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<v Speaker 1>Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. From every

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<v Speaker 2>mountain side, left freedom ring, and Americas to be a

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<v Speaker 2>great nation. This must be come true. So let freedom

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<v Speaker 2>ring from the prodigious hilltops of Newhamn Yard. Let freedom

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<v Speaker 2>ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom

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<v Speaker 2>ring from the heightening alligators of Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 3>Let us pray for our forty seventh president. Heavenly Father,

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<v Speaker 3>We're so grateful that you gave our forty fifth and

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<v Speaker 3>now our forty seventh president a millimeter miracle. We pray

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<v Speaker 3>that you use our president that.

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<v Speaker 4>We will live in a nation well we will not

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<v Speaker 4>be judged.

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<v Speaker 5>By the color of our skin, but by the content

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<v Speaker 5>of our character.

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<v Speaker 3>From the prodigious hilltops up New Hampshot. Let freedom ring,

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<v Speaker 3>or from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom

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<v Speaker 3>ring from the heightening allaghatties up Pennsylvania. Let freedom ring.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, well, welcome home, everybody. That was a mess. But

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<v Speaker 6>this is episode sixty three of Native Landpod, where we

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<v Speaker 6>give you our breakdown on all things politics and culture

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<v Speaker 6>and I'm very, very fortunate to be here with you

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<v Speaker 6>today with my co host Tiffany Cross and Angelo Rye. Ladies,

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<v Speaker 6>how are you greats.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just letting freedom ring out here in these plagiaris streets.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, helloy, they letting snowfall down here in Florida. So

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<v Speaker 6>anything is possible.

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<v Speaker 4>Anything, Everything clearly goes in his day and age.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm telling you, I'm reminded this morning when I woke

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<v Speaker 6>up and saw this white in the yard, in the

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<v Speaker 6>streets of my grandmother saying we living in our last days.

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<v Speaker 4>And evil days.

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<v Speaker 7>I just want to tell the audience what they just heard,

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<v Speaker 7>because not everybody watched the inauguration, but obviously Martin Luther

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<v Speaker 7>King day has passed, and so we started the show

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<v Speaker 7>with the authentic words of doctor Martin Luther King. But

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<v Speaker 7>what you heard immediately following that was a plagiarizer, essentially,

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<v Speaker 7>this preacher that Donald Trump invited to inauguration this past weekend,

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<v Speaker 7>which I know a lot of you did not watch.

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<v Speaker 7>But for the few of you who did, who was

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<v Speaker 7>cause playing Doctor King in the most disrespectful way. So

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know, Angela, the King family can sue, but

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<v Speaker 7>it certainly seems like he did not give credits to

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<v Speaker 7>the originator of those beautiful words and the.

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<v Speaker 6>Middle of a quote prayer right supposed to be praying?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that he was praying. He was also performing.

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<v Speaker 1>He did a little praise dance. He was might have whatever. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>point is, I don't know who goes to this man congregation,

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<v Speaker 1>but please call him for for an altar call.

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<v Speaker 6>What are we talking about?

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<v Speaker 7>What are we talking about?

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<v Speaker 6>What do y'all have? Tell me?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 7>I want to get into briefly if there's time, because

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<v Speaker 7>we had a lot to get to in the show,

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<v Speaker 7>So if there's time, I want to talk about the

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<v Speaker 7>end the federal government ending the work from home policy

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<v Speaker 7>as soon as Donald Trump took office. I'm curious what

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<v Speaker 7>you guys think about work from home policies because this

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<v Speaker 7>is something that people are split on. But I really

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<v Speaker 7>want to dive deeper into that and explain to the

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<v Speaker 7>audience what this could mean for our politics, but more importantly,

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<v Speaker 7>what it could mean for DEI initiatives.

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<v Speaker 6>Nice, Nice, Angela.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to talk about pardons.

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<v Speaker 1>We know that the president, no matter who it is,

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<v Speaker 1>has the full pardon power constitutionally, and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about how Joe Biden chose to use his pardon

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<v Speaker 1>power in his final days, even his final hours, versus

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<v Speaker 1>how Donald Trump chose to use his pardon power even

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<v Speaker 1>both of them on January sixth, related issues in his

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<v Speaker 1>first few hours as president.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, well, Ronning, I guess the conversation. I love, love,

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<v Speaker 6>love for us to engage on this topic of how

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<v Speaker 6>black folks are supposed to interact with this new administration

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<v Speaker 6>working together? We not? Are there common causes? Are there?

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<v Speaker 5>Not?

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<v Speaker 6>Are their minstrels and useful tools in the middle of this?

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<v Speaker 6>And could progress in some way be gained without losing

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<v Speaker 6>our self respect, our dignity, uh, and obviously our commitment

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<v Speaker 6>to our democracy and to our people. So I want

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<v Speaker 6>to get into that with y'all. Two, So let's get

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<v Speaker 6>it started.

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<v Speaker 4>So, you guys, I have been.

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<v Speaker 1>Really kind of filling the conundrum of sadness. You guys know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been trying to be on my workout kick. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been so frustrated over the last couple of days. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I can remember a more miserable MLK day.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think as much as I hoped that we

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<v Speaker 1>would go out on a high note, I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>the Biden administration ended with such a lull cloud hovering

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<v Speaker 1>over it, and then we welcomed in Armageddon. So I

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<v Speaker 1>just I feel really frustrated about what happened with the pardons.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go to like the low lower level

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<v Speaker 1>of frustration and then the high level of what was

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<v Speaker 1>to come, just in terms of chronology. But I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to acknowledge first something positive, y'all know. I like

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<v Speaker 1>to start with the good. The thing that I believe

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<v Speaker 1>the Biden administration got right about the pardon power was

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<v Speaker 1>pardoning a preemptive pardon, which is unprecedented for the January

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<v Speaker 1>sixth Committee witnesses, and yeah, the staff and the members,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that that was necessary. You guys know

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<v Speaker 1>my biases. Congressman Thompson, his family. To me, he was

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<v Speaker 1>a remarkable chair of that special committee, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>terrified of what would happen to him, in particular in

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump administration. So he was Joe Biden was pressured

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<v Speaker 1>to protect him, and it took a lot of pressure.

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<v Speaker 4>To be clear, it wasn't an easy lift, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't take as much pressure for him to pardon

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<v Speaker 1>his siblings, which I've never heard anyone mention were in

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<v Speaker 1>harm's way, But he pardoned all of his siblings. Not himself,

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<v Speaker 1>not his wife, not his daughter, but all of his siblings,

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<v Speaker 1>many of whom I've never heard of as well. That day,

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<v Speaker 1>what he did not do was pardon our good sister,

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<v Speaker 1>our friend, Marilyn Moseby. Ninety seven plus thousand people in

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<v Speaker 1>this country signed on to a Color of Change petition

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<v Speaker 1>supporting a pardon for Marilyn Moseby for withdrawing her own

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<v Speaker 1>money out of her own retirement account after being in

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<v Speaker 1>the crosshairs of the Trump administration for many years, and

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<v Speaker 1>despite Marilyn Moseby having the same same prosecutor on her case,

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<v Speaker 1>Leo Wise, as Hunter Biden did in his case, they

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<v Speaker 1>could not see a connection. I'm going to go into

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<v Speaker 1>the details of that in just a moment, but I

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<v Speaker 1>will say I will draw a contrast with that into

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<v Speaker 1>what Donald Trump's administration does for the people who ride

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<v Speaker 1>with him, for the people who rode with him up

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<v Speaker 1>to January sixth, to stop the steal, to steal things

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<v Speaker 1>off of Nancy Pelosi's desk, to wreak havoc to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where Lisa Blunt Rochester, who is now a black

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<v Speaker 1>senator from the first from Delaware to be driven to

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<v Speaker 1>her hands and knees to pray for their safety against

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<v Speaker 1>violence of a mob of terrorists of insurrectionists. On January sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, he said, I got you, you had

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<v Speaker 1>my back. I'm going to pardon all of you and

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<v Speaker 1>commute the sentences of thirty plus people for the actions

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<v Speaker 1>they took on January sixth, twenty twenty one. Meanwhile, meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>the Biden administration's bar and standard for what it requires

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<v Speaker 1>for a black person in this country to have gotten

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<v Speaker 1>a pardon is impossible.

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<v Speaker 4>It is impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened in the White House over the last several

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<v Speaker 1>weeks is an abomination.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm talking about the ways in which.

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<v Speaker 1>Black staff, black appointed officials in the Biden administration had

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<v Speaker 1>to go to bat for Marilyn Moseby versus the white

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<v Speaker 1>staff in the administration. Y'all should be ashamed of y'all

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<v Speaker 1>goddamn selves. Like truly, there's no reason that you can

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<v Speaker 1>tell me that an individual who was selling kids virtually

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<v Speaker 1>to a for profit entity should have gotten a sentencing commutation.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can't see the fact that you're all of

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<v Speaker 1>the legacy of this administration in justice reform was built

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<v Speaker 1>on the backs of prosecutors like Marilyn Moseby and Kim

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<v Speaker 1>Gardner and Kim Fox and Araon miss Ayala and yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala Harris. And when in twenty twenty Kamala Harris was running,

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<v Speaker 1>Marilyn Moseby had her back to ensure that the general

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<v Speaker 1>public knew that she.

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<v Speaker 4>Was not a top cop, that she was a progressive prosecutor.

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<v Speaker 1>So to watch Maryland to left to be hung out

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<v Speaker 1>to drive for this because the people who continued the

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<v Speaker 1>case were Biden administration appointees and they didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>leave the judge with egg on her face, and they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to leave Eric barn with egg on his face.

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<v Speaker 1>So now the person who actually had our backs is

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<v Speaker 1>left hanging out to dry. I got major beef with it,

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<v Speaker 1>I really really do. And I think it is massively unfortunate,

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<v Speaker 1>and you so negligent and reckless.

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<v Speaker 7>You're black folks, who who is? Can you just tell

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<v Speaker 7>us you said somebody was selling kids to for profit?

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<v Speaker 7>That person got a pardon? Who is that you've got? Sorry?

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<v Speaker 7>I just want just for me and the other listeners

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<v Speaker 7>who don't know what you're referencing. Can you tell us

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<v Speaker 7>who that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a cash for kids scandal that existed in Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>If somebody has a moment, particularly on our production team,

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<v Speaker 1>to look up the name of the judge. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a very well known case in the Pennsylvania area.

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<v Speaker 4>The judge was not pardoned. I don't believe I used

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<v Speaker 4>those words.

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<v Speaker 7>If I did, you're talking about, yes, the judge was

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<v Speaker 7>taking paid right they were, Yes, I know who you're

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<v Speaker 7>talking about. Okay, I've had something completely different in mind.

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<v Speaker 6>Cash just yeah, Google cash for kids listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's a well known scandal in the Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 1>I did not if I said that he was pardoned.

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<v Speaker 1>I apologize. I thought I said that his sentence was community.

