WEBVTT - Ep. 413: Split and Delivered 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.760 This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:17.640 severely bug bitten in my case, underwear listening to podcast. 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:23.360 You can't predict anything presented by first, like creating proven 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:27.920 versatile hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:35.720 for every hunt. First like go farther, stay longer. Hey, folks, 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:40.400 Janice patelis from Meat Eater Here. I'm going to Nashville, 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:43.200 Tennessee here in a couple of weeks, and I need 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.280 your help. I'm going down there to record some turkey stories. 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:48.840 I need your help to help me find the best 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.200 turkey storytellers that you know. Okay, I'm gonna be down 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:57.040 there every day of the convention February. We're gonna be 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:01.520 in Dorsey of Ryman's studio. There's gonna be signage there 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:04.559 directing you how to get there, so you can take 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.560 your friend or your grandpa or maybe yourself there to 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.600 me and record a turkey story with me. Remember, it 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:14.200 doesn't necessarily have to be about turkey hunting. It could 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.360 be about the relationships that we get from turkey hunting, 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.320 something that happened before our turkey hunt, wherever it might be. 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:22.560 I just want to get it recorded. I think this 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:25.959 is a great opportunity for us as hunters to record 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.199 some of our oral history that is such a great 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.319 part of hunting, and uh, get it recorded, so we 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:33.480 have it forever years down the line will be able 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:35.360 to look at and go, hey, remember what it was 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:41.840 like back in so Nashville, Tennessee, February eighth. We have 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.160 room open for walkins. If you want to sign up 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:48.600 ahead of time, go to the meat eater dot com 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:52.280 forward slash Turkey story sign up and you can get 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:54.640 a time slot there so you don't have to try 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:56.800 to beat the rush when we're all down there hanging 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:06.760 out at the Turkey Convention. Thanks in advance. Holy smokes, 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:08.240 we got maybe we got a lot to pack in. 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.240 Right now, we are joined by one want to repeat customer, 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:16.840 repeat guests, quite possibly the most repeated guests. No, I 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.160 think half the finger wins that. No, No, I don't 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:22.679 even think it's happening. Carmen. How many times have you 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:27.760 been on? You've been on four times, twice in Seattle 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:31.760 and twice here now. Yeah, she's old school. Man. When 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:34.120 we said podcast in your garage, yeah, man, when we 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.200 used to hang the shipping, those shipping do we have 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:39.440 the shipping blankets hung up everywhere? I don't remember that. 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:43.400 I was more distracted by how immaculate your garage that 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:49.839 ain't change, has not changed. So Carmen van Bianci is back, Um, 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:51.600 and you got you gotta you have a proposal. You 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:55.040 have a pitch. Yeah, I got a pitch today. Uh, 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:59.720 just what I remember, Just so everyone remembers, Carmen is 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:07.120 a recreational hunter, but a professional wildlife researcher. And her 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.799 pitch to you all, you gotta dig deep. This is 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:14.359 gonna be like the Jerry Lewis telethon that's dated. Do 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:15.639 you know what I'm talking about? Want to say Jerry 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:21.400 Lewis telethon because we're Jerry's kids. There's a joke behind that. 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:25.040 But yeah, you gotta keep that one in your pocket. 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.200 Um also joined, So we we're gonna get to We're 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.560 gonna get the Carmen's pitch and you guys got there. 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.399 Everybody's got to dig deep in their wallets and help 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.200 her out. And if you happen to own a snowmobile company, 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:39.120 you'll want to pay particular attention because this wildlife research 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:44.400 project needs your assistance. Also joined by uh probably the 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:52.360 pre eminent YouTube stars, the pre eminent YouTubers on YouTube, 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.160 like these are the guys that that like that Mr 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:02.080 Beest found his inspiration problem your beast and end. No. No, 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.640 he was like, he was like, I'd like to be 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.120 like that, but I'm not. I can't trap beavers like that, 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:13.160 So I'm gonna oddly exploitative stuff exactly. And I too 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:17.719 oddly exploitative stuff where I act like I'm being magnanimous, 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.039 but I'm kind of a little bit being exploited under 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:25.359 the guys of charity, I guess, you know, uh um, 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:26.760 you know, you know, I talking about how a lot 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.760 of like how people that like to hunt are always 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.919 disappointed in Disney movies, you know, because they'd be like 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.480 a hunter in there and he's where he's from the South, 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:41.600 you know, he's like ignorant. Yeah, uh um. And I 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.159 was saying that that I like to watch Adventure Time 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:48.320 with my kids because an Adventure Time their house is 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:54.240 full of taxidermy and they sleep under animal skins. Um. 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.200 It's just it's very like it's it's got all the 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.160 They even have like skinned out ducks and stuff that 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.120 they sleep under, but they sleep under animal hides. And 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.359 I like that show. They kind of did a goof 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.080 on Um. They did a little bit of a goof 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:10.880 on that genre of YouTube video where they they have 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:12.840 a large pile of treasure and they take some of 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.400 their treasure and they go to these uh goji berries 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.919 house and use their money to get these goji berries 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.479 to do They go exploit them with their money, and 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.840 the goji berries have a hard time saying no, oh, 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:33.920 they're personified animated goji berry. I can explain. I'm talking 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.800 of course about Chris and Ken Carlson from both they 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.240 have a duel like uh dual channels both things that 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:46.040 are very interesting to me. In the woodyard, which chronicles 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:50.520 their wood chopping exploits and out of the woodyard where 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:56.040 they're not in the woodyard. You're easily entertained, aren't you, everybody? 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:57.839 I showed you? Okay, So we have a we have 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.480 a we have a person at uh you know people 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.039 have seen her just been on the show. We have 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:09.680 an employee, Tracy Um who I'm I want to say 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.840 she could give her rat's ass about wood chopping and 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:16.679 beaver trapping. Um, but she did go and get realed 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.360 into rock picking and picked all the rocks, like would 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:24.839 go to a ranchers go to a ranch assuming they 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:28.320 didn't want rocks right impeding with the growth of their grass. 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.440 Sounds like my wife, and she did. She picks. She 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:35.760 personally picked enough rocks for a giant chimney and giant 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.160 patio and stuff. So that might so I can't say 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:40.800 that she wouldn't give a rat's ass about it, but 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:42.960 I was introduced. I was like, you have to watch 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:48.760 these guys, okay, and she said it was She said 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:50.800 the same thing Crincesett where it's like, what's the thing 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:52.799 where you listen to people playing with beads and ship? 0:06:55.320 --> 0:07:01.120 Yea auto sensory motor stimulation? Is that right? Something you could? 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:04.159 You could watch these guys for dates. It's unbelievable, Like 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:08.520 I never thought, like hours of my life and go 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:16.320 no watching people. Plouse was the I was like, you 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.080 have to watch and so I was like, you just 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:19.880 check it out, just watch for a second. So she 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.120 starts watching it around the phone and person realized we've 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:23.720 been on the phone together not saying any of the 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:31.160 pretends to me. It's like the world, Oh, I need 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:35.480 to correct myself. A SMRs is autonomous sensory meridian response. 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:39.640 What did you say it was auto sensory motor response. 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:43.240 Is there where you get that tingly feeling in your head? Ye, 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:45.280 you can get it that way. You can get it 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:52.040 by with Karin's um pheasant foot, Yeah, pheasant foot head tickler. 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:57.640 You can. It's like slow TV that we've we've talked 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.760 a little bit about on this show. But it's I 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.840 think that's it's kind of the same thing. Sounds A 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.480 lot of people like listening to this. The dueling chainsaws 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:09.920 go over well, you know, stuff like that, the sound 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.960 of the spud hitting the ice splitter, you know, when 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.400 this when the wood cracks, you know, it's a cool sound. 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.320 My daughter, who wants nothing to do with it, helped 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:21.160 film one day for me and she said, that's really interesting, 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:24.240 just listening to the sound of the wood split. And 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.640 she said, I can listen to that all day. Get 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:29.840 a lot of that from a lot of people. It's weird. 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.360 So we're gonna we're gonna dig in. We're gonna do 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.840 Carmen's big, big push where everyody's gonna dig deep in 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:39.679 their pockets and there's there's something in it for you. 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:44.480 I'm talking to the listener adjest to carry it up first. 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:48.160 We gotta we gotta get into a couple of things, um, 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.679 some feedback issues. Someone had an interesting point. I'm not 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:52.920 gonna spend a ton of time on this guy. I 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.960 feel like they're being a little nitpicky. Jesse Griffiths on 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:01.240 episode four or five of the podcast, Jesse Griffiths was 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:07.320 bitching and moaned about the term dry brin um on 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.800 the grounds that it was an inaccurate fad term for 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:14.480 a process that already had multiple names, including dry rub 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.319 and pre seasoning. His words, but also that's like kind 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:21.800 of an oxymoron, right, It's like like Brian is liquid. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.480 So he's like, when you're dry brining, why are you 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:29.000 not putting a dry rub on it? Why are you 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.800 not preseasoning it? And someone rolled in to say, if 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.160 you're really going to be I'm putting words in this 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:38.360 individual's mouth owen. He says, if you're really gonna be 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.240 like getting down to the NAT's ass on all this stuff. 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:47.280 He said that Jesse should consider this pre is generally 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:54.720 a totally unnecessary prefix. Well, you preheat oven, you're just 0:09:54.840 --> 0:10:01.280 heating it. If you submit a pre proposal for a grant. 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:07.319 It's a proposal. Preseasoning would fall into the same category. 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:15.320 You're just seasoning it. That's all good point, unless, of course, 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.480 there's more seasoning that happens later. I could shoot a 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.120 thousand holes in what this guy is saying. I don't 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.040 even agree with this. Then it's like your seasoning, your 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:25.440 seasoning again, and then you're seasoning again. I don't agree 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.480 with them. I don't agree with them at all. We 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:32.319 had this conversation today about refried beans, like they're fried 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.520 beans m And I was like, no, because you keep 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.920 reheating them, and that's like reframing, Like that's not what 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:43.480 they mean. No, they're just fried beans. So I think 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:47.600 that preheating is that you're it's like you're heating it. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:53.199 Pre cook pre seasoning would be most people, Like most 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:57.840 of my life, you'd have cooked a steak then put 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.640 seasoning on it. But now days you put it on 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.160 there and let's sit there for an hour to integrate. 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.079 So you're like, you know, I get I get, I 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:09.400 get where he's coming from, but I just want to 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.960 share that another good bit of feedback. Uh, this guy 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.920 was just pointing out a thing that's pretty interesting. I 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.320 recently heard Steve recount a story about a twenty dollar 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.880 squirrel dog by recently. He means he was listening to 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:27.959 an old episode, but I remember what he's talking about. 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.840 A squirrel dog sold for twenty dollars, and we thought 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:34.800 that was worth mentioning. Um. He says. It reminded me 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:39.839 of an FBI sting operation called Operation Get This Big 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:46.280 Coon Dog. You google it and it checks out Operation 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.600 Big Coon Dog. He says, I used to live in 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:55.240 a small coal town called Grundy, Virginia. Grundy is basically 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.959 two extremely tight valleys with rivers running through it. It 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:04.760 would be them due to topography. Grundy floods regularly, and 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:08.600 sometimes it's biblical. One of these epic flood events happened 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.200 about twenty years ago. FEMA came in and declared the 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:15.720 area disaster, and the FEDS provided millions of dollars for cleanup. Somehow, 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:19.520 the local politicians got FEMA to allow elected fish officials 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.360 to divvy up the money to local contractors for the 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:26.440 clean up. The problem is that the politicians took bribes 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:33.880 for the contracts. No, the first time that ever happened. Hey, 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:35.640 that that's a I was, you know, what's funny about 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:39.320 this is that the thing right now, um Zelenski in 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:44.240 Ukraine just dismissed a lot of senior officials for playing 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.199 a similar game with all the aid flooding into Ukraine. 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.160 I don't know if they're doing it for coon dogs. 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:54.280 But so here's how the FBI caught wind of it. 0:12:56.240 --> 0:13:03.880 A guy that didn't normally win coon hunting tournaments starts 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.360 winning a lot of coon hunting tournaments. And he's a politician. 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:11.360 He's a politician, and he just comes out of the blue, 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.720 all of a sudden, he's got some sweet coon dogs 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:21.000 and starts cleaning up on raccoons. Okay, they reported that 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.360 it was suspicious the timing of him getting these high 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:28.120 test coon dogs, and it wound up that this individual 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:32.480 took as a bribe a forty thousand bucks and coon dogs. 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.560 They wound up, the FBI wound up busting him in 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:40.200 several other individuals for this graft. Then he goes on 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.160 to say Grundy has flooded several times since and FEMA 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:47.199 has denied them relief based on the local government's antics 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:53.199 during Operation Big Coon. That doesn't seem fair to the people. 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.319 Some people did prison time for this. Yeah, well I 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:59.320 don't believe. I don't know that I believe that part. Like, 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:01.320 I don't think that they would be like you'd have 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:06.520 a guy commit fraud or you know, take accept the 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.800 bribe so bad that he goes to jail and your 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.800 town floods again, and Feme was like, not this time, 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:14.959 fool me once, Shame on you. Like I just I 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.120 don't know, I believe everything else, he says. Wikipedia page 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:24.440 says sixteen people we're convicted of criminal charges. But what's 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:29.480 messed up is that some of those people that it said, well, 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:31.840 he says in his letter that after they went to prison, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:39.240 they were reelected the most global community at him that 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:43.200 that feels American. The bribes feel American, just not distinctly American. 