1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff. You should know a production of My 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles w Choke Brian over there, 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: and there's Jerry over there. She s all dressed up 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: in a silver jump suit as usual, a jump suit. 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: I said, I pulled it out. Should we edit that 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: out and retake it? No? I think we should leave it? Uh, 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: Jerry behind the scenes stuff everyone. Jerry sometimes has to 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: get what's called room tone, which means she has to 10 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: roll tape digitally and we have to be completely silent 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: for a few moments. We get the tone of the 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: room for I don't know, purposes of magic. And every 13 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: time she's done that, we always have the urge to 14 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: giggle or fart or be six year old. So she 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: looks at us sternly the whole time during that five 16 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: or six seconds of room. Man, it's so funny. I 17 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: don't know what that instat does. And that's just like 18 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: we can't sit here for five seconds and not speak 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: without cracking a joke. We've got a bit of the 20 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: class clown in us, I think is what it is. 21 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: I sure did still do. Oh yeah, Were you a 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: class clown? Really? Yeah? But on the downland, Like I 23 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't fire out something for the whole class to hear 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: unless I knew it was like comedy gold. But I 25 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: would work my circle around me, you know. Yeah, you're 26 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: a regional act. I was fairly disruptive, okay, but it 27 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: was always fun. So teachers liked me. But they were 28 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: just like, just shut up though? Sometimes? Were your parents 29 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: were educators so you knew where the line was? Right? 30 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: Were you going over the line because you could get 31 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: away with it? No? I mean they weren't teachers. I 32 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: mean that's actually that's not true. My dad was the principle. 33 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,279 Speaker 1: But I didn't start real cutting up till high school. 34 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: I got you. Why are we talking about this? I 35 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: don't know. I'll tell you why, chuck, because it reminds 36 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: me of Henny Youngman. It just so happened to be 37 00:01:54,560 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: around the peak of his career on June four seven. 38 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: Did you fact check that? Okay, because then we're going 39 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: to get a letter. Henny Youngman's career peak was in 40 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: you morons, you do get paid during a government shutdown? Oh? Yeah? 41 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: And are we going to correct that now or should 42 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: we do it a listener mail, No, we might as 43 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: well correct it now. Yeah, so I got it wrong 44 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: big time, and we heard from apparently everybody. Nine thousand 45 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: of our million listeners are government employees who worked through 46 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: the last shutdown, because all of them email in and said, hey, 47 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: by the way, whether you worked or not, if you 48 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: were furloughed, you were. You got back paid this time. 49 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: But you we were right. It does take an act 50 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: of Congress. That doesn't happen automatically. What does this take 51 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: an Act of Congress? Yes, it does. So we got 52 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: that one wrong. I got that one wrong. Chuck went 53 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: along with it for the went along for the usual. Yeah, sure, yeah, 54 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: that sounds good. Josh, whatever you say, I want to 55 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: get your back you know, I appreciate that. So anyway, um, 56 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: back on j seven, it was a very important day 57 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: because you can use this day to basically pinpoint the 58 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: moment that America's just ongoing fascination with UFOs and by extension, 59 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: aliens began. It did not exist basically before that time. Yeah. 60 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: Why do you think that is? Because I think a 61 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: a skeptic and we're gonna talk a lot in this 62 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: episode about skeptics and believers. For lack of a better word, 63 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: Skeptics would say, like, while all of a sudden, that 64 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: UFOs just start appearing, right, And I think there are 65 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: some answers to that. Oh yeah, like I don't know, 66 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: maybe they just found it or maybe they just decided 67 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: to start poking around our airspace. Well, that presumes that 68 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: there is actual like UFOs and extra, yeah they do. 69 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: You have another explanation for if there isn't a they, Well, 70 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: maybe just um newspaper I mean, were there no like 71 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: even newspaper reports pre I know all of it began 72 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: on June ninety all right, Well then my answer is 73 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: the aliens started their business then on that day, Okay, 74 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: and I mean there would have to be a basically 75 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: a day zero if that ever really did start somewhere? Yeah, 76 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: why not seven? Who knows? They may have been zipping 77 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: around with the dinosaurs maybe, but the dinosaurs didn't put 78 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: that on the news. Nope, did they see that. Well, 79 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: they didn't preserve any of their own news reels. At 80 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: the very least that's true for me. The explanation is 81 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: mass hysteria, dogs and cats living together, that kind of stuff. Alright, 82 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: So on June there was a man named Kenneth Arnold. 83 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: He was a pilot to private pilot, not a private 84 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: in the army who was a pilot, private sector pilot. 