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Speaker 6: Okay, well, welcome home, everybody. That was a mess. But
Speaker 6: this is episode sixty three of Native Landpod, where we
Speaker 6: give you our breakdown on all things politics and culture
Speaker 6: and I'm very, very fortunate to be here with you
Speaker 6: today with my co host Tiffany Cross and Angelo Rye. Ladies,
Speaker 6: how are you greats.
Speaker 1: I'm just letting freedom ring out here in these plagiaris streets.
Speaker 6: Yeah, helloy, they letting snowfall down here in Florida. So
Speaker 6: anything is possible.
Speaker 4: Anything, Everything clearly goes in his day and age.
Speaker 6: I'm telling you, I'm reminded this morning when I woke
Speaker 6: up and saw this white in the yard, in the
Speaker 6: streets of my grandmother saying we living in our last days.
Speaker 4: And evil days.
Speaker 7: I just want to tell the audience what they just heard,
Speaker 7: because not everybody watched the inauguration, but obviously Martin Luther
Speaker 7: King day has passed, and so we started the show
Speaker 7: with the authentic words of doctor Martin Luther King. But
Speaker 7: what you heard immediately following that was a plagiarizer, essentially,
Speaker 7: this preacher that Donald Trump invited to inauguration this past weekend,
Speaker 7: which I know a lot of you did not watch.
Speaker 7: But for the few of you who did, who was
Speaker 7: cause playing Doctor King in the most disrespectful way. So
Speaker 7: I don't know, Angela, the King family can sue, but
Speaker 7: it certainly seems like he did not give credits to
Speaker 7: the originator of those beautiful words and the.
Speaker 6: Middle of a quote prayer right supposed to be praying?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that he was praying. He was also performing.
Speaker 1: He did a little praise dance. He was might have whatever. Anyway,
Speaker 1: point is, I don't know who goes to this man congregation,
Speaker 1: but please call him for for an altar call.
Speaker 6: What are we talking about?
Speaker 7: What are we talking about?
Speaker 6: What do y'all have? Tell me?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 7: I want to get into briefly if there's time, because
Speaker 7: we had a lot to get to in the show,
Speaker 7: So if there's time, I want to talk about the
Speaker 7: end the federal government ending the work from home policy
Speaker 7: as soon as Donald Trump took office. I'm curious what
Speaker 7: you guys think about work from home policies because this
Speaker 7: is something that people are split on. But I really
Speaker 7: want to dive deeper into that and explain to the
Speaker 7: audience what this could mean for our politics, but more importantly,
Speaker 7: what it could mean for DEI initiatives.
Speaker 6: Nice, Nice, Angela.
Speaker 4: I want to talk about pardons.
Speaker 1: We know that the president, no matter who it is,
Speaker 1: has the full pardon power constitutionally, and I want to
Speaker 1: talk about how Joe Biden chose to use his pardon
Speaker 1: power in his final days, even his final hours, versus
Speaker 1: how Donald Trump chose to use his pardon power even
Speaker 1: both of them on January sixth, related issues in his
Speaker 1: first few hours as president.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, Ronning, I guess the conversation. I love, love,
Speaker 6: love for us to engage on this topic of how
Speaker 6: black folks are supposed to interact with this new administration
Speaker 6: working together? We not? Are there common causes? Are there?
Speaker 5: Not?
Speaker 6: Are their minstrels and useful tools in the middle of this?
Speaker 6: And could progress in some way be gained without losing
Speaker 6: our self respect, our dignity, uh, and obviously our commitment
Speaker 6: to our democracy and to our people. So I want
Speaker 6: to get into that with y'all. Two, So let's get
Speaker 6: it started.
Speaker 4: So, you guys, I have been.
Speaker 1: Really kind of filling the conundrum of sadness. You guys know,
Speaker 1: I've been trying to be on my workout kick. I've
Speaker 1: been so frustrated over the last couple of days. I
Speaker 1: don't think I can remember a more miserable MLK day.
Speaker 1: And I think as much as I hoped that we
Speaker 1: would go out on a high note, I felt like
Speaker 1: the Biden administration ended with such a lull cloud hovering
Speaker 1: over it, and then we welcomed in Armageddon. So I
Speaker 1: just I feel really frustrated about what happened with the pardons.
Speaker 1: I want to go to like the low lower level
Speaker 1: of frustration and then the high level of what was
Speaker 1: to come, just in terms of chronology. But I just
Speaker 1: want to acknowledge first something positive, y'all know. I like
Speaker 1: to start with the good. The thing that I believe
Speaker 1: the Biden administration got right about the pardon power was
Speaker 1: pardoning a preemptive pardon, which is unprecedented for the January
Speaker 1: sixth Committee witnesses, and yeah, the staff and the members,
Speaker 1: and I think that that was necessary. You guys know
Speaker 1: my biases. Congressman Thompson, his family. To me, he was
Speaker 1: a remarkable chair of that special committee, and I was
Speaker 1: terrified of what would happen to him, in particular in
Speaker 1: the Trump administration. So he was Joe Biden was pressured
Speaker 1: to protect him, and it took a lot of pressure.
Speaker 4: To be clear, it wasn't an easy lift, but.
Speaker 1: It didn't take as much pressure for him to pardon
Speaker 1: his siblings, which I've never heard anyone mention were in
Speaker 1: harm's way, But he pardoned all of his siblings. Not himself,
Speaker 1: not his wife, not his daughter, but all of his siblings,
Speaker 1: many of whom I've never heard of as well. That day,
Speaker 1: what he did not do was pardon our good sister,
Speaker 1: our friend, Marilyn Moseby. Ninety seven plus thousand people in
Speaker 1: this country signed on to a Color of Change petition
Speaker 1: supporting a pardon for Marilyn Moseby for withdrawing her own
Speaker 1: money out of her own retirement account after being in
Speaker 1: the crosshairs of the Trump administration for many years, and
Speaker 1: despite Marilyn Moseby having the same same prosecutor on her case,
Speaker 1: Leo Wise, as Hunter Biden did in his case, they
Speaker 1: could not see a connection. I'm going to go into
Speaker 1: the details of that in just a moment, but I
Speaker 1: will say I will draw a contrast with that into
Speaker 1: what Donald Trump's administration does for the people who ride
Speaker 1: with him, for the people who rode with him up
Speaker 1: to January sixth, to stop the steal, to steal things
Speaker 1: off of Nancy Pelosi's desk, to wreak havoc to the
Speaker 1: point where Lisa Blunt Rochester, who is now a black
Speaker 1: senator from the first from Delaware to be driven to
Speaker 1: her hands and knees to pray for their safety against
Speaker 1: violence of a mob of terrorists of insurrectionists. On January sixth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, he said, I got you, you had
Speaker 1: my back. I'm going to pardon all of you and
Speaker 1: commute the sentences of thirty plus people for the actions
Speaker 1: they took on January sixth, twenty twenty one. Meanwhile, meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the Biden administration's bar and standard for what it requires
Speaker 1: for a black person in this country to have gotten
Speaker 1: a pardon is impossible.
Speaker 4: It is impossible.
Speaker 1: What happened in the White House over the last several
Speaker 1: weeks is an abomination.
Speaker 4: And I'm talking about the ways in which.
Speaker 1: Black staff, black appointed officials in the Biden administration had
Speaker 1: to go to bat for Marilyn Moseby versus the white
Speaker 1: staff in the administration. Y'all should be ashamed of y'all
Speaker 1: goddamn selves. Like truly, there's no reason that you can
Speaker 1: tell me that an individual who was selling kids virtually
Speaker 1: to a for profit entity should have gotten a sentencing commutation.
Speaker 1: But you can't see the fact that you're all of
Speaker 1: the legacy of this administration in justice reform was built
Speaker 1: on the backs of prosecutors like Marilyn Moseby and Kim
Speaker 1: Gardner and Kim Fox and Araon miss Ayala and yes,
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. And when in twenty twenty Kamala Harris was running,
Speaker 1: Marilyn Moseby had her back to ensure that the general
Speaker 1: public knew that she.
Speaker 4: Was not a top cop, that she was a progressive prosecutor.
Speaker 1: So to watch Maryland to left to be hung out
Speaker 1: to drive for this because the people who continued the
Speaker 1: case were Biden administration appointees and they didn't want to
Speaker 1: leave the judge with egg on her face, and they
Speaker 1: didn't want to leave Eric barn with egg on his face.
Speaker 1: So now the person who actually had our backs is
Speaker 1: left hanging out to dry. I got major beef with it,
Speaker 1: I really really do. And I think it is massively unfortunate,
Speaker 1: and you so negligent and reckless.
Speaker 7: You're black folks, who who is? Can you just tell
Speaker 7: us you said somebody was selling kids to for profit?
Speaker 7: That person got a pardon? Who is that you've got? Sorry?
Speaker 7: I just want just for me and the other listeners
Speaker 7: who don't know what you're referencing. Can you tell us
Speaker 7: who that.
Speaker 1: There's a cash for kids scandal that existed in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: If somebody has a moment, particularly on our production team,
Speaker 1: to look up the name of the judge. It is
Speaker 1: a very well known case in the Pennsylvania area.
Speaker 4: The judge was not pardoned. I don't believe I used
Speaker 4: those words.
