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Daddy goes out of town 10 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: to work and then gets the distressing news his son 11 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: is missing. Driving straight home through the night. Overnight, he 12 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: arrives to find more questions than answers. In the last hours, 13 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: we learned the autopsy result of that little boy, five 14 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: year old Lucas Hernandez. His little body found under a 15 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: bridge and an obscure rural area. And who but his 16 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: old stepmother led a private investigator to that obscure spot, 17 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: Emily Glass. I mean, see, Grace, this is Crime Stories. 18 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. In addition to obtaining 19 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,639 Speaker 1: the autopsy report on little Lucas, we have also learned 20 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: the cause of death on the stepmother Emily Glass. Joining 21 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: me right now were now medical examiner Dr William Moroney. 22 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: Let's first start with little Lucas, five year old Lucas 23 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: he goes missing in the care of his so called stepmother, 24 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: Dr Maroney, what do you make of it? The autopsy 25 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: is an autopsy of the body of a child in 26 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: advanced state of decomposition, so there's not a lot of 27 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: traditional landmarks. There's the skeletal remains, and there's a sample 28 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: from the liver and the body or of the remains 29 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: were tested for drugs. The most important thing is the 30 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: liver and the kidneys were tested because in the case 31 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: of drugs, drugs are metabolized and they're metabolized through the 32 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: liver and through the kidneys. There does not appear to 33 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: be skeletal trauma or damage, but the cause of death 34 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: and the manner of death is officially listed as undetermined. 35 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: But when you go to the evidence the liver and 36 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: the kidney, there is a positive drug result for something 37 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: called beta a al ethylamine and fennel ethyla means are stimulants, 38 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: so we do know there is a stimulant. A central 39 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: nervous system stimulant in the remains of this five year 40 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: old child. Well, that's something I don't really understand. Dr 41 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: William Roney. Of course I know what a stimulant is, 42 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: like meth amphetamine. If this little boy was given methamine, 43 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: could it have killed him if it was an unregulated 44 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: dose and it was an unofficial drug. The answer is yes. Now, 45 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: methyn fhetamine would have come back from the laboratory toxicology 46 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: as methyan fhetamine, but fenel ethylamine being in the same 47 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: family also being a stimulant, is currently sold in gas stations, 48 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: drug emporiums, and marijuana dispensaries as and you can buy 49 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: it on the internet as something they call bath salts, 50 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: and it has nothing to do with taking a bath. 51 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: It is a pseudo name. It's a fake name for 52 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: under the counter stimulants that are unregulated. That seems very 53 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: suspicious to me because bath salts can cause seizures, heart attacks, 54 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: and we don't put unregulated stimulants of unknown potency into 55 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: five year old children. Very suspicious. I hear what you're saying. 56 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: It's not making sense to me as it relates to 57 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: the discovery of a body joining me right now, Ashley Willcott, 58 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 1: founder of child crime watch dot com juven I'll judge 59 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: and lawyer Karen start very now new York psychologist forensics 60 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics at Jacksona State University 61 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: and in newcomer joining us today a veteran felony prosecutor 62 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Kenya Johnson. Ashley Wilcott, I 63 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: hear Dr Maroney. I know Dr Maroney is correct, but 64 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: it's not adding up to me because the way he 65 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: says it, um, it's not so bad. But a child 66 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: should not have anything like that in their system. On 67 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: top of being found dead under a bridge that that's 68 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: they've got to be connected in some way and not 69 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: in a good way. Absolutely, So that's the first thing 70 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: abuse to neglect. No child should have a drug like 71 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: that in their system and their liver. Second, Basalt is 72 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: especially disturbing to me because you hear, and I'm not 73 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: a doctor, but I certainly here in cases before me 74 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: as a judge, that they cause psycho this all of 75 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: the side effects heart attacks that were just described by 76 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: the doctor that are that are horrific in and of themselves, 77 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: but much less than a child. To me, it's very 78 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: very clear that this child was abused prior to being murdered, 79 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: and that that abuse involved illegal drug use such as basalt. 80 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: It should never happen. I want you to take a 81 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: listen to what Emily Glass says. This is when the 82 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: private investigator, David Marshburn has somehow convinced the stepmother to 83 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: get into a vehicle with him and drive around. They 84 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: drive around for hours and hours and somehow miraculously out 85 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: of the entire state and surrounding states. She leads him 86 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: to the baby's body. To Emily Glass, she is going 87 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: to possibly lead us to Lucas Fernandez has remained h 88 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: h h m h huh uh nothing, h huh okay, 89 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't let uh. You're definitely coming uh coming back, 90 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: uh because I told you I was gonna help you. 91 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: Come on running there, get your bandies. It ain't gonna 92 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: be half as bad as what you're thinking some of 93 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: piece doing him. Why do you say that you know 94 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: that's gonna pieces? H Hey, no, no, no, no, Look 95 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: we're right here, girl. We ain't going nowhere. Everything is okay, 96 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: And what ain't okay with if it's the make. Okay, 97 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: we'll be like that. It's gonna be so hard on yourself. 