WEBVTT - Audrey Hepburn: Death of an Icon

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on thirty fourth Street in Manhattan, outside Macy's at

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<v Speaker 1>Harold Square. I worked here more than twenty five years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and on one faithful day as a twenty three year old,

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<v Speaker 1>I came face to face with bona fide old time

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood stardom, sort of face to face. Let's go inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Macy's was my first job. When I arrived in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>I worked behind the counter as a fragrant specialist for Channel.

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<v Speaker 1>I was not a spritzer. Spritzer's were the male models

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<v Speaker 1>in front of the counter debait to lure customers so

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<v Speaker 1>that I could dazzle them with my knowledge of the

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<v Speaker 1>product line. Can I help you, ma'am? H Channel number nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>You do know who wears number twenty two? The Queen Mother.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear she smells great. You're a French teacher, Well

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<v Speaker 1>you have no choice. You have to wear Chanelle number five,

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<v Speaker 1>Coco or the Divarsay looking to get her groove back. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an ou de toilette. No, it's not literally toilet water.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people run screaming when they see anybody standing there

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<v Speaker 1>with a fragrance bottle, and they didn't when they saw you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my former supervisor Javen Bunch. God, I cannot believe this.

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<v Speaker 1>In that man shouting in disbelief is salesman Park Salons

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<v Speaker 1>and my former colleague Raymond Ramirez, and I've been wishing

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<v Speaker 1>to know since nineteen eighty eight. You were like the

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<v Speaker 1>cal Ripken of Chanel at Macy's Baseball Reverence. So one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things I remember is that occasionally celebrity stars

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<v Speaker 1>would walk through. I got to see Share the opera

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<v Speaker 1>diva Jess Norman, before you is Elizabeth Taylor. I got

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<v Speaker 1>to see Lena Horn. But for me, the one truly

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<v Speaker 1>magical moment took place in April of nineteen ninety two

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<v Speaker 1>during the annual Flower Show. I was right behind the counter,

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<v Speaker 1>yes right, yes, when when she and by she I

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<v Speaker 1>mean Audrey Hepburn walked floated by my counter. Yes, Audrey Hepburn.

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<v Speaker 1>I will cherish my visit here in memory as long

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<v Speaker 1>as I live. When I say she floated by, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not just talking about her impossibly perfect posture, which indeed

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<v Speaker 1>made it seem like she was being pulled by a string.

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<v Speaker 1>It was more than that. I've met a lot of stars,

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<v Speaker 1>and most of them kind of disappoint She didn't more

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<v Speaker 1>than gracefulness. She exuded grace. I do remember that day.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you remember, Oh my god, I remember that,

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<v Speaker 1>the excitement, I remember the sack excitement. Sure, but the

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<v Speaker 1>floor became very quiet when she floated through, like the

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<v Speaker 1>world came to a stop. There was this reverence among

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<v Speaker 1>everybody on the floor. No one would have tried to

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<v Speaker 1>get that right. And that's a difference too. Even if

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<v Speaker 1>selfie's existed a smartphones, you never would have thought to

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<v Speaker 1>like wrap your arm around her and put your shove

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<v Speaker 1>your hand in front of her face. He wouldn't go

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<v Speaker 1>near miss Heathburn. And that's who she would have been

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<v Speaker 1>more than a quarter century after her passing. Yes, it's

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<v Speaker 1>been that long. The image of Hepburn in a black

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<v Speaker 1>dress and sunglasses having breakfast outside Tiffany's is as identifiable

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<v Speaker 1>as Marilyn Monroe standing above a subway grate or James

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<v Speaker 1>Dean in his red jacket. But our attachment to Audrey

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<v Speaker 1>feels special, more intimate. Let's find out why. Along the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take you to some unusual places and we'll cross

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<v Speaker 1>paths or some unexpected people, like say a former president

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States. Were you aware that the day

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<v Speaker 1>of your inauguration, Audrey Hepburn died. No, you didn't know that. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Mo Rocca, and this is mobituaries. This mobid the

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<v Speaker 1>timeless Audrey Hepburn January twentieth, nineteen ninety three, Death of

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<v Speaker 1>an icon. When I started on this podcast, I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of made a promise to myself that I wouldn't get

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<v Speaker 1>too gushy or hagiographic about any of the people I

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<v Speaker 1>was profiling. But I may have to make an exception

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<v Speaker 1>because we're talking about Audrey Hepburn. This episode is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a little unconventional, more a series of vignettes

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<v Speaker 1>than a womb to tomb biography. Now, Like I said

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning, the connection to Audrey is personal for people.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, not too long ago, I was feeling especially reflective,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I tweeted, Because what's the point of reflecting

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't let your followers know it. I went

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and tweeted, how did we drift so far from

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<v Speaker 1>Audrey Hepburn? Can we ever get back? Quite The response?