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<v Speaker 7>You probably, which is I'm a misunderstood.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to pause because they said they were mad

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't hear us last week, so I make sure

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<v Speaker 1>I cut y'all off. So I want to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts are complete. I'm done with my rant. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna repeat myself because I'm pissed.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I just you know, really quickly, can you say,

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<v Speaker 7>because you said Eric Barron and not everybody knows who

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<v Speaker 7>that is. He is the person who replaced her in Baltimore.

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<v Speaker 4>No, he's not so.

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<v Speaker 1>Eric so the US attorney who was appointed after Robert Hirk,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the special prosecutor on the Joe Biden classified

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<v Speaker 1>documents case who said he was too old to a

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<v Speaker 1>stand trial, and Steve Shinning were the bosses of Leo

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<v Speaker 1>Wise under the Trump administration in the District Attorney's office

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<v Speaker 1>in Maryland. When Joe Biden came in, he appointed a

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<v Speaker 1>new US attorney by the name of Eric Barron. He

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<v Speaker 1>is a former state legislator in Maryland. He's someone who

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<v Speaker 1>Marilyn worked hand in hand with. Eric did not drop

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<v Speaker 1>those charges. I suspect it is because there was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a revolt by all the white boys in

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<v Speaker 1>that office who were under the Trump administration and stayed

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<v Speaker 1>just like Leo did. Under Eric, he demoted Leo, but

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<v Speaker 1>they raised telling that office and said if he removed

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<v Speaker 1>Leo from that case, they were all going to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I believe that Eric kept the case going

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<v Speaker 1>because of that. Eric and the judge both worked for

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden in the Senate. She worked on the Ethics Committee.

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<v Speaker 1>Eric worked on the Judiciary committee or worked with Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden during the Barack Obama transition. Eric went to the

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<v Speaker 1>transition team and worked to help get Lydia Griggsby her

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<v Speaker 1>first judicial appointment, which was in the bankruptcy court space.

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<v Speaker 1>She has no criminal criminal court experience whatsoever, no criminal

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<v Speaker 1>law experience.

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<v Speaker 4>That is the judge.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are two Biden appointees who I suspect this is

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<v Speaker 1>not what was reported to me, but I suspect that

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<v Speaker 1>was the reason, an additional reason beyond this public corruption

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<v Speaker 1>bucket that they forced her into that they didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to pardon Maryland.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I know that's a lot of weaving, but I

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<v Speaker 7>think is important so people know how this works. You

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<v Speaker 7>know that everybody had a role to play and to

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<v Speaker 7>pay attention to who these judges are that are being

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<v Speaker 7>nominated and who you know US attorney and State's attorney.

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<v Speaker 7>These are people, these are elected positions, So that's what

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<v Speaker 7>that matters. I just wanted to remind our audience about

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<v Speaker 7>j six because you brought that up. And Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 7>as you all know at this point this week, pardoned

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<v Speaker 7>every single person who was involved in January sixth. He

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<v Speaker 7>said he wasn't going to pardon people who were violent

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<v Speaker 7>and that's not true, and I want to remind you.

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<v Speaker 7>Pam Bondi, who is his nominee for attorney General, faced

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<v Speaker 7>confirmation hearing this month. Last week and she was asked

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<v Speaker 7>about pardoning January sixth people, particularly those who were violent

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<v Speaker 7>against law enforcement. I want you to take a listen

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<v Speaker 7>to her answer.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want a flag for you. He did not

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<v Speaker 1>pardon every single person. He also commuted some of the sentences.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's fourteen people, so I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that was a good point.

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<v Speaker 7>But either way, they either were free at this point.

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<v Speaker 4>So the House arrest bracelets exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 7>So take a listen to what Trump's nominee for attorney

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<v Speaker 7>general has to say when she's asked about people who

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<v Speaker 7>are violent with law enforcement. Let me be very clear

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<v Speaker 7>in speaking to you, I condemn any violence on a

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<v Speaker 7>law enforcement officer in this country. So she condemns any

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<v Speaker 7>violence on a law enforcement officer in this country. I

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<v Speaker 7>want you all to take a listen to this harrowing

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<v Speaker 7>testimony from officer Michael Fanone. You've seen him a lot

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<v Speaker 7>for the past four years, five years, now listen to

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<v Speaker 7>what he experienced on that fateful day on January sixth,

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<v Speaker 7>twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 8>I was struck with a taser device at the base

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<v Speaker 8>of my skull numerous times, and they continued to do

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<v Speaker 8>so until I yelled out that I have kids. I

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<v Speaker 8>remember one of them distinctly lunging at me time and

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<v Speaker 8>time again, trying to grab my gun. And I heard

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<v Speaker 8>people in the crowd yelling get his gun, killing with

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<v Speaker 8>his own gun.

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<v Speaker 7>So you hear the hypocrisy here. And I have to

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<v Speaker 7>tell you, Angela, you know, being part of the ninety

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<v Speaker 7>two percent, and the things that black women do for

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<v Speaker 7>this country and the little reward, the little thanks that

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<v Speaker 7>we get. And I don't even want to make this

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<v Speaker 7>a party thing. I mean to me, it's just from

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<v Speaker 7>the country. Because Marylynd is a mother of two. This

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<v Speaker 7>should be something that everybody cares about. This isn't a

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<v Speaker 7>you know, a Republican can go through this, a white

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<v Speaker 7>woman can go through this, but somehow, oh, when it's

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<v Speaker 7>a black woman, it is this shoulder shrug, move on,

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<v Speaker 7>We don't care. And I take your point about White

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<v Speaker 7>House staff, whatever you're willing to share about that, but

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<v Speaker 7>I think that's so disappointing because it speaks to what

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<v Speaker 7>happened on the campaign, like, we have to fight within

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<v Speaker 7>the fight to advocate for ourselves, and the finding out

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<v Speaker 7>part is going to suck for all of us, especially

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<v Speaker 7>those of us who didn't fuck around, And to know

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<v Speaker 7>that there are so many people with in the administration

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<v Speaker 7>who did is disappointing. And before you all start with

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<v Speaker 7>the comments on y'all democratic shields and you didn't know

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<v Speaker 7>and blah blah blah, ain't nobody here a spokesperson for

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<v Speaker 7>the party. We are all here advocating for the health

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<v Speaker 7>and benefit of black people. And though Maryland's case is

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<v Speaker 7>something that Angelo worked really hard on to bring to

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<v Speaker 7>the light, I do want to acknowledge that there are

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<v Speaker 7>still over one hundred thousand black men and women who

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<v Speaker 7>have had their liberty taken away, who are living in

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<v Speaker 7>unconstonable circumstances in these prisons, from finding roaches in your food,

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<v Speaker 7>to not having access to healthcare, to women miscarrying in prison,

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<v Speaker 7>to violence from corrections officers, violence from fellow prisoners. Our

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<v Speaker 7>criminal justice system is god awful and it's only going

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<v Speaker 7>to get worse under this administration.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll just say one Angela, I hear your passion, and

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<v Speaker 6>obviously your outrage and all of it is merited, and

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<v Speaker 6>I want to thank you, just again, out loud and

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<v Speaker 6>in public for everything that you did to shine a

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<v Speaker 6>light on this case and for me, while I love

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<v Speaker 6>Marilynd Moseby to the hills and back, she is representative

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<v Speaker 6>of a public official mustering up, summoning the courage required

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<v Speaker 6>necessary to take on institutional racism in the system. And

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<v Speaker 6>when she announced prosecution of those law enforcement officers, it

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<v Speaker 6>was a shot over the bow their direction that anywhere

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<v Speaker 6>they exist in this country, that they will be held

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<v Speaker 6>accountable if they run a foul of the law, even

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<v Speaker 6>if you have a badge. And to me, that's the

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<v Speaker 6>underlining through line that runs through through We can hear

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<v Speaker 6>all the stories that are out there, but I think

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<v Speaker 6>the through land that runs against why she could not

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<v Speaker 6>be pardoned is because we've got these Democrats, Republicans and

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<v Speaker 6>everything on the other side and in between, who will never, ever,

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<v Speaker 6>ever truly commit to holding law enforcement accountable to the

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<v Speaker 6>same rules and standards as we as everyday regular people

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<v Speaker 6>are held in America. They drew a line when they

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<v Speaker 6>went after Maryland, in the state of Maryland and her

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<v Speaker 6>own seat, and they were not going to make it

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<v Speaker 6>possible for an example to be set that a woman

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<v Speaker 6>who went after law enforcement who prosecuted them for bad

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<v Speaker 6>and illegal behavior would be able to come out on

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<v Speaker 6>the other side and say victory was had. They were

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<v Speaker 6>never going to make that possible and unfortunate. It's unfortunate,

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<v Speaker 6>But more importantly, I think it will send a chilling

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<v Speaker 6>signal to anyone else who wants to be the next

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<v Speaker 6>Maryland to not even try it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, all right.

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<v Speaker 7>I know we got a lot going on in this podcast.

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<v Speaker 7>On the other side of this break, we're going to

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<v Speaker 7>talk about black engagements, and we're gonna get into some

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<v Speaker 7>of these celebrities who performed at the inauguration. So don't

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<v Speaker 7>go anywhere. We'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not political for me.

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<v Speaker 9>For me, the political part is over.

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<v Speaker 6>He won.

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<v Speaker 9>And you know, growing up, I was taught to respect

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<v Speaker 9>the office. So you know, Nelly's here and.

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<v Speaker 1>You did get a little backlash, but you were like, whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't I don't care, I'm doing what I want

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<v Speaker 4>to do.

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<v Speaker 1>This is this is I'm not gonna beut words in

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<v Speaker 1>your mouth.

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<v Speaker 4>But you you were really cool about it. You handled

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<v Speaker 4>it well. You came forward and you talked about it.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of people wouldn't do that. Why why did

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<v Speaker 4>you come forward and talk about it?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, because I think it's important that, you know, we

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<v Speaker 9>show some people have their own opinions about things, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>and sometimes things can get a little bit hazy and

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<v Speaker 9>in a way that everybody feels the same way about everything,

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<v Speaker 9>and that's just not it. I think certain people have

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<v Speaker 9>an outlook and I've always believed that you got to

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<v Speaker 9>walk through the fire sometimes to get results. And regardless

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<v Speaker 9>of what you feel about it, we as a people,

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<v Speaker 9>and I mean, you know, my heritage as far as

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<v Speaker 9>being African American, we've always had to work with people

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<v Speaker 9>that we may not have always agreed with to get

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<v Speaker 9>things done. And I think that struggle continues. But at

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<v Speaker 9>the end of the day, if the men and women

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<v Speaker 9>of this country can put their life on the line

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<v Speaker 9>for a president that they may not have voted for, I.

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<v Speaker 6>Can definitely perform.

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<v Speaker 8>Ya.

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<v Speaker 6>So that was artist Nelly giving response in an interview

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<v Speaker 6>he did a couple of those following his performance during

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<v Speaker 6>the inaugural activities for Donald Trump. A lot has been

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<v Speaker 6>said about him and Snoop and others who have who

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<v Speaker 6>have participated, who showed up, who in some cases said

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<v Speaker 6>kind things about Donald Trump. Angela, I know you had

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<v Speaker 6>a clip of of of snoop that you wanted to

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<v Speaker 6>throw into Can we can we talk of that real quick?

