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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, January fifteenth, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen, episode
Speaker 1: number one eleven. Welcome to another edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: We are live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at
Speaker 1: the Star and lots of things breaking this morning. Things
Speaker 1: We got to talk about Hall of Fame announcements. A
Speaker 1: couple of guys have gotten into the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: one glaring omission. We'll talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 1: We'll also talk a little bit about the coach staff,
Speaker 1: a few guys that have been reported to be added
Speaker 1: to this team, although there's been no official report by
Speaker 1: the team, but we'll talk about some of those names,
Speaker 1: and then we'll finish the process of what we were
Speaker 1: doing a few weeks ago when we were talking about
Speaker 1: the offensive players who are free agents and whether you
Speaker 1: want to see them come back. We're now going to
Speaker 1: flip over the defensive side of the ball. We'll go
Speaker 1: through some of those names for you guys, give you
Speaker 1: some perspective on what's going to be happening here in
Speaker 1: free agency. How's everybody filling day? I feel great, great,
Speaker 1: I know you're doing. Congratulations Dave. I've said before, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it on the air. Congratulations to you
Speaker 1: and Yo Tigers. Thank you National champion. David Hellman appreciate it.
Speaker 1: If we could get the intro changed to that, that
Speaker 1: would be cool. But nobody wants to listen to me
Speaker 1: talk about LSU. We can talk about You're in the
Speaker 1: midst of all of that happening. Somehow I found myself
Speaker 1: in the Tigers Instagram page and looking over like a
Speaker 1: thousand pictures of just the Tiger. Are you a fan now? Not?
Speaker 1: Poor Tiger got me in just looking at all these
Speaker 1: different pictures and comments like the captions, Yeah they're pretty funny.
Speaker 1: Good but um, congratulations to you and the Tigers. That
Speaker 1: was a good game, fun watch. And now we go
Speaker 1: into almost drought season, probably football, probably Odell just giving
Speaker 1: money to Odell hand I was thinking, like, are they
Speaker 1: supposed to it was fake money? And winking and it
Speaker 1: was fake. That was so uncomfortable like that. That shouldn't
Speaker 1: be on camera. Now, how are we doing this? Anyway?
Speaker 1: Let's jump in, right, let's jump in. Let's talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about the Pro Football Hall of Fame. We
Speaker 1: found out on Sunday, Uh that Jimmy Johnson gets into
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. To me, very very well deserved
Speaker 1: a guy who had two Super Bowls here with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: You can talk to the people in Miami. They may
Speaker 1: have a little different opinion, but you can't deny a
Speaker 1: guy it gets two back to back Super Bowls deserves
Speaker 1: to be in the Hall of Fame. People in Cleveland
Speaker 1: have a different opinion of Bill Belichick. Absolutely, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's deserving. He ties Landry, I mean, Landry's got two,
Speaker 1: and Parcels has two. Two super bowls should get you
Speaker 1: in s rare company. I mean, there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of guys got more than one. Not a lot of
Speaker 1: guys have one. It's not a lot of guys certainly
Speaker 1: have not just two super Bowls. But turning around, helping
Speaker 1: turn around. Sorry the franchise, you know that one of
Speaker 1: you know at three and thirteen team they were one
Speaker 1: of fifteen that they turned it around. It made it
Speaker 1: super two Super Bowls. I know it's the Pro Football
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, but like he kicked but at Miami too,
Speaker 1: Like he helped you know, the you all that cool stuff. Again,
Speaker 1: I know that's not pro football, but he was a
Speaker 1: badass every at every level of the sport. Yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely well deserved. And I guess when you throw in
Speaker 1: that perspective, there aren't a lot of coaches that come
Speaker 1: from the college rinks. That doesn't happen half success NFL.
Speaker 1: Let alone have back to back Super Bowl teams that win.
Speaker 1: And by the way, the first year is year the
Speaker 1: one and fifteen. So really, you're right, he built it
Speaker 1: like they built that, built a roster that competed for
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl four straight years and he won two
Speaker 1: of them that were very close the third year without
Speaker 1: him and then they wanted the fourth year with Switzer there.
Speaker 1: But I mean he helped build that that dynasty there.
Speaker 1: And then glad you said that word, because yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's dwindling into the past. But I mean one
Speaker 1: of I don't know how many how many legit dynasties
Speaker 1: would you say that there have been in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl era. It's like the Lombardi Packers, the seventies Steelers,
Speaker 1: the eighty eighties, forty nine Ers, the nineties Cowboys, and
Speaker 1: then the Patriots. That's I mean, that's probably it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so if you're on that list, then yeah, be
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. Yep, no doubt. So I
Speaker 1: had this question for you guys. I look at the
Speaker 1: fact that it last year when Jerry got into two
Speaker 1: years ago I'm sorry, was that two three years ago?
Speaker 1: When Jerry got in the seventeen okay whatever, When Jared
Speaker 1: gets in the Hall of Fame, and as a part
Speaker 1: of his speech he mentions Jimmy Johnson and rightfully, so
Speaker 1: it seems like they've kind of had more of that
Speaker 1: kind of those kind of public Jimmy was there too,
Speaker 1: absolutely right um, And they've had more of those types
Speaker 1: of public friendly exchanges here in the last several years.
Speaker 1: Do you think this uh puts it or creates an
Speaker 1: opportunity now where Jerry puts him into the Ring of Honor?
Speaker 1: I would hope so. And I would hope that the
Speaker 1: people that monitor comments of you know, posts and stories
Speaker 1: and see where they what well, the people that are
Speaker 1: I mean, you can tell where the fans think about this,
Speaker 1: and you know, the fans like to like to argue
Speaker 1: about anything that happens, like, well, that's cool. Why didn't
Speaker 1: this happen? Or didn't this happen? Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: that he should be in the Ring of Honor. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's great to have guys in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame that aren't in the Ring of Honor.
Speaker 1: Is going to be close, if ever, since Walls made
Speaker 1: it a couple last year in the Pro Football Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. But you know, it's it's a one man committee.
Speaker 1: It always has been. Jerry wants to do it. He can.
Speaker 1: And you know, I was standing right there with him
Speaker 1: one time when he made a comment that that I
Speaker 1: turned and looked around. I don't know who was next
Speaker 1: to me, but I'm well, he's never getting in, so
Speaker 1: hopefully they things have been patched up, and I would
Speaker 1: imagine he does. That's the funny thing. I've been here
Speaker 1: since twenty thirteen, and I was going to bring up
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame if you didn't like my experience here,
Speaker 1: is that the enmity there has died down. It seems
Speaker 1: like it on the outside of least like they've both
Speaker 1: made flattering comments about each other. Jimmy came to his
Speaker 1: induction into the Hall of Fame, Jerry talked about him,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if they're friends, but it seems
Speaker 1: like they're friendly. That's my perception in seven years. And
Speaker 1: so I'm yeah, I'm like, I'm I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that it hasn't happened, but I don't get
Speaker 1: the feeling that there's something preventing it from happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so maybe this will be kind of like pushing
Speaker 1: the snowball down the hill, and I would expect it
Speaker 1: to happen at some point for sure. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: Cliff Harris, another guy that's been waiting a very long time.
Speaker 1: He was a guy that was part of I think
Speaker 1: the All Decade team in the seventies and now finally
Speaker 1: gets to call to the Hall of Fame. Nick talk
Speaker 1: a little bit. Ab I know, for for a lot
Speaker 1: of us, we weren't around and didn't necessarily see him
Speaker 1: play or you know a lot about his career, But
Speaker 1: tell me why he was a Hall of Fame type player.
Speaker 1: All right, Just for the record, I wasn't around either,
Speaker 1: but like, okay, we've got the jokes now this guy,
Speaker 1: but you know, a guy, his career is remarkable because
Speaker 1: back then in nineteen seventy, um, there was one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty five Ricky free agents that they go to
Speaker 1: training camp. Right now, there's like twenty five and twenty
Speaker 1: three of them were defensive backs. So he's a guy
Speaker 1: from Washington Baptist, which is in a small school in Arkansas,
Speaker 1: and he's one of the guys and he's got to
Speaker 1: make this team and he did. And not only that,
Speaker 1: he's ended up. He started that first year. If it's
Speaker 1: ten years, they Cowboys only missed the playoffs once, So
Speaker 1: that was you know, that wasn't just him. That was
Speaker 1: just shows that how great they were in the seventies.
