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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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Speaker 2: Harris's campaign finally receiving more than one hundred million dollars

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Speaker 2: in donations since Sunday, as an unofficial AP tally shows

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Speaker 2: her securing enough delegates for the Democratic nomination. Speaking at

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Speaker 2: her campaign headquarters, Harris saying, I am proud to have

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Speaker 2: secured the broad support needed to become our party's nominee.

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Speaker 2: I look forward to formally accepting the nomination soon to

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Speaker 2: have that discussion now. I'm pleased to say that joining

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Speaker 2: US Democratic Congressman Jake Chincloss of Massachusetts Congressman, great to

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Speaker 2: catch up with you, sir. You've been a big supporter

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Speaker 2: of the president. You weren't one of those that came

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Speaker 2: out and asked him to stand down. You were one

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Speaker 2: of those who highlighted the success he's had his track

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Speaker 2: record over the last three and a half years, Which

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Speaker 2: how good you think that track record has been, why

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Speaker 2: people within your own party has forced him to step aside.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Thanks for having me on. General elections are

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Speaker 3: one or loss. The terms of the debate are set,

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Speaker 4: A president's age and acuity.

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Speaker 3: Now with Kamala Harris having taken the torch, the terms

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Speaker 3: of the debate are the future versus the past, our

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Speaker 3: rule of law versus the law of the ruler, Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump's obsession with the grievances of the past versus the

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Speaker 4: These terms of debate, Democrats will win. Congressman, do you

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Speaker 4: think he was appropriate though?

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Speaker 5: That The President told the American people through a letter,

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Speaker 5: and we've yet to hear him address the American people.

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Speaker 5: He's a sitting president. We haven't seen him since July seventeenth,

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Speaker 3: The President laid out his decision in a thoughtful and

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Speaker 3: well crafted letter, and then he's going to address the

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Speaker 3: nation this week, I believe, and I think he is

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Speaker 3: put the country's interest ahead of his own, which is

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Speaker 3: a start contrast to what we have seen from Donald Trump, who,

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Speaker 3: rather than see power, clung onto power in set it

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Speaker 3: in an insurrection and cause the deaths of officers in

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Speaker 5: But at the moment, there's a lot of questions surrounding

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Speaker 5: why we have yet to see him and decided to

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Speaker 5: do this by through a letter. Is it your understanding

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Speaker 5: that if he didn't drop out this weekend, more of

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Speaker 5: your colleagues in Congress were going to become public with

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Speaker 3: I don't think conjecture about the past is particularly fruitful.

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Speaker 3: Right now we have our nominee, it's Kamala Harris. I

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Speaker 3: think the focus now is how do we sprint through

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Speaker 3: the contrast now is going to be on Democrats as

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Speaker 5: Does this to you look like basically a coronation though?

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Speaker 5: Of the vice president? The Wall Street Journal editorial board

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Speaker 5: this morning talked about that the country's now losing the

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Speaker 5: chance to see a genuine and instructive party debate unfold.

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Speaker 5: She is winning by acclamation among all of the Democratic

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Speaker 4: How concerned are you.

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Speaker 5: That this looks like a coronation of vice president and

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Speaker 5: not like a democratic process.

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Speaker 3: I like competition. I like competition in business. I like

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Speaker 4: Choose our next nominee.

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Speaker 3: But Kamala Harris can't help it. If everybody endorses her

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Speaker 4: She said she was going to earn it and win it.

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Speaker 3: She's earned it, She's going to win the nomination, and

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Speaker 1: But I think the way to put this together is

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Speaker 1: there's this question of how can the Democrats be the

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Speaker 3: I think that's a flawed premise. I was here in

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Speaker 3: the chamber on January sixth. I've seen what a coup

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Speaker 3: the delegates. He then decided, I'm going to step aside.

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Speaker 3: Those delegates were unbound. They were free to choose whomever

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Speaker 3: That is exactly the way that delegates are supposed to

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Speaker 3: And I am confident that since seventy percent of Americans

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Speaker 1: There's also a lot of concern about what people don't know,

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Speaker 1: and I think that that's what the debate really highlighted.

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Speaker 4: For a lot of people. What aren't we seeing.

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Speaker 1: About the state of the current president, who still has

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Speaker 1: and there is this fear that you know, it's something

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Speaker 1: more that caused to withdraw than simply pressure that has

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know a few days as an eternity

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Speaker 3: This president took an economy that was flat on its back,

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harrison is going to be able to run on now,

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Speaker 3: is we've put the age and acuity issue to bed.

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Speaker 3: We have the policies front and center, we have a

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Speaker 2: Congressman, you just said that they like the policies. Can

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Speaker 2: you point to the polls where that really shows up.

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Speaker 3: Medicare, negotiation of drug prices, investing in infrastructure, the Chips

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Speaker 3: Bipartisans Safer Communities Act that has helped push homicide.

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Speaker 2: That's a long list of fifty issues. You're right to

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Speaker 2: point them out. That's been a successful part of the administration.

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Speaker 2: But he was behind the polls to such an extent

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Speaker 2: the leadership within your party pushed him off the ticket. Congressman,

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Speaker 2: I just feel like this conversation at the moment feels

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Speaker 2: like we're in two different realities. You just then appreciate

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Speaker 2: it about the news cycle. Let me just finish up.

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Speaker 2: I felt like that was needlessleep snarky, sir. This is

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Speaker 2: not about the news cycle. This is about the sitting

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Speaker 2: of the most consequential decisions of his career on Twitter

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Speaker 2: on Sunday, and we've not really heard from him since.

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Speaker 2: And I find out that you don't think that's strange.

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Speaker 4: It's Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: He issues a letter on Sunday. He's going to address

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Speaker 3: the nation. He laid out his reasoning. This country, over

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Speaker 3: nothing that's an affront to the American public about laying out,

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Speaker 3: only can he be president, but he can be a

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Speaker 2: So why isn't he running?

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Speaker 3: He isn't running because the concerns about his age and

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Speaker 2: The duties own that concerns that you'll colleagues have, correct,

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Speaker 2: let's come from within your own party. That's not like

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Speaker 4: I've just really struggled here.

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Speaker 2: You've come out a few times, and I've seen some

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Speaker 3: No, because the public was focused on the president's age

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Speaker 3: last four years. Let's take this forward as we debate

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Speaker 3: to heal our democracy after the depredations of the trial administration.

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Speaker 3: And all Trump is going to be able to say

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Speaker 5: Ten Congressman, if it's your own colleagues, the elder state's individuals,

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Speaker 5: if you will, of your Democratic your leader's Pelosi Schumer,

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Speaker 5: all these leaks, if they're the ones that are concerned

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Speaker 4: The rest of his term.

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Speaker 3: He absolutely should not step aside. This president is fully

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Speaker 3: able to be commander and chief. We've seen him walk

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Speaker 4: We've seen him rally NATO to Ukraine's side.

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Speaker 3: We've seen him bind together South Korea and Japan and

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Speaker 3: He has demonstrated he can do the job. He's eighty

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Speaker 3: a difference at the top of both tickets, and Republicans

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Speaker 3: responded with a mosh.

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Speaker 4: Pit in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 2: Congressmen appreciate the stern defense. Thank you, sir, Congressman Jake Arkincloss. There,

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Speaker 2: I'm the latest out of Massachusetts, a stern defense of

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Speaker 2: the President of the United States.