Speaker 7: If I did, you're talking about, yes, the judge was
Speaker 7: taking paid right they were, Yes, I know who you're
Speaker 7: talking about. Okay, I've had something completely different in mind.
Speaker 6: Cash just yeah, Google cash for kids listeners.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a well known scandal in the Pennsylvania
Speaker 1: I did not if I said that he was pardoned.
Speaker 1: I apologize. I thought I said that his sentence was community.
Speaker 7: You probably, which is I'm a misunderstood.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to pause because they said they were mad
Speaker 1: they couldn't hear us last week, so I make sure
Speaker 1: I cut y'all off. So I want to make sure
Speaker 1: your thoughts are complete. I'm done with my rant. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna repeat myself because I'm pissed.
Speaker 7: Well, I just you know, really quickly, can you say,
Speaker 7: because you said Eric Barron and not everybody knows who
Speaker 7: that is. He is the person who replaced her in Baltimore.
Speaker 4: No, he's not so.
Speaker 1: Eric so the US attorney who was appointed after Robert Hirk,
Speaker 1: who was the special prosecutor on the Joe Biden classified
Speaker 1: documents case who said he was too old to a
Speaker 1: stand trial, and Steve Shinning were the bosses of Leo
Speaker 1: Wise under the Trump administration in the District Attorney's office
Speaker 1: in Maryland. When Joe Biden came in, he appointed a
Speaker 1: new US attorney by the name of Eric Barron. He
Speaker 1: is a former state legislator in Maryland. He's someone who
Speaker 1: Marilyn worked hand in hand with. Eric did not drop
Speaker 1: those charges. I suspect it is because there was going
Speaker 1: to be a revolt by all the white boys in
Speaker 1: that office who were under the Trump administration and stayed
Speaker 1: just like Leo did. Under Eric, he demoted Leo, but
Speaker 1: they raised telling that office and said if he removed
Speaker 1: Leo from that case, they were all going to leave.
Speaker 1: And so I believe that Eric kept the case going
Speaker 1: because of that. Eric and the judge both worked for
Speaker 1: Joe Biden in the Senate. She worked on the Ethics Committee.
Speaker 1: Eric worked on the Judiciary committee or worked with Joe
Speaker 1: Biden during the Barack Obama transition. Eric went to the
Speaker 1: transition team and worked to help get Lydia Griggsby her
Speaker 1: first judicial appointment, which was in the bankruptcy court space.
Speaker 1: She has no criminal criminal court experience whatsoever, no criminal
Speaker 1: law experience.
Speaker 4: That is the judge.
Speaker 1: Those are two Biden appointees who I suspect this is
Speaker 1: not what was reported to me, but I suspect that
Speaker 1: was the reason, an additional reason beyond this public corruption
Speaker 1: bucket that they forced her into that they didn't want
Speaker 1: to pardon Maryland.
Speaker 7: Well, I know that's a lot of weaving, but I
Speaker 7: think is important so people know how this works. You
Speaker 7: know that everybody had a role to play and to
Speaker 7: pay attention to who these judges are that are being
Speaker 7: nominated and who you know US attorney and State's attorney.
Speaker 7: These are people, these are elected positions, So that's what
Speaker 7: that matters. I just wanted to remind our audience about
Speaker 7: j six because you brought that up. And Donald Trump,
Speaker 7: as you all know at this point this week, pardoned
Speaker 7: every single person who was involved in January sixth. He
Speaker 7: said he wasn't going to pardon people who were violent
Speaker 7: and that's not true, and I want to remind you.
Speaker 7: Pam Bondi, who is his nominee for attorney General, faced
Speaker 7: confirmation hearing this month. Last week and she was asked
Speaker 7: about pardoning January sixth people, particularly those who were violent
Speaker 7: against law enforcement. I want you to take a listen
Speaker 7: to her answer.
Speaker 1: I just want a flag for you. He did not
Speaker 1: pardon every single person. He also commuted some of the sentences.
Speaker 1: I think it's fourteen people, so I just want to
Speaker 1: make sure that was a good point.
Speaker 7: But either way, they either were free at this point.
Speaker 4: So the House arrest bracelets exactly exactly.
Speaker 7: So take a listen to what Trump's nominee for attorney
Speaker 7: general has to say when she's asked about people who
Speaker 7: are violent with law enforcement. Let me be very clear
Speaker 7: in speaking to you, I condemn any violence on a
Speaker 7: law enforcement officer in this country. So she condemns any
Speaker 7: violence on a law enforcement officer in this country. I
Speaker 7: want you all to take a listen to this harrowing
Speaker 7: testimony from officer Michael Fanone. You've seen him a lot
Speaker 7: for the past four years, five years, now listen to
Speaker 7: what he experienced on that fateful day on January sixth,
Speaker 7: twenty twenty one.
Speaker 8: I was struck with a taser device at the base
Speaker 8: of my skull numerous times, and they continued to do
Speaker 8: so until I yelled out that I have kids. I
Speaker 8: remember one of them distinctly lunging at me time and
Speaker 8: time again, trying to grab my gun. And I heard
Speaker 8: people in the crowd yelling get his gun, killing with
Speaker 8: his own gun.
Speaker 7: So you hear the hypocrisy here. And I have to
Speaker 7: tell you, Angela, you know, being part of the ninety
Speaker 7: two percent, and the things that black women do for
Speaker 7: this country and the little reward, the little thanks that
Speaker 7: we get. And I don't even want to make this
Speaker 7: a party thing. I mean to me, it's just from
Speaker 7: the country. Because Marylynd is a mother of two. This
Speaker 7: should be something that everybody cares about. This isn't a
Speaker 7: you know, a Republican can go through this, a white
Speaker 7: woman can go through this, but somehow, oh, when it's
Speaker 7: a black woman, it is this shoulder shrug, move on,
Speaker 7: We don't care. And I take your point about White
Speaker 7: House staff, whatever you're willing to share about that, but
Speaker 7: I think that's so disappointing because it speaks to what
Speaker 7: happened on the campaign, like, we have to fight within
Speaker 7: the fight to advocate for ourselves, and the finding out
Speaker 7: part is going to suck for all of us, especially
Speaker 7: those of us who didn't fuck around, And to know
Speaker 7: that there are so many people with in the administration
Speaker 7: who did is disappointing. And before you all start with
Speaker 7: the comments on y'all democratic shields and you didn't know
Speaker 7: and blah blah blah, ain't nobody here a spokesperson for
Speaker 7: the party. We are all here advocating for the health
Speaker 7: and benefit of black people. And though Maryland's case is
Speaker 7: something that Angelo worked really hard on to bring to
Speaker 7: the light, I do want to acknowledge that there are
Speaker 7: still over one hundred thousand black men and women who
Speaker 7: have had their liberty taken away, who are living in
Speaker 7: unconstonable circumstances in these prisons, from finding roaches in your food,
Speaker 7: to not having access to healthcare, to women miscarrying in prison,
Speaker 7: to violence from corrections officers, violence from fellow prisoners. Our
Speaker 7: criminal justice system is god awful and it's only going
Speaker 7: to get worse under this administration.
Speaker 6: I'll just say one Angela, I hear your passion, and
Speaker 6: obviously your outrage and all of it is merited, and
Speaker 6: I want to thank you, just again, out loud and
Speaker 6: in public for everything that you did to shine a
Speaker 6: light on this case and for me, while I love
Speaker 6: Marilynd Moseby to the hills and back, she is representative
Speaker 6: of a public official mustering up, summoning the courage required
Speaker 6: necessary to take on institutional racism in the system. And
Speaker 6: when she announced prosecution of those law enforcement officers, it
Speaker 6: was a shot over the bow their direction that anywhere
Speaker 6: they exist in this country, that they will be held
Speaker 6: accountable if they run a foul of the law, even
Speaker 6: if you have a badge. And to me, that's the
Speaker 6: underlining through line that runs through through We can hear
Speaker 6: all the stories that are out there, but I think
Speaker 6: the through land that runs against why she could not
Speaker 6: be pardoned is because we've got these Democrats, Republicans and
Speaker 6: everything on the other side and in between, who will never, ever,
Speaker 6: ever truly commit to holding law enforcement accountable to the
Speaker 6: same rules and standards as we as everyday regular people
Speaker 6: are held in America. They drew a line when they
Speaker 6: went after Maryland, in the state of Maryland and her
Speaker 6: own seat, and they were not going to make it
Speaker 6: possible for an example to be set that a woman
Speaker 6: who went after law enforcement who prosecuted them for bad
Speaker 6: and illegal behavior would be able to come out on
Speaker 6: the other side and say victory was had. They were
Speaker 6: never going to make that possible and unfortunate. It's unfortunate,
Speaker 6: But more importantly, I think it will send a chilling
Speaker 6: signal to anyone else who wants to be the next
Speaker 6: Maryland to not even try it.
Speaker 4: That's right, all right.
Speaker 7: I know we got a lot going on in this podcast.
Speaker 7: On the other side of this break, we're going to
Speaker 7: talk about black engagements, and we're gonna get into some
Speaker 7: of these celebrities who performed at the inauguration. So don't
Speaker 7: go anywhere. We'll be right back.
Speaker 4: It's not political for me.
