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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. From every

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Speaker 2: mountain side, left freedom ring, and Americas to be a

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Speaker 2: great nation. This must be come true. So let freedom

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Speaker 2: ring from the prodigious hilltops of Newhamn Yard. Let freedom

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Speaker 2: ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom

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Speaker 2: ring from the heightening alligators of Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 3: Let us pray for our forty seventh president. Heavenly Father,

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Speaker 3: We're so grateful that you gave our forty fifth and

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Speaker 3: now our forty seventh president a millimeter miracle. We pray

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Speaker 3: that you use our president that.

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Speaker 4: We will live in a nation well we will not

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Speaker 4: be judged.

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Speaker 5: By the color of our skin, but by the content

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Speaker 5: of our character.

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Speaker 3: From the prodigious hilltops up New Hampshot. Let freedom ring,

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Speaker 3: or from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom

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Speaker 3: ring from the heightening allaghatties up Pennsylvania. Let freedom ring.

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Speaker 6: Okay, well, welcome home, everybody. That was a mess. But

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Speaker 6: this is episode sixty three of Native Landpod, where we

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Speaker 6: give you our breakdown on all things politics and culture

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Speaker 6: and I'm very, very fortunate to be here with you

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Speaker 6: today with my co host Tiffany Cross and Angelo Rye. Ladies,

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Speaker 6: how are you greats.

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Speaker 1: I'm just letting freedom ring out here in these plagiaris streets.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, helloy, they letting snowfall down here in Florida. So

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Speaker 6: anything is possible.

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Speaker 4: Anything, Everything clearly goes in his day and age.

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Speaker 6: I'm telling you, I'm reminded this morning when I woke

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Speaker 6: up and saw this white in the yard, in the

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Speaker 6: streets of my grandmother saying we living in our last days.

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Speaker 4: And evil days.

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Speaker 7: I just want to tell the audience what they just heard,

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Speaker 7: because not everybody watched the inauguration, but obviously Martin Luther

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Speaker 7: King day has passed, and so we started the show

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Speaker 7: with the authentic words of doctor Martin Luther King. But

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Speaker 7: what you heard immediately following that was a plagiarizer, essentially,

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Speaker 7: this preacher that Donald Trump invited to inauguration this past weekend,

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Speaker 7: which I know a lot of you did not watch.

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Speaker 7: But for the few of you who did, who was

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Speaker 7: cause playing Doctor King in the most disrespectful way. So

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Speaker 7: I don't know, Angela, the King family can sue, but

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Speaker 7: it certainly seems like he did not give credits to

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Speaker 7: the originator of those beautiful words and the.

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Speaker 6: Middle of a quote prayer right supposed to be praying?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that he was praying. He was also performing.

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Speaker 1: He did a little praise dance. He was might have whatever. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: point is, I don't know who goes to this man congregation,

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Speaker 1: but please call him for for an altar call.

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Speaker 6: What are we talking about?

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Speaker 7: What are we talking about?

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Speaker 6: What do y'all have? Tell me?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 7: I want to get into briefly if there's time, because

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Speaker 7: we had a lot to get to in the show,

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Speaker 7: So if there's time, I want to talk about the

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Speaker 7: end the federal government ending the work from home policy

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Speaker 7: as soon as Donald Trump took office. I'm curious what

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Speaker 7: you guys think about work from home policies because this

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Speaker 7: is something that people are split on. But I really

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Speaker 7: want to dive deeper into that and explain to the

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Speaker 7: audience what this could mean for our politics, but more importantly,

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Speaker 7: what it could mean for DEI initiatives.

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Speaker 6: Nice, Nice, Angela.

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Speaker 4: I want to talk about pardons.

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Speaker 1: We know that the president, no matter who it is,

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Speaker 1: has the full pardon power constitutionally, and I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about how Joe Biden chose to use his pardon

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Speaker 1: power in his final days, even his final hours, versus

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Speaker 1: how Donald Trump chose to use his pardon power even

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Speaker 1: both of them on January sixth, related issues in his

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Speaker 1: first few hours as president.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, Ronning, I guess the conversation. I love, love,

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Speaker 6: love for us to engage on this topic of how

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Speaker 6: black folks are supposed to interact with this new administration

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Speaker 6: working together? We not? Are there common causes? Are there?

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Speaker 5: Not?

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Speaker 6: Are their minstrels and useful tools in the middle of this?

