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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for

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Speaker 1: a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, And so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, January fifteenth, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen, episode

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Speaker 1: number one eleven. Welcome to another edition of The Break.

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Speaker 1: We are live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at

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Speaker 1: the Star and lots of things breaking this morning. Things

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Speaker 1: We got to talk about Hall of Fame announcements. A

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Speaker 1: couple of guys have gotten into the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 1: one glaring omission. We'll talk about that a little bit.

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Speaker 1: We'll also talk a little bit about the coach staff,

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Speaker 1: a few guys that have been reported to be added

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Speaker 1: to this team, although there's been no official report by

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Speaker 1: the team, but we'll talk about some of those names,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll finish the process of what we were

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Speaker 1: doing a few weeks ago when we were talking about

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Speaker 1: the offensive players who are free agents and whether you

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Speaker 1: want to see them come back. We're now going to

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Speaker 1: flip over the defensive side of the ball. We'll go

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Speaker 1: through some of those names for you guys, give you

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Speaker 1: some perspective on what's going to be happening here in

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Speaker 1: free agency. How's everybody filling day? I feel great, great,

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Speaker 1: I know you're doing. Congratulations Dave. I've said before, but

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it on the air. Congratulations to you

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Speaker 1: and Yo Tigers. Thank you National champion. David Hellman appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: If we could get the intro changed to that, that

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Speaker 1: would be cool. But nobody wants to listen to me

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Speaker 1: talk about LSU. We can talk about You're in the

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Speaker 1: midst of all of that happening. Somehow I found myself

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Speaker 1: in the Tigers Instagram page and looking over like a

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Speaker 1: thousand pictures of just the Tiger. Are you a fan now? Not?

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Speaker 1: Poor Tiger got me in just looking at all these

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Speaker 1: different pictures and comments like the captions, Yeah they're pretty funny.

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Speaker 1: Good but um, congratulations to you and the Tigers. That

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Speaker 1: was a good game, fun watch. And now we go

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Speaker 1: into almost drought season, probably football, probably Odell just giving

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Speaker 1: was fake. That was so uncomfortable like that. That shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be on camera. Now, how are we doing this? Anyway?

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Speaker 1: Let's jump in, right, let's jump in. Let's talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about the Pro Football Hall of Fame. We

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Speaker 1: found out on Sunday, Uh that Jimmy Johnson gets into

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. To me, very very well deserved

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Speaker 1: a guy who had two Super Bowls here with the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: You can talk to the people in Miami. They may

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Speaker 1: he's deserving. He ties Landry, I mean, Landry's got two,

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Speaker 1: Like he helped you know, the you all that cool stuff. Again,

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Speaker 1: But what I don't understand is how a guy like him,

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Speaker 1: had some conversations about the possibility of maybe a Jason

426
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Speaker 1: Witten being there, but McCarthy got the job. Derek. Yeah,

427
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 1: Nick never said tends now. I said that, and I

428
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 1: thought you agree with me, but maybe not again. Jason

429
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 1: Witten didn't go through the Big Ten network to cover

430
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,479
Speaker 1: games on Saturdays at eleven. He went to Monday Night

431
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 1: Football like he's going he's going big or going home.

432
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 1: And I think that's really what's happening. I don't think

433
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. I don't think that's what He's gonna

434
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,640
Speaker 1: have to work it up a little bit. Yeah, you gotta.

435
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 1: You can't start at head coach in the NFL. Who

436
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 1: does he coach? Steve Kerr? I mean maybe so, I

437
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 1: think he was trying to be Steve Kerr. And yeah,

438
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna happen now. Probably not all right.

439
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,400
Speaker 1: But but one name is interesting to me that's been

440
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 1: tossed out there and uh and it has been linked

441
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys. The running back spot is Skip Pete,

442
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: a guy that was here from I think two thousand

443
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,639
Speaker 1: and seven to twelve, UM as running backs coach. Uh

444
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 1: Nick talked me a little about what you know of

445
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 1: Skip Pete for the time he was here, some of

446
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,880
Speaker 1: the guys he coached and what that looked like. Yeah,

447
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 1: he was on Wade Phillips staff. He coached the Julius

448
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,959
Speaker 1: Jones and Marian Barber for that first year that he

449
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: was here, and then um, they drafted Felix Jones. I

450
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 1: guess they drafted DeMarco Murray. Um. He wasn't around for

451
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: Murray's great year there in fourteen. But you know, he's

452
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: he's a he's a coach, a veteran guy. You know,

453
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: brother of Rodney Pete. He's been around a while football

454
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 1: family for sure, and uh, you know, a personable guy.

455
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,959
Speaker 1: You'll you'll just like Gary Brown, I mean the same thing.

456
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: I mean, not just like him, but like he'll he'll

457
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: talk to you in the hall and he'll he'll have

458
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: some conversations. He's he's a fun guy to be around.

459
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: So but as far as coach, I mean, it's really

460
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 1: in this case, it's do you relate to Zeke? You

461
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 1: know which you know, can you can you get him

462
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 1: to play and not just play the running back coaches

463
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: is in the meetings and being engaged and and and

464
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: practice and things like that. I thought Gary did a

465
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: nice job there. So if they're going to replace that,

466
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: I mean that's line one is how you work with Zeke. Yeah,

467
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: good point. He has been with Todd Gurley for the

468
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: last several years up and with the Rams. He's good.

469
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 1: He's pretty good. I just you know, you talk about

470
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: like overcorrecting a lot of times, like, well, they tried

471
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 1: the guy who'd never been a head coach, and they

472
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 1: they fixed that by getting the guy who's been a

473
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: head coach for twelve years. Like look and it's all reported,

474
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: but look at the resumes on this coaching staff, Like,

475
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: you know, we had the first year's special teams coordinator

476
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: and the first year offensive coordinator and all these guys

477
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: who had never done it before. And it is not

478
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: the case now because I mean, Skip Pete's been coaching

479
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: in the NFL since the nineties. Wells the tight end coach,

480
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: he's actually started at LSU shout out Tigers, but he's

481
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 1: been in the league for ten years. Fossil has been

482
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: in the year in the league forever. Joe Philbin half

483
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: of these guys have been a head coaches at some point,

484
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: So m Tom Seula has been a head coach, Mike

485
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: Nolan's been a head coach. Can't critics, can't say they

486
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: don't know what they're doing. You think they could be

487
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: a problem that many guys that have been a head coach.