98 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: I can't do jail. I kid, you ain't gonna do jail. 99 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: But little preach all services is nothing to look me out. 100 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: Child Services has nothing preachild with jil bond pre trial 101 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: pre trial services. You can choose to the name me. Okay, 102 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: so they if they do, we post a bond regardless, 103 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: you're still coming out. If they don't agree to pre trial, 104 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: we'll post the bottom better just be then you'll have 105 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: to contact David. You know, however he says you have 106 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: to contact him. Don't be like that. Don't be so 107 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: hard on yourself. I know you're scared to death, and 108 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna be right here. We're gonna get 109 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: you through this whole thing and take you right back 110 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: to where we got you from. We're gonna be with 111 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: you every step of the way. Why, like, I don't understand, 112 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: and you is what now? I don't understand? Why what 113 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: do you mean? Why? What? Where would you be? Because 114 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: that's what we do. It's our job. Just sorry, so 115 00:09:54,800 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: sorry for I now, it's okay. The only thing you 116 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: can do if her hair is moving forward and where's them? 117 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: I did a little get so wrong. I didn't wrong, 118 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: got honest. Back to Dr William Maroney, UM medical examiner, speaker, 119 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: author of a brand new book on Amazon American Narcan. 120 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: Dr Maroney, you hear her, hear the dogs barking in 121 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: the background. Marsh Burn is driving his truck around in these, 122 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: you know, extremely rural areas, and they're sitting there in 123 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: his suv right at the site where baby Lucas is 124 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: found what's left of him anyway, and she's crying, crying 125 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: for herself. She keeps talking about what's going to happen 126 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: to me, and she tells Marshburn, I did Luca is 127 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: so wrong? I did him so wrong now, and you're 128 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: telling me this is just something in a system. You 129 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: get it at seven eleven. Why should a kid have 130 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: any type of stimulant in his body? And how could 131 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: that have had anything to do with his death? Doctor 132 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: William Money. I don't mean to sound harsh, but I 133 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: guess I'm looking for answers, and I thought I would 134 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: get answers from me. It's autopsy reports, and they don't 135 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: really seem to be helping me. Part of the reason 136 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: why an autopsy that shows up with bath salts. That 137 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: is not helpful is the name baths Salts makes it 138 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: sounds very soft and innocuous, And that's the fake cover, 139 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: that's the false narrative they used to sell it. But 140 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: these fetal ethla means are just as bad as metaphetamine, 141 00:11:54,760 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: and they're sold in rural areas, oftentimes competing uh with methymphetamine, 142 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: just like cocaine would be used in an urban center. 143 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: So think of it as a level of stimulants that 144 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: you would find buying meth from a drug dealer, of 145 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: buying cocaine from a drug dealer. And forget the idea 146 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: that they call it back saults. It's a It's a 147 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: terribly unregulated stimulant that could have profound toxic complications in 148 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: a full adult, and it's in the body of a 149 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: five year old. What do you mean by profound toxic implications? 150 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: Can you plays? Dr Maroney? Listen, you got a dummy 151 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: down for me. You're the You're the m D. I'm 152 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: just a j D. And yes I've got Joe Scott 153 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: Morgan on here, but the rest of us are just 154 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: mere mortals. First of all, I don't even know what 155 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: you're saying I know what meth amphetamine is, but I 156 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: don't know when you sling out the name of this drug, 157 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: what is said again? Can you slow it down? Speak 158 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: in speak in long syllables for me. If you look 159 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: at the chemical, it's a very tiny little molecule called me. 160 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: But it's profound because al ethylamine. Did you get that, Jackie. 161 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna write it out and syllables and phonics, okay, 162 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: like we had to do in the first grade. Phenyl ethylamine. Okay, 163 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: go ahead. It causes like coosis, delusions and almost like 164 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: acid tripping because of the tremendous activity inside the brain. 165 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: It works as a secondary drug and neurotransmitter many like amphetamine. 