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<v Speaker 1>One person answered, no way, there is no comparison. Another wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>she was not of this world wer than an I'm

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<v Speaker 1>than you in style she's now been gone twenty five years.

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<v Speaker 1>She's become a legend. Sean Hepburn Ferrer is Audrey Hepburn's

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<v Speaker 1>older son from her first marriage to actor Melfarrere. Audrey

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<v Speaker 1>Hepburn is not the movie star from Hollywood. Audrey Hepburn

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<v Speaker 1>is the young girl from across the landing who puts

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<v Speaker 1>on a little black dress and goes out into the world.

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<v Speaker 1>And she represents us, not them, and we're rooting for her,

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<v Speaker 1>and we do root for her. Somehow she manages to

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<v Speaker 1>be both aspirational and totally accessible, whether she's the chauffeur's

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<v Speaker 1>daughter who dazzles the industry tycoon and his brother in

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<v Speaker 1>Sabrina or Sabrina or Sabrina, Where have You've been? On

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<v Speaker 1>My Life? Right over the garage? Eliza Doolittle in My

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<v Speaker 1>Fair Lady. The difference between a lady and a fogle

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<v Speaker 1>is not how she behaves, but how she's treated. Or

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<v Speaker 1>my personal favorite, the bohemian bookworm turned fashion model in

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<v Speaker 1>Funny Face? How could I be a model? I have

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<v Speaker 1>no illusions about my looks. I think my face is funny. No,

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<v Speaker 1>she wasn't a bombshell like Marilyn Monroe or Elizabeth Taylor,

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<v Speaker 1>but what may have seemed funny to her was considered

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<v Speaker 1>an ideal to many. Oh God, I didn't think I

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<v Speaker 1>was ever going to look like anyone in a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course when I saw a Funny Face with

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<v Speaker 1>Audrey Hepfron, I definitely wished I looked like her. In

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eleven, I interviewed the late great wit Nora Ephron.

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<v Speaker 1>She wrote, when Harry met Sally and directed Sleepless in Seattle,

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<v Speaker 1>and had I known we were going to talk about this,

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<v Speaker 1>I would be wearing right now my black turtleneck sweater,

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<v Speaker 1>which almost looks like the one she wore in Funny Face.

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<v Speaker 1>Nora went on to tell me this terrific story. When

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<v Speaker 1>she was sixteen, she visited Edith Head, the great costume

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<v Speaker 1>designer of Hollywood's Golden Age, and Edith Head then took

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<v Speaker 1>me to see her famous dressing room, which had thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six panels of mirror for every ten degrees. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a completely circular room, and she said that there was

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<v Speaker 1>only one person who can stand in that room and

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<v Speaker 1>look good in all thirty six mirrors. Then it was

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<v Speaker 1>Audrey Hepburn. That is great. If I were a geometry teacher.

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<v Speaker 1>I would use that. Yes, there was no one like

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<v Speaker 1>her ever. The charm was who she was. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>seen anything like it. It's striking that Nora Ephron, who

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<v Speaker 1>had perfectly articulated opinions about pretty much everything, had trouble

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<v Speaker 1>describing what it was about Audrey hepburn that was so captivating.

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<v Speaker 1>Ditto the normally unflappable Johnny Carson. Audrey appeared on the

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<v Speaker 1>Tonight Show in nineteen seventy six, and it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>wild watching Carson in his sidekick. Ed McMahon reduced to

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<v Speaker 1>anxious schoolboys as they get ready to welcome her onto

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<v Speaker 1>the show the first time she's been on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>And would you believe I'm a little nervous really what

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<v Speaker 1>I had not to put you now all? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I would believe that because I would feel the sandwich.

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<v Speaker 1>She's kind of very, very special, special. She's delicate, thank you. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the word I was going to use, delicate, delicate?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you walk in place, miss Audrey Hepburnie? And as

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<v Speaker 1>I always like to say, I never really saw anyone

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<v Speaker 1>truly misbehave in front of her. How do you think

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<v Speaker 1>she felt about being called delicate and She must have

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<v Speaker 1>smirked because she knew that she was not because of

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<v Speaker 1>what she lived through. And Audrey Hepburn lived through a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe the reason she pulled off all those Cinderella rolls

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<v Speaker 1>so beautifully was that her own early life was something

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<v Speaker 1>of a fairy tale. And I don't mean the Disney kind.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking grim. I never led what people sink is

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<v Speaker 1>this glamorous life. I've always been me. I've always been

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<v Speaker 1>aware of what goes on in the world. And I

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly grew up in a war ravaged country, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>always known, you know that I was privileged and NATO

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<v Speaker 1>always seeing suffering, known about it. And that hasn't changed.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's still the same old old. Audrey Hepburn was

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<v Speaker 1>born in Brussels, Belgium, on May fourth, nineteen twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Her father was a banker and her mother a Dutch aristocrat.