85 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: I think that really got across with the private pilot. Uh. 86 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: And he had a good reputation. He wasn't some uh 87 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: he was known around town as a respectable business guy. 88 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: And he was flying near Washington Mount Rainier and he 89 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: was looking for down plane. I guess he was a 90 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: search and rescue guy. Hey, I think he was just 91 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: helping out maybe a similar pre civil air patrol. It 92 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: was or right around the time that it started, Okay, 93 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: but even still, I think he was just being like 94 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: a good samaritan. He had his own plane and was 95 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: helping like and he saw and this is a quote, 96 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: uh nine saucer like things flying like geese in a 97 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: diagonal chain like line, and estimated the speed of these 98 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: uh saucer geese to be twelve hundred miles per right, 99 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: which really is pretty funny. Well, at the time he 100 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: must have been going probably about fifty miles per hour 101 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: in his old little prop plane. UM. So part that 102 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: was really saying something you wouldn't hardly be able to 103 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: see it, I would think, so he he lodges this 104 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: report and um, within just a few hours, this is what. 105 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: I don't know how this happened, but within a few hours, 106 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: the Associated Prescott wind of this. Yeah. The AP is 107 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: a wire service, which means like they do the reporting 108 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: and they send it out to newspapers for syndication, and 109 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: newspapers just print what the AP wrote all over the country. 110 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: So the AP picking it up made it national news 111 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: almost the same day, basically that this man had seen something. 112 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: And in this AP report, the writer coined the term 113 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: flying saucers. Yeah, because Kenneth Arnold had called them saucer 114 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: like things that we're flying, and he went, let me 115 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: just rearrange this in a way that's a little more 116 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: gravy flying what flying? What he saw a saucer geese 117 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: like goscer geese. Flying saucers worked, And it was a 118 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: big deal, and all of a sudden, everyone starts seeing, Um, 119 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: we didn't call him UFOs yet. Just keep your pants on, 120 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: we'll get there flying saucers, flying saucers or flying discs. Right. 121 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: There was even in the San Francisco Chronicle headline that 122 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: said flying saucer seen in most states. Now, so that 123 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: headline was printed on July seven. Kenneth Arnold saw his 124 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: sighting on June, a couple of weeks at tops and 125 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: within that time, like so many reports happen that basically 126 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: every state had I had a report of a flying saucer. 127 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: Now pretty amazing. It was like a floodgate opened. Yeah, 128 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: which if you're in the United States Air Force at 129 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: the time, is problematic because they were in charge of 130 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: security for for anything not on the ground in the 131 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: United States. Yeah, the air space. Yeah, I guess I 132 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: could count the sea and that's the Navy. So yeah, 133 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: I was trying to say it in a more clever way, 134 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: but I think they're there, Yeah, you're airspace, and like, 135 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: what are we gonna do here? Uh? Is this a 136 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: threat to America? Like do we need to start legitimately 137 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: investigating this stuff? Right after Pearl Harbor, the Cold War 138 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: is starting to heat up a little bit and people 139 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: are freaked out and we need to see what's going 140 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: on at least. Yeah, people were a little jittery, yeah 141 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: over that in that decade in particular, So the Air 142 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: Force does decide that it needs to do something, um, 143 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: especially at the behest of a guy named Lieutenant General 144 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: Nathan Twining, who was the commander of Air Material Command, 145 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: and he wrote a memo titled Flying Discs, and he 146 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: basically said, we need to figure out what is the 147 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: deal with all this because these reports that are coming 148 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: in are describing things that shouldn't be possible. So let's 149 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: look into this. And he had enough clout that a project, 150 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: an Air Force project was created named Projects Sign. Yeah. 151 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: This is the first of what will be several projects 152 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: which culminated in you know, I think the final one 153 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: was just shut down like six or seven years ago, 154 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: like officially well twelve. I don't know if it's technically 155 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: related to SIGN, but it followed in the mean, I mean, 156 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: just projects investigating UFOs by the US government. Yes, like 157 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: officially designated investigations. Yeah, that the one you're referring to 158 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: was supposedly shut down in two twelve, but some claim 159 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: it was never really shut down, as it's usually the case. 160 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: So this project Signed technically was originally called Projects Saucer. 