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:47.240 It feels human fem of being like next time you're 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:53.600 on your own, buddy. I don't know. I don't know. Um, 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.400 this one's interesting. I'm not gonna get into it. Well, 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.920 I'm not gonna get into his landowners will cover this 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:03.360 more because we circle background of this landowners winning a 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:09.160 suit about trespassing deer dogs. You see where this is going, 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:12.720 Like guys go hunt with their deer dogs and like 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.040 a strategy, and this, this is always, This is always 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.080 if I was a high if I was a dear 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:21.880 dog hunter, I would be self policing because this winds 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:27.120 up being the number one grievance against people who hunt 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.920 deer with dogs where it's legal, is that you're basically 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.040 the a lot. I'm not saying everybody, it's a common 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.440 practice to be well, I know that I can't run 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:40.880 into that guy's property and chase the deer out, but 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.520 I'll wait on the edge and send my dogs in, 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:47.840 which is like, you know, that's like the number one 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:52.640 point of contention about it. They do. My friend dog 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.720 talks about it. Yeah, they're like, well I can't go on, 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:56.320 I can't go over there, but I mean we'll not 0:15:56.360 --> 0:16:00.280 just we'll stand on the edge and you can well 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:04.200 oh sorry, it happens. Yeah, unlegally you're allowed to go 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.480 retrieve your dogs once they've gone on to that problem. Yeah, 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.360 that's one of them gray areas kind of kind of 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:16.360 abused things. So as we're covering a later episode with 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:20.240 a lot of detail, um, this these landowners one of 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.360 things saying like yeah, man, you can't you can't use 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.560 your dogs to spook to send them in and spook 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.360 the game off our property. It's kind of like you 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:34.680 being there. But we'll cover that later. Carmen, you ready, Okay, 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.320 tell people what's going on? Uh? Do you want me 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:39.800 to back up a little bit and just talk about 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:43.760 the project all the way up? All? Right? Well? Uh? So? 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.440 Soll what you do for a living, I'm a wildlife biologist. 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:51.800 I've been UM working in the field for I guess 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.960 or twenty years almost now, UM and about a year 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.600 a little over a year ago, a couple of colleagues 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.520 of my and I started our own wildlife research nonprofit 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:08.240 and one of our our bigger projects that we're really 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:12.280 diving into now is looking at links and wildfire in 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.520 the North Cascades of Washington. So in the North Cascades 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.960 of Washington, we've got what's an endangered population of links. 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.199 Listen is threatened elsewhere in the lower forty eight, but 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:26.879 in Washington they're listed as endangered. And that's in large 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:32.080 part because of UM, this just blow up of wildfires 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.639 that we've had in the past fifteen to twenty years. 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:42.679 So during that time, because of about a hundred hundred 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:46.920 fifty years of fire suppression UM in all over in 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.040 the West, but you know, we're focusing on the North Cascades. 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:55.000 Has allowed a build up of fuels on the landscape 0:17:55.160 --> 0:18:00.200 basically and what what used to be regulated just by 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:06.520 nature with uh frequent spotty, really pyro diverse, meaning burns 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.679 that um that burned with a lot of textures. So 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:14.000 they're they're skipping little places there, burning really hot in 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:18.479 some places, they're reburning some other places. They're burning at 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.600 a lower intensity in some places, meaning they're leaving behind 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:25.600 trees with live crown, but they're consuming understory. So these 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.480 these more historic fires that would just sort of uh 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:32.720 spot off every summer and break up the landscape, we're 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.920 really important for a couple of reasons. One, they created 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:41.120 this just incredible patchwork of really rich, diverse habitat out 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:45.080 there in the North Cascades. But they also created a 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:50.000 sort of a um self feedback loop wherein the fires 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:53.840 that were happening one year, we're sort of um dampening 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:57.560 the effects of future subsequent fires because they're sort of 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:02.320 by fire creating natural fire breaks on the lamps. So 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:06.359 you had you had more of a mosaic, continuous mosaic 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:11.560 of fire activity rather than like what exactly. Yes, that's 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:15.000 the perfect noise to describe it. So so keep that 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:18.440 in mind. That's the historic fire regime that we used 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:22.280 to have. That's also the historic landscape, this patchy mosaic 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:26.520 that links in the North Cascades evolved in Okay. So 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:30.160 fast forward in time. Now we've got a hundred fifty 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:33.720 years of fire suppression, so putting out all those fires 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:36.959 that would have naturally started from lightning and things every summer, 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.120 and you know, doing it with good intention. We're trying 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.640 to save the forest. This sort of thing that allowed 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:47.600 our forests to basically um even out into a mono 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:52.680 crop of of trees, and and we lost that um 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:56.679 not only diversity, um that mosaic of habitats, but we 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:00.000 lost that self feedback loop. So all of a sudden, 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:05.000 it's a continuous swath of tinder ready to go. And 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:11.040 so that landscape of um high fuels and continuous fuels 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:16.760 then meets hotter, drier, longer summers, and in the early 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:21.960 two thousands we start to have what we're calling mega fires, 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.000 which are fires that burn over a hundred thousand acres 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:27.639 um and we've had fires that are much bigger than that, 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:31.200 and they're just ripping through those forests, um cooking it 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:33.239 right down to the dirt, cooking it down to the 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:39.320 dirt with so trending towards um less pyrodiversity, so higher 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:43.840 severity overall. And so they're leaving behind these giant burn 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:49.760 scars of um highly high severity burn. So we're losing 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:53.600 not only texture because we're not just getting these smaller 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:57.960 spotty fires all over, but we're losing texture because these 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:01.119 giant fires that are coming through are doing so and 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.840 it just more evenly high severity. We're losing those little 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:08.879 fire skips. We're losing the sort of um just the 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.560 richness of a of a patchwork that would be left behind. 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:16.199 And so where links come into this is that in 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:18.560 the in the early two thousand's when we were starting 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.720 to learn about links habitat, which just as a little 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:28.080 sidebar is in a nutshell, links eat snowshoe hairs primarily, 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:33.120 that's most of their diet, snowshoe hairs. Uh live in 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:37.480 forests that have a high stem density. And what I 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:40.919 mean by that is they're they're living in thick forests 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:44.440 with stems branches that are low to the ground, offering 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:50.040 them food and shelter from from predators. Yeah, fresh growth 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:54.199 or or old growth where you've got that sort of 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:58.320 multilayered forests and big branches that reach down to the ground. 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:02.440 So when we are learning about links habitat in the 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:06.280 early two thousands, we're doing so against this backdrop of 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:10.359 what's been a really fire excluded landscape for hud hundred 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:14.520 fifty years. And so the palette of of links of 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:18.880 habitat that links have to choose from is mostly unburned, 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:22.160 a couple of little burns here and there. Now fast forward, 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:26.200 you know, fifteen years, and we've had these these mega 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:30.239 fires torching hundreds of thousands of acres a year, and 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:32.560 all of a sudden, most of our are are a 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:35.120 lot of our links habitat, most of our prime link 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:41.720 links habitat is mostly burned, very little unburned. And so 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:46.879 we needed to know yesterday, in my opinion, how links 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:51.359 are reacting to this completely different menu of of habitats 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:55.359 out there. Um In that's when they were uplisted to 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:58.640 endangered in the state because of these fires, because sort 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:02.840 of the rule of the um is that recent large 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:07.520 burns aren't hair habitat, aren't links habitat um. And so 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:10.720 with the uptick in these fires, naturally there's a lot 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:16.200 of concern um. So our research is going to start 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:20.399 uh picking apart and learning the ins and outs of 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:23.600 how they're using this this new really burned landscape and 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:26.680 they are using that. And we know that because we're 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.359 the field biologists and we've been out there for long 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:33.600 enough to see a change in the landscape and regenerating burns, 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:36.920 seeing the links go, seeing them come back, and starting 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:40.879 to notice patterns of um okay within say this, you know, 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:43.280 fifteen year old burn scar. There are places that they're 0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:48.240 starting to be able to use, places meaning um uh well, 0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:52.840 different different types of regenerating burned habitat because it's regenerating 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.600 uh with some texture that we would hope to see, 0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:59.880 like fire skips and places where whatever the growing conditions 0:23:59.880 --> 0:24:03.800 are allow thicker trees to be coming up. Um. And 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:07.359 that's really exciting to see. I was out there I 0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:10.320 guess six years ago now in the winter snowmobiling, just 0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:14.719 servying for for tracks with another local biologists, and we 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:20.159 saw very few snowshoe hair tracks and no links tracks. 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:23.760 Well last year, well, let's say a couple of years ago, 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:26.440 I started to notice more links tracks in this burnt scar. 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:29.919 Last year, we went out five times just to do 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:33.520 some pilot work and we marked i think fifty seven 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:36.920 sets of links tracks within that same burn that years 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:41.120 ago only had zero. So I'm not not that that's 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:44.199 fifty seven links, but that's a that's a lot of activity, 0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:48.600 and including we saw tracks from you know, a female 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:54.080 with kittens, females with kids, people came to eat exactly. Yeah, 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:56.680 the grocery store is coming back, and so that's really 0:24:56.680 --> 0:24:59.160 exciting and it tells me that we have this opportunity, 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:04.879 that really golden opportunity to learn what burned habitats Links 0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:08.439 can use. And that is important for conservation because if 0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:11.480 we know the best of the burned habitats that they 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:14.800 can use and the sort of the arrangement of those habitats, 0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:19.359 we can start getting in there to do forest treatments 0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:25.200 that will reinstate that historic patchwork, reinstate that negative feedback loop, 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:30.000 and try to get wrangle in these these mega fires, 0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:33.639 which is a win win for Links because uh, we're 0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:37.639 if we know what the best of the burnt habitats 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:41.440 they're using are, we can craft these forest treatment plans 0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:47.719 to not only be UM reducing fuels, but also you know, 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:51.239 leaving the right arrangements and amounts of burned habitat for 0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:57.119 links that are there today, and we're saving habitats so 0:25:57.200 --> 0:26:02.760 that moving forward, we're we're lessening the risk of these 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:07.080 huge mega fires coming in. I imagine that links aren't 0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:10.920 the only creators that benefit, that's right, That's yeah. That's 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:13.440 one of the things that really interests me in this 0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.480 research is that this isn't links tell a really good story. 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:19.760 They tell a story for a lot of the other 0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:23.640 um animals that live on that landscape, and they tell 0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:29.480 the story of our local fier ecology. UM. But this 0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:33.000 is more than just you know, trying to save our 0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:37.040 our links habitat and thus our links population, which that's important, 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:41.000 but it's also just about reining in these these mega 0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:43.400 fires to the benefit of the landscape, to the benefit 0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:46.800 of you know, our community which has just been you know, 0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:51.280 breathing piece soup for smoke in the summers. And so 0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:56.120 it's UM it's more than just trying to UM get 0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:59.440 a handle on links conservation, although that's that's very important, 0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:03.679 it's also just about restoring UM a more balanced fier 0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:18.600 ecology to our area. Yeah, so that's research. Yeah. To 0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:23.479 do all that research takes a lot and and it 0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:29.000 takes a lot of dedicated field work and UM that 0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:32.919 means time every day during our winter field seasons and 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:37.920 our summer field seasons out in the back country UM 0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:40.600 collecting data so that we can, you know, in a 0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:45.240 in a scientific framework, learn about their habitat selection. And 0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:49.840 so our two main data streams are one, we're ropping 0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:52.600 around on snowmobiles in the back country in the winter, 0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:58.160 deep snow environments, UM looking for tracks. When we find 0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:00.840 tracks from links, we jump off our lets, put on 0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:04.280 our snowshoes, and we start following them. And we're documenting 0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:09.560 not only their behavior whether they're hunting um or making 0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:12.480 a kill a snowcial hair kill, but we're also documenting 0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:17.639 their habitats that they're selecting. Because you guys know cats 0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:20.359 from from hunting and trapping, they're making a really fine 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:24.200 scale selection. You might see them UM opt to go 0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:28.600 you know, between two trees rather than around them, you know, 0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:32.160 to they like those little covery spots, and so they're 0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:36.880 making these really fine scale habitats selection choices as they're 0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:40.440 moving around to optimize their chance of finding food, and 0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:44.360 so we can buy backtracking them, document that really fine 0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:49.400 scale habitat selection um and start learning like, Okay, they 0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:52.760 like a little fire skip and they like that fire skip, 0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:56.960 especially if it's surrounded by you know, low intensity burn 0:28:57.160 --> 0:29:00.480 and along a you know, a stream court or do 0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:04.320 you guys always backtracking not forward track. We backtracked because 0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:08.000 exactly we don't want to be influencing their behavior because 0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:13.880 they don't Yeah, they don't move all that far during 0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:16.600 the day. Estimates range from like you know, one to 0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:20.400 maybe eight kilometers a day, So it's it's if you're 0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:23.280 on a fresh track, you could easily you know, be 0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:26.160 bumping them. So we always where he wants to be. Yeah, 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:28.520 when you find one where they've killed a snowsh your 0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:30.040 hair is just a little bit of blood on snow. 0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:34.520 It's typically maybe a little bit of blood a piece 0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:36.960 of the hide from their back and you can often 0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:42.320 see like, um, the hemorrhaging around the puncture wounds there, um, 0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:46.760 and then maybe a foot and some guts. Oh no, 0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:48.480 