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<v Speaker 1>She spent some of her youth in the UK, where

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<v Speaker 1>she trained as a dancer and where her parents were

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<v Speaker 1>supporters of the Fascist movement. After her father abandoned the

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<v Speaker 1>family and as war loomed, Audrey moved with her mother

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<v Speaker 1>to neutral Holland. Soon after the Nazis invaded this is

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<v Speaker 1>the Columbia Broadcasting System. Hipler added another to his bag

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<v Speaker 1>of small nations today, the fifth and fourteen months, when

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<v Speaker 1>the Dutch Army laid down its arms everywhere except in

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<v Speaker 1>the extreme southwestern part of the country. In spite of

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<v Speaker 1>her parents pre war politics, Audrey, as a young teenager,

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<v Speaker 1>did what she could to help the resistance, like raising

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<v Speaker 1>funds through secret dance performances. The war was a lasting

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<v Speaker 1>trauma for her, as her hometown of Arnham became a battlefield.

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<v Speaker 1>As reported here by Walter Cronkite, the tragedy a resupply

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<v Speaker 1>now bassets Arnham brigades protecting landing zones are under withering

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<v Speaker 1>German attack. Hepburn talked about her wartime experience during her

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<v Speaker 1>American television debut in nineteen fifty one on a show

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<v Speaker 1>called We the People. She was twenty two years old,

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<v Speaker 1>Ladies and gentlemen, telling you her own story. Broadway's latest star,

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<v Speaker 1>Audrey Hepburn. It's her first time on Broadway. She's starring

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<v Speaker 1>in a play called Gigi, the precursor to the musical,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's understandably excited. This is a wonderful Christmas for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Irreculusly I'm in New York a Broadway. But then the

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<v Speaker 1>own shifts as Hepburn begins to reenact what happened to

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<v Speaker 1>her during the war. The Christmas I want to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you about is the one that took place here Arnum Holland,

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<v Speaker 1>seven years ago. It's pretty surreal. Hepburn is basically playing

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<v Speaker 1>herself as a fifteen year old. She talks about how

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<v Speaker 1>her uncle was executed by the Nazis and how her

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<v Speaker 1>family nearly starved. And there was the morning of December

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourth when finally my aunt told us there wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a scrap of food left in the house. Well, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>heard one could sleep and forget hunger. Perhaps I could

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<v Speaker 1>see ball through Christmas. I try, But there's a Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>miracle when the Resistance sends a delivery ten potatoes, the

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<v Speaker 1>most wonderful and most beautiful thing I ever saw. It

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<v Speaker 1>may sound a bit melodramatic to you, but ten potatoes

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<v Speaker 1>would have been a prize. Hepburn suffered severe malnourishment during

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<v Speaker 1>what was known as the Dutch Famine. Under German occupation.

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<v Speaker 1>Much of the populace had reached the starvation level. The

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<v Speaker 1>Nazis blocked the food supply to over four million civilians.

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<v Speaker 1>More than twenty thousand died the lack of fulgum's day

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<v Speaker 1>after day after day, and it's a long torture. Luca

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<v Speaker 1>Dotty is Hepburn's younger son from her second marriage to

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<v Speaker 1>Italian psychiatrist Andrea Dotti. He says that during the war,

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<v Speaker 1>Audrey and her family were so desperate for food they

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<v Speaker 1>had to make flower out of tulip bulbs. By the

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<v Speaker 1>time Holland was liberated, she weighed only eighty eight pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Did that stress stay with her for the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>her life? Obviously yes, but she he did very well.

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<v Speaker 1>All her life was a search of stability. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>home it was very important. Luca wrote a book a

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<v Speaker 1>few years back about their home life and her favorite recipes,

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<v Speaker 1>a surprise best seller times and times over. People were

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<v Speaker 1>surprised that my mother who actually they were surprised by

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that she actually atees. I think Luca's half

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<v Speaker 1>choking here a nod to the speculation that his mother,

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<v Speaker 1>who was very thin, may have had an eating disorder.