Speaker 1: But um, he was always around the ball. I called
Speaker 1: him Captain crash It back when safeties really could go
Speaker 1: lower the boom. But he was more than that. He
Speaker 1: had twenty nine interceptions, I believe sixteen fumble recoveries, so
Speaker 1: that's tied for second. And he's around the ball a lot.
Speaker 1: Him and Charlie Waters were great duo there in that
Speaker 1: safety position. And you know, he's he was the only
Speaker 1: defensive player in the All Decade Team that wasn't in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. So on the defensive, on the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, I believe there's one on
Speaker 1: the offensive. We'll talk about that too, But you know
Speaker 1: they've righted that wrong. He's deserving. But you know, it
Speaker 1: took a long time to getting the Ring of Honor. Two.
Speaker 1: You know, tex Tram didn't put him in for a
Speaker 1: long time there in the eighties. He didn't get intil
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, I believe, So it took a
Speaker 1: while for him. Um, he was always linked with Charlie Waters.
Speaker 1: I just mentioned him. They were linked together, but he
Speaker 1: was better than Charlie and so it's like, well, you're
Speaker 1: putting them both end one end, and they decided, you know,
Speaker 1: he was better than Charlie in's certain aspects. Charlie Waters
Speaker 1: was great in interceptions too. But I think I think
Speaker 1: Cliff Harris was just a dying and make safety that
Speaker 1: could that could do everything you wanted, a great athlete.
Speaker 1: And so I'm glad that he's getting in. It's well
Speaker 1: deserved for him. Yeah, it's I don't want to take
Speaker 1: too much away from these guys that have gotten this
Speaker 1: really huge news that they're they're getting into the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. But the glaring ole mission year, obviously is
Speaker 1: Drew pearson uh form of wide receiver, the original eighty
Speaker 1: eight of the Cowboys. And the reason why this seems
Speaker 1: weird to me and Nick when I walked in this morning,
Speaker 1: I saw you in your office and my first eyes
Speaker 1: I don't need to go talk to Nick about this
Speaker 1: because I wasn't around to see this to be able
Speaker 1: to for myself say no, Drew Pearson is a Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame player. I've seen highlights of him, obviously, I've
Speaker 1: heard of the hell Mary and and all the different
Speaker 1: stories that he's attached to when it comes to Cowboys history.
Speaker 1: But what I don't understand is how a guy like him,
Speaker 1: who was a you know, a first team member of
Speaker 1: the All Decade Team in the seventies, a guy that
Speaker 1: has I think three Pro Bowls, three All pros, first
Speaker 1: team All pros um and and then a guy like
Speaker 1: Harold Carmichael, which, by the way, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a situation where Carmichael doesn't deserve to get in, but
Speaker 1: you look at the two careers and you see the
Speaker 1: Carmichael never made an All Pro that he was only
Speaker 1: a four time pro bowler on one more time was
Speaker 1: he a pro bowler? And he was a second team
Speaker 1: All Decade player in the seventies, where Pearson was a
Speaker 1: first team All Decade player. And it leads me with
Speaker 1: the question of why why is there this omission that
Speaker 1: continues to happen. There must be something more that I
Speaker 1: just don't know about why he's not getting in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Yeah, that that play right there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're watching the catch. This is the hell Mary, obviously,
Speaker 1: it's the vikings with the play right before that, you know,
Speaker 1: set it up. And I just think, Derek, I think
Speaker 1: that to answer your question, I mean, I don't have
Speaker 1: the answer. I wish I did. But the thing about
Speaker 1: it is is that when you look at the history
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys and you tell the story of these
Speaker 1: iconic moments, he's in all of them. I mean not
Speaker 1: all of them, He's in a lot of them. Hell, Mary,
Speaker 1: Yeah he caught it. But if you go back and
Speaker 1: just think of remember that game Clint Longley came off
Speaker 1: the bench and led the Cowboys to a touch Yeah
Speaker 1: it was Drew Pearson caught it. I remember the game
Speaker 1: Danny White against the Falcons, had those two touchdowns in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, and yeah, Pearson caught him both, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean Drew Pearson, even Tony dor sais ninety nine
Speaker 1: yard touchdown run, He's down there block and that doesn't
Speaker 1: happen if he's not there. He's he's around in all
Speaker 1: these moments, and I just don't understand. Is it is
Speaker 1: it yards? Is it stats? Is it the flares? That
Speaker 1: is it the dramatic I mean Lynce won. Lynce One's
Speaker 1: in the ring in the Hall of Fame because he
Speaker 1: was a Super Bowl MVP. You know, he's got three
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty six catches. David LaFell has three hundred
Speaker 1: in ninety or Peerless Price has four hundred catches Mohammed Sanu.
Speaker 1: So it's not just about stats, you know, it's about
Speaker 1: great catches. Well, I told you earlier. Well let's put
Speaker 1: David Tyreegan. I mean, if we're gonna do that, if
Speaker 1: you know so, It's just it's sad because he doesn't
Speaker 1: know what criteria. I've got the stats, I've got the
Speaker 1: I've got the dramatic plays, I've got the Super Bowl story.
Speaker 1: Everything you need except for being in and this is
Speaker 1: they could have righted the wrong and they didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I mean it if it didn't happen this year
Speaker 1: where they had a bigger class because of the centennial,
Speaker 1: that makes you think it's not gonna happen anytime soon,
Speaker 1: which yeah, I can't lay out a better case than that,
Speaker 1: And it just it does make you wonder. You know,
Speaker 1: there was the decade long argument about like whether t
Speaker 1: O would get in because he was such a jerk.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean I Drew Pearson has always been
Speaker 1: lovely in the very limited interactions that I've had with him.
Speaker 1: But it makes me think that, like, well, did people
Speaker 1: think he's a jerk? Like not like it? Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: never heard that, but that's what it makes me think,
Speaker 1: because I can't think of a reason fans didn't like
Speaker 1: him on Draft Day, very true put him in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame just for that speech on it, right,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's that's a bummer and I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 1: talk out of both sides of my mouth a little bit,
Speaker 1: but like it's kind of a bummer. How it's such
Speaker 1: a spectacle now, like getting into the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: because like he was looked like he was in his
Speaker 1: kitchen this morning or something like had a whole watch party.
Speaker 1: It's like watching a guy not get drafted, his big
Speaker 1: spectacle and then he just gets his heart ripped out.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it was so cool how
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson found out live on TV. And I got
Speaker 1: emotional watching Troy Aikman get emotional and it was lovely.
Speaker 1: So it's cool when a guy gets good news. I
Speaker 1: guess it just it sucks to see somebody get their
Speaker 1: heart ripped out on TV. You know. The ironic part
Speaker 1: of those two receivers is that in nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 1: Drew Pearson was, you know, expected to have another great
Speaker 1: year for the Cowboys, still a veteran guy. He's played,
Speaker 1: you know, ten years, but he was still doing it,
Speaker 1: still playing well, and he gets in a car wreck.
Speaker 1: I believe his brother was within the car and passed away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so his brother was in the car, and then he
Speaker 1: was hurt to the point where he didn't play again.
Speaker 1: So he retired in nineteen eighty four, and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: signed Harold Carmichael just briefly in nineteen eighty four. He
Speaker 1: only played a few games. He made one catch or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you know that was that was the end of that.
Speaker 1: But a long time eagle, right, a long time eagle.
Speaker 1: And then he goes and so in that nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: four season, it was Carmichael that goes and plays for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys due person didn't. And now here they are
Speaker 1: kind of being compared against each other. Carmichael has a
Speaker 1: lot better stats, but he played longer, he played longer.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's got he's got more stats, more touchdown
Speaker 1: yards and catches. But like you said, not not those
Speaker 1: moments of really you know, and when you look at
Speaker 1: it from the standpoint of just the recognition All pros, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that kind of stuff. I mean, Drew had more
Speaker 1: all he had three more All Pro selections than than
Speaker 1: did Carmichael. So it's it sucks. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know how. I don't know. And I think that frustration
Speaker 1: you saw when he's catching and slams his hands down
Speaker 1: because he realizes, I mean, if not then went, which
Speaker 1: it's a it's a bummer. I bet he still gets in,
Speaker 1: but hopefully it happens while he can still enjoy it, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if it doesn't happen for thirty
Speaker 1: more years then that would be tragic. Well, they do
Speaker 1: have the senior commit that still every year presents. I
Speaker 1: think it's two or three guys that get in every year.