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Speaker 6: And could progress in some way be gained without losing

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Speaker 6: our self respect, our dignity, uh, and obviously our commitment

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Speaker 6: to our democracy and to our people. So I want

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Speaker 6: to get into that with y'all. Two, So let's get

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Speaker 4: So, you guys, I have been.

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Speaker 1: Really kind of filling the conundrum of sadness. You guys know,

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Speaker 1: I've been trying to be on my workout kick. I've

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Speaker 1: been so frustrated over the last couple of days. I

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Speaker 1: don't think I can remember a more miserable MLK day.

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Speaker 1: And I think as much as I hoped that we

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Speaker 1: would go out on a high note, I felt like

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Speaker 1: just I feel really frustrated about what happened with the pardons.

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Speaker 1: I want to go to like the low lower level

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Speaker 1: to come, just in terms of chronology. But I just

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Speaker 1: want to acknowledge first something positive, y'all know. I like

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Speaker 1: to start with the good. The thing that I believe

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration got right about the pardon power was

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Speaker 1: pardoning a preemptive pardon, which is unprecedented for the January

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Speaker 1: sixth Committee witnesses, and yeah, the staff and the members,

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Speaker 1: and I think that that was necessary. You guys know

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Speaker 1: my biases. Congressman Thompson, his family. To me, he was

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Speaker 1: a remarkable chair of that special committee, and I was

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Speaker 1: terrified of what would happen to him, in particular in

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration. So he was Joe Biden was pressured

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Speaker 1: to protect him, and it took a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 4: To be clear, it wasn't an easy lift, but.

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Speaker 1: It didn't take as much pressure for him to pardon

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Speaker 1: his siblings, which I've never heard anyone mention were in

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Speaker 1: harm's way, But he pardoned all of his siblings. Not himself,

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Speaker 1: not his wife, not his daughter, but all of his siblings,

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Speaker 1: many of whom I've never heard of as well. That day,

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Speaker 1: what he did not do was pardon our good sister,

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Speaker 1: our friend, Marilyn Moseby. Ninety seven plus thousand people in

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Speaker 1: this country signed on to a Color of Change petition

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Speaker 1: supporting a pardon for Marilyn Moseby for withdrawing her own

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Speaker 1: money out of her own retirement account after being in

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Speaker 1: the crosshairs of the Trump administration for many years, and

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Speaker 1: despite Marilyn Moseby having the same same prosecutor on her case,

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Speaker 1: Leo Wise, as Hunter Biden did in his case, they

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Speaker 1: could not see a connection. I'm going to go into

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Speaker 1: what Donald Trump's administration does for the people who ride

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Speaker 1: to January sixth, to stop the steal, to steal things

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Speaker 1: point where Lisa Blunt Rochester, who is now a black

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Speaker 1: violence of a mob of terrorists of insurrectionists. On January sixth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, he said, I got you, you had

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Speaker 1: my back. I'm going to pardon all of you and

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Speaker 1: commute the sentences of thirty plus people for the actions

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Speaker 1: they took on January sixth, twenty twenty one. Meanwhile, meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration's bar and standard for what it requires

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Speaker 1: for a black person in this country to have gotten

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Speaker 1: a pardon is impossible.

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Speaker 4: It is impossible.

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Speaker 1: What happened in the White House over the last several

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Speaker 4: And I'm talking about the ways in which.

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Speaker 1: Black staff, black appointed officials in the Biden administration had

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Speaker 1: to go to bat for Marilyn Moseby versus the white

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Speaker 1: goddamn selves. Like truly, there's no reason that you can

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Speaker 1: tell me that an individual who was selling kids virtually

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Speaker 1: But you can't see the fact that you're all of

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Speaker 1: the legacy of this administration in justice reform was built

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Speaker 1: on the backs of prosecutors like Marilyn Moseby and Kim

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Speaker 1: Marilyn Moseby had her back to ensure that the general

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Speaker 4: Was not a top cop, that she was a progressive prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: So to watch Maryland to left to be hung out

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Speaker 1: to drive for this because the people who continued the

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Speaker 1: case were Biden administration appointees and they didn't want to

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Speaker 1: So now the person who actually had our backs is

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Speaker 1: left hanging out to dry. I got major beef with it,

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Speaker 1: I really really do. And I think it is massively unfortunate,

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Speaker 7: You're black folks, who who is? Can you just tell

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Speaker 7: us you said somebody was selling kids to for profit?