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<v Speaker 1>But Luca swears by her love of pasta and chocolate,

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<v Speaker 1>which she associated with the Allied liberation of Holland. My

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<v Speaker 1>mother was then a survivor, and when you are you

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<v Speaker 1>always have this duality. You know, you're happy you're alive,

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<v Speaker 1>but then you have this sense of guilts because the

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<v Speaker 1>person next door didn't make it. And for Hepburn, one

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<v Speaker 1>of those people, while not a literal next door neighbor,

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<v Speaker 1>was another Dutch girl. Audrey Hepburn felt a special connection

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<v Speaker 1>to someone you wouldn't necessarily expect. Are you speaking of

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<v Speaker 1>An Frank. I'm speaking of An Frank. You have an

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<v Speaker 1>affinity for that story, don't you. I do in a

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<v Speaker 1>way because we both lived through the same war, exactly

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<v Speaker 1>the same age. I was born, the same year Anne

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<v Speaker 1>Frank was born. That's Audrey Hepburn speaking to CBS in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty nine. But she became acquainted with the story

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<v Speaker 1>of Anne Frank far earlier, earlier than almost anyone. I

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<v Speaker 1>read the diary in Dutch in galiform when it was

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<v Speaker 1>still being edited, and it was one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>devastating experiences I've ever had, because more than just reading

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<v Speaker 1>a book, it was like having the whole war played

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<v Speaker 1>back to me. She obviously was locked up inside. I

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<v Speaker 1>was outside, and here was somebody who had been able

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<v Speaker 1>to put on paper everything I'd felt during those years,

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<v Speaker 1>and was it destroyed me. I must saying it has

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<v Speaker 1>stayed an extremely emotional experience for me. Luca calls mother

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<v Speaker 1>and Anne Frank soul sisters. And I had no idea

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<v Speaker 1>that Otto Frank, Anne's father actually wanted Hepburn to play

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<v Speaker 1>his daughter on screen. He even visited her home in

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<v Speaker 1>Switzerland to try to persuade her. There's this striking photo

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<v Speaker 1>of Hepburn, Otto Frank and his second wife posing outside

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<v Speaker 1>Hepburn's home. But she said no to the role. Why

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<v Speaker 1>did she turn it down because it was much too

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<v Speaker 1>close to what she lived through. She thought he would

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<v Speaker 1>kill her. She actually believed that it would somehow, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kill her to do it, because she felt so close

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<v Speaker 1>to her and she was crushed that she made it

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<v Speaker 1>and Frank didn't. Both her sons talked to me about

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<v Speaker 1>the lifelong impact of the war on their mother. My

0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.600
<v Speaker 1>mother once said, you know, if I get through this alive,

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<v Speaker 1>I will never ever complain anymore. And this is something

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<v Speaker 1>she actually did. My mother was never complaining, even in

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<v Speaker 1>the worst situations, and I think that this is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons why she wanted to do then, is

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<v Speaker 1>that she remembered so vividly herself and her emotions as

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<v Speaker 1>a little girl and living through the war, and so's

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<v Speaker 1>there's this empathy thing going on. Long before Angelina, there

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<v Speaker 1>was Audrey, traveling the globe in the nineteen eighties and

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<v Speaker 1>nineties raising awareness about the world's poorest, actively lobbying governments

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<v Speaker 1>to help children in need. While she appeared in a

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<v Speaker 1>few films here and there, it was her charitable work

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<v Speaker 1>that defined her later years as a good will ambassador

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<v Speaker 1>for Uni Seth. She really was one of the world's

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<v Speaker 1>most prominent celebrity humanitarians. She never forgot the relief that

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<v Speaker 1>came at the end of the war. Is there a

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<v Speaker 1>point at which our well of compassion might run dry?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think never? I don't think that's It's not

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<v Speaker 1>in human nature. Giving is and giving is life living.

0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you stopped wanting to give, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's nothing more to live for. The darkness of her

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<v Speaker 1>wartime experience may seem like the polar opposite of the

0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:14.119
<v Speaker 1>light she emits on screen. And yet I'm wondering if

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<v Speaker 1>this combination of yearning and gratitude is what still draws

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<v Speaker 1>us today, because those things really seem to show up

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<v Speaker 1>on screen, and it did show. It did show through

0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:32.760
<v Speaker 1>her eyes, it did show in her genuinity and simplicity,

0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.440
<v Speaker 1>and people realize it's true. So it's very hard to define,

0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:42.280
<v Speaker 1>but you define it very well. After talking with Luca

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<v Speaker 1>and Sean and learning what her mother went through, I

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<v Speaker 1>went back and rewatched some of her movies and now