Speaker 1: And maybe, honestly, this is one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring it up on the show today,
Speaker 1: is because a lot of times with these kinds of things,
Speaker 1: it takes that ground swell of people saying what is
Speaker 1: going on here for there to be enough attention pointed
Speaker 1: to it and say, hey, guys, you really need to
Speaker 1: right this wrong. And I think that's part of our
Speaker 1: responsibility is a part of that too, and say, man,
Speaker 1: this guy deserves it, and if he's not getting in,
Speaker 1: then people need to speak out about it and say
Speaker 1: this is a travesty. He needs to be in. And
Speaker 1: you know, one of the we don't we weren't there
Speaker 1: watching all these but one of the guys that did
Speaker 1: get in Steve Sable and his dad d Sable. You know,
Speaker 1: for NFL Films. NFL Films has provided us a lot
Speaker 1: of these moments where we've seen this, So it's not
Speaker 1: like you can say, well, you weren't there, I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: I mean, we get a chance to see the highlights
Speaker 1: and sometimes they speak for themselves and that's really all
Speaker 1: that you have in certain cases. But I mean, he's
Speaker 1: got everything you need other than being there. So yeah,
Speaker 1: and again I'm I'm very interested. I think at some
Speaker 1: point this offseason, I'd love to get somebody like Goose Goslind,
Speaker 1: who is a voter and presents a lot of the
Speaker 1: guys from Dallas on the show, just to ask him
Speaker 1: because there has to be I'm just I'm just believing
Speaker 1: there has to be some reason that when they look
Speaker 1: at it objectively, they're coming up and have come up
Speaker 1: with over year over year over year that he's not
Speaker 1: quite the guy there, and I just went, I'd like
Speaker 1: to hear another perspective of why that is, because it
Speaker 1: just doesn't seem very apparent to me. Right now. All right,
Speaker 1: let's do this. Let's go and take our first break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. Nothing's official, but there have been some
Speaker 1: names that have been added to it. Will throughout some
Speaker 1: of those and one guy that you guys may remember
Speaker 1: from just a few years ago that's been with this
Speaker 1: coaching staff before. We'll talk about that when you come
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Speaker 1: the Break Welcome Back. It is the second segment of
Speaker 1: the Break Life in the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At
Speaker 1: the start, we're gonna talk a little about the coaching staff.
Speaker 1: Cowboys haven't announced anything officially, and they usually don't until
Speaker 1: they have the whole staff symbol. But I don't think
Speaker 1: I don't think they announced anything officially at all last year.
Speaker 1: We just kind of go somewhere like, oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: they're here. But I will say this, in years when
Speaker 1: they've had like a like a big turnover, which it
Speaker 1: sounds like it's going to be this year, they have
Speaker 1: announced it. And it seems like they've had like a
Speaker 1: little time with the media where you could kind of
Speaker 1: talk to the guys. But we'll see this was before you,
Speaker 1: I think, say, that's never happened in my time here.
Speaker 1: They've turned over the staff a decent bit over the
Speaker 1: last two years. Not this much though, right, No, not
Speaker 1: this much, but I mean, yeah, yeah, coach, but in
Speaker 1: eighteen and seventeen, I mean they've they've turned it over
Speaker 1: a little bit. It's fine whatever, I mean basically what
Speaker 1: it sounds like at this point from what we've heard,
Speaker 1: there's only one guy, maybe two that would be holdovers
Speaker 1: from the previous coaching staff, which is significant, very very
Speaker 1: Significantlen and nust Meyer Kellen right, kelln and nust Meyer
Speaker 1: and then if you want to throw in a forgot
Speaker 1: about Nustmyer. But if you want to throw in sanje Lyle,
Speaker 1: who is still under contract, there's not been an official
Speaker 1: word one way or the other. We're hearing rumors that
Speaker 1: he's not going to be here, and that there are
Speaker 1: reports out there saying I think he actually even said
Speaker 1: that he doesn't expect to be back. I think I
Speaker 1: saw that a dam tweet. But but that being said,
Speaker 1: I don't think there obviously there hasn't been an official announced,
Speaker 1: So if you want to throw him in, you could say,
Speaker 1: well maybe, but right now there are only two that
Speaker 1: are being reported that will be back, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of turnover. When we started thinking about the head coach,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, and then Kelly Moore comes back as offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan defensive coordinator, John fossil a special team's coach,
Speaker 1: John Thompson, Jim tom Sula defensive line, Scott McCurley, linebacker,
Speaker 1: Maurice Linguist shout out to the Ques defensive backs coach.
Speaker 1: Then you got Doug must nuss Meyer quarterback coach, Joe
Speaker 1: Philbin offensive line, Lundy Wells as tight ends coach, which
Speaker 1: I want to be interested to hear what you think
Speaker 1: of that, Nick, because I know you and I have
Speaker 1: had some conversations about the possibility of maybe a Jason
Speaker 1: Witten being there, but McCarthy got the job. Derek. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Nick never said tends now. I said that, and I
Speaker 1: thought you agree with me, but maybe not again. Jason
Speaker 1: Witten didn't go through the Big Ten network to cover
Speaker 1: games on Saturdays at eleven. He went to Monday Night
Speaker 1: Football like he's going he's going big or going home.
Speaker 1: And I think that's really what's happening. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. I don't think that's what He's gonna
Speaker 1: have to work it up a little bit. Yeah, you gotta.
Speaker 1: You can't start at head coach in the NFL. Who
Speaker 1: does he coach? Steve Kerr? I mean maybe so, I
Speaker 1: think he was trying to be Steve Kerr. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna happen now. Probably not all right.
Speaker 1: But but one name is interesting to me that's been
Speaker 1: tossed out there and uh and it has been linked
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys. The running back spot is Skip Pete,
Speaker 1: a guy that was here from I think two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven to twelve, UM as running backs coach. Uh
Speaker 1: Nick talked me a little about what you know of
Speaker 1: Skip Pete for the time he was here, some of
Speaker 1: the guys he coached and what that looked like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was on Wade Phillips staff. He coached the Julius
Speaker 1: Jones and Marian Barber for that first year that he
Speaker 1: was here, and then um, they drafted Felix Jones. I
Speaker 1: guess they drafted DeMarco Murray. Um. He wasn't around for
Speaker 1: Murray's great year there in fourteen. But you know, he's
Speaker 1: he's a he's a coach, a veteran guy. You know,
Speaker 1: brother of Rodney Pete. He's been around a while football
Speaker 1: family for sure, and uh, you know, a personable guy.
Speaker 1: You'll you'll just like Gary Brown, I mean the same thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, not just like him, but like he'll he'll
Speaker 1: talk to you in the hall and he'll he'll have
Speaker 1: some conversations. He's he's a fun guy to be around.
Speaker 1: So but as far as coach, I mean, it's really
Speaker 1: in this case, it's do you relate to Zeke? You
Speaker 1: know which you know, can you can you get him
Speaker 1: to play and not just play the running back coaches
Speaker 1: is in the meetings and being engaged and and and
Speaker 1: practice and things like that. I thought Gary did a
Speaker 1: nice job there. So if they're going to replace that,
Speaker 1: I mean that's line one is how you work with Zeke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good point. He has been with Todd Gurley for the
Speaker 1: last several years up and with the Rams. He's good.
Speaker 1: He's pretty good. I just you know, you talk about
Speaker 1: like overcorrecting a lot of times, like, well, they tried
Speaker 1: the guy who'd never been a head coach, and they
Speaker 1: they fixed that by getting the guy who's been a
Speaker 1: head coach for twelve years. Like look and it's all reported,
Speaker 1: but look at the resumes on this coaching staff, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, we had the first year's special teams coordinator
Speaker 1: and the first year offensive coordinator and all these guys
Speaker 1: who had never done it before. And it is not
Speaker 1: the case now because I mean, Skip Pete's been coaching
Speaker 1: in the NFL since the nineties. Wells the tight end coach,
Speaker 1: he's actually started at LSU shout out Tigers, but he's
Speaker 1: been in the league for ten years. Fossil has been
Speaker 1: in the year in the league forever. Joe Philbin half
Speaker 1: of these guys have been a head coaches at some point,
Speaker 1: So m Tom Seula has been a head coach, Mike
Speaker 1: Nolan's been a head coach. Can't critics, can't say they
Speaker 1: don't know what they're doing. You think they could be
Speaker 1: a problem that many guys that have been a head coach.
