love.
Speaker 2: And when they come through it is a true rush.
Speaker 2: And when they don't like and I even you know,
Speaker 2: I'll give you a different type of gambling. You know
Speaker 2: all these the gambling operations your friends at DraftKings do it.
Speaker 2: They offer the cash out options, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: On a bet. So, I don't know if it was
Speaker 2: Week three or whatever week it was, but the week
Speaker 2: the Giants had the huge comeback against the Commanders, and
Speaker 2: I think and Denver had a huge lead against someone
Speaker 2: that they ended up blowing, I bet both. I made
Speaker 2: a five hundred dollars bet on both teams that were
Speaker 2: trailing by twenty one simultaneous. It's five hundred to twenty
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars this week three, And at one point
Speaker 2: the cash out option was seventeen to five because one
Speaker 2: of my teams had won and the other one was up,
Speaker 2: had gone from down twenty one to up ten, and
Speaker 2: I was like, hell, no, I'm not cashing like no,
Speaker 2: like if you're offering me that it's worth more. And
Speaker 2: that was the game. Russell Wilson completed the hail Mary
Speaker 2: to potentially win tie the game, and then they didn't
Speaker 2: get the two point conversion, and I dropped to my
Speaker 2: knees in agony when he completed that tiptail mary. But
Speaker 2: then I won anyway, And it's just that's kind of
Speaker 2: just how I live my life. That's just kind of
Speaker 2: how I live my life.
Speaker 1: What you talked about, the word you use was rush,
Speaker 1: and you play poker, and your opinions you you you
Speaker 1: probably somewhere maybe because my father, uh later in life,
Speaker 1: I didn't notice it early, was an alcoholic. I am
Speaker 1: very acutely aware of obsession or becoming an alick whatever
Speaker 1: that olic is, right, and so I'm aware of it.
Speaker 1: I'm always pushing back, I'm always stopping I'm awa, you're not.
Speaker 1: You probably didn't have as much of that in your life,
Speaker 1: so your life could have been you had some chaos
Speaker 1: you've told me about, but you like you like the rush.
Speaker 1: I am avoiding the rush at all times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I I have and I think maybe
Speaker 2: we've talked to this once before. I you know, I'm
Speaker 2: pretty convinced I don't. I've been like clinically diagnosed with this.
Speaker 2: But I have what people call an addictive personality, and
Speaker 2: that can go in any direction, positive or negative. So, like,
Speaker 2: you know, there was a period of time right when
Speaker 2: my youngest daughter who's now ten, had just been born
Speaker 2: and I was spending a ton of time just with
Speaker 2: her in my arms or sleeping or whatever, that I
Speaker 2: became totally really obsessed with history books and I was
Speaker 2: reading dnse US or military worldwide history books one a week.
Speaker 2: Like I was addicted is a weird way to put it,
Speaker 2: but it was. It was certainly compulsion. I once built
Speaker 2: these little lego nanoblock sculptures to the point to where
Speaker 2: I was scouring eBay for like ones I didn't have.
Speaker 2: Now that can also go in you know, bad directions
Speaker 2: on you know, either vices or whatever it is. But
Speaker 2: I've just I certainly can get obsessed with things. And
Speaker 2: you mentioned poker like I am obsessed is not the
Speaker 2: right word, but I am. I every single night. The
Speaker 2: way I go to sleep is I watch old not old,
Speaker 2: but eighteen months old thereabout kind of you know, obscure
Speaker 2: poker tournaments of the best in the world to try
Speaker 2: to kind of learn that like the new kind of
Speaker 2: that's the skill I'm trying to hone. And I'm really
Speaker 2: like laser focused on it. So I just don't I'm
Speaker 2: not good at doing things in moderation, and that's and
Speaker 2: it's also why, to be totally honest, I never, aside
Speaker 2: from weed, experimented with any drugs because I knew. I
Speaker 2: was like, I won't be a you know you, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you've had a friend or someone that's like, wow,
Speaker 2: they once every six months might do a little coke
Speaker 2: or something, but they're just you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just like a thing. I was like, that wouldn't
Speaker 2: be me, man, I would that would I? And so
Speaker 2: I've kind of had to have my own guardrails on
Speaker 2: it there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I have a lot of guardrails, so I
Speaker 1: don't I'm the exact opposite of you.
Speaker 2: Everything is in moderation.
Speaker 1: I have I literally, I mean, I tell my wife,
Speaker 1: I go to this place in Manhattan Beach. It's called
Speaker 1: the nine hundred Club, and it's a great place to go.
Speaker 1: I go see my buddies. I watched the Chiefs Eagles
Speaker 1: there and with four minutes to go in the game,
Speaker 1: I call Uber, take me home and do the podcast. Right.
Speaker 1: But it's just like I wanted last night to be
Speaker 1: like you in an environment of fans, and it was
Speaker 1: split down the middle. Kansas City, Philadelphia. But it's it's
Speaker 1: like I can stop anything. I cocktails seven forty done
Speaker 1: years ago, I had I was getting rosetia and I
Speaker 1: went to an attritionist and.