Speaker 9: For me, the political part is over.
Speaker 6: He won.
Speaker 9: And you know, growing up, I was taught to respect
Speaker 9: the office. So you know, Nelly's here and.
Speaker 1: You did get a little backlash, but you were like, whatever.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't care, I'm doing what I want
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 1: This is this is I'm not gonna beut words in
Speaker 1: your mouth.
Speaker 4: But you you were really cool about it. You handled
Speaker 4: it well. You came forward and you talked about it.
Speaker 4: A lot of people wouldn't do that. Why why did
Speaker 4: you come forward and talk about it?
Speaker 9: Well, because I think it's important that, you know, we
Speaker 9: show some people have their own opinions about things, you know,
Speaker 9: and sometimes things can get a little bit hazy and
Speaker 9: in a way that everybody feels the same way about everything,
Speaker 9: and that's just not it. I think certain people have
Speaker 9: an outlook and I've always believed that you got to
Speaker 9: walk through the fire sometimes to get results. And regardless
Speaker 9: of what you feel about it, we as a people,
Speaker 9: and I mean, you know, my heritage as far as
Speaker 9: being African American, we've always had to work with people
Speaker 9: that we may not have always agreed with to get
Speaker 9: things done. And I think that struggle continues. But at
Speaker 9: the end of the day, if the men and women
Speaker 9: of this country can put their life on the line
Speaker 9: for a president that they may not have voted for, I.
Speaker 6: Can definitely perform.
Speaker 8: Ya.
Speaker 6: So that was artist Nelly giving response in an interview
Speaker 6: he did a couple of those following his performance during
Speaker 6: the inaugural activities for Donald Trump. A lot has been
Speaker 6: said about him and Snoop and others who have who
Speaker 6: have participated, who showed up, who in some cases said
Speaker 6: kind things about Donald Trump. Angela, I know you had
Speaker 6: a clip of of of snoop that you wanted to
Speaker 6: throw into Can we can we talk of that real quick?
Speaker 5: I remember when we were kids. I don't know where
Speaker 5: you're from. It's probably different when we were kids. No
Speaker 5: white kids wanted to be black. None of them now
Speaker 5: braids tattoos.
Speaker 6: So you want to call each other that word?
Speaker 4: Hello?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So what do you think that's doing to their
Speaker 5: people up top? So brainwise, you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So we got to restore order because in a minute,
Speaker 5: they gonna be politicians and if they acting like niggas,
Speaker 5: then they're gonna be looking out for niggas.
Speaker 10: I understand.
Speaker 5: So we need to funck this shit back up so
Speaker 5: that way they can get back in their mind that
Speaker 5: they against us. When that's it's too late now because
Speaker 5: you have so many inner relation interracial relationships, and people
Speaker 5: who have became family members. My grandson is white.
Speaker 6: I'm inter racial. I'm black and white.
Speaker 5: My grandson is white, so I have no racism in me.
Speaker 5: I love white people, but I don't like Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: So that was Donald Trump I'm sorry. I was Snoop
Speaker 6: making some comments about Donald Trump, and that.
Speaker 1: Was from Yeah not that was not recent. I just
Speaker 1: was saying, that's not that's not a recenter. That's the
Speaker 1: same interview where he said, you know, if you're you know,
Speaker 1: if people are pushing back on me for not liking
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, your listeners are racist, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So it's but those clips have been overplayed. I think
Speaker 1: that it is important in this discussion to be able
Speaker 1: to hold space for nuance. I'm gonna say some stuff
Speaker 1: that I don't agree with because I'm conflicted, and I'm
Speaker 1: definitely gonna say some stuff that y'all don't agree with.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, that's real. Well let me just example because
Speaker 6: Ilhan Omar tweeted out. Congresswoman Omar tweeted out about all
Speaker 6: the outrage that was being projected at entertainers who were
Speaker 6: at the inauguration, appearing in either in support or certainly
Speaker 6: in contract labor to the inauguration of Donald Trump, and
Speaker 6: she said, we're making all this noise about the artists,
Speaker 6: but what about the elected members of Congress, elected officials
Speaker 6: who went out and told America to be worried about
Speaker 6: this fascist who made the choice to be in attendance
Speaker 6: at the inauguration, So y'all, I know y'all saw the
Speaker 6: heat coming down. I know you've probably had your own
Speaker 6: observations of what happened if you individually watched. I'm curious
Speaker 6: to know, one, what do you think about the clips
Speaker 6: that you heard. Nellie's obviously is in direct response to
Speaker 6: this moment, snoops is he actually has not, as so
Speaker 6: far as I could tell, made a public comment about
Speaker 6: his participation in the inauguration, so we pulled from previous comments.
Speaker 6: But how are you feeling about it? What did you think?
Speaker 6: I will just first positive that I was probably most demoralized,
Speaker 6: not by any of those comments necessarily, but by the
Speaker 6: pastor who we played at the beginning. My spirit was
Speaker 6: totally shook because I saw an arresting of the spirit
Speaker 6: in the moral of doctor King being leveraged toward the
Speaker 6: most antithetical figure today in American politics to what King's
Speaker 6: vision was, and that felt like a low moment. I'm
Speaker 6: curious to know if there was one like that for y'all,
Speaker 6: or and or how y'all responded to this one.
Speaker 7: I'll stay on topic for this one. With these clips
Speaker 7: we just heard from Nelly and Snoop Dogg, and I
Speaker 7: think the most disheartening thing for me about hearing that
Speaker 7: is the ignorance that is on display from both of them.
Speaker 7: I don't think performing for Donald Trump at inauguration is
Speaker 7: analogous to the people who serve in armed services by
Speaker 7: any means. I'm so disappointed to hear how Snoop Dogg
Speaker 7: describes his childhood. That may have been his experience, but
Speaker 7: certainly white kids wanted to be black when we were
Speaker 7: younger in the eighties, they were in the rap music,
Speaker 7: break dancing, they were wearing black hairs out There's never
Speaker 7: been a time wear right like literally since we've come here,
Speaker 7: all the swagger and and everything we bring, all the
Speaker 7: culture we bring to this country has always been widely
Speaker 7: celebrated by people, not just across the country, but across
Speaker 7: the globe. And I wish he had that level of
Speaker 7: pride and and and level of information and knowledge uh
Speaker 7: and was intellectually curious about it, which which he painfully isn't.
Speaker 7: I did note that Nelly made his rounds, he didn't
Speaker 7: sit across from anybody black. I would have loved for
Speaker 7: Nelly to sit across from Joy Read on MSNBC and
Speaker 7: have a conversation with her, Like, you know, sitting across
Speaker 7: from a black woman is going to be a drastic
Speaker 7: We're not going to go for the bullshit. So everything
Speaker 7: you say you have to now stand on business and
Speaker 7: defend it. So it's just disappointing to be honest with you.
Speaker 7: You know, we talked and even with with Congressman Ilhan Omar.
Speaker 7: It's no disrespect to her, but I think it's quite
Speaker 7: the assumption that black folks do not hold that outrage
Speaker 7: for those elected officials, for those folks in business. I
Speaker 7: wonder what black people she's referencing, what black people she's
Speaker 7: talking to on this very show. We have had all
Speaker 7: the smoke for people who show up. We have in
Speaker 7: the comments, people have smoke for people who show up.
Speaker 7: People we talked to in our group chat have felt
Speaker 7: away about not only the elected officials who are engaging
Speaker 7: this administration as though it's normal, but also for entertainers.
Speaker 7: I don't really expect a lot from entertainers, but I
Speaker 7: do expect some level of acknowledgment of all the policies
Speaker 7: that will directly harm these people. Can I just say
Speaker 7: this about Snoop really quickly. He's also he disappointed me.
Speaker 7: During the LA Mayor's race, he supported Rick Crusoe, who
Speaker 7: was running against h then Congresswoman Karen Bass, who for
Speaker 7: the mayor of La. Rick Crusoe is a billionaire developer.
Speaker 7: He's known for he built the grow for our West
Speaker 7: Coast friends. He's was a candidate but also a former
Speaker 7: Republican who switched parties not before he ran. He was
Speaker 7: the former UH president of the LA Board of Police Commissioners.
Speaker 7: He was a cop lover who promised to massively fund
Speaker 7: the LA PD. Now we all remember Snoop's music and
Speaker 7: things that he said. He had a lot of fear
Speaker 7: mongering over this dubious crime wave that was happening in LA.
Speaker 7: And when it came down to what he actually did
Speaker 7: for community, it was, you know, billionaire stuff, tax deductible
Speaker 7: contributions to protect him. And I remember Snoop. I can't
Speaker 7: remember the interview, so forgive me if this is not accurate,
Speaker 7: but there was something that Snoop asked him for that
Speaker 7: he did something for his football team or a field.
Speaker 7: And I remember hearing this, like my gid, they bought
Speaker 7: you cheap. If that's all it took for you to
Speaker 7: endorse this man because you picked up the phone and
Speaker 7: asked him for something and he called you back. They
Speaker 7: bought you cheap. And I think when we organize, particularly
Speaker 7: as black women and black men, all the black men
Speaker 7: who are, you know, right beside us in this fight,
Speaker 7: when we organize, we do so with the greater community
Speaker 7: in mind. So I don't know, I don't like it.