Speaker 1: Seems like there was a time here with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: when that was the case, when they had a lot
Speaker 1: of former head coaches on the staff. And I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a problem just because as long as again,
Speaker 1: as long as the person who is who is the
Speaker 1: head coach hired those guys, Yeah, then there's a clear line.
Speaker 1: They understand who's ultimately calling the shot, and they're stepping
Speaker 1: into the role knowing that's the guy I'm ultimately reporting too,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to work within his program. And I
Speaker 1: think personally, most head coaches probably look at it like,
Speaker 1: I know what it's like to be that guy. I
Speaker 1: want to do everything I can to support that guy,
Speaker 1: knowing how hard it is if you don't have on
Speaker 1: your staff everybody pulling in the same direction. Well, I
Speaker 1: think what the cool thing that I'm seeing is them
Speaker 1: bringing in all these different guys with different perspective, different
Speaker 1: backgrounds and from the outside, because ic always are used
Speaker 1: to bringing up their own guys, like promoting somebody within
Speaker 1: the organization, and to me, I mean that was part
Speaker 1: of the problem, is you don't necessarily have the kind
Speaker 1: of experience that you need and the kind of different
Speaker 1: mentality that you need also in order to fix a problem,
Speaker 1: because an outsider looks at things very different than an insider.
Speaker 1: So I'm really excited about that aspect. Only time will tell.
Speaker 1: But it's cool, not cool, because when I think of
Speaker 1: people's dog I get sad, especially when you know all
Speaker 1: these people and transitioning like that, it's kind of hard.
Speaker 1: But as a fan, as a Cowboys fan, it's very
Speaker 1: exciting and promising once again to see a whole new
Speaker 1: staff with the young group of guys that you have
Speaker 1: as players, which essentially and we're you know, we've been
Speaker 1: talking about free agency and all of those, but essentially
Speaker 1: this team is gonna stay pretty intact, I think, by
Speaker 1: the group of guys that we've been talking about, and
Speaker 1: especially if they keep Dak and Amari Cooper, so that's promising.
Speaker 1: One of my biggest concerns was always like the life
Speaker 1: expectancy of players and the Cowboys kind of wasting the
Speaker 1: time that they had of all the young talent and
Speaker 1: kind of letting them walk away. But things might be
Speaker 1: finally turning around. And I hate this because every year,
Speaker 1: once again, when I say I am done with this team,
Speaker 1: I am upset. This is ridiculous every time, although this
Speaker 1: is a whole new scenario, but I'm always back in
Speaker 1: and feeling excited and saying, Okay, that's every fan though,
Speaker 1: how many fans, every fan of every team in every sport.
Speaker 1: So it makes it fun, right when they say it's
Speaker 1: so fun When they say I've been a fan since
Speaker 1: the sixties or the seventies or whatever and I'm done,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not done. If you're done, you would
Speaker 1: have been done in eighty nine. You would have been
Speaker 1: done in eighty eighty nine, and you know ninety seven
Speaker 1: and two thousand and one and two and three. You
Speaker 1: always find yourself finding different reasons as to why this
Speaker 1: year is the year and why this year will be
Speaker 1: different than the other. Until this changes, that about until
Speaker 1: this changes and I'm pointing at the star behind this year.
Speaker 1: Until that changes that, you're just gonna You're gonna keep
Speaker 1: getting sucked back in. That's that's what happened. And by
Speaker 1: the way, it's every team in the league, like every
Speaker 1: every fan does this. Why would Why wouldn't you want
Speaker 1: to get sucked in? Like they made the changes that
Speaker 1: that that you want them to make. Like you know,
Speaker 1: there's talent on this team. You got they got rid
Speaker 1: of the coach you don't like so much, they're shuffling
Speaker 1: up the staff, not talking about you, amber talk about
Speaker 1: generally the rhetorical you. It's like, right, I would feel
Speaker 1: a lot, I would feel boundless optimism for this team. Well,
Speaker 1: like I mentioned a few weeks ago, when we were
Speaker 1: talking about this and and me asking the question as to, Okay,
Speaker 1: how long do you expect things to kind of start
Speaker 1: working together and connect when you're going through such a
Speaker 1: big transition, And that is my concern again this is
Speaker 1: you just have to go through it to see how
Speaker 1: it turns out, and it's part of that kind of process.
Speaker 1: But it always brings me back in, Okay, how much
Speaker 1: time are we going to have these young guys playing
Speaker 1: for the team, and how long is it going to
Speaker 1: take this whole coaching staff to kind of start clicking together?
Speaker 1: And like you guys mentioned sometimes it happens right away
Speaker 1: with new coaching changes. But because I have not lived
Speaker 1: through that and seen it happen with my own eyes,
Speaker 1: that always concerns me. As two, Okay, how long does
Speaker 1: it take to for it to click? But you know, sorry,
Speaker 1: what stayed, what's staying the same. And this is honestly
Speaker 1: what excites me most. The guys that are gonna be
Speaker 1: talking to Dak Prescott are the only holdovers on this team.
Speaker 1: You're keeping Kellen Moore, good point. You're moving Doug nuss
Speaker 1: Meyer to quarterbacks coach, which I know he was the
Speaker 1: tight ends coach, but I'm sure he's got a relationship
Speaker 1: with Dak. He's a former quarterback. He also am looking
Speaker 1: at his resume, it's in retrospect, it's weird that he
Speaker 1: was coaching tight ends in first place, Like, yeah, he
Speaker 1: was a quarterbacks coach for his entire career, or a
Speaker 1: quarterback coach every night of his of his life. Isn't
Speaker 1: his son one of the best quarter One is a
Speaker 1: coveted high school quarterback who is looking at LSU Texas
Speaker 1: and Texas It's fine, that's fine, We'll give you that
Speaker 1: for now. Yeah, sure, we're champions. We don't care. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want to make this about myself. But the
Speaker 1: whole time Amber was just given that spiel I was like,
Speaker 1: look as somebody whose team just won the way it
Speaker 1: is worth it. Man. And by the way, the last
Speaker 1: couple of years, like you did not go into this
Speaker 1: year thinking that what's gonna happen now? So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not at all. And another they've had doubts every game
Speaker 1: because I listened to him upstairs. It's like, I don't
Speaker 1: know about being a fan is agony of the time
Speaker 1: for that one percent, that's just like worth it, definitely
Speaker 1: worth it. But you know you're asking the question of
Speaker 1: can't they turn this thing around? Think about you know,
Speaker 1: can this coaching staff, can this Can this new group
Speaker 1: give you, you know another touchdown every game? Just just
Speaker 1: another touchdown or you know four points here on offense
Speaker 1: and you know one field goal stop on defense or
Speaker 1: something like that. Let's just say seven more points. Seven
Speaker 1: more points each game gives you four or five more wins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and the unique part is is I've argued with
Speaker 1: me for you thinking that what happened last year is
Speaker 1: going to carry over into this hold on hold on
Speaker 1: I I know, I've argued with Mickey over and over
Speaker 1: for years. He was like, well, these four games, if
Speaker 1: you get an extra field goal, you win. There's always
Speaker 1: four or five games where you're like, yeah, but you
Speaker 1: got lucky to win this. In this particular case, it's
Speaker 1: very unique. They blew out just about every team that
Speaker 1: they beat. They lost these close games. So it is
Speaker 1: kind of a weird thing because they were clearly better
Speaker 1: than the teams they played and just not good enough
Speaker 1: on some of the other ones. And I think if
Speaker 1: you can get better in that sense, I think that
Speaker 1: you can have a quick turnaround. I think they can
Speaker 1: win four or five of those games. That's a big
Speaker 1: difference in the record, and then that change. And my
Speaker 1: belief is, and again this is just my belief. My
Speaker 1: belief is that the reason why you saw those kinds
Speaker 1: of swings is because of the inexperience on this staff.