Speaker 2: She said, uh, she said, do you do you eat dairy?
Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, I have about.
Speaker 1: Twelve yogurts today. She said twelve and I said that's
Speaker 1: I eat them all day. She goes, stop, no more
Speaker 1: dairy for you. I literally have never had yogurt since
Speaker 1: the next day, and and I was living on it.
Speaker 1: So I can I am I say this, I am
Speaker 1: a great quitter. Oh wow, I'm not a good starter.
Speaker 2: Rates that's like an underrated skill that. I guess it's
Speaker 2: a weird thing to say, but being able to either
Speaker 2: cut your losses or just be like I'm not into this,
Speaker 2: Like I wonder, do you ever wonder how many people
Speaker 2: in our business? Uh? And I'm people who probably are
Speaker 2: not necessarily at the apex of it, but our business.
Speaker 2: Everybody you know you started in local TV and then
Speaker 2: did local radio. I did local radio for a decade.
Speaker 2: So I always wonder how many people who have decent
Speaker 2: jobs in you know, a good market or whatever it is,
Speaker 2: are fell out of love with it eight years prior
Speaker 2: but just didn't know how to be like, oh, this
Speaker 2: wasn't for me, and are continuing down the path. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean? That they're like that where it's
Speaker 2: not even what they want to do anymore, but it's
Speaker 2: just what they had always said they were going to
Speaker 2: do and they don't want to be like I was wrong.
Speaker 2: I always wonder about that.
Speaker 1: Well, I think I will say this. I think sports
Speaker 1: talk radio is at its best locally when you have
Speaker 1: a great controversy and you can spend four hours on
Speaker 1: one topic. I remember when I lived in Connecticut, my
Speaker 1: wife Anne built a gym for me downstairs and I
Speaker 1: worked out almost every four o'clock every day, like three
Speaker 1: thirty four o'clock. And probably the best local show I've
Speaker 1: heard consistently was Felger and Maz the two Boston guys,
Speaker 1: not Homer's. One of the few shows in a big
Speaker 1: market I've ever heard that would push back on local teams. Funny, smart, connected,
Speaker 1: and I always thought their best shows when they had
Speaker 1: a major Patriot controversy or Brady it was great. I'd
Speaker 1: sit there and work out for two hours. That's when
Speaker 1: I had muscles, because I would just sit there and
Speaker 1: work out because I thought it was fascinating.
Speaker 2: That's when you were getting ready for your book cover,
Speaker 2: the famous shirtless book cover. Yeah. So I have a
Speaker 2: story on that, but it's I this morning, Collins. So
Speaker 2: I drove back from Philly at six in the morning
Speaker 2: because I had to do I had do my podcast.
Speaker 2: And so this morning, on the drive back from Philly,
Speaker 2: the last thing I want to do is consume any
Speaker 2: content about the Chiefs loss. Like it's the last thing.
Speaker 2: So I, you and I are so similar on this.
Speaker 2: I went to uh, my buddy Andrew Philippony, who you
Speaker 2: know a bit. He hosts afternoons in Pittsburgh. He was
Speaker 2: the Kenny Pickett guy. He he he had a weekly
Speaker 2: show with him when he was at pitt He like
Speaker 2: threw a party when the Steelers drafted him. He was
Speaker 2: all he was tweeting, Picket to Pickens is going to
Speaker 2: be the new Montana Rice. He was the Kenny Pickett guy.
Speaker 2: And after the game Sunday he said, I'm out on Kenny,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I've got to hear this show.
Speaker 2: So on my drive from Philly to New York this morning,
Speaker 2: I pulled up the podcast from his local show yesterday
Speaker 2: two o'clock of them being like I'm out on Kenney.
Speaker 2: And then today right before our show, when I saw
Speaker 2: Matt Canada got fired, I was like, I want to
Speaker 2: hear what they're saying now today. Like local sports radio
Speaker 2: is great, it's like on on it can be super monotonous,
Speaker 2: you know, in the if you have a crummy baseball
Speaker 2: team and there's nothing going on, but on the big
Speaker 2: story stuff. It is so it is so exciting and exhilarating.
Speaker 2: It's so good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just I have a show in LA.
Speaker 1: I listened to my buddy of mine is works on radio,
Speaker 1: and they he does a really good job, and he's
Speaker 1: got great Laker information that I listened to. And he
Speaker 1: and his buddy are funny. I know them both. They're
Speaker 1: funny and they can go places I can't go. Because
Speaker 1: I have a television component, I'm minute to minute, my
Speaker 1: ratings are judged, and so there's no question I do
Speaker 1: more NFL. Now, if I was just doing local radio,
Speaker 1: i'd probably do thirty percent in NFL fifty eight to
Speaker 1: sixty percent. So I've always thought when when you know,
Speaker 1: I saw some I don't know the name of the sportscaster,
Speaker 1: Chris Something.
Speaker 2: He's some ESPN guy.
Speaker 1: It was on social yesterday where a local person came
Speaker 1: up to interview him and he said, I don't do local,
Speaker 1: and I was like, every time I'm in a local market,
Speaker 1: I talk to the local guys. I love the local guys.