166 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: Adderall is used, but it's regulated. And you know how 167 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: many milligrams of adderall you get? You get ten, you 168 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: get fifteen, you get thirty. It's f D approved. Okay. 169 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: You know what, let me break it down. Fennel ethel 170 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: la maine. Can it cause death? Absolutely? And a child 171 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: that's five years old about forty pounds, there's absolutely no 172 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: reason to have final ethlan o none, okay. And trying 173 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: to piece together what we know about the death of 174 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: little Lucas five year old Lucas Uh. The mystery deepens 175 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: to Kenya Johnson, felony prosecutor out of Inner City, Atlanta, Kenya. 176 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: What do you make of this scenario. I'm trying to 177 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: cobble together what really happened to little Lucas. You know, 178 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: I've seen this situation before where sometimes a child could 179 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: accidentally ingest something that was a substance purchased for their parents. 180 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: So mom likes to smoke marijuana, and the substance can 181 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: be found in dispensaries. Maybe it was in a form 182 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: that looked like candy and Lucas accidentally ingested it. There's 183 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of different scenarios, criminal and non criminal, that 184 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: this substance could have gotten into his body. And this 185 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: is just the tip of the iceberg when we're talking 186 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: about the autopsy. Now we know what the issue is. 187 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: Now we need to comb through all the specific circumstances. 188 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: Why would she fall asleep with the five year old 189 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: just running around the house. I have children, I put 190 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: them in a room, I set them up. I just 191 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: don't go to sleep when they could endanger themselves. Guys, 192 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: in the last hours we have obtained the autopsy reports 193 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: are not only five year old Lucas, but Emily Glass 194 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: as well to Dr William Moroney joining us and Joe 195 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, professor of forensics at Jacksona State University. Joseph 196 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. Okay, Now Moroney has explained to me what 197 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: is in his system, but the surrounding circumstances. That's when 198 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: a death investigator comes in. His body is thrown over 199 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: a bridge and washes down to one of those It's 200 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: kind of like an erosion pan and and that's where 201 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: it stops. And if it hadn't been for that pen, 202 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: he probably would never have been found. He had been 203 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: out in the element so long. His hair was bleached white. 204 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: His normally dark brown hair was now white. And there's 205 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: hardly any body tissue left on him, but there was enough. 206 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: I can't ignore those circumstances, Joseph Scott Morgan, plus what 207 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: we're finding in his system. You've studied this. What is 208 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: your best put together scenario as to what happened to Lucas. 209 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: I was considering this for a moment and uh, and 210 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking, you know, had someone exposed him passively, 211 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: uh to this drug. The problem with that is that 212 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: in order to have been passively exposed. And what I 213 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: mean by that if she is using some kind of 214 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: synthetic marijuana, UM, it would have to be in tremendous 215 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: concentrate shan where he would constantly be exposed to it, 216 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: where it's building up in its liver and it's holding on. Remember, 217 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: the soft tissue is completely gone. That's evidenced in the 218 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: in the in the autopsy report, except for this large 219 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: organ body uh, in the liver, and that section was 220 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: taken spun down and this is what they extracted. We've 221 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: got all these other drug groups that were scanned for 222 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: and the only thing that was found was this one drug. Uh. 223 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,479 Speaker 1: The other part of this is that this drug can 224 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,479 Speaker 1: be used also in context of what's referred to as 225 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: a backbone drug, and that means our component to a 226 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: bigger molecule. Let me break that down for you. So 227 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: you've got this this other element that's found in his 228 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: system that's used many times as a binder for other 229 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: complex molecules. I don't know what else this kid had 230 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: on board, but as dr more only so put the 231 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: absence of methamphetamine, it would have also been captured in 232 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: the liver um. You know, I'm I'm at a loss 233 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: at this point, Tom that are you trying to tell 234 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: me you can't piece together anything? Uh? I mean, just 235 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: be honest, I don't mind, Just tell me. Okay, I'm 236 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: gonna take that silence as a no. No. What I 237 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: was gonna say is that I think that this child 238 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: potentially died accidentally. She didn't know what to do with 239 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: the child. She drove to this location and potentially discarded 240 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: the child over the side of the bridge. Okay, let 241 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: me let me just pick that apart for one moment. 242 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: Accidentally died. So you're telling me that's like a drunk 243 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: driver crashing and killing a couple of people, going it 244 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: was an accident. No, it's not. So they home by accident, 245 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: nobody paid them, paid for them, and brought them in 246 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: the home knowing there were several children in the home. 247 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: Then that adult, because kid can't go in and buy drugs. 