Speaker 1: It suggested to me that they were good enough to
Speaker 1: beat bad teams and to blow them out when they
Speaker 1: got into games with really good teams. They didn't have
Speaker 1: that extra amount of experience that could maybe get them
Speaker 1: over a hump when they're in a rough part of
Speaker 1: a game and trying to figure out how to dig
Speaker 1: their way out. They didn't have enough experience to be
Speaker 1: able to do that, and that personally, that's how I
Speaker 1: look at this season. So for me, if you're talking
Speaker 1: now coaching staff that has a ton of experience, then
Speaker 1: you take a team like this and maybe they can
Speaker 1: take those games and win half of those games that
Speaker 1: they lost very close. If they win half of those,
Speaker 1: now you got a whole different season. You're in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and you feel pretty good about what they can do
Speaker 1: in the playoffs against some of these better teams NFC especially.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's say it's even just two two
Speaker 1: games and they're ten and six, and I mean, have
Speaker 1: you been watching these playoffs? Like I know the Texans choked,
Speaker 1: but like the Titans are in the AFC title game,
Speaker 1: it hasn't been in the vikings beating you know, home
Speaker 1: the Why can't I talk the same to get in
Speaker 1: won a home game against the Saints, all you gotta
Speaker 1: do is be there. Yeah, and we are seeing that
Speaker 1: play out in front of us. And I still kind
Speaker 1: of think it's gonna be one seed verse one seed
Speaker 1: in the super Bowl, but who knows. We'll see and
Speaker 1: to just speak to the point good and see, I mean,
Speaker 1: Kansas City is the two. Oh wow, you're the one.
Speaker 1: You're right. I'm sorry, you're right, but you're teams with
Speaker 1: home field advantage. Who won third? You're right? Wow? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Baltimore freaking lost. I still can't. That was crazy, boy,
Speaker 1: you got dominated. What's like, didn't even come close? Did
Speaker 1: you see? All the comments on that are like, whoa,
Speaker 1: they must fire the analytics coach there, you know, and
Speaker 1: then it comes back to analytics. Oh yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: analytics were saving football. You know. Well, I mean, and
Speaker 1: I do believe this though, is like I mean, it's
Speaker 1: so cyclical. Everybody's so small and so fast. It's almost
Speaker 1: like a no brainer that a two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: pound running back is just annihilating people in the playoffs, Like,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna and now everybody's gonna be like, no, see,
Speaker 1: you gotta run the ball, and they're gonna try to
Speaker 1: get back to running the ball, and on and on
Speaker 1: and on we go. There you go. And just to
Speaker 1: answer your question, Amber, you look at just in this
Speaker 1: this season alone, you can look at a team like
Speaker 1: matte Floor's team in Green Bay. They are in the
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game. And then you look at the opposite
Speaker 1: in that coin, you got Freddy Kitchens. It was a
Speaker 1: first year coach in Cleveland and now it is fired, right,
Speaker 1: So it can go either way. When you have a
Speaker 1: brand new coaching staff, they can be very very good.
Speaker 1: You can also be very well. And also Matt Matt Lafleur,
Speaker 1: you know, he took over Mike McCarthy's teams, and you
Speaker 1: know they just needed that extra push. And in Freddy
Speaker 1: Kitchens took over Hugh Jackson's teams, who took over everyone else's.
Speaker 1: I mean, I say it's it's almost like a cyclical
Speaker 1: every year. He's not gonna say it on the record,
Speaker 1: but I would love to know, because like the thing
Speaker 1: about Mike McCarthy for years was that Ted Thompson wouldn't
Speaker 1: go out of his way to give him help. And really,
Speaker 1: the thing that's pushing the Packers toward the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: at least a big factor is they dropped fat stacks
Speaker 1: on pass rushers in the offseason. They got Preston Smith's
Speaker 1: Darius Smith, Mike McCarthy's probably like where the hell was
Speaker 1: this when I was the head coach? And he actually
Speaker 1: made the comment last year, I got you. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: made the last week. I'm actually gonna have more input
Speaker 1: here than I had all those years in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: And we know here he's not the decision maker. It
Speaker 1: is a it's done by committee. But he says he's
Speaker 1: gonna have way William put on that kind of stuff
Speaker 1: than he did in Green Bay. So and he will.
Speaker 1: I mean people, there's a misperception that Jerry goes out
Speaker 1: in here and just says I do it my way.
Speaker 1: That is not true. Jerry listens. In fact, the Jerry
Speaker 1: Pyte listens more than he should. He listens to a
Speaker 1: lot of people, right, It gets a lot of voices,
Speaker 1: a lot of input, and you know he will be
Speaker 1: one of them. Will McClay will continue to be one
Speaker 1: of them. Stephen Jones, of course, so it he'll have
Speaker 1: he'll have an input. And Jason Garrett had an input
Speaker 1: to I mean like that that was that was part
Speaker 1: of it. I mean that that happens. Yes, he's the GM,
Speaker 1: but he listens to people. That's somebody asked me that
Speaker 1: the other night. You know, you know, if Nussmers moving
Speaker 1: to quarterbacks coach, it looks like John Kitten has done
Speaker 1: here which I would have liked to see him stay.
Speaker 1: It looked like his relationship. But no, Yeah, if I
Speaker 1: could have picked anybody besides Kellen to stay on the staff,
Speaker 1: it probably would have been him. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I gotta let my new head coach hire the guys
Speaker 1: that he wants. Like, you're like, oh my god, he
Speaker 1: didn't keep Kitten, that's a terrible idea. Well, if they'd
Speaker 1: kept them, then Jerry makes all the decisions and slightly so, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got you gotta let McArthur Leon wants to be
Speaker 1: in alved In. This to Leon, let's still under a
Speaker 1: contract and he's actually coaching this week with Gary Brown,
Speaker 1: I believe at the East West Shrine game. That's whether
Speaker 1: they're coaching that or the either that game or the
Speaker 1: NFLPA game, one of the two, but they're actually coaching
Speaker 1: the North South team whatever coaches. You had a chance
Speaker 1: to sit down with with coach McCarthy last week and
Speaker 1: talk to him, and one of the things that you
Speaker 1: mentioned him was the importance of holding over some guys
Speaker 1: to be able to kind of have a perspective on
Speaker 1: what they knew of guys before this coaching staff got here.
Speaker 1: What do you say about that, and what was your
Speaker 1: take on Well, I mean he said that, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: been part of coaching, you know, like a I don't
Speaker 1: know if you would say like a unwritten rule. But
Speaker 1: when you do take over a staff, you you don't
Speaker 1: want to just wipe the slate clean because there are
Speaker 1: these guys that you you look at and go, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: why didn't he play well last year? Or what was
Speaker 1: the thing? You know, you're just nice to have a
Speaker 1: couple of guys on the staff that knows, hey, you
Speaker 1: might want to coach him differently or this, And you know,
Speaker 1: when you're talking about strength coaches and trainers, you do
Speaker 1: want some holdovers there. So he said, it's just a balance.
Speaker 1: It's a balance of finding guys that are that are new,
Speaker 1: that that teach the message in a different way, but
Speaker 1: also can relate to the players and kind of can
Speaker 1: understand them. So it won't it won't be surprising to
Speaker 1: me if there is a defensive coach, maybe it's Leon,
Speaker 1: maybe some other guys that can stay over. I don't
Speaker 1: even know what's up with Greg Jackson. I guess he's
Speaker 1: he's he always kind of flies under the radar. There's
Speaker 1: a safety's coach. But I've heard him say about nine
Speaker 1: words since he got the job here so publicly at least.
Speaker 1: So the one thing that you can say is that
Speaker 1: you know Will is going to be here. And that's
Speaker 1: the guy that when it comes to a player evaluation,
Speaker 1: it's probably top guy in the organization. So he'll be
Speaker 1: here to be able to give a lot of that
Speaker 1: perspective regardless of who the coaches are about what the
Speaker 1: players are, and what they expect from them and what
Speaker 1: they you know, what they think they'll be able to do.
Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna take our final break. When we
Speaker 1: come back, we're gonna get into the defensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball. Talk about some free agents. Remember last time
Speaker 1: we did this. We're gonna put him into three categories.
Speaker 1: Make it work, if it works, or not gonna work.
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Speaker 1: It is the final segment of the Break Life for
Speaker 1: the SWBC market mortgage studios at the Star, Let's talk
Speaker 1: about free agency Cowboys. We talked at our on our
Speaker 1: last show about the offensive free agents and special teams
Speaker 1: free agents. I'm sorry specialists free agents that the Cowboys have.
Speaker 1: But i want to talk about the defensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball and I'm gonna throw out names. I want
Speaker 1: you guys to put them in three different categories. And
Speaker 1: the categories are make it work. You know the words,
Speaker 1: they are a priority. You need to keep them if
Speaker 1: it works. So that means if we can get a
Speaker 1: good contract that that makes sense I'd like to see
Speaker 1: them back and then not gonna work. That means let
Speaker 1: them walk, don't worry about it. It's all good. You
Speaker 1: can move on, you can find better talent. Let me
Speaker 1: say this about if it works, because that seems like
Speaker 1: that's any real easy one to throw in. If it
Speaker 1: works also means that they go to March eighteenth, that
Speaker 1: believes the date for free agency, and get to test
Speaker 1: the waters. Yeah, so that's that's rights a risk there is.