161 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: Not bad, It's okay. I like projects Signed cooler or more? 162 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: It sounds cooler. Um, yeah, don't you think it sounds 163 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: very mysterious? Well, yeah, I'll give you that. What is 164 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: it related to it's not as good as the next one, 165 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: but we'll look at that. Okay. So Projects Signed is 166 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: associated with right Patterson Air Force Base. It's assigned to it. 167 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: The project is run out of right Field at the time, 168 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: outside of Dayton. And if you're a u fologist, you 169 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: would say, well, of course it's right Patterson. That's where 170 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: they reverse engineer all the alien technology. So of course 171 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: that's where they would investigate it. And they actually do 172 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: reverse engineer technology at right Patterson Air Force Base. Then 173 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: they have since like World War One when a down 174 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: German biplane was captured and they took it to Dayton 175 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: and said, figure out how this works. That's a really 176 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: interesting job. And project sure, I think reverse engineering stuff 177 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: because it's basically copying. I mean I get why they 178 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: call it reverse engineering because you're starting at the end 179 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: and going backwards. But just to be handed like here 180 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: is an enemy, um whatever, it could be a weaponto 181 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: yeah whatever, and say, just figure out how it works 182 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: so we can build one if we want to, or 183 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: if it's not worth our time, then at least we 184 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: know how it works exactly, or we can come up 185 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: with measures to counteract it, or yeah, how can we 186 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: destroy this or copy this? What kind of potatoes are 187 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: they using in there? Those new potatoes, they'll put a 188 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: hole right through you new potato caboose? Oh yeah, that man? 189 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: Was that a real band? Or when you made up? 190 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: I can't remember it was real. It's like a little 191 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: hipie shake Ban's right. So, uh, the long and short 192 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: of it is anytime right. Patterson has mentioned that's when 193 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: the you know, who's the one guy that everyone the 194 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: meme always posts Aliens man? The other guy from Ancient Aliens? 195 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: Is that what it was from which I knew his name? 196 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: Do you remember? That's one of the first things that 197 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,599 Speaker 1: Aaron Cooper did of us? Oh really was us? Is 198 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: the Ancient Aliens guy? One of the first stuff you 199 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: should know? Meme copies after Van Nostran's era ended. After 200 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: Van Nostran's Reign of Terror, Cooper picked up the thread, 201 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: so it might say bean Nostrans continues today his reign 202 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: of terror. Yeah, just not photoshop based. So um yeah, 203 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: if it's right, Patterson, then people are gonna think there's 204 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,599 Speaker 1: something going on there. And like you said, there was 205 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: a lot going on there, including very secret projects that 206 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: are still going on there. I supposedly that's where they 207 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,599 Speaker 1: took the Roswell UH flying saucer, which also happened in 208 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 1: n A lot of people connect those dots, but it 209 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: apparently Roswell and the crash and aliens didn't really become 210 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: part of like cultural consciousness until the eighties. UM. Anyway, 211 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: So and so Project Signs going on, and in a 212 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: year after or the following year after Kenneth Arnold first 213 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: had a sighting UM, they released a document called the 214 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: Estimate of the Situation. And this is these are Air 215 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: Force personnel working on Project Signs, okay, and they get 216 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: together and they say, you know what, UM, we don't 217 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: think that based on some of these these UM, these 218 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: sightings and in particular what we consider very credible witnesses 219 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: describing very incredible things, that that they have any kind 220 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: of origin in US or even USSR technology, and there's 221 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: a possibility that these are extraterrestrial in origin. And that 222 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: was the basis of this estimate of the situation that 223 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: they handed off to UH Air Force, the Air Force Brass, 224 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: and the Air Force Brass said, are you out of 225 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: your mind? So in the end, the report basically said 226 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: we can neither confirm nor deny the very famous line 227 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: that everyone uses these days, which basically means there's something 228 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: going on. Yes, but remember we we found the place 229 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: where that first was cool the Glomar Explorer, right, and 230 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: that wasn't until the sixties. So I think this is 231 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: somebody using an anachronism here. Yeah, I mean, I don't 232 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: think it necessarily said that in the report, but that 233 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: was the upshot. Basically they just said it with different 234 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: words back then. So, um, here's the deal. Though, there 235 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: were a lot of people that worked on this thing 236 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: that uh would have probably confirmed. It was kind of 237 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: split between people like, maybe there's something going on here 238 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: and people that just didn't think so and probably didn't 239 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: want to deal with it. Yeah. I didn't have a 240 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: sense of just how evenly split it was, but there 241 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: were definitely people working on the projects who said they're 242 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: extraterrestrial in origin and other people who said, no, there's 243 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: we just don't understand it. The Air Force brass like 244 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: I said, said, are you guys crazy? You actually made 245 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: this document and got their hands on all the copies, 246 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: destroyed them all And as a matter of fact, the 247 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: Air Force has always denied that the estimate of the 248 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: situation ever existed, and that any understanding that it did 249 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: exist came from people who did work on Project sign 250 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: who said, no, this, this did exist, and this is 251 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: what it said, and this is the reaction it got. Yeah, 252 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: it's kind of hard not to like because we're both 253 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: fairly skeptical, but it's hard not to go down that 254 