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Speaker 1: Macy's was my first job. When I arrived in New York.

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Speaker 1: I worked behind the counter as a fragrant specialist for Channel.

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Speaker 1: product line. Can I help you, ma'am? H Channel number nineteen.

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Speaker 1: You do know who wears number twenty two? The Queen Mother.

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Speaker 1: I hear she smells great. You're a French teacher, Well

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Speaker 1: you have no choice. You have to wear Chanelle number five,

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Speaker 1: Coco or the Divarsay looking to get her groove back. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's an ou de toilette. No, it's not literally toilet water.

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Speaker 1: Most people run screaming when they see anybody standing there

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Speaker 1: with a fragrance bottle, and they didn't when they saw you.

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Speaker 1: That's my former supervisor Javen Bunch. God, I cannot believe this.

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Speaker 1: In that man shouting in disbelief is salesman Park Salons

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Speaker 1: and my former colleague Raymond Ramirez, and I've been wishing

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Speaker 1: to know since nineteen eighty eight. You were like the

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Speaker 1: cal Ripken of Chanel at Macy's Baseball Reverence. So one

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Speaker 1: of the things I remember is that occasionally celebrity stars

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Speaker 1: would walk through. I got to see Share the opera

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Speaker 1: diva Jess Norman, before you is Elizabeth Taylor. I got

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Speaker 1: to see Lena Horn. But for me, the one truly

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Speaker 1: magical moment took place in April of nineteen ninety two

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Speaker 1: during the annual Flower Show. I was right behind the counter,

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Speaker 1: yes right, yes, when when she and by she I

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Speaker 1: mean Audrey Hepburn walked floated by my counter. Yes, Audrey Hepburn.

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Speaker 1: I will cherish my visit here in memory as long

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Speaker 1: as I live. When I say she floated by, I'm

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Speaker 1: not just talking about her impossibly perfect posture, which indeed

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Speaker 1: made it seem like she was being pulled by a string.

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Speaker 1: It was more than that. I've met a lot of stars,

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Speaker 1: and most of them kind of disappoint She didn't more

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Speaker 1: than gracefulness. She exuded grace. I do remember that day.

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Speaker 1: What do you remember, Oh my god, I remember that,

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Speaker 1: the excitement, I remember the sack excitement. Sure, but the

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Speaker 1: floor became very quiet when she floated through, like the

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Speaker 1: world came to a stop. There was this reverence among

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Speaker 1: everybody on the floor. No one would have tried to

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Speaker 1: get that right. And that's a difference too. Even if

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Speaker 1: selfie's existed a smartphones, you never would have thought to

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Speaker 1: like wrap your arm around her and put your shove

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Speaker 1: your hand in front of her face. He wouldn't go

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Speaker 1: near miss Heathburn. And that's who she would have been

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Speaker 1: more than a quarter century after her passing. Yes, it's

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Speaker 1: been that long. The image of Hepburn in a black

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Speaker 1: dress and sunglasses having breakfast outside Tiffany's is as identifiable

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Speaker 1: as Marilyn Monroe standing above a subway grate or James

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Speaker 1: Dean in his red jacket. But our attachment to Audrey

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Speaker 1: feels special, more intimate. Let's find out why. Along the way,

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Speaker 1: I'll take you to some unusual places and we'll cross

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Speaker 1: of the United States. Were you aware that the day

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Speaker 1: of your inauguration, Audrey Hepburn died. No, you didn't know that. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm Mo Rocca, and this is mobituaries. This mobid the

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Speaker 1: timeless Audrey Hepburn January twentieth, nineteen ninety three, Death of

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Speaker 1: an icon. When I started on this podcast, I kind

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Speaker 1: of made a promise to myself that I wouldn't get

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Speaker 1: because we're talking about Audrey Hepburn. This episode is going

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Speaker 1: to be a little unconventional, more a series of vignettes

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Speaker 1: One day, not too long ago, I was feeling especially reflective,

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Speaker 1: ahead and tweeted, how did we drift so far from

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Speaker 1: Audrey Hepburn? Can we ever get back? Quite The response?

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Speaker 1: One person answered, no way, there is no comparison. Another wrote,

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Speaker 1: than you in style she's now been gone twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: She's become a legend. Sean Hepburn Ferrer is Audrey Hepburn's

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Speaker 1: Hepburn is not the movie star from Hollywood. Audrey Hepburn

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Speaker 1: twenty eleven, I interviewed the late great wit Nora Ephron.