488
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: Seems like there was a time here with the Cowboys

489
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: when that was the case, when they had a lot

490
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: of former head coaches on the staff. And I don't

491
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: think it's a problem just because as long as again,

492
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: as long as the person who is who is the

493
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: head coach hired those guys, Yeah, then there's a clear line.

494
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 1: They understand who's ultimately calling the shot, and they're stepping

495
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: into the role knowing that's the guy I'm ultimately reporting too,

496
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: so I'm going to work within his program. And I

497
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: think personally, most head coaches probably look at it like,

498
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: I know what it's like to be that guy. I

499
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: want to do everything I can to support that guy,

500
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: knowing how hard it is if you don't have on

501
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: your staff everybody pulling in the same direction. Well, I

502
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: think what the cool thing that I'm seeing is them

503
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 1: bringing in all these different guys with different perspective, different

504
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: backgrounds and from the outside, because ic always are used

505
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: to bringing up their own guys, like promoting somebody within

506
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: the organization, and to me, I mean that was part

507
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: of the problem, is you don't necessarily have the kind

508
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: of experience that you need and the kind of different

509
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: mentality that you need also in order to fix a problem,

510
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: because an outsider looks at things very different than an insider.

511
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: So I'm really excited about that aspect. Only time will tell.

512
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: But it's cool, not cool, because when I think of

513
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: people's dog I get sad, especially when you know all

514
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: these people and transitioning like that, it's kind of hard.

515
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: But as a fan, as a Cowboys fan, it's very

516
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: exciting and promising once again to see a whole new

517
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: staff with the young group of guys that you have

518
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: as players, which essentially and we're you know, we've been

519
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: talking about free agency and all of those, but essentially

520
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: this team is gonna stay pretty intact, I think, by

521
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: the group of guys that we've been talking about, and

522
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: especially if they keep Dak and Amari Cooper, so that's promising.

523
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: One of my biggest concerns was always like the life

524
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: expectancy of players and the Cowboys kind of wasting the

525
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: time that they had of all the young talent and

526
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: kind of letting them walk away. But things might be

527
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: finally turning around. And I hate this because every year,

528
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: once again, when I say I am done with this team,

529
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: I am upset. This is ridiculous every time, although this

530
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 1: is a whole new scenario, but I'm always back in

531
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: and feeling excited and saying, Okay, that's every fan though,

532
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: how many fans, every fan of every team in every sport.

533
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 1: So it makes it fun, right when they say it's

534
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: so fun When they say I've been a fan since

535
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: the sixties or the seventies or whatever and I'm done,

536
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not done. If you're done, you would

537
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: have been done in eighty nine. You would have been

538
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: done in eighty eighty nine, and you know ninety seven

539
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: and two thousand and one and two and three. You

540
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: always find yourself finding different reasons as to why this

541
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 1: year is the year and why this year will be

542
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: different than the other. Until this changes, that about until

543
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,239
Speaker 1: this changes and I'm pointing at the star behind this year.

544
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: Until that changes that, you're just gonna You're gonna keep

545
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: getting sucked back in. That's that's what happened. And by

546
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: the way, it's every team in the league, like every

547
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: every fan does this. Why would Why wouldn't you want

548
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: to get sucked in? Like they made the changes that

549
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: that that you want them to make. Like you know,

550
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: there's talent on this team. You got they got rid

551
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: of the coach you don't like so much, they're shuffling

552
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: up the staff, not talking about you, amber talk about

553
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: generally the rhetorical you. It's like, right, I would feel

554
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: a lot, I would feel boundless optimism for this team. Well,

555
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,239
Speaker 1: like I mentioned a few weeks ago, when we were

556
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: talking about this and and me asking the question as to, Okay,

557
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: how long do you expect things to kind of start

558
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: working together and connect when you're going through such a

559
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: big transition, And that is my concern again this is

560
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: you just have to go through it to see how

561
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: it turns out, and it's part of that kind of process.

562
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: But it always brings me back in, Okay, how much

563
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: time are we going to have these young guys playing

564
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: for the team, and how long is it going to

565
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: take this whole coaching staff to kind of start clicking together?

566
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: And like you guys mentioned sometimes it happens right away

567
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: with new coaching changes. But because I have not lived

568
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: through that and seen it happen with my own eyes,

569
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: that always concerns me. As two, Okay, how long does

570
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: it take to for it to click? But you know, sorry,

571
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: what stayed, what's staying the same. And this is honestly

572
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: what excites me most. The guys that are gonna be

573
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: talking to Dak Prescott are the only holdovers on this team.