248 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: Then the adult lead at best, leaves the drugs unattended 249 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: at a level and a location where a child can 250 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: get it. Then is not supervising the child, which is 251 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: a conscious decision, and the child gets into the drugs. 252 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: Then the child ingests the drugs, Then the child dies. 253 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: Without being taken to the hospital because that adult either 254 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: is negligent or doesn't want to get in trouble by 255 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: taking the child to the hospital. And then that adult 256 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: throws the child off a bridge into a culvert and 257 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: lies about it for months while we're racking our brains. 258 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: People are out searching, and the father, the bio dad, 259 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: is left twisting in the wind, wondering if the child 260 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: is alive somewhere calling out for daddy. I Nancy. Just 261 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: in the late hours last night, Whichita Police released the 262 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: recording of the nine one one call Emily Glassmaid back 263 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: in February to report that Lucas Fernandez was missing. Listen 264 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: to this acting job. What's the location of an emergency? 265 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:37,239 Speaker 1: My son? Where's your son around? He's gone? When did 266 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: he do so? Are you not going to It wasn't long, 267 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: so it wasn't line following. Fine, ma'am, ma'am. How old 268 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: is your son? He's fine? Years years old. Did he 269 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: walk off? No? I don't know. Oh yeah, what are 270 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: you at? I don't know what to do. Did you 271 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: know about a recent law that could leave your personal 272 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: data exposed online for anybody to find? If you've turned 273 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: on the news lately. You know the Internet has created 274 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: a dangerous new world. 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What 294 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: happened to Luca Hernandez some answers, some suggesting the little 295 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: boy died of a quote accidental use of drugs. That's 296 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: their words, not mine. Having illegal drugs laying around your home, 297 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: it's no accident. I'm not sure that was the cause 298 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: of death. But sadly, we will never know really what 299 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: happened to little Lucas. I mean, is that what I've 300 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: got to accept, Dr William Moroney, that I'll never know 301 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: what happened to him. You'll never know because there wasn't 302 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: enough body left in the remains to do more of 303 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: an investigation. You know that Lucas this liver contained a 304 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: drug chemical, a stimulant of possible hallucinogen that we don't 305 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: have in five year olds, but you won't actually know 306 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: what happened to the body. So because of the lack 307 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: of soft tissue, I will never know if Emily Glass 308 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: strangled him, hit him on the head, asphyxiated him, smothered 309 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: him with a pillow, if he was acting out after 310 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: his unintentional use of her drugs. WILL never know really 311 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: what happened to him. I guess she gets a gold 312 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: star for hiding the body so long. Determination of a 313 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: true cause of death is impossible, imman City. I disagree. 314 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: We're not going to know the cause of death. Somebody 315 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: knows what happened to this child. We know that there 316 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: may have been someone else present in court. I do 317 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: not see individuals come in that have done bass salts 318 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: by themselves with nobody else there. I believe someone else 319 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: does know what happened, and they need to come forward. 320 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: I just think of that little body lying out there 321 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: in the elements, day after day after day. Also, we 322 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: have obtained the autopsy report of Emily Glass. But listen 323 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: to what Lucas's father said that he is the one 324 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: that calls tell me exactly what happened. Oh, it's the 325 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: first time I've been home and like three weeks. Uh 326 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: my fiance who has been staying here m hm, and 327 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: I had nowhere else to go tonight, so I asked her, Hey, 328 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: are you awakes, et cetera, and she didn't answer. So 329 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: I came home and it's so bad. It's so bad. 330 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: I saw my rifle at her feet. Yes, I think so, 331 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: I think. So her brain is laying on the carpet 332 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: and her head is split wide open. Where is where's 333 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: the gun at now it's at her feet. Okay. And 334 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: you said it's a rifle, yes, ma'am. Okay, have you 335 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: seen any other weapons? No, man, I have a shotgun 336 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: in the closet. If it's still there, I haven't even checked. 337 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: But there was only my rifle that it looks like 338 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: she got out of the case. Okay. And is anyone 339 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: else injured? The you know of he is the one 340 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: that had been texting her and allowing her to live 341 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: in his home. He was not living there himself. He's 342 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: the one that calls nine one one. Take a listen 343 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: to what Lucas's dad tells us. The lights were on 344 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: and the TV was on, and it looked like, you know, 345 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: somebody was there. And I go to the bedroom and 346 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: she's not fair. So I go out to the garage 347 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: and check to see if a car was there. I 348 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: thought maybe she wasn't staying there, maybe had left for something. 