I mean, have you ever seen like a house cat 0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:50.920 And they'll bring in um guts in the head of 0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:53.960 a mouse or whatever. They'll eat the head though. They'll 0:29:54.000 --> 0:30:00.240 eat the head, yeah, nobody wants that. Like chewed up twigs, Yeah, 0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:06.160 I got you. Stomach content, stomach contents yeah yeah, yeah, 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:09.880 anything left on and uh, you used to feed the 0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:13.160 dogs beaver. The only thing they don't eat is the 0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:15.240 contents of the guts. They'll even eat the gut if 0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:17.200 they get really hugger, but just say a ball or 0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:20.040 chewed up sawdas, they don't want to. Yeah, but they'll 0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:23.000 eat everything else. Yeah. Cats are pretty particular about that. 0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:25.400 If you go to a cougar kill or a bobcat kill, 0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:30.920 one of the first things they'll often do is pluck that, um, 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:32.960 you know, the room and contents the room and out 0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:35.560 and sort of set that aside. They don't they don't 0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:38.000 want that, do They go after internal organs right away. 0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:42.560 That's one of the first things. Yeah, yeah, liver, the heart, 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.560 all of that, and that's that's a really nutritious And 0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:48.920 so you can actually sort of age, um, well, if 0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:51.880 you're doing like a kill site investigation, you can tell 0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:55.240 what I don't I don't think there's any official name 0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:57.360 for it, but I call it an early carcass scat, 0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:03.040 And so it's the ship basically from their first feeding 0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:06.160 and when they're eating just pure organs and just a 0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:12.240 little and muscle um, they're scat is like black and 0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:16.200 tari and um. Anyway, so you can tell that was 0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:18.080 an early carcass s cat. So if I'm going to 0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:19.800 a kill site for work and I see an early 0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.440 carcass cat, I start to get excited because it means 0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:24.200 there might be a kill there and then a late 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:27.240 carcass I'm guessing would be a lot more former hair, 0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:30.160 a lot more just bone fragments. Yeah, exactly. And with 0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:34.360 wolves it's pretty cool because the breeder male and female, 0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:37.160 they'll get pick of the carcass, and so they're the 0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:39.560 ones eating those organs, and so you can somewhat tell 0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:42.520 if it's an early carcass scat. You you've got a 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:45.080 pretty good idea that if the whole pack was there, 0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:48.880 that that was probably one of the breeders. A little 0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:52.080 tracking info, that's great. So heavy with the second day 0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:55.760 to stream, Okay, the second day to stream is catching him, 0:31:55.840 --> 0:32:00.360 that's right, yep. So um, so the backtrack king is 0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:05.760 really great. Um, fine scale habitat selection. You're learning cool 0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:09.240 things about your animal and their behavior. I think it's 0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:13.400 just a great way for biologists to stay grounded and 0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:16.720 what's happening out there in the field. You're learning your animal, 0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:21.240 you're seeing patterns. Um. I just yeah, I believe in 0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:23.920 it from from that stance as well as it just 0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:28.640 being great data. But it's super labor intensive data, um, 0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:30.800 and so you're you're only gathering so much of it. 0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:35.000 So a wonderful way to complement that is with GPS 0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:39.719 caller data. That's that's going to give us, you know, 0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:42.800 provided we can catch cats, that's going to give us 0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:45.520 tons of data and be sort of the meat and 0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:48.880 potatoes um of a lot of our analysis to tell 0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:52.160 what they're doing in the summertime exactly. Yeah. And you're 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:55.400 just getting thousands of data points. And the way we've 0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:59.600 got our our callers programmed is that they'll be taking 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:04.120 uh location every thirty minutes, so it it's set in 0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:07.800 itself is pretty fine scale data as well. We're we're 0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:10.920 gonna be able to learn a lot um And so 0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:16.200 getting callers out of course means trapping cats and so um. 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:18.760 That's that's one of my favorite things to do, is 0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:22.600 is trapping UM. So I'm pretty excited to start doing that. 0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:25.320 Which we'll be opening traps in a couple of days. Here, 0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:28.400 we're just waiting for our callers to arrive. But you 0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:35.120 guys need your nonprofit. You guys need snowmobiles, you need traps. 0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:42.640 We've got traps. We you explain it, Okay. So all 0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:45.960 this work that I'm talking about, the backtracking and the trapping, 0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:48.840 takes place in winter. And so for us to get 0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:52.200 out there, we're Lynx Country is where we are. It's 0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:55.680 high in elevation, it's pretty rugged. In fact, there's areas 0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:58.520 of Lynx Country where we are that's pass or it's 0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:01.760 it's wilderness. We can't we get there in the winter, 0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:05.160 and so it's it's tough to access. It's just tough 0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:08.879 to be out there. And so really the crux and 0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:11.760 the weakest link of our research and getting it done 0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:14.680 is our snowmobiles. We have no way of collecting any 0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:19.520 of this data without snowmobiles. We got old as machines. 0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:22.200 We are writing some old as machines, and I am 0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:27.000 so grateful for these machines. We've had four machines donated 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.880 to us, and that is awesome, and that's made it possible. 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:34.120 Um three of those machines are about twenty five years old, 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:38.760 and so with us writing those every single day, and um, 0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:41.719 you know, probably have more people on the sled than 0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:46.320 the sled would like we're towing trailers this sort of thing. Um, 0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:48.440 they have a rough life on top of the twenty 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:52.439 five years they've already lived. And so um we got 0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:57.320 people at age that work here and they're useless. I 0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:02.880 think he did. It's not even actually true. Funny jokes. 0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:11.359 I trying to buy that one back. He's remember that 0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:17.720 thing about the young people like joking. I'm joking machines 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:21.120 you hit the limit. Yeah, yeah, they're not gonna last us. 0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:23.880 And even one of them breaking down just puts a huge, 0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:27.319 you know crank in our day. We can't get people 0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:32.720 out there, and so we are trying to hustle really 0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:36.320 hard to raise some money to be able to buy 0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:41.880 one or two. Um used, we used, but hopefully not 0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:45.000 twenty five year old machines. We're hoping we can find 0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.600 something in the tender fifteen year old range where you 0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:50.640 break down in the middle of nowhere, someone could literally 0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:56.840 save your life by getting you slide. I like that, man, Yes, 0:35:57.120 --> 0:36:09.960 save our lives. Donate Never hear her again on the podcast. No, 0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:13.080 I my the crew that we've got this year is 0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:17.560 UM an incredible group. They have got a lot of skill. 0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:19.920 They know what to do if they break out or 0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:24.000 if they break down out there, which is either well, okay, 0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:29.320 we've got in reaches so they can contact needs to 0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:34.480 seem very desperate. Here's what it can mean. Uh, if 0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:37.120 you're in reach isn't working, it can mean that you're 0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:39.880 you know, thirty miles out in the back country in 0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:49.160 freezing snowy part you're eating your work partners and eventually issues. Yeah. Yeah, 0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:53.080 I don't even want to think about that. So anyway, 0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:56.640 the point is is that this is I've got great people, 0:36:57.160 --> 0:37:02.520 We've got great opportunity for for gathering this data. But 0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:05.879 it all comes back to the snowmobiles. So lay out 0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:08.040 how people can be of help. This is where things 0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:12.080 get interesting. Yeah. So here's what we've schemed up UM. So, 0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.680 like I said, we're trying to raise money to get 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:17.120 snowmobiles so we can do this work. And our plan 0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:23.759 is UM a campaign we're calling trap Cat and if 0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:29.520 folks donate hundred bucks, they're basically sponsoring a trap set. 0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:34.080 So we have UM We've got thirty traps that we've built, 0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:37.080 and we've got another twelve that we're borrowing from another project. 0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:41.200 So we've got forty two traps. And the thing you've 0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:44.440 got to keep in mind is that these traps UM 0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:48.840 will be continuously resetting, UM rearranging, and every time you 0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:52.000 do that, it's a different set. And so if if 0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:55.120 UM folks donate hundred bucks, you get one of those 0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:57.960 sets basically in your name. And how long is it set? 0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:00.279 How long you'll leave a set out? It depend ends 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:02.400 if it's a good set that we like, could be 0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:06.400 out there all season, which are seasons running now through March, 0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:09.440 or you could have a month long set. You can 0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:11.120 have a months long set, or you make a set 0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:13.719 and then also in some skier or something's dicking with 0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:15.759 it and you gotta move it, and then that sets over. Yeah, 0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:18.759 or a skunk is stra orient every day, or a 0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:21.719 gray j or whatever, or we just decide we don't 0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:24.440 like it for whatever reason, then we'll move it and 0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:27.160 so then it becomes a new set. It's just like trapping, 0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:32.520 same thing. Yeah, I mean that's yeah, you got a 0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:36.080 dead when you move it, Yeah, exactly, exact Start catching 0:38:36.080 --> 0:38:40.520 possums you move it. Yep. So, um, so we could 0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:44.920 have countless numbers of sets this season. Yeah, okay, So 0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:48.960 if you donate, first of all, we'll be sending out 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.560 season updates and just pictures and footage of what we're 0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.680 doing out there, so you'll get access to that. And 0:38:55.719 --> 0:39:01.560 then if you're set catches the links, then you win. 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:06.520 You're a winner. You win. That's a winning moment for you. 0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:10.400 And so do they get the name the cat? We 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:14.879 thought about that. Um, well, this podcast has talked about 0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:17.759 naming animalst quite a bit, and we decided to just 0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:22.879 avoid that. I yeah, so we're gonna give us some number. Well, 0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:25.760 I mean it'll get an ear tag and so official 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:29.799 it'll have a sort of its official ear tag number. Uh. 0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:35.200 You know, often internally will have names for cats just 0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:37.359 because who's going to remember the number. And so if 0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:40.240 you've got the one anyway, it just makes it simpler 0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:42.760 to have a name. But the winner is not getting 0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:48.560 naming privileges. The winner is going to get fame and glory. Um, 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:52.400 so we'll we'll announced you as a winner, and Steve 0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:57.319 has also offered to announce the winner on social media. Well, 0:39:57.320 --> 0:39:58.960 an now the winner on my social media and how 0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:01.600 many winners might there be how cats trying to get well, 0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:06.520 we've got so in our I don't know how many 0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:09.400 cats we've got in our study area. But here's the 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:12.840 thing about research trapping, and especially for an endangered species, 0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:15.279 there's not that many out there, and it makes the 0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:20.880 trapping really, really tough. Um. It's one thing to be, 0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:23.480 you know, trapping links in the core of their range 0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:27.760 and at a population peak where you've got multiple cats 0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:30.759 passing your traps and doing so very often. That gives 0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:36.000 you a lot of opportunities. We might have an opportunity 0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:39.279 once a week, once every two weeks, just because there's 0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:42.480 the density of cats is so low. There's not that 0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:45.359 many there, So fill but fill in this for me. Yeah, 0:40:45.760 --> 0:40:51.879 I Carmen van Bianchi, would be disappointed if I got 0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:58.560 collars on less than unless this year. If we got 0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:01.800 less than one, I would be disappointed. I'll be happy 0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:06.040 if we catch one. I'll be ecstatic if we catch four. Okay, 0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:07.759 that was the second thing I was gonna have you like, 0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:12.160 and that would be surprised if we got more than four. 0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:20.320 Working your asses off with the goal of getting the 0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:25.920 collar on maybe one to four. Yea one if one, 0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:28.839 you'd be you'd count yourself like good to get one. 0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:32.000 Four would be great, four would be great. We've got 0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:35.440 um multiple years of this project and as as the 0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:37.959 first year, it's always more, you know, just your figuring 0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:41.919 out logistics. You're you know, you always learn a lot 0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:44.920 in your in your first year. Um. But just to 0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:48.080 give me an idea, I've I have links trapped in 0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:51.319 the North Cascades before it took us two seasons to 0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:57.360 catch five cats, five unique length. Whereas I've trapped in 0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:02.440 in Maine and we caught I think eleven new captures 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:05.200 in two months. So so much of that just depends 0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:08.680 on your on your density. So this is roughing it 0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:11.160 a slog and you're going to use the money. Sorry, 0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:13.600 sorry ahead, Well, I just gotta float it out there. 0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:19.359 There's trapping. There's another way to catch cats. Yeah, once 0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:22.160 you have once you have Yanni hound dog, Yeah that 0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:26.879 um could be well, a couple of things we know 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:30.560 how to trap. Um. I don't know of any local 0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:33.360 hound hunters. Give you a lot of reasons why you 0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:36.359 don't want to do this. There's also links are because 0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:38.080 you're gonna have one if the dogs mix it up 0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:40.440 with the links the links that they don't they're not 0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:45.120 as my understanding, and I've never chase links with a dog, 0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:46.640 but I've heard from people they don't want to go 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:49.120 into the tree. Well we're in a burned area, remember, 0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:51.080 so there's not a whole lot of trees that link 0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:55.160 mingus all of a sudden becomes the you know, he 0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:58.160 makes like the FBI's most wanted lists for having killed 0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:01.960 some links. Yeah, it's just we've got a very high 0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:06.280 bar for for what we're willing to put this endangered 0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:10.479 species through we need. Yeah, and it's been floated, it's 0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:14.319 you know, but it's just um, well just looking at 0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:17.319 you know, versus putting out forty two traps. If you 0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:20.439 cut a track and you put dogs on that one 0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:24.920 track and thing. No, but you're right, I mean it 0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:29.319 would be more efficient. Yeah, keep in mind keeping come out, 0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:32.759 nobody raising money to send Yanni out there. There we go. 0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:37.160 But you're you're going to use the money from the program. 