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: conspiracy trail a little bit. Yeah, when you hear stuff 255 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: like that report never existed and people that worked on 256 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: it like, no, it totally existed, and here's what it said, 257 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: here's what it was called. And you know, they just 258 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: basically incenterate the thing. You had a copy, I saw 259 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: you made the little flower doodles on it. It's hard 260 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: enough to go down that road, it really is. And 261 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: that's kind of part of the problem with all this 262 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: is because there's this um you know, this huge, massive 263 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: public um viewing of all of this stuff, reports, suggestions, 264 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: it becomes a thing, and at the same time, as 265 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: we'll see, the government is simultaneously investigating it and then 266 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: denying it, and it created kind of a weird headlock 267 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: on on the nation's psyche. Yeah, so there was one 268 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: um sighting in Project Signs book and report that doesn't 269 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: exist that most everyone was like pretty impressed by. And 270 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: that was the uh chills or chillis Childs why did 271 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: witted witted? I'm going with childs witted the child's witted 272 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: UFO encounter. And that was an Alabama in July of 273 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: And this is the beginning of what you will see 274 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: as a recurring thing where it's not you know, the 275 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: drunk farmer in the field or the college students students partying, 276 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: you know in a cul de sac. It's like military 277 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: pilots or airline pilots, like people that are trained to 278 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: understand aviation and know what doesn't look right. Uh. And 279 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: this one was to Eastern Airlines pilots. Uh. They were 280 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: flying a d C three and they said they nearly 281 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: collided with um. And here's the quote a strange torpedo 282 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: shape plying object that looked like quote one of those 283 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: fantastic flash Gordon rocket ships in the funny papers. It 284 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: didn't really help the legitimacy, but the fact that these 285 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: guys described it, that they were so bread at the time, 286 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: that they were both trained commercial pilots, it really did 287 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: impress a lot of people working on sign and it 288 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: did kind of give them this confidence that there may 289 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: be something going on that we don't understand here and 290 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: we need to investigate this. Right But for the Air 291 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: Forces part General hoyit Vandenburg said no physical evidence, no 292 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: case exactly, and and he's the one who allegedly ordered 293 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: all of the copies of the estimate destroyed, and he 294 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: also basically ordered from on high, look, all of this 295 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: can be explained something them how, some way, using our 296 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: current understanding of science, go make that happen. It's what 297 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: came to be known as the conventional explanation paradigm, which 298 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: I put this together long enough ago now that I 299 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: can't remember if that's an actual thing or if I 300 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: coin that. Oh the EP. Yes, it sounds official to me. 301 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: It does when you say it that way. But I 302 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: also have a very dry style, so it's entirely possible 303 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: I came up with that. But that is there are 304 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: three things, basically three causes of why somebody might think 305 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: they have seen a alien ship under the c EP 306 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,959 Speaker 1: under the EP mass hysteria and hallucination, which is what 307 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: you think, dogs and cats, hoax, which is that's super 308 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: easy to believe that someone Plenty of those have happened. 309 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: You remember crop circles. Uh. And then misinterpretation of known objects, 310 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: which is a very big bucket that you can toss 311 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: things into if you're the military. Yeah, because there's a 312 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: lot of weather phenomenon or celestial phenomenon and you can 313 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,239 Speaker 1: just make stuff up and say they were looking at 314 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: this rubber bands? What it was rubber bands? How are 315 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: you going to prove otherwise? You'll note, though, in all 316 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: three of those explanations, there are none of them say 317 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: extraterrestrials or even secret unknown technology, right, because that's not 318 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: conventional or an explanation. While it is an explanation, but 319 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: it's not conventional, but it doesn't fit the paradigm. It 320 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: does not Uh. And then they actually worked with the 321 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: Saturday Evening post Um which everybody was reading at the time, 322 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: and they did a two part article which debunked flying saucers. 323 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: And this was sort of the beginning of um kind 324 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: of like a not kind of like very much a 325 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: pr campaign to debunk flying saucers. Should you take a break? 326 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: I think we should chuck. We've reached the break part. 327 00:18:53,680 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: All right, We'll move on to Project Grudge right after this. Okay, 328 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: So here's the thing though, the Air Force, even if 329 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: they really genuinely were like, no, man, there's no such 330 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: thing as aliens. Whatever this is, it's just it's just 331 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: Americans being freaked out about the Cold War. Okay, let's 332 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: just call it that. This is the Air Force brass talking. 