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<v Speaker 1>I see her story in those performances as the wound,

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<v Speaker 1>did Holly go lightly looking for a better life? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's horrible. Suddenly you're afraid, you don't know what you're

0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Freda as Princess Anne, who feels a genuine joy on

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<v Speaker 1>her Roman holiday and decide caffine looking shop windows, look

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<v Speaker 1>in the rain. It's no coincidence that in the screen

0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:16.640
<v Speaker 1>test that launched her. You can watch it yourself, it's

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<v Speaker 1>on YouTube, she's talking about the war, the world, the bed,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we weren't going to leave this out. There's

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<v Speaker 1>wait until Dark. Audrey Hepburn the role you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>remember whenever you're alone. Hepburn plays a blind woman who

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<v Speaker 1>is terrorized inside her home. Co star Alan Arkin plays

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<v Speaker 1>her tormentor and supposedly hated doing the tormenting I mean,

0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:50.679
<v Speaker 1>who wants it to be mean to Audrey Eppburn. The

0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:55.439
<v Speaker 1>scenes were intense, and Audrey, quite possibly channeling her wartime experience,

0:19:55.880 --> 0:20:01.760
<v Speaker 1>endures the struggle and survives. Listen. There were plenty of

0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:05.000
<v Speaker 1>other talented actresses in the nineteen fifties and sixties, and

0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:07.200
<v Speaker 1>they were beautiful too. Some of them were supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be the next Audrey Hepburn, Millie Perkins, Maggie McNamara, Susan Strasburg,

0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:18.000
<v Speaker 1>but they hadn't lived through what Audrey lived through. Peter Bogdanovitch,

0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:22.160
<v Speaker 1>who directed Hepburn, summed up perfectly when he called her

0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:30.639
<v Speaker 1>an iron butterfly. All this may go some way towards

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<v Speaker 1>explaining Audrey Hepburn's hold on us, but I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>more to the story. For that, we'll head to where else, Japan.

0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:43.879
<v Speaker 1>But first we've made clear there were no other Audrey Hepburn's,

0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:48.240
<v Speaker 1>but there was one other, very famous Hepburn. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a moment to settle something. Audrey Hepburn is not

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<v Speaker 1>Katherine Hepburn. It reminds me of that disambiguation alert that

0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.600
<v Speaker 1>you get on Wikipedia or Google. You know, did you

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<v Speaker 1>mean now if you are one of those people who

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<v Speaker 1>confuses Katherine with Audrey, you probably stopped listening to me

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<v Speaker 1>ten minutes ago. Otherwise, it's never too late to disambiguate.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh we're going to talk about me. Good. Are they related? No,

0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.200
<v Speaker 1>they are not sisters. They are not even third cousins.

0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Who was older Katherine by twenty two years? But who

0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.920
<v Speaker 1>wore the pants? Well they both did, and quite well,

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<v Speaker 1>I should add. Then there are the very distinctive Hepburn's

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<v Speaker 1>speech patterns. Guess who's coming to dinner. If you've never

0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:44.040
<v Speaker 1>heard Katherine's mid Atlantic affect, you've probably heard Martin Short

0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:47.720
<v Speaker 1>doing Katherine Hepburn's mid Atlantic affect. Well, that kind of

0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:52.160
<v Speaker 1>talk will get you. No, I missed out. Now, Audrey's

0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.560
<v Speaker 1>accent was always a little harder to place. Did I

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<v Speaker 1>tell you how divinely and utterly happy I am? I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it was a British, Dutch, American bland. You know,

0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.040
<v Speaker 1>I'd just like to hear her say things. Why didn't

0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:09.160
<v Speaker 1>you say something, Sarah dipity right? Suddenly, not only would

0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:10.879
<v Speaker 1>they not be playing scrabble, it would also not be

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<v Speaker 1>playing by cheesy chicken stock plugs. The Journey of Nattigan

0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:19.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm having much too much fun. We hope you are

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<v Speaker 1>to stay tuned for more Audrey after this. Just before

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<v Speaker 1>my stint working at Macy's, I was living in Japan,

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<v Speaker 1>where I studied kabuki. Yes really, I taught English on

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<v Speaker 1>the side. Because it was the early nineties, I had

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<v Speaker 1>no other income, and a cup of coffee in Tokyo

0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:50.200
<v Speaker 1>costs about twelve dollars. One of my students, a very

0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:53.280
<v Speaker 1>nice woman named Ritzko, asked me out to a movie.

0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:55.600
<v Speaker 1>It may have been a date, I still don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>We ended up going to an Audrey Hepburn film festival.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw How to Steal a Million co starring Peter O'Toole.