Speaker 1: I just saying, well, if it works, if it works,
Speaker 1: also that you go to a team that has a
Speaker 1: lot more money than you and they pay him and
Speaker 1: this is a big deal for these guys, are all right.
Speaker 1: So let's start with a guy that got here at
Speaker 1: middle of the season but had big impact, Michael Bennett.
Speaker 1: What do we fall amber m I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind him being here again, but for some reason,
Speaker 1: I just don't see him having another year here with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, whether that's for money or whether he's hitting
Speaker 1: Has he ever talked about retiring soon? Yeah? Yeah, So
Speaker 1: he's hitting that time frame where he's kind of ready
Speaker 1: to step away from the game. And you know, when
Speaker 1: guys started speaking like that it's coming pretty soon. So
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I probably don't think that the
Speaker 1: money would work for another year with the Cowboys, so
Speaker 1: I would say bye. I think I'm stealing the talking
Speaker 1: point from either you or Rob. But it felt noteworthy
Speaker 1: that his brother Martellis came to the final home game.
Speaker 1: I didn't think about that, but yeah, that makes I mean,
Speaker 1: we've never seen him at another game, Like Marty Bee's
Speaker 1: got a bunch of stuff going on. He writes children's books,
Speaker 1: and he took the time company took the time out
Speaker 1: of his day to go to a week seventeen you
Speaker 1: know game that think he actually lives in LA does
Speaker 1: he know? I don't he doesn't live here. Yeah, ahead anyway,
Speaker 1: but and I mean playoffs were kind of on the line,
Speaker 1: but like not really, like you know, the season's probably
Speaker 1: gonna end that day, and he came, true, Nick did not,
Speaker 1: But it's fine, you're just taking you to wait for
Speaker 1: day to get back true good point. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know Michael Bennett's mind, but I saw that
Speaker 1: and I was like, I wonder if this is going
Speaker 1: to be his last football game? Yeah, um, if if
Speaker 1: he wants to come back. I'm if it works, I'm
Speaker 1: more than happy not going to break the bank. But
Speaker 1: I I he obviously played well. I liked what he
Speaker 1: brought to the locker room. I'd be all for it.
Speaker 1: You know. There was also they reworked the contract in
Speaker 1: the middle of the season, I think, to make him
Speaker 1: a free agent. So, um, there's some there was some
Speaker 1: speculation that that was part of the deal in the
Speaker 1: first place. Yeah, you know, and you can really get
Speaker 1: deep into the speculation of things that he's done in
Speaker 1: the past, during the anthem and things he didn't do
Speaker 1: this year, and maybe maybe there was some agreement to
Speaker 1: all of that that maybe this is why he's a
Speaker 1: free agent. If that's the case, then he probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: come back. So I think they have to be part
Speaker 1: ways there. I will say on the surface, just just
Speaker 1: if you're talking about the play I would make him, well,
Speaker 1: it would be between him and Quinn. One of them
Speaker 1: to me needs to be a priority because I think
Speaker 1: that if you look at how the Cowboys rushed the
Speaker 1: pass this year, I think those two guys were as
Speaker 1: successful as anybody on this team and doing so, are
Speaker 1: you bringing up Quinn now? Not necessarily, we could get
Speaker 1: to him because I'm just I guess the point I'm
Speaker 1: making is for Michael Bennett. For me, he would be
Speaker 1: a guy that I might make a priority again depending
Speaker 1: on how I look at both those two guys, and
Speaker 1: I would definitely make one of them a priority. I
Speaker 1: think you need one of them because I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: see anybody else on this team that I think is
Speaker 1: ready to be that role that either one of those
Speaker 1: guys played. Yeah, let's go ahead and moved to Robert Quinn. O,
Speaker 1: well that since we did it, what did you have
Speaker 1: on that one? I would absolutely he needs to be
Speaker 1: a priority, and no offense to Michael Bennett, but at
Speaker 1: this stage of his career, I just I don't know
Speaker 1: if he can be what Robert Quinn can be, which
Speaker 1: is a full time bookend ten sack guy. Like I
Speaker 1: don't know if Bennett is doing that. If he gets
Speaker 1: sixty five seventy five percent of the snaps, I don't
Speaker 1: know if he can hold up. He's I think he's
Speaker 1: turning thirty four or thirty five this year. Quinn is thirty,
Speaker 1: which he's still got. It reminds me a lot of
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Swear. Honestly, you know had a downturn in Dallas.
Speaker 1: He was one of the only talented players on the team,
Speaker 1: didn't wasn't great for a couple of years, went to
Speaker 1: a much more talented team, was still pretty damn good.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is, I know the markets changed
Speaker 1: over the last six years. He didn't break the bank.
Speaker 1: Like he got a nice contract with Denver, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't nuts. He did three years for thirty million. If
Speaker 1: you tell me I can get Robert Quinn for that,
Speaker 1: I'm so on board. It's not even funny because the
Speaker 1: funny like, there's a misconception that the Cowboys aren't going
Speaker 1: to have any money when they're done paying Dak and Amari.
Speaker 1: That's not true. They got money. They got plenty, They
Speaker 1: got a lot of money. Because you got to think
Speaker 1: about this. If you have twenty six free agents, that
Speaker 1: means twenty six guys are coming off the books. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of guys to sign, but that's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys that are not getting paid anymore until
Speaker 1: you have to, you know, pay them again, so they
Speaker 1: have money. Robert Quinn is a rare situation of a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl caliber starter who probably wouldn't just absolutely blow
Speaker 1: the bank on the open market because of his age,
Speaker 1: because of you know, you know, downward trend. You're paying
Speaker 1: for what you're getting, not for what's already happened, all
Speaker 1: that stuff. So I think you could get him for
Speaker 1: a modest fee by free agency standards, and that's what
Speaker 1: makes it appealing because then you think about what you're
Speaker 1: losing in the secondary, I mean, and you can't replace
Speaker 1: it all in the draft. And so that's a guy
Speaker 1: if you could get him back here for two or
Speaker 1: three years at a expensive but modest price, Hell yeah, Amber,
Speaker 1: I think out of that group, I would try definitely
Speaker 1: to keep Robert Quinn. I think there are other guys
Speaker 1: the tackle position too that can be changed and maybe upgraded,
Speaker 1: and hopefully with the new coaching staff they can improve
Speaker 1: because obviously there was lack of productivity last year without
Speaker 1: I mean, when you look at all these guys, they're talented,
Speaker 1: and you were expecting the defensive line to be very
Speaker 1: productive this year and it just wasn't happening for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: Especially and you know, we've talked about DeMarcus Lawrence and
Speaker 1: the big money contract that he got and although he
Speaker 1: was he didn't play bad, but it wasn't what you
Speaker 1: were expecting. So I would hope that they make smarter
Speaker 1: decisions this year and that hopefully the coaches can bring
Speaker 1: in and change what was happening there and figure out
Speaker 1: what the problem was last year and make it better
Speaker 1: that way. But I would try to keep Quinn. You know,
Speaker 1: one wildcard to all this is what kind of scheme
Speaker 1: that they're playing. I mean, I think that they're gonna
Speaker 1: still play a four to three, but Jim Mike Nolan
Speaker 1: has had a lot of success with three four. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they'll make that switch. But remember about
Speaker 1: Robert Quinny went to the Dolphins in the three four scheme.
Speaker 1: It wasn't didn't really work out. They got rid of them.
Speaker 1: They're ready to trade him for what sixth round pick
Speaker 1: because he wasn't a good fit there. I think that
Speaker 1: a four three scheme is where he needs to be.
Speaker 1: So they need to figure that part out too, because
Speaker 1: that'll affect his decision on where he goes. Right, all right,
Speaker 1: let's let's move on. Let's talk about Believe Collins. Same
Speaker 1: thing about the scheme. I mean, you know, let's assume
Speaker 1: three until until total otherwise, man, Yeah, that's where the
Speaker 1: issue is for me, it's the defensive tackle spot. I
Speaker 1: think they need to change their priorities there, make sure
Speaker 1: and really upgrade that. Don't try to find you know,
Speaker 1: because you found Antoine Woods. That's fine, you tried to
Speaker 1: find Nick Hayden. I mean trying to find these guys.