0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:40.840 You're gonna use the sponsorship money to take care of 0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:44.680 the snow bill problem. So someone could either just take 0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:46.920 care of the snow and bill problem and then you 0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:49.359 can use the money for something else. But but so 0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:51.360 do that But the other thing is you gotta do 0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:53.040 the sponsorship. Now, let me tell what I'm gonna do. 0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:55.960 I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna sponsor a set for 0:43:56.000 --> 0:44:00.040 each of my three children. All right, Okay, that's a 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:01.479 good way. That's a good thing to do for people 0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:03.480 to have children on a sponsor a set for each 0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:05.319 of my three children. But how will they know when 0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:07.359 their set has been made? And how will they know 0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:10.240 what happened? Yeah, good questions. So we'll send a picture 0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:12.960 of the set. We'll send you a picture of your set, 0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:17.800 and then we'll also because we'll have your email, um, 0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:19.960 and then like I said, we'll be sending updates like 0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:23.480 if you're getting by catch that sort of thing, um, 0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:26.759 and just you know, videos and just footage of us 0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:30.040 out there being trappers. And you have the capacity to 0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:36.040 do all this additional reporting and work barely. But I mean, 0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:39.440 it's all everything that we're doing. We are running ragging. 0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:43.640 We're just Yeah, you got volunteers. So we've got let's see, 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:47.080 so there's three of us uh staff for Home Range 0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:51.240 Wildlife Research. That's our our nonprofit. I've hired two field 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:54.880 bios and then we have some really great local trackers 0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:58.520 that are volunteering to help us with the backtracking portion. Yeah, 0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:01.239 are you looking for more volunteers? Is that filled up? 0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:04.120 We're filled up. It also takes quite a bit of training, 0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:07.319 so we did a big training all at once a 0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:10.280 couple of weeks ago. Um, so for this season, Yeah, 0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:13.120 where we need people to just be ready to go. So, 0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:15.120 so how do people go sponsor the trap? Is this 0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:17.360 going on right? Like, you're ready to roll right now? 0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:21.359 So we're opening traps on Friday, that's the day our 0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:23.720 callers are supposed to get there. So right now there's 0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:26.680 a couple of folks out in the field getting traps 0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:31.120 out there. Um. My strategy was, let's get traps out 0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:35.880 there and in place. No bait, no I catch. Um. 0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:37.759 In fact, I'm sort of hoping they're not going to 0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:40.880 be noticed until we open them. I don't want to 0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:45.000 lose much of the element of surprise. We're gonna open 0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:46.839 the doors, We're gonna bait them, We're gonna put out 0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:50.160 feathers and the snow your hair. No, we're just using 0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:53.479 road killed deer. Yeah, and then some loures, some beaver 0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:57.480 caster and things like that. But how do people go 0:45:57.560 --> 0:46:01.080 do it? Website. Yeah, we've got a landing pay age. Yea. 0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:06.120 So it's home range dot org home range dot org yep, 0:46:06.440 --> 0:46:10.440 slash trap a cat and you're ready to take business. 0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:14.840 We're ready as Yeah, when this drops, we will be alright. 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:18.440 I'll do three of them. Awesome. Thanks, But listeners need 0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:20.279 to jump in and it just send him some just 0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:22.800 send him some snowbills man. Yeah, is there a way 0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:25.040 too that Let's just say you don't you're not even 0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:28.160 interested in setting a set that you can just can 0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:30.640 you just go to the landing page and just send 0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:35.040 a hunter box? Yeah, that's an option there. Yeah. I 0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:42.799 mean we've got donate but no, you're a trapper. I'm 0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:47.720 a trapper, not a giver. I want my set um. 0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:50.600 But this is all the solved snow bill problem. Yep, exactly. 0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:53.759 I feel like some I feel like there's such a 0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:57.560 good chance it's some snowbill outfit. It's gonna it's gonna 0:46:58.040 --> 0:47:01.840 help you out. I mean, that would be an incredible machine, 0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:04.799 the dream machine, be honest, and I were just talking 0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:12.680 about is it cut that out? Philm machine? You can 0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:16.240 leave in us talking about make it the dream machine? 0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:19.319 Is any machine leave us talking about how we cut it, 0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:22.200 but beep out what she said because she is. It's like, 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:24.960 don't do that, man, I'm not going to turn down 0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:29.520 an arctic cut. All that be all at out beat 0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:34.440 the words out. Beggars can't be choosers. Exactly. You need 0:47:34.480 --> 0:47:39.840 snow meals. If someone gives Carmen the snowmobiles, I will 0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:42.520 the same way. I'm going to announce the winners. If 0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:46.160 someone gives Carmen it's not because someone gives Home Range 0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:49.600 snow meals, then I'll do the We'll do the social 0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:56.080 media post thanking them for the snowbal There we go. Yeah, okay, beverage. Good. 0:47:56.560 --> 0:48:01.920 Tell the website again. Home range dot org, slash trap 0:48:01.960 --> 0:48:07.840 a cat and dashes trap dash dash cat home Range, 0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:11.480 home Range like an animal's home range dot org ye 0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:21.960 slash trap dash a dash cat not links. Nope, doesn't 0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:25.360 have the same I don't know, probably not. Now listen, 0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:31.720 let's not complicate things necessary, all right. I hope people 0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:37.760 dig in and help. Yeah, I will be announcing the winners. Yep. Yeah, 0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:40.239 Oh you know what we'll do? Can I kind of 0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:48.200 sweeten the pot? We'll send um, We'll send a I'm 0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:50.200 trying to think what we'll do. We'll send a great 0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:54.279 first light kit to the winners. Oh I don't, I'm 0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:59.160 gonna need to. So if my set traps the links, 0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:04.160 we'll send a great We'll send a great cold weather accessory, 0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:08.240 will send like cold weather, like heavy duty down right, 0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:13.080 because it's wintertime. We'll send a cold weather kit like 0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:17.920 Bibbs jacket, super hat, Mitts. That's better than a lottery, 0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:21.280 So I'll announce it and then we'll send a cold 0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:26.279 weather kit to winters. That's amazing. You're gonna make me 0:49:26.320 --> 0:49:33.280 get my wallet on. Yeah, thank you, And to anybody 0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:36.560 that does donate, thank you. Well we'll stay on it. Man, 0:49:36.600 --> 0:49:38.520 We're gonna get it. I think. I hope we'll get 0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:43.040 to take care of Thank you. That would be great. Um. 0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:45.480 And then I got one last question for you. The collars. 0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:48.480 How long do they work for? Well, that's the thing 0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:51.759 with callers is it's always you're trying to balance the 0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:55.880 battery life, the weight of the caller, and your data collection. 0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:58.840 So the more intensive the data collection, the fact of 0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:03.360 the battery in it out. So we've we've rigged it 0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:07.600 up so that every other month they're collecting this thirty 0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:11.640 minute data. Every three days, and by doing that, we've 0:50:11.640 --> 0:50:15.320 made it so that our colors will last around the 0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:18.960 calendar year from when the call was placed. So you 0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:21.279 get a year and does that thing fall off in 0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:23.719 the end, So there's a couple of different mechanisms you 0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:25.480 can use, but yes it does. We wanted to fall 0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:27.719 off because we don't want to saddle and links with 0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:29.239 you know, a caller for the rest of it. Can 0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:31.680 you find it? Yeah, it's got a little death signal 0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:35.120 or whatever. Yep, it's got a death signal. We cause 0:50:35.160 --> 0:50:37.759 it a mortality signal. But yeah, so if the cat dies, 0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:40.640 we'll know we can go out there and investigate what happens. Man, 0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:42.960 that would be that would be a great giveaway item. 0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:44.920 If you want to dig real into this, let's picture 0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:49.520 this the uh you get a you get a mortality 0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:52.960 signal that someone can come along with you to go 0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:56.080 find out what happened to the thing or just get 0:50:56.120 --> 0:51:00.319 the collar. Yeah, those are always fascinating field. I would 0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:01.920 be so excited if I woke up one day and 0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:04.359 we're going to check out a mortality signal on the lynks, 0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:06.600 I'd be very excited. What kind of price are we 0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:10.520 talking on a collar? It's gotta be not free. No no, um, 0:51:10.560 --> 0:51:13.520 when it's all done well, So the so the let 0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:15.880 me just explain how they fall off because that affects 0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:19.160 the price. But basically, you can get a a cotton 0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:22.600 spacer that will eventually just sort of rot off, um 0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:26.319 and that anyway, there's so that's one option. Uh. And 0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:29.360 then you could also get a collar with a blowoff device. 0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:33.200 And so that's a programmable little piece of equipment that 0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:43.279 exactly a tiny explosion kills the cat. We no, yeah, 0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:45.520 it just makes the bolts separate and so the collar 0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:47.719 falls off. So that's that's nice because you know when 0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:49.440 it's gonna happen, you can plan for it. You know 0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:52.480 it's not going to happen too early before your data 0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:55.440 collection has done. That's that's the expensive option. That's the 0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:58.120 expensive option. Yeah. So if you're getting a drop off, 0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:03.439 um about I want to say, like six hundred people 0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:05.799 could buy those for you. Two couldn't they? Yeah? Oh man, 0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:08.879 the more calls. So we only have four callers right now. 0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:11.959 So that's why i'd be really happy forgot for kids 0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.640 like seven cats. You're gonna go now what oh man, 0:52:14.760 --> 0:52:17.840 if some miracle happened and you know in three weeks, 0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:20.399 We've almost you know, caught two or three or something. 0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:22.520 I'm going to be pretty disappointed we don't have more 0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:26.400 but miracle days on the line last year. That's what 0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:29.560 I'm hoping for. That's what I'm hoping for. And I 0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:33.280 also just need to point out that we're really grateful 0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:39.319 to our grand tours, the Paul g Allen Family Foundation. Well, 0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:41.640 thanks for coming out and explaining it. Thanks for having me. 0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:44.319 This is um. Yeah, I told come on any time 0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:47.400 you want talk about what, talk about your needs and wants. 0:52:48.719 --> 0:53:00.279 It's great that all right, you guys ready to dig 0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:03.560 in out of the woodyard. In the woodyard. Happened in 0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:08.440 the woodyard was the start? Yeah, I got a pre 0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:13.960 pre question here, take it away. Did you get that? 0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:23.640 You didn't even giggle at me? Or pre question? How 0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:27.600 did you find out about in the woodyard a beaver trapper? 0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:37.280 So you have an emerging threat to your whole inner propetition. Listen, 0:53:37.480 --> 0:53:41.600 I'm gonna tell you the dude's name. Tell his last name. 0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:45.520 He's even pitched to me. He's even pitched to me. 0:53:45.920 --> 0:53:50.080 Guy named Jared. I can tell his last name is 0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:55.239 in your state. No, he's not or is he. It's 0:53:55.239 --> 0:53:57.160 confusing because he works in one lives in the other. 0:53:57.239 --> 0:53:59.440 Either way, his name is Jared. He turned me on 0:53:59.600 --> 0:54:04.680 you guys a long time ago, a year ago, um, 0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:08.440 and he was recently pitching me on how he is 0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:14.360 going up to work here area a chance. Oh. I 0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:17.680 thought it was just like in the YouTube realm competition. 0:54:20.160 --> 0:54:22.240 I told Chris, I said, you know, you just showed 0:54:22.280 --> 0:54:25.000 the guardrail, you showed the sign. I said, everybody knows 0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:28.239 this spot, you know, like, come on, I gotta be 0:54:28.280 --> 0:54:32.680 a little more where you point that camera. Got I 0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:35.400 got people I know that live within a mile of 0:54:35.440 --> 0:54:38.360 me that they know half of the spots that we go. There. 0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:40.239 You were here, and you were there and you made 0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:43.520 that set. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, he's not like 0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:47.960 I think it's fair to it's I think it's safe 0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:49.960 to say. And I haven't really explored this fully with him. 0:54:49.960 --> 0:54:51.839 I think it's safe to say that he was kind 0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:56.080 of throwing it to me, like coincidentally, it's where the 0:54:56.120 --> 0:55:01.920 guys that he turned me on to go. But that's 0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:03.400 how I found out about you guys. That's what you 0:55:03.440 --> 0:55:05.880 wanted to ask a pre question. So he turned me 0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:08.640 on and I will and I wasn't even aware of 0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:10.719 I was wondering, why the hell is called out of 0:55:10.719 --> 0:55:13.959 the woodyards. I didn't know about in the woodyard. Yeah, 0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:16.600 I just basically separated them because whenever I would do 0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:20.759 wildlife things on my woodyard channel, YouTube didn't know what 0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:23.839 to do with it because it's not firewood is not chainsaws, 0:55:23.880 --> 0:55:28.600 it's not the same thing, is not the same audience. Well, 0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:30.839 not that. What happens is I would have a video, 0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:33.120 say it gets thirty thousand views in the first twenty 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:36.560 four hours on a wood something fire would related whatever 0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:38.880 it is. The next day I would have a hunting 0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:41.439 or trapping or fishing, and my views go right down 0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:45.399 to twelve fifteen, seventeen thousand because YouTube doesn't know who 0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:48.240 to show it to. So you your base seventeen thousand. 0:55:48.320 --> 0:55:52.480 Whatever you're getting is your true believers, the coolie drinkers, 0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:54.759 that's what I call them. Yeah, they'll watch anything you 0:55:54.840 --> 0:56:01.120 do and bye bye. Basically separating it, my numbers stay 0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:04.560 more consistent, and YouTube knows my audience and knows what 0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:07.880 to do with it. And there's a bigger audience for 0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:11.680 wood shopping. No, what's the audience I've developed? So they 0:56:11.719 --> 0:56:15.640 know that audience. So yeah, there's there's way more people 0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:19.640 that do firewood and trap. And then especially when you 0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:22.759 narrow it down to beaver trapping, which is even a 0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:26.680 smaller group, niching down your content is is the way 0:56:26.719 --> 0:56:30.520 to success on YouTube or most social media. I think, hmm, 0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:34.839 if you really want to do really well and if 0:56:34.840 --> 0:56:37.960 you generalize, you know there's gonna be things that a 0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:41.319 lot of people won't be interested in. So why aren't 0:56:41.320 --> 0:56:45.680 we through the give me the background the wood shopping? Well, 0:56:45.719 --> 0:56:47.719 I gotta I was in the wood shopping business for 0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:51.680 a while, kind of sort of how do you guys 0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:54.879 get into it? We've always we grew up hitting with wood. 0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:57.399 We've been cutting seven years old, since we could swing 0:56:57.480 --> 0:57:00.160 the mall. I think we couldn't even swing the mall. 0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:02.120 And our dad was a railroad worker. He was an 0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:05.680 engineer spike. He could spike railroad spikes. I mean actually 0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:07.640 the first mall we had, he had a railroad I 0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:10.200 don't know, like that big and it's a big long 0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:12.880 head for driving railroad spikes. And it's only that big, 0:57:13.040 --> 0:57:17.560 and it's that's a hard thing to master. I don't 0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:21.760 freak got it free from work, So spikes with a long, 0:57:21.800 --> 0:57:26.720 skinny mall no, yes, no, yes, well rail road spikes 0:57:26.760 --> 0:57:28.600 or whatever kind of wedge he could find that they're 0:57:28.600 --> 0:57:30.640 still in one piece, because you've got to realize you're 0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:33.240 driving that spike in the next to that track. You 0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:35.600 don't want to hit the track because oh that's why 0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:38.120 that's got to be just a little bit tiny bigger 0:57:38.160 --> 0:57:41.160 than And if you can hit with that, you can hit. 0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:42.840 If you can hit, yeah, if you can, yeah, you 0:57:42.880 --> 0:57:45.080 can master that. You can wait. It's probably a ten 0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:47.440 pound head. Yeah, it was. It was. We were seven 0:57:47.520 --> 0:57:51.920 years old in which is satan would because it doesn't split. 