349 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: And her car was there in the garage. So I 350 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: went back inside and did a more thorough room by 351 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,959 Speaker 1: room search, and when I found her in the backroom. 352 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: When you found her, was she dressed? Was she lying 353 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: in bed? What was the condition of her body? She 354 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: was dressed, it looked like she had Pajamason at first? 355 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: Did you believe she was just asleep? No? I did not. 356 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: I thought it was a dream. I wasn't sure what 357 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: was happening at first, joining me. Dr William Maroney, Medical 358 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: examiner Kenya Johnson, Joseph Scott, Morgan, Karen Stark, and Ashley Wilcott. 359 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: Dr Maroney, why are they so sure that this is 360 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: a suicide, Well, there's three reasons. Number one, became with 361 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: a suicide. Note number two, she was probably extremely distressed 362 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: with whatever was going on. That's more of a psychosocial 363 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: intervention category thing. It's not uh scientific to the forensics, 364 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: but it's very clear that this is a gun shot 365 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: more to the center of the forehead, and the a 366 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: R fifteen hunting rifle is found between the legs. It 367 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: is a contact wound. A contact wound means the tip 368 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: of the barrel is right on the skull. It's right 369 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: on the skin, and we know that because of the 370 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: abrasions and the blood marks and the burns and the soot, 371 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: the gunpowder is in the skin. So it's very likely 372 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: that this was right there. And the other thing is 373 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: the tremendous amount of trauma. The bullet fired from an 374 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: A R fifteen releases a tremendous amount of energy, and 375 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: there's an entrance wound, but there's so much energy in 376 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: this the damage to the skull does not allow you 377 00:28:54,680 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: to reconstruct an exit wound. If you're really going to 378 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: shoot yourself, this will take you out. And if somebody 379 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: else is trying to shoot you, there would be defensive wounds, 380 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: and I don't see any kind of defensive wounds available. 381 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: The note, the psychosocial interventions around it, and the actual method. 382 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: The cause of death is gunshot wound to the head. 383 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: The manner of death is suicide. Without more physical evidence 384 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: and an investigation, I would have to go with the 385 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: preliminary report from the Regional Forensic Science Center. It sounds 386 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: very legitimate to Justice Scott Morgan. I hear Dr Maroney. 387 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: I agree with Dr Maroney, but I still, as you know, 388 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: like to test the evidence. Isn't it true that another 389 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: person could kill her with a contact wound and lay 390 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: the same burn or searing marks. It's it's true that 391 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: it could happen within the realm of possibility. Is it 392 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: like Lee? No, not in this particular case. Uh, it 393 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: would It would require it would require for her to 394 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: be so incapacitated. Uh. You know, as Dr Maroney pointed out, 395 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: this is a co yeah, potentially asleep. Uh. And again 396 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: we don't have enough information at this point in time 397 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: relative to the attitude of her body at the time 398 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: in which she was shot. What we do know is 399 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: that she was found with the weapon between her legs 400 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: on the floor. Uh. And Uh, the fact that it 401 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: is in fact a contact wound. Uh if she didn't 402 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: have an awareness, perhaps if she was subdued by drugs 403 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: in some way, Uh, maybe she wouldn't have had an awareness. 404 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: But the only drugs that she has on board that 405 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: we can tell so far ethanol and active component in marijuana, 406 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: which is THHC. So I don't know that that would 407 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: have incapacitated her to that point. Um. In in my estimation, 408 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: this sounds consistent with a suicide. Dr William Roney renowed 409 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: Medical Examiner. Since another person could have shot her and 410 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: left those burn marks surrounding the barrel mark on her skin. 411 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: What convinces you the most that this is in fact 412 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: a suicide that Emily Glass killed herself because her friends 413 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: have come on and absolutely denied she did. As a 414 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: matter of fact. Take a listen to her friends. They 415 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: insist she did not kill herself. Someone else did the deed. 416 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: Do you believe she shot herself? Oh, ma'am, I've got 417 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: and I showed the police. They took my phone to night. 418 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: Jonathan Hernandez actually said last Winster Thursday night, if he's 419 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: seen Emily. He didn't know that he could keep himself 420 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: from killing her because she asked, Jonathan, will you meet 421 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: up with me? No tape recorders, no cameras, no videos, 422 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: no nothing, no sound. I want to talk to you 423 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: about everything that happened at night. And Jonathan told do 424 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: a friend. I can't made up with her because if 425 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: I do, I'm not sure I won't kill her. Are 426 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,719 Speaker 1: you suggesting that the father of Lucas Hernandez shot Emily 427 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: Glass the stepmother. Yes, I am so. Dr William Moroney, 428 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: Let's deal with it here and now the present world. 