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<v Speaker 5>I remember when we were kids. I don't know where

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<v Speaker 5>you're from. It's probably different when we were kids. No

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<v Speaker 5>white kids wanted to be black. None of them now

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<v Speaker 5>braids tattoos.

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<v Speaker 6>So you want to call each other that word?

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<v Speaker 4>Hello?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So what do you think that's doing to their

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<v Speaker 5>people up top? So brainwise, you get what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 5>So we got to restore order because in a minute,

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<v Speaker 5>they gonna be politicians and if they acting like niggas,

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<v Speaker 5>then they're gonna be looking out for niggas.

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<v Speaker 10>I understand.

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<v Speaker 5>So we need to funck this shit back up so

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<v Speaker 5>that way they can get back in their mind that

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<v Speaker 5>they against us. When that's it's too late now because

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<v Speaker 5>you have so many inner relation interracial relationships, and people

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<v Speaker 5>who have became family members. My grandson is white.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm inter racial. I'm black and white.

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<v Speaker 5>My grandson is white, so I have no racism in me.

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<v Speaker 5>I love white people, but I don't like Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 6>So that was Donald Trump I'm sorry. I was Snoop

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<v Speaker 6>making some comments about Donald Trump, and that.

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<v Speaker 1>Was from Yeah not that was not recent. I just

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<v Speaker 1>was saying, that's not that's not a recenter. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>same interview where he said, you know, if you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if people are pushing back on me for not liking

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump, your listeners are racist, that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's but those clips have been overplayed. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that it is important in this discussion to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to hold space for nuance. I'm gonna say some stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't agree with because I'm conflicted, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>definitely gonna say some stuff that y'all don't agree with.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, no, that's real. Well let me just example because

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<v Speaker 6>Ilhan Omar tweeted out. Congresswoman Omar tweeted out about all

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<v Speaker 6>the outrage that was being projected at entertainers who were

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<v Speaker 6>at the inauguration, appearing in either in support or certainly

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<v Speaker 6>in contract labor to the inauguration of Donald Trump, and

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<v Speaker 6>she said, we're making all this noise about the artists,

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<v Speaker 6>but what about the elected members of Congress, elected officials

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<v Speaker 6>who went out and told America to be worried about

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<v Speaker 6>this fascist who made the choice to be in attendance

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<v Speaker 6>at the inauguration, So y'all, I know y'all saw the

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<v Speaker 6>heat coming down. I know you've probably had your own

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<v Speaker 6>observations of what happened if you individually watched. I'm curious

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<v Speaker 6>to know, one, what do you think about the clips

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<v Speaker 6>that you heard. Nellie's obviously is in direct response to

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<v Speaker 6>this moment, snoops is he actually has not, as so

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<v Speaker 6>far as I could tell, made a public comment about

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<v Speaker 6>his participation in the inauguration, so we pulled from previous comments.

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<v Speaker 6>But how are you feeling about it? What did you think?

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<v Speaker 6>I will just first positive that I was probably most demoralized,

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<v Speaker 6>not by any of those comments necessarily, but by the

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<v Speaker 6>pastor who we played at the beginning. My spirit was

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<v Speaker 6>totally shook because I saw an arresting of the spirit

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<v Speaker 6>in the moral of doctor King being leveraged toward the

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<v Speaker 6>most antithetical figure today in American politics to what King's

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<v Speaker 6>vision was, and that felt like a low moment. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>curious to know if there was one like that for y'all,

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<v Speaker 6>or and or how y'all responded to this one.

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<v Speaker 7>I'll stay on topic for this one. With these clips

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<v Speaker 7>we just heard from Nelly and Snoop Dogg, and I

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<v Speaker 7>think the most disheartening thing for me about hearing that

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<v Speaker 7>is the ignorance that is on display from both of them.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think performing for Donald Trump at inauguration is

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<v Speaker 7>analogous to the people who serve in armed services by

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<v Speaker 7>any means. I'm so disappointed to hear how Snoop Dogg

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<v Speaker 7>describes his childhood. That may have been his experience, but

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<v Speaker 7>certainly white kids wanted to be black when we were

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<v Speaker 7>younger in the eighties, they were in the rap music,

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<v Speaker 7>break dancing, they were wearing black hairs out There's never

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<v Speaker 7>been a time wear right like literally since we've come here,

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<v Speaker 7>all the swagger and and everything we bring, all the

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<v Speaker 7>culture we bring to this country has always been widely

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<v Speaker 7>celebrated by people, not just across the country, but across

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<v Speaker 7>the globe. And I wish he had that level of

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<v Speaker 7>pride and and and level of information and knowledge uh

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<v Speaker 7>and was intellectually curious about it, which which he painfully isn't.

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<v Speaker 7>I did note that Nelly made his rounds, he didn't

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<v Speaker 7>sit across from anybody black. I would have loved for

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<v Speaker 7>Nelly to sit across from Joy Read on MSNBC and

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<v Speaker 7>have a conversation with her, Like, you know, sitting across

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<v Speaker 7>from a black woman is going to be a drastic

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<v Speaker 7>We're not going to go for the bullshit. So everything

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<v Speaker 7>you say you have to now stand on business and

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<v Speaker 7>defend it. So it's just disappointing to be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, we talked and even with with Congressman Ilhan Omar.

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<v Speaker 7>It's no disrespect to her, but I think it's quite

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<v Speaker 7>the assumption that black folks do not hold that outrage

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.679
<v Speaker 7>for those elected officials, for those folks in business. I

0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:24.440
<v Speaker 7>wonder what black people she's referencing, what black people she's

0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:27.639
<v Speaker 7>talking to on this very show. We have had all

0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:30.440
<v Speaker 7>the smoke for people who show up. We have in

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:33.520
<v Speaker 7>the comments, people have smoke for people who show up.

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:36.800
<v Speaker 7>People we talked to in our group chat have felt

0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:41.920
<v Speaker 7>away about not only the elected officials who are engaging

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 7>this administration as though it's normal, but also for entertainers.

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.639
<v Speaker 7>I don't really expect a lot from entertainers, but I

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:56.719
<v Speaker 7>do expect some level of acknowledgment of all the policies

0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:59.120
<v Speaker 7>that will directly harm these people. Can I just say

0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:03.359
<v Speaker 7>this about Snoop really quickly. He's also he disappointed me.

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:07.840
<v Speaker 7>During the LA Mayor's race, he supported Rick Crusoe, who

0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:12.560
<v Speaker 7>was running against h then Congresswoman Karen Bass, who for

0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:15.680
<v Speaker 7>the mayor of La. Rick Crusoe is a billionaire developer.

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:17.920
<v Speaker 7>He's known for he built the grow for our West

0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:21.879
<v Speaker 7>Coast friends. He's was a candidate but also a former

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<v Speaker 7>Republican who switched parties not before he ran. He was

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<v Speaker 7>the former UH president of the LA Board of Police Commissioners.

0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:35.640
<v Speaker 7>He was a cop lover who promised to massively fund

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:39.119
<v Speaker 7>the LA PD. Now we all remember Snoop's music and

0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:42.840
<v Speaker 7>things that he said. He had a lot of fear

0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:47.680
<v Speaker 7>mongering over this dubious crime wave that was happening in LA.

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:50.360
<v Speaker 7>And when it came down to what he actually did

0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 7>for community, it was, you know, billionaire stuff, tax deductible

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:58.440
<v Speaker 7>contributions to protect him. And I remember Snoop. I can't

0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:01.639
<v Speaker 7>remember the interview, so forgive me if this is not accurate,

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 7>but there was something that Snoop asked him for that

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 7>he did something for his football team or a field.

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 7>And I remember hearing this, like my gid, they bought

0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:11.879
<v Speaker 7>you cheap. If that's all it took for you to

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:13.960
<v Speaker 7>endorse this man because you picked up the phone and

0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:16.160
<v Speaker 7>asked him for something and he called you back. They

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:20.119
<v Speaker 7>bought you cheap. And I think when we organize, particularly

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:22.880
<v Speaker 7>as black women and black men, all the black men

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 7>who are, you know, right beside us in this fight,

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 7>when we organize, we do so with the greater community

0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:32.160
<v Speaker 7>in mind. So I don't know, I don't like it.

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:36.359
<v Speaker 7>I just I want these rappers to just if you

0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:39.440
<v Speaker 7>don't know, shutting up is free fifty cent Kodak Black,

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:42.399
<v Speaker 7>Nellie Lowel, Wayne Sexy Red. I think she later changed

0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:45.479
<v Speaker 7>the baby and Snoop. This is just a handful of

0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 7>people who I have zero interest in. I would defy

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 7>them to have some sort of intellectual conversation with anybody.

0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:56.359
<v Speaker 7>But they're out there talking politics and being uplifted like

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 7>mascots for white folks, and I find it gross.

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 1>I first wanted to just acknowledge that il Han's statement

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:08.320
<v Speaker 1>was not directed at black people. She was saying people

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 1>generally in her tweet. I think, oh, she's not gonna mind,

0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:17.439
<v Speaker 1>She's not gonna mind. I think that it's important that

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:23.080
<v Speaker 1>we consider that there are multiple people on every side

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 1>of this that haven't had the same smoke, So we

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 1>say for all of the parties involved. I will say also,

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 1>this idea of buying you cheap is a bi partisan problem, right.

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Some of what I think I'm really wrestling right now

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 1>is we have for a long time if you reference

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 1>it all the time too, in conversations that you've had

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 1>with LB our friend Latasha Brown, who runs and is

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.480
<v Speaker 1>a co founder Black Voters Matter, that we are often

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>voting as a part of a harm reduction strategy. But

0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 1>what happens when the harm is not really really deuce?

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 1>What happens when the hemorrhage turns into a slow bleed,

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 1>but you're bleeding no less, we're all boy for cheap.

0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 1>There were people calling Bill Clinton the first black president

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<v Speaker 1>because this motherfucker's playing a saxophone.

0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 4>So how cheap is that? You know what I'm saying?

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:18.160
<v Speaker 4>Like he didn't even buy nothing, like he just oh

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 4>he doubt for us?