Speaker 7: I just I want these rappers to just if you
Speaker 7: don't know, shutting up is free fifty cent Kodak Black,
Speaker 7: Nellie Lowel, Wayne Sexy Red. I think she later changed
Speaker 7: the baby and Snoop. This is just a handful of
Speaker 7: people who I have zero interest in. I would defy
Speaker 7: them to have some sort of intellectual conversation with anybody.
Speaker 7: But they're out there talking politics and being uplifted like
Speaker 7: mascots for white folks, and I find it gross.
Speaker 1: I first wanted to just acknowledge that il Han's statement
Speaker 1: was not directed at black people. She was saying people
Speaker 1: generally in her tweet. I think, oh, she's not gonna mind,
Speaker 1: She's not gonna mind. I think that it's important that
Speaker 1: we consider that there are multiple people on every side
Speaker 1: of this that haven't had the same smoke, So we
Speaker 1: say for all of the parties involved. I will say also,
Speaker 1: this idea of buying you cheap is a bi partisan problem, right.
Speaker 1: Some of what I think I'm really wrestling right now
Speaker 1: is we have for a long time if you reference
Speaker 1: it all the time too, in conversations that you've had
Speaker 1: with LB our friend Latasha Brown, who runs and is
Speaker 1: a co founder Black Voters Matter, that we are often
Speaker 1: voting as a part of a harm reduction strategy. But
Speaker 1: what happens when the harm is not really really deuce?
Speaker 1: What happens when the hemorrhage turns into a slow bleed,
Speaker 1: but you're bleeding no less, we're all boy for cheap.
Speaker 1: There were people calling Bill Clinton the first black president
Speaker 1: because this motherfucker's playing a saxophone.
Speaker 4: So how cheap is that? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4: Like he didn't even buy nothing, like he just oh
Speaker 4: he doubt for us?
Speaker 1: Why look at the welfare laws, look at the crime bills,
Speaker 1: right Like, let's be kind of foral about that. So
Speaker 1: I think what I'm really wrestling with here is when
Speaker 1: you have people in elected office who or who are
Speaker 1: running for office, who are paying attention to your needs
Speaker 1: on a micro level. I'm not talking about a macro level,
Speaker 1: and you finally get the attention that you know that
Speaker 1: you deserve on a micro level, and you prioritize your
Speaker 1: politics best based on that micro level interest. I am
Speaker 1: frustrated about it, but I get it, and I can
Speaker 1: use as an example. I'm so glad we talked about
Speaker 1: the pardon power first because I can use an example
Speaker 1: my rhetoric right now about the Biden administration based on
Speaker 1: the fact that they did not pardon Maryland Moseby and
Speaker 1: what that means to me figuratively, despite having done the
Speaker 1: right thing for Marcus Garvey, who I would argue, I
Speaker 1: understand that's what his family wanted, but I would argue
Speaker 1: Marcus Garvey would be way more for the liberation of
Speaker 1: black people who are still alive than clearing his record,
Speaker 1: because he's a hero to us, no matter what Black
Speaker 1: History Month or not, whether it's that or it's the
Speaker 1: fact that there are people the CBC members who begged
Speaker 1: the Biden administration for executive order after executive order, or
Speaker 1: its Arian Simone who is fighting with every penny she
Speaker 1: had to protect the Fearless Fund, trying to fund us
Speaker 1: and couldn't get an executive action out of the administration
Speaker 1: for that. So your lip service is great, but your
Speaker 1: public service ain't.
Speaker 4: And then the people.
Speaker 1: Who don't do either. I don't know that it's not
Speaker 1: that much worse. And so when we talk about Snoop,
Speaker 1: and this is my personal bias, my blind spot, my
Speaker 1: point of hypocrisy, I love Snoop personally, I am frustrated
Speaker 1: by the decision he made to perform at an unofficial
Speaker 1: event during the inauguration, which is the Crypto Ball. The
Speaker 1: man who ran that ball is a former executive from PayPal.
Speaker 1: I don't know their business dealings. I suspect there is something.
Speaker 1: And then Nelly performed in an official event. Rick Ross
Speaker 1: also went to the Crypto Ball. I got personal beef
Speaker 1: with Rick Ross Andrew, as you know, because he wouldn't
Speaker 1: come through to your election eve concert unless he was
Speaker 1: paid and fly down a fly flut flute out.
Speaker 4: He was trying to get flued out.
Speaker 1: So for me, I've seen where right the capitalism comes
Speaker 1: into play. I understand their goals, and I also understand
Speaker 1: that many of their goals are to aid and support
Speaker 1: their community. I know firsthand the stuff that Snoop does
Speaker 1: for the community. I also know that some of the
Speaker 1: bias exists. The same way that I said, I would
Speaker 1: be going Capen probably a little bit harder for this
Speaker 1: administration that they've done the right thing for Maryland. At
Speaker 1: the end, he softened his tone and his rhetoric about
Speaker 1: Donald Trump because Harry Oh means everything to him. Harry
Speaker 1: oways pardon at the end of Donald Trump's tenure. I
Speaker 1: understand the shift. I don't like it because my big
Speaker 1: letter politics always will supersede my little p politics. But
Speaker 1: that is something that I've learned from having worked in
Speaker 1: this space. That is a point of privilege that I have.
Speaker 1: I would rather engage in conversation with my brother and
Speaker 1: figure out all of his why than to tear him
Speaker 1: down anymore in the public because I know the things
Speaker 1: that he's done for our folks far outweigh this moment.
Speaker 4: I do not like it.
Speaker 1: I would have preferred that he steered clear, you know,
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, these are the
Speaker 1: decisions they made. I respected what Nelly said. I still
Speaker 1: wish that he didn't go. I understand, you respect the office.
Speaker 1: I try to respect the office. Right now, I'm having
Speaker 1: a hard time because I don't respect the office holder.
Speaker 1: I think that he's trying to undo democracy. It is
Speaker 1: hard for me to look at everything that happened in
Speaker 1: the last Trump administration and give this dude a pass.
Speaker 1: And that said, Andrew said he wanted to call this
Speaker 1: black engagement with this administration.
Speaker 4: What does that look like?
Speaker 1: We really do need to have that conversation because what
Speaker 1: we can't do for four years is just bash everything.
Speaker 1: We have to have somebody or somebody's to go in
Speaker 1: there and have a conversation. It could be a harm
Speaker 1: reduction conversation, it could be a progress conversation. If Marilyn
Speaker 1: told me that she's open to a pardon by this administration,
Speaker 1: there's somebody I got to send in there to have
Speaker 1: that conversation. But at the end of the day, justice
Speaker 1: isn't beholden to a party. Liberation isn't beholden to a party.
Speaker 1: It is It is only incumbent upon us to ensure
Speaker 1: that we are always advocating for the best interests of
Speaker 1: black people. Now, when your personal interest get in the
Speaker 1: way of that, we got a problem, and we at
Speaker 1: least need to have a conversation.
Speaker 7: But this seems interesting because our in All Youration episode,
Speaker 7: I was reading the comments and everybody kept saying, yes,
Speaker 7: Angela agree with you. Angela gradually make a point and
Speaker 7: I was like, what, I don't even remember because we
Speaker 7: had so many conversations. I'm like, what is you saying.
Speaker 7: I watched and you did have all the smoke for
Speaker 7: people who sat down with Trump. You had all the
Speaker 7: smoke for President Biden for even sitting next to him.
Speaker 7: And it does sound a little bit like you're giving
Speaker 7: Snoop a pass or you're giving Nelly a pass when
Speaker 7: I don't know what they've done to earn that pass.
Speaker 7: Like to me, I just I just.
Speaker 4: Tried to explain it, like I think, to me, I
Speaker 4: heard that.
Speaker 7: But you're but what you're doing is extending them understanding
Speaker 7: that you you are not quick to extend other people
Speaker 7: if they're Their intention is oh, I needed this one thing,
Speaker 7: and I was willing to go out there and tap
Speaker 7: dance and shuck and jy for the white man because
Speaker 7: he gave me this one thing. That's how I look
Speaker 7: at it. Then, that is that's kind of a challenge.
Speaker 7: That's to say, well, I get it because you wanted
Speaker 7: this one thing, But to like literally like like scream
Speaker 7: about Joe Biden even sitting next to him. I just
Speaker 7: I don't to me that is those those two points
Speaker 7: run contrary to each other, I.
Speaker 1: Think I I think I tried to say at the beginning,
Speaker 1: I am resting in contradiction, contradiction, hypocrisy myself. I tried
Speaker 1: to articulate that at the beginning, trying to do that. Now,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is if I were in the same
Speaker 1: boat wanting a pardon, which I did for Marilyn Moseby,
Speaker 1: my rhetoric sounds remarkably different right now. My sentiment towards
Speaker 1: the Biden administration is remarkably different right now than had
Speaker 1: that pardon been received. I can still acknowledge that, I
Speaker 1: think God, that Katanji Brown was at the inauguration, rock
Speaker 1: and Cowrie Shells, I can still acknowledge those things. And
Speaker 1: I think that part of what happens with us and
Speaker 1: that cheapens discourse is we lack any ability to have
Speaker 1: a nuanced conversation. I have a different set of standards
Speaker 1: for people who are in elected office and who told
Speaker 1: us something very specific about this man and how dangerous
Speaker 1: he is, things that you and I all know and
Speaker 1: Andrew all know firsthand we witness the attack on our
Speaker 1: brother under that administration. So I'm clear about the dangers
Speaker 1: of it. I'm not clear if they know. That's why
Speaker 1: I said, I and this may have gotten FoST in
Speaker 1: all the other is that I said, But I said,
Speaker 1: I want to have a conversation to be like, why,
Speaker 1: what beyond here go? What beyond respecting the office? What
Speaker 1: are you seeing is the opportunity for you being there?