574
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: You're keeping Kellen Moore, good point. You're moving Doug nuss

575
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: Meyer to quarterbacks coach, which I know he was the

576
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: tight ends coach, but I'm sure he's got a relationship

577
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: with Dak. He's a former quarterback. He also am looking

578
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 1: at his resume, it's in retrospect, it's weird that he

579
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: was coaching tight ends in first place, Like, yeah, he

580
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: was a quarterbacks coach for his entire career, or a

581
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: quarterback coach every night of his of his life. Isn't

582
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: his son one of the best quarter One is a

583
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: coveted high school quarterback who is looking at LSU Texas

584
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: and Texas It's fine, that's fine, We'll give you that

585
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: for now. Yeah, sure, we're champions. We don't care. I mean,

586
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to make this about myself. But the

587
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: whole time Amber was just given that spiel I was like,

588
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: look as somebody whose team just won the way it

589
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: is worth it. Man. And by the way, the last

590
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: couple of years, like you did not go into this

591
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: year thinking that what's gonna happen now? So yeah, that's

592
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: not at all. And another they've had doubts every game

593
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: because I listened to him upstairs. It's like, I don't

594
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: know about being a fan is agony of the time

595
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: for that one percent, that's just like worth it, definitely

596
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: worth it. But you know you're asking the question of

597
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: can't they turn this thing around? Think about you know,

598
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: can this coaching staff, can this Can this new group

599
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: give you, you know another touchdown every game? Just just

600
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: another touchdown or you know four points here on offense

601
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: and you know one field goal stop on defense or

602
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: something like that. Let's just say seven more points. Seven

603
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: more points each game gives you four or five more wins. Yeah,

604
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: And and the unique part is is I've argued with

605
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: me for you thinking that what happened last year is

606
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: going to carry over into this hold on hold on

607
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: I I know, I've argued with Mickey over and over

608
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: for years. He was like, well, these four games, if

609
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: you get an extra field goal, you win. There's always

610
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: four or five games where you're like, yeah, but you

611
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: got lucky to win this. In this particular case, it's

612
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: very unique. They blew out just about every team that

613
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: they beat. They lost these close games. So it is

614
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: kind of a weird thing because they were clearly better

615
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: than the teams they played and just not good enough

616
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: on some of the other ones. And I think if

617
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: you can get better in that sense, I think that

618
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: you can have a quick turnaround. I think they can

619
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: win four or five of those games. That's a big

620
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: difference in the record, and then that change. And my

621
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: belief is, and again this is just my belief. My

622
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: belief is that the reason why you saw those kinds

623
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: of swings is because of the inexperience on this staff.

624
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: It suggested to me that they were good enough to

625
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: beat bad teams and to blow them out when they

626
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: got into games with really good teams. They didn't have

627
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: that extra amount of experience that could maybe get them

628
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: over a hump when they're in a rough part of

629
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: a game and trying to figure out how to dig

630
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: their way out. They didn't have enough experience to be

631
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: able to do that, and that personally, that's how I

632
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: look at this season. So for me, if you're talking

633
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: now coaching staff that has a ton of experience, then

634
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: you take a team like this and maybe they can

635
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: take those games and win half of those games that

636
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: they lost very close. If they win half of those,

637
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: now you got a whole different season. You're in the playoffs,

638
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Speaker 1: and you feel pretty good about what they can do

639
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Speaker 1: in the playoffs against some of these better teams NFC especially.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's say it's even just two two

641
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Speaker 1: games and they're ten and six, and I mean, have

642
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Speaker 1: you been watching these playoffs? Like I know the Texans choked,

643
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Speaker 1: but like the Titans are in the AFC title game,

644
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Speaker 1: it hasn't been in the vikings beating you know, home

645
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Speaker 1: the Why can't I talk the same to get in

646
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Speaker 1: won a home game against the Saints, all you gotta

647
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Speaker 1: do is be there. Yeah, and we are seeing that

648
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Speaker 1: play out in front of us. And I still kind

649
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Speaker 1: of think it's gonna be one seed verse one seed

650
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Speaker 1: in the super Bowl, but who knows. We'll see and

651
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Speaker 1: to just speak to the point good and see, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City is the two. Oh wow, you're the one.

653
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Speaker 1: You're right. I'm sorry, you're right, but you're teams with

654
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: home field advantage. Who won third? You're right? Wow? Yeah,

655
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Speaker 1: Baltimore freaking lost. I still can't. That was crazy, boy,

656
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Speaker 1: you got dominated. What's like, didn't even come close? Did

657
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Speaker 1: you see? All the comments on that are like, whoa,

658
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: they must fire the analytics coach there, you know, and

659
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Speaker 1: then it comes back to analytics. Oh yeah, I thought

660
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Speaker 1: analytics were saving football. You know. Well, I mean, and

661
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Speaker 1: I do believe this though, is like I mean, it's

662
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: so cyclical. Everybody's so small and so fast. It's almost

663
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: like a no brainer that a two hundred and fifty

664
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Speaker 1: pound running back is just annihilating people in the playoffs, Like,

665
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Speaker 1: and it's gonna and now everybody's gonna be like, no, see,

666
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: you gotta run the ball, and they're gonna try to

667
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Speaker 1: get back to running the ball, and on and on

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Speaker 1: and on we go. There you go. And just to

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Speaker 1: answer your question, Amber, you look at just in this

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Speaker 1: this season alone, you can look at a team like

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Speaker 1: matte Floor's team in Green Bay. They are in the

672
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Speaker 1: NFC Championship game. And then you look at the opposite

673
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Speaker 1: in that coin, you got Freddy Kitchens. It was a

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Speaker 1: first year coach in Cleveland and now it is fired, right,

675
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: So it can go either way. When you have a

676
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: brand new coaching staff, they can be very very good.

677
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: You can also be very well. And also Matt Matt Lafleur,

678
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, he took over Mike McCarthy's teams, and you

679
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: know they just needed that extra push. And in Freddy

680
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: Kitchens took over Hugh Jackson's teams, who took over everyone else's.

681
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Speaker 1: I mean, I say it's it's almost like a cyclical

682
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Speaker 1: every year. He's not gonna say it on the record,

683
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Speaker 1: but I would love to know, because like the thing

684
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: about Mike McCarthy for years was that Ted Thompson wouldn't

685
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Speaker 1: go out of his way to give him help. And really,

686
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Speaker 1: the thing that's pushing the Packers toward the Super Bowl

687
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: at least a big factor is they dropped fat stacks

688
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Speaker 1: on pass rushers in the offseason. They got Preston Smith's

689
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Speaker 1: Darius Smith, Mike McCarthy's probably like where the hell was

690
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Speaker 1: this when I was the head coach? And he actually

691
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: made the comment last year, I got you. Yeah, he

692
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Speaker 1: made the last week. I'm actually gonna have more input

693
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Speaker 1: here than I had all those years in Green Bay.