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Why look at the welfare laws, look at the crime bills,

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.400
<v Speaker 1>right Like, let's be kind of foral about that. So

0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 1>I think what I'm really wrestling with here is when

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 1>you have people in elected office who or who are

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 1>running for office, who are paying attention to your needs

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>on a micro level. I'm not talking about a macro level,

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 1>and you finally get the attention that you know that

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:45.479
<v Speaker 1>you deserve on a micro level, and you prioritize your

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 1>politics best based on that micro level interest. I am

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 1>frustrated about it, but I get it, and I can

0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:54.360
<v Speaker 1>use as an example. I'm so glad we talked about

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 1>the pardon power first because I can use an example

0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 1>my rhetoric right now about the Biden administration based on

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:04.440
<v Speaker 1>the fact that they did not pardon Maryland Moseby and

0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>what that means to me figuratively, despite having done the

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 1>right thing for Marcus Garvey, who I would argue, I

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 1>understand that's what his family wanted, but I would argue

0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Marcus Garvey would be way more for the liberation of

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 1>black people who are still alive than clearing his record,

0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 1>because he's a hero to us, no matter what Black

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 1>History Month or not, whether it's that or it's the

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:27.960
<v Speaker 1>fact that there are people the CBC members who begged

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 1>the Biden administration for executive order after executive order, or

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 1>its Arian Simone who is fighting with every penny she

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 1>had to protect the Fearless Fund, trying to fund us

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:39.800
<v Speaker 1>and couldn't get an executive action out of the administration

0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>for that. So your lip service is great, but your

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 1>public service ain't.

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 4>And then the people.

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Who don't do either. I don't know that it's not

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 1>that much worse. And so when we talk about Snoop,

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:53.840
<v Speaker 1>and this is my personal bias, my blind spot, my

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 1>point of hypocrisy, I love Snoop personally, I am frustrated

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 1>by the decision he made to perform at an unofficial

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.239
<v Speaker 1>event during the inauguration, which is the Crypto Ball. The

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 1>man who ran that ball is a former executive from PayPal.

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know their business dealings. I suspect there is something.

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 1>And then Nelly performed in an official event. Rick Ross

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 1>also went to the Crypto Ball. I got personal beef

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:20.959
<v Speaker 1>with Rick Ross Andrew, as you know, because he wouldn't

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 1>come through to your election eve concert unless he was

0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>paid and fly down a fly flut flute out.

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 4>He was trying to get flued out.

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 1>So for me, I've seen where right the capitalism comes

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 1>into play. I understand their goals, and I also understand

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 1>that many of their goals are to aid and support

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 1>their community. I know firsthand the stuff that Snoop does

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 1>for the community. I also know that some of the

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 1>bias exists. The same way that I said, I would

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 1>be going Capen probably a little bit harder for this

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 1>administration that they've done the right thing for Maryland. At

0:31:56.000 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 1>the end, he softened his tone and his rhetoric about

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump because Harry Oh means everything to him. Harry

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 1>oways pardon at the end of Donald Trump's tenure. I

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:10.960
<v Speaker 1>understand the shift. I don't like it because my big

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 1>letter politics always will supersede my little p politics. But

0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 1>that is something that I've learned from having worked in

0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 1>this space. That is a point of privilege that I have.

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I would rather engage in conversation with my brother and

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.280
<v Speaker 1>figure out all of his why than to tear him

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 1>down anymore in the public because I know the things

0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:32.920
<v Speaker 1>that he's done for our folks far outweigh this moment.

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 4>I do not like it.

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:37.800
<v Speaker 1>I would have preferred that he steered clear, you know,

0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 1>But at the end of the day, these are the

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:43.880
<v Speaker 1>decisions they made. I respected what Nelly said. I still

0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 1>wish that he didn't go. I understand, you respect the office.

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 1>I try to respect the office. Right now, I'm having

0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 1>a hard time because I don't respect the office holder.

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that he's trying to undo democracy. It is

0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 1>hard for me to look at everything that happened in

0:32:56.960 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>the last Trump administration and give this dude a pass.

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 1>And that said, Andrew said he wanted to call this

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 1>black engagement with this administration.

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 4>What does that look like?

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:09.200
<v Speaker 1>We really do need to have that conversation because what

0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:12.520
<v Speaker 1>we can't do for four years is just bash everything.

0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:15.640
<v Speaker 1>We have to have somebody or somebody's to go in

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 1>there and have a conversation. It could be a harm

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>reduction conversation, it could be a progress conversation. If Marilyn

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 1>told me that she's open to a pardon by this administration,

0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 1>there's somebody I got to send in there to have

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:30.600
<v Speaker 1>that conversation. But at the end of the day, justice

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>isn't beholden to a party. Liberation isn't beholden to a party.

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:38.640
<v Speaker 1>It is It is only incumbent upon us to ensure

0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 1>that we are always advocating for the best interests of

0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:43.360
<v Speaker 1>black people. Now, when your personal interest get in the

0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:45.480
<v Speaker 1>way of that, we got a problem, and we at

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:46.720
<v Speaker 1>least need to have a conversation.

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 7>But this seems interesting because our in All Youration episode,

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:51.480
<v Speaker 7>I was reading the comments and everybody kept saying, yes,

0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 7>Angela agree with you. Angela gradually make a point and

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 7>I was like, what, I don't even remember because we

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 7>had so many conversations. I'm like, what is you saying.

0:33:56.600 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 7>I watched and you did have all the smoke for

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 7>people who sat down with Trump. You had all the

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 7>smoke for President Biden for even sitting next to him.

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:09.280
<v Speaker 7>And it does sound a little bit like you're giving

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:13.719
<v Speaker 7>Snoop a pass or you're giving Nelly a pass when

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 7>I don't know what they've done to earn that pass.

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:18.040
<v Speaker 7>Like to me, I just I just.

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:19.920
<v Speaker 4>Tried to explain it, like I think, to me, I

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:20.359
<v Speaker 4>heard that.

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 7>But you're but what you're doing is extending them understanding

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 7>that you you are not quick to extend other people

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 7>if they're Their intention is oh, I needed this one thing,

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:31.359
<v Speaker 7>and I was willing to go out there and tap

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:33.279
<v Speaker 7>dance and shuck and jy for the white man because

0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 7>he gave me this one thing. That's how I look

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:39.280
<v Speaker 7>at it. Then, that is that's kind of a challenge.

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 7>That's to say, well, I get it because you wanted

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:45.719
<v Speaker 7>this one thing, But to like literally like like scream

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:49.319
<v Speaker 7>about Joe Biden even sitting next to him. I just

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:52.280
<v Speaker 7>I don't to me that is those those two points

0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:53.839
<v Speaker 7>run contrary to each other, I.

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Think I I think I tried to say at the beginning,

0:34:56.760 --> 0:35:01.319
<v Speaker 1>I am resting in contradiction, contradiction, hypocrisy myself. I tried

0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 1>to articulate that at the beginning, trying to do that. Now,

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:07.800
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying is if I were in the same

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:12.720
<v Speaker 1>boat wanting a pardon, which I did for Marilyn Moseby,

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 1>my rhetoric sounds remarkably different right now. My sentiment towards

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:22.359
<v Speaker 1>the Biden administration is remarkably different right now than had

0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 1>that pardon been received. I can still acknowledge that, I

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:28.359
<v Speaker 1>think God, that Katanji Brown was at the inauguration, rock

0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 1>and Cowrie Shells, I can still acknowledge those things. And

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that part of what happens with us and

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:37.959
<v Speaker 1>that cheapens discourse is we lack any ability to have

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 1>a nuanced conversation. I have a different set of standards

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:46.640
<v Speaker 1>for people who are in elected office and who told

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 1>us something very specific about this man and how dangerous

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:53.399
<v Speaker 1>he is, things that you and I all know and

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:57.239
<v Speaker 1>Andrew all know firsthand we witness the attack on our

0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:02.160
<v Speaker 1>brother under that administration. So I'm clear about the dangers

0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:04.520
<v Speaker 1>of it. I'm not clear if they know. That's why

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:06.640
<v Speaker 1>I said, I and this may have gotten FoST in

0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 1>all the other is that I said, But I said,

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I want to have a conversation to be like, why,

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 1>what beyond here go? What beyond respecting the office? What

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:17.919
<v Speaker 1>are you seeing is the opportunity for you being there?

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:22.239
<v Speaker 1>What policy priorities are you planning to carry in to

0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 1>this administration to help liberate black people? And if you're not,

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.200
<v Speaker 1>please tell me why you thought going to do this

0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:28.919
<v Speaker 1>was going to help.

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:31.919
<v Speaker 7>I think if we had played that Snoop sound bite

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:34.839
<v Speaker 7>in the same fashion that we played the you know,

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 7>the alleged Trump supporters on the Chicago street, or if

0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:40.319
<v Speaker 7>he was just a random person on the street and

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 7>you heard him say I love white people. I'm not

0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 7>raising my grandson is white. By the way, if he's

0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:48.680
<v Speaker 7>your biological grandson, Snoop, he's black Racio.

0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:51.360
<v Speaker 1>He was talking about mixed families. He said, yeah, anyway,

0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:52.240
<v Speaker 1>it's fine if.

0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 7>That's the biological grandson. Your grandson is black.

0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:55.239
<v Speaker 4>If it's not as.

0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:57.279
<v Speaker 1>Violent are you and that I'm saying. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to make a point that there's now a

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<v Speaker 1>white person in his fan so he loves white people,

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<v Speaker 1>not Donald Trump. Either way, it's not ignorant to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I disagree around the point of I do

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<v Speaker 1>think that white kids want to be more black now,

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<v Speaker 1>at least on the West Coast, than they did when

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<v Speaker 1>we were growing up.

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<v Speaker 4>Snoop is older than me.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that's absolutely the case. I can show

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<v Speaker 1>you proof of that, so that has that has shifted.

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<v Speaker 7>But but you're saying that more white kids today one

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<v Speaker 7>of the black than they did in the safties, when

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<v Speaker 7>the when the radio in the seventies. But there's I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>there's reading, there's documentaries, there's so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about them culturally appropriating our stuff. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that there's a distinction, and I do think that

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<v Speaker 1>on the West Coast it is probably a little bit different.

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:44.960
<v Speaker 1>It's different on the East Coast for sure. From my

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<v Speaker 1>experience in being in DC or on the mid Atlantic region,

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<v Speaker 1>it's different.

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<v Speaker 7>I think they've always wanted to be black. But we

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<v Speaker 7>can disagree there. But I was leaking, is Snoop. I

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<v Speaker 7>think if he weren't Snoop and we just heard that

0:37:56.920 --> 0:38:00.759
<v Speaker 7>sound bite. I wonder if we would have that same understanding,

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:03.200
<v Speaker 7>if we are willing to extend that same grace to

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:07.040
<v Speaker 7>somebody who isn't a personal friend or somebody who's not

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<v Speaker 7>in the public eye.

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<v Speaker 1>I told you no, I told you I know firsthand

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff that he's done, and that clip was to

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 1>show that he liked he does not. He said he

0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:17.879
<v Speaker 1>did not like Donald Trump at that point. He's now

0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 1>since then said he has love for Donald Trump because

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:21.439
<v Speaker 1>of what he did for his friend.

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<v Speaker 7>Here he go, and you the same way with Caruso,

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<v Speaker 7>who was running out.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have I don't have anything that. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that, dude, I don't know that. But you know

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Congressoman Karen Bass and but what.

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<v Speaker 4>But so, here's the.

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<v Speaker 1>Other part that we're gonna have to wrestle with at

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<v Speaker 1>some point, probably a larger podcast. Most elected officials don't

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<v Speaker 1>reach out to entertainers and communities the way Andrew Gilliam did.