Speaker 1: What policy priorities are you planning to carry in to
Speaker 1: this administration to help liberate black people? And if you're not,
Speaker 1: please tell me why you thought going to do this
Speaker 1: was going to help.
Speaker 7: I think if we had played that Snoop sound bite
Speaker 7: in the same fashion that we played the you know,
Speaker 7: the alleged Trump supporters on the Chicago street, or if
Speaker 7: he was just a random person on the street and
Speaker 7: you heard him say I love white people. I'm not
Speaker 7: raising my grandson is white. By the way, if he's
Speaker 7: your biological grandson, Snoop, he's black Racio.
Speaker 1: He was talking about mixed families. He said, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: it's fine if.
Speaker 7: That's the biological grandson. Your grandson is black.
Speaker 4: If it's not as.
Speaker 1: Violent are you and that I'm saying. I think he
Speaker 1: was trying to make a point that there's now a
Speaker 1: white person in his fan so he loves white people,
Speaker 1: not Donald Trump. Either way, it's not ignorant to me.
Speaker 1: And also I disagree around the point of I do
Speaker 1: think that white kids want to be more black now,
Speaker 1: at least on the West Coast, than they did when
Speaker 1: we were growing up.
Speaker 4: Snoop is older than me.
Speaker 1: But I think that's absolutely the case. I can show
Speaker 1: you proof of that, so that has that has shifted.
Speaker 7: But but you're saying that more white kids today one
Speaker 7: of the black than they did in the safties, when
Speaker 7: the when the radio in the seventies. But there's I mean,
Speaker 7: there's reading, there's documentaries, there's so much.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about them culturally appropriating our stuff. I
Speaker 1: think that there's a distinction, and I do think that
Speaker 1: on the West Coast it is probably a little bit different.
Speaker 1: It's different on the East Coast for sure. From my
Speaker 1: experience in being in DC or on the mid Atlantic region,
Speaker 1: it's different.
Speaker 7: I think they've always wanted to be black. But we
Speaker 7: can disagree there. But I was leaking, is Snoop. I
Speaker 7: think if he weren't Snoop and we just heard that
Speaker 7: sound bite. I wonder if we would have that same understanding,
Speaker 7: if we are willing to extend that same grace to
Speaker 7: somebody who isn't a personal friend or somebody who's not
Speaker 7: in the public eye.
Speaker 1: I told you no, I told you I know firsthand
Speaker 1: the stuff that he's done, and that clip was to
Speaker 1: show that he liked he does not. He said he
Speaker 1: did not like Donald Trump at that point. He's now
Speaker 1: since then said he has love for Donald Trump because
Speaker 1: of what he did for his friend.
Speaker 7: Here he go, and you the same way with Caruso,
Speaker 7: who was running out.
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't have anything that. I don't
Speaker 1: know that, dude, I don't know that. But you know
Speaker 1: Congressoman Karen Bass and but what.
Speaker 4: But so, here's the.
Speaker 1: Other part that we're gonna have to wrestle with at
Speaker 1: some point, probably a larger podcast. Most elected officials don't
Speaker 1: reach out to entertainers and communities the way Andrew Gilliam did.
Speaker 4: That is the truth. That is something that has to
Speaker 4: be wrestle.
Speaker 1: With as a result of that, when people pounce on
Speaker 1: your weakness and they go to people and go to
Speaker 1: fortify and build relationships with folks. People like to be
Speaker 1: in close association and proximate to positions of power, no
Speaker 1: matter what, they're.
Speaker 7: Willing to be used.
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't think that it's always
Speaker 1: about being used. I think it's a transaction. There's a
Speaker 1: reason why CBC founder said no permanent friends, no permanent enemies,
Speaker 1: just permanent interests. Okay, so I'm just saying that's something
Speaker 1: that we're being mastered. But he was at an unofficial event.
Speaker 6: I'm narrating that. I'm raising my hand for y'all who
Speaker 6: are listening and can't see.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna call my friend Snoop and we'll be back.
Speaker 6: I actually really wanted to approach this conversation from a
Speaker 6: place of listening, because I think you all predict very
Speaker 6: often that I'm always gonna come down on the side
Speaker 6: of whatever is the norm and the status quo, which
Speaker 6: of course I take issue with. But what I do
Speaker 6: think is what I said here on this platform before,
Speaker 6: and that is that people are extreme aly self interested
Speaker 6: and there's no color. You know, there's there's there's no
Speaker 6: there's no blindness to color, no regard rather for for
Speaker 6: for color in regards to our interests uh and having
Speaker 6: our needs met. And so, for instance, in Florida, when
Speaker 6: I went to a certain well known you know, rapper,
Speaker 6: one of the OG's names, I.
Speaker 4: Won't Luke Campbell. I was about Luke. They weren't gonna
Speaker 4: do it, So I did. That's tag team.
Speaker 6: But to to meet, you know, with certain people, particularly
Speaker 6: artists entertainers on the early end, for me, I had
Speaker 6: I had to buy bungalows and lunch and all kinds
Speaker 6: of other things that I admittedly said on the phone.
Speaker 6: My campaign can't afford, and neither can I. And so
Speaker 6: if there's not another option, we're not gonna be able
Speaker 6: to meet. And then you dig a little bit deeper
Speaker 6: into the relationship of why you would choose this person
Speaker 6: to get behind over me, who I think best represents
Speaker 6: what your lived experiences has been. Why do you make
Speaker 6: that choice? And it is when I needed such and
Speaker 6: such and suchance that you gave my football. My distances
Speaker 6: is that or this, and you're in And I almost
Speaker 6: I don't necessarily accept it as the as an appropriate answer,
Speaker 6: and I don't even know nobody's asking for my acceptance
Speaker 6: of it as an answer, but I do know this.
Speaker 6: I get that when you have a direct example that
Speaker 6: you can make for what somebody has done for you,
Speaker 6: a lot of the other stuff falls by the wayside.
Speaker 6: And let me say this. We have movement leaders right
Speaker 6: now leading major civil rights organizations in this country who
Speaker 6: have gone lighter and there and their accountability for certain networks, the.
Speaker 4: Whole dam thing.
Speaker 7: Money, talk about the whole things, about the whole thing, Angela,
Speaker 7: the names of names, because.
Speaker 4: I'm saying I'm sad.
Speaker 1: It ain't just Snap, it ain't just Nearly And he's
Speaker 1: just the civil rights leaders. It ain't just the mayors,
Speaker 1: it ain't just the state reps.
Speaker 4: It ain't right, it's just my people.
Speaker 7: But I got the dame for civil rights. I'm saying,
Speaker 7: smoke for people who are my friends. I got the
Speaker 7: same smoke for people who are my enemies. If you
Speaker 7: are willing to parade yourself out there like a mascot,
Speaker 7: looking like a fool, in my opinion, at the risk
Speaker 7: and damage that this administration is about to do to
Speaker 7: black people because somebody lets you perform, or somebody puts
Speaker 7: your money in your pocket, and he's about to send
Speaker 7: people to the slaughter who are in prisons right now
Speaker 7: because he part in your one friend and you were
Speaker 7: okay with that. He is ripping families apart at the border,
Speaker 7: ripping babies apart from their parents, and you okay with
Speaker 7: that because he gave you your friend aparty.
Speaker 4: I don't here, I have never or i've never nat.
Speaker 7: I have never said Angela, it's about it, but showing up.
Speaker 1: I understand your administration, I understand your perspective.
Speaker 7: It is a disgrace of the ancestors. And thank god
Speaker 7: there were people who have more principal, who were who
Speaker 7: were not so cheaply bought to to not stand on
Speaker 7: the same stage as other people who were just as harmful.
Speaker 7: Perhaps and perhaps perhaps you were on some bullshit and
Speaker 7: you look like.
Speaker 6: It. Also could also could be that there are some
Speaker 6: people who haven't had their needs yet directly met and
Speaker 6: so they can still act free. And the only I
Speaker 6: just want to reclaim time to simply say the point
Speaker 6: I was trying to make about the self interest here,
Speaker 6: and I made the same point when fifty and all
Speaker 6: these others had all this stuff that say said, y'all,
Speaker 6: fifty cent is in a different tax bracket than you,
Speaker 6: me and the rest of us. Is what he is
Speaker 6: what he might be getting by virtue of this person
Speaker 6: being elected. We may never see and I ever understand.
Speaker 7: I just think that was.
Speaker 6: Exact sample all. I think from the beginning of time
Speaker 6: are you from the beginning of time a lot?
Speaker 4: But I hear you.
Speaker 7: I hear your point.
Speaker 6: Okay, from the beginning of time?
Speaker 2: What is.