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Speaker 1: She wrote, when Harry met Sally and directed Sleepless in Seattle,

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Speaker 1: I would be wearing right now my black turtleneck sweater,

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Speaker 1: Nora went on to tell me this terrific story. When

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Speaker 1: Audrey Hepburn. That is great. If I were a geometry teacher.

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Speaker 1: Ditto the normally unflappable Johnny Carson. Audrey appeared on the

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Speaker 1: And would you believe I'm a little nervous really what

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Speaker 1: She's kind of very, very special, special. She's delicate, thank you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's the word I was going to use, delicate, delicate?

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Speaker 1: what she lived through. And Audrey Hepburn lived through a lot.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the reason she pulled off all those Cinderella rolls

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Speaker 1: So it's still the same old old. Audrey Hepburn was

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Speaker 1: Her father was a banker and her mother a Dutch aristocrat.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, telling you her own story. Broadway's latest star,

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Speaker 1: and she's understandably excited. This is a wonderful Christmas for me.

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Speaker 1: what was known as the Dutch Famine. Under German occupation.

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Speaker 1: More than twenty thousand died the lack of fulgum's day

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Speaker 1: Italian psychiatrist Andrea Dotti. He says that during the war,

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Speaker 1: Did that stress stay with her for the rest of

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Speaker 1: All her life was a search of stability. That's why

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Speaker 1: Oh we're going to talk about me. Good. Are they related? No,

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Speaker 1: Who was older Katherine by twenty two years? But who

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Speaker 1: to stay tuned for more Audrey after this. Just before

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Speaker 1: And get this, Hepburn was ranked above Gandhi in a

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Speaker 1: When Hepburn landed in Tokyo, it was like Princess Anne

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Speaker 1: This must be in nineteen eighty three, after she left Japan.

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Speaker 1: I think I have now almost recovered from my jet lag,

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Speaker 1: line likened Hepburn to a goddess. Another lady talked about

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Speaker 1: a sense of elegance and her quote straight spine that

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Speaker 1: goes like tis a day and you'll remember. That's what

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Speaker 1: I remembered from that day at Macy's when I caught

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Speaker 1: a glimpse of Audrey Hepburn back in nineteen ninety two.

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Speaker 1: I had no way of knowing how little time she

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Speaker 1: had left. In September, she was diagnosed with cancer of

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Speaker 1: the appendix, and she died on January twentieth, nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 1: I would have thought it would have been front page news.

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Speaker 1: I did front page, even above the fold, yes, I

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Speaker 1: still think in newspaper terms. But someone else was front

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Speaker 1: and center that day. I William Jefferson Clinton, who solemnly

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Speaker 1: swear that I will faithfully execute the office President of

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Speaker 1: the United States. Yep, Bill Clinton kind of stole her spotlight.

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Speaker 1: Were you aware that the day of your inauguration, Audrey

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Speaker 1: Hepburn died. No, you didn't know that. No, it didn't

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Speaker 1: look I didn't. It was a fairly busy time. I

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Speaker 1: didn't sleep for two days. Understandably, he'd been a little distracted.

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Speaker 1: So to jog his memory, I brought along an old

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Speaker 1: copy of The New York Times. She was only sixty three. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I remember then. I remember how young I thought she was.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think about it being my inaugural. They yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's like she they put her back here. But it's

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Speaker 1: a nice spread. She was amazing. I loved her. I

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Speaker 1: love Roman Holiday, I love Funny Face, I love Sabrina.

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Speaker 1: I like the remake because I like the first one

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Speaker 1: so much. That may be pushing it. Oh that is yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's definitely a stretch. That's Karen James. She's a culture

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Speaker 1: critic and on January twentieth, nineteen ninety three, she was

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Speaker 1: working for The New York Times when she was assigned

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Speaker 1: Audrey Hepburn's obituary. So I'm going to show you it's

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Speaker 1: been a long time since you've seen it. I haven't

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Speaker 1: read this obituary in years. I glanced at it. What

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Speaker 1: did I say? I think? I said she was elegant

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Speaker 1: and graceful. You do use those words. Audiences were enchanted

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Speaker 1: by her combination of grace, elegance, and high spirits, and

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Speaker 1: she won an Academy Award as Best Actress. You were

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Speaker 1: talking about Roman Holiday. There. In a string of films

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Speaker 1: that followed, she continued to play the lie, the young

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Speaker 1: thing with stars in her eyes and the ability to

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Speaker 1: make Cinderella transformations. I stand by that. But there's a

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Speaker 1: whole story behind this obituary. So Karen's in the news

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Speaker 1: the day of the inauguration, and at about five in

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Speaker 1: the afternoon, when all the top editors were in the

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Speaker 1: Page one meeting putting together the front page, the deputy

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Speaker 1: Culture editor came running over to my desk and said,

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Speaker 1: thank goodness you're here. Katherine Hepburn is dead and we

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Speaker 1: have a ten year old obituary. Can you rewrite it?