Speaker 1: I think they're funny, I think they're interesting. I think
Speaker 1: those shows are raw. I'm not allowed to be as
Speaker 1: raw they're they're unhinged. I'm not allowed to be they're gonna.
Speaker 2: When you said you have a TV component, you ended
Speaker 2: up talking about kind of content and ratings, and you know,
Speaker 2: but there is a level of even in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: The closest thing to like the wild West of like
Speaker 2: sports media is your local sports guys who can absolutely
Speaker 2: walk the line and cross it occasionally without and I
Speaker 2: I think it's probably because it's hard for a local
Speaker 2: radio gaff to instantly go viral without the fear of,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is going to cost me my career.
Speaker 2: So when you're don't, when you're not as concerned about that,
Speaker 2: you can take more chances and listen. Sometimes it ends
Speaker 2: in disaster because you take too many, but sometimes it
Speaker 2: is really my you know one eyebuddies who's done. I've
Speaker 2: told you about him as well. My buddy Laslough has
Speaker 2: done a local talk show for over twenty years in
Speaker 2: Kansas City, and he said early on when he was
Speaker 2: doing it, he was like my entire goal when I
Speaker 2: had first started in a market no one knew who
Speaker 2: I was was. At some point when they're listening, make
Speaker 2: the purse say something that makes them look at the radio,
Speaker 2: even though it's an audio medium, just feel like, what
Speaker 2: did you say? He's like that, you know, And there
Speaker 2: are levels of how close you can come to the
Speaker 2: line in that. I mean, I I don't know that
Speaker 2: I will now. But I used to say to Danielle,
Speaker 2: my wife, like when when we're retired, we're retired, will
Speaker 2: actually mean like maybe living in Hawaii and I do
Speaker 2: the local sports show there like like two hours a day, Like,
Speaker 2: but this gotta give take somewhere. But that was before
Speaker 2: like podcasts and YouTube and stuff I'm doing. A long
Speaker 2: time ago. I was like, I'm gonna have to give
Speaker 2: an opinion somewhere. But that that always said, like you
Speaker 2: know what happens.
Speaker 1: Coaches always say that they they go up the chain,
Speaker 1: they get to Kentucky, they win a national title, and
Speaker 1: they say, when I retire, I'm gonna coach at Saint Mary's.
Speaker 1: And it's like that pays less than a high school
Speaker 1: gym teacher.
Speaker 2: No, you're not, No, you're not.
Speaker 1: You're gonna You're gonna coach somewhere, be a consultant for
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia seventies six ers, make three hundred g's a
Speaker 1: year and go to eight games.
Speaker 2: Don't give me a break.
Speaker 1: No, I just I've always I have a lot of
Speaker 1: When I was up in Seattle for the Husky Game,
Speaker 1: Husky Oregon Game, a softy Dave Maler is gonna do
Speaker 1: stuff forever and he came up and said, would you
Speaker 1: do the pregame show?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, of course, I love it. I think
Speaker 2: it's just great.
Speaker 1: He's I think the local guys I could name twenty
Speaker 1: shows off the top of my head.
Speaker 2: I think they're excellent. Listen.
Speaker 1: I I got to a point where I got you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think most local guys want syndicated. I think
Speaker 1: I think the best jobs in sports talk radio are local. Now, obviously,
Speaker 1: if you could get you know, Dan Patrick, a Ry
Speaker 1: or you get one of those two jobs, those are
Speaker 1: really good jobs.
Speaker 2: We have really big staffs. It's a great life.
Speaker 1: I'm off at noon cocktails at you know three, it's
Speaker 1: a great life. But overwhelmingly Felger and Maz I know Felger,
Speaker 1: Uh doesn't.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. So, like I when I was coming
Speaker 2: up my and I've told you this, like it's and
Speaker 2: it's a little maybe it should be embarrassing, but it's not.
Speaker 2: But my dream job was to one day replace you
Speaker 2: on ESPN Radio. I was like, by the time he's
Speaker 2: about done, I will be there, like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, not like they fire you for me, but
Speaker 2: like that's that to me, that was the best real
Speaker 2: estate in sports media in America was the mid day
Speaker 2: show on ESPN Radio because it was cleared in all
Speaker 2: the markets. It was mornings in the West Coast. It
Speaker 2: was the best real estate nowadays. Man, I do not
Speaker 2: feel and I'm not trying to take a shot and
Speaker 2: I don't. I simply don't feel that way. I know.
Speaker 2: You know Danny Parkins really well, he does afternoons in Chicago.
Speaker 2: He got offered h However, many years ago, I won't
Speaker 2: say the network, but their afternoon drive national spot, and
Speaker 2: we talked.
Speaker 1: I know how much he's making because I offered him
Speaker 1: a job, and.
Speaker 2: I remember we talked about it and it was like,
Speaker 2: I have more more people will hear me and care
Speaker 2: about what I say in Chicago than on the you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, on the National network whatever it's not.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to sound like back in my day.