Speaker 4: The point is nuanced?
Speaker 6: And I don't think I don't think it's nuanced. I
Speaker 6: actually think it's I think it is very very human,
Speaker 6: self individualized, personal self interest that drives every single person
Speaker 6: on human on earth. And what allows us to sort
Speaker 6: of go back big picture is when we remind ourselves
Speaker 6: that we are not in that class of people, that
Speaker 6: we're not that individual, we're not that person, we're not
Speaker 6: with the right party to get the privilege. And so
Speaker 6: we then fall back on the fact that we if
Speaker 6: we're not writing together, we're not writing at all. But
Speaker 6: I promise you, when when folks find themselves in positions
Speaker 6: of power, when they find themselves either in it themselves
Speaker 6: in proximity to it, they look first to their own
Speaker 6: interests and to their own self preservation, and then lots
Speaker 6: of clever people get out there and decorate themselves as
Speaker 6: if they are riding for us. But in truth, we've
Speaker 6: seen them go hard against the opposition, and we know
Speaker 6: what going hard looks like. So when we see you
Speaker 6: going light here, I can only draw one conclusion about
Speaker 6: why that is. And that isn't all you took money
Speaker 6: in the back of your pocket, but you got something.
Speaker 6: There was something here at works that you're not disclosing
Speaker 6: to the rest of us as to why it is
Speaker 6: you're giving these folks that pass. I applaud you, Angela
Speaker 6: for at least announcing your contradiction. But for most of
Speaker 6: these folks, many of them who consider themselves leaders in
Speaker 6: our community, who we look to to be on the
Speaker 6: front lines on our behalf, go and they cheapen their
Speaker 6: position through what their gift, their exchange is going to be.
Speaker 6: And all I'm saying is I think everyone is possible
Speaker 6: for that level of subjugation. And two, it is incumbent
Speaker 6: upon every last, single one of us to help save
Speaker 6: ourselves because they're not saving us. I can't put my
Speaker 6: faith in that anymore.
Speaker 4: This is this is, this is the thing.
Speaker 1: So there's a scripture that says, for what shall it
Speaker 1: profit a man if he shall gain the whole world
Speaker 1: and lose his own soul. And I think that that
Speaker 1: own oxygen mask mentality has been removed from the aircraft
Speaker 1: and taken into community, and that's dangerous. Black people can't
Speaker 1: afford to put only our own oxygen mask on first,
Speaker 1: because the whole community needs oxygen that I'm not forgiving.
Speaker 1: It is one thing for you to say I appreciate
Speaker 1: this person for doing this one thing for me, and
Speaker 1: for that I feel some type of a debt. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call out when you are doing immigration raids
Speaker 1: in my community, and I'm gonna call out when you
Speaker 1: tried to say COVID was a hoax and most of
Speaker 1: my people died. And I'm gonna call out like whatever
Speaker 1: what you did with abortion rights and access, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call like.
Speaker 4: All of it. I think all of that needs to
Speaker 4: be called out.
Speaker 1: It is fine for you to say I've benefited in
Speaker 1: that way this way, but it is not okay for
Speaker 1: you to turn a blind eye to everything else that happened.
Speaker 1: It is fine for you to say this happened, and
Speaker 1: then therefore I'm gonna do this, But I hope that
Speaker 1: you will not lessen your critique, that you will not
Speaker 1: lessen the ability to hold account like hold accountability in.
Speaker 4: The same container as your praise. We do it all
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 1: I just said at the beginning of the show, here's
Speaker 1: what the Biden administration got right. And now let me
Speaker 1: tell you all the things where I feel like they
Speaker 1: got wrong because it set us back. That's when I
Speaker 1: when I say nuance, that's what I mean. I am
Speaker 1: clear about what happens when we do self preservation first.
Speaker 1: That has always served us poorly. That is how we
Speaker 1: got across the Transatlantic okay, across the Atlantic Ocean and
Speaker 1: the Transatlantic slave trade.
Speaker 4: That is not beneficial to us. I'm not okay.
Speaker 1: All I'm telling y'all is I want to know why,
Speaker 1: and I want to know why firsthand, and I want
Speaker 1: to know how they're gonna make it right, because I
Speaker 1: do think they have an obligation to make it work right.
Speaker 1: What I would love to do, when we have some
Speaker 1: more time, is figure out all the ways that we
Speaker 1: can also hold the organizations who hold themselves.
Speaker 4: In position sure yes, serve us and our needs to
Speaker 4: move our agenda forward.
Speaker 1: The elected officials, the appointed officials, the leaders, all of
Speaker 1: these people. What is the standard of engagement with this administration.
Speaker 1: Some should boycott, some should only critique, but I hope
Speaker 1: that's not what we do on this podcast. I hope
Speaker 1: that we will uplift when things are challenging and how
Speaker 1: great that harm is to us. There was a listener
Speaker 1: question that came in. I don't know if we got
Speaker 1: it to play it, but they had ideas about what
Speaker 1: we should be doing each week when the administration does something,
Speaker 1: how does it impact Black people at a disparate level.
Speaker 1: These things have to be taught. Even folks who are
Speaker 1: in high position, they don't always know. So, yeah, it's ignorant,
Speaker 1: but it's not even will for ignorance. It's like where
Speaker 1: do we go find this? We gonna bring it to
Speaker 1: you right here to ensure.
Speaker 7: To find out Like that was one of my challenges
Speaker 7: when Steve Harvey went to meet with Donald Trump, Like
Speaker 7: why do you think you are the person to go
Speaker 7: sit at the table with Donald Trump and discuss policy
Speaker 7: when you are not a policy exit on literally anything.
Speaker 4: So he was gonna give money to his camp. He
Speaker 4: told him he was gonna get money there, which has some.
Speaker 7: I would say, you are being used and bought cheap.
Speaker 7: But I want to ask you to say, we go
Speaker 7: to the viewer question. So you have been working tirelessly
Speaker 7: on behalf of Marilyn Moseby, and like you, she is
Speaker 7: a client. Essentially, she's your client, but also your your
Speaker 7: boy pro bo no yes, but also our sister. You
Speaker 7: know who we support. If Donald Trump said, you know
Speaker 7: what I'm gonna give, I'm gonna give her a pardon.
Speaker 7: But you need to show up to this inauguration ball.
Speaker 7: You have to deliver the pledge of allegiance and just
Speaker 7: don't say shit bad about me for the next year
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty six. You can say everything you want,
Speaker 7: but basically, I want you to show up to this ball.
Speaker 4: I want you.
Speaker 7: If I got the meet with black leaders at the
Speaker 7: White House, I want you there. I want to take
Speaker 7: a picture with you, and you got to post it
Speaker 7: on your Instagram and say thank you President Trump for
Speaker 7: this pardon.
Speaker 4: Would you do it?
Speaker 1: I would think I would think that I would find
Speaker 1: a way to get to yes. But I ain't doing
Speaker 1: none of this shit.
Speaker 6: You just said.
Speaker 4: I'm not. You would I can't, I can't, I can't,
Speaker 4: and I can't tell anybody that was a deal quiet
Speaker 4: about no, no, no, no, no, no, I I couldn't
Speaker 4: do it. But what I can tell you is.
Speaker 1: We have had conversations with all of the options on
Speaker 1: the table, and a pardon for Donald Trump from Donald
Speaker 1: Donald Trump to for Maryland is not off the table.
Speaker 4: I will tell you. I will tell you that.
Speaker 1: To me, I don't care who the justice comes from
Speaker 1: and why the justice comes.
Speaker 4: It just needs to come.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 4: If in exchange for that, he wants me to lose
Speaker 4: my own soul, it's not happening. Like I just I
Speaker 4: can't do that. I don't I know what your point is.
Speaker 4: I'm interested that you. I'm not wired.
Speaker 1: I'm not wired that way, Tiff, and I think the
Speaker 1: thing that we have to wrestle with as our obligation
Speaker 1: You too, Andrew, because you guys are also not this way.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I love about you guys
Speaker 1: is I know that it's never about self first.
Speaker 4: And if there's ever a moment where I feel like
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go that way, I know that y'all will
Speaker 4: bring me back.
Speaker 1: I think that everybody isn't so fortunate, so blessed to
Speaker 1: have that type of cocoon, and we have to figure
Speaker 1: out a way to make sure our folks know the
Speaker 1: history of what happens when we put self over culture
Speaker 1: or independence over interdependence. It does not work for Black people.
Speaker 1: You can go and try to fulfill the Caucasian blue
Speaker 1: Book if you want to, it ain't gonna work for you.
Speaker 1: It might work for a time, it might work for
Speaker 1: a season, it is not going to work for you
Speaker 1: in the long run. And I think that's really what
Speaker 1: our folks are saying.
Speaker 4: They're not.
Speaker 1: Just enraged with Nelly, Rick Ross, Snoop fifty. They are
Speaker 1: hurt because these are people that they've counted on. Well
Speaker 1: maybe not Nellie, I love you, you know, use my
Speaker 1: fiance on TV, but respectfully, you don't have the same
Speaker 1: cultural uh you know, input, and you know, anyway, Snoop
Speaker 1: is Snoop and maybe arguably fifty. I think that people
Speaker 1: always trusted that they would get truth by any means
Speaker 1: necessary from Snoop, and I think that's what people are reflected.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm looking forward to having a conversation
Speaker 1: with them about it and figure out where we go
Speaker 1: from here.