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Speaker 7: That person got a pardon? Who is that you've got? Sorry?

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Speaker 7: I just want just for me and the other listeners

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Speaker 7: who that.

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Speaker 1: There's a cash for kids scandal that existed in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: If somebody has a moment, particularly on our production team,

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Speaker 1: to look up the name of the judge. It is

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Speaker 4: The judge was not pardoned. I don't believe I used

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Speaker 7: If I did, you're talking about, yes, the judge was

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Speaker 7: taking paid right they were, Yes, I know who you're

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Speaker 7: talking about. Okay, I've had something completely different in mind.

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Speaker 6: Cash just yeah, Google cash for kids listeners.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a well known scandal in the Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: I did not if I said that he was pardoned.

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Speaker 1: I apologize. I thought I said that his sentence was community.

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Speaker 7: You probably, which is I'm a misunderstood.

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Speaker 7: Well, I just you know, really quickly, can you say,

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Speaker 7: because you said Eric Barron and not everybody knows who

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Speaker 4: No, he's not so.

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Speaker 1: Eric so the US attorney who was appointed after Robert Hirk,

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Speaker 1: documents case who said he was too old to a

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Speaker 1: stand trial, and Steve Shinning were the bosses of Leo

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Speaker 1: Marilyn worked hand in hand with. Eric did not drop

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Speaker 4: It's not political for me.

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Speaker 9: For me, the political part is over.

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Speaker 6: Can definitely perform.

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Speaker 5: I remember when we were kids. I don't know where

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Speaker 5: So we got to restore order because in a minute,

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Speaker 6: I'm inter racial. I'm black and white.

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Speaker 6: So that was Donald Trump I'm sorry. I was Snoop

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Speaker 7: we just heard from Nelly and Snoop Dogg, and I

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Speaker 7: think the most disheartening thing for me about hearing that

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Speaker 7: is the ignorance that is on display from both of them.

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Speaker 7: I don't think performing for Donald Trump at inauguration is

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Speaker 7: analogous to the people who serve in armed services by

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Speaker 7: any means. I'm so disappointed to hear how Snoop Dogg

444
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Speaker 7: describes his childhood. That may have been his experience, but

445
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,959
Speaker 7: certainly white kids wanted to be black when we were

446
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 7: younger in the eighties, they were in the rap music,

447
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 7: break dancing, they were wearing black hairs out There's never

448
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Speaker 7: been a time wear right like literally since we've come here,

449
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 7: all the swagger and and everything we bring, all the

450
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Speaker 7: culture we bring to this country has always been widely

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Speaker 7: celebrated by people, not just across the country, but across

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Speaker 7: the globe. And I wish he had that level of

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Speaker 7: pride and and and level of information and knowledge uh

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Speaker 7: and was intellectually curious about it, which which he painfully isn't.

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Speaker 7: I did note that Nelly made his rounds, he didn't

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Speaker 7: sit across from anybody black. I would have loved for

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Speaker 7: Nelly to sit across from Joy Read on MSNBC and

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Speaker 7: have a conversation with her, Like, you know, sitting across

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Speaker 7: from a black woman is going to be a drastic

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Speaker 7: We're not going to go for the bullshit. So everything

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Speaker 7: you say you have to now stand on business and

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Speaker 7: defend it. So it's just disappointing to be honest with you.

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Speaker 7: You know, we talked and even with with Congressman Ilhan Omar.

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Speaker 7: It's no disrespect to her, but I think it's quite

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Speaker 7: the assumption that black folks do not hold that outrage

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Speaker 7: for those elected officials, for those folks in business. I

467
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 7: wonder what black people she's referencing, what black people she's

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Speaker 7: talking to on this very show. We have had all

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Speaker 7: the smoke for people who show up. We have in

470
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 7: the comments, people have smoke for people who show up.

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Speaker 7: People we talked to in our group chat have felt

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Speaker 7: away about not only the elected officials who are engaging

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Speaker 7: this administration as though it's normal, but also for entertainers.

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Speaker 7: I don't really expect a lot from entertainers, but I

475
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Speaker 7: do expect some level of acknowledgment of all the policies

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Speaker 7: that will directly harm these people. Can I just say

477
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Speaker 7: this about Snoop really quickly. He's also he disappointed me.

478
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Speaker 7: During the LA Mayor's race, he supported Rick Crusoe, who

479
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Speaker 7: was running against h then Congresswoman Karen Bass, who for

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Speaker 7: the mayor of La. Rick Crusoe is a billionaire developer.