Speaker 2: But the though, like Dan Patrick, you that that doesn't
Speaker 2: exist the way it used to on the National radio
Speaker 2: I mean Rome first obviously, and then every from there
Speaker 2: like that. That's kind of a Now it's not a
Speaker 2: bad thing because now this exists and podcasts and people
Speaker 2: have other opportunities. But I don't know what my dream
Speaker 2: job would be if I was eighteen years old right now,
Speaker 2: because I didn't ever think I was going to be
Speaker 2: on TV. I never thought I was gonna be on TV.
Speaker 2: I always just wanted to have the biggest sports radio
Speaker 2: show in the country. But now I don't know what
Speaker 2: that like. I mean, you have the biggest sports radio
Speaker 2: show in the country, but it's a TV show as
Speaker 2: we you know what I mean. So it's like a
Speaker 2: different thing. Like what is the biggest sports radio show
Speaker 2: that's just on the radio Right now, I don't know
Speaker 2: what it was, But for years you would know it
Speaker 2: was Jim Rome, it was you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Van Pelt had a huge one for a while. Like
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is right now, I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't, and I don't think it matters anymore. I
Speaker 1: think in the eighties and nineties it did. It's it's
Speaker 1: Mike and the mad It's almost like having the best
Speaker 1: It's like having the best running back in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Nobody cares, like nobody cares.
Speaker 1: It's like, who's got the best quarterback and an offensive
Speaker 1: coach that guides in it. And I say that with
Speaker 1: all due respect. I listened to Mike and the Mad
Speaker 1: Dog for ten years when I was in the East Coast.
Speaker 1: I thought they were terrific. I thought Boomer and Carton
Speaker 1: were a riot in the morning. I thought that was
Speaker 1: more my less basebally than Mike and the Mad Dog.
Speaker 1: I thought Boomer and Carton were perfect. I think Geo
Speaker 1: and Boomer, I don't hear them a Geo appear, you know,
Speaker 1: funny guy Boomer's you know, he's got an sizable audience,
Speaker 1: legitimacy in the market.
Speaker 2: I think those shows are. I think they're very, very
Speaker 2: I think they're great, and I think a lot of
Speaker 2: those shows probably pay better than most of the national shows.
Speaker 2: My point is, like, I don't think I think podcasts
Speaker 2: like in a weird way, Like is the biggest non
Speaker 2: televised national sports radio show in twenty twenty three, And
Speaker 2: I'm using radio and quotes, pardon my take, Like it
Speaker 2: might be you know what I mean, Like that might
Speaker 2: be what the next iteration of it is, like the
Speaker 2: and so I don't I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: But I love the I love the industry, and I
Speaker 2: still even though I've now been at Fox longer than
Speaker 2: I've been anywhere else. I've been doing the first things,
Speaker 2: first Long and I in any of my other shows.
Speaker 2: If someone like were to ask me what I do
Speaker 2: for a living, I'd say sports radio hosts, and I'm
Speaker 2: on the radio. But like, in my head, that's what
Speaker 2: I am. Like, I just happen to be on TV
Speaker 2: doing it, but that's how that's what I am.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I call I put down whenever I'm filling out
Speaker 1: a credit report, America's media icon and that's how I
Speaker 1: did that.
Speaker 2: I told my my uh, one of my youngest daughter
Speaker 2: is I don't. One of her friends told her because
Speaker 2: she Both my daughters are actresses, the eighteen year olds
Speaker 2: in college. The youngest is ten, and one of the
Speaker 2: ten year old's friends told her the way it works
Speaker 2: is you get an agent and the agent puts you
Speaker 2: in movies. And so she is super pissed at us
Speaker 2: that we won't get her an agent. She was like,
Speaker 2: whoever told me that's what you need to do? And
Speaker 2: I said to her, I was like, Deana, I was like,
Speaker 2: I know how this business works. She was like, how
Speaker 2: would you know. I was like, I'm in the entertainment business.
Speaker 2: The inner I think, I said, I said I'm in
Speaker 2: the entertainment industry. And she just started laughing. She was like, no,
Speaker 2: you're not, daddy. I was like, yes I am. She
Speaker 2: was like, you are not in me. She just she
Speaker 2: thinks whatever I do is sports and it's nothing to
Speaker 2: do with the entertainment industry whatsoever. That I'm out of
Speaker 2: my mind. You know.
Speaker 1: It was interesting. I during the writers and the actors
Speaker 1: and the directors strike. Here's my take and talking about
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry, we'll just give it to that is
Speaker 1: that my wife and I we watch a Quarantine which
Speaker 1: is Netflix England. Everybody's got bad teeth, skins, blotchy noses
Speaker 1: or pointy, but the writing is just so good. And
Speaker 1: I told my wife, I don't care who the actors are,
Speaker 1: and I have not in any way trying to downplay
Speaker 1: Don cheatle Ed Norton, Michael Keaton, Meryl Street, Amy Adams,
Speaker 1: people that literally get me to a movie of the
Speaker 1: Jason Bateman. You know certain people, if they're in it,
Speaker 1: I'm watching it. They make good choices. But I said,
Speaker 1: my wife and I will go through a nine part
Speaker 1: series if we don't know the actors, if the writing
Speaker 1: is good. I've never watched a series where the writing's
Speaker 1: bad and the actors are famous and considered high profile.