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<v Speaker 4>That is the truth. That is something that has to

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<v Speaker 4>be wrestle.

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<v Speaker 1>With as a result of that, when people pounce on

0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:53.680
<v Speaker 1>your weakness and they go to people and go to

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:57.120
<v Speaker 1>fortify and build relationships with folks. People like to be

0:38:57.440 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>in close association and proximate to positions of power, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what, they're.

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<v Speaker 7>Willing to be used.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that. I don't think that it's always

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<v Speaker 1>about being used. I think it's a transaction. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>reason why CBC founder said no permanent friends, no permanent enemies,

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<v Speaker 1>just permanent interests. Okay, so I'm just saying that's something

0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 1>that we're being mastered. But he was at an unofficial event.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm narrating that. I'm raising my hand for y'all who

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:25.759
<v Speaker 6>are listening and can't see.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna call my friend Snoop and we'll be back.

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<v Speaker 6>I actually really wanted to approach this conversation from a

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<v Speaker 6>place of listening, because I think you all predict very

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<v Speaker 6>often that I'm always gonna come down on the side

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<v Speaker 6>of whatever is the norm and the status quo, which

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<v Speaker 6>of course I take issue with. But what I do

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<v Speaker 6>think is what I said here on this platform before,

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<v Speaker 6>and that is that people are extreme aly self interested

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<v Speaker 6>and there's no color. You know, there's there's there's no

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<v Speaker 6>there's no blindness to color, no regard rather for for

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<v Speaker 6>for color in regards to our interests uh and having

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<v Speaker 6>our needs met. And so, for instance, in Florida, when

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<v Speaker 6>I went to a certain well known you know, rapper,

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<v Speaker 6>one of the OG's names, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Won't Luke Campbell. I was about Luke. They weren't gonna

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<v Speaker 4>do it, So I did. That's tag team.

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<v Speaker 6>But to to meet, you know, with certain people, particularly

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 6>artists entertainers on the early end, for me, I had

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<v Speaker 6>I had to buy bungalows and lunch and all kinds

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<v Speaker 6>of other things that I admittedly said on the phone.

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<v Speaker 6>My campaign can't afford, and neither can I. And so

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<v Speaker 6>if there's not another option, we're not gonna be able

0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 6>to meet. And then you dig a little bit deeper

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<v Speaker 6>into the relationship of why you would choose this person

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<v Speaker 6>to get behind over me, who I think best represents

0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:06.680
<v Speaker 6>what your lived experiences has been. Why do you make

0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 6>that choice? And it is when I needed such and

0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 6>such and suchance that you gave my football. My distances

0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:15.360
<v Speaker 6>is that or this, and you're in And I almost

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:19.480
<v Speaker 6>I don't necessarily accept it as the as an appropriate answer,

0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:22.120
<v Speaker 6>and I don't even know nobody's asking for my acceptance

0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:24.600
<v Speaker 6>of it as an answer, but I do know this.

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<v Speaker 6>I get that when you have a direct example that

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 6>you can make for what somebody has done for you,

0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:34.560
<v Speaker 6>a lot of the other stuff falls by the wayside.

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<v Speaker 6>And let me say this. We have movement leaders right

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<v Speaker 6>now leading major civil rights organizations in this country who

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<v Speaker 6>have gone lighter and there and their accountability for certain networks, the.

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<v Speaker 4>Whole dam thing.

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<v Speaker 7>Money, talk about the whole things, about the whole thing, Angela,

0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 7>the names of names, because.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying I'm sad.

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<v Speaker 1>It ain't just Snap, it ain't just Nearly And he's

0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 1>just the civil rights leaders. It ain't just the mayors,

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:14.320
<v Speaker 1>it ain't just the state reps.

0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:16.680
<v Speaker 4>It ain't right, it's just my people.

0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:20.320
<v Speaker 7>But I got the dame for civil rights. I'm saying,

0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:22.440
<v Speaker 7>smoke for people who are my friends. I got the

0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:24.480
<v Speaker 7>same smoke for people who are my enemies. If you

0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 7>are willing to parade yourself out there like a mascot,

0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:30.879
<v Speaker 7>looking like a fool, in my opinion, at the risk

0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:32.880
<v Speaker 7>and damage that this administration is about to do to

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 7>black people because somebody lets you perform, or somebody puts

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:37.759
<v Speaker 7>your money in your pocket, and he's about to send

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<v Speaker 7>people to the slaughter who are in prisons right now

0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:42.239
<v Speaker 7>because he part in your one friend and you were

0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 7>okay with that. He is ripping families apart at the border,

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<v Speaker 7>ripping babies apart from their parents, and you okay with

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<v Speaker 7>that because he gave you your friend aparty.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't here, I have never or i've never nat.

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<v Speaker 7>I have never said Angela, it's about it, but showing up.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand your administration, I understand your perspective.

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<v Speaker 7>It is a disgrace of the ancestors. And thank god

0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:10.080
<v Speaker 7>there were people who have more principal, who were who

0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:13.239
<v Speaker 7>were not so cheaply bought to to not stand on

0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:16.000
<v Speaker 7>the same stage as other people who were just as harmful.

0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:20.080
<v Speaker 7>Perhaps and perhaps perhaps you were on some bullshit and

0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:20.719
<v Speaker 7>you look like.

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<v Speaker 6>It. Also could also could be that there are some

0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:29.160
<v Speaker 6>people who haven't had their needs yet directly met and

0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:32.080
<v Speaker 6>so they can still act free. And the only I

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<v Speaker 6>just want to reclaim time to simply say the point

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<v Speaker 6>I was trying to make about the self interest here,

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<v Speaker 6>and I made the same point when fifty and all

0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 6>these others had all this stuff that say said, y'all,

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:44.480
<v Speaker 6>fifty cent is in a different tax bracket than you,

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.319
<v Speaker 6>me and the rest of us. Is what he is

0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:49.800
<v Speaker 6>what he might be getting by virtue of this person

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<v Speaker 6>being elected. We may never see and I ever understand.

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<v Speaker 7>I just think that was.

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<v Speaker 6>Exact sample all. I think from the beginning of time

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<v Speaker 6>are you from the beginning of time a lot?

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<v Speaker 4>But I hear you.

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<v Speaker 7>I hear your point.

0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:09.839
<v Speaker 6>Okay, from the beginning of time?

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<v Speaker 2>What is.

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<v Speaker 4>The point is nuanced?

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<v Speaker 6>And I don't think I don't think it's nuanced. I

0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:20.720
<v Speaker 6>actually think it's I think it is very very human,

0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:26.600
<v Speaker 6>self individualized, personal self interest that drives every single person

0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:31.120
<v Speaker 6>on human on earth. And what allows us to sort

0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:34.760
<v Speaker 6>of go back big picture is when we remind ourselves

0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:36.920
<v Speaker 6>that we are not in that class of people, that

0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 6>we're not that individual, we're not that person, we're not

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:41.759
<v Speaker 6>with the right party to get the privilege. And so

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:43.759
<v Speaker 6>we then fall back on the fact that we if

0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:46.719
<v Speaker 6>we're not writing together, we're not writing at all. But

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<v Speaker 6>I promise you, when when folks find themselves in positions

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<v Speaker 6>of power, when they find themselves either in it themselves

0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:55.839
<v Speaker 6>in proximity to it, they look first to their own

0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:59.800
<v Speaker 6>interests and to their own self preservation, and then lots

0:44:59.840 --> 0:45:02.200
<v Speaker 6>of clever people get out there and decorate themselves as

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:05.359
<v Speaker 6>if they are riding for us. But in truth, we've

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:08.400
<v Speaker 6>seen them go hard against the opposition, and we know

0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 6>what going hard looks like. So when we see you

0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:14.399
<v Speaker 6>going light here, I can only draw one conclusion about

0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:16.839
<v Speaker 6>why that is. And that isn't all you took money

0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:18.800
<v Speaker 6>in the back of your pocket, but you got something.

0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:22.759
<v Speaker 6>There was something here at works that you're not disclosing

0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:24.960
<v Speaker 6>to the rest of us as to why it is

0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:28.000
<v Speaker 6>you're giving these folks that pass. I applaud you, Angela

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:31.040
<v Speaker 6>for at least announcing your contradiction. But for most of

0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:33.560
<v Speaker 6>these folks, many of them who consider themselves leaders in

0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:36.120
<v Speaker 6>our community, who we look to to be on the

0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:39.839
<v Speaker 6>front lines on our behalf, go and they cheapen their

0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:43.800
<v Speaker 6>position through what their gift, their exchange is going to be.

0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:47.800
<v Speaker 6>And all I'm saying is I think everyone is possible

0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:52.440
<v Speaker 6>for that level of subjugation. And two, it is incumbent

0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:54.719
<v Speaker 6>upon every last, single one of us to help save

0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:58.680
<v Speaker 6>ourselves because they're not saving us. I can't put my

0:45:58.760 --> 0:45:59.760
<v Speaker 6>faith in that anymore.

0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:02.239
<v Speaker 4>This is this is, this is the thing.

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:05.560
<v Speaker 1>So there's a scripture that says, for what shall it

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:07.840
<v Speaker 1>profit a man if he shall gain the whole world

0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:10.279
<v Speaker 1>and lose his own soul. And I think that that

0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:15.040
<v Speaker 1>own oxygen mask mentality has been removed from the aircraft

0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:18.680
<v Speaker 1>and taken into community, and that's dangerous. Black people can't

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:22.479
<v Speaker 1>afford to put only our own oxygen mask on first,

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 1>because the whole community needs oxygen that I'm not forgiving.

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:28.640
<v Speaker 1>It is one thing for you to say I appreciate

0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 1>this person for doing this one thing for me, and

0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:33.160
<v Speaker 1>for that I feel some type of a debt. But

0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:36.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call out when you are doing immigration raids

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:38.440
<v Speaker 1>in my community, and I'm gonna call out when you

0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:40.400
<v Speaker 1>tried to say COVID was a hoax and most of

0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:42.840
<v Speaker 1>my people died. And I'm gonna call out like whatever

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:45.480
<v Speaker 1>what you did with abortion rights and access, and I'm

0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:46.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna call like.

0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:48.320
<v Speaker 4>All of it. I think all of that needs to

0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:48.879
<v Speaker 4>be called out.

0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:51.840
<v Speaker 1>It is fine for you to say I've benefited in

0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:54.360
<v Speaker 1>that way this way, but it is not okay for

0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:56.800
<v Speaker 1>you to turn a blind eye to everything else that happened.

0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:59.759
<v Speaker 1>It is fine for you to say this happened, and

0:46:59.840 --> 0:47:02.279
<v Speaker 1>then therefore I'm gonna do this, But I hope that

0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:05.520
<v Speaker 1>you will not lessen your critique, that you will not

0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:09.719
<v Speaker 1>lessen the ability to hold account like hold accountability in.

0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:13.920
<v Speaker 4>The same container as your praise. We do it all

0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:14.319
<v Speaker 4>the time.