429 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: Could this have taken place at the hand of another, Well, yes, 430 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: but it's a probability high and I say no. And 431 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: the reason why I say no, I leaned towards suicide. 432 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: I've been to you know, a decade of these kinds 433 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: of suicide scenarios. There's a note and there's no investigation 434 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: and challenge of the suicide note. Now, what percentage of 435 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: suicides actually take time to do a note? Well, it's 436 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: always like right around fifty or sixty percent, not out 437 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: a hundred percent of suicide notes. But if people take 438 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: time to write notes, um, they're usually investigated that that 439 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: is that person's handwriting, and there's no challenge or question 440 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: in the pathological diagnosis. The evidence president with a suicide 441 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: note is clearly one of the contributing factors that we 442 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: used to say this is a suicide. The note is appropriate. 443 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: There are actually three suicide nedes. Listen to what Lucas's 444 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: dad Jonathan tells us about the discovery of those suicide notes. 445 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: Where were they? I honestly don't know. They didn't They 446 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: didn't tell me where they were, and as far as 447 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: two of them, they haven't told me what's in them. 448 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: Except for the third one they did tell me was 449 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: rolled up and stuck inside of her engagement ring and 450 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: it said, Tom, give our daughter the ring when she 451 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: gets older. Dr William Moroney. So you're observation regarding the 452 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: suicide notes is correct. I don't think anybody's stage that 453 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: is specifically the one rolled up and stuck in the 454 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: engagement ring, and the fact that there's more than one 455 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: suicide note means there was great deliberation. She may have 456 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: not gotten it right in one note, so she wanted 457 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: to start over and do another note. So this whole 458 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: thing is predicated on somebody plans and stages suicide. You 459 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: take the time to write all those notes. You take 460 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: the time to prepare a rifle if it's the only 461 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: thing available, and other guns removed from the house, the 462 00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: opportunity to say, the forensic evidence, the note, the psychosocial 463 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: interventions being negative. All those things contribute to me continuing 464 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 1: to support suicide, especially because there's multiple versions. She took 465 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: the time to construct a pathway leading through suicide notes 466 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: to finally permitting suicide. To Karen Stark, New York Psychologists 467 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: joining us from Manhattan. Karen Stark, the suicide note one 468 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: of the three, the one rolled up and stuck in 469 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,439 Speaker 1: the engagement ring that Jonathan Hernandez had given her. Man 470 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: that was powerful to roll it up and put it 471 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: in the engagement ring. What's that about? Well, and that's 472 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: what makes it such a convincing fact here, Nancy, is 473 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: that it's very symbolic, you know, It's it's like her 474 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: own code saying you know this is this is directed 475 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 1: to you exclusively. And although it happens to be true 476 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,439 Speaker 1: that women often would not use such a violent means 477 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,919 Speaker 1: to kill themselves, in this case it is very much 478 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:22,720 Speaker 1: a sentimental, expressive way of communicating. She wanted someone, ostensibly 479 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: the person who gave you that ring, to know that 480 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: this is a message for them, and so it does 481 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: seem as though this is a suicide. I guess what's 482 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: hanging me up on this is the use of an 483 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: a R fifteen, a semi automatic long un Well, you 484 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: want to know. I think here, here's why that's not 485 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: a big deal. This is Kansas, Okay. An air fifteen 486 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:54,320 Speaker 1: in Boston is a foreign item. This is Kansas, Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa. 487 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: Girls learn how to shoot rifles, and a R fifteens 488 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: are found in the back of trucks. Girls go deer hunting. 489 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: That's not my problem. Dr William Moroney, And I don't 490 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: know of Kansas. You know, I'm not from Kansas. But 491 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if they would appreciate you singling them 492 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: out as being the source of girls love guns. But 493 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: you know a lot of women know how to shoot 494 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 1: a gun. What I'm saying is, I'm not stunned by 495 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: a woman shooting a gun. Hello, I'm stunned because using 496 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 1: a long gun to shoot yourself might be a little 497 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: bit more difficult than a handgun. I think, um, just 498 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 1: because of the rural factor and the high percent of 499 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: enterople that in the R fifteen is not a foreign 500 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: object in Kansas. I don't think. That's not even my point. 501 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: My point is not she's not familiar with a gun. 502 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: My point is the physicality of holding a rifle on 503 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: yourself and pulling the trigger. Nancy, I think it's just 504 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: that this is Ashley. Can I just add, I think 505 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 1: it's accessibility, right, Like, allegedly they've gotten all the guns 506 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: out of the house. Clearly they hadn't. So she decided 507 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: she really wanted to kill herself with a gun, and 508 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: this was the only gun she had access to. I 509 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: think she'd choose it. Okay. I think this is my 510 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: problem because I obviously I'm not making myself clear. This 511 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: is like me going, oh, I want to kill myself. 