333 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: I'm doing my best impression of them. Um. They still 334 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: needed to investigate him, because the Air Force is charged 335 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: with protecting US airspace and there are reports coming in 336 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: on a daily basis from all over the country of 337 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: unidentified objects flying saucers flying through American airspace. So they 338 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 1: still needed to investigate this. But the Air Force decided 339 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: they could investigate it on their own terms, and so 340 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: Projects sign was dissolved and replaced by what this is 341 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: your favorite name for Project Grudge, which is named so 342 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: exactly why, you think, because they didn't want to be 343 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: messing with this stuff, they should have called it Project 344 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: Uh are you freaking kidding me? Are you joking right now? 345 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: I gotta do what do you hear yourself? Um? Yeah, 346 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: that was a sort of That was the attitude in 347 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: the Air Force at the time. You didn't want to 348 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: get assigned. There might have been like one person that 349 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: was super into it. I think they were a handful, 350 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 1: but generally you didn't go into the Air Force to 351 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: do this, and you were probably irked if you were 352 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: assigned this duty. Yeah. I got the impression that this 353 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: was something like being stationed in Greenland or Siberia or 354 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: Alaska or something like that. Probably not Siberia. That Greenland's nice. No, 355 00:20:54,520 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: it's not. Alaska's lovely, okay, depending on all right, uninhabited Canada, Oh, okay, 356 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: can it is great? Anyway, I got the impresson this 357 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: is like a backwater assignment where if you ticked off 358 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: your your commanding officer, that's they would put you on 359 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: Project Oh you should have said South Georgia. Okay, yes, 360 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: the worst place in the world. So uh yeah. You 361 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: call this the Dark Ages of Air Force UFO investigation 362 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: because Project Grudge was um the basic tenant there was. 363 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: We're here to debunk these claims, not so much investigate, 364 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: but just a debunk. Right, Not only do these have 365 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: some sort of conventional explanation, even when they seem like 366 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: we don't they don't, We're still going to give them 367 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: a conventional explanation because that's it. Because these are not 368 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: extraterrestrials and we're sick of this s word. Yes, that's 369 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: what the Air Force said, that's right. Uh. And one 370 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: of the people they hired as a civilian scientist consultant 371 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: was a man named very important figure in this whole story, 372 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: j Allen Heinek from the Ohio State University. You did that, huh? 373 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: And he is a prominent astronomer. Does that make you 374 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: mad a little bit? I'm not sure why either, but 375 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: it does. Uh. He was a prominent astronomer and he 376 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: was recruited specifically to be chief of debunker And that's 377 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: how we saw his role for sure too, especially initially, 378 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: so he was a UFO skeptic UM to him, he 379 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: really kind of fell in line with that mentality that 380 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: everything could be explained as a hoax or a misunderstanding 381 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: or a misidentification. UM. But he was also a scientist 382 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: in his you know core. Yeah, he was a very 383 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: well respected astronomer, and he believed that this should still 384 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: be investigated, especially cases where somebody who was like a 385 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: trained pilot or an astronomer or a meteorologist or somebody 386 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: had seen something um and and reported it and that 387 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: it seemed incredible. Those incredible sightings by incredible people that 388 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: was kind of the confounding thread that wound through these 389 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: decades of investigation of UFOs. Yeah, and the other thing 390 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: too that you gotta remember about Heineck was he was 391 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: very much the face of this debunking and uh, it's 392 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: a role that he would grow to loathe over the years, 393 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: to say the least, because we'll get to some of 394 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: the more ridiculous explanations. He was the one that had 395 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: to pare it the stuff out. Yeah, you know, they'd 396 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: shove him out there, would be like, I don't know, 397 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden realized there were cameras 398 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: in his face and he'd say, yo, everyone. That's what 399 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: he was famous for, was that his intro linue. That's 400 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: how it started every press conference. So one of his 401 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: first efforts here and this was um and maybe his 402 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: most famous this was the case of Captain Thomas Mantel. 403 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: He was an Air Force pilot who died when his 404 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: P fifty one Mustang went down while he was chasing 405 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: a UFO. That sounds like an Air Force pilot and 406 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: a pet Mustang. That's what you would do. Let me 407 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: go after that thing. Sure, I want to, I want 408 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: to see what it's like, that's what Maverick would do. Yeah, 409 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: I guess. So are you excited about that movie? I know? No, No, 410 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: did you see the trailer? No, I'm gonna show it 411 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: to you. It has Tom Cruise d aged in it. 412 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: They should have just gone with that, So you are 413 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: you excited about it? Listen? Man? I like top Gun. 414 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: I was not some like. I didn't think I was 415 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: some big nut for top Gun. But when I saw 416 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: that trailer, it gave me a little bit of the 417 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 1: fields for sure. Yeah, man, I was like, why am 418 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: I so excited about this? Wow? Okay, well maybe I'll 419 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: give it. I guess on the child of the eighties. 