694
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Speaker 1: And we know here he's not the decision maker. It

695
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: is a it's done by committee. But he says he's

696
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: gonna have way William put on that kind of stuff

697
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: than he did in Green Bay. So and he will.

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Speaker 1: I mean people, there's a misperception that Jerry goes out

699
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: in here and just says I do it my way.

700
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: That is not true. Jerry listens. In fact, the Jerry

701
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: Pyte listens more than he should. He listens to a

702
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: lot of people, right, It gets a lot of voices,

703
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: a lot of input, and you know he will be

704
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Speaker 1: one of them. Will McClay will continue to be one

705
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: of them. Stephen Jones, of course, so it he'll have

706
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Speaker 1: he'll have an input. And Jason Garrett had an input

707
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: to I mean like that that was that was part

708
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: of it. I mean that that happens. Yes, he's the GM,

709
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: but he listens to people. That's somebody asked me that

710
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: the other night. You know, you know, if Nussmers moving

711
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: to quarterbacks coach, it looks like John Kitten has done

712
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: here which I would have liked to see him stay.

713
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: It looked like his relationship. But no, Yeah, if I

714
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: could have picked anybody besides Kellen to stay on the staff,

715
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: it probably would have been him. But at the same time,

716
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 1: I gotta let my new head coach hire the guys

717
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Speaker 1: that he wants. Like, you're like, oh my god, he

718
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: didn't keep Kitten, that's a terrible idea. Well, if they'd

719
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Speaker 1: kept them, then Jerry makes all the decisions and slightly so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got you gotta let McArthur Leon wants to be

721
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Speaker 1: in alved In. This to Leon, let's still under a

722
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: contract and he's actually coaching this week with Gary Brown,

723
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Speaker 1: I believe at the East West Shrine game. That's whether

724
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Speaker 1: they're coaching that or the either that game or the

725
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: NFLPA game, one of the two, but they're actually coaching

726
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Speaker 1: the North South team whatever coaches. You had a chance

727
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: to sit down with with coach McCarthy last week and

728
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Speaker 1: talk to him, and one of the things that you

729
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: mentioned him was the importance of holding over some guys

730
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Speaker 1: to be able to kind of have a perspective on

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Speaker 1: what they knew of guys before this coaching staff got here.

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Speaker 1: What do you say about that, and what was your

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Speaker 1: take on Well, I mean he said that, yeah, that's

734
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Speaker 1: been part of coaching, you know, like a I don't

735
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Speaker 1: know if you would say like a unwritten rule. But

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Speaker 1: when you do take over a staff, you you don't

737
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Speaker 1: want to just wipe the slate clean because there are

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Speaker 1: these guys that you you look at and go, Okay, well,

739
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Speaker 1: why didn't he play well last year? Or what was

740
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: the thing? You know, you're just nice to have a

741
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Speaker 1: couple of guys on the staff that knows, hey, you

742
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: might want to coach him differently or this, And you know,

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Speaker 1: when you're talking about strength coaches and trainers, you do

744
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Speaker 1: want some holdovers there. So he said, it's just a balance.

745
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Speaker 1: It's a balance of finding guys that are that are new,

746
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Speaker 1: that that teach the message in a different way, but

747
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: also can relate to the players and kind of can

748
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Speaker 1: understand them. So it won't it won't be surprising to

749
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Speaker 1: me if there is a defensive coach, maybe it's Leon,

750
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Speaker 1: maybe some other guys that can stay over. I don't

751
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Speaker 1: even know what's up with Greg Jackson. I guess he's

752
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: he's he always kind of flies under the radar. There's

753
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: a safety's coach. But I've heard him say about nine

754
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: words since he got the job here so publicly at least.

755
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Speaker 1: So the one thing that you can say is that

756
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: you know Will is going to be here. And that's

757
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Speaker 1: the guy that when it comes to a player evaluation,

758
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: it's probably top guy in the organization. So he'll be

759
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: here to be able to give a lot of that

760
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: perspective regardless of who the coaches are about what the

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Speaker 1: players are, and what they expect from them and what

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Speaker 1: they you know, what they think they'll be able to do.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna take our final break. When we

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Speaker 1: come back, we're gonna get into the defensive side of

765
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Speaker 1: the ball. Talk about some free agents. Remember last time

766
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Speaker 1: we did this. We're gonna put him into three categories.

767
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Speaker 1: Make it work, if it works, or not gonna work.

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Speaker 1: the SWBC market mortgage studios at the Star, Let's talk

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Speaker 1: about free agency Cowboys. We talked at our on our

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Speaker 1: last show about the offensive free agents and special teams

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Speaker 1: free agents. I'm sorry specialists free agents that the Cowboys have.

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Speaker 1: But i want to talk about the defensive side of

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Speaker 1: the ball and I'm gonna throw out names. I want

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Speaker 1: you guys to put them in three different categories. And

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Speaker 1: the categories are make it work. You know the words,

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Speaker 1: they are a priority. You need to keep them if

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Speaker 1: it works. So that means if we can get a

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Speaker 1: good contract that that makes sense I'd like to see

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Speaker 1: them back and then not gonna work. That means let

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Speaker 1: them walk, don't worry about it. It's all good. You

818
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Speaker 1: can move on, you can find better talent. Let me

819
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Speaker 1: say this about if it works, because that seems like

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00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: that's any real easy one to throw in. If it

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Speaker 1: works also means that they go to March eighteenth, that

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00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,959
Speaker 1: believes the date for free agency, and get to test

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Speaker 1: the waters. Yeah, so that's that's rights a risk there is.

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Speaker 1: I just saying, well, if it works, if it works,

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Speaker 1: also that you go to a team that has a

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Speaker 1: lot more money than you and they pay him and

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Speaker 1: this is a big deal for these guys, are all right.