512 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 1: Let me go light the cannon in the garage and 513 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,399 Speaker 1: see if I can shoot myself in the head. It's 514 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: physically impossible. All okay. Now, John David my Son has 515 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: told me it doesn't help him understand any better if 516 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: I speak slowly or loudly, So let me stop that 517 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: right now, Dr Maroney. What I'm saying is, how do 518 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: you hold arrival on yourself and shoot yourself dead in 519 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: the middle of the head. How does that happen? You? 520 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: You reverse how you hold and you're not firing it 521 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: with your trigger finger, your index finger finger number two. 522 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 1: You're more than likely firing it with your thumb. And 523 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: you reverse how you pull it. You're not shooting it 524 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: like you shoot it any other way. And and one 525 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: of the reasons why you know, she's found on the 526 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,800 Speaker 1: floor and the rifles there. You secure the weapon on 527 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: the floor. Now, if we're talking about Phil Specter or 528 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: Hollywood or anything else, women and guns really don't mix 529 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: a lot. But in and oh are you back on 530 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: women and guns? And stop it with Kansas. Yeah, it's 531 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: not Kansas. Women all those Statistically it's low commit suicide 532 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,839 Speaker 1: with guns across the country, often not as much as men, 533 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: but they do it. And it's not just in Kansas. 534 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,320 Speaker 1: But you know what, go ahead, with your Kansas issue. 535 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: Dr Maroney, that's something for Karen Starker psychologists to deal with. Um. Okay, 536 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying is she secured it on 537 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: the floor and shot herself, and you think that's entirely possible. 538 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: Just got Morgan, what about an a R fifteen? Is 539 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,280 Speaker 1: there a collapsible barrel that could have made it shorter? 540 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,399 Speaker 1: Overall length of a R fifteen is only about thirty 541 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 1: nine inches, Nancy, it's not like we're talking. You know 542 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: about a Kentucky long rifle from the Revolutionary War, right, 543 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: that's over three feet thirty nine inches. Yeah, it's easily 544 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: It's easily accomplished when you think about the average length 545 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: of a person. Okay, you know what, am I the 546 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 1: only one not saying that that sees a problem with this? 547 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: Kenya Johnson? I mean, I guess you're gonna jump in 548 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,280 Speaker 1: with those two and say you don't see a problem. 549 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: But I'm not arguing that this is not a suicide. 550 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: I'm just saying I find it hard to understand the 551 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: physicality of her killing herself with a long gun. If 552 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,320 Speaker 1: you find a problem, then other people find a problem, 553 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,320 Speaker 1: and so we've got to comb through all the surrounding 554 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: salensic evidence to see if there's any indication that someone 555 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: else may have been involved. In the last hour's re 556 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: received the autopsy reports on not only five year old Lucas, 557 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: but his so called step mother, Emily Glass as well. 558 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: According to the reports, little Lucas's body was full of 559 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 1: a drug called finnel ethel amine UH stimulant that can 560 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: be purchased and in such an amount. I cannot discern 561 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,280 Speaker 1: if that was the cause of death or not. Because 562 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: the body had lined in a washed out culvert for 563 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 1: so long, little soft tissue was left to determine if 564 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: he had been smothered, asphyxiated, shots stabbed, beaten. But I 565 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,319 Speaker 1: know this much. When you don't know a horse, look 566 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: at the track record. Ashley Wilcott, take a listen to 567 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,800 Speaker 1: what has been said regarding bruises all over this child's body. 568 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: You know, I feel helpless. She was sent photos of 569 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: Lucas last year and saw multiple bruises on his face 570 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,279 Speaker 1: and neck, so she says she called protective services. All 571 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: the stories I've been hearing from about him possibly being abused. 572 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 1: She only got more concerned after the father and son 573 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: came to New Mexico for work. She says she and 574 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: another relative saw more signs that the child was hurt, 575 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: and so another report was filed in that state. They 576 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: investigated and had a frantic interview and all that kind 577 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: of stuff and sent them. I guess the police didn't 578 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,359 Speaker 1: think they're gonna have evidence. When I first found out 579 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: he was missing, I um was suspicious and then worried. 