Speaker 4: We got to go somewhere. We can't stay here to
Speaker 4: say't it?
Speaker 6: At some point?
Speaker 7: I wait, I wait, can I'll be quiet very patient
Speaker 7: with us. This whole episode.
Speaker 6: Famous last week, so I tried to.
Speaker 7: But I've apologizing to you, Andrew, because you have been
Speaker 7: very patient today. I just want to say, in all
Speaker 7: of our careers, but certainly mine and television, there were
Speaker 7: definitely pathways I could have taken if I wanted to
Speaker 7: be self interested. I want to host the Today Show.
Speaker 7: I want to earn seven figures. There were things that
Speaker 7: I didn't have to do or say. I didn't have
Speaker 7: to hold the line for the community on my show
Speaker 7: to my own peril. There were things in life I
Speaker 7: could have taken different jobs for different companies and done
Speaker 7: communications for this company or outreached of this company. I've
Speaker 7: always wanted to live in service to black folks. I
Speaker 7: am convicted that I share this space with two co
Speaker 7: hosts who also feel that way, and so I do
Speaker 7: not have the same grace or understanding. I don't think
Speaker 7: it's a bad thing to have it. I just personally
Speaker 7: do not have it, because when you have paid well,
Speaker 7: you've made that sacrifice and paid a price for it.
Speaker 7: I just think like I'm willing to bleed for my people.
Speaker 7: I'm willing to die for my people. I'm going to
Speaker 7: join a fight for my people. And if somebody came
Speaker 7: to me and said, I'm going to offer you this
Speaker 7: one breadcrumb if you would but sacrifice your people, I
Speaker 7: always knew I could always come home to community. The
Speaker 7: favor and love from white corporate entities is fickle. They
Speaker 7: will love you on Monday and hate you by Friday.
Speaker 7: But there is nothing I can imagine that would be
Speaker 7: dangled before me that would make me want to sacrifice
Speaker 7: the genuine birthright of love that I have from my
Speaker 7: fellow black people, who I will always to the day
Speaker 7: I die, live in service to definite good point. And
Speaker 7: I think y'all both feel the same.
Speaker 6: Way I do. And I know that we were going
Speaker 6: to push to another topic, but I just wanted to say,
Speaker 6: in practicality, the exchange the offer is very rarely, if ever,
Speaker 6: that obvious of quid pro quo. Almost always it is
Speaker 6: the exchanges is that the president is going to do
Speaker 6: he sees the injustice in your situation, and we're going
Speaker 6: to pardon you. And the reason why they don't expect
Speaker 6: anything on the back end is the symbolism of their
Speaker 6: extension of that grace does the job for itself. It
Speaker 6: speaks volumes for us that when Kwame Killpatrick got pardon
Speaker 6: amongst rattlers and the Family Comity and a bunch of
Speaker 6: as alphas rama, folks really felt a sort of way
Speaker 6: because they know the effort and energy that went into
Speaker 6: the previous hitmentministration a Democrat and trying to get that
Speaker 6: same thing to have happened. And the commute correct right
Speaker 6: read the community of the sentence, and it didn't happen.
Speaker 6: And so Kwame didn't have to go out there and
Speaker 6: hold a sign for Donald Trump. He didn't have to
Speaker 6: say a damn thing beyond that. The action in and
Speaker 6: of itself suggested to the people what that may have meant.
Speaker 6: And that's all I'm saying with regard to the example
Speaker 6: you gave around Maryland, it isn't going to be you know,
Speaker 6: if you do this, then you show up here, here, here,
Speaker 6: and here the extension of that grace to her. Let
Speaker 6: me tell you this, They're gonna let everybody know they
Speaker 6: did it. She's obviously going to let folks know that
Speaker 6: she received one. And the action will speak for itself,
Speaker 6: and guess what, it will likely inure more people toward
Speaker 6: him because it will be a sign of what he
Speaker 6: has an appetite for the problem, of course that all
Speaker 6: of us are able to readily identify is that that
Speaker 6: is individual case, specifi selective. How do you say grace
Speaker 6: if I wanted to use that word very loosely. However,
Speaker 6: what isn't happening is that grace is not being extended
Speaker 6: to a system that is designed to produce this outcome
Speaker 6: every single time you put the input in. When the
Speaker 6: input goes in, this is the exact outcome we're going
Speaker 6: to get. So the failure to to disrupt that system
Speaker 6: becomes then our greater community's responsibility to say, wow, thank you,
Speaker 6: you did the right thing here for Maryland. Now, let's
Speaker 6: talk about the incarceration rates, the over prosecution rates, the
Speaker 6: over sentencing in our community. What we're going to do
Speaker 6: about that, because that is where the larger community issue exists,
Speaker 6: and us ripping fathers, brothers, sons, daughters, sisters away from
Speaker 6: their families because of a churning system that is insatiable.
Speaker 6: It will never be full. The appetite is never satisfied
Speaker 6: because the system wasn't designed to ever satisfy it. You
Speaker 6: just got to keep putting and puts in. I'm off
Speaker 6: the ladder, y'all. But I just I can't help but
Speaker 6: think that one it is in Maryland's fault if she
Speaker 6: got a pardon through Trump. But I do know what
Speaker 6: the symbolism will send by way of a signal to
Speaker 6: the community. And I think the community's reaction or the
Speaker 6: community's response has to be that's good, you did a
Speaker 6: good thing here. But now let's talk about the system
Speaker 6: and how we leveled it so that people like Maryland
Speaker 6: are not right back on the doorstep tomorrow morning, because
Speaker 6: we all know that's where it's gonna go.
Speaker 4: That's just it to you, guys. This is honestly, honest
Speaker 4: to God, this is what I'm wrestling with.
Speaker 1: It's not just these isolated instances or incidents with these rappers.
Speaker 10: It is.
Speaker 6: It is.
Speaker 1: Two things in their contradictory. Again, sorry, I'm walking hypocrisy today.
Speaker 4: I apologize. So yeah, all my gray areas, I'm in
Speaker 4: the gray to day. So there is this idea that.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden had this bucket for public corruption, he wouldn't
Speaker 1: touch any public corruption cases even if they were CBC
Speaker 1: members who want supported him, from Kareem Brown to al
Speaker 1: Sie Hastings posthumously to whatever right with this administration that
Speaker 1: was sworn in on Mlkday, where anything goes where you
Speaker 1: can buy your way into the policy or the deregulation
Speaker 1: that you want the cloud around her to the general
Speaker 1: public then, and not just the Marylands of the world,
Speaker 1: but the others who didn't receive the parties, the thousands
Speaker 1: that Tiffany talked about.
Speaker 4: Let's say he does it.
Speaker 1: What it says because of the image of this administration
Speaker 1: in my own mind is he lets all corruption go.
Speaker 1: So then these people who didn't deserve there to be
Speaker 1: there to begin with are now under this like they're
Speaker 1: associated with corruption bubba, which also sucks.
Speaker 4: That's one thing.
Speaker 1: The other thing that it does is, and this is
Speaker 1: the part that's enraging and really sad to me, is
Speaker 1: for the people who fought the artist to preserve the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party, to uplift the Democratic Party, to challenge it
Speaker 1: to be better, to contract with us, to hire us,
Speaker 1: to run us, to utilize us, to lift us up,
Speaker 1: to support our agenda.
Speaker 4: We didn't really have audience there. We could talk, you
Speaker 4: would agree, Joe Biden. You would look in the faces
Speaker 4: of parishioners in church on Sunday in South Carolina and
Speaker 4: say you're gonna see what you can do for Maryland.
Speaker 4: You always do the right thing to say, but could
Speaker 4: never find the right thing to do or shouldn't say never.
Speaker 4: That's not true rarely, especially when it came time to
Speaker 4: talk about our justice.
Speaker 1: That's the conundrum. I'm not trying to send people to
Speaker 1: the Republican Party. I definitely ain't seen justice there. But
Speaker 1: what happens if they start filling the holes, you know,
Speaker 1: of the places where we've been abused and misused and
Speaker 1: unheard and treated as invisible in this party.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie to y'all.
Speaker 6: That scares me.
Speaker 1: That scares me because I don't think it's better over there.
Speaker 1: But if over time the policies become better over there,
Speaker 1: Black people shouldn't be beholden to a party. They should
Speaker 1: be beholden to their collective interests. And I think there
Speaker 1: in lies the balance. Our collective interests have to pave
Speaker 1: the way, not our solo interests.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's the busy stead and y'all, you know what,
Speaker 6: We've got a lot more on this, so our listeners,
Speaker 6: we're never gonna close this out because we have to
Speaker 6: wrestle with it. And guess what, I just agree. Sure,
Speaker 6: they're gonna be stages to this thing, because I've already
Speaker 6: seen the evolution Angela from last week to this week
Speaker 6: in some of your comments similar to what Tiffany has
Speaker 6: already highlighted, which I was.
Speaker 4: If it was souper, I might not be there.
Speaker 6: But that's honestly, but we're gonna hold you accountable to
Speaker 6: your say. Now see in the future, have that kind
Speaker 6: of grace with your brother who says I don't give
Speaker 6: a damn about a coffee.