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Speaker 1: So let's start with a guy that got here at

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Speaker 1: middle of the season but had big impact, Michael Bennett.

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Speaker 1: What do we fall amber m I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind him being here again, but for some reason,

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Speaker 1: I just don't see him having another year here with

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00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, whether that's for money or whether he's hitting

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Speaker 1: Has he ever talked about retiring soon? Yeah? Yeah, So

835
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: he's hitting that time frame where he's kind of ready

836
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: to step away from the game. And you know, when

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00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: guys started speaking like that it's coming pretty soon. So

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Speaker 1: I just don't know. I probably don't think that the

839
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: money would work for another year with the Cowboys, so

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00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 1: I would say bye. I think I'm stealing the talking

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Speaker 1: point from either you or Rob. But it felt noteworthy

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Speaker 1: that his brother Martellis came to the final home game.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think about that, but yeah, that makes I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've never seen him at another game, Like Marty Bee's

845
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: got a bunch of stuff going on. He writes children's books,

846
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Speaker 1: and he took the time company took the time out

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Speaker 1: of his day to go to a week seventeen you

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Speaker 1: know game that think he actually lives in LA does

849
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: he know? I don't he doesn't live here. Yeah, ahead anyway,

850
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: but and I mean playoffs were kind of on the line,

851
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: but like not really, like you know, the season's probably

852
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: gonna end that day, and he came, true, Nick did not,

853
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: But it's fine, you're just taking you to wait for

854
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: day to get back true good point. I don't know.

855
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: I don't know Michael Bennett's mind, but I saw that

856
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, I wonder if this is going

857
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: to be his last football game? Yeah, um, if if

858
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: he wants to come back. I'm if it works, I'm

859
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: more than happy not going to break the bank. But

860
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: I I he obviously played well. I liked what he

861
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: brought to the locker room. I'd be all for it.

862
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: You know. There was also they reworked the contract in

863
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: the middle of the season, I think, to make him

864
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: a free agent. So, um, there's some there was some

865
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: speculation that that was part of the deal in the

866
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: first place. Yeah, you know, and you can really get

867
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: deep into the speculation of things that he's done in

868
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: the past, during the anthem and things he didn't do

869
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: this year, and maybe maybe there was some agreement to

870
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: all of that that maybe this is why he's a

871
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: free agent. If that's the case, then he probably wouldn't

872
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: come back. So I think they have to be part

873
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: ways there. I will say on the surface, just just

874
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: if you're talking about the play I would make him, well,

875
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: it would be between him and Quinn. One of them

876
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 1: to me needs to be a priority because I think

877
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: that if you look at how the Cowboys rushed the

878
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: pass this year, I think those two guys were as

879
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: successful as anybody on this team and doing so, are

880
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: you bringing up Quinn now? Not necessarily, we could get

881
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: to him because I'm just I guess the point I'm

882
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: making is for Michael Bennett. For me, he would be

883
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: a guy that I might make a priority again depending

884
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: on how I look at both those two guys, and

885
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: I would definitely make one of them a priority. I

886
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: think you need one of them because I don't necessarily

887
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: see anybody else on this team that I think is

888
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: ready to be that role that either one of those

889
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: guys played. Yeah, let's go ahead and moved to Robert Quinn. O,

890
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: well that since we did it, what did you have

891
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: on that one? I would absolutely he needs to be

892
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: a priority, and no offense to Michael Bennett, but at

893
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: this stage of his career, I just I don't know

894
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: if he can be what Robert Quinn can be, which

895
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: is a full time bookend ten sack guy. Like I

896
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: don't know if Bennett is doing that. If he gets

897
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: sixty five seventy five percent of the snaps, I don't

898
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: know if he can hold up. He's I think he's

899
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: turning thirty four or thirty five this year. Quinn is thirty,

900
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: which he's still got. It reminds me a lot of

901
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Swear. Honestly, you know had a downturn in Dallas.

902
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: He was one of the only talented players on the team,

903
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: didn't wasn't great for a couple of years, went to

904
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: a much more talented team, was still pretty damn good.

905
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: And the other thing is, I know the markets changed

906
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: over the last six years. He didn't break the bank.

907
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: Like he got a nice contract with Denver, but it

908
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: wasn't nuts. He did three years for thirty million. If

909
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: you tell me I can get Robert Quinn for that,

910
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: I'm so on board. It's not even funny because the

911
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: funny like, there's a misconception that the Cowboys aren't going

912
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 1: to have any money when they're done paying Dak and Amari.

913
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: That's not true. They got money. They got plenty, They

914
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: got a lot of money. Because you got to think

915
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: about this. If you have twenty six free agents, that

916
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: means twenty six guys are coming off the books. So yeah,

917
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: that's a lot of guys to sign, but that's a

918
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: lot of guys that are not getting paid anymore until

919
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: you have to, you know, pay them again, so they

920
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: have money. Robert Quinn is a rare situation of a

921
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl caliber starter who probably wouldn't just absolutely blow

922
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: the bank on the open market because of his age,

923
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: because of you know, you know, downward trend. You're paying

924
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: for what you're getting, not for what's already happened, all

925
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: that stuff. So I think you could get him for

926
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: a modest fee by free agency standards, and that's what

927
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: makes it appealing because then you think about what you're

928
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: losing in the secondary, I mean, and you can't replace

929
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: it all in the draft. And so that's a guy

930
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: if you could get him back here for two or

931
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: three years at a expensive but modest price, Hell yeah, Amber,

932
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: I think out of that group, I would try definitely

933
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: to keep Robert Quinn. I think there are other guys

934
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: the tackle position too that can be changed and maybe upgraded,

935
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: and hopefully with the new coaching staff they can improve

936
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: because obviously there was lack of productivity last year without

937
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: I mean, when you look at all these guys, they're talented,

938
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: and you were expecting the defensive line to be very

939
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 1: productive this year and it just wasn't happening for whatever reason.