420 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: But when I saw him on that that Ninja motorcycle 421 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: or whatever, riding around with his helmet on that music, 422 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: who is top Gun? Now? Well? I think the deal 423 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: is now he comes back, and now there's a brash 424 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: young kid. Right, Who's the bresh young kid? Is a 425 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: Christian Navarro? I don't think so. I predicted it would be, 426 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: and I don't think I'm right. Well, he would have 427 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: been better than whoever they got, is what I'm saying, 428 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: because he's a friend of the show and the other 429 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: guy is probably not of course, although if it turns 430 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: out he is, then it would be an even match. 431 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: That's right. That's why we cast our a lot behind 432 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: people who listen to they're the only respectable people, all right. 433 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: At any rate, I will go see this. I will 434 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: to my dying day not see the remake of Red Dawn, 435 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: despite at least a friend of the show, if not 436 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: a former friend of the show, UM producing that film. 437 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: Oh luke, Yes, yeah, he says it stinks to I'm 438 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: not sure you're allowed to say that. You might want 439 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: to email him first, Okay, okay, so okay, Heineck the 440 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: P fifty one goes down and Hi Hiinich says, you 441 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: know what, he may have been pursuing and chasing Venus 442 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: and they you know, that's a planet. Yeah so maybe 443 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: uh and it was daytime and you can't see Venus 444 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: in the daytime. He's like, yeah, I'm just gonna stick 445 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: with Venus. I'm gonna stick with Venus. Goodbye. And there 446 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: were That was just one explanation. There were other ones. Obviously. 447 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: The weather bloom thing has always been a big one. 448 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: UM conventional aircraft that you just you know, you saw 449 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: it in the wrong light. Maybe, Yeah, So so you know, 450 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: like you watched X files and everything. Sure, Okay, do 451 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: you remember how like this kind of like agitated Molder 452 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: would get and he'd start talking really fast. He would 453 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: just be talking about all the ridiculous explanations that I've 454 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: been given for UFOs. This is where they actually started, yeah, 455 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: with j Allen Heineck giving these public explanations that over 456 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: the years is we'll see really stretch credibility, reason, logic, 457 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: common sense and became a just kind of a a 458 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: pr problem for the Air Force. Yeah, because it might 459 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: have been nothing or something explainable, but to just brush 460 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: it under the rug as X or Y, like hey 461 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: it's venus. It's like it that makes them do nothing 462 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: but look bad, like they're not even taking it seriously, 463 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: right right exactly. And I think in the Air Forces 464 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: defense or from the position they were coming from, they 465 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: didn't think the American public could handle and you know, 466 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 1: oh sure just by saying like, oh, I don't know 467 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: what it was. You know, it wasn't a UFO, everybody, 468 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't an alien, it wasn't the Russians, but we 469 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: just we can't say what it was. They were not 470 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: prepared to just go out there and do that. Yeah, 471 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: and again in their defense, I think America may have 472 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: proven them right. They would have just been like, I 473 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: knew it, it's aliens, and yeah, well they didn't want that. 474 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: So they didn't want that kind of hysteria getting whipped up, 475 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: which is why they explained everything, no matter how ridiculous 476 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: it was. That's right. So, um, this happened, more and 477 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: more and more, more sightings would come in. Air force 478 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: would trot Heinek out there again with his hello, good 479 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: bye and in between a bunch of bs. Basically, yeah, 480 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: everything from balloons, planets, meteor's optical illusions, solar reflections, large 481 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 1: hailstones is one that really got everybody. Um. But as 482 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: as far as the air forces like going out there 483 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: and just explaining everything in the actual project, people are 484 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: saying like, there's some there's some out there that we 485 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: just don't understand. There's something some core of this phenomenon. Yes, 486 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: a lot of it is probably mass ysteria. Yes, a 487 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: lot of his misidentification. But there are again credible witnesses 488 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: who are giving these reports and we just can't quite 489 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: explain these. Yeah, there was one in particular in September 490 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: of ninety one that really kind of brought things to 491 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: a head. This was in Fort Monmouth, New Jersey, and 492 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: these were I mean, there were pilots, there were radar operators. Um, 493 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: they observed fast moving, highly maneuverable disc shaped aircraft. And 494 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: this is something you're gonna see again and again and again. Uh. 495 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: They're they're always super fast and can do things that 496 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: they've never seen aircraft do, like start and stop like 497 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: on a dime, and turn and do these weird things 498 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: that like are inexplicable for like really experienced pilots witnessing 499 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: this stuff, or traveler even just an It's like this 500 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: is there's not anything that at this time was supposed 501 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: to be able to do that, right, And so Project Grudge, 502 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: the personnel there had to investigate all the stuff and 503 