0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:17.200
<v Speaker 1>I just said at the beginning of the show, here's

0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:19.480
<v Speaker 1>what the Biden administration got right. And now let me

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:21.080
<v Speaker 1>tell you all the things where I feel like they

0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:24.279
<v Speaker 1>got wrong because it set us back. That's when I

0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:26.600
<v Speaker 1>when I say nuance, that's what I mean. I am

0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:29.760
<v Speaker 1>clear about what happens when we do self preservation first.

0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:32.960
<v Speaker 1>That has always served us poorly. That is how we

0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:36.560
<v Speaker 1>got across the Transatlantic okay, across the Atlantic Ocean and

0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:37.799
<v Speaker 1>the Transatlantic slave trade.

0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:40.200
<v Speaker 4>That is not beneficial to us. I'm not okay.

0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:43.440
<v Speaker 1>All I'm telling y'all is I want to know why,

0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:45.719
<v Speaker 1>and I want to know why firsthand, and I want

0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:47.800
<v Speaker 1>to know how they're gonna make it right, because I

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:49.600
<v Speaker 1>do think they have an obligation to make it work right.

0:47:49.640 --> 0:47:51.759
<v Speaker 1>What I would love to do, when we have some

0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:54.239
<v Speaker 1>more time, is figure out all the ways that we

0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:58.880
<v Speaker 1>can also hold the organizations who hold themselves.

0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:02.880
<v Speaker 4>In position sure yes, serve us and our needs to

0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 4>move our agenda forward.

0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:08.440
<v Speaker 1>The elected officials, the appointed officials, the leaders, all of

0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:12.799
<v Speaker 1>these people. What is the standard of engagement with this administration.

0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Some should boycott, some should only critique, but I hope

0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:19.959
<v Speaker 1>that's not what we do on this podcast. I hope

0:48:20.160 --> 0:48:22.680
<v Speaker 1>that we will uplift when things are challenging and how

0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:25.520
<v Speaker 1>great that harm is to us. There was a listener

0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:27.239
<v Speaker 1>question that came in. I don't know if we got

0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:30.440
<v Speaker 1>it to play it, but they had ideas about what

0:48:30.640 --> 0:48:33.600
<v Speaker 1>we should be doing each week when the administration does something,

0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 1>how does it impact Black people at a disparate level.

0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:40.080
<v Speaker 1>These things have to be taught. Even folks who are

0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:43.640
<v Speaker 1>in high position, they don't always know. So, yeah, it's ignorant,

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:45.879
<v Speaker 1>but it's not even will for ignorance. It's like where

0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:47.640
<v Speaker 1>do we go find this? We gonna bring it to

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<v Speaker 1>you right here to ensure.

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<v Speaker 7>To find out Like that was one of my challenges

0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:53.640
<v Speaker 7>when Steve Harvey went to meet with Donald Trump, Like

0:48:53.719 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 7>why do you think you are the person to go

0:48:55.800 --> 0:48:58.080
<v Speaker 7>sit at the table with Donald Trump and discuss policy

0:48:58.360 --> 0:49:01.360
<v Speaker 7>when you are not a policy exit on literally anything.

0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:04.000
<v Speaker 4>So he was gonna give money to his camp. He

0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:05.799
<v Speaker 4>told him he was gonna get money there, which has some.

0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:09.040
<v Speaker 7>I would say, you are being used and bought cheap.

0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:11.040
<v Speaker 7>But I want to ask you to say, we go

0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:14.120
<v Speaker 7>to the viewer question. So you have been working tirelessly

0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:18.120
<v Speaker 7>on behalf of Marilyn Moseby, and like you, she is

0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:21.480
<v Speaker 7>a client. Essentially, she's your client, but also your your

0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:25.160
<v Speaker 7>boy pro bo no yes, but also our sister. You

0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:28.239
<v Speaker 7>know who we support. If Donald Trump said, you know

0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:30.120
<v Speaker 7>what I'm gonna give, I'm gonna give her a pardon.

0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:32.600
<v Speaker 7>But you need to show up to this inauguration ball.

0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:35.400
<v Speaker 7>You have to deliver the pledge of allegiance and just

0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:37.399
<v Speaker 7>don't say shit bad about me for the next year

0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:39.600
<v Speaker 7>in twenty twenty six. You can say everything you want,

0:49:39.800 --> 0:49:42.040
<v Speaker 7>but basically, I want you to show up to this ball.

0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:42.640
<v Speaker 4>I want you.

0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:44.600
<v Speaker 7>If I got the meet with black leaders at the

0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:46.120
<v Speaker 7>White House, I want you there. I want to take

0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:48.120
<v Speaker 7>a picture with you, and you got to post it

0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:50.480
<v Speaker 7>on your Instagram and say thank you President Trump for

0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:51.080
<v Speaker 7>this pardon.

0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:52.279
<v Speaker 4>Would you do it?

0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:55.200
<v Speaker 1>I would think I would think that I would find

0:49:55.239 --> 0:49:56.600
<v Speaker 1>a way to get to yes. But I ain't doing

0:49:56.640 --> 0:49:57.080
<v Speaker 1>none of this shit.

0:49:57.160 --> 0:49:57.600
<v Speaker 6>You just said.

0:49:57.760 --> 0:50:01.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm not. You would I can't, I can't, I can't,

0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:04.040
<v Speaker 4>and I can't tell anybody that was a deal quiet

0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:06.160
<v Speaker 4>about no, no, no, no, no, no, I I couldn't

0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:07.719
<v Speaker 4>do it. But what I can tell you is.

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<v Speaker 1>We have had conversations with all of the options on

0:50:15.840 --> 0:50:18.880
<v Speaker 1>the table, and a pardon for Donald Trump from Donald

0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump to for Maryland is not off the table.

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<v Speaker 4>I will tell you. I will tell you that.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, I don't care who the justice comes from

0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:31.040
<v Speaker 1>and why the justice comes.

0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:32.080
<v Speaker 4>It just needs to come.

0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:32.520
<v Speaker 6>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>If in exchange for that, he wants me to lose

0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:39.120
<v Speaker 4>my own soul, it's not happening. Like I just I

0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:42.560
<v Speaker 4>can't do that. I don't I know what your point is.

0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:47.080
<v Speaker 4>I'm interested that you. I'm not wired.

0:50:47.239 --> 0:50:49.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm not wired that way, Tiff, and I think the

0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:52.200
<v Speaker 1>thing that we have to wrestle with as our obligation

0:50:52.360 --> 0:50:54.680
<v Speaker 1>You too, Andrew, because you guys are also not this way.

0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:58.200
<v Speaker 1>One of the things that I love about you guys

0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:02.760
<v Speaker 1>is I know that it's never about self first.

0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:06.000
<v Speaker 4>And if there's ever a moment where I feel like

0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:07.879
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna go that way, I know that y'all will

0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:08.560
<v Speaker 4>bring me back.

0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that everybody isn't so fortunate, so blessed to

0:51:13.840 --> 0:51:16.880
<v Speaker 1>have that type of cocoon, and we have to figure

0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:19.560
<v Speaker 1>out a way to make sure our folks know the

0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:23.800
<v Speaker 1>history of what happens when we put self over culture

0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:29.640
<v Speaker 1>or independence over interdependence. It does not work for Black people.

0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:33.319
<v Speaker 1>You can go and try to fulfill the Caucasian blue

0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:36.759
<v Speaker 1>Book if you want to, it ain't gonna work for you.

0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:39.320
<v Speaker 1>It might work for a time, it might work for

0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:41.800
<v Speaker 1>a season, it is not going to work for you

0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:44.440
<v Speaker 1>in the long run. And I think that's really what

0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:45.680
<v Speaker 1>our folks are saying.

0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:46.520
<v Speaker 4>They're not.

0:51:48.440 --> 0:51:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Just enraged with Nelly, Rick Ross, Snoop fifty. They are

0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:55.480
<v Speaker 1>hurt because these are people that they've counted on. Well

0:51:55.520 --> 0:51:57.400
<v Speaker 1>maybe not Nellie, I love you, you know, use my

0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:00.839
<v Speaker 1>fiance on TV, but respectfully, you don't have the same

0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:05.960
<v Speaker 1>cultural uh you know, input, and you know, anyway, Snoop

0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:10.040
<v Speaker 1>is Snoop and maybe arguably fifty. I think that people

0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:14.000
<v Speaker 1>always trusted that they would get truth by any means

0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:17.759
<v Speaker 1>necessary from Snoop, and I think that's what people are reflected.

0:52:17.840 --> 0:52:19.960
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, I'm looking forward to having a conversation

0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:21.560
<v Speaker 1>with them about it and figure out where we go

0:52:21.680 --> 0:52:21.960
<v Speaker 1>from here.

0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:23.800
<v Speaker 4>We got to go somewhere. We can't stay here to

0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:24.200
<v Speaker 4>say't it?

0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:27.399
<v Speaker 6>At some point?

0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:32.240
<v Speaker 7>I wait, I wait, can I'll be quiet very patient

0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:34.120
<v Speaker 7>with us. This whole episode.

0:52:35.120 --> 0:52:36.880
<v Speaker 6>Famous last week, so I tried to.

0:52:37.320 --> 0:52:42.680
<v Speaker 7>But I've apologizing to you, Andrew, because you have been

0:52:42.880 --> 0:52:46.520
<v Speaker 7>very patient today. I just want to say, in all

0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:50.520
<v Speaker 7>of our careers, but certainly mine and television, there were

0:52:50.600 --> 0:52:53.000
<v Speaker 7>definitely pathways I could have taken if I wanted to

0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:55.439
<v Speaker 7>be self interested. I want to host the Today Show.

0:52:55.800 --> 0:52:58.239
<v Speaker 7>I want to earn seven figures. There were things that

0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:00.320
<v Speaker 7>I didn't have to do or say. I didn't have

0:53:00.400 --> 0:53:02.359
<v Speaker 7>to hold the line for the community on my show

0:53:02.440 --> 0:53:04.719
<v Speaker 7>to my own peril. There were things in life I

0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:07.520
<v Speaker 7>could have taken different jobs for different companies and done

0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:10.399
<v Speaker 7>communications for this company or outreached of this company. I've

0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:13.360
<v Speaker 7>always wanted to live in service to black folks. I

0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:18.279
<v Speaker 7>am convicted that I share this space with two co

0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:21.759
<v Speaker 7>hosts who also feel that way, and so I do

0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:25.000
<v Speaker 7>not have the same grace or understanding. I don't think

0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:27.240
<v Speaker 7>it's a bad thing to have it. I just personally

0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:30.680
<v Speaker 7>do not have it, because when you have paid well,

0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:33.080
<v Speaker 7>you've made that sacrifice and paid a price for it.

0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:37.959
<v Speaker 7>I just think like I'm willing to bleed for my people.