0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:09.679
<v Speaker 1>You went us in a big time paper heist. A

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:12.920
<v Speaker 1>life sized cardboard cut out of Audrey greeted us at

0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.960
<v Speaker 1>the festival Entrance. Fans post for pictures next to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we've talked about the personal attachment a lot of

0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.880
<v Speaker 1>fans have for her. Well, in Japan, the Audrey love

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<v Speaker 1>is deep. There's this famous all female theater troupe there

0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:34.480
<v Speaker 1>called Takaraska. They staged a musical version of Roman Holidays.

0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:42.240
<v Speaker 1>And get this, Hepburn was ranked above Gandhi in a

0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:46.159
<v Speaker 1>Japanese poll on the most well liked historical figures. What

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<v Speaker 1>is the deal with your mother and Japan? The connection?

0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:54.119
<v Speaker 1>It's intense, It's very intense. Little by little I understood

0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:58.200
<v Speaker 1>there was a sincere devotion. There's no other word for it,

0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:01.040
<v Speaker 1>and Luca would know. He told me that it was

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<v Speaker 1>through Japanese fan mail and small tokens like origami that

0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:08.600
<v Speaker 1>he first began to grasp his mother's fame. During his

0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:12.479
<v Speaker 1>childhood in Rome, he would watch Japanese tourists trying to

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<v Speaker 1>follow in his mother's film star footsteps. Audrey Hepburn now

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<v Speaker 1>welcomes you to Rome as the captive princess who goes

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<v Speaker 1>out on the town to have some fun. And they

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<v Speaker 1>came to Rome to retrace the Roman Holiday, every scene

0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:30.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, and the vise by and the ice great

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<v Speaker 1>and the fountain and this sent deats in case you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen Roman Holiday, it's the movie that won Hepburn

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<v Speaker 1>her oscar. She plays Princess Anne, who's visiting Rome on

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<v Speaker 1>a royal tour and ends up playing hooky for the

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<v Speaker 1>day while pretending to be a commoner. She falls in

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<v Speaker 1>love with an American journalist played by Gregory Peck I

0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 1>could do some things. I've always wanted to blake what oh,

0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:57.199
<v Speaker 1>you can't imagine. I like to just whatever. I like.

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<v Speaker 1>Holiday long. When the Japanese saw Roman Holiday, it was

0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:09.560
<v Speaker 1>love at first sight. It was nineteen fifty three, the

0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:12.679
<v Speaker 1>war was still a recent memory, and American culture was

0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:16.520
<v Speaker 1>really just starting to take root in Japan. The Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>connection to the film may have something to do with

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:24.360
<v Speaker 1>the importance of duty. You see spoiler alert, Princess Anne

0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 1>tearfully leaves her true love to return to her royal world,

0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:31.960
<v Speaker 1>not a Hollywood ending. I have to leave you now.

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to that corner. That done. You stay in

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:46.080
<v Speaker 1>the gun drive away. It was very understandable for Japanese.

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<v Speaker 1>Taki Kato lives in Japan and was a young girl

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<v Speaker 1>when Roman Holiday premiered, But Order Helper we could identify

0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:59.640
<v Speaker 1>with how they say so charming, so natural for us,

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<v Speaker 1>was so cute, and the Japanese tend to like someone

0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:09.480
<v Speaker 1>who's cute. And apparently the Japanese found Hepburn's pixie haircut

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:12.960
<v Speaker 1>cuter than Hello Kitty. Hepburn talked about it in a

0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Dutch TV interview in nineteen eighty eight, and actually it

0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 1>caused a bit of a fjor, especially in Japan, with

0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:23.720
<v Speaker 1>the film was an enormous success, still is today, because

0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:27.000
<v Speaker 1>they're all girls have very long hair and it was

0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:29.880
<v Speaker 1>part of the tradition and they'll cut off their hair,

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 1>and I was held responsible. Yes, that's very true. Taki

0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 1>went on to become a show business coordinator in Tokyo.

0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:41.600
<v Speaker 1>She worked with a lot of big names, Frank Snatche,

0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Harry Barafonte, Ringosta, and as you may have guessed, miss

0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Ldre Hepburn. In a surprise move, Hepburn left Hollywood when

0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:52.200
<v Speaker 1>she was still very much in demand in the late

0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties to live abroad and focus on motherhood. But

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:59.280
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy one, Taki helped negotiate to get her

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<v Speaker 1>back in of the camera, this time for Japanese commercials.