Speaker 1: Is that there's nothing against actors. I'm not marginalizing the industry.
Speaker 1: But when I looked at that strike, they resolved the
Speaker 1: writers first. I said, this Stranger Things had eight year
Speaker 1: olds acting. Eight year old couldn't write it, they couldn't
Speaker 1: direct it, they could act in it. And that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean there's not great actors. Eight year old couldn't plan
Speaker 1: the NBA, couldn't be a senator, they can act well.
Speaker 2: So it's like that, I think as children. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's a little they're the only people eligible. You can't
Speaker 2: get a thirty year old to play the role. But
Speaker 2: before the side, until you got to the senator NBA
Speaker 2: analogy where I agree with you is great writing, can
Speaker 2: it is pulled right in a way that was a
Speaker 2: star actor if the product is if the if the
Speaker 2: plot and the writing is terrible, you can't keep me.
Speaker 2: But you can have a totally anonymous cast, which anonymous
Speaker 2: doesn't mean they're not good actors, just you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, not famous, and if the writing's good, you're
Speaker 2: in there entirely.
Speaker 1: Like the where think about this Marlon Brando's had eight
Speaker 1: bad movies.
Speaker 2: Why the writing was bad.
Speaker 1: You don't blame Marlon Brando, you go. The writing socked
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks the terminal. Nobody says, I'm not watching a
Speaker 1: Hanks movie again. The writing wasn't good enough. The writing
Speaker 1: carries it, not the acting, though there are specific Jeremy
Speaker 1: Irons again to me, Don Cheadle, Ed Norton, Michael Keaton,
Speaker 1: there are there are people that Jason Bateman just kind
Speaker 1: of pulls me.
Speaker 2: In whatever he does. Oh, by the way, stars that Yeah,
Speaker 2: here's the thing that the entertainment industry from the movie
Speaker 2: perspective has really taught me a bit as far as
Speaker 2: how to do my show, which is I don't think
Speaker 2: you can underrate the importance of charisma which I don't
Speaker 2: have a ton of, or likability which I started which
Speaker 2: I realized, or my career. Oh that's important. Like the
Speaker 2: like the thing is so the you mentioned those those folks,
Speaker 2: so like Tom Cruise. I can't explain it, but the
Speaker 2: charisma is the word and that guy it's just like
Speaker 2: he pulls you in. A guy who I think that
Speaker 2: maybe people will laugh at me for this, but a
Speaker 2: guy who I think has it. I just if he's
Speaker 2: on the screen, I find myself smiling. Is Mark Wahlberg,
Speaker 2: That guy's funny, man Like, he's just funny and he's
Speaker 2: having a good time and he's good looking like that.
Speaker 2: That so on that level. So that's that's where like
Speaker 2: the the and where the the perfect storm is. For instance,
Speaker 2: I would argue The Sopranos, which had apex acting what
Speaker 2: Gandalfini and Falco did and basically all the actors in
Speaker 2: the series except for the kids, were a plus and
Speaker 2: some of the best television writing ever. And you have
Speaker 2: true art, you have like, oh, I can watch that
Speaker 2: again and again and again, saying yeah, that's if you
Speaker 2: bring them both together where and they don't. It's not
Speaker 2: like Gandalfini was an A lister before the Sopranos, but
Speaker 2: he was an A list talent. Clearly he was one
Speaker 2: of the most brilliant performers ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I think it was Marlon Brando said,
Speaker 1: and this is where James Gandolfini he found the perfect role.
Speaker 1: It didn't even look like he was acting. You start thinking,
Speaker 1: I bet he does have some mom guys, right, right.
Speaker 1: So Marlon Brando used to always say you can only do.
Speaker 2: You can do.
Speaker 1: Yourself and a version of your father. Oh nobody has
Speaker 1: the range.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could you do.
Speaker 1: You're doing a version of yourself or a version of
Speaker 1: Dad as a man. That's the range. That's all you
Speaker 1: can do. And so when I watch Gandolfini, there are
Speaker 1: there are roles, and I think de Niro has leaned
Speaker 1: into this a lot. I think Michael Keaton's quirky, he's
Speaker 1: leaned into it. I thought James Gandolfini, it's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: he found the perfect role.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I watched him in a couple other movies. I really
Speaker 1: liked him.
Speaker 2: He's terrific.
Speaker 1: But that role, there are perfect roles. It's just like
Speaker 1: somebody once said to me Colin Afternoon Radio, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: that doesn't work for me.
Speaker 2: I'm not hostile.
Speaker 1: I'm more the I'm going to take you through what
Speaker 1: happened last night, my version, my story of what's happened
Speaker 1: last night. I don't want to take calls and yell
Speaker 1: and argue over stupid conflict. That's not my person night.
Speaker 1: That's Mike Frances's personality. I do think actors there's a
Speaker 1: perfect role out there, and the actors that find it
Speaker 1: often get type cast, but they do it over and
Speaker 1: over and over again, and that's criticized, but what it is,
Speaker 1: it's the closest version of who they are. And so
Speaker 1: Nicholas Cage can do the same thing over and over.