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: the chain of command basically was to report it to 504 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: Major or Well. The man in charge was Major General 505 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: Charles Cabell. He was ahead of Air Force Intelligence at 506 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: the Pentagon. Yeah, and because this was these were military witnesses, 507 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: it was a military incident, he wanted this directly to him, 508 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: that's right. So there was one a Grudge investigator, Lieutenant 509 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: Jerry Cummings, not Jerry sitting next to us. She's never 510 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: been in the air for hush, as far as I 511 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: know what she's been telling me otherwise for years. Oh yeah, 512 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: she's a big time impostor if she hasn't been in 513 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: the Air Force. So he actually believed that they were 514 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: quote intelligently controlled what they investigated. He thought, he's basically 515 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: using code for aliens man, right, like the guy from 516 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: Ancient Alien exactly. So here's the thing that Lieutenant Jerry Cummings, 517 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: who who headed up this project for grudge, he was um, 518 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: he was a little He was on the side of 519 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: people who were like, no, this is being just swept 520 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: under the rug. It's not being seriously investigated. And he 521 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: actually griped about it to the head of Air Force Intelligence, 522 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: Um Cable, that guy Cable, right, like Cabal Cable, Cabell, Cabell, Okay, 523 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: and Cabell was like, what you guys aren't actually investigating 524 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: this stuff. This is all just a pr campaign and 525 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: uh he was told affirmative, sir, affirmative, and he went 526 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: a little nuts. Oh that's what happened. Okay. It wasn't 527 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: quite clear on what made it. I didn't write it 528 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: very well. Okay, So he said, Okay, this is ridiculous 529 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: that we're not actually investigating it. That's going to change. 530 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: So he had enough cloud that he got Grudge dissolved. Oh, 531 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: I thought he didn't like Grudge. He didn't like the 532 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: way that Grudge was conducting this investigation, which is to say, 533 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: not at all this makes more sense. And he instead said, 534 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: we need to do something else. We need to revamp 535 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: this whole project. We're gonna create We're gonna dissolve Grudge, 536 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: create a new project. We're gonna call it Project blue 537 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: Book because at the time, college exams were given in 538 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: these standardized blue test books. And he said that we 539 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: need to approach this with all the seriousness of a 540 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: test in college. We're gonna call this Project blue Book. 541 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: And um, we're going to get a new guy to 542 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: head it up, a guy named Captain Edward J. Ruppelt, 543 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: And he could not have found a better guy to 544 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: to head Project blue Book. All right, let's take another break, 545 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: and we should also announce this is a two parter. 546 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: I don't think we said that at the onset. Well, 547 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,719 Speaker 1: that was gonna be the big cliffhanger, Oh, was it? Yeah, 548 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: it was gonna be like the bicycle repair episode of 549 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: different Strokes where no one collaps. Everybody just sits there 550 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: in stunned silent. Well we can still do that, okay, alright, alright. 551 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: So Project blue Book in the special two part episode. 552 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: This is the second half of part one. Oh my god, 553 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: you has confused me so bad. This was the new 554 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: jam after Project Grudge. And you mentioned Edward Captain Edward J. 555 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: Repel or is it repelled? I've been calling them ruppled. 556 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, your sounds a little more regal. So 557 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: let's go with repelled. Okay. Oh man, do people get 558 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: sick of this? I can't believe they don't, but they 559 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: don't seem to. Our numbers are steady, if not still growing. 560 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: I imagine that we lose point five percent of listeners 561 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: of a pronunciation alone. Oh, probably more than that. We're 562 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: lovable and almost any other way. So blue Book is happening, 563 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: and under the command of Repelled. It is the Salad 564 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: Days of official Military UFO investigation. I'm glad you use 565 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: salad days. Have you ever seen the moning Python Salad Days? 566 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: Sketch cheese? I don't know wherever they're playing like tennis 567 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: in the late Victorian era, and like all of a sudden, 568 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: it just turns into this bizarre blood bath. People like 569 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: lose arms and sounds, head falls off. There's just blood everywhere. 570 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,239 Speaker 1: I just watch it again, Okay, okay, anytime I hear 571 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: salad days, that's what I think. Money Python, They're so great. 572 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: So the objective, the objective, cheez. The objectives of Blue 573 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: Book were one, determine whether UFOs are a threat to 574 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: US security, because that's the big deal. That's why the 575 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: military's involved. It's not just like, you know, we just 576 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: gotta like calm people's nerves. Like like we said earlier, 577 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: they really had to do this because they can't if 578 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: Independence Day happened. They can't be the ones who are like, oh, 579 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: we we quit investigating this stuff because we thought it 580 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: was just movies and science fiction. Yeah, yeah, that's there. 581 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: They don't want to investigate this, but they have to 582 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,720 Speaker 1: a security concern just in case, and at the very least, 583 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: the Air Force has to be showing the country that 584 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: they're investigating, that they're on top of any security concerns 585 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: like that. That's right. So that was the first objective. 