Speaker 1: Get give me the guy that's picked. I know they
Speaker 1: picked in Tristan Hill, but do it again, do it again? Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but the words always been, and you guys can
Speaker 1: can correct me if I'm wrong, but the words always
Speaker 1: been that that Marinelli didn't necessarily always agree with some
Speaker 1: of the guys that they would have maybe considered drafting
Speaker 1: who would have been really great or at least were
Speaker 1: high profile. Um, you know ti talent type guys on
Speaker 1: that defensive line. Now that he's gone, presumably is this
Speaker 1: a situation? I get it, But do you do you
Speaker 1: do you presume at this point that maybe that opens
Speaker 1: the door for them to at least have a different
Speaker 1: perspective because the guy that's in the room saying, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't think we need that guy is no longer here. Yes,
Speaker 1: and it's one of the going back to AG's point,
Speaker 1: is like that, like I'm excited about so much stuff
Speaker 1: because it's different. Like you know, last year and every
Speaker 1: year for the last seven years, you're like, well, they
Speaker 1: don't like safety and they don't like spending big resources
Speaker 1: on defensive tackles. Don't know that that's true anymore. It
Speaker 1: theoretically could be, but we don't know that. And we
Speaker 1: know Will and his staff take heavy amounts of input
Speaker 1: from the coaching staff. We know every year around April
Speaker 1: the narrative starts to change when the coaches really start
Speaker 1: to dive into the tape. And it'll be fascinating to
Speaker 1: see what Jim tom Sula and some of these other
Speaker 1: guys think, because I think it's gonna be different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that means they're going to draft
Speaker 1: the safety or a defensive tackle at seventeen. But again,
Speaker 1: it's it's fresh and it's new, and you can't sit
Speaker 1: here and say, well, we hate safeties because these guys
Speaker 1: might not. The other guys did, but they're gone. Ally Collins,
Speaker 1: for some reason, I feel like his time here is
Speaker 1: just he did what he needed to do for you,
Speaker 1: gave you what he needed to give you, and that's it.
Speaker 1: I see. The cow was kind of moving on from him.
Speaker 1: And trying to upgrade the position. Now that he was
Speaker 1: a bad he was a pretty good player and he
Speaker 1: lasted a good while. But I think it's time to
Speaker 1: transition from him. I don't think that they'll be able
Speaker 1: to compete with the money. I think that some team.
Speaker 1: You think he's gonna get it like a big off, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I think so somebody will will figure out
Speaker 1: what he does and go, you know, this is exactly
Speaker 1: the type of guy that we need. I think they'll
Speaker 1: they'll let him test free agency, they'll want to come,
Speaker 1: they'll say all the things that they want him to
Speaker 1: come back, and before you know it, on day two
Speaker 1: a free agency, he's going to have some seventy million
Speaker 1: dollar deal with Jacksonville or something like that. It wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me. I don't know. I don't know about not
Speaker 1: that high, and I don't know about the number. But
Speaker 1: I think I think he'll get a contract that'll surprise people. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean he plays three technique, he's capable of getting
Speaker 1: six sacks. Yeah, he's got a lot of pressure for
Speaker 1: that position. So it's should the Cowboys be really considering
Speaker 1: bringing him back with a different guy in his ear?
Speaker 1: They might they might though that That's what we talked
Speaker 1: about last you know, the last time we saw this
Speaker 1: with Parcels. He had a different vision of Flozell Adams
Speaker 1: than the Cowboys had before. Maybe he comes in and says,
Speaker 1: we are signing Malik. You kidding me? I signed Malik
Speaker 1: before I signed a Mark. I mean, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he says that, but he could. I mean, just based
Speaker 1: off of what Tom Sula and him what really won
Speaker 1: on their defense. These conversations are a bummer because it
Speaker 1: makes me you know, I don't mean to sound like
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a good player, but that to
Speaker 1: me is rather than try to get into a bidding war,
Speaker 1: you draft well and replace that. He was pick sixty seven,
Speaker 1: third round pick, Like you should be able to find
Speaker 1: that production again without spending crazy resources on it. Should.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's and that's the pressure that's on the
Speaker 1: front office is finding those also. Sorry to keep going
Speaker 1: with this, but there's factors on everything. If I know
Speaker 1: that Tyrone Crawford's coming back, and hey, I think you
Speaker 1: can get him at at a cheaper price, maybe I
Speaker 1: think I think he is. I think he's going to
Speaker 1: be back, and I think he will will be an
Speaker 1: understricted free agent until twenty one, but they may be
Speaker 1: able to do some think they can work on his
Speaker 1: deal a little bit. I think he comes back. I
Speaker 1: think they missed him a lot last year, so you know,
Speaker 1: would make him a tackle. Yeah, well the other and
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna get to him if we don't
Speaker 1: run out of time. But I'd be a lot more
Speaker 1: willing to resign Malie Collins if I know I don't
Speaker 1: have a shot at Byron Jones. But if i'd have
Speaker 1: a shot at Byron Jones, I'd rather use that money there,
Speaker 1: and it all ties together. We will probably not get
Speaker 1: there to Byron Jones today. I got a few more
Speaker 1: defensive a linement we gotta get to. But we will
Speaker 1: get to that. If not today, then again next week.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about a couple of guys that I think
Speaker 1: are kind of in a similar boat, Christian Covington carry Hyder.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think from a standpoint of those
Speaker 1: guys coming back again? These were hired guns that you
Speaker 1: kind of brought in this free agency. I hope they
Speaker 1: could give you something at times. Made a couple of
Speaker 1: plays here and ne'er turn some heads every once in
Speaker 1: a while. But what do you think about them going forward?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't you know they're gonna sleep well if they
Speaker 1: don't come back. I mean if if they sign with
Speaker 1: someone else, I think they'll be fine. But I do
Speaker 1: think Hyder might be a guy that if it works out,
Speaker 1: he can come back. I mean, you do need some
Speaker 1: depth on the defensive. Defensive, I mean they don't. They
Speaker 1: don't have Taco obviously, and I mean these are guys
Speaker 1: that they were trying to get on this team for
Speaker 1: the last few years. I don't think Dorn's Armstrong has
Speaker 1: turned the corner to the point where you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know he's the savior. I mean, you don't have
Speaker 1: any answers there. And if Quinn and Bennett leave, then
Speaker 1: I mean you gotta do something. They need the bodies.
Speaker 1: You need the bodies, and I think I think Hyder
Speaker 1: is pretty good. But again, if somebody pays it more,
Speaker 1: I think he's gone. It's a cop out too. It
Speaker 1: goes back to the point is like I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know what these guys value yet, Like it's a
Speaker 1: good guess. You know, they bring in Kerry Hyder. These
Speaker 1: are guys that Rod looked at and was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he can do what I want them to do. This
Speaker 1: staff might have a completely different idea, or to Nick's point,
Speaker 1: they could be like, oh, hell yeah, this guy's perfect
Speaker 1: for what we want to do. And if that's the case,
Speaker 1: bring them both back. I thought they're both they were
Speaker 1: both solid, they're both good locker room dudes. That's fine
Speaker 1: with me. But it doesn't make or break anything. I
Speaker 1: think it's just going to depend on what they value.
Speaker 1: Covington was a little disappointing in the sense that he
Speaker 1: just didn't make that much of an impact. And I
Speaker 1: know that that position is not going to but there
Speaker 1: were chances to do that. I mean, they had to
Speaker 1: go out and get Michael Bennett because you know, Tristan
Speaker 1: Hill wasn't doing what they wanted him to do, and
Speaker 1: there was opportunities for Covington to kind of to make
Speaker 1: a splash. Every down again. He would, but it just
Speaker 1: it wasn't to the point where I thought he might
Speaker 1: be a little bit better than that. Yeah, honestly, that's
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I expected from him, was that,
Speaker 1: especially at that position. There would be a handful of
Speaker 1: times this year where you would notice him and be like, wow,
Speaker 1: that was was pretty good. Now, the fact that they
Speaker 1: had some games where they just couldn't stop the run.
Speaker 1: That's why I wonder a little bit about a lot
Speaker 1: of these defensive linemen. Was that a matter of scheme?