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:06.919
<v Speaker 1>It's that lost in translation thing where Americans appeared in

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:10.040
<v Speaker 1>ads that were never broadcast in the US, which was

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:15.040
<v Speaker 1>very very sensational Hinchapan, of course, and the commercials was

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 1>very fashionable. Incidentally, she was advertising high end wigs. But

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't until nineteen eighty three that Audrey Hepburn actually

0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:30.440
<v Speaker 1>went to Japan. The occasion a fashion show for her

0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:34.640
<v Speaker 1>dear friend and designer Hubert de Givanshi. Quick side note,

0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:38.919
<v Speaker 1>The Givanschi fashion show in funny Face is a magical sequence.

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<v Speaker 1>When Hepburn landed in Tokyo, it was like Princess Anne

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 1>from Roman Holiday had finally arrived. Hepburn was naturally exhausted

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 1>after a very long flight, and she worried that she

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:53.400
<v Speaker 1>might disappoint fans who were accustomed to seeing her as

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:57.160
<v Speaker 1>a young woman on screen. So she said to me, Taki,

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:02.280
<v Speaker 1>I am very sad. If the Japanese fans look at

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 1>me in that tired face, they may not like me anymore.

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Talkie told her friend not to worry, that Japanese fans

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:14.200
<v Speaker 1>would always love her, and she said, I still remember

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:20.120
<v Speaker 1>her big smile. Taki. Okay, you're right. Taki and Audrey

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:23.920
<v Speaker 1>remained friends for years. I have about thirty letters from her.

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 1>This must be in nineteen eighty three, after she left Japan.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I have now almost recovered from my jet lag,

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 1>but will never get over Japan. Never, she underlines, none

0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 1>of us will ever be the same again. Exclamation mark

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 1>three of them. She told me, Taki, perhaps in the

0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 1>past years in the in my ancestor era. I might

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 1>have in a Japanese Hepburn may have been joking here,

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 1>but she understood that there was a bond. So to

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 1>test this notion of devotion, we sent a producer to

0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 1>this Audrey Hepburn photo exhibition happening in a department store

0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 1>just outside Tokyo, and one of the women waiting in

0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 1>line likened Hepburn to a goddess. Another lady talked about

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:27.040
<v Speaker 1>a sense of elegance and her quote straight spine that

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 1>goes like tis a day and you'll remember. That's what

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 1>I remembered from that day at Macy's when I caught

0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 1>a glimpse of Audrey Hepburn back in nineteen ninety two.

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 1>I had no way of knowing how little time she

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:53.640
<v Speaker 1>had left. In September, she was diagnosed with cancer of

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 1>the appendix, and she died on January twentieth, nineteen ninety three.

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 1>I would have thought it would have been front page news.

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 1>I did front page, even above the fold, yes, I

0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 1>still think in newspaper terms. But someone else was front

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>and center that day. I William Jefferson Clinton, who solemnly

0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>swear that I will faithfully execute the office President of

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 1>the United States. Yep, Bill Clinton kind of stole her spotlight.

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Were you aware that the day of your inauguration, Audrey

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Hepburn died. No, you didn't know that. No, it didn't

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 1>look I didn't. It was a fairly busy time. I

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:41.120
<v Speaker 1>didn't sleep for two days. Understandably, he'd been a little distracted.

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 1>So to jog his memory, I brought along an old

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 1>copy of The New York Times. She was only sixty three. Yeah,

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:49.240
<v Speaker 1>I remember then. I remember how young I thought she was.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think about it being my inaugural. They yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she's like she they put her back here. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>a nice spread. She was amazing. I loved her. I

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<v Speaker 1>love Roman Holiday, I love Funny Face, I love Sabrina.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the remake because I like the first one

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<v Speaker 1>so much. That may be pushing it. Oh that is yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's definitely a stretch. That's Karen James. She's a culture

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<v Speaker 1>critic and on January twentieth, nineteen ninety three, she was

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<v Speaker 1>working for The New York Times when she was assigned

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<v Speaker 1>Audrey Hepburn's obituary. So I'm going to show you it's

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<v Speaker 1>been a long time since you've seen it. I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>read this obituary in years. I glanced at it. What

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<v Speaker 1>did I say? I think? I said she was elegant

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<v Speaker 1>and graceful. You do use those words. Audiences were enchanted

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<v Speaker 1>by her combination of grace, elegance, and high spirits, and

0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 1>she won an Academy Award as Best Actress. You were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Roman Holiday. There. In a string of films

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<v Speaker 1>that followed, she continued to play the lie, the young

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<v Speaker 1>thing with stars in her eyes and the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>make Cinderella transformations. I stand by that. But there's a

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<v Speaker 1>whole story behind this obituary. So Karen's in the news

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<v Speaker 1>the day of the inauguration, and at about five in

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<v Speaker 1>the afternoon, when all the top editors were in the

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<v Speaker 1>Page one meeting putting together the front page, the deputy

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<v Speaker 1>Culture editor came running over to my desk and said,

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<v Speaker 1>thank goodness you're here. Katherine Hepburn is dead and we

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<v Speaker 1>have a ten year old obituary. Can you rewrite it?