Speaker 1: Now leaving Las Vegas, he may do something that diverts
Speaker 1: and you're like, wow, what a performance. But I think
Speaker 1: most of the times I watch Michael Keaton kind of
Speaker 1: that sardonic sense of humor, or you watch Anthony Hopkins,
Speaker 1: or after I watched Silence of the Lambs, everything felt
Speaker 1: like I heard that, I heard that, I heard that
Speaker 1: voice in everything after that.
Speaker 2: I do think there are perfect roles for actors.
Speaker 1: And once you hit it, don't try to get happier
Speaker 1: than happy keep doing versions.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, and that's and I think for comedic
Speaker 2: actors it's probably easier. They they're not they're I shouldn't
Speaker 2: say easier, but they're not judged for it. Like nobody
Speaker 2: judges Sandler or a lot of or Mark Wall. We're
Speaker 2: gonna say, we're basically playing this not the same guy,
Speaker 2: but a similar guy and a bunch of stuff. Dramatic actors,
Speaker 2: they you know, are judged in a way, it's like
Speaker 2: test your range, see the different things you can do. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I find I personally, maybe it's because my
Speaker 2: daughters are so into it. I find it to be
Speaker 2: a really like fascinating, uh journey of like trying to
Speaker 2: learn these things in the like whether or not the places.
Speaker 2: I mean, the ten year old is not obviously doing
Speaker 2: things on this level with the eighteen year old. She's
Speaker 2: a theater major, you know, you over California, Santa Cruz,
Speaker 2: and she's out there really trying to like learn things
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's very few comedians can do drama now, obviously,
Speaker 1: Robin Williams, Goodwill, Hunting Awakening, Steve Carell. I also think
Speaker 1: I think Steve Carell's brolly. I think I think he's
Speaker 1: actually better fun I think he's better in drama than
Speaker 1: he is in comedy, and I think he's funny as hell.
Speaker 1: You do have these guys that can leave their personality.
Speaker 1: Robin Williams is really a unicorn. Well, let's just acknowledge it.
Speaker 1: Jim Carrey is brilliant. But I didn't buy the Cable
Speaker 1: Guy like I like I buy certain things because he
Speaker 1: was so physical. But I do think you rarely see
Speaker 1: a comedic actor do drama well because smartly they're playing
Speaker 1: the role they're meant to be.
Speaker 2: And that's okay. I can I ask you a question?
Speaker 2: And then I want to I've got something happening in
Speaker 2: my life that I want to tell you about. But
Speaker 2: first I have a question. Can you say comedic actor?
Speaker 2: I want to know if you agree with me on this.
Speaker 2: I think the single most impressive h job I guess
Speaker 2: in our in any form of the entertainment business, and
Speaker 2: I think it's or the most difficult. I think impressed
Speaker 2: the right word, and I don't think there's a close
Speaker 2: second is stand up comedian.
Speaker 1: And oh, I'm so glad you said that you agree.
Speaker 1: First of all, you have to write your own material.
Speaker 1: You get one take, you have to perform it in
Speaker 1: front of drunks. It's incredibly hard. Somebody else's writing.
Speaker 2: You have nothing but your thoughts. It is every single
Speaker 2: it would be like doing a television show with a
Speaker 2: live like in front of on your eyeballs, the ratings
Speaker 2: by the minute to where like it's like oh, because
Speaker 2: every joke that doesn't hit you know, and you have
Speaker 2: to keep going. And it is it is to me,
Speaker 2: I am more impressed by stand up comedians in anyone
Speaker 2: in any in the business. And I also think it
Speaker 2: would be the biggest rush of any of the jobs,
Speaker 2: Like if you were great at it, I would think, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can't imagine anything cooler Like that is actually to me,
Speaker 2: And people disagree, maybe they think I'm crazy. I think
Speaker 2: it's actually cooler than rock star because even a rock
Speaker 2: star there's a there's a whole production, there's a band,
Speaker 2: usually there's music, there's there's you know, it might be
Speaker 2: flames or whatever it is. There's dancing, a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: If you are able to walk onto a stage with
Speaker 2: a microphone in your hand, no video board, know nothing,
Speaker 2: and first ninety minutes keep people's wrapped attention and keep
Speaker 2: them laughing, and at the end they stand in applaud
Speaker 2: it's to me the one of the most remarkable things ever,
Speaker 2: Like I can't imagine how that feels, and I think
Speaker 2: it would be take such courage and be so hard.
Speaker 2: I think it's so cool. I think it's so cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the only thing that rivals at his
Speaker 1: Broadway where it's one take, it's a live audience. It's
Speaker 1: often memorizing. I mean, I've I've actually known an actor
Speaker 1: that had to that worked years and years ago. I
Speaker 1: was I was intimidated listening to him describe his average night.
Speaker 1: It is a Broadway actor frightening.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Especially if you're a lead or or you you've got
Speaker 1: like heavy work you're on stage.