Speaker 1: Was that a matter of them just not doing their jobs? Well,
Speaker 1: that's where I think the question really for me comes
Speaker 1: with a lot of these guys that are free agents
Speaker 1: on the defensive line. He's a neutral guy. He's one
Speaker 1: of those that's not really going to push the pocket
Speaker 1: either way. He's not gonna get blown off the ball
Speaker 1: back into the you know, the safety, and he's not
Speaker 1: always gonna which is a horrible thing one time that
Speaker 1: you just kind of hold your ground a little bit.
Speaker 1: So that's there's something to be said for that. But
Speaker 1: I mean depends on how much you're paying a guy
Speaker 1: to do, how I see it. For those two guys,
Speaker 1: it depends what I do with these other starters. Are
Speaker 1: you keeping them? If so, then I would try to
Speaker 1: upgrade from those backups positions in the rotation and all that.
Speaker 1: Or if you are making a change in those starters,
Speaker 1: then I would maybe consider keeping those just to keep.
Speaker 1: Like not that you need a familiar face, but somebody
Speaker 1: that you know what has done here and knows, although
Speaker 1: they're not gonna know because you got to hold your
Speaker 1: coaching staff. But I don't know. I like one of
Speaker 1: the two to be a constant. You know, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: necessarily prefer to replace both. I would just replace one.
Speaker 1: Let's not forget too about defensive tackle Antoine Woods. It's
Speaker 1: probably going to be a suspension. You're gonna have a
Speaker 1: suspension for the first four games of the season. I
Speaker 1: mean he was arrested. I mean that there's something to
Speaker 1: be said for that. I mean you also have a
Speaker 1: restrictive free agent and Daniel Ross who missed the last
Speaker 1: part of the season as well an injury. But both
Speaker 1: those guys have been arrested, right, so both those guys
Speaker 1: are probably going to be facing some kind of yeah
Speaker 1: something from the league. You can't imagine Ross being a
Speaker 1: part of this anymore because they almost he was out
Speaker 1: the door and then he got hurt, and then he's here.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be here. I'm surprised he's
Speaker 1: still around, honestly, because when he got arrested, I thought
Speaker 1: maybe they would, you know, get something there. That's a
Speaker 1: which I totally understand your point about Antoine, but we
Speaker 1: waited all year to hear something about Tyrone Crawford too
Speaker 1: and never did. That's true. It's hard trying to predict
Speaker 1: league disciplinary stuff. You might go into next season for
Speaker 1: the first four games and have have multiple guys that
Speaker 1: could be facing Oh well, no, I mean, if nothing
Speaker 1: happened to Tyrone before, I assume it's not going to happen. Now.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, well, you know what, great point. You
Speaker 1: have no fun trying to predict what the league does
Speaker 1: with any of that stuff. I can tell you it'll
Speaker 1: happen on a day when we're not in the office
Speaker 1: because it'll all come always happened like that. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: UM tell you what. Let's get to to Sean Lee
Speaker 1: at linebacker unrestricted free agent. Why are you laughing? Just wait?
Speaker 1: You said it like I was like, who's to Shawn Lee? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's what That's how I heard it
Speaker 1: was Sean Lee. I was laughing because like two years ago,
Speaker 1: he's not a Shawn either. That's why I was laughing.
Speaker 1: The dominant storyline was that like the team just fell
Speaker 1: apart when he couldn't there, and now it's sort of like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's get to Shaun Lee got about him to Sea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you really needed him when Layton went out. He helped
Speaker 1: ye out last year. He was one of your better
Speaker 1: defensive players. Yeah, if he wants to keep playing football,
Speaker 1: come on back as and assuming he's comfortable with the
Speaker 1: same role, because I mean, Layton and Jalen are are
Speaker 1: in place to be your starters. Just know, Layton did
Speaker 1: have successful next surgery earlier. This week's supposedly successful next surgery. Again,
Speaker 1: we don't know for sure. That's just the reports that
Speaker 1: it was a successful neck surgery he had. He's expected
Speaker 1: to be fine for the offseason program. So again, I mean,
Speaker 1: Sean's probably not going to be a Day one starter here.
Speaker 1: And if he's okay with that, he proved his value
Speaker 1: in spades this year. I'd love to have him back.
Speaker 1: If he wants to keep playing football. I think it's
Speaker 1: like he was okay last year with it. Yeah, nothing
Speaker 1: I've gotten. I have gotten no indication that he's like
Speaker 1: mad about being the third linebacker on this team. If
Speaker 1: he wants to, I mean I don't It's hard to
Speaker 1: imagine him not being involved in football. So if I
Speaker 1: had to guess, like by March, he's going to be
Speaker 1: so anty to be doing football stuff again, I would
Speaker 1: guess he tries to play another year. But we'll see.
Speaker 1: Money will not be an issue. He would be happy
Speaker 1: to just sign whatever. So is his wife happy for
Speaker 1: him to sign whatever? I'm sure she enjoys. The funny
Speaker 1: thing I thought yesterday, Luke Keikley retired yesterday. He's like
Speaker 1: significantly younger than Lee, and I know he had concussion issues,
Speaker 1: but like had significantly healthier career, Like I would have
Speaker 1: never guessed Luke Keikley would retire before Sean Lee. Oh,
Speaker 1: Luke did have his injury issues. He had. You know,
Speaker 1: he had concussion problems for sure, But I mean Sean
Speaker 1: has missed thirty five percent of the possible games he
Speaker 1: could have played in or something like that. I always
Speaker 1: thought of always thought of Luke Keikley as what Sean
Speaker 1: Lee could have been without. He was that good. I
Speaker 1: love Sean Lee like I think it's great. But you
Speaker 1: have to look at both sides of this, and war
Speaker 1: was the one problem that was the biggest glaring issue
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys last year. Where did they just consistently
Speaker 1: struggle in specifically special team. Oh oh yeah, okay, special team.
Speaker 1: Oh that thing does trickle down. If you have a
Speaker 1: guy that you're's your third linebacker, but he's not playing
Speaker 1: special teams, then that means these other guys have to
Speaker 1: be on the roster to play special teams, and then
Speaker 1: that that just kind of sects your whole roster a
Speaker 1: little bit. It's like having that older receiver that doesn't
Speaker 1: play special teams, but he's your fourth guy, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like that he doesn't help. I get that. But
Speaker 1: with a position like linebacker, where you have two guys
Speaker 1: that honestly I don't know if I trust their health
Speaker 1: and they're three guys. Now, yeah, but yeah, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you got a guy's got a remake leg after having
Speaker 1: more rific injury. Okay, clear view, um. But but the
Speaker 1: point of the matter is you got him, and then
Speaker 1: you got a guy that just had neck surgery. And
Speaker 1: my thing is, like two guys like that, I think
Speaker 1: I gotta have My third linebacker has to be somebody
Speaker 1: that I can plug and play because I know that
Speaker 1: those two I just don't completely trust that they're gonna
Speaker 1: be there. I think he is funny. He's well worth
Speaker 1: what you lose on the on the roster for the
Speaker 1: insurance policy. And I think he proved that. I just
Speaker 1: think that's something that they all have to kind of
Speaker 1: factor in because it's funny. How now, Sean Lee is
Speaker 1: the plug and play guy. You know, he's the one
Speaker 1: that you can rely on, right right, But but I'll
Speaker 1: say this, Giffer is still developing. True. Having him on
Speaker 1: the sideline, though, like having him on the settling is
Speaker 1: very valuable because he's a vocal guy. He can you know,
Speaker 1: it's like those basketball coaches that coach the floor and
Speaker 1: then there's something that coach the bench. Those guys are
Speaker 1: getting valuable instruction there, and I think Sean Lee does
Speaker 1: that bring Bring Yeah, Luke Gifford's coming back. And then
Speaker 1: let's spend a seventh round draft pick on some badass
Speaker 1: from a school I've never heard of who has nine
Speaker 1: thousand career tackles and be perfect and about forty ken dicussions.
Speaker 1: Sure come home, jeez, man, I'm just saying, you've been
Speaker 1: in a lot of car wrecks. If you're doing that,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you're playing at Chadron State or Ohio state,
Speaker 1: they'll use your shoulder. Oh, got your head right? All right.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you guys join us. We'll be back on
Speaker 1: next Wednesday. When we come back next Wedesday, we all
Speaker 1: gonna talk about we're gonna fish up this list. There
Speaker 1: are quite a few more defensive guys that will be
Speaker 1: unrestricted free agents, and we'll talk about all those guys
Speaker 1: still then for Nick Eton, Dave helm At, Amber Garcia,
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