0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:54.960 It's like spliting cable. Yeah, we grew up on the 0:57:55.040 --> 0:57:58.840 worst of the worst. Man. It was all the all 0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:01.840 the is dying from dutching back in them day's back 0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:04.880 in at early seven, you know, so we're eight, nine, eleven, 0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:07.800 twelve years or whatever you pick a year, but pretty 0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:11.320 much free wood because it was free because you're cutting 0:58:11.320 --> 0:58:13.120 it down, because that tree's dying, we're cutting it. It's 0:58:13.120 --> 0:58:18.520 the worst, twisted, nasty there's nothing that we have that 0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:21.920 even comes close to being that miserable dude, would you 0:58:21.960 --> 0:58:26.760 agree that the finest splitting wood ever made by ever 0:58:26.840 --> 0:58:33.120 made by God is beach splits good, which just makes 0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:35.600 you feel like it makes you feel like such a 0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:38.200 pro dude. I'll tell you it looks like planks a 0:58:38.320 --> 0:58:40.760 lump if you want to well, same thing goals for like, 0:58:41.000 --> 0:58:43.400 if you want to split some really gravy, it's like 0:58:43.480 --> 0:58:47.600 vaneer red oak. In the wintertime, that's gray splitting. Oh god, yeah, 0:58:47.640 --> 0:58:50.000 it's it's water dense, so in the wintertime you get 0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:53.400 below zero and if it's clear, it just pot disclodes. 0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:55.800 Hold on, you guys are saying a lot of terms 0:58:57.040 --> 0:58:58.880 I'm not familiar with, so I'm sure most of the 0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:03.520 listeners are heard clear described as clear as not free. 0:59:04.760 --> 0:59:08.680 Clear is no not no, it's not free not freaking 0:59:09.800 --> 0:59:15.240 Yeah you k n O t ye not. And then 0:59:15.280 --> 0:59:19.920 you also said Vaneer grade Vaneer grade lumber. Do you 0:59:19.960 --> 0:59:21.480 know what they make vaneer on of I don't know 0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:26.640 what you've got any ven near here? No no flaws, perfect, 0:59:26.640 --> 0:59:29.880 when the best best Yeah, yeah, it's usually your butt 0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:32.560 cut on a tree, because like, and what they do 0:59:32.680 --> 0:59:39.120 is that you're signed to do you know what vaneer is? Yeah? Okay, 0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:41.959 when you when they make vaneer. They're taking a log 0:59:42.120 --> 0:59:45.280 and basically you're taking not even it's like a guy 0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:47.120 gave me a business card. Guy gave you a business 0:59:47.120 --> 0:59:48.919 card one time, So picture a business card. It felt 0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:54.280 like a normal business card. Thickness that was like three vaneer. 0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:58.480 That was like a laminated piece of three walnut, like 0:59:59.120 --> 1:00:04.960 it was laminated of the vneer veneer, but it's thicker. 1:00:05.200 --> 1:00:10.240 Plywood is vaneer, three walnut vneer laminated together. Was like 1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:11.920 a business card. And they take that thing and they 1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:15.040 just you Basically you're cutting like a like you're flaying 1:00:15.080 --> 1:00:19.480 at something much around and and they cook it. They 1:00:19.480 --> 1:00:22.680 cook it. It's it's steam cooked, so it's soft and 1:00:22.720 --> 1:00:26.320 they peel it like you would apple. But it comes 1:00:26.360 --> 1:00:30.280 off like in sheets of paper. And then they laminated 1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:34.400 into your put it on tops of crappy because so 1:00:34.560 --> 1:00:36.680 the grain of that tree, that wood's got to be 1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:40.240 like perfect. And you could have when I learned this 1:00:40.320 --> 1:00:42.840 when me and Phelps were working on our the line, 1:00:42.880 --> 1:00:46.560 one calls because another thing they do on the walnut. 1:00:47.800 --> 1:00:50.520 You boys might be familiar at this steaming it to 1:00:50.600 --> 1:00:54.040 get the color to spread around. But then people can 1:00:54.120 --> 1:00:56.960 look and tell it's been steamed, but a good veneer 1:00:57.000 --> 1:00:59.400 walnut log. These these dudes are telling us, like, you 1:00:59.520 --> 1:01:02.080 might have one walnut tree that's worth a couple hundred bucks. 1:01:03.120 --> 1:01:06.720 The walnut tree next to it could be a tree. Right. 1:01:07.000 --> 1:01:09.000 There's there's a lot of different grades of aner I 1:01:09.000 --> 1:01:14.959 mean like no big long trunk, no limb, narrow. Yeah, 1:01:14.960 --> 1:01:17.320 I mean, so, I mean that's that's always the best 1:01:17.360 --> 1:01:20.000 splitting wood on a tree. Yeah yeah, I mean, not 1:01:20.080 --> 1:01:22.400 that you're gonna purposely cut that up, but a lot 1:01:22.400 --> 1:01:24.960 of times I'll get cut off from a sawmill like 1:01:25.040 --> 1:01:29.439 it was a veneer log, okay, and the buyer comes 1:01:29.440 --> 1:01:31.840 in and says, well, let's say it's a number one 1:01:31.880 --> 1:01:33.760 sal log. I mean, so now I'm talking maybe in 1:01:33.880 --> 1:01:37.120 terms you guys don't know, I don't know, but high quality, 1:01:37.240 --> 1:01:39.880 high quality log. It's a number one okay, that's top dollar. 1:01:40.800 --> 1:01:42.720 And it's what it's a twelve foot log. All there's 1:01:42.760 --> 1:01:45.720 one knot on that end. If we cut two ft 1:01:45.800 --> 1:01:48.600 off that log, and then what's a ten footer the 1:01:48.720 --> 1:01:51.439 valley that log just doubled because now it's aner grade, 1:01:51.480 --> 1:01:54.439 not at number one grade. So there's and there's many 1:01:54.480 --> 1:01:57.680 different grades of a near it's not just veneer. There's 1:01:58.080 --> 1:02:01.360 there's over my I can't even tell you all that 1:02:01.440 --> 1:02:05.760 there's different grades. But that's way removed from firewood. But 1:02:06.200 --> 1:02:08.600 I guess when I said vaneer, that just really threw 1:02:08.640 --> 1:02:13.000 another bench. And we're getting educated. I'll tell you the 1:02:13.000 --> 1:02:15.440 things I didn't know. I didn't know you drove a 1:02:15.520 --> 1:02:19.600 railroad spike with a real thin malls because it can't 1:02:19.600 --> 1:02:22.680 be dinging the ship out of the rail. Well, nobody 1:02:22.920 --> 1:02:26.320 does that by hand anymore. To realize, nobody describe some 1:02:26.360 --> 1:02:31.919 pneumatic driver. So another thing that I'm getting I'm catching on. 1:02:32.800 --> 1:02:36.320 You're old man, became so precise with this mall, and 1:02:36.360 --> 1:02:39.160 we did to. We didn't eat. When you're looking at 1:02:39.160 --> 1:02:40.560 a log and you're like, man, if you could hit 1:02:40.600 --> 1:02:43.800 that log right there, that suckered split and you're an 1:02:43.840 --> 1:02:46.840 inch off, you're driving a wedge. You guys use a 1:02:46.840 --> 1:02:50.200 wedge still a small two inches or whatever. I mean, 1:02:50.400 --> 1:02:54.040 Like we got these newer hand mall axes out of 1:02:54.080 --> 1:02:58.240 what you call the X back in the day. Not 1:02:58.360 --> 1:03:00.960 anymore so much, but I mean you can hit the 1:03:01.000 --> 1:03:04.680 same crack every time, every type, and if you do 1:03:04.760 --> 1:03:08.240 a lot, you can develop its practice. Everythinks its strength 1:03:08.240 --> 1:03:10.560 to it's it's technique just like anything else. Like the 1:03:10.600 --> 1:03:12.919 guys that are the big power lifters, there's a lot 1:03:13.000 --> 1:03:15.600 of technique in that. It's not all strength. I mean 1:03:15.720 --> 1:03:18.360 strength is a big part of it, but technique is huge. Well, 1:03:18.440 --> 1:03:21.200 yea tougher than I am, but I could beat him 1:03:21.200 --> 1:03:25.960 in logs splitten. Yeah, big guys try to split logs. 1:03:26.160 --> 1:03:28.439 And remember one, they don't know how to read the wood. 1:03:28.440 --> 1:03:29.640 When you look at it. You have to see where 1:03:29.640 --> 1:03:32.120 the cracks are, where the knots are, what sections you 1:03:32.160 --> 1:03:35.040 want to take off when, and how to work. You 1:03:35.120 --> 1:03:37.160 got to read the world. Can't just do all brute strength. 1:03:37.200 --> 1:03:39.120 And then your technique and your swing and how you 1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:41.200 can accelerate your swing and bending the knees and using 1:03:41.200 --> 1:03:43.480 your upper body to come down. And it's a lot 1:03:43.480 --> 1:03:46.880 of technique. Yeah. And you know you always you always 1:03:46.880 --> 1:03:49.160 cut the fresh cut, not the dry cut. And you 1:03:49.160 --> 1:03:53.720 always want you always want to cut it right away. Yeah, Okay, 1:03:53.880 --> 1:03:55.520 I've seen guys that cut up when they leave it 1:03:55.520 --> 1:03:57.040 in the back yard for a two years ago. I'm 1:03:57.040 --> 1:03:59.080 gonna go split that though, Well, that happens. That would 1:03:59.200 --> 1:04:03.960 drive some tight into a molecular We're like, now, what's dry? 1:04:04.440 --> 1:04:07.800 It's like why, why waste your time? But also it 1:04:07.800 --> 1:04:10.360 doesn't get more brittle when you like put the ax 1:04:10.440 --> 1:04:15.960 in and then well, cray wood will still split. But 1:04:16.040 --> 1:04:18.440 if you got any knots in it, it's just well, 1:04:18.480 --> 1:04:20.920 the but the end will dry on you. And also 1:04:21.040 --> 1:04:23.200 as it gets real dry, the whole thing is going 1:04:23.240 --> 1:04:26.760 to shrink and tighten. So moisture is actually a good thing. 1:04:26.760 --> 1:04:28.120 And that's why we're talking about the oak in the 1:04:28.120 --> 1:04:30.760 middle of winter, because if it's below zero, the moisture 1:04:30.760 --> 1:04:33.600 in that round or that log is going to be 1:04:33.640 --> 1:04:36.720 then it just wants to pop. It's already got pressure. 1:04:38.120 --> 1:04:44.840 Split heard trees. I'm thinking, right, he's got some naughty 1:04:44.920 --> 1:04:52.280 as spruce. Maybe spruce. You know, you know a good 1:04:52.320 --> 1:04:54.680 splitting log, You guys aren't probably familiar with it, But 1:04:55.240 --> 1:04:58.120 yellow cedar, that's a hell of splitting log. That makes 1:04:58.120 --> 1:05:01.440 first champ because you know, a picture making cedar shakes 1:05:01.440 --> 1:05:04.240 out of it right right, you feel like you're like 1:05:04.280 --> 1:05:09.959 the greatest man on the planet. Clear cedar splits nice. Yes, Uh, 1:05:10.240 --> 1:05:13.840 so you grew up splitting wood, grew up for home use, 1:05:13.960 --> 1:05:17.040 and then you guys became you guys became market wood choppers. 1:05:17.080 --> 1:05:19.520 Dad actually would hire assault to the neighbors to split 1:05:19.560 --> 1:05:25.160 their wood for them. Yeah, I love it much and 1:05:25.240 --> 1:05:26.840 not tell you what. There was a lot of wood 1:05:26.920 --> 1:05:29.720 split for a very little money. But you know his 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:32.040 thing was like, this will make you so tough. You 1:05:32.080 --> 1:05:37.800 should will fight to get down the toilet, right. He 1:05:37.840 --> 1:05:40.920 would say, this will make it so tough. Blah blah blah. 1:05:41.520 --> 1:05:43.480 He would go to a neighbor who had a pile 1:05:43.520 --> 1:05:45.600 of unsplit wood and he'd say, my boys will come 1:05:45.600 --> 1:05:47.440 split it. Yep. Yeah, and then we got rouped in. 1:05:47.440 --> 1:05:51.520 After that, then it was bail and hay from the neighbors. Yeah. 1:05:52.080 --> 1:05:55.600 After we grew up. You if you want to if 1:05:55.600 --> 1:05:58.360 you want to eat, you gotta work, John Smith, Yeah, 1:05:58.400 --> 1:06:00.440 I got you. That was that's how we grew up. 1:06:00.920 --> 1:06:02.800 And at some point you started splitting it. You started 1:06:02.800 --> 1:06:06.200 cutting and splitting the cell. Well, he's always done a 1:06:06.240 --> 1:06:08.520 little bit. But then I had a buddy that had 1:06:08.640 --> 1:06:10.800 ninety acres of woods and he had oak wealth, which 1:06:10.840 --> 1:06:13.800 is goes off the red oaks, the black oaks, and 1:06:13.880 --> 1:06:16.480 he wanted it. Catton. I had always burnedood in my fireplace. 1:06:17.040 --> 1:06:19.959 Maybe four or five face chords or two fold chords 1:06:20.000 --> 1:06:23.240 a year or so and he he pause for seven. 1:06:23.600 --> 1:06:26.320 We need a breakdown of that. There's a lot of 1:06:26.440 --> 1:06:31.480 terminog You guys don't know terminology. I know some terminology 1:06:31.520 --> 1:06:34.640 you guys won't know. Why do you guys? Why are 1:06:34.600 --> 1:06:37.160 you guys talking about No one talks about face cords 1:06:37.160 --> 1:06:39.520 like you got Okay, but I wanted to ask this. 1:06:39.600 --> 1:06:42.800 You guys know the term of rick, yeah, v yeah, 1:06:42.880 --> 1:06:46.440 but why does no one know a thing? Okay, where's 1:06:46.440 --> 1:06:50.000 the region? Because in Michigan we have bubblers, water fountains, 1:06:50.040 --> 1:06:52.400 the water phone. Yeah, and you have rix and we 1:06:52.400 --> 1:06:57.360 have face cords there you go face court right, prior 1:06:57.520 --> 1:07:00.160 I knew rick. But are you have any idea where 1:07:00.200 --> 1:07:02.480 like what the etymology of the word rick is and 1:07:02.520 --> 1:07:04.600 how it's spelled. We don't know. R I c K 1:07:04.760 --> 1:07:07.000 is the way I know. See, we always we spell 1:07:07.160 --> 1:07:10.439 R I c Oh. Yes, I've seen it spelled that way. 1:07:10.520 --> 1:07:13.640 I have seen it. And it's a it's it's a 1:07:13.760 --> 1:07:17.400 sixteen inch it's a stack of sixteen inch logs. Well, okay, 1:07:18.200 --> 1:07:21.120 eight ft that's not a log, it's a piece or 1:07:21.160 --> 1:07:25.000 a log? Is the full sixteen inch pieces. So let's 1:07:25.000 --> 1:07:29.000 start from the beginning. Yes, that's a face, same thing 1:07:29.040 --> 1:07:31.600 as a rising. So I can tell you what that 1:07:31.600 --> 1:07:35.000 thing weighs. Well, it depends on species, It depends on 1:07:35.000 --> 1:07:38.480 if it's dry. Actually, can't remember remember someone weighing one 1:07:38.520 --> 1:07:40.080 and telling me though, Well, they tell me what a 1:07:40.160 --> 1:07:43.760 cord of oakways? Was it like five full full court 1:07:43.760 --> 1:07:47.960 of green oakways? Five grand? Yes? Wow? Remember so I 1:07:47.960 --> 1:07:50.240 had I took a three quarter ton truck and added 1:07:50.360 --> 1:07:53.000 enough lee springs to it. Well, I built a box, 1:07:53.160 --> 1:07:56.040 is like that was the right volume. I took a 1:07:56.080 --> 1:07:58.800 three quarter ton truck and added enough lee springs to it. 1:07:58.800 --> 1:08:00.480 It's funny because it like three quarter ton. You used 1:08:00.480 --> 1:08:03.760 to me like it's capacity. But I could put a 1:08:03.880 --> 1:08:06.400 cord of green oak in that truck. Yeah, we didn't 1:08:06.440 --> 1:08:09.280 like it. When you turn the wheel, it was light. Yeah, 1:08:11.560 --> 1:08:16.760 the worked really good. So to go back to the 1:08:16.800 --> 1:08:18.519 cord things, So you start with your tree. You cut 1:08:18.560 --> 1:08:20.639 your trees down. We cut in our era we kind 1:08:20.640 --> 1:08:24.400 of which is eight foot four inches standard because of 1:08:24.439 --> 1:08:26.760 the paper mills. That's what they want from that goes 1:08:26.800 --> 1:08:29.720 back to logging days were I in our area, they 1:08:29.720 --> 1:08:32.320 would float the wood down the river. Okay, that's how 1:08:32.320 --> 1:08:36.000 they got it out in the spring. And so you 1:08:36.040 --> 1:08:37.800 need a trim on the end of that log. If 1:08:37.840 --> 1:08:40.080 it was going to be lumber, you didn't cut it 1:08:40.120 --> 1:08:43.080 eight foot. It wasn't eight foot. You left four inches. 1:08:43.080 --> 1:08:44.880 You've got a couple inches of trim on each end. 1:08:45.040 --> 1:08:51.200 Damage for trim. So meaning that when it was getting floated, 1:08:51.200 --> 1:08:53.920 it would get dinged up. Rocks, Yeah, they get dinged up. 1:08:53.960 --> 1:08:56.160 They would get getting dinged up on you end. You don't. 1:08:56.479 --> 1:09:00.160 Actually they never floated. I don't think hardwood. Hardwood doesn't. 1:09:00.200 --> 1:09:04.000 They were floating basically pine that was back in the 1:09:03.760 --> 1:09:08.360 true They didn't float hardwood. It doesn't doesn't. It's really 1:09:08.360 --> 1:09:12.479 you're not going very far. It's on the bottom, very heavy. 1:09:13.560 --> 1:09:15.360 They always had to be. That always had to be 1:09:15.400 --> 1:09:20.200 like wagoned out in the big lumber boom days. We 1:09:20.200 --> 1:09:24.040 weren't work that. No, that was in the winter with horses. 1:09:24.040 --> 1:09:25.759 They would they would s get it out with horses. 1:09:26.120 --> 1:09:28.320 I never thought about I assumed all that ship went 1:09:28.360 --> 1:09:33.600 down the rivers. No, No, not hard wine. Maybe some 1:09:33.720 --> 1:09:37.120 spruce and balsom. But in our area with the big 1:09:37.120 --> 1:09:40.479 white pine was a big opener care area where I live, 1:09:40.840 --> 1:09:43.439 so eight foot logs, so yeah, a foot logs and 1:09:43.479 --> 1:09:45.040 then they're loaded onto log trucks and they go to 1:09:45.080 --> 1:09:47.040 the paper mills and that's kind of a standard operating 1:09:47.080 --> 1:09:49.160 size and then they get shipped and turned into paper. 1:09:49.160 --> 1:09:50.960 In our area, that's the big thing. And then there's 1:09:50.960 --> 1:09:54.240 amber mills. Um. So in other areas of the country 1:09:54.240 --> 1:09:56.160 you're gonna be on, like the West coast, they do 1:09:56.280 --> 1:09:59.000 whole trees, all the whole tree out at one time, 1:09:59.439 --> 1:10:02.600 not the whole the log from the butt that's the 1:10:02.600 --> 1:10:04.240 bottom of the tree, the butt where the rid flares, 1:10:04.920 --> 1:10:07.000 the butt cut all the way to the top where 1:10:07.000 --> 1:10:09.160 it gets too small where it's not worth anything anymore. 1:10:09.160 --> 1:10:11.599 They all the whole tree out, um. But in our 1:10:11.640 --> 1:10:13.759 area because they want to be able to handle it. 1:10:13.760 --> 1:10:17.800 It's states is set up for for eight foot wood, 1:10:17.880 --> 1:10:21.720 which is hunter wood. Is you know at least they 1:10:21.720 --> 1:10:25.120 do fold trees or sixteen footers, twenty photers. I mean, 1:10:25.160 --> 1:10:29.040 there's whatever the mills were set up to handle that 1:10:29.160 --> 1:10:32.120 would um. We had a mill that I sent would 1:10:32.120 --> 1:10:35.280 to not that many years ago they closed it down though. Uh. 1:10:35.320 --> 1:10:39.880 They used aspen was their big thing, and they had um. 1:10:40.040 --> 1:10:43.480 The way they produced their pulp they had pocket grinders 1:10:44.280 --> 1:10:47.639 and they would manually lift the wood into the pocket grinder. 1:10:47.720 --> 1:10:49.599 It was on a big stone and there was steam 1:10:49.640 --> 1:10:52.639 pressure in there and the wood would go into the 1:10:52.680 --> 1:10:55.760 spinning stone at an angle like this, and that's how 1:10:55.800 --> 1:10:58.160 they got their finest pulp. It was a real fine 1:10:58.240 --> 1:11:02.400 pulp from fine paper. And so they would take the 1:11:02.479 --> 1:11:05.720 eight foot logs and cut him in half. Of course, 1:11:05.760 --> 1:11:08.400 these are all peeled, there's no bark. Was always off 1:11:08.760 --> 1:11:12.719 the bark with the tumbling. Yeah, everything everything's way work mechanized. 1:11:12.760 --> 1:11:14.800 But when I started with a company i retired from, 1:11:14.880 --> 1:11:17.120 they were still using pocket grinders. It was one of 1:11:17.160 --> 1:11:19.880 the last ones left in the country. You already retired. 1:11:21.200 --> 1:11:27.040 I'm from from that thing. I'm back doing we do stuff. 1:11:27.080 --> 1:11:32.280 You're never retired, man, don't you know Guys calling me, 1:11:32.439 --> 1:11:34.120 come on, you can work for me, Come on, work 1:11:34.160 --> 1:11:35.880 for me. I like, well, you know, the snow is 1:11:35.920 --> 1:11:38.639 getting deep. I don't do firewood right now. So I'm like, okay, 1:11:38.640 --> 1:11:40.439 I'll come back for a while. We'll see where it goes. 1:11:40.960 --> 1:11:43.719 M hm. So, so we'll go back to the logs, 1:11:43.760 --> 1:11:46.320 your eight foot logs, and if you stack them so 1:11:46.400 --> 1:11:49.120 there are four ft wide, four ft high. That's what's 1:11:49.120 --> 1:11:53.160 considered a pulp chord. That's like full full colog Yeah, 1:11:53.160 --> 1:11:56.160 I wouldn't say it again. It's a full eight ft 1:11:56.160 --> 1:12:00.599 logs four ft high, four ft wide world by four 1:12:00.680 --> 1:12:05.960 pile is a chord. That's a cord cubic feet. And however, 1:12:06.040 --> 1:12:08.400 how we buy it off the truck. But now everything 1:12:08.439 --> 1:12:11.320 is getting converted to tons. Now they're buying tons of 1:12:11.439 --> 1:12:13.840 the paper industry for the paper industry. Yes, but from 1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:16.280 our purpose is what happens then is so you get 1:12:16.280 --> 1:12:18.600 your full log cord. That's the way I refer to it. 1:12:18.680 --> 1:12:21.040 I don't know if everybody else does. When you process 1:12:21.120 --> 1:12:24.400 that would into your sixteen inch pieces, cutting it, splitting it, 1:12:24.479 --> 1:12:26.519 stacking it, you end up with about two and a 1:12:26.600 --> 1:12:30.519 half two point five face cords, or not quite a 1:12:30.600 --> 1:12:33.719 full chord because you're reducing the size any any space 1:12:33.760 --> 1:12:36.000 in there, the roundness of the logs. You're gonna have 1:12:36.120 --> 1:12:40.120 voids in the pile of your logs back up. I'm 1:12:40.160 --> 1:12:45.240 getting it. I'm getting it, but I'm confused. I would 1:12:45.240 --> 1:12:50.439 expect that it would. Yeah, I was expecting, because you're 1:12:50.439 --> 1:12:52.800 never gonna put a log back together. You're also your 1:12:52.800 --> 1:12:54.559 curve is the eighth of an inch and you're cutting. 1:12:55.200 --> 1:12:59.559 That's you, And I get what you're saying. You don't 1:12:59.560 --> 1:13:02.679 have all those you don't have all those spaces between 1:13:02.680 --> 1:13:07.599 the logs reduces in volume. Yeah, you get two point 1:13:07.640 --> 1:13:10.880 five on really big wood. If you're cutting likes and 1:13:10.920 --> 1:13:20.920 stuff like I cut you, you will get yea and 1:13:21.120 --> 1:13:28.920 young Frankenstein, young and young Frankenstein. Gene Wilder, that's young Frankenstein. 1:13:29.000 --> 1:13:33.240 Gene Wilder sends his lackey. What's his name? Igor? He 1:13:33.360 --> 1:13:37.719 sends Egor. He needs a brain, So he sends Igor 1:13:37.880 --> 1:13:41.320 down to to get a brain off off a dead person, 1:13:41.439 --> 1:13:43.640 a new dead person, and he puts the brain in 1:13:43.720 --> 1:13:47.759 his monster, and the monster goes berserk, and he says, 1:13:47.960 --> 1:13:53.080 what was the name on whose brain did you get? 1:13:54.200 --> 1:13:57.519 He says, I think that her name was Abby? And 1:13:57.560 --> 1:13:59.680 then he says what was her last name? And it 1:13:59.760 --> 1:14:03.519 was I think it was Abby normal normal, and you 1:14:03.560 --> 1:14:07.479 had gotten an abnormal. Yeah, that's so that's the wood 1:14:07.520 --> 1:14:11.759 I cut, is the abbey wood, because I could always 1:14:11.800 --> 1:14:15.400 get it for cheap or free. Nobody wants to work 1:14:15.439 --> 1:14:17.800 that freaking hard. We get that, we get that lot 1:14:17.920 --> 1:14:22.760 to make big pieces of wood small. So but I've 1:14:22.760 --> 1:14:24.880 been working hard in my whole life. It's just normal 1:14:24.960 --> 1:14:26.400 for me. We get a lot of people that will 1:14:26.439 --> 1:14:28.519 watch Kenny and I cut some of his big stuff. 1:14:28.520 --> 1:14:30.719 We cult the abbey wood, and they're like, you should 1:14:30.720 --> 1:14:32.960 be turning that into slabs. You should be turned in 1:14:33.040 --> 1:14:36.320 into lumber. That's ridiculous. You're gonna burn it. That's a waste. 1:14:36.360 --> 1:14:38.000 You mean to tell me that. You put a video 1:14:38.040 --> 1:14:43.439 out and someone has a better idea every day. You 1:14:43.520 --> 1:14:45.920 can't do nothing. The reason I'm bringing this up as 1:14:45.960 --> 1:14:48.479 the thing is that would was rejected from the lumber 1:14:48.520 --> 1:14:52.320 mill because we did gotten flaws crooked. We did what 1:14:52.439 --> 1:14:55.240 three loads, well, I did three loads of that, semi loads, 1:14:55.520 --> 1:15:00.679 se truckloads, truck loads, semi loads. So this would so big. 1:15:00.760 --> 1:15:04.479 I bought it from my the last job I had 1:15:05.200 --> 1:15:08.519 they had, I worked for a sawmill, so I mean 1:15:08.600 --> 1:15:11.080 to deal with them. I bought all their reject would 1:15:11.200 --> 1:15:13.639 like a year and a half ago. So all their 1:15:13.640 --> 1:15:15.800 stuff they had they went through the metal detector, had 1:15:15.920 --> 1:15:18.840 nails and spikes and saw blades and whatever in it. 1:15:19.439 --> 1:15:22.280 All that it was actually oversized wood. They could not 1:15:22.479 --> 1:15:24.600 run through their saw mill. It was too big for 1:15:24.680 --> 1:15:27.080 their mill and then people say, well, why did they 1:15:27.080 --> 1:15:31.080 buy it? They buy sales. They might say, okay, they bought, 1:15:31.080 --> 1:15:33.559 you know, a hundred acres sail. We're logging this off 1:15:34.280 --> 1:15:35.880 and the tree is marked by the forester or the 1:15:35.960 --> 1:15:38.160 tree has got to be cut and on the bottom 1:15:38.200 --> 1:15:41.280 cut that's a fifty in butt cut. They can't run it, 1:15:41.479 --> 1:15:43.280 but they're paying their crew to cut it. That crew 1:15:43.360 --> 1:15:44.720 is going to get paid to cut it because they 1:15:44.800 --> 1:15:46.400 got to bring it out. That trees mark. You don't 1:15:46.439 --> 1:15:49.320 leave it late is you're probably deal with. You bought 1:15:49.320 --> 1:15:51.760 the sail. So they end up with all these You know, 1:15:51.800 --> 1:15:53.280 they might only get one or two of those on 1:15:53.360 --> 1:15:55.120 a job, but over a couple of years, now all 1:15:55.120 --> 1:15:57.160 there's truckloads of laying out in the back. We don't 1:15:57.160 --> 1:16:00.720 know what to do with them. So utilizing a resource, um, 1:16:00.920 --> 1:16:04.519 I know, how dummy, he'll buy them. So well, and 1:16:04.560 --> 1:16:07.920 I've been doing this for years, they said, but you 1:16:08.000 --> 1:16:11.519 got to take it all. So I bought like twelve 1:16:11.600 --> 1:16:16.080 or fifteen truckloads last year of this stuff. Well it 1:16:16.240 --> 1:16:19.679 wasn't all. There was three loads of just abby wood. Yes, 1:16:19.960 --> 1:16:22.040 well on one truckload he got how many how many 1:16:22.040 --> 1:16:24.200 logs did you have on one truckload. Normally you'll have 1:16:24.280 --> 1:16:30.960 hundreds five. No, there was that was like one. That's 1:16:31.240 --> 1:16:36.200 that's what is. There's a video, you can watch the videos. 