Speaker 2: Oh, bad stuff. I can't imagineimidate the I wild I
Speaker 2: told Wilde's a version of this, and he made fun
Speaker 2: of me. He was like, oh, He's like, thanks for
Speaker 2: the breaking news that the Moulin Rouge in Paris is impressive.
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, well you got it, buddy.
Speaker 2: But when my wife and I went to Paris this
Speaker 2: we I was like, hey, I know it's touristy whatever
Speaker 2: it is, but I want to see what the Mulin
Speaker 2: Rouge is. People say it's nice, and yes, I understand,
Speaker 2: it's a burless show, so it's there are topless women
Speaker 2: involved in it. It was two hours of, honest to god,
Speaker 2: the most impressive, non stop, like one hundred miles an
Speaker 2: hour performance. And seeing these people, I'm like, there are
Speaker 2: forty people on stage. They are all going fast and
Speaker 2: doing like you know, different movements and and The thing
Speaker 2: is they do, and I'm sure they it's not all
Speaker 2: the exact same people, but they do three shows a night,
Speaker 2: seven days a week in that theater. And two things
Speaker 2: cribed me. One was I was like, Uh, these tickets
Speaker 2: were four hundred bucks each. There's a thousand people in here.
Speaker 2: You're doing three of these a night, Like how much
Speaker 2: money does this place print? And the next thing was like,
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't think once you get cast
Speaker 2: you practice. I think you just performed because there's no
Speaker 2: time to practice because the theater is all day doing
Speaker 2: these shows. And yeah, I Broadway is. That was the
Speaker 2: big shocker to me about moving to New York that
Speaker 2: I loved Broadway. I would have never thought I liked it.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't watch musicals, I don't care,
Speaker 2: and I find it. It's one of my favorite things
Speaker 2: about living here is like the because you are amazed
Speaker 2: that what these people are able to do, and then
Speaker 2: you know they do it six nights a week. They're
Speaker 2: just there. That's why they're just there doing it. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Circling back to comedy, it's why Colin Quinn, to me,
Speaker 1: has always been one of the most impressive comedians that
Speaker 1: he does these Broadway. You know, he writes these essentially,
Speaker 1: you know, he finds a director, but he basically it's
Speaker 1: a one man show that Colin Quinn has done. And
Speaker 1: I watched couple of them online and I was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's a lot of work he
Speaker 1: you know, obviously it took six months to write. Colin Quinn,
Speaker 1: to me is one of the real great performers in America,
Speaker 1: and he does stuff nobody else does. He does stand up.
Speaker 1: Years ago. I was in New York, probably ten years ago.
Speaker 1: I was in New York one night and I'm having
Speaker 1: cocktails with a buddy who's from the Pacific Northwest, and
Speaker 1: I said, hey, let's go to a comedy show and
Speaker 1: see who's performing. Colin Quinn was up there, and you
Speaker 1: could tell he was working on his act. He was
Speaker 1: in warm ups.
Speaker 2: And he slayed it.
Speaker 1: He was just so funny and he was kind of going, now,
Speaker 1: that's not going to work, and he was, and I
Speaker 1: thought it was. It was probably an hour of just
Speaker 1: ad libing. Eight minutes of it were laugh out loud funny.
Speaker 1: Thirty five to forty were really good, and then you know,
Speaker 1: some of it figure I've seen David Spade live four
Speaker 1: or five times, you know, some of it just doesn't
Speaker 1: you know, He's just he's not there yet. He's got
Speaker 1: a funny line, but he doesn't have the arc complete.
Speaker 2: But I think back to that.
Speaker 1: I think Colin Quinn's really really smart.
Speaker 2: Really clever, the one person show. And then we can
Speaker 2: I guess, change do whatever? Change? How was do whatever?
Speaker 2: The I don't know if so. There's a show one
Speaker 2: of the obviously Law and Order. There's a bunch of
Speaker 2: law and orders, so Law and Order Organized Crime, which
Speaker 2: was the spin off of SVU. They took Stabler, the
Speaker 2: guy from SVU, and gave him his own show. Well,
Speaker 2: the second lead in that show is a woman named
Speaker 2: Danielle Monet Truett who went to grade school with my wife.
Speaker 2: In grade school, they were friendly but not like close friends.
Speaker 2: But then when she got and she was a like
Speaker 2: the vintage starving actor for twenty years. She had one
Speaker 2: big role on a show called Rebel was the star
Speaker 2: that show didn't last that long, and was doing plays
Speaker 2: and working whatever, and then she got cast in a
Speaker 2: new Law and Order as the second lead and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: moving to New York. This is, you know, my big break.
Speaker 2: And she and Danielle reconnected. This is four years ago maybe,
Speaker 2: and now they are super close friends. So like it's
Speaker 2: and they went to grade school together and weren't that close,
Speaker 2: but now they are incredit le close friends. And this woman,
Speaker 2: before Law and Order had taken off, she and a
Speaker 2: friend wrote a one woman show called Black Girl Blues,
Speaker 2: and she got it. She produced it, and we went
Speaker 2: to go see a screening of it, and it is
Speaker 2: she walks up on stage. She only the only thing
Speaker 2: she ever outfit changes or whatever, is like essentially how
Speaker 2: her hair is done, or the shoes she's wearing, or
Speaker 2: how her shirt is tied, just because she plays three
Speaker 2: different black women who are their lives are kind of
Speaker 2: intertwined but they don't know it. And she is standing
Speaker 2: on stage for ninety minutes, three totally different characters that
Speaker 2: you can just tell by the way she changed her dialect,
Speaker 2: her attitude and her delivery. And I, I mean, I've
Speaker 2: watched the woman's television show and she's a friend of mine.