940
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: Especially and you know, we've talked about DeMarcus Lawrence and

941
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: the big money contract that he got and although he

942
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: was he didn't play bad, but it wasn't what you

943
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 1: were expecting. So I would hope that they make smarter

944
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: decisions this year and that hopefully the coaches can bring

945
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: in and change what was happening there and figure out

946
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: what the problem was last year and make it better

947
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: that way. But I would try to keep Quinn. You know,

948
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: one wildcard to all this is what kind of scheme

949
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: that they're playing. I mean, I think that they're gonna

950
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: still play a four to three, but Jim Mike Nolan

951
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: has had a lot of success with three four. I

952
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: don't know if they'll make that switch. But remember about

953
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: Robert Quinny went to the Dolphins in the three four scheme.

954
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't didn't really work out. They got rid of them.

955
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: They're ready to trade him for what sixth round pick

956
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: because he wasn't a good fit there. I think that

957
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: a four three scheme is where he needs to be.

958
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: So they need to figure that part out too, because

959
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: that'll affect his decision on where he goes. Right, all right,

960
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: let's let's move on. Let's talk about Believe Collins. Same

961
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: thing about the scheme. I mean, you know, let's assume

962
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: three until until total otherwise, man, Yeah, that's where the

963
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: issue is for me, it's the defensive tackle spot. I

964
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,959
Speaker 1: think they need to change their priorities there, make sure

965
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: and really upgrade that. Don't try to find you know,

966
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: because you found Antoine Woods. That's fine, you tried to

967
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: find Nick Hayden. I mean trying to find these guys.

968
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: Get give me the guy that's picked. I know they

969
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: picked in Tristan Hill, but do it again, do it again? Yeah.

970
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: But but the words always been, and you guys can

971
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: can correct me if I'm wrong, but the words always

972
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: been that that Marinelli didn't necessarily always agree with some

973
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: of the guys that they would have maybe considered drafting

974
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: who would have been really great or at least were

975
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: high profile. Um, you know ti talent type guys on

976
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: that defensive line. Now that he's gone, presumably is this

977
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: a situation? I get it, But do you do you

978
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: do you presume at this point that maybe that opens

979
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: the door for them to at least have a different

980
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: perspective because the guy that's in the room saying, hey,

981
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: I don't think we need that guy is no longer here. Yes,

982
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: and it's one of the going back to AG's point,

983
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: is like that, like I'm excited about so much stuff

984
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: because it's different. Like you know, last year and every

985
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: year for the last seven years, you're like, well, they

986
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: don't like safety and they don't like spending big resources

987
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: on defensive tackles. Don't know that that's true anymore. It

988
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: theoretically could be, but we don't know that. And we

989
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: know Will and his staff take heavy amounts of input

990
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: from the coaching staff. We know every year around April

991
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: the narrative starts to change when the coaches really start

992
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: to dive into the tape. And it'll be fascinating to

993
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: see what Jim tom Sula and some of these other

994
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: guys think, because I think it's gonna be different. Yeah,

995
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if that means they're going to draft

996
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: the safety or a defensive tackle at seventeen. But again,

997
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: it's it's fresh and it's new, and you can't sit

998
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: here and say, well, we hate safeties because these guys

999
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: might not. The other guys did, but they're gone. Ally Collins,

1000
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: for some reason, I feel like his time here is

1001
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: just he did what he needed to do for you,

1002
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: gave you what he needed to give you, and that's it.

1003
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: I see. The cow was kind of moving on from him.

1004
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: And trying to upgrade the position. Now that he was

1005
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: a bad he was a pretty good player and he

1006
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: lasted a good while. But I think it's time to

1007
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: transition from him. I don't think that they'll be able

1008
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: to compete with the money. I think that some team.

1009
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: You think he's gonna get it like a big off, Yeah,

1010
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: I do. I think so somebody will will figure out

1011
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: what he does and go, you know, this is exactly

1012
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: the type of guy that we need. I think they'll

1013
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: they'll let him test free agency, they'll want to come,

1014
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: they'll say all the things that they want him to

1015
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: come back, and before you know it, on day two

1016
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: a free agency, he's going to have some seventy million

1017
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: dollar deal with Jacksonville or something like that. It wouldn't

1018
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: surprise me. I don't know. I don't know about not

1019
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: that high, and I don't know about the number. But

1020
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: I think I think he'll get a contract that'll surprise people. Yeah.

1021
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: I mean he plays three technique, he's capable of getting

1022
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: six sacks. Yeah, he's got a lot of pressure for

1023
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: that position. So it's should the Cowboys be really considering

1024
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: bringing him back with a different guy in his ear?

1025
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: They might they might though that That's what we talked

1026
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: about last you know, the last time we saw this

1027
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: with Parcels. He had a different vision of Flozell Adams

1028
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: than the Cowboys had before. Maybe he comes in and says,

1029
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: we are signing Malik. You kidding me? I signed Malik

1030
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: before I signed a Mark. I mean, I'm not saying

1031
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: he says that, but he could. I mean, just based

1032
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: off of what Tom Sula and him what really won

1033
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: on their defense. These conversations are a bummer because it

1034
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: makes me you know, I don't mean to sound like

1035
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a good player, but that to

1036
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: me is rather than try to get into a bidding war,

1037
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: you draft well and replace that. He was pick sixty seven,

1038
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: third round pick, Like you should be able to find

1039
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 1: that production again without spending crazy resources on it. Should.