481
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Speaker 7: He's known for he built the grow for our West

482
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Speaker 7: Coast friends. He's was a candidate but also a former

483
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Speaker 7: Republican who switched parties not before he ran. He was

484
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Speaker 7: the former UH president of the LA Board of Police Commissioners.

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Speaker 7: He was a cop lover who promised to massively fund

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Speaker 7: the LA PD. Now we all remember Snoop's music and

487
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Speaker 7: things that he said. He had a lot of fear

488
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Speaker 7: mongering over this dubious crime wave that was happening in LA.

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Speaker 7: And when it came down to what he actually did

490
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Speaker 7: for community, it was, you know, billionaire stuff, tax deductible

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Speaker 7: contributions to protect him. And I remember Snoop. I can't

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Speaker 7: remember the interview, so forgive me if this is not accurate,

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Speaker 7: but there was something that Snoop asked him for that

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Speaker 7: he did something for his football team or a field.

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Speaker 7: And I remember hearing this, like my gid, they bought

496
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 7: you cheap. If that's all it took for you to

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Speaker 7: endorse this man because you picked up the phone and

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Speaker 7: asked him for something and he called you back. They

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Speaker 7: bought you cheap. And I think when we organize, particularly

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Speaker 7: as black women and black men, all the black men

501
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Speaker 7: who are, you know, right beside us in this fight,

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Speaker 7: when we organize, we do so with the greater community

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Speaker 7: in mind. So I don't know, I don't like it.

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Speaker 7: I just I want these rappers to just if you

505
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 7: don't know, shutting up is free fifty cent Kodak Black,

506
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Speaker 7: Nellie Lowel, Wayne Sexy Red. I think she later changed

507
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 7: the baby and Snoop. This is just a handful of

508
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Speaker 7: people who I have zero interest in. I would defy

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Speaker 7: them to have some sort of intellectual conversation with anybody.

510
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 7: But they're out there talking politics and being uplifted like

511
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 7: mascots for white folks, and I find it gross.

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Speaker 1: I first wanted to just acknowledge that il Han's statement

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Speaker 1: was not directed at black people. She was saying people

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Speaker 1: generally in her tweet. I think, oh, she's not gonna mind,

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Speaker 1: She's not gonna mind. I think that it's important that

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Speaker 1: we consider that there are multiple people on every side

517
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Speaker 1: of this that haven't had the same smoke, So we

518
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Speaker 1: say for all of the parties involved. I will say also,

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00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: this idea of buying you cheap is a bi partisan problem, right.

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00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: Some of what I think I'm really wrestling right now

521
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: is we have for a long time if you reference

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Speaker 1: it all the time too, in conversations that you've had

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Speaker 1: with LB our friend Latasha Brown, who runs and is

524
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Speaker 1: a co founder Black Voters Matter, that we are often

525
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Speaker 1: voting as a part of a harm reduction strategy. But

526
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Speaker 1: what happens when the harm is not really really deuce?

527
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: What happens when the hemorrhage turns into a slow bleed,

528
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: but you're bleeding no less, we're all boy for cheap.

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Speaker 1: There were people calling Bill Clinton the first black president

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Speaker 1: because this motherfucker's playing a saxophone.

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Speaker 4: So how cheap is that? You know what I'm saying?

532
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Speaker 4: Like he didn't even buy nothing, like he just oh

533
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Speaker 4: he doubt for us?

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Speaker 1: Why look at the welfare laws, look at the crime bills,

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Speaker 1: right Like, let's be kind of foral about that. So

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Speaker 1: I think what I'm really wrestling with here is when

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00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: you have people in elected office who or who are

538
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Speaker 1: running for office, who are paying attention to your needs

539
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: on a micro level. I'm not talking about a macro level,

540
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: and you finally get the attention that you know that

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00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,479
Speaker 1: you deserve on a micro level, and you prioritize your

542
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Speaker 1: politics best based on that micro level interest. I am

543
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Speaker 1: frustrated about it, but I get it, and I can

544
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Speaker 1: use as an example. I'm so glad we talked about

545
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Speaker 1: the pardon power first because I can use an example

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Speaker 1: my rhetoric right now about the Biden administration based on

547
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Speaker 1: the fact that they did not pardon Maryland Moseby and

548
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Speaker 1: what that means to me figuratively, despite having done the

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Speaker 1: right thing for Marcus Garvey, who I would argue, I