1:16:37.800 --> 1:16:41.000 That's they're out there. But what are you paying? Um? 1:16:41.120 --> 1:16:43.160 What are you willing to pay? Let me start off 1:16:44.920 --> 1:16:48.400 when I sold firewood. Um, I was selling firewood from 1:16:48.520 --> 1:16:55.400 like ninety to nine six. You would get you could 1:16:55.439 --> 1:16:57.280 sell if you wanted to sell, if you were hurting 1:16:57.280 --> 1:17:03.360 for cash, you could sell green split hardwood for about 1:17:03.400 --> 1:17:08.200 sixty or seventy bucks accord green. No, dude, I'm telling 1:17:08.240 --> 1:17:13.160 what it was. Back then, I would I would stack 1:17:13.280 --> 1:17:16.439 mine up and then sell it. This is in those years, 1:17:16.560 --> 1:17:20.920 I would sell mape. It was maple oak beach split 1:17:21.320 --> 1:17:26.599 dried delivered ninety dollars a cord for a full court. Listen, 1:17:26.600 --> 1:17:29.880 I don't yeah. Was it a pick up load or 1:17:30.120 --> 1:17:43.160 like your full measured cubic feet of split dried delivered hardwood. Maybe, 1:17:43.160 --> 1:17:45.360 depending on like the severity of the winner and ship 1:17:45.400 --> 1:17:47.040 and how long you were willing to hold it, you 1:17:47.040 --> 1:17:49.440 could maybe get a hundred. But that was the most advertarge. 1:17:49.600 --> 1:17:51.760 But I knew guys that would that would build. They 1:17:51.760 --> 1:17:56.040 would take a mobile home trailers, those big huge and 1:17:56.120 --> 1:17:58.839 they beef them out and they would drive wood Detroit 1:17:58.920 --> 1:18:01.240 and they would sell it for three Oh yeah yeah. 1:18:02.360 --> 1:18:04.600 Where he sells here's woe, and where I sells what is? 1:18:05.680 --> 1:18:08.800 And but what is the give me the economics on it, 1:18:08.840 --> 1:18:10.639 not like what are you willing to pay for an 1:18:10.800 --> 1:18:15.880 un split cord? I would pay from zero to five dollars. 1:18:16.560 --> 1:18:18.000 But I was never like big time about I'll just 1:18:18.000 --> 1:18:20.559 do like something to make money. I'd pay from zero 1:18:20.600 --> 1:18:22.240 to five for the stuff, and I'd sell it for 1:18:22.240 --> 1:18:24.120 what I just said I'd sell it for. I got 1:18:24.120 --> 1:18:27.400 a lot of tree service would for free, which trees 1:18:27.479 --> 1:18:29.880 that are being taken down to neighborhoods that are dead, dying, 1:18:30.280 --> 1:18:35.600 dangerous right now? You got the UH killing all the 1:18:35.640 --> 1:18:37.600 ash and Wisconsin now, so then we're all getting to 1:18:37.800 --> 1:18:40.599 probably got three truck loads semiloads of that this year, 1:18:40.600 --> 1:18:44.639 which is each truckle is going to have folk cords 1:18:44.680 --> 1:18:47.559 on it, getting it free, not only free, they bring 1:18:47.560 --> 1:18:50.719 it to me delivered delivered. And what do you sell? 1:18:50.840 --> 1:18:54.240 What's would selling for right now? Like just general average 1:18:54.240 --> 1:18:58.120 around the country for split hardwood. I'll mention that first. Yeah, 1:18:58.120 --> 1:19:00.839 I want to go back I'll go back to mention um. 1:19:00.880 --> 1:19:03.479 The wood that I do buy, the better would quality. 1:19:03.520 --> 1:19:06.320 Way you talked about those veneers, like if you buy bolts, 1:19:06.400 --> 1:19:10.320 which is a very good straight log I will pay 1:19:10.720 --> 1:19:14.960 anywhere from four hundred to six d first semi load. 1:19:16.120 --> 1:19:18.120 So I'm paying about a hundred and ten hundred twenty 1:19:18.160 --> 1:19:22.680 dollars per full cord of logs. What beautiful sts by 1:19:22.720 --> 1:19:24.960 it costs. And I have a firewood processor now and 1:19:25.040 --> 1:19:27.360 it likes that kind of would and I can produce, 1:19:27.439 --> 1:19:29.920 I can, I can process that whole load one day, 1:19:30.960 --> 1:19:35.080 God speed everything, time is everything, and then sell that 1:19:35.160 --> 1:19:38.600 for two three plus. It's easy to handle. Yeah, but 1:19:38.600 --> 1:19:40.080 you gotta get it, they wanted. Most people want to 1:19:40.120 --> 1:19:43.000 dry so and a machine does most of the work. 1:19:43.400 --> 1:19:45.559 But the machine was donated to me by one of 1:19:45.600 --> 1:19:51.400 my people that kool aid drinkers, No No No runs 1:19:51.400 --> 1:19:54.400 a business. It's East Eastern made. Andrews a smart man. 1:19:55.120 --> 1:19:58.439 It's Eastern made wood processors and splitters. So he wanted 1:19:58.439 --> 1:20:00.640 people to see his ship in action. I asked. I 1:20:00.640 --> 1:20:02.320 asked him, I said, so what do you do for advertising? 1:20:02.320 --> 1:20:07.880 He says, um, yere at So he said, just make videos. 1:20:07.880 --> 1:20:10.880 So you're hauling, asked you so much? Would sold a 1:20:10.920 --> 1:20:15.160 lot of stuff for this guy by having his YouTube 1:20:15.160 --> 1:20:17.719 traveling there over a year behind on selling their machines 1:20:17.760 --> 1:20:19.439 from the time people order to the time they can 1:20:19.439 --> 1:20:22.439 produce it, and they just keep growing. So we've done 1:20:22.439 --> 1:20:24.439 a lot of advertising forms. So anybody gives me stuff, 1:20:24.439 --> 1:20:25.960 They're gonna sell a lot of stuff. It's the way 1:20:26.000 --> 1:20:28.519 it works. You hear that people because I got the eyeballs, 1:20:28.560 --> 1:20:30.160 that's what they want. Oh, you should talk about how 1:20:30.200 --> 1:20:32.880 you need to cup snowbills. I don't need to just 1:20:32.920 --> 1:20:37.759 come on now, I don't need man somebody else, Well, 1:20:37.800 --> 1:20:43.080 you could get it and donated. So that that's in 1:20:43.160 --> 1:20:45.760 the woodyard. That's in the wood And I started and 1:20:45.800 --> 1:20:48.080 when did you start in the woodyard about two years ago. 1:20:48.160 --> 1:20:50.960 And it's because my son, uh is the I T guy, 1:20:51.000 --> 1:20:52.519 and he says, you know, Dad, what you're doing is 1:20:52.800 --> 1:20:56.880 interesting to some people. And because I'm a by trade, 1:20:56.920 --> 1:20:59.599 I'm i'm I've been self employed for forty years. I'm 1:20:59.600 --> 1:21:02.920 a full time professional photographers what I do. So I 1:21:02.960 --> 1:21:05.200 had the skills there, had a skill set I brought 1:21:05.240 --> 1:21:07.840 to the table there. He helped me set it all up. 1:21:08.080 --> 1:21:10.080 I know editing. I know how to do all everything 1:21:10.160 --> 1:21:12.360 needs to be done for it. I'm not afraid of people. 1:21:12.360 --> 1:21:13.840 I'm not afraid to talk. And I mean there's a 1:21:13.880 --> 1:21:16.280 lot of people that freeze up in front of the camera. 1:21:16.320 --> 1:21:18.640 As you know, it's hard to get him to and 1:21:18.640 --> 1:21:21.400 be themselves. I have no problem with it. I give 1:21:21.400 --> 1:21:23.960 you can, I give you can. I give you my 1:21:24.000 --> 1:21:30.160 take on that subject. There's three kinds of people. Not 1:21:30.160 --> 1:21:33.840 not really, but there's three things that happened. Um. I 1:21:33.920 --> 1:21:36.400 found that you can have someone that, like you got 1:21:36.479 --> 1:21:39.639 a friend or whatever, and they have a great personality, okay, 1:21:39.800 --> 1:21:43.080 and you point a camera at him, it just stops, 1:21:43.320 --> 1:21:47.400 it shuts down. You could know someone that has no personality. 1:21:48.280 --> 1:21:49.800 You put a camera on him and they make one 1:21:49.880 --> 1:21:54.640 up and people see through that though, Or you'd have 1:21:54.720 --> 1:21:58.800 a person I'm talking to you, Kevin Murphy, who Kevin 1:21:58.880 --> 1:22:03.120 Murphy dug during Okay, they're the way they are and 1:22:03.160 --> 1:22:05.240 you love them and you put a camera on them. 1:22:05.600 --> 1:22:11.360 Nothing changes, nothing changes. That's gold. That's what you want. 1:22:11.439 --> 1:22:17.000 That's gold. That's Kenny. I'm there's no filter. Actually I'm 1:22:17.040 --> 1:22:19.040 the test dummy. Man. Just keep going the way they 1:22:19.080 --> 1:22:21.479 were going. He makes me do a lot of editing. 1:22:21.600 --> 1:22:24.080 I've been to test dummy my whole life. What do 1:22:24.080 --> 1:22:25.840 you get? What are you getting out of this whole thing? 1:22:25.800 --> 1:22:29.800 He's here last year and invite from one of my 1:22:29.920 --> 1:22:33.600 viewers to go to uh New Mexico. Al Kin, I 1:22:33.640 --> 1:22:35.840 get to go along here, I am to go along. 1:22:36.479 --> 1:22:38.639 It's great, and I give him free stuff. He gets 1:22:38.680 --> 1:22:40.160 a lot of free labor from meeks. I go help 1:22:40.240 --> 1:22:42.880 him out waiting. I was promised that he was going 1:22:42.920 --> 1:22:45.679 to bring a processor up two years ago and process 1:22:45.800 --> 1:22:49.559 my wood for me. It hasn't showed you what you guys, 1:22:49.920 --> 1:22:53.479 but you guys have your wood businesses are different. Yeah, totally. 1:22:53.680 --> 1:22:57.280 Why not combine your wood businesses miles away from me? Yeah? 1:22:57.280 --> 1:23:00.719 It's He's a northern Wisconsin and sounds all the people 1:23:00.720 --> 1:23:03.120 are they want to buy expensive wood to burn in 1:23:03.160 --> 1:23:06.160 their backyard. I supply people that heat their homes, So 1:23:06.240 --> 1:23:10.519 people eating your homes want to save money, right, and 1:23:09.439 --> 1:23:15.920 I saw my wood way cheap, way cheap. My people 1:23:15.920 --> 1:23:19.200 are literally literally burning money. They're sitting by the fireplace, 1:23:19.280 --> 1:23:21.920 drinking bear watching sports. I was at a fundraiser one 1:23:21.960 --> 1:23:24.920 time in New York and a guy told me that 1:23:25.000 --> 1:23:28.640 he had he was in He was in finance, so 1:23:28.720 --> 1:23:30.680 he was in Wall Street finance, but had found a 1:23:30.760 --> 1:23:33.919 side gig that he was really passionate about. He described 1:23:34.000 --> 1:23:38.280 as being in the designer firewood business where they were 1:23:38.320 --> 1:23:43.439 taking orchard like when you would redo apple orchards, big 1:23:43.560 --> 1:23:47.040 money cuts a very uniform peace, and he would kill 1:23:47.320 --> 1:23:51.320 dry the firewood because people wanted to have a stack 1:23:51.360 --> 1:23:55.720 of firewood in their house as an ornament. But they 1:23:55.800 --> 1:23:57.960 want that ship to be that you could bang it 1:23:57.960 --> 1:24:00.519 and no sawdust comes off. So he said it is 1:24:00.560 --> 1:24:02.639 like you don't even need to dust this ship once 1:24:02.640 --> 1:24:07.160 you stack in your house. He said it was a 1:24:07.240 --> 1:24:09.600 designer fire would company. He didn't want to tell me 1:24:09.640 --> 1:24:13.040 what he gets for a stack of that kiln dried, 1:24:13.320 --> 1:24:16.439 all cut the same, and you design in your house 1:24:16.520 --> 1:24:19.599 next to your fireplace a little wood stack. He fills 1:24:19.640 --> 1:24:22.479 that stack with wood that. Oh you know what's funny. 1:24:22.520 --> 1:24:24.479 I'll tell you something there at night. Uh, Phelps, you're 1:24:24.479 --> 1:24:27.599 about Phelps in the scorpion. He sent me a picture 1:24:27.600 --> 1:24:30.720 of a scorpion in a bed. So I think that 1:24:30.960 --> 1:24:34.280 we're burning like we're burning oak down in Sonora, and 1:24:34.479 --> 1:24:37.439 every piece of oak is hollow and it's just a 1:24:37.560 --> 1:24:41.800 huge dump of like oak warming up inside this house, 1:24:41.840 --> 1:24:44.720 next to this fireplace. And Phelps is right by the 1:24:44.720 --> 1:24:46.720 fireplace and right by the oak. And he was the 1:24:46.720 --> 1:24:49.120 guy every night like he's like throwing oak into this 1:24:49.160 --> 1:24:52.479 big fireplace. One night he wakes me up. We're sleeping 1:24:52.479 --> 1:24:54.960 next to each other. He's in his sleeping bag, out 1:24:55.000 --> 1:24:56.920 in my sleep bag. And he wakes up just all 1:24:57.040 --> 1:25:02.320 worked up. And he got a scorpion got him on 1:25:02.400 --> 1:25:05.880 the inside of his left thigh, the inside of his 1:25:06.000 --> 1:25:08.160 right thigh. He put his hand on here, trying to 1:25:08.160 --> 1:25:09.880 figure out what was going on, and got it right 1:25:09.880 --> 1:25:15.040 in the thumb. The I believe he said it felt 1:25:15.120 --> 1:25:20.080 He thought he thought that he was getting in an 1:25:20.080 --> 1:25:23.200 electrical shock from a cactus thorn. That is what he 1:25:23.200 --> 1:25:25.840 said it felt like. And then he was trying to 1:25:25.880 --> 1:25:27.600 figure out if he's gonna wake up dead or not, 1:25:27.720 --> 1:25:29.200 you know, if he goes back to sleep. But he 1:25:29.240 --> 1:25:31.439 was still he was hurting pretty good. Did you have 1:25:31.479 --> 1:25:35.439 any effects? Hurt him bad, but not his his his 1:25:35.520 --> 1:25:40.240 thumb went numb down to the wrist whoa, and his legs. 1:25:40.360 --> 1:25:44.800 If he'd whenever he'd walk, he'd get little just being 1:25:44.840 --> 1:25:46.880 a guy. If it's on either side of his grin. 1:25:47.120 --> 1:25:49.680 It didn't affect anything, not that I've heard of him. 1:25:50.840 --> 1:25:52.559 I called him a smorning to check on him, because 1:25:52.560 --> 1:25:54.040 then he fell back to sleep and I woke him 1:25:54.120 --> 1:25:56.160 up and to see if he was doing all right. 1:25:56.320 --> 1:26:00.960 But yeah, he Uh, did you guys contact to doctor. No. 1:26:01.040 --> 1:26:05.240 But we detained the scorpion. That doesn't seem really helpful 1:26:05.320 --> 1:26:09.400 to Jason. I detained it live if you started, because 1:26:09.520 --> 1:26:14.679 I wanted to be it's still detained because if something 1:26:14.760 --> 1:26:19.000 happens to him, we wanted to be like here it is. Yeah, 1:26:19.439 --> 1:26:22.200 So we had it and then we're trying to move 1:26:22.280 --> 1:26:24.320 how we had it detained and it almost got loose 1:26:24.360 --> 1:26:27.800 in the truck, but it's it's secure that it sits 1:26:27.880 --> 1:26:29.800 right now in a tile on all bottle. Is it 1:26:29.840 --> 1:26:33.360 a big one? The biggest scorpion ever? I'm not are 1:26:33.360 --> 1:26:36.360 the most? Yeah, that's all is it is? He okay? 1:26:36.400 --> 1:26:41.840 Now I tried to call morning. I haven't heard this scorpion. 1:26:42.040 --> 1:26:44.479 This scorpion is the size of your pinky finger, the 1:26:44.479 --> 1:26:52.280 size of my pinky finger. Huge. Back to what was 1:26:52.320 --> 1:27:00.200 I saying, I don't know we're going Sidewayson pricing so 1:27:01.040 --> 1:27:05.960 um and Kenny's Air Job bringing that best great and 1:27:06.040 --> 1:27:08.519 Kenny's Air. You guys should do a podcast. I'll license it, 1:27:08.520 --> 1:27:11.400 front it. Okay, well we can do that. I'll license it, 1:27:11.439 --> 1:27:14.200 We'll put it on our network and I'll license it 1:27:14.640 --> 1:27:17.000 and we'll do a rev share. Is there any money involved? 1:27:17.400 --> 1:27:21.559 Do that? Because I ain't making squawk listen man, not 1:27:21.920 --> 1:27:25.160 if you go on your own. No, not if you 1:27:25.240 --> 1:27:27.559 go on your own. But but but if you were 1:27:27.600 --> 1:27:31.240 to join a network, because there's like, I'm not gonna 1:27:31.240 --> 1:27:32.560 get into it right now because if you're doing me 1:27:32.600 --> 1:27:35.080 a disservice to explain it all, I know you're in 1:27:35.120 --> 1:27:38.720 the air, but if you were to join, if you 1:27:38.760 --> 1:27:41.920 were to do this, be in and Out of the 1:27:41.920 --> 1:27:46.040 Woodyard podcast? Can you do the podcast? I license it, 1:27:46.080 --> 1:27:48.800 we do a rev share. You're getting double money getting 1:27:48.800 --> 1:27:53.320 money from getting rev share. People would pay for this. 1:27:53.360 --> 1:27:57.200 I'll be entertained right now that I would be this interesting. 1:27:58.600 --> 1:28:01.840 We have covered like zero point ship per cent yet 1:28:02.040 --> 1:28:03.600 I mean, well, I know we're never going to get you. 1:28:03.640 --> 1:28:05.640 Let's get but the beauty of it is people just 1:28:05.640 --> 1:28:08.920 go watch your stuff. This is a teaser, Yeah, but 1:28:09.080 --> 1:28:10.439 I do want I want to get to the current. 1:28:10.479 --> 1:28:12.600 I want I just on a personal curiosity. I just 1:28:12.640 --> 1:28:14.360 want to know where the wood market sits right now. 1:28:14.760 --> 1:28:17.080 Kenny's area work. Like he said, people are burning wood 1:28:17.120 --> 1:28:21.400 to save money, and there's wood everywhere. Yeah, I live 1:28:21.400 --> 1:28:23.479 in a very wood rich area and there's no people 1:28:23.760 --> 1:28:28.200 and their brother has everybody. Every people that are there 1:28:28.280 --> 1:28:30.840 want to save money. They all got chainsaws, they all 1:28:30.880 --> 1:28:32.920 got a brother that's a logger. I mean, I worked 1:28:32.960 --> 1:28:35.360 with loggers and truckers. I've been in the wood business 1:28:35.400 --> 1:28:38.000 my whole life. But they either aren't capable of producing 1:28:38.000 --> 1:28:40.120 more wood because they're getting older, or they run out 1:28:40.120 --> 1:28:43.639 of wood, or they underestimated their needs that kind of stuff. 1:28:43.680 --> 1:28:46.719 So he will sell wood to people that just don't. 1:28:47.000 --> 1:28:48.800 They like wood heat and they want their wood heat. 1:28:49.080 --> 1:28:51.080 I heat my house with wood, and if I don't 1:28:51.120 --> 1:28:53.120 have a fire going in the furnace, it's like my 1:28:53.160 --> 1:28:56.760 house is cold. It's the thermostat says seventy, but it's 1:28:56.800 --> 1:28:58.880 not seventy, and every score inch at alls it's like 1:28:58.920 --> 1:29:01.320 it's seventy over there, but it's like shixty over here. 1:29:01.360 --> 1:29:06.479 It's like with wood heat, it's everywhere, it's most stared answer. 1:29:06.960 --> 1:29:14.160 So I'm trying to dig it back in his area. Uh, 1:29:14.320 --> 1:29:18.120 seventy to nine dollars per face cord or rick or 1:29:18.160 --> 1:29:21.479 third of a cord, whichever you prefer. In our area, 1:29:21.560 --> 1:29:24.080 it's a face card. Okay, it's a face card. Everybody 1:29:24.080 --> 1:29:26.439 buys in face courts. Yes. So if I'm a normal 1:29:26.479 --> 1:29:30.240 person and I say I need five chords for the winner, 1:29:30.600 --> 1:29:35.080 you have to then go like face cards. I didn't 1:29:35.080 --> 1:29:38.920 say face court. He's going to ask you that. When 1:29:38.960 --> 1:29:41.519 you say that, I'm asking you, I would have said. 1:29:41.680 --> 1:29:46.840 I would have said with the customer, I'm not calling you, 1:29:47.240 --> 1:29:49.720 calling Kenny because I'm in I'm in there, I'm up there, 1:29:49.720 --> 1:29:52.320 and where you're at, I'd like to buy five chords 1:29:52.360 --> 1:29:57.120 for the winner. Okay, So are you talking full cards 1:29:57.200 --> 1:30:01.400 or face cards? What did I say? You said five courts. 1:30:01.760 --> 1:30:05.240 I need to know what is your definition of a 1:30:05.360 --> 1:30:07.920 court because I'm gonna ask you that because I do 1:30:08.040 --> 1:30:10.559 have customers that have cabins. So I see a lot 1:30:10.600 --> 1:30:12.720 of people like cabins. They buy wood for me like 1:30:12.760 --> 1:30:14.880 every other year because they come up to their cabinet 1:30:14.920 --> 1:30:18.000 winner they want to go snowmobiling. Then people actually pay 1:30:18.200 --> 1:30:20.840 pretty good because they you know, they got their half man, 1:30:20.840 --> 1:30:23.200 they want to rick. They got their half million dollar 1:30:24.200 --> 1:30:27.760 you know cabin. You know that they come snowbilling twice 1:30:27.760 --> 1:30:29.320 a year, two and they want they want to have 1:30:29.400 --> 1:30:31.640 nice dry wood there. So I do have some of 1:30:31.640 --> 1:30:34.320 those customers. So I gotta find out if they know 1:30:34.360 --> 1:30:37.760 what a chord is. They're not a court and then okay, 1:30:37.760 --> 1:30:40.559 coming from let's go back to the role play. Okay again, 1:30:40.600 --> 1:30:43.519 here we go sideways like five courts. No, we're gonna 1:30:43.520 --> 1:30:47.680 get there fast, straight, no commentary, straight role play. Hi, 1:30:48.360 --> 1:30:51.280 I would like to buy five chords of hardwood, split 1:30:51.360 --> 1:30:54.560 and dried. And I'm gonna say once again, is it 1:30:54.760 --> 1:30:58.800 a face cord is four ft by eight four eight 1:30:58.840 --> 1:31:02.479 ft long? Sixteen inch? Is that what you call a courd? No, sir, 1:31:02.600 --> 1:31:06.320 I'm talking about a full cord. Three face cords. That's 1:31:06.320 --> 1:31:09.200 you want, fifteen face cards? That's five. That's how you 1:31:09.240 --> 1:31:12.720 need to think about it, sir. Yes, I'd like it 1:31:12.720 --> 1:31:19.640 to be split, dried, hardwood delivered. Okay, So where is 1:31:19.680 --> 1:31:23.240 your Where are you? How far are you from? Next door? Oh? 1:31:23.360 --> 1:31:27.760 Next door, that's easy. That's gonna be two bucks a load. 1:31:28.240 --> 1:31:32.080 That's five loads. Do the math? Oh my god, god, 1:31:32.080 --> 1:31:39.559 the wood business got complicated. Well again five times? What 1:31:39.600 --> 1:31:43.280 did I say? Fifteen times? Whatever you're going Ray, let's 1:31:43.280 --> 1:31:47.479 approach you. I say to you, I'm coming to pick 1:31:47.560 --> 1:31:52.880 up a full chord of split and dry hardwood. How 1:31:53.040 --> 1:32:00.639 much is it Your definition is going to be to forty? Okay, 1:32:00.680 --> 1:32:03.880 that's all I want to know. Your definition it's increased 1:32:03.920 --> 1:32:09.960 by it's increased two points. Cheap wood my area, it's different. 1:32:09.960 --> 1:32:12.920 If you go to Chicago, it's way different. That's why 1:32:12.920 --> 1:32:15.960 I'm gonna explain he's three sixty for that same load. Yeah, 1:32:16.080 --> 1:32:18.439 I'm at two forty. He's at three sixties, so it's 1:32:18.520 --> 1:32:20.840 three point six. I asked from when I was a kid, right, 1:32:20.880 --> 1:32:24.599 I have more people, fewer trees. I know a guy 1:32:24.640 --> 1:32:27.200 who has one of the biggest firewood businesses in the 1:32:27.240 --> 1:32:31.240 state of Wisconsin. It's called Frank's. He sends two to 1:32:31.360 --> 1:32:38.519 three semi loads every single day to Chicago eight d accord. 