0:53:38.040 --> 0:53:39.800
<v Speaker 7>I'm willing to die for my people. I'm going to

0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:42.160
<v Speaker 7>join a fight for my people. And if somebody came

0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:43.600
<v Speaker 7>to me and said, I'm going to offer you this

0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:48.440
<v Speaker 7>one breadcrumb if you would but sacrifice your people, I

0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:52.200
<v Speaker 7>always knew I could always come home to community. The

0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:56.279
<v Speaker 7>favor and love from white corporate entities is fickle. They

0:53:56.360 --> 0:53:58.880
<v Speaker 7>will love you on Monday and hate you by Friday.

0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:01.400
<v Speaker 7>But there is nothing I can imagine that would be

0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:04.839
<v Speaker 7>dangled before me that would make me want to sacrifice

0:54:04.920 --> 0:54:08.680
<v Speaker 7>the genuine birthright of love that I have from my

0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:11.120
<v Speaker 7>fellow black people, who I will always to the day

0:54:11.200 --> 0:54:14.120
<v Speaker 7>I die, live in service to definite good point. And

0:54:14.160 --> 0:54:15.440
<v Speaker 7>I think y'all both feel the same.

0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:17.400
<v Speaker 6>Way I do. And I know that we were going

0:54:17.480 --> 0:54:19.480
<v Speaker 6>to push to another topic, but I just wanted to say,

0:54:19.640 --> 0:54:24.120
<v Speaker 6>in practicality, the exchange the offer is very rarely, if ever,

0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:29.239
<v Speaker 6>that obvious of quid pro quo. Almost always it is

0:54:30.480 --> 0:54:33.600
<v Speaker 6>the exchanges is that the president is going to do

0:54:33.800 --> 0:54:36.719
<v Speaker 6>he sees the injustice in your situation, and we're going

0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:39.360
<v Speaker 6>to pardon you. And the reason why they don't expect

0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:42.239
<v Speaker 6>anything on the back end is the symbolism of their

0:54:42.360 --> 0:54:46.800
<v Speaker 6>extension of that grace does the job for itself. It

0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:50.640
<v Speaker 6>speaks volumes for us that when Kwame Killpatrick got pardon

0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:53.360
<v Speaker 6>amongst rattlers and the Family Comity and a bunch of

0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:56.560
<v Speaker 6>as alphas rama, folks really felt a sort of way

0:54:56.640 --> 0:54:59.120
<v Speaker 6>because they know the effort and energy that went into

0:54:59.200 --> 0:55:02.440
<v Speaker 6>the previous hitmentministration a Democrat and trying to get that

0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:06.000
<v Speaker 6>same thing to have happened. And the commute correct right

0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.760
<v Speaker 6>read the community of the sentence, and it didn't happen.

0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:11.279
<v Speaker 6>And so Kwame didn't have to go out there and

0:55:11.360 --> 0:55:13.560
<v Speaker 6>hold a sign for Donald Trump. He didn't have to

0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:15.840
<v Speaker 6>say a damn thing beyond that. The action in and

0:55:15.960 --> 0:55:20.799
<v Speaker 6>of itself suggested to the people what that may have meant.

0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:24.480
<v Speaker 6>And that's all I'm saying with regard to the example

0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:27.680
<v Speaker 6>you gave around Maryland, it isn't going to be you know,

0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:29.279
<v Speaker 6>if you do this, then you show up here, here, here,

0:55:29.320 --> 0:55:31.880
<v Speaker 6>and here the extension of that grace to her. Let

0:55:31.920 --> 0:55:33.880
<v Speaker 6>me tell you this, They're gonna let everybody know they

0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:36.840
<v Speaker 6>did it. She's obviously going to let folks know that

0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:42.280
<v Speaker 6>she received one. And the action will speak for itself,

0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:46.080
<v Speaker 6>and guess what, it will likely inure more people toward

0:55:46.200 --> 0:55:49.480
<v Speaker 6>him because it will be a sign of what he

0:55:49.560 --> 0:55:52.279
<v Speaker 6>has an appetite for the problem, of course that all

0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:55.880
<v Speaker 6>of us are able to readily identify is that that

0:55:56.239 --> 0:56:05.720
<v Speaker 6>is individual case, specifi selective. How do you say grace

0:56:06.200 --> 0:56:08.960
<v Speaker 6>if I wanted to use that word very loosely. However,

0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:12.160
<v Speaker 6>what isn't happening is that grace is not being extended

0:56:12.200 --> 0:56:17.360
<v Speaker 6>to a system that is designed to produce this outcome

0:56:17.600 --> 0:56:20.200
<v Speaker 6>every single time you put the input in. When the

0:56:20.280 --> 0:56:22.640
<v Speaker 6>input goes in, this is the exact outcome we're going

0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:25.840
<v Speaker 6>to get. So the failure to to disrupt that system

0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:30.000
<v Speaker 6>becomes then our greater community's responsibility to say, wow, thank you,

0:56:30.239 --> 0:56:32.479
<v Speaker 6>you did the right thing here for Maryland. Now, let's

0:56:32.520 --> 0:56:36.000
<v Speaker 6>talk about the incarceration rates, the over prosecution rates, the

0:56:36.120 --> 0:56:39.600
<v Speaker 6>over sentencing in our community. What we're going to do

0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:44.120
<v Speaker 6>about that, because that is where the larger community issue exists,

0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:48.839
<v Speaker 6>and us ripping fathers, brothers, sons, daughters, sisters away from

0:56:48.880 --> 0:56:55.040
<v Speaker 6>their families because of a churning system that is insatiable.

0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:58.680
<v Speaker 6>It will never be full. The appetite is never satisfied

0:56:59.200 --> 0:57:02.000
<v Speaker 6>because the system wasn't designed to ever satisfy it. You

0:57:02.160 --> 0:57:05.120
<v Speaker 6>just got to keep putting and puts in. I'm off

0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:07.759
<v Speaker 6>the ladder, y'all. But I just I can't help but

0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:10.960
<v Speaker 6>think that one it is in Maryland's fault if she

0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:14.040
<v Speaker 6>got a pardon through Trump. But I do know what

0:57:14.160 --> 0:57:16.440
<v Speaker 6>the symbolism will send by way of a signal to

0:57:16.520 --> 0:57:19.160
<v Speaker 6>the community. And I think the community's reaction or the

0:57:19.160 --> 0:57:21.800
<v Speaker 6>community's response has to be that's good, you did a

0:57:21.880 --> 0:57:24.520
<v Speaker 6>good thing here. But now let's talk about the system

0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:27.320
<v Speaker 6>and how we leveled it so that people like Maryland

0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:30.760
<v Speaker 6>are not right back on the doorstep tomorrow morning, because

0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:32.080
<v Speaker 6>we all know that's where it's gonna go.

0:57:32.800 --> 0:57:35.560
<v Speaker 4>That's just it to you, guys. This is honestly, honest

0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:37.480
<v Speaker 4>to God, this is what I'm wrestling with.

0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:42.760
<v Speaker 1>It's not just these isolated instances or incidents with these rappers.

0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:43.240
<v Speaker 10>It is.

0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:45.280
<v Speaker 6>It is.

0:57:46.960 --> 0:57:50.479
<v Speaker 1>Two things in their contradictory. Again, sorry, I'm walking hypocrisy today.

0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:55.120
<v Speaker 4>I apologize. So yeah, all my gray areas, I'm in

0:57:55.160 --> 0:57:59.240
<v Speaker 4>the gray to day. So there is this idea that.

0:58:01.440 --> 0:58:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden had this bucket for public corruption, he wouldn't

0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:06.320
<v Speaker 1>touch any public corruption cases even if they were CBC

0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:08.640
<v Speaker 1>members who want supported him, from Kareem Brown to al

0:58:08.680 --> 0:58:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Sie Hastings posthumously to whatever right with this administration that

0:58:15.160 --> 0:58:18.600
<v Speaker 1>was sworn in on Mlkday, where anything goes where you

0:58:18.720 --> 0:58:22.320
<v Speaker 1>can buy your way into the policy or the deregulation

0:58:22.520 --> 0:58:27.000
<v Speaker 1>that you want the cloud around her to the general

0:58:27.120 --> 0:58:29.480
<v Speaker 1>public then, and not just the Marylands of the world,

0:58:29.520 --> 0:58:31.560
<v Speaker 1>but the others who didn't receive the parties, the thousands

0:58:31.600 --> 0:58:32.439
<v Speaker 1>that Tiffany talked about.

0:58:32.520 --> 0:58:33.240
<v Speaker 4>Let's say he does it.

0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:36.600
<v Speaker 1>What it says because of the image of this administration

0:58:36.720 --> 0:58:40.240
<v Speaker 1>in my own mind is he lets all corruption go.

0:58:40.440 --> 0:58:42.440
<v Speaker 1>So then these people who didn't deserve there to be

0:58:42.520 --> 0:58:46.080
<v Speaker 1>there to begin with are now under this like they're

0:58:46.080 --> 0:58:49.080
<v Speaker 1>associated with corruption bubba, which also sucks.

0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:50.400
<v Speaker 4>That's one thing.

0:58:50.920 --> 0:58:54.120
<v Speaker 1>The other thing that it does is, and this is

0:58:54.200 --> 0:58:57.240
<v Speaker 1>the part that's enraging and really sad to me, is

0:58:58.040 --> 0:59:02.360
<v Speaker 1>for the people who fought the artist to preserve the

0:59:02.440 --> 0:59:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party, to uplift the Democratic Party, to challenge it

0:59:07.280 --> 0:59:10.840
<v Speaker 1>to be better, to contract with us, to hire us,

0:59:10.920 --> 0:59:14.440
<v Speaker 1>to run us, to utilize us, to lift us up,

0:59:14.520 --> 0:59:17.160
<v Speaker 1>to support our agenda.

0:59:19.320 --> 0:59:23.240
<v Speaker 4>We didn't really have audience there. We could talk, you

0:59:23.280 --> 0:59:26.320
<v Speaker 4>would agree, Joe Biden. You would look in the faces

0:59:26.480 --> 0:59:29.840
<v Speaker 4>of parishioners in church on Sunday in South Carolina and

0:59:29.920 --> 0:59:32.520
<v Speaker 4>say you're gonna see what you can do for Maryland.

0:59:33.040 --> 0:59:35.040
<v Speaker 4>You always do the right thing to say, but could

0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:37.800
<v Speaker 4>never find the right thing to do or shouldn't say never.

0:59:37.880 --> 0:59:41.120
<v Speaker 4>That's not true rarely, especially when it came time to

0:59:41.160 --> 0:59:42.200
<v Speaker 4>talk about our justice.

0:59:42.560 --> 0:59:45.120
<v Speaker 1>That's the conundrum. I'm not trying to send people to

0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:48.360
<v Speaker 1>the Republican Party. I definitely ain't seen justice there. But

0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:52.800
<v Speaker 1>what happens if they start filling the holes, you know,

0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:56.280
<v Speaker 1>of the places where we've been abused and misused and

0:59:56.440 --> 0:59:58.720
<v Speaker 1>unheard and treated as invisible in this party.

0:59:58.960 --> 0:59:59.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna lie to y'all.