Speaker 1: No, I have grace for you saying you don't give
Speaker 1: a damn about a coffee. I think that grace for
Speaker 1: you saying it was fine. I just my only thing
Speaker 1: is I think that elected leaders have a different responsibility.
Speaker 4: I hear you guys's point.
Speaker 6: I think we have influence over again, I hear that
Speaker 6: people who have influence, I hear that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, in order for them to properly leverage
Speaker 1: their influence, they have to be educated. And I don't
Speaker 1: think that it is an I don't think that it
Speaker 1: is a wanton disregard for education. I think that there's
Speaker 1: not been an opportunity.
Speaker 6: Well, here's my one piece of advice to those individuals
Speaker 6: like ours. So joining entertainers in a generation before when
Speaker 6: they didn't know the particulars of the issues of the matters,
Speaker 6: they bought experts with them. They didn't go into rooms
Speaker 6: by themselves. They bought people who knew, who sat alongside them,
Speaker 6: and when the question was posed, that entertainer, that celebrity,
Speaker 6: that influence would look to the expert to name names,
Speaker 6: to name agendas, and then make sure that the exchange
Speaker 6: was one that was equitable and right for our community.
Speaker 6: And so if you if you don't know, ignorance is
Speaker 6: no longer if it has ever been a sufficient excuse,
Speaker 6: there are a lot of tools available to you. And
Speaker 6: Tiff take us to uh to a topic that I
Speaker 6: know has to be on your mind there in d C.
Speaker 7: Mey, we've gone I don't even want to get I
Speaker 7: think this is the most interesting topic. I sell go
Speaker 7: at the beginning. If there's time, we would get into this.
Speaker 7: And I think we have exhausted even with that.
Speaker 6: All your DC friends and government.
Speaker 7: Who I think this topic is so it's it's it's
Speaker 7: so interesting to people. And we didn't even get into
Speaker 7: all the things that we wanted to because we really
Speaker 7: didn't talk a lot about black engagement, you know, and
Speaker 7: what that looks like going forward.
Speaker 6: I think there. I think there are phases to this, y'all.
Speaker 6: This is why I think we have to let the
Speaker 6: listeners know we're going to absolutely but you.
Speaker 7: Guys from this lively discussion. I do want you guys
Speaker 7: to know this discussion is going to continue over time.
Speaker 7: I would love to hear from the viewers what you
Speaker 7: guys want to hear when it comes to black engagement.
Speaker 7: What can we inform you about and how can we
Speaker 7: be helpful as we're all figuring this out because we
Speaker 7: you know, we are flying by the seat of our
Speaker 7: pants here with this administration.
Speaker 1: Okay, everybody, we hate going to break and we definitely
Speaker 1: hate to break up the conversation, but we'll be right
Speaker 1: back after this break.
Speaker 2: Well come, well, come, well, come, well, come, well come, welcome.
Speaker 7: Moving us right along, we want to get into CTAs. Angela.
Speaker 7: I know you were saying it's really important that you
Speaker 7: wanted to leave people at least today with something that
Speaker 7: they can do. So all of our CTAs will center
Speaker 7: around a call to action, something that you can do
Speaker 7: to hopefully bring some knowledge, information, serenity, action, whatever that
Speaker 7: thing is as we go for it. So Angel you
Speaker 7: want to go first.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm gonna just echo what I know Andrew's gonna do,
Speaker 1: which is to play this prayer from the Bishop. We
Speaker 1: definitely gonna need intercessory prayer to make it through the
Speaker 1: next four years. I'd also just say one of my
Speaker 1: favorite things that you say all the time TIF is
Speaker 1: to approach things with genuine curiosity, and I would invite
Speaker 1: us all to do that even when we fundamentally disagree
Speaker 1: with people. You know, why are you pursuing this policy?
Speaker 1: Why would you support someone that is doing things that
Speaker 1: cause intentional harm to other communities? And then when you
Speaker 1: do see an intentional harm being, you know, placed onto
Speaker 1: the backs of people who can't fight for themselves, make
Speaker 1: sure you stand up for them and ask why. Make
Speaker 1: sure you figure out how to arm and equip them.
Speaker 1: I've seen a number of posts from our elected officials,
Speaker 1: some of them are friends, like Congressoman Ayana Presley on
Speaker 1: advising people of what to do if ice comes knocking
Speaker 1: at their door or comes to their workplace for an
Speaker 1: ICE raid. That's immigration and customs enforcement. So make sure
Speaker 1: that you're telling people what they can do if things
Speaker 1: like that happen. If someone is being targeted, that you
Speaker 1: know about making sure that you stand with them to
Speaker 1: ensure that they're not going through that on their own.
Speaker 1: The most important thing for us to remember is that
Speaker 1: we were created to be interdependent. That means when we
Speaker 1: go through struggle, we shouldn't go through it alone, and
Speaker 1: when we're celebrating a victory, we shouldn't be alone either.
Speaker 7: I feel, are we closing with the bishop?
Speaker 6: We will close with the bishop?
Speaker 7: See go ahead, Andrew.
Speaker 6: A part of my cta, which is which is the
Speaker 6: first one is if your head is spinning right now
Speaker 6: to the news, to these executive orders to shit, what
Speaker 6: feels like the capitulation of people you admired, respected, expected
Speaker 6: more from. The idea of the other side is to
Speaker 6: exhaust you is to get you so dejected, rejected, alone,
Speaker 6: and out of community so that you aren't able to
Speaker 6: mount the kind of fight that is required in this moment.
Speaker 6: If they exhaust us, if they tire us all out,
Speaker 6: if they make us throw up our hands and say,
Speaker 6: you know what, to hell, they got it all anyway, Uh,
Speaker 6: then we're making their job that much easier. We're making
Speaker 6: their walk, their drive that much straighter. If there are
Speaker 6: no speed bumps, no stop signs, no concrete boulders to delay, defray,
Speaker 6: or completely deflect their assault, then they're going to go
Speaker 6: straight away into it. So I know that we all
Speaker 6: have exhaustion and disappointment and let down and hurt and
Speaker 6: fear and all that other stuff residing in our heads,
Speaker 6: in our minds and our spirits right now, But know
Speaker 6: that those are all tools of the enemy, and they're
Speaker 6: all non redemptive. They don't help us, they don't elevate us,
Speaker 6: they don't get us freer. I just want to point
Speaker 6: in closing on this, my request is to maybe possibly
Speaker 6: take some example from the good bishop who's hopefully going
Speaker 6: to close us out after Tiffany's CTA, to give us,
Speaker 6: I think, a spirit of fight, a spirit of speaking
Speaker 6: truth to power, and then an example of how to
Speaker 6: do it without fear.
Speaker 7: Okay, So my CTA is. I know a lot of
Speaker 7: you ask like, what are reputable sources where we can go?
Speaker 7: And I just wanted to give a big shout out
Speaker 7: to Michael Harriet. He curated an amazing weekend. We traveled
Speaker 7: to the Deep South in Georgia, and in my outcast voice,
Speaker 7: all the players came from far and wide, writers and
Speaker 7: doers and dreamers and builders came. And he announced the
Speaker 7: launch of contraband Camp, which is a substack that he
Speaker 7: found it so you'll see familiar names on there. There'll
Speaker 7: be actual reporting writers and as you all know, he's
Speaker 7: the best selling author of Black af History, so please
Speaker 7: read that. Also, Aaron Haynes does an amazing newsletter and
Speaker 7: writes a column for the nineteenth so please check that
Speaker 7: out and really quickly. My last CTA is, please please
Speaker 7: please vote for us for the NAACP Image Awards. You
Speaker 7: can vote at NAACP image dot net. You can vote
Speaker 7: as many times from different emails. It cannot be the
Speaker 7: same email. But tell your friends, family, everybody.
Speaker 1: You don't get us disqualified. No, that's not your kindest glory.
Speaker 1: That's a father of confusion.
Speaker 4: She didn't mean that.
Speaker 7: No, everybody saying you can tell your friends family, Yeah, yes, everybody.
Speaker 4: So everybody what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: And it would never encourage you to vote the multiple
Speaker 1: email address.
Speaker 7: I think make sure that that y'all tell your friends
Speaker 7: and family to vote for us. And all right, Andrew,
Speaker 7: I know you have a great CTA. And Wade Clows
Speaker 7: us out.
Speaker 6: So let's see and hear an example from the great Bishop.
Speaker 10: Let me make one final plea, mister President, millions have
Speaker 10: put their trust in you, and as you told the
Speaker 10: nation yesterday, you have felt the providential hand.
Speaker 6: Of a loving God. In the name of our God,
Speaker 6: I ask.
Speaker 10: You to have mercy upon the people in our country.
Speaker 10: And we're scared now. There are gay, lesbian, and transgender
Speaker 10: children in Democratic, Republican and independent families, some who fear
Speaker 10: for their lives. And the people, the people who pick
Speaker 10: our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in
Speaker 10: poultry farms and meatpacking plants, who wash the dishes after
Speaker 10: we eat in restaurants, and work the night shifts in hospitals.
Speaker 10: They may not be citizens or have the proper documentation,
Speaker 10: but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.
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