586 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: Number two was and this makes sense as well, um 587 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: to determine if they possess they meaning the Aliens. I 588 00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: guess any unique scientific information or advanced technology we could use. Yeah, 589 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 1: and it didn't necessarily have to be Aliens. It could 590 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: have been the Soviets too. I think that was probably 591 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: the largest suspicion among people who said, no, this is real. 592 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: Not necessarily that it's aliens. But maybe the Soviets are 593 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: way way further ahead than than we think they are. Yeah, 594 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: like maybe they have some advanced by plane in US. 595 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to spoil anything, but we 596 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: had good reason to believe that might be going on, right, 597 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: I know what you mean. I hope no one else 598 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: does so. Uh, you can thank Mr Repelled or Captain 599 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: Repelled by creating the term UFO. Yeah, he was like 600 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: flying saucer, flying disc. Those are and and um disc 601 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: geese who said, who even came up with that? Um? 602 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: Those are totally Unscientifically, we need something that just kind 603 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: of resets things and says this is a scientific investigation, 604 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: and it worked. I mean, if you it's easy to 605 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 1: thank UFO. Now sounds so like goofy and unscientific, but 606 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 1: when you break down the words, it's it's the classification 607 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: that really worked at the time. It's just kind of 608 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: go on, it's gone on to feel like something else 609 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: and meaning, oh yeah, it's definitely got a lot of 610 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: cultural baggage around it now, but at the time, yeah, 611 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: it was adia object exactly. And one of the other 612 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: benefits of creating this new term was that they are 613 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 1: also allowed to kind of redefine it, and they defined 614 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: it really broadly as any aerial object which the observer 615 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: is unable to identify, which is I mean, that's a 616 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: really broad definition. And it also puts the onus for 617 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: figuring out what that object was on the investigator. It's 618 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: like basically saying, somebody saw something, they don't know what 619 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: it is. Here's the description, go figure it out. Yeah. 620 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: And to his credit, he was like, let's get a 621 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: database on a computer. And everyone said, what's a computer. 622 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: He said, it's right here inside this warehouse, right, the 623 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: warehouses the computer that's right, plug it in. Uh. And 624 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: he he was gonna apply statistical methods to really try 625 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: and figure something out. Drew up these questionnaires for people. 626 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: Write a streamline questionnaire. Yeah, stuff like a draw picture 627 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: that will show the shape of the object. Um, what 628 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 1: was the condition of the sky. Did it suddenly speed up, 629 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: a rush away? Did it change shape? Did it flicker? 630 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: Did it throb? Did it pulse? Sate? Never moment? This 631 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: is creepy And they shoved the question in air back 632 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:31,399 Speaker 1: across the table. But the UM and that the US 633 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: Air Force Space basically designated a special officer to collect 634 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: all these reports. Every base had one, every single base, 635 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: and they all had to send those two right Patterson, 636 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: right exactly. So UM they were taking this like really 637 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: scientific approach that was saying like, we don't know what 638 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: this is, but we're going to apply science to it, 639 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: and we're going to get to the bottom of it. 640 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: And as a result, they said, okay, because this definition 641 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: for unidentified flying object is so wide, because it's up 642 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 1: to us to investigate, we're gonna come up with three 643 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: categories that these can possibly be placed into. There is 644 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: identified where we figured it out. It was a meteor, 645 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: it was a weather balloon. The person was drunk on 646 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: corn whiskey, who knows. Um, there is insufficient data, were like, 647 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just this thing that flew by. 648 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,919 Speaker 1: He'd say, okay, that's an insufficient data one. And then 649 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: the last one the most famous one is unidentified, where 650 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: no matter what UM they try during this investigation, they 651 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: have enough data, they have a good enough description, but 652 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: they can't correlate it with any known object phenomenon technology. 653 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,879 Speaker 1: And as a result, because of this open mindedness led 654 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: by Captain Repelt, that there was a UM unidentified rate 655 00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: in Project Blue Books Investigation UM during his tenure. That's right, reports, 656 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: we're misidentification of known things. Nine, we're insufficient information. I 657 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: guess insufficient data and then known category uh one and 658 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: a half percent were crackpots, were probable hoaxes, but basically miscellaneous. 659 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: And then I think two. Yeah, I'm sorry, unknown, unknown 660 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 1: or unidentified. And to this day, the official number of 661 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: unidentified flying objects sightings that remained unidentified unexplained is seven 662 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 1: and one. That's a magic number. Yeah, there are dudes 663 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: out there with that tattooed on the back of their neck. 664 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: Probably I want to believe. Is that the end of 665 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: part one? I think, so Chuck is pretty good spot. 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