1040
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: I mean, that's and that's the pressure that's on the

1041
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: front office is finding those also. Sorry to keep going

1042
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: with this, but there's factors on everything. If I know

1043
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: that Tyrone Crawford's coming back, and hey, I think you

1044
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: can get him at at a cheaper price, maybe I

1045
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: think I think he is. I think he's going to

1046
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: be back, and I think he will will be an

1047
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: understricted free agent until twenty one, but they may be

1048
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: able to do some think they can work on his

1049
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: deal a little bit. I think he comes back. I

1050
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: think they missed him a lot last year, so you know,

1051
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: would make him a tackle. Yeah, well the other and

1052
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna get to him if we don't

1053
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: run out of time. But I'd be a lot more

1054
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: willing to resign Malie Collins if I know I don't

1055
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: have a shot at Byron Jones. But if i'd have

1056
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: a shot at Byron Jones, I'd rather use that money there,

1057
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: and it all ties together. We will probably not get

1058
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: there to Byron Jones today. I got a few more

1059
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: defensive a linement we gotta get to. But we will

1060
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: get to that. If not today, then again next week.

1061
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: Let's talk about a couple of guys that I think

1062
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 1: are kind of in a similar boat, Christian Covington carry Hyder.

1063
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: What do you guys think from a standpoint of those

1064
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: guys coming back again? These were hired guns that you

1065
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: kind of brought in this free agency. I hope they

1066
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: could give you something at times. Made a couple of

1067
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: plays here and ne'er turn some heads every once in

1068
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: a while. But what do you think about them going forward?

1069
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: I wouldn't you know they're gonna sleep well if they

1070
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: don't come back. I mean if if they sign with

1071
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: someone else, I think they'll be fine. But I do

1072
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: think Hyder might be a guy that if it works out,

1073
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: he can come back. I mean, you do need some

1074
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: depth on the defensive. Defensive, I mean they don't. They

1075
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 1: don't have Taco obviously, and I mean these are guys

1076
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: that they were trying to get on this team for

1077
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: the last few years. I don't think Dorn's Armstrong has

1078
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: turned the corner to the point where you're like, oh,

1079
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: you know he's the savior. I mean, you don't have

1080
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: any answers there. And if Quinn and Bennett leave, then

1081
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: I mean you gotta do something. They need the bodies.

1082
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: You need the bodies, and I think I think Hyder

1083
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: is pretty good. But again, if somebody pays it more,

1084
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: I think he's gone. It's a cop out too. It

1085
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: goes back to the point is like I don't I

1086
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 1: don't know what these guys value yet, Like it's a

1087
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: good guess. You know, they bring in Kerry Hyder. These

1088
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: are guys that Rod looked at and was like, oh, yeah,

1089
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: he can do what I want them to do. This

1090
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: staff might have a completely different idea, or to Nick's point,

1091
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: they could be like, oh, hell yeah, this guy's perfect

1092
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: for what we want to do. And if that's the case,

1093
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: bring them both back. I thought they're both they were

1094
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: both solid, they're both good locker room dudes. That's fine

1095
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: with me. But it doesn't make or break anything. I

1096
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: think it's just going to depend on what they value.

1097
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: Covington was a little disappointing in the sense that he

1098
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: just didn't make that much of an impact. And I

1099
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: know that that position is not going to but there

1100
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: were chances to do that. I mean, they had to

1101
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: go out and get Michael Bennett because you know, Tristan

1102
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: Hill wasn't doing what they wanted him to do, and

1103
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: there was opportunities for Covington to kind of to make

1104
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: a splash. Every down again. He would, but it just

1105
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: it wasn't to the point where I thought he might

1106
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: be a little bit better than that. Yeah, honestly, that's

1107
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I expected from him, was that,

1108
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: especially at that position. There would be a handful of

1109
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: times this year where you would notice him and be like, wow,

1110
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: that was was pretty good. Now, the fact that they

1111
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 1: had some games where they just couldn't stop the run.

1112
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: That's why I wonder a little bit about a lot

1113
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: of these defensive linemen. Was that a matter of scheme?

1114
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: Was that a matter of them just not doing their jobs? Well,

1115
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: that's where I think the question really for me comes

1116
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 1: with a lot of these guys that are free agents

1117
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: on the defensive line. He's a neutral guy. He's one

1118
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: of those that's not really going to push the pocket

1119
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: either way. He's not gonna get blown off the ball

1120
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: back into the you know, the safety, and he's not

1121
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: always gonna which is a horrible thing one time that

1122
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: you just kind of hold your ground a little bit.

1123
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: So that's there's something to be said for that. But

1124
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean depends on how much you're paying a guy

1125
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: to do, how I see it. For those two guys,

1126
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: it depends what I do with these other starters. Are

1127
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: you keeping them? If so, then I would try to

1128
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: upgrade from those backups positions in the rotation and all that.

1129
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: Or if you are making a change in those starters,

1130
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: then I would maybe consider keeping those just to keep.

1131
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: Like not that you need a familiar face, but somebody

1132
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: that you know what has done here and knows, although

1133
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: they're not gonna know because you got to hold your

1134
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: coaching staff. But I don't know. I like one of

1135
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: the two to be a constant. You know, I wouldn't

1136
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 1: necessarily prefer to replace both. I would just replace one.

1137
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: Let's not forget too about defensive tackle Antoine Woods. It's

1138
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: probably going to be a suspension. You're gonna have a

1139
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: suspension for the first four games of the season. I

1140
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: mean he was arrested. I mean that there's something to

1141
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: be said for that. I mean you also have a

1142
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: restrictive free agent and Daniel Ross who missed the last

1143
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: part of the season as well an injury. But both

1144
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: those guys have been arrested, right, so both those guys

1145
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: are probably going to be facing some kind of yeah

1146
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: something from the league. You can't imagine Ross being a

1147
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: part of this anymore because they almost he was out

1148
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: the door and then he got hurt, and then he's here.

1149
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be here. I'm surprised he's

1150
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: still around, honestly, because when he got arrested, I thought

1151
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: maybe they would, you know, get something there. That's a

1152
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: which I totally understand your point about Antoine, but we

1153
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: waited all year to hear something about Tyrone Crawford too

1154
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: and never did. That's true. It's hard trying to predict

1155
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: league disciplinary stuff. You might go into next season for

1156
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: the first four games and have have multiple guys that

1157
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: could be facing Oh well, no, I mean, if nothing

1158
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: happened to Tyrone before, I assume it's not going to happen. Now.