550
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Speaker 1: understand that's what his family wanted, but I would argue

551
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: Marcus Garvey would be way more for the liberation of

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Speaker 1: black people who are still alive than clearing his record,

553
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Speaker 1: because he's a hero to us, no matter what Black

554
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Speaker 1: History Month or not, whether it's that or it's the

555
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: fact that there are people the CBC members who begged

556
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Speaker 1: the Biden administration for executive order after executive order, or

557
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: its Arian Simone who is fighting with every penny she

558
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: had to protect the Fearless Fund, trying to fund us

559
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Speaker 1: and couldn't get an executive action out of the administration

560
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Speaker 1: for that. So your lip service is great, but your

561
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Speaker 1: public service ain't.

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Speaker 4: And then the people.

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Speaker 1: Who don't do either. I don't know that it's not

564
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Speaker 1: that much worse. And so when we talk about Snoop,

565
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Speaker 1: and this is my personal bias, my blind spot, my

566
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: point of hypocrisy, I love Snoop personally, I am frustrated

567
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Speaker 1: by the decision he made to perform at an unofficial

568
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,239
Speaker 1: event during the inauguration, which is the Crypto Ball. The

569
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: man who ran that ball is a former executive from PayPal.

570
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't know their business dealings. I suspect there is something.

571
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: And then Nelly performed in an official event. Rick Ross

572
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: also went to the Crypto Ball. I got personal beef

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00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 1: with Rick Ross Andrew, as you know, because he wouldn't

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Speaker 1: come through to your election eve concert unless he was

575
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: paid and fly down a fly flut flute out.

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Speaker 4: He was trying to get flued out.

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Speaker 1: So for me, I've seen where right the capitalism comes

578
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: into play. I understand their goals, and I also understand

579
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: that many of their goals are to aid and support

580
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: their community. I know firsthand the stuff that Snoop does

581
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Speaker 1: for the community. I also know that some of the

582
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: bias exists. The same way that I said, I would

583
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: be going Capen probably a little bit harder for this

584
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: administration that they've done the right thing for Maryland. At

585
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Speaker 1: the end, he softened his tone and his rhetoric about

586
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: Donald Trump because Harry Oh means everything to him. Harry

587
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: oways pardon at the end of Donald Trump's tenure. I

588
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: understand the shift. I don't like it because my big

589
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: letter politics always will supersede my little p politics. But

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Speaker 1: that is something that I've learned from having worked in

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00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: this space. That is a point of privilege that I have.

592
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: I would rather engage in conversation with my brother and

593
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: figure out all of his why than to tear him

594
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: down anymore in the public because I know the things

595
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: that he's done for our folks far outweigh this moment.

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Speaker 4: I do not like it.

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Speaker 1: I would have preferred that he steered clear, you know,

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, these are the

599
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: decisions they made. I respected what Nelly said. I still

600
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: wish that he didn't go. I understand, you respect the office.

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00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: I try to respect the office. Right now, I'm having

602
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: a hard time because I don't respect the office holder.

603
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: I think that he's trying to undo democracy. It is

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Speaker 1: hard for me to look at everything that happened in

605
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: the last Trump administration and give this dude a pass.

606
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: And that said, Andrew said he wanted to call this

607
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Speaker 1: black engagement with this administration.

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Speaker 4: What does that look like?

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Speaker 1: We really do need to have that conversation because what

610
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: we can't do for four years is just bash everything.

611
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: We have to have somebody or somebody's to go in

612
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: there and have a conversation. It could be a harm

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00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: reduction conversation, it could be a progress conversation. If Marilyn

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Speaker 1: told me that she's open to a pardon by this administration,

615
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Speaker 1: there's somebody I got to send in there to have

616
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: that conversation. But at the end of the day, justice

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00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: isn't beholden to a party. Liberation isn't beholden to a party.

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Speaker 1: It is It is only incumbent upon us to ensure

619
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Speaker 1: that we are always advocating for the best interests of

620
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Speaker 1: black people. Now, when your personal interest get in the

621
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: way of that, we got a problem, and we at

622
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: least need to have a conversation.

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Speaker 7: But this seems interesting because our in All Youration episode,

624
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Speaker 7: I was reading the comments and everybody kept saying, yes,

625
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 7: Angela agree with you. Angela gradually make a point and

626
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 7: I was like, what, I don't even remember because we

627
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 7: had so many conversations. I'm like, what