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Speaker 1: And they were tearing apart in page one because they

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Speaker 1: thought Katherine Hepburn was dead. So we walk over to

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Speaker 1: the Culture news desk. You're looking very mystified for a

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Speaker 1: good reason. I really am. We went to the news

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Speaker 1: desk and said, how do we know she's dead? And

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Speaker 1: someone said, oh, the Uwen called to tell us, and

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Speaker 1: it was like one of those cartoon moments where you

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Speaker 1: saw the lightbulbs go on over everyone's head and we

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Speaker 1: realized it was Audrey, not Katherine. Before the world to

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Speaker 1: knew the word disambiguation, you experienced it, That's right, I

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Speaker 1: did firsthand. Did you mean Audrey Hepburn or Katherine Hepburn.

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Speaker 1: That's right. They were so relieved that they did not

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Speaker 1: have to tear apart page one for Audrey Hepburn's obituary

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Speaker 1: that Katherine Hepburn would have warranted tearing apart a page one,

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Speaker 1: even though that page one was about a presidential inauguration exactly.

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Speaker 1: They would have found room for her on page one,

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Speaker 1: and they were doing it. But when I heard it

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Speaker 1: was Audrey, immediately what they said to me was, oh,

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Speaker 1: can you write Audrey's obituary? I feel like this is

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Speaker 1: the kind of mistake that Audrey Hepburn would have been

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Speaker 1: really gracious about. Katherine Hepburn would not have been pleased about,

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Speaker 1: because Katherine Hepburn did not suffer fools. No, she didn't

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Speaker 1: well it's a lovely oh bit, so it does. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a rush job. I mean, really, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that, because I felt bad after

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Speaker 1: that I didn't have time to give her, you know,

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Speaker 1: the atention I would have if I'd known. And it's

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Speaker 1: kind of remarkable when you read your oh bed that

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Speaker 1: her career was basically fourteen years long. I mean nineteen

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Speaker 1: fifty three to nineteen sixty seven. There was a little

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Speaker 1: stuff before, a little stuff afterward. I just have the

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Speaker 1: impression she wasn't one of those people who had to act.

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Speaker 1: There are people who really feel like they have to

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Speaker 1: do it no matter what. And she had other things

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Speaker 1: to do. She had a family, she had her un work.

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Speaker 1: She really didn't feel as driven to do things that

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Speaker 1: she wasn't really passionately interested in doing. I remember how

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Speaker 1: special it felt to watch the Oscars, and you know,

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Speaker 1: in those days, right, and it was an event that

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Speaker 1: Audrey Hepburn would show up and float across the stage

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Speaker 1: to deliver best costume or whatever, right, partly because she

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Speaker 1: wasn't on screen all the time, so when she appeared,

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Speaker 1: it really did seem like an event. Why do you

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Speaker 1: think people still remember her so fondly. I think there

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Speaker 1: was great affection for her at the time, and I

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Speaker 1: think there's but no one like her, since there are

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Speaker 1: maybe Audrey Hepburn types there in there, but she was

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Speaker 1: so special and so graceful and so elegant in a

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Speaker 1: way that was distinctly hers. You know, Karen's story is

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Speaker 1: so great, and she's not even an obituary writer. In fact,

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Speaker 1: she's only written two obits in her life, Audrey Hepburn

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Speaker 1: and Katherine Hepburn. Maybe it's weird to feel nostalgic for

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Speaker 1: a time you didn't live through. I wasn't around during

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Speaker 1: Audrey Hepburn's heyday. And yet on those days when the

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Speaker 1: news is particularly dreary and people are being especially awful,

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Speaker 1: and I'm flipping through the channels and I land on

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Speaker 1: one of her movies, I can't help but wonder how

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Speaker 1: did we drift so far from Audrey Hepburn. Can we

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Speaker 1: ever get back? One can only hope marcle Ary friend

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Speaker 1: and me next time on mobituaries. He did it all,

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Speaker 1: Sammy Davis Junior. He was everything. I mean, he could

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Speaker 1: play any instrument, he could sing, he could dance like

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Speaker 1: a maniac. You were lovers, you were boyfriend's friends. What

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Speaker 1: was that like? It was fabulous. He's as talented in

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Speaker 1: that area as he wasn't he was otherwise. I certainly

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