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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Surveillance Podcast. I'm Tom Keane along

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Speaker 1: with Jonathan Ferroll and Lisa Brownwitz Jailey. We bring you

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Speaker 1: insight from the best and economics, finance, investment, and international relations.

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Speaker 1: and of course on the Bloomberg terminal. Let's dive in

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Speaker 1: now to the equity markets. Dan Ives will join us

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Speaker 1: here on tech. We're gonna try to have him give

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Speaker 1: us a two hundred dollar top tick on Apple. We're

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Speaker 1: not going to do that with beyond A. Kirschy's co

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Speaker 1: head of investment Strategies, Burnsteain Private Wealth, but she is

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Speaker 1: in the heart of the earning season as our Gina

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Speaker 1: Martin Adams, what is the trajectory of earnings that you

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Speaker 1: seem as Kerr Well, what we see as an earning

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Speaker 1: season that's likely to be more volatile than the last

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Speaker 1: several We're coming off of a substantial rebound and earnings,

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Speaker 1: whereas in prior quarters earnings are up forty percent year

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Speaker 1: over year, the consensus view for twenty two has really

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Speaker 1: moved to a nine percent year over year view. Now

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Speaker 1: that's still positive and that's one of the fundamental underpinnings

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Speaker 1: that's really driving the equity market forward. But like you

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Speaker 1: just said, this is going to be a story of

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Speaker 1: figuring out supply and demand. The demand still appears to

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Speaker 1: be there. Who's got pricing power is one of the

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Speaker 1: fundamental differentiators in this earning season, Bietta. Are you buying

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Speaker 1: consumer staples considering how much they've sold off in the

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Speaker 1: fact that we have seen them able to pass along

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Speaker 1: that pricing, Well, what I would say, at least says

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Speaker 1: it's not about a sector, it's not about a style.

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Speaker 1: It's about the stock picking. Stock picking is back, and

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Speaker 1: even though thirty percent of managers only are beating the

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Speaker 1: SMP year to date at Bernstein, we've had great success

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Speaker 1: this year with stock selection. So it's not as easy

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Speaker 1: as saying by this sector. It's about the company. Do

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Speaker 1: they have the ability to pass on price increases? And

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Speaker 1: some companies do and some companies don't, So you really

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Speaker 1: have to differentiate by the individual company. So told to

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Speaker 1: me about the pittas of support into next year for

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Speaker 1: this equity market. If you're constructive next year, what are

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Speaker 1: the things that you see right now that can persist

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Speaker 1: into a new year. Well, what we see is still

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Speaker 1: strong economic growth. Obviously, economic growth is fading from the

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Speaker 1: incredible rate at which we were growing in this calendar year.

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Speaker 1: But we're still looking for close to four percent GDP

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Speaker 1: growth in the US and over four percent GDP growth

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Speaker 1: globally for twenty two. So you've got that as an

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Speaker 1: economic back drup. We don't think the Fed moves rates

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Speaker 1: until tree. The taper argument is out there kind of

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Speaker 1: well understood by the market, and as you were just discussing,

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Speaker 1: it looks like we're still going to get some stimulus,

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Speaker 1: even though it is a measure pace. This is really important.

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Speaker 1: You have us vision for how along be out of

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Speaker 1: that's for two thousand and twenty two. Like you said earlier,

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Speaker 1: the visibility is murkier, Tom, So there's a wider range

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Speaker 1: around that. Fair okay, But how do you get to

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Speaker 1: that optimism we got, We got most people way under

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Speaker 1: yond that. What's the Bernstein call that gives you that enthusiasm?

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Speaker 1: I would say that the Bernstein bottom of view to

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Speaker 1: get to that economic perspective is still that there is

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Speaker 1: tremendous support in the overall output. What we're seeing is

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Speaker 1: while you see manufacturing plateauing a bit. You still got

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Speaker 1: real issue has really been in goods. Services are coming back,

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Speaker 1: you just said it earlier. Consumers are coming back, families

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Speaker 1: the lower end of the consumer especially, but what we

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Speaker 1: One debate aspect of debate on this show repeatedly over

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Speaker 1: How do you price in the idea of more fiscal

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Speaker 1: stimulus but also the idea of higher corporate taxes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we think the market is really acknowledging that the corporate

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Speaker 1: What is the biggest concern among clients who you speak

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Speaker 1: to who have to figure out how to reposition. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not just the biggest concern amongst clients, but it's

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Speaker 1: something that we're watching the most closely as a potential

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Speaker 1: up several times. Is inflation transitory and our house view

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Speaker 1: pandemic is going up. So We're not talking about in

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventies type environment, but we are talking about an

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Speaker 1: sought pre pandemics. To thank you Bianno that of Burnstein

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Speaker 1: Private Wealth Management on the path forward, rust Coat Street

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Speaker 1: joining us now he's not ugly portfolio manager for the

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Speaker 1: blank Rock Global Adication Fund. Just around the corner, Russ

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Speaker 1: from all time highs walk me through while you're still

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Speaker 1: constructive set. Good morning, John. You look, I think it's

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Speaker 1: moment ago, earnings have been stellar, and yes there are

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Speaker 1: reasonable concerns about margins. But when you have an economy

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Speaker 1: is not an exerstential threat to equity markets. When I

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Speaker 1: So this notion that we're going to be strangled by

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Speaker 1: there are real supply constraints that we have to watch. Okay, Ross,

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Speaker 1: this point, even as you do expect yields to rise.

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Speaker 1: Can you square that for us? Absolutely? I think there

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Speaker 1: The other issues you've got to ask what is gold

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Speaker 1: my mind, the better hedge is focusing on equities with

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Speaker 1: pricing power that are gonna keep up with that sticky

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Speaker 1: inflation rush. Fantastic to catch up with you, sir, with

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Speaker 1: attention to Atlanta GDP. They they're not always right, but

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Speaker 1: they have a very careful and methodology that I understand.

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Speaker 1: And so we're actually tracking one and a half percent

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Speaker 1: It is all about the semiconductor shortage. So auto sales

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Speaker 1: maybe constraining the construction sector. Where the number, what's the number,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't do that myself pre g d P.

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Speaker 1: But you can look at that number once the GDP

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Speaker 1: So domestic demand. We've seen retail sales be resilient, We've

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Speaker 1: I think X Autos is going to be a pretty

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Speaker 1: So we'll see. Timing these bottleneck resolutions, especially with a SEMIS,

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Speaker 1: has been maddeningly difficult. Every time we start to get

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Speaker 1: no pun intended um. And so we're we're you know,

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Speaker 1: we're just watching day by day how how things evolve

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Speaker 1: So we'll we'll see how all of these things have all.

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Speaker 1: But it's it's a wild ride given you know, remember

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Speaker 1: Now it's all about how surprisingly unresilient global supply chains are.

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Speaker 1: But again, in sentenced are aligned to fix these problems.

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Speaker 1: So uh and and COVID knock on wood. We're heading

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Speaker 1: in the right direction. Uh. And you know, hopefully the

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Speaker 1: economy can move forward and and and those wheels can

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Speaker 1: spin which struggle into capop still with Judia, thank you

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Speaker 1: as always, Judy Carran out of that, Mattcrowth policy perspectives

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