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<v Speaker 1>And they were tearing apart in page one because they

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<v Speaker 1>thought Katherine Hepburn was dead. So we walk over to

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<v Speaker 1>the Culture news desk. You're looking very mystified for a

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<v Speaker 1>good reason. I really am. We went to the news

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<v Speaker 1>desk and said, how do we know she's dead? And

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 1>someone said, oh, the Uwen called to tell us, and

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 1>it was like one of those cartoon moments where you

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<v Speaker 1>saw the lightbulbs go on over everyone's head and we

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<v Speaker 1>realized it was Audrey, not Katherine. Before the world to

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<v Speaker 1>knew the word disambiguation, you experienced it, That's right, I

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<v Speaker 1>did firsthand. Did you mean Audrey Hepburn or Katherine Hepburn.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. They were so relieved that they did not

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<v Speaker 1>have to tear apart page one for Audrey Hepburn's obituary

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<v Speaker 1>that Katherine Hepburn would have warranted tearing apart a page one,

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<v Speaker 1>even though that page one was about a presidential inauguration exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>They would have found room for her on page one,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were doing it. But when I heard it

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<v Speaker 1>was Audrey, immediately what they said to me was, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>can you write Audrey's obituary? I feel like this is

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of mistake that Audrey Hepburn would have been

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<v Speaker 1>really gracious about. Katherine Hepburn would not have been pleased about,

0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:49.480
<v Speaker 1>because Katherine Hepburn did not suffer fools. No, she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>well it's a lovely oh bit, so it does. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem like a rush job. I mean, really, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad to hear that, because I felt bad after

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<v Speaker 1>that I didn't have time to give her, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the atention I would have if I'd known. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of remarkable when you read your oh bed that

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<v Speaker 1>her career was basically fourteen years long. I mean nineteen

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 1>fifty three to nineteen sixty seven. There was a little

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:15.400
<v Speaker 1>stuff before, a little stuff afterward. I just have the

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:18.320
<v Speaker 1>impression she wasn't one of those people who had to act.

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<v Speaker 1>There are people who really feel like they have to

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<v Speaker 1>do it no matter what. And she had other things

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<v Speaker 1>to do. She had a family, she had her un work.

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<v Speaker 1>She really didn't feel as driven to do things that

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:34.359
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't really passionately interested in doing. I remember how

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<v Speaker 1>special it felt to watch the Oscars, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in those days, right, and it was an event that

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<v Speaker 1>Audrey Hepburn would show up and float across the stage

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<v Speaker 1>to deliver best costume or whatever, right, partly because she

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't on screen all the time, so when she appeared,

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<v Speaker 1>it really did seem like an event. Why do you

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<v Speaker 1>think people still remember her so fondly. I think there

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<v Speaker 1>was great affection for her at the time, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's but no one like her, since there are

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<v Speaker 1>maybe Audrey Hepburn types there in there, but she was

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<v Speaker 1>so special and so graceful and so elegant in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that was distinctly hers. You know, Karen's story is

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<v Speaker 1>so great, and she's not even an obituary writer. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>she's only written two obits in her life, Audrey Hepburn

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<v Speaker 1>and Katherine Hepburn. Maybe it's weird to feel nostalgic for

0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:32.959
<v Speaker 1>a time you didn't live through. I wasn't around during

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 1>Audrey Hepburn's heyday. And yet on those days when the

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<v Speaker 1>news is particularly dreary and people are being especially awful,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm flipping through the channels and I land on

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<v Speaker 1>one of her movies, I can't help but wonder how

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<v Speaker 1>did we drift so far from Audrey Hepburn. Can we

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<v Speaker 1>ever get back? One can only hope marcle Ary friend

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<v Speaker 1>and me next time on mobituaries. He did it all,

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<v Speaker 1>Sammy Davis Junior. He was everything. I mean, he could

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<v Speaker 1>play any instrument, he could sing, he could dance like

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:33.759
<v Speaker 1>a maniac. You were lovers, you were boyfriend's friends. What

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:36.759
<v Speaker 1>was that like? It was fabulous. He's as talented in

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:42.480
<v Speaker 1>that area as he wasn't he was otherwise. I certainly

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