1:32:39.479 --> 1:32:45.600 Holy sh it, man, just employees. Well, well, then I 1:32:45.600 --> 1:32:50.240 gotta I mean, there's gas, but trucking and trucking is huge. 1:32:50.920 --> 1:32:53.240 I can't. I can't sell him would for what I 1:32:53.280 --> 1:32:55.240 sell for him to come get it and sell it 1:32:55.320 --> 1:32:58.600 for what he does it's all lost in transportation. You 1:32:58.680 --> 1:33:02.960 can't move whatever. It's free. Okay, let's jump along with 1:33:03.560 --> 1:33:05.439 the field. Have been running five dollars a gallon up 1:33:05.479 --> 1:33:17.880 till recently and it's still over flour by us. Once 1:33:17.920 --> 1:33:20.439 you got out of the wood you're going and sorry, 1:33:20.479 --> 1:33:22.439 once you got in the woodyard going, which is such 1:33:22.439 --> 1:33:27.559 a novel idea. Um are there other? Were there? Other 1:33:27.720 --> 1:33:34.160 people like producing regular content on YouTube that was about 1:33:34.200 --> 1:33:36.960 the wood business, yes, but not as niche as what 1:33:37.080 --> 1:33:40.360 I went with it, and not I could see him 1:33:40.400 --> 1:33:44.120 doing like some fancy pants with stuff. Yeah that that, 1:33:44.240 --> 1:33:47.800 and just a lot of lifestyle type reality show kind 1:33:47.800 --> 1:33:51.400 of things or bringing in their everyday activities along with 1:33:51.439 --> 1:33:54.280 all of it. Like, but I myself, I just went 1:33:54.360 --> 1:33:56.840 with it the way I wanted to do it. I 1:33:56.880 --> 1:33:59.559 wanted to do it where it was focused on one 1:33:59.600 --> 1:34:02.920 top and what it took to do that, and beginning 1:34:02.960 --> 1:34:05.280 to end all the details because the magic is always 1:34:05.280 --> 1:34:07.759 a new details. People want to know the difference between 1:34:07.760 --> 1:34:13.920 a face cord and a full cord every day, it's 1:34:13.920 --> 1:34:17.120 all the time. So um, I just I really wanted 1:34:17.120 --> 1:34:19.080 a niche because I did a lot of studying on 1:34:19.400 --> 1:34:23.040 YouTube by watching people that are experts in the industry 1:34:23.160 --> 1:34:26.280 of education in YouTube telling people how to do it 1:34:26.400 --> 1:34:31.120 right and niching down and getting more specific is better, Um, 1:34:31.160 --> 1:34:34.040 because the audience is going to come to you for 1:34:34.120 --> 1:34:37.080 that particular topic. And if you start talking about your 1:34:37.080 --> 1:34:40.160 trip to them all you're listening, You're not talking to 1:34:40.280 --> 1:34:45.000 m a you will Yeah, I'm talking to yeah, yeah. Yeah. 1:34:45.520 --> 1:34:49.640 So it's it's uh, it's a big difference. Uh. And 1:34:49.840 --> 1:34:52.760 people people are there in that particular audience, and yeah, 1:34:52.760 --> 1:34:54.800 they may have some common interests. A lot of fire 1:34:54.800 --> 1:34:57.840 with people are hunters, they are fishermen, they are outdoors people, 1:34:57.920 --> 1:35:00.559 but not all of them, someone like of them. There's 1:35:00.560 --> 1:35:02.040 a lot of them. Yeah, some of my people that 1:35:02.120 --> 1:35:04.719 watch me, and I've got people from fifty five countries 1:35:04.720 --> 1:35:07.480 that watched that tell me. You know, I do firewood, 1:35:07.600 --> 1:35:09.840 but I'm not a hunter. I'm a vegan and I 1:35:09.920 --> 1:35:12.559 appreciate you doing that and I'm okay with it because 1:35:12.600 --> 1:35:15.679 I like your content. So, but if I start showing 1:35:16.520 --> 1:35:18.760 hunting stuff on there, it's gonna turn them off right now. 1:35:19.320 --> 1:35:22.360 This is not what they came for exactly. Like if 1:35:22.360 --> 1:35:24.439 I had like a thing where I put lego shipped together, 1:35:24.720 --> 1:35:26.960 I wouldn't start splitting firewood on it. My son has 1:35:26.960 --> 1:35:33.520 that change. Yes, he's got he's got a YouTube Lego chanl. Yeah, 1:35:33.560 --> 1:35:35.880 it's called red Rick Studs. He just started it. How 1:35:35.920 --> 1:35:40.240 old are you guys? I'm sixty and in two months? 1:35:40.560 --> 1:35:43.960 You guys married? Yeah, we're ten, ten months and two 1:35:44.000 --> 1:35:48.080 days apart. How long he has been married? Me? I'm 1:35:48.080 --> 1:35:51.479 in the second round? Twelve years? Second round? Here? How 1:35:51.520 --> 1:35:55.960 much you added up? Thirty seven? That's good. I get 1:35:56.000 --> 1:36:00.880 thirty eight in with one three kids, same as you, boy, girl, boy, 1:36:01.240 --> 1:36:04.800 it's great. I started out twenty five years first round 1:36:04.840 --> 1:36:09.840 and I'm on twelve or so. You hit silver there whatever. 1:36:09.920 --> 1:36:12.200 I pointed out that my father hit silver with two 1:36:12.240 --> 1:36:17.840 different people. It's like a model of loyalty. Right, I 1:36:17.880 --> 1:36:20.360 got seven, We got seven kids, so but they're all 1:36:20.360 --> 1:36:24.280 growing and going, thank God. So tell me, after you 1:36:24.360 --> 1:36:27.400 got the in the woodyard, how did it occur to 1:36:27.400 --> 1:36:29.840 you to start doing out of the woodyard? Well, because 1:36:29.880 --> 1:36:32.599 that was my that was my introduction, right, yeah, yeah, 1:36:32.840 --> 1:36:34.880 I'm gonna back up just a little bit so you 1:36:34.920 --> 1:36:38.040 get the context of it. So when I would drop 1:36:38.080 --> 1:36:40.320 these videos that weren't would related, I saw a big 1:36:40.400 --> 1:36:45.880 drop in viewers and you know, per video basis knowing 1:36:45.920 --> 1:36:47.439 that YouTube didn't know what to do with it because 1:36:47.439 --> 1:36:48.720 they didn't know what to do with the content, and 1:36:48.760 --> 1:36:50.479 being that we're outdoors people, I thought, yeah, I'll just 1:36:50.520 --> 1:36:52.320 separated out. My son told me too, was the I 1:36:52.360 --> 1:36:55.160 t guys said yeah, if you keep it more pure, 1:36:56.200 --> 1:36:59.000 the algorithm will know what to do with it. And 1:36:59.240 --> 1:37:02.080 I wanted to do content just to put it somewhere else. 1:37:02.120 --> 1:37:04.839 So I started doing the the trapping and the noodling 1:37:05.040 --> 1:37:07.479 catfish noodling. And you want to go noodling? We know, 1:37:08.640 --> 1:37:13.760 I watched you. I want to go, mentioned me last night. 1:37:15.160 --> 1:37:16.519 Have done it yet? I want to try it. I 1:37:16.600 --> 1:37:21.840 like fishing catfish, but it's a rush. It's a rush. Um. Yeah. 1:37:21.960 --> 1:37:24.720 So we separated out, and I haven't done as much 1:37:24.720 --> 1:37:26.439 too it as I wanted to because I've been so busy. 1:37:26.840 --> 1:37:28.800 And part of the reason why I haven't is in 1:37:28.880 --> 1:37:31.960 the last three months, I was basically evicted from where 1:37:31.960 --> 1:37:35.599 my woodyard was. I wasn't evicted, but I got noticed 1:37:35.640 --> 1:37:37.960 that it wasn't up to code and wasn't in covenants 1:37:37.960 --> 1:37:40.200 of what I could do. I'm in a commercial location, 1:37:40.479 --> 1:37:42.679 and I assumed I was okay, but I wasn't you 1:37:42.800 --> 1:37:46.719 knew you were kind of well. The developer was okay 1:37:46.800 --> 1:37:49.040 with it. He didn't have a problem. Nobody else said 1:37:49.080 --> 1:37:51.519 anything for ten years. But it got bigger and bigger, 1:37:51.520 --> 1:37:54.559 and I got the big machinery. And then the neighbor said, um, 1:37:54.680 --> 1:37:56.080 I just put a parking lot and it cost me 1:37:56.080 --> 1:37:58.439 a hundred and eighty grand. He said, I know you're 1:37:58.479 --> 1:38:00.760 not under covenants because you have to hard surface which 1:38:00.800 --> 1:38:03.880 is either black topp or gravel underneyth any materials outside. 1:38:04.840 --> 1:38:07.479 So and he said, and fancying And he said, I 1:38:07.479 --> 1:38:15.040 don't like the way it looks. No. Yeah, man, luckily, Yeah, 1:38:15.120 --> 1:38:18.400 we know what you know. This guy you're talking about, 1:38:18.439 --> 1:38:20.400 he might love his family and be a great American. 1:38:21.200 --> 1:38:23.840 But that's the thing I don't get, man. You know, 1:38:23.920 --> 1:38:29.760 I don't understand. I would rather I like my ship tidy, 1:38:30.080 --> 1:38:32.759 neat and tidy. I would rather all of my neighbors 1:38:33.880 --> 1:38:38.680 had total ship holes. So you look good because if 1:38:38.720 --> 1:38:41.120 I like, they're gonna be less likely to care. If 1:38:41.160 --> 1:38:44.559 if my kids are messing around, I'm more likely to 1:38:44.560 --> 1:38:48.120 find something I might need. Mm hmm. Yeah, there's more 1:38:48.200 --> 1:38:50.000 likely there's gonna be a bunch of cotton tail rabbits 1:38:50.479 --> 1:38:53.040 hanging out and all their junk. It's like there's nothing, 1:38:53.080 --> 1:38:55.920 but like, I would rather everyone around me had a 1:38:56.000 --> 1:38:58.879 junkyard and then my stuff was in the middle. Perfect. 1:38:59.000 --> 1:39:01.760 But I'm guessing that that's not the perspective that your 1:39:01.800 --> 1:39:07.560 neighbor has. No, he's jealous. It's an industrial part. I 1:39:07.600 --> 1:39:11.040 mean it's not. Yeah, I mean he didn't do it 1:39:11.040 --> 1:39:13.680 because he doesn't like the way your yard looks. Come on, well, 1:39:13.760 --> 1:39:16.400 no he did. Really, you don't think he did it 1:39:16.439 --> 1:39:17.840 because he was like, well, if I had to pay, 1:39:17.880 --> 1:39:20.920 he does too. Maybe. No, I think it's kind of 1:39:20.920 --> 1:39:24.000 a combination. He's a it's an electrical engineering place, and 1:39:24.160 --> 1:39:26.439 they bring people in from all over the world for 1:39:26.520 --> 1:39:28.559 what they do, and they have government contracts. It's a 1:39:28.560 --> 1:39:31.639 big deal. And he just did his place must look 1:39:31.680 --> 1:39:33.880 next to your plans. What I always thought he'd be like, hey, 1:39:33.479 --> 1:39:37.040 you can how authentic it is. Welcome to Wisconsin. Yah. Yeah, 1:39:37.080 --> 1:39:39.680 everybody splits water around here, look at this guy. That's 1:39:39.720 --> 1:39:41.519 what most people think. Most people say that. All the 1:39:41.520 --> 1:39:43.640 people watch my channel thought it was like ridiculous, But 1:39:43.640 --> 1:39:48.560 I got a better deal now improved. It's improved. Tremendously 1:39:48.560 --> 1:39:50.719 once again, one more reason. I don't have a processor 1:39:50.760 --> 1:39:52.559 in my place here. Yeah, so that's what slowed me 1:39:52.600 --> 1:39:54.960 down from doing more content on my out of the way. 1:39:54.960 --> 1:39:58.320 You don't back to your original question about out about 1:39:58.320 --> 1:40:00.479 your property. I had to move you how to move? 1:40:00.560 --> 1:40:03.240 You don't realize how much crap you accumulate. Had ten 1:40:03.320 --> 1:40:07.599 years of firewood stuff to get out of. There's a lot. Yeah, 1:40:07.600 --> 1:40:09.880 it was a lot. So let's slow you down on 1:40:09.960 --> 1:40:12.080 your outdoor content three or four months. Yeah. I put 1:40:12.080 --> 1:40:15.400 me behind a production everything. Yeah. So yeah, and then 1:40:15.560 --> 1:40:18.240 Kenny and I started doing the trapping thing since we 1:40:18.240 --> 1:40:20.360 were kids, and I always thought it would we need 1:40:20.439 --> 1:40:22.760 to have it where we would show people what we do, 1:40:22.880 --> 1:40:26.920 because I mean I trapped when we were younger with Ken. 1:40:27.160 --> 1:40:30.320 Grandpa was a professional trap actually a great camp we're 1:40:30.360 --> 1:40:35.800 fourth generation. He was professional beaver trapper, everything everything, trapper, 1:40:35.880 --> 1:40:40.360 mentals in the summer, Yeah, summer I was reading about that, 1:40:40.439 --> 1:40:43.519 the mental thing because he was a baitman. Yes, I 1:40:43.560 --> 1:40:45.439 did that too. I grew up doing it. We worked 1:40:45.439 --> 1:40:47.720 for him, that's we did. We sold live bait in 1:40:47.760 --> 1:40:50.759 the summer. We worked for him every summer in mentals 1:40:50.800 --> 1:40:52.920 and well he sold mentals. We just help them. What 1:40:53.000 --> 1:40:55.599 did do? Like the leeches, wigglers all out just like 1:40:57.760 --> 1:41:00.000 we pick crawlers. That was our division time at ring, 1:41:00.000 --> 1:41:03.760 and we picked the crawlers. Man, I tell they had 1:41:03.760 --> 1:41:05.360 a broken back when I was so you'd go out 1:41:05.640 --> 1:41:08.759 like in the spring on a rainy night, crawlers until 1:41:08.800 --> 1:41:11.040 you couldn't move no more, until my mom would find 1:41:11.120 --> 1:41:13.479 us and say get them. You got school to school starts. 1:41:13.800 --> 1:41:16.320 We're out their home. Nine we're making we're making buck. 1:41:16.400 --> 1:41:19.599 You know, two cents a nightcrawler, man cents a dozen. Man, 1:41:19.680 --> 1:41:23.080 that's big money. Back then, you don't realize just out 1:41:23.080 --> 1:41:26.639 in the cornfield and the rains, Norman, all of everybody's yard, 1:41:26.640 --> 1:41:29.240 everybody's front yards. You know what, everybody had a yard 1:41:29.840 --> 1:41:32.960 taking out their front yards the right. They come home 1:41:33.000 --> 1:41:37.200 at night, they crawl, They come out the nightcrawlers. Not 1:41:37.320 --> 1:41:42.400 at night. Oh man, you get like May May, early June, 1:41:42.439 --> 1:41:45.160 you can get a real goldie washer. Rains don't come 1:41:45.479 --> 1:41:48.400 at night, come off the breeze. And did it to 1:41:48.680 --> 1:41:52.960 have to twisted simultaneously or can you just any night better? 1:41:53.000 --> 1:41:57.320 One night it brings them out and they start making 1:41:57.360 --> 1:42:01.200 love and twisted up. That's a double man. You can 1:42:01.200 --> 1:42:04.439 grab them and they don't get away as good when 1:42:04.479 --> 1:42:11.519 they're locked up like a couple of dogs. Get them both. 1:42:11.880 --> 1:42:16.320 It's a nightcrawler man. That's a great business. I mean. 1:42:16.439 --> 1:42:19.960 So he was a batman and he contracted with bait stores. 1:42:20.439 --> 1:42:23.719 Well he he, Well, he had a route up actually 1:42:23.720 --> 1:42:26.599 where I live. See, Okay, back in them days, people 1:42:26.600 --> 1:42:28.680 would go up north and they'd stay out a resort. Right, 1:42:29.080 --> 1:42:30.600 there's a lot of resorts on a lake or on 1:42:30.640 --> 1:42:33.519 a river or whatever. Well, the resort owner would have 1:42:33.640 --> 1:42:35.920 cabins and people would come stay there and they're gonna 1:42:35.920 --> 1:42:39.280 go fishing. They'd have rentals, canoe rentals. Well, they don't 1:42:39.320 --> 1:42:41.200 want to have to go someplace and catch bait to 1:42:41.200 --> 1:42:43.120 go fishing, because back then it was all live bait, 1:42:43.160 --> 1:42:45.280 you know. People didn't have all these fancy things, you know, 1:42:46.080 --> 1:42:50.679 so they fished with minimals. He would sell to the 1:42:50.720 --> 1:42:53.719 resort owners. He would make a weekly run every Friday. 1:42:53.760 --> 1:42:56.200 He would drive up north hundred and fifty miles and 1:42:56.280 --> 1:43:02.680 sell hundreds of dozens. Yeah yeah, yeah, gallons by the 1:43:02.720 --> 1:43:05.360 gallon of the Gwadays it's by the gallon whatever. But yeah, 1:43:05.360 --> 1:43:07.519 he had a he had a five hundred gallon tank 1:43:07.560 --> 1:43:09.320 on the back of the truck. And then was he 1:43:09.400 --> 1:43:12.280 just dealing in one? Was he doing like chubs, fat 1:43:12.960 --> 1:43:17.320 shiners all of that. Mud Mintos was the big thing 1:43:17.960 --> 1:43:20.240 because they lived long. Mud I don't know if you 1:43:20.280 --> 1:43:23.120 know what a mud mento was, but they live anywhere 1:43:23.160 --> 1:43:25.519 and they live like a polylog and a mud puddler. Tough. 1:43:25.600 --> 1:43:28.160 You can't hardly kill them. And i'd probably know what 1:43:28.160 --> 1:43:29.479 if I was looking at it, I probably know it. 1:43:29.880 --> 1:43:34.599 An You know what we used to call those, We'd 1:43:34.640 --> 1:43:40.679 call them tiger minns. Yeah, well, them were in high 1:43:40.680 --> 1:43:44.080 demand and where he lived, he caught lots of them, 1:43:44.240 --> 1:43:47.040 and people really want them because they would last. You 1:43:47.040 --> 1:43:49.639 could buy one week and two weeks later still alive, 1:43:50.200 --> 1:43:53.240 So all your shiners, your suckers, your all your fat 1:43:53.320 --> 1:43:55.880 heads and all that. He always called them soft bait 1:43:56.000 --> 1:43:57.920 because they had to be in a tank with an aerator. 1:43:58.400 --> 1:43:59.760 Where's a mud man when you can throw it? The 1:43:59.800 --> 1:44:02.519 pay live a week later, so off bait. You got 1:44:02.520 --> 1:44:05.240 about up half hour things dead. So he was a 1:44:05.240 --> 1:44:08.120 bait trapper and a fur trapper. Yes, he did meddles 1:44:08.160 --> 1:44:11.080 in the summer, trapped in the winter mostly and you 1:44:11.120 --> 1:44:14.439 were brought up around that. Ye. Yeah, So at eight 1:44:14.479 --> 1:44:17.000 years old and he was seven, we started trapping muskrats. 1:44:17.720 --> 1:44:20.679 And you guys got heavy duty in the muskrats. Oh yeah, 1:44:20.720 --> 1:44:22.800 we did. We went out west da quotas we went 1:44:22.880 --> 1:44:25.200 north Dakota, South da Quota. Man, we slayed him. We 1:44:25.200 --> 1:44:27.559 we hit that, We hit it. I mean when we 1:44:27.560 --> 1:44:29.640 were out there was as I haven't, man, it was 1:44:30.920 --> 1:44:35.120 high water, so high water and high water high population 1:44:35.400 --> 1:44:38.840 populations boomed, and you could almost hop from a rat 1:44:38.880 --> 1:44:41.639 house the rat house. I mean it. I went out 1:44:41.680 --> 1:44:45.000 there one fall or no spring spring, went out there 1:44:45.000 --> 1:44:48.000 in the spring by myself and somebody's They were all 1:44:48.000 --> 1:44:50.439 we were all trapping them together, but separately. You know. 1:44:50.479 --> 1:44:52.519 We're all stayed at the same place and trapped the 1:44:52.560 --> 1:44:56.320 same area. I went out there. Well, for perspective, we 1:44:56.400 --> 1:45:00.320 used to trap in school. We would take our big ocation, 1:45:00.560 --> 1:45:05.479 well not vacation, when trapping season open. Our parents would 1:45:05.560 --> 1:45:10.400 let us take off at school. Cool trapping because back 1:45:10.439 --> 1:45:13.000 in the seventies and them days, a muskrat was like 1:45:13.040 --> 1:45:18.800 eight bucks. My dad, my dad was working in the 1:45:18.840 --> 1:45:21.599 paper mill making two dollars an hour at the same time, 1:45:22.400 --> 1:45:23.840 so we'd go out in a week and catch a 1:45:23.920 --> 1:45:27.080 hundred hundred fifty muskrats. We'd have our money for the 1:45:27.080 --> 1:45:30.360 whole year in that week. So I mean the plus 1:45:30.479 --> 1:45:32.760 we were catching coon for thirty bucks a piece. I 1:45:32.760 --> 1:45:36.200 mean the fur market was high in comparison. There were 1:45:36.280 --> 1:45:39.000 guys buying brand new pickups every year on their trapping money. 1:45:39.400 --> 1:45:42.320 Are weaker, okay, then, son, you've got a big crash 1:45:42.400 --> 1:45:45.360 in the market for many years. So an hour fast 1:45:45.400 --> 1:45:48.400 forward to two thousand and ten, two thousand nine, I 1:45:48.400 --> 1:45:50.880 think it went. That's what the trappers Stu Miller calls 1:45:51.040 --> 1:45:55.679 his generations for Boom to separate it from the late seventies, 1:45:55.680 --> 1:46:00.479 early eight them. So we've got out out into the 1:46:00.520 --> 1:46:03.360 quota as we found out about these rats in this population. 1:46:03.439 --> 1:46:07.040 Boom and I went out there in two weeks and 1:46:07.080 --> 1:46:11.840 I caught two thousand muskrats. Find himself. I just about 1:46:12.000 --> 1:46:16.160 killed me, just about killed me. Was it just all 1:46:16.240 --> 1:46:21.080 like were you just uh running like just wired up 1:46:21.360 --> 1:46:27.320 leg holds on feedbeds, well different different, different style. It springs. 1:46:27.479 --> 1:46:30.320 Everything was flooded. I mean there was I was catching muskrats. 1:46:30.320 --> 1:46:32.439 It had burrowed under the black top. The roads were 1:46:32.439 --> 1:46:35.400 given in. He was driving down roads for like a mile, 1:46:35.640 --> 1:46:38.080 you're driving through water for a mile. The roads are closed, 1:46:38.080 --> 1:46:41.240 but the town guys are like killing muskrats because they're 1:46:41.320 --> 1:46:45.840 undermining the roads, like banks trap. And I set a 1:46:45.880 --> 1:46:47.719 trap for me to you off the road, and hundreds 1:46:47.760 --> 1:46:49.720 of them down right down the ditch for miles and 1:46:49.800 --> 1:46:52.680 miles in the population. I never saw nothing like it. 1:46:52.680 --> 1:46:54.799 It was like an infest. We talked to two kids 1:46:55.000 --> 1:46:56.840 when we were out there, and that went to a 1:46:56.880 --> 1:46:58.960 movie one night. They came out of the movie theater. 1:46:59.080 --> 1:47:01.280 This is in a little time when we're trapping by 1:47:01.479 --> 1:47:03.400 with golf clubs. The two of them killed a hundred 1:47:03.439 --> 1:47:09.479 muskrats on Main Street. Okay, so no here on top 1:47:09.560 --> 1:47:18.040 of this market peaked right then. It was it, and 1:47:18.080 --> 1:47:20.320 we didn't know it because we sent our for auction 1:47:20.360 --> 1:47:21.760 the first time I was out when I had that 1:47:21.840 --> 1:47:26.760 first two thousand, and you put them all up. Yeah, well, 1:47:26.880 --> 1:47:28.880 I actually I end up selling some in the carcass 1:47:28.920 --> 1:47:32.439 because I could not keep up skinning. I never never 1:47:32.479 --> 1:47:34.280 come home with two hundred muskrats in a day in 1:47:34.320 --> 1:47:39.240 my life, you know, unbelievable. So so what I did 1:47:39.280 --> 1:47:41.519 bring home I put up. We sent them off to auction, 1:47:42.439 --> 1:47:44.960 and we thought we're going to get you know, maybe 1:47:44.960 --> 1:47:50.280 five bucks, maybe six bucks. They went to ten. It 1:47:50.360 --> 1:47:53.599 was like and then after that they went I got 1:47:53.680 --> 1:47:59.719 four a piece. When you're catching hundreds of thousands fast, 1:47:59.800 --> 1:48:02.040 it is real money. That was fun. So then he 1:48:02.040 --> 1:48:06.639 found out he was I'm going with you, So we did. 1:48:06.720 --> 1:48:11.479 We went out that next fall time at it. Well, 1:48:11.520 --> 1:48:13.559 I'll tell you what. Before I went out the first time, 1:48:13.720 --> 1:48:18.040 I probably spent three thousand dollars scouting hotels, mileage driving, 1:48:18.200 --> 1:48:22.559 finding the spots, getting permission, permission, not gonna gets I mean, 1:48:22.600 --> 1:48:24.880 there was a lot of research. I didn't just show up, 1:48:24.920 --> 1:48:27.120 you know, but because legally there you got to get 1:48:27.160 --> 1:48:30.680 permission and you have to have written permission. Because we 1:48:30.720 --> 1:48:32.640 got stopped by a couple of boardings and you have 1:48:32.680 --> 1:48:34.760 to have your paperwork, and we had our paperwork. But 1:48:34.800 --> 1:48:36.960 they were like, we don't kill them all. We did 1:48:37.000 --> 1:48:39.040 all that for nothing, you know. But but we were 1:48:39.080 --> 1:48:40.760 all legal, big old And you know, we had a 1:48:40.760 --> 1:48:42.800 guy who stayed on his farm, you know, like yeah, 1:48:43.000 --> 1:48:45.680 camp out, staying the barners a heated quantity and this 1:48:45.760 --> 1:48:47.880 is how good it was. We stayed at a guy's place, 1:48:47.920 --> 1:48:50.280 he let us. Let us. Well, the first guy we stopped, 1:48:50.320 --> 1:48:53.479 he said, yeah, since we got Marsha's all around, are 1:48:53.479 --> 1:48:55.439 you contrapping? And stay right at my place? He said, 1:48:55.640 --> 1:48:57.320 we have duck hunters coming. Stay And you said you 1:48:57.360 --> 1:49:00.320 could use my shed for working. And I said, well, 1:49:00.320 --> 1:49:02.240 how much land do you had? He goes, oh, seven, 1:49:02.680 --> 1:49:05.600 maybe eight? I said, what hundred acres? He said, no, sessions, 1:49:06.280 --> 1:49:11.040 that's a small. My neighbor down the road he's got twenty. 1:49:11.120 --> 1:49:12.559 He said, he'll let you trap two. And then my 1:49:12.560 --> 1:49:16.120 guys down the road the other way. This guy, this guy, 1:49:16.200 --> 1:49:19.080 everybody knew him. And if all we do is say 1:49:19.120 --> 1:49:23.519 his name, kill him. All you guys had a golden ticket. 1:49:24.040 --> 1:49:26.160 We had a golden ticket. We had a population, and 1:49:26.200 --> 1:49:27.840 the price was there all at one time, and that 1:49:27.960 --> 1:49:31.559 never happens, but it did. So then we went back 1:49:31.640 --> 1:49:34.800 the next spring and for three weeks, and my son 1:49:34.840 --> 1:49:37.439 had just gotten out of school. They graduated in the December. 1:49:37.520 --> 1:49:40.839 So we went back out during April. And he's skinned 1:49:40.840 --> 1:49:45.160 for us. That's all he did with skin. No skinning 1:49:45.160 --> 1:49:49.240 the muskrat. You've probably skinned one before. What time do 1:49:49.280 --> 1:49:50.880 you think for the skin one? Just to give you 1:49:50.920 --> 1:49:57.280 a reference. Not fast, I mean not three minutes, but 1:49:57.880 --> 1:49:59.920 not not like the people that are fast at it. Yeah, 1:50:00.200 --> 1:50:03.080 so we weren't fast either until we went out there, 1:50:02.680 --> 1:50:06.719 and you have to learn to survive. Cut down your movements. 1:50:07.240 --> 1:50:09.639 So I can skin one now in about twenty seconds, 1:50:09.680 --> 1:50:13.280 can't you can get it? Don't about his son anymore? 1:50:13.680 --> 1:50:17.559 Like twelve seconds? Really, are you guys doing that crazy 1:50:17.680 --> 1:50:19.559 over the knee ship. You're not doing it where you're 1:50:19.600 --> 1:50:21.400 hanging it by the tail. I do mind on the 1:50:21.479 --> 1:50:27.160 lap chester. It's it's so fast, it's it's basically taking 1:50:27.200 --> 1:50:29.960 a sock off. It's fast. I mean I don't have 1:50:30.000 --> 1:50:32.080 that speed. You gotta get repetition. I can remember because 1:50:32.120 --> 1:50:34.840 your hands gets so narrowed up from setting traps all day. 1:50:35.320 --> 1:50:37.439 You couldn't you couldn't squeeze the water out of a wester. 1:50:37.560 --> 1:50:40.960 His son was, His son was. So I took twenty 1:50:41.040 --> 1:50:42.759 rats because we would have to skin in the morning 1:50:42.800 --> 1:50:44.120 to get ahead, because we knew we were going to 1:50:44.160 --> 1:50:46.000 come home with a couple hundred more every day. So 1:50:46.040 --> 1:50:50.160 it's like we gotta finish up rest. You know. It 1:50:50.240 --> 1:50:54.280 took me every morning. My hands are limber up so 1:50:54.320 --> 1:50:57.800 I could actually make time. But generally, like at the 1:50:57.880 --> 1:50:59.400 end of the day, we sit down and we go 1:51:00.080 --> 1:51:02.720 there's a hundred left. We go, right, nothing, let's get 1:51:02.800 --> 1:51:05.679 them done. That's for three guys. That's like thirty minutes. 