580 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: Not only that. Listen to what Emily Glass herself tells 581 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: k w C H. Devon Fastbender why little Lucas has 582 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: always covered in bruises. There's obviously a lot of rumors 583 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: going on, a lot of things that people are saying 584 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 1: about your stepson Lucas. Just curious if there's anything that 585 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 1: you want to say about that situation. Yeah, Um, in 586 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: the past, you know, you know you a boy. Um, 587 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm playing with over brother day, good cousin, and he 588 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:11,720 Speaker 1: is prove it. He has had some alls, Um follows, 589 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 1: either cookie dinner or at the park. Um. I'm sorry, 590 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,399 Speaker 1: it's really hard on you. No, you're fine. Take your time. 591 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 1: You know. I may not have given birth to him, 592 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: but he might be before today. I take care of 593 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 1: him every day, So how can I believe anything she says. 594 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: Listen to what she tells Devin when asked if she 595 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: has any idea where Lucas may be. Do you have 596 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:58,320 Speaker 1: any idea where Lucas might be? At this point? Guys, 597 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: I went did h um? But if anyone does know, 598 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,240 Speaker 1: please say something, because me and dad are very sick, 599 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: you know what. I thank keep thinking what could have happened? 600 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:30,919 Speaker 1: You know? And and I keep thinking back to these 601 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: two people, um that we're outside of my house a 602 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: few days priors, um, the black man and white woman. 603 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:47,319 Speaker 1: Do you know them? No? They were standing out bite um, 604 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 1: talking fooks and stay are its actually pretty early morning? 605 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 1: So I went out there and be like, hey, everything, okay, 606 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: do you need to come inside? You know? Are you stranded? 607 00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 1: And they were just like no and look at me 608 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 1: like I offended him with company, um, and I so okay, 609 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,359 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I mean, let's called outside. So I didn't 610 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,239 Speaker 1: know if you you don't needed to come into, you know, 611 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 1: being nice um. And they took around for maybe ten 612 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 1: fifty more minutes. Actually they've got a picture, and I'm 613 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: walking away because I wanted to amenduted to their dad, 614 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,320 Speaker 1: who to be like, hey, you know what's going on? 615 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,360 Speaker 1: At home on Did you end up sending that picture 616 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:36,919 Speaker 1: to Jonathan? Yes, I did. I did he mean boys? Hey, 617 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 1: he certainly needed brother. He's so loose, so Ashley willcot. 618 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 1: The child has been beaten in the past, and now 619 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,799 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to accept that he all on his own, 620 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: oh date, on her drugs. I don't accept that, because 621 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,360 Speaker 1: that's the fact of the matter. This little boy, this 622 00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: innocent little boy, was a victim of abuse, physical abuse, 623 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,280 Speaker 1: drugs in his system, which had a minimum is neglect 624 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 1: because she didn't pay attention to what he was doing. 625 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: But I don't believe it was neglect. I believe that 626 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: this boy has been consistently abused by Emily Glass, and 627 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: that in and of itself as a crime. But then 628 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,839 Speaker 1: add to that the other things you've already diligently pointed out, 629 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 1: which is she knew where he was, she didn't tell anyone, 630 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 1: she lied about it. It is a whole host of 631 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,720 Speaker 1: issues that point to guilty. In my mind, we're talking 632 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,759 Speaker 1: about prior abuse on the little boy, five year old. 633 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: Lucas and Child Protective Services knew about it, the aunt 634 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 1: had told them about it. Nothing was done. The dad, 635 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,840 Speaker 1: Jonathan Hernandez apparently in love with Emily Glass, did not 636 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: register his child was covered in bruises, and also he 637 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: was away so much of the time working trying to 638 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: support the family us. I myself have never witnessed her 639 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:12,880 Speaker 1: abuse him, hit him, be ugly towards him. And it 640 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 1: kind of goes back to you know, you're trusting this 641 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,360 Speaker 1: other person to take care of your most prized possession, 642 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 1: and you're romantically involved with them, and you don't think 643 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,520 Speaker 1: that they would ever do that, especially if you've never 644 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 1: witnessed it. But in hindsight, I mean, I can see 645 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,799 Speaker 1: the bruises and stuff whenever I was not home, could 646 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 1: have been her abusing him. At the end of the day, 647 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: Dr William Moroney, there's evidence that this child has been mistreated, 648 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 1: not fed, beaten in the past. Then he ends up 649 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:06,600 Speaker 1: dead in a wash out, covered, his remains deteriorated significantly. 650 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,400 Speaker 1: Based on what I know, there's no doubt in my 651 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: mind there was foul play and that CPS knew about it. 652 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,160 Speaker 1: Dr Moroney, How often does this happen? It happens more 653 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:25,560 Speaker 1: than we'd like in America. The CPS case burden, it's tremendous. 654 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:33,239 Speaker 1: The parents, either individual or as uh, couplets are not 655 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: dealing with stress. They just don't make parents that can 656 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:44,080 Speaker 1: work with the troubles of raising a normal child. People 657 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 1: are using drugs, people are abusing kids, which you always 658 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,840 Speaker 1: have to remember. Here is this little boy did not 659 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:59,080 Speaker 1: wander away. He was drugged and the advanced decomposed body 660 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,840 Speaker 1: was found under a pile of debris. 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