1159
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, well, you know what, great point. You

1160
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: have no fun trying to predict what the league does

1161
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: with any of that stuff. I can tell you it'll

1162
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: happen on a day when we're not in the office

1163
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: because it'll all come always happened like that. Yeah, all right,

1164
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: UM tell you what. Let's get to to Sean Lee

1165
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: at linebacker unrestricted free agent. Why are you laughing? Just wait?

1166
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: You said it like I was like, who's to Shawn Lee? Like,

1167
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's what That's how I heard it

1168
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: was Sean Lee. I was laughing because like two years ago,

1169
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: he's not a Shawn either. That's why I was laughing.

1170
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: The dominant storyline was that like the team just fell

1171
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: apart when he couldn't there, and now it's sort of like, oh, yeah,

1172
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: let's let's get to Shaun Lee got about him to Sea. Yeah,

1173
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: you really needed him when Layton went out. He helped

1174
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: ye out last year. He was one of your better

1175
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: defensive players. Yeah, if he wants to keep playing football,

1176
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: come on back as and assuming he's comfortable with the

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00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: same role, because I mean, Layton and Jalen are are

1178
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: in place to be your starters. Just know, Layton did

1179
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: have successful next surgery earlier. This week's supposedly successful next surgery. Again,

1180
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: we don't know for sure. That's just the reports that

1181
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: it was a successful neck surgery he had. He's expected

1182
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: to be fine for the offseason program. So again, I mean,

1183
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 1: Sean's probably not going to be a Day one starter here.

1184
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: And if he's okay with that, he proved his value

1185
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: in spades this year. I'd love to have him back.

1186
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: If he wants to keep playing football. I think it's

1187
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: like he was okay last year with it. Yeah, nothing

1188
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: I've gotten. I have gotten no indication that he's like

1189
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: mad about being the third linebacker on this team. If

1190
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: he wants to, I mean I don't It's hard to

1191
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: imagine him not being involved in football. So if I

1192
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: had to guess, like by March, he's going to be

1193
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: so anty to be doing football stuff again, I would

1194
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: guess he tries to play another year. But we'll see.

1195
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: Money will not be an issue. He would be happy

1196
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: to just sign whatever. So is his wife happy for

1197
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: him to sign whatever? I'm sure she enjoys. The funny

1198
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: thing I thought yesterday, Luke Keikley retired yesterday. He's like

1199
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: significantly younger than Lee, and I know he had concussion issues,

1200
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: but like had significantly healthier career, Like I would have

1201
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: never guessed Luke Keikley would retire before Sean Lee. Oh,

1202
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: Luke did have his injury issues. He had. You know,

1203
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: he had concussion problems for sure, But I mean Sean

1204
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: has missed thirty five percent of the possible games he

1205
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: could have played in or something like that. I always

1206
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: thought of always thought of Luke Keikley as what Sean

1207
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: Lee could have been without. He was that good. I

1208
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: love Sean Lee like I think it's great. But you

1209
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: have to look at both sides of this, and war

1210
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: was the one problem that was the biggest glaring issue

1211
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys last year. Where did they just consistently

1212
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: struggle in specifically special team. Oh oh yeah, okay, special team.

1213
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: Oh that thing does trickle down. If you have a

1214
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: guy that you're's your third linebacker, but he's not playing

1215
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: special teams, then that means these other guys have to

1216
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: be on the roster to play special teams, and then

1217
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: that that just kind of sects your whole roster a

1218
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: little bit. It's like having that older receiver that doesn't

1219
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: play special teams, but he's your fourth guy, you know,

1220
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: it's like that he doesn't help. I get that. But

1221
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: with a position like linebacker, where you have two guys

1222
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: that honestly I don't know if I trust their health

1223
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: and they're three guys. Now, yeah, but yeah, I'm saying,

1224
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: you got a guy's got a remake leg after having

1225
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: more rific injury. Okay, clear view, um. But but the

1226
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: point of the matter is you got him, and then

1227
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: you got a guy that just had neck surgery. And

1228
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: my thing is, like two guys like that, I think

1229
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: I gotta have My third linebacker has to be somebody

1230
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: that I can plug and play because I know that

1231
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,919
Speaker 1: those two I just don't completely trust that they're gonna

1232
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: be there. I think he is funny. He's well worth

1233
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: what you lose on the on the roster for the

1234
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: insurance policy. And I think he proved that. I just

1235
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: think that's something that they all have to kind of

1236
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: factor in because it's funny. How now, Sean Lee is

1237
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: the plug and play guy. You know, he's the one

1238
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: that you can rely on, right right, But but I'll

1239
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: say this, Giffer is still developing. True. Having him on

1240
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: the sideline, though, like having him on the settling is

1241
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: very valuable because he's a vocal guy. He can you know,

1242
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: it's like those basketball coaches that coach the floor and

1243
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: then there's something that coach the bench. Those guys are

1244
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: getting valuable instruction there, and I think Sean Lee does

1245
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: that bring Bring Yeah, Luke Gifford's coming back. And then

1246
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: let's spend a seventh round draft pick on some badass

1247
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: from a school I've never heard of who has nine

1248
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: thousand career tackles and be perfect and about forty ken dicussions.

1249
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: Sure come home, jeez, man, I'm just saying, you've been

1250
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: in a lot of car wrecks. If you're doing that,

1251
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you're playing at Chadron State or Ohio state,

1252
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: they'll use your shoulder. Oh, got your head right? All right.

1253
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: We appreciate you guys join us. We'll be back on

1254
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: next Wednesday. When we come back next Wedesday, we all

1255
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: gonna talk about we're gonna fish up this list. There

1256
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: are quite a few more defensive guys that will be

1257
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: unrestricted free agents, and we'll talk about all those guys

1258
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: still then for Nick Eton, Dave helm At, Amber Garcia,

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01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm Derek Eagletson. This has been The Break live on

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01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:59,040
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