1:51:05.720 --> 1:51:08.400 It's done. But his sons skinned for us because we 1:51:08.439 --> 1:51:12.680 were catching three fifty three sixty three a day. And 1:51:13.120 --> 1:51:17.760 that was when I said I had skinned to pile them. 1:51:18.040 --> 1:51:21.559 I've skinned a pyleum, but meaning I've skinned like a 1:51:21.600 --> 1:51:25.160 few days worth of you guys catch. Well, here's all 1:51:25.200 --> 1:51:27.320 that guys doing this. I mean we were there. We 1:51:27.320 --> 1:51:29.560 weren't the only ones, but I'll tell you what with 1:51:29.720 --> 1:51:33.519 that area we were in, they were all from Wisconsin. Yeah, 1:51:34.080 --> 1:51:38.160 Wisconsin trapper. For some reason, I knew how to compete, 1:51:38.320 --> 1:51:39.880 kind of like when we go to South Dakota no 1:51:39.960 --> 1:51:42.639 deer hunting, we see Wisconsin plates everywhere. Yeah. I don't 1:51:42.800 --> 1:51:46.719 I don't know why people from Wisconsin have these certain 1:51:46.800 --> 1:51:49.280 weird stupid skills or I don't know if they're skills 1:51:49.360 --> 1:51:53.760 or desires or I don't training. I don't know that's 1:51:53.760 --> 1:51:58.800 why that is. But they're good rat trappers. Well we 1:51:58.840 --> 1:52:00.840 thought we were good until we want out there, but 1:52:00.880 --> 1:52:03.320 now we're good we're pretty good. No, I mean we 1:52:03.439 --> 1:52:07.680 developed I mean really quick, really quick. The rules are 1:52:07.680 --> 1:52:09.680 a lot more lax there too, as far as what 1:52:09.720 --> 1:52:12.719 you can and can't, Like in Wisconsin, everything that works 1:52:12.800 --> 1:52:16.479 really good is illegal. Oh there it was legals like, 1:52:16.479 --> 1:52:19.920 oh my god, we're in heaven man, like a comedy 1:52:19.920 --> 1:52:25.040 traps like me. It's like wow, Like in Wisconsin, comedy 1:52:25.040 --> 1:52:27.200 trap you can set it somewhere where it's in a run, 1:52:27.280 --> 1:52:29.280 but it can't be touching another colony trap. They have 1:52:29.320 --> 1:52:31.280 to be so many feet apart. It can only be 1:52:31.320 --> 1:52:34.280 in a certain area, whereas in the Dakotas and you 1:52:34.320 --> 1:52:38.240 can't move anywhere. We would fill the culverts with colony traps. 1:52:38.439 --> 1:52:40.439 Traps there has to come through and every morning you 1:52:40.520 --> 1:52:44.479 check you have twenty every day. And if you have 1:52:44.600 --> 1:52:46.240 to walk for like for me to you off the road, 1:52:46.320 --> 1:52:47.760 you just pull them out and you shop come out 1:52:47.760 --> 1:52:50.920 in a pile. It's just like well and in there 1:52:50.960 --> 1:52:53.679 so tight. Not another mush crack could get five six 1:52:53.760 --> 1:52:56.439 seven in each trap. You know how you set a 1:52:56.479 --> 1:53:00.599 one ten connover we got one. No, No, it was 1:53:00.800 --> 1:53:03.360 it was a mind blowing It was just and the 1:53:03.439 --> 1:53:06.640 people up there just hated him. Hated them because they're everywhere. 1:53:06.720 --> 1:53:09.200 And this is all that time when like people's half 1:53:09.240 --> 1:53:12.840 through silo was underwater and she was like, yes, trapped 1:53:12.840 --> 1:53:14.839 some farms. We trapped a lot of farms are underwater, 1:53:15.320 --> 1:53:19.360 just abandoned. Yeah, it was it was something. It was. 1:53:19.600 --> 1:53:22.280 So what keeps you guys going now on trapping since 1:53:22.320 --> 1:53:26.160 there is no for market trapping beaver? I live in 1:53:26.200 --> 1:53:29.600 a pretty good spot for beaver right, and we have 1:53:29.720 --> 1:53:32.160 heard that beaver now is coming back up because little 1:53:32.160 --> 1:53:34.960 bit is aig part of it. I had two fur 1:53:35.040 --> 1:53:38.040 buyers called me this week. Guys at that airport in Denver. Yesterday. 1:53:38.080 --> 1:53:43.080 When that fur buyer calls you, he says, I think 1:53:43.160 --> 1:53:48.679 we can make some talking. He says, we're gonna be talking. 1:53:49.840 --> 1:53:52.840 I said, you realize that, he says. He says, I 1:53:52.920 --> 1:53:55.800 know you guys caught over five hundred last spring. I said, yeah, 1:53:55.840 --> 1:53:59.920 we did. Um, I said, didn't guarantee we're gonna do 1:53:59.960 --> 1:54:02.920 that it again, depending on whether and you know, flood 1:54:03.000 --> 1:54:06.599 stage and prezolts and there's ten things that can go wrong. 1:54:06.640 --> 1:54:08.360 I said, well, we're gonna try like hell to match 1:54:08.400 --> 1:54:11.360 that in past years we did. Okay, we're getting any 1:54:11.760 --> 1:54:13.679 we made the money on Caster in the past years, 1:54:13.680 --> 1:54:16.400 the casters where the money was per beaver. We were 1:54:16.400 --> 1:54:20.160 getting six to eight bucks per beaver for Caster the cast. 1:54:20.439 --> 1:54:22.120 That market went down a little bit, right, a little bit, 1:54:22.120 --> 1:54:23.840 a little bit, but all the first coming up, so 1:54:23.880 --> 1:54:26.280 it's probably going to be a wash. I think we 1:54:26.320 --> 1:54:29.200 don't know. We haven't been promised any numbers yet. But 1:54:29.240 --> 1:54:31.720 we got to kill them first. And the thing is 1:54:31.720 --> 1:54:33.440 is a lot of places to be trapped. I mean 1:54:33.440 --> 1:54:37.240 they're flooding roads, whether it's you know, public land, private land. 1:54:37.840 --> 1:54:39.720 We've had people come to us and say, hey, you know, 1:54:39.920 --> 1:54:42.160 I can't get can't get through my driveway because it's 1:54:42.160 --> 1:54:45.080 flooded from beaver. And they're cool animal and everything, but 1:54:45.120 --> 1:54:47.240 it gets to a point where you got to send 1:54:47.280 --> 1:54:49.440 them a little and the market is low, which has 1:54:49.480 --> 1:54:53.120 been for quite a while, the population explodes. Yeah, that's 1:54:53.120 --> 1:54:56.160 been great for beavers, I mean the animals themselves. The 1:54:56.200 --> 1:54:59.320 lower market has been phenomenal. But all your problem beaver 1:54:59.600 --> 1:55:02.440 or general, really flooding out any kind of public role, 1:55:02.560 --> 1:55:05.920 they get killed, the government kills him. You're paying for it, 1:55:06.000 --> 1:55:08.600 your federal tax dollars paying for it. They got trappers, ouctor, 1:55:08.920 --> 1:55:10.880 your ound killing them being we do it for free. 1:55:11.280 --> 1:55:15.280 What's your teacher? Say this one? I got this for Christmas. 1:55:15.480 --> 1:55:19.919 That's good. Never underestimate an old man with a chainsaw. 1:55:20.440 --> 1:55:23.760 I got them for Christmas. Nice. Yeah. I got a 1:55:23.760 --> 1:55:25.960 beaver whisper one too, but I couldn't decide what you 1:55:26.000 --> 1:55:30.040 want to wear. My wife got me the beaver Whisperer one. 1:55:31.680 --> 1:55:35.480 Are you guys sticking around for the trivia show? Yeah? Sure, dude, 1:55:35.520 --> 1:55:38.640 I love you channel man. Thanks, Thanks, it's fun. It's 1:55:38.680 --> 1:55:42.160 been a real wild ride. When I first got into it, 1:55:42.160 --> 1:55:45.320 I thought, you know, I can make an extra five 1:55:45.400 --> 1:55:47.800 hundred thousand bucks a month. That was my goal. And 1:55:47.840 --> 1:55:52.160 I know people that were doing you're saying five thousand 1:55:52.800 --> 1:55:57.000 because you know, just for doing some videos or something 1:55:57.000 --> 1:55:59.440 I like to do. Yeah, I'm doing it anyway, but 1:55:59.560 --> 1:56:02.560 as well, So I started recording it and now it's 1:56:02.600 --> 1:56:06.320 turned into basically another job. But it's fun and I 1:56:06.360 --> 1:56:09.520 like it, and it's just growing. Yeah, the trapping and fire, 1:56:09.560 --> 1:56:12.000 which is stuff we've done her whole life. It's not 1:56:12.080 --> 1:56:14.240 a big deal. I always say to everybody, whatever your 1:56:14.240 --> 1:56:17.240 passion is, whatever you're really good at, whatever your talented at, 1:56:17.360 --> 1:56:20.320 start a YouTube channel. But put everything you got into it. 1:56:21.560 --> 1:56:26.400 You always say that to everybody, you know. There was 1:56:26.400 --> 1:56:29.200 a girl on the plane. On the plane, she looked 1:56:29.200 --> 1:56:31.520 me up. She's just as incredible. She's a big baker. 1:56:31.760 --> 1:56:34.800 She's here, she's here, she lives here, she lives here. Yeah, 1:56:35.160 --> 1:56:36.840 I told her, I said, started channel. I said, you 1:56:36.840 --> 1:56:39.720 do she does bread stuff like that? Started channel. I 1:56:39.760 --> 1:56:42.400 do have a loaf of bread in my Duffel bag. 1:56:42.560 --> 1:56:44.840 My wife sent for you. She's been making the seller. 1:56:45.360 --> 1:56:50.600 Oh no, ship, I got red flags because I don't 1:56:50.640 --> 1:56:52.840 know why, but she's been doing the seller does stuff 1:56:52.880 --> 1:56:55.200 that's great. Man. So they called an organic mass when 1:56:55.240 --> 1:56:59.760 they pulled you over, Well, it came through the scanner. 1:57:00.600 --> 1:57:04.000 What do you got interested? It's bread? Yeah, because I 1:57:04.000 --> 1:57:05.760 got I one time I had him say that there's 1:57:05.760 --> 1:57:10.160 an organic mass in your bag? Right? What was it? 1:57:10.200 --> 1:57:13.480 Was an elk tongue. Yeah, they can just tell when 1:57:13.480 --> 1:57:15.840 I zapp it that they can tell that. Well, I said, 1:57:15.920 --> 1:57:19.240 number the raisins and the races. I'm not kidding. You 1:57:19.240 --> 1:57:23.040 can see the raisins on the screen there. I told 1:57:23.080 --> 1:57:24.680 my wife, I said, I got pulled over by the 1:57:24.720 --> 1:57:28.200 t s A because that loafur freaking bread. You're gonna 1:57:28.200 --> 1:57:30.040 give it to me. Yeah, she made it for you. 1:57:30.360 --> 1:57:32.160 We got something else for you too. I got something 1:57:32.200 --> 1:57:35.520 else here too. Let's dig in. She said that's no way. 1:57:35.520 --> 1:57:37.440 I said, yeah, I said, t s A got me 1:57:37.440 --> 1:57:39.640 at the airport over your bread. You know I'm getting 1:57:39.680 --> 1:57:43.280 um tonight. I'm taking possession of of a sable hat 1:57:43.480 --> 1:57:46.520 that I had made for my wife. Nice because who 1:57:46.560 --> 1:57:51.200 sold it is Yanni's friend, Um, Yanni's friends Sueme, I justice, 1:57:52.000 --> 1:57:55.960 So is that how it said? So we've got two 1:57:56.000 --> 1:57:58.120 of them, whichever one fits you better. And I know 1:57:58.200 --> 1:58:00.240 you got one, but oh yeah, sorry, I know you 1:58:00.320 --> 1:58:02.880 got bread. That's your bread. You can give it to whoever. 1:58:03.320 --> 1:58:07.800 We got two different sizes. That's the Wisconsin beer. Well 1:58:07.960 --> 1:58:12.720 that's not that Janckie Montana stuff. That's a different style 1:58:12.760 --> 1:58:16.080 than Steve. Yeah, you can only wear it if it's 1:58:16.080 --> 1:58:19.600 ptable old because you will be sweating. That's they're so warm. 1:58:20.280 --> 1:58:22.080 What do you guys call that? That is so different? 1:58:22.120 --> 1:58:26.800 That that's so different Trooper feel the fur on that 1:58:26.880 --> 1:58:30.000 compared out here? Well, I don't. Well, you'll know when 1:58:32.320 --> 1:58:34.080 we've got some of the best beaver in the world 1:58:34.280 --> 1:58:36.840 where we live, where I live that's nice stuff. Incredible, man, 1:58:37.960 --> 1:58:42.320 that's nice boy. That black like that, that's not even black, 1:58:42.520 --> 1:58:44.960 that's just that's just dark. We get them black, We 1:58:45.000 --> 1:58:50.880 do get blacks. Yeah, well that's beautiful man. Yeah, you 1:58:50.880 --> 1:58:53.760 don't even for snowmobiling. Yeah, that's what I've been using. 1:58:53.840 --> 1:58:57.400 Mind for it. The world's greatest snowbill hat, ice fish 1:58:57.400 --> 1:59:01.160 and hat everybody should have. It's like all you ever 1:59:01.200 --> 1:59:04.160 watched the fur hat? Yes, I have. I saw a 1:59:04.160 --> 1:59:09.520 couple of dude that is like, put that on, and 1:59:09.600 --> 1:59:13.920 that is a warm There's nothing. There's nothing warmer than that. 1:59:14.120 --> 1:59:16.360 Nothing we'll have. Carmen tried it on because she needs 1:59:16.400 --> 1:59:18.880 one for a snowbile. This one might be the one 1:59:18.880 --> 1:59:23.280 for you. That's a big one. That's Carmen. Try that one. 1:59:24.600 --> 1:59:27.120 We allowed it is Carmen allowed to take one first one. No, no, no, 1:59:27.400 --> 1:59:35.000 I don't deserve that. That's that's yours. That's it looks good, 1:59:35.280 --> 1:59:42.400 that's yours. I gotta get with the flaps down, you know, 1:59:42.600 --> 1:59:48.200 but you know what your GoGG will stand yours. No, no, no, no, 1:59:48.240 --> 1:59:50.880 you gotta take that one. Take that one. You gotta 1:59:50.920 --> 1:59:54.280 do it. Yeah, Well it's good and means speaking of 1:59:54.360 --> 1:59:56.760 not hearing though when I put my goggles on. You know, 1:59:56.840 --> 1:59:59.360 snowobile is not good for your years, so kind of 1:59:59.440 --> 2:00:01.680 you know, for my kids always riding on the back 2:00:01.880 --> 2:00:04.640 talking about something. I'm like, do you understand I have 2:00:04.800 --> 2:00:07.080 a fur hat on and then I have my snow 2:00:07.360 --> 2:00:11.240 goggles strap over my ears. I don't know, and this 2:00:11.360 --> 2:00:17.040 machine is noisy. I don't know what you're talking. Aware 2:00:17.080 --> 2:00:19.680 that someone's talking. I need to take a picture of that. Yeah, 2:00:19.680 --> 2:00:24.200 we got to get all. This is a group phote on. 2:00:25.760 --> 2:00:27.880 When you start ripping around and then brand new snowmobiles 2:00:27.880 --> 2:00:30.760 that are coming your way already you go vision and style. No, 2:00:30.880 --> 2:00:33.520 I gotta tell you that when we do catch links 2:00:33.560 --> 2:00:39.640 because I'm going to be positive, we're going to h Yeah, 2:00:39.680 --> 2:00:42.840 I need a coat so no, you're standing there in 2:00:42.840 --> 2:00:44.840 the freezing cold for a long time, you start getting 2:00:44.840 --> 2:00:48.440 really cold, So this will be perfect. Do the little 2:00:49.040 --> 2:00:54.120 deally upfront pane? Well, the guy that makes them for me, 2:00:54.200 --> 2:00:56.440 that's the style he makes. I mean they make different, 2:00:56.480 --> 2:01:01.200 but these two are different, aren't they different? Same? Different size? 2:01:01.680 --> 2:01:03.800 That's three and that's the four. You know what I'm 2:01:03.800 --> 2:01:05.760 getting made right now is I'm getting ah I sent 2:01:05.840 --> 2:01:09.240 in some muskrats right now to Don Clifford, and he's 2:01:09.280 --> 2:01:11.840 doing me a muskrat one of these with a leather bill, 2:01:12.240 --> 2:01:14.080 because you know the sons just killing you can get 2:01:14.080 --> 2:01:15.920 those two. I mean, these are just the ones that 2:01:16.000 --> 2:01:19.000 I've always gotten. Everybody in my family's got him. All 2:01:19.040 --> 2:01:25.640 my kids got him, all my kids brings. But you 2:01:25.680 --> 2:01:28.920 put plucked and cheered on the inside. Well, there aren't 2:01:28.920 --> 2:01:31.360 plucked and sheered the that's just on the mittens. You 2:01:31.400 --> 2:01:33.400 put like a plucked and sheered It's just it's just 2:01:33.440 --> 2:01:37.640 a felt was that just felt? You guys all got 2:01:37.680 --> 2:01:41.480 all your fingers? Yeah, that's good. How many times we've 2:01:41.480 --> 2:01:45.720 been caught in a trap all of them? Ever lost 2:01:45.760 --> 2:01:48.000 a finger on your wood splitter or something? Yet I've 2:01:48.040 --> 2:01:50.280 seen guys that have. Yeah, I know a couple of 2:01:50.320 --> 2:01:54.400 people lost tips. Yeah that he looks so good. Yeah, 2:01:54.520 --> 2:01:59.440 Carmen looked great. But you'd wear it, wear it right 2:01:59.480 --> 2:02:01.240 in your snowbill though. Oh this is gonna be why 2:02:01.280 --> 2:02:04.440 I wear it for the rest of my life. This 2:02:04.520 --> 2:02:08.360 is incredible. The only bad thing about a fur hat 2:02:08.440 --> 2:02:11.120 is it's unfortunate it came from an animal. I mean, 2:02:11.240 --> 2:02:13.440 it would be nice, but there's nothing like a real 2:02:13.480 --> 2:02:15.840 fur there just isn't. The good thing is they make 2:02:15.880 --> 2:02:18.080 them every day. There's more beaver being made right now. 2:02:20.200 --> 2:02:21.880 I gotta tell you a a quick story. I actually wrote 2:02:21.880 --> 2:02:25.160 about this one time. But I had my first muskrat 2:02:25.200 --> 2:02:28.880 hat I had made. I was still grown, and so 2:02:29.040 --> 2:02:31.160 it's just like every year got tighter and tighter and tighter. 2:02:31.520 --> 2:02:34.080 You would like give me headaches, man. And at one 2:02:34.080 --> 2:02:36.960 point in time, at one point time, I lose because 2:02:36.960 --> 2:02:39.000 I'm always taking it off because it's not comfortable, I 2:02:39.040 --> 2:02:41.800 lose my fur hat. I can show you the exact 2:02:41.800 --> 2:02:43.960 spot I lost my fur hat, right where I caught 2:02:44.000 --> 2:02:47.760 my first otter, not the same day I'm going. I 2:02:47.840 --> 2:02:49.320 lose my fur hat and it's just gone. I have 2:02:49.320 --> 2:02:51.320 no idea what happened to it. One day, I'm going 2:02:51.320 --> 2:02:54.720 down the road with my friend ed Barefoot. We're driving 2:02:54.720 --> 2:02:57.120 along in his station wagon, going out to a place 2:02:57.160 --> 2:03:01.080 called Cisco Bayou, and I see melting out of the 2:03:01.120 --> 2:03:03.800 snow bank a road kill muskrat. I'm not shipping you. 2:03:04.480 --> 2:03:06.640 I see a road kill muskrat melting out of the 2:03:06.640 --> 2:03:09.840 snow bank, and I tell him to stop it. Your hat, 2:03:09.920 --> 2:03:13.600 my hat because it was a spot right jump out 2:03:13.600 --> 2:03:15.480 because there was a creek crossing right there and I 2:03:15.520 --> 2:03:17.880 just thought a muskrat got hit by car, but hey, stop, 2:03:18.560 --> 2:03:21.840 go overre pulled out of the bank. It's my damn hat. Yeah, 2:03:22.440 --> 2:03:25.640 and I don't know where it's at any right, So 2:03:25.960 --> 2:03:29.560 to put a bowl on the trapping thing? Um right now, 2:03:29.600 --> 2:03:32.800 it's the beaver is going up in price because of 2:03:32.960 --> 2:03:37.000 yellow Stone the show, and because some singers Beyonce just 2:03:37.040 --> 2:03:39.480 did a bunch of videos I guess wearing the stets 2:03:39.480 --> 2:03:42.040 and hats, and stets and hats are made with the 2:03:42.360 --> 2:03:46.240 under fur, the felt apart from the beaver. That's it's 2:03:46.400 --> 2:03:48.680 so madly man like. You can wear a leather and 2:03:48.680 --> 2:03:51.440 everybody's cool with it, right because the fur is gone. 2:03:51.480 --> 2:03:56.880 And then now you can wear a beaver. Like if 2:03:56.880 --> 2:03:58.480 you have a stets and hat, take a look on 2:03:58.520 --> 2:04:00.120 the inside of that something bit and you'll say, up 2:04:00.280 --> 2:04:02.840 like ten x or whatever that is made from a 2:04:02.880 --> 2:04:09.160 beaver's fur. You're supporting trapping, thank you. That's great. As 2:04:09.160 --> 2:04:10.640 long as we're making some money off of it, I 2:04:10.680 --> 2:04:14.240 don't care. You know, we don't get paid very much 2:04:14.240 --> 2:04:18.320 for trapping beaver. It's a pretty low income deal these 2:04:18.480 --> 2:04:20.520 it's it's like getting going hunting and getting paid when 2:04:20.520 --> 2:04:22.480 you get hoomers. You know what a cost of going 2:04:22.560 --> 2:04:24.920 hunting trip. Yeah, well, at the end of our trip 2:04:26.000 --> 2:04:28.760 we made money out. We didn't make a lot, but 2:04:28.880 --> 2:04:30.640 we made some and we had a hell of a 2:04:30.720 --> 2:04:34.040 time doing it. Dude, the quality of this compared to 2:04:34.120 --> 2:04:36.800 the ones we have around here, which are blond and 2:04:37.440 --> 2:04:41.280 blond and skanky, the quality of this is unbelievable. I 2:04:41.400 --> 2:04:46.360 only I can't stop touching. Everybody likes the pet beaver, right, 2:04:47.920 --> 2:04:50.720 this is great man. So yeah, I only keep the 2:04:50.800 --> 2:04:53.560 very best for the hats sell arrest. I mean I 2:04:53.560 --> 2:04:55.200 don't not all of them. I mean I only do 2:04:55.280 --> 2:04:58.280 like twenty a year. I don't do a lot. So no, 2:04:58.480 --> 2:05:01.560 my wife, so my wife as a machine though we're 2:05:01.600 --> 2:05:03.720 trying to figure it out. I'm hoping she can learn 2:05:03.720 --> 2:05:06.360 how home. Right now, we're having them made, but the 2:05:06.400 --> 2:05:08.440 slow part is getting them to the tannery and getting 2:05:08.440 --> 2:05:10.960 the fur back from a tannery sometimes to sixty eight months, 2:05:10.960 --> 2:05:12.720 and then send them the hat maker. There might be 2:05:12.720 --> 2:05:16.480 another sixt eight months, so it's not like they're all 2:05:17.200 --> 2:05:19.800 and then doesn't fit you. You know, we gotta carry three, four, 2:05:20.000 --> 2:05:23.440 five sizes I might have it. We're gonna get into that. 2:05:23.440 --> 2:05:25.680 We're gonna get into the fur hat mitten bis man, 2:05:26.360 --> 2:05:29.360 here you go, because it's so great. It is. It's awesome. 2:05:29.880 --> 2:05:33.440 So yeah, I figure you might like it as nice design. Man, 2:05:33.840 --> 2:05:36.680 good in this thing. You look like you're like going 2:05:36.720 --> 2:05:41.640 down like a like a fashion runway. I've never seen 2:05:41.680 --> 2:05:43.880 that hat on anybody that doesn't look good, and I'm 2:05:43.880 --> 2:05:46.000 not kidding you. The thing that's cool about it is 2:05:46.400 --> 2:05:48.440 I've had three or four different ones that I've sold 2:05:48.440 --> 2:05:50.360 because people I gotta have it. What do you gotta have? 2:05:50.880 --> 2:05:53.240 I know, like guys getting out. Okay, here's what they 2:05:53.240 --> 2:05:56.240 cost you. I'm just reading your lipstick. Got my hat on? 2:05:59.640 --> 2:06:02.080 Gave I had? Anyway? I need another hat? Guess who 2:06:02.080 --> 2:06:07.680 he calls? Yeah, yeah, I'll get that splitter up to you. Yeah, 2:06:07.760 --> 2:06:11.800 where's that processor? Nothing? Alright, guys, we're gonna wrap it up. 2:06:12.200 --> 2:06:15.440 We do run time. Yeah, we can hopefully wolf down 2:06:15.520 --> 2:06:17.680 some lunch. Appreciate you coming on. Man, you guys are 2:06:17.680 --> 2:06:20.000 staying for the trivia show. Yeah, you know what, I 2:06:20.040 --> 2:06:22.320 don't think that you're gonna win. I can probably not 2:06:22.360 --> 2:06:26.520 because here's the deal. He's gonna throw you one bone. 2:06:27.640 --> 2:06:30.560 If he knows does he know the here he's gonna 2:06:30.560 --> 2:06:34.520 throw you one bone. I think I'm gonna beat you probably. 2:06:34.680 --> 2:06:36.640 I played along on one of them. I watched and 2:06:36.680 --> 2:06:38.920 I got five. Right, So you played along on one? 2:06:38.920 --> 2:06:41.800 Did five? You know what? You'll beat the ship out 2:06:41.800 --> 2:06:46.720 of Christ? Definitely got the I got the one we 2:06:46.760 --> 2:06:50.200 had the red Snapper. I got that because he asked 2:06:50.200 --> 2:06:51.960 me that and I knew it. And the one that 2:06:52.080 --> 2:06:55.760 was what the author what was his name anyway? Henyway 2:06:55.960 --> 2:06:58.800 the sun was awarding or something? Got that goes a 2:06:58.800 --> 2:07:01.800 good guess. Yeah, I think I got fired about that one, 2:07:02.400 --> 2:07:03.920 just so I know, I just want to works. I 2:07:03.960 --> 2:07:08.280 had a guy that plays at home, the blue collar scholar. 2:07:09.400 --> 2:07:11.600 He reached out to me about a problem he's having 2:07:11.640 --> 2:07:14.320 where he's like he had to admit because he plays 2:07:14.360 --> 2:07:17.960 at home and sends me these great scores okay of 2:07:18.040 --> 2:07:21.200 his home score sheet. We fly him into play and 2:07:21.240 --> 2:07:25.520 he bombs he well, he told me, goes well, this 2:07:25.680 --> 2:07:27.840 one thing he was texting me is one thing I 2:07:27.880 --> 2:07:36.000 didn't mention. As I pause, he hits to think because 2:07:36.040 --> 2:07:40.800 it's a high stress environment because you're being heckled, right, 2:07:41.240 --> 2:07:43.120 You're like trying to make sure no one gives a hint, 2:07:43.960 --> 2:07:46.200 and it's high stress, and he can hit pause and 2:07:46.280 --> 2:07:50.840 just contemplate, and I have to deal with a lot 2:07:50.880 --> 2:07:53.320 of stress. Oh and he could come back two hours later. 2:07:53.600 --> 2:07:55.440 He could think about the question for two hours if 2:07:55.440 --> 2:07:59.840 he wanted to know. After a recent game, we had 2:07:59.840 --> 2:08:03.520 a real problem with how a question was worded, I did, 2:08:03.600 --> 2:08:06.440 and and the winner that day Randall had a problem 2:08:06.440 --> 2:08:09.080 how a question was worded, and so he and I 2:08:09.200 --> 2:08:12.480 later texted back and forth about how we felt the 2:08:12.600 --> 2:08:17.080 question should have been worded, and we sent the rewording 2:08:17.360 --> 2:08:21.560 to the host, Spencer new Heart, and then Randall made 2:08:21.560 --> 2:08:23.840 a joke that he says, I like to reword the 2:08:23.920 --> 2:08:26.040 questions until I get to a point where I feel 2:08:26.040 --> 2:08:29.720 as though I would have guessed it. And that's what 2:08:29.880 --> 2:08:32.000 he had done, is just reworded until he felt like 2:08:32.040 --> 2:08:35.000 he would have gotten it. So even that, like the syntax, 2:08:35.160 --> 2:08:38.880 the wording can impact the performance. Very stressful, Steve, I 2:08:38.920 --> 2:08:41.040 gotta say, Brodie's surpassing you and who can be the 2:08:41.040 --> 2:08:44.040 biggest grump complainer in the room so hot if you 2:08:44.080 --> 2:08:49.160 want to reclaim your crown? Brody is grumpy? Do I 2:08:49.160 --> 2:08:56.200 mean like I get grumpy playing tribute, but Brody is grumpy. Yeah, 2:08:56.400 --> 2:09:01.680 that's the victories and that Krinn isn't Krinn. That's Hayden. Hayden. 2:09:01.720 --> 2:09:05.360 Samcau with three You had to Steel Crins lit Area. 2:09:05.760 --> 2:09:11.360 Oh yeah, thanks for joining. Everybody good concluder