0:59:59.880 --> 1:00:00.600
<v Speaker 6>That scares me.

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<v Speaker 1>That scares me because I don't think it's better over there.

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<v Speaker 1>But if over time the policies become better over there,

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<v Speaker 1>Black people shouldn't be beholden to a party. They should

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<v Speaker 1>be beholden to their collective interests. And I think there

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<v Speaker 1>in lies the balance. Our collective interests have to pave

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<v Speaker 1>the way, not our solo interests.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, that's the busy stead and y'all, you know what,

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<v Speaker 6>We've got a lot more on this, so our listeners,

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<v Speaker 6>we're never gonna close this out because we have to

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<v Speaker 6>wrestle with it. And guess what, I just agree. Sure,

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<v Speaker 6>they're gonna be stages to this thing, because I've already

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<v Speaker 6>seen the evolution Angela from last week to this week

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<v Speaker 6>in some of your comments similar to what Tiffany has

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<v Speaker 6>already highlighted, which I was.

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<v Speaker 4>If it was souper, I might not be there.

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<v Speaker 6>But that's honestly, but we're gonna hold you accountable to

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<v Speaker 6>your say. Now see in the future, have that kind

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<v Speaker 6>of grace with your brother who says I don't give

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<v Speaker 6>a damn about a coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I have grace for you saying you don't give

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<v Speaker 1>a damn about a coffee. I think that grace for

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<v Speaker 1>you saying it was fine. I just my only thing

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<v Speaker 1>is I think that elected leaders have a different responsibility.

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<v Speaker 4>I hear you guys's point.

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<v Speaker 6>I think we have influence over again, I hear that

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<v Speaker 6>people who have influence, I hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, in order for them to properly leverage

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<v Speaker 1>their influence, they have to be educated. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that it is an I don't think that it

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<v Speaker 1>is a wanton disregard for education. I think that there's

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<v Speaker 1>not been an opportunity.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, here's my one piece of advice to those individuals

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<v Speaker 6>like ours. So joining entertainers in a generation before when

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<v Speaker 6>they didn't know the particulars of the issues of the matters,

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<v Speaker 6>they bought experts with them. They didn't go into rooms

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<v Speaker 6>by themselves. They bought people who knew, who sat alongside them,

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<v Speaker 6>and when the question was posed, that entertainer, that celebrity,

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<v Speaker 6>that influence would look to the expert to name names,

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<v Speaker 6>to name agendas, and then make sure that the exchange

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<v Speaker 6>was one that was equitable and right for our community.

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<v Speaker 6>And so if you if you don't know, ignorance is

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<v Speaker 6>no longer if it has ever been a sufficient excuse,

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<v Speaker 6>there are a lot of tools available to you. And

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<v Speaker 6>Tiff take us to uh to a topic that I

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<v Speaker 6>know has to be on your mind there in d C.

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<v Speaker 7>Mey, we've gone I don't even want to get I

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<v Speaker 7>think this is the most interesting topic. I sell go

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<v Speaker 7>at the beginning. If there's time, we would get into this.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think we have exhausted even with that.

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<v Speaker 6>All your DC friends and government.

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<v Speaker 7>Who I think this topic is so it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 7>so interesting to people. And we didn't even get into

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<v Speaker 7>all the things that we wanted to because we really

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<v Speaker 7>didn't talk a lot about black engagement, you know, and

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<v Speaker 7>what that looks like going forward.

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<v Speaker 6>I think there. I think there are phases to this, y'all.

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<v Speaker 6>This is why I think we have to let the

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<v Speaker 6>listeners know we're going to absolutely but you.

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<v Speaker 7>Guys from this lively discussion. I do want you guys

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<v Speaker 7>to know this discussion is going to continue over time.

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<v Speaker 7>I would love to hear from the viewers what you

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<v Speaker 7>guys want to hear when it comes to black engagement.

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<v Speaker 7>What can we inform you about and how can we

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<v Speaker 7>be helpful as we're all figuring this out because we

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<v Speaker 7>you know, we are flying by the seat of our

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<v Speaker 7>pants here with this administration.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, everybody, we hate going to break and we definitely

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<v Speaker 1>hate to break up the conversation, but we'll be right

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<v Speaker 1>back after this break.

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<v Speaker 2>Well come, well, come, well, come, well, come, well come, welcome.

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<v Speaker 7>Moving us right along, we want to get into CTAs. Angela.

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<v Speaker 7>I know you were saying it's really important that you

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<v Speaker 7>wanted to leave people at least today with something that

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<v Speaker 7>they can do. So all of our CTAs will center

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<v Speaker 7>around a call to action, something that you can do

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<v Speaker 7>to hopefully bring some knowledge, information, serenity, action, whatever that

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<v Speaker 7>thing is as we go for it. So Angel you

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<v Speaker 7>want to go first.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm gonna just echo what I know Andrew's gonna do,

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<v Speaker 1>which is to play this prayer from the Bishop. We

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<v Speaker 1>definitely gonna need intercessory prayer to make it through the

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<v Speaker 1>next four years. I'd also just say one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite things that you say all the time TIF is

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<v Speaker 1>to approach things with genuine curiosity, and I would invite

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<v Speaker 1>us all to do that even when we fundamentally disagree

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<v Speaker 1>with people. You know, why are you pursuing this policy?

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<v Speaker 1>Why would you support someone that is doing things that

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<v Speaker 1>cause intentional harm to other communities? And then when you

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<v Speaker 1>do see an intentional harm being, you know, placed onto

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<v Speaker 1>the backs of people who can't fight for themselves, make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you stand up for them and ask why. Make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you figure out how to arm and equip them.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen a number of posts from our elected officials,

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<v Speaker 1>some of them are friends, like Congressoman Ayana Presley on

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<v Speaker 1>advising people of what to do if ice comes knocking

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<v Speaker 1>at their door or comes to their workplace for an

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<v Speaker 1>ICE raid. That's immigration and customs enforcement. So make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that you're telling people what they can do if things

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<v Speaker 1>like that happen. If someone is being targeted, that you

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<v Speaker 1>know about making sure that you stand with them to

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<v Speaker 1>ensure that they're not going through that on their own.

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<v Speaker 1>The most important thing for us to remember is that

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<v Speaker 1>we were created to be interdependent. That means when we

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<v Speaker 1>go through struggle, we shouldn't go through it alone, and

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<v Speaker 1>when we're celebrating a victory, we shouldn't be alone either.

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<v Speaker 7>I feel, are we closing with the bishop?

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<v Speaker 6>We will close with the bishop?

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<v Speaker 7>See go ahead, Andrew.

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<v Speaker 6>A part of my cta, which is which is the

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<v Speaker 6>first one is if your head is spinning right now

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<v Speaker 6>to the news, to these executive orders to shit, what

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<v Speaker 6>feels like the capitulation of people you admired, respected, expected

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<v Speaker 6>more from. The idea of the other side is to

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<v Speaker 6>exhaust you is to get you so dejected, rejected, alone,

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<v Speaker 6>and out of community so that you aren't able to

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<v Speaker 6>mount the kind of fight that is required in this moment.

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<v Speaker 6>If they exhaust us, if they tire us all out,

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<v Speaker 6>if they make us throw up our hands and say,

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<v Speaker 6>you know what, to hell, they got it all anyway, Uh,

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<v Speaker 6>then we're making their job that much easier. We're making

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<v Speaker 6>their walk, their drive that much straighter. If there are

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<v Speaker 6>no speed bumps, no stop signs, no concrete boulders to delay, defray,

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<v Speaker 6>or completely deflect their assault, then they're going to go

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<v Speaker 6>straight away into it. So I know that we all

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<v Speaker 6>have exhaustion and disappointment and let down and hurt and

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<v Speaker 6>fear and all that other stuff residing in our heads,

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<v Speaker 6>in our minds and our spirits right now, But know

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<v Speaker 6>that those are all tools of the enemy, and they're

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<v Speaker 6>all non redemptive. They don't help us, they don't elevate us,

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<v Speaker 6>they don't get us freer. I just want to point

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<v Speaker 6>in closing on this, my request is to maybe possibly

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<v Speaker 6>take some example from the good bishop who's hopefully going

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<v Speaker 6>to close us out after Tiffany's CTA, to give us,

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<v Speaker 6>I think, a spirit of fight, a spirit of speaking

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<v Speaker 6>truth to power, and then an example of how to

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<v Speaker 6>do it without fear.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, So my CTA is. I know a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>you ask like, what are reputable sources where we can go?

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<v Speaker 7>And I just wanted to give a big shout out

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<v Speaker 7>to Michael Harriet. He curated an amazing weekend. We traveled

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<v Speaker 7>to the Deep South in Georgia, and in my outcast voice,

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<v Speaker 7>all the players came from far and wide, writers and

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<v Speaker 7>doers and dreamers and builders came. And he announced the

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<v Speaker 7>launch of contraband Camp, which is a substack that he

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<v Speaker 7>found it so you'll see familiar names on there. There'll

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<v Speaker 7>be actual reporting writers and as you all know, he's

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<v Speaker 7>the best selling author of Black af History, so please

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<v Speaker 7>read that. Also, Aaron Haynes does an amazing newsletter and

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<v Speaker 7>writes a column for the nineteenth so please check that

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<v Speaker 7>out and really quickly. My last CTA is, please please

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<v Speaker 7>please vote for us for the NAACP Image Awards. You

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<v Speaker 7>can vote at NAACP image dot net. You can vote

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<v Speaker 7>as many times from different emails. It cannot be the

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<v Speaker 7>same email. But tell your friends, family, everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't get us disqualified. No, that's not your kindest glory.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a father of confusion.

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<v Speaker 4>She didn't mean that.

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<v Speaker 7>No, everybody saying you can tell your friends family, Yeah, yes, everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>So everybody what I was thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>And it would never encourage you to vote the multiple

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<v Speaker 1>email address.

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<v Speaker 7>I think make sure that that y'all tell your friends

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<v Speaker 7>and family to vote for us. And all right, Andrew,

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<v Speaker 7>I know you have a great CTA. And Wade Clows

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<v Speaker 7>us out.

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<v Speaker 6>So let's see and hear an example from the great Bishop.

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<v Speaker 10>Let me make one final plea, mister President, millions have

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<v Speaker 10>put their trust in you, and as you told the

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<v Speaker 10>nation yesterday, you have felt the providential hand.

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<v Speaker 6>Of a loving God. In the name of our God,

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<v Speaker 6>I ask.

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<v Speaker 10>You to have mercy upon the people in our country.

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<v Speaker 10>And we're scared now. There are gay, lesbian, and transgender

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<v Speaker 10>children in Democratic, Republican and independent families, some who fear

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<v Speaker 10>for their lives. And the people, the people who pick

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<v Speaker 10>our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in

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<v Speaker 10>poultry farms and meatpacking plants, who wash the dishes after

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<v Speaker 10>we eat in restaurants, and work the night shifts in hospitals.

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<v Speaker 10>They may not be citizens or have the proper documentation,

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<v Speaker 10>but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.

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