Speaker 2: I like her. I knew she was talented. This thing
Speaker 2: ended and I went up door and I said, I
Speaker 2: don't know what I just saw here cause like you're
Speaker 2: like you were on stage by yourself for an hour
Speaker 2: and a half telling a story with no one else there.
Speaker 2: Just there's like an omniscient narrator that occasionally would chime in,
Speaker 2: but that's it. And not only did everyone follow it,
Speaker 2: people cried because of one of the scenes, like it
Speaker 2: was that. Yeah, that stuff is really really a unique talent,
Speaker 2: and I think I really respect the courage aspect of it.
Speaker 2: The this thing is gonna go ninety minutes and if
Speaker 2: it sucks, I'm gonna feel I'm gonna like I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be up here on the stage for ninety minutes, and
Speaker 2: if thirty minutes in, I'm like, oh, everyone in here
Speaker 2: hates it. I gotta just keep going, like the curage,
Speaker 2: like that courage is crazy, and yeah, I think it's wild.
Speaker 2: I think it's wild.
Speaker 1: All right. So you said you had a personal an ague.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so so Colin. And I know this will
Speaker 2: this will sound confusing to you, but you know, I
Speaker 2: might have a reason for you to check Kansas City
Speaker 2: off your list of cities you haven't been to, because
Speaker 2: I in the spring am getting married in Kansas City.
Speaker 2: And now you might say, Nick you're married, and technically
Speaker 2: yes I am. However, you don't I think know this
Speaker 2: about me? Why my wife and I never had a wedding,
Speaker 2: didn't have any money. We had set aside money for
Speaker 2: a wedding, and then I got the job in Houston
Speaker 2: and so we moved, and the money we set aside
Speaker 2: for the wedding, we said, should we use it on
Speaker 2: a house? And she said yes, so we use it
Speaker 2: on down payment for a house. So she and I
Speaker 2: didn't quite a lope. But I mean we got married
Speaker 2: in Reno, Nevada with tw people there, and so it
Speaker 2: has always been promised that on or around our ten
Speaker 2: year anniversary we will have an actual, not a vow renewal,
Speaker 2: but a full blown wedding. Buddy, So we're having a
Speaker 2: full blown wedding there. There will be pomp and circumstance.
Speaker 2: And while you will get an official invitation in the mail,
Speaker 2: I'm delivering it to you now as you can be
Speaker 2: part of my la contingent that goes to the wedding.
Speaker 1: I didn't know Kansas City had an airport because my
Speaker 1: entire life, I've never walked through an airport and seen
Speaker 1: a sign to Kansas City. I swear to God, now
Speaker 1: I'm in Salt Lake all the time because I have
Speaker 1: a place in Park City. I see London, I see Paris,
Speaker 1: I've never seen.
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. You know, what's very funny. So
Speaker 2: up until a year ago, not only did Kantady have
Speaker 2: an airport, I would argue, we had the greatest airport.
Speaker 2: And here's why. Now, literally no restaurants, literally no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no restaurants. There's no there. There might there was like
Speaker 2: one peaked coffee shop. But here's how it worked. Every
Speaker 2: gate you got out of your car, you walked into
Speaker 2: the airport, you walked to your gate, and each gate
Speaker 2: had its own security just for the gate. So there
Speaker 2: was no security line because every every gate there was
Speaker 2: eighteen gates, eighteen little X ray machines and whatever it is,
Speaker 2: it would you would, honest to god, you could walk
Speaker 2: get out of your car at seven o'clock and be
Speaker 2: sitting and you know, waiting for your plane at seven
Speaker 2: oh four. It was the most convenient airport in the world.
Speaker 2: But because there was literally no restaurants and no amenities whatever,
Speaker 2: a lot of plays didn't fly into it. And so
Speaker 2: much to my chagrin, they redid it, and now it's
Speaker 2: big and fancy and there's restaurants and whatever, and I
Speaker 2: hate it. Everybody loves it, but I hate it. It's
Speaker 2: like a big international airport now. But it says it's
Speaker 2: not my charming kans at the airport. But yes, it
Speaker 2: has an airport. And yeah, and I'm getting married to
Speaker 2: my lovely wife and it's I know, it's weird said
Speaker 2: I'm getting married to my wife, but I am. And
Speaker 2: so we're doing that in the spring and it'll be
Speaker 2: a hell of a time. It'll be a big party,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It might be the social
Speaker 2: event unless Kelsey and Swift get married. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: the social event of the year in Kansas City. Not
Speaker 2: a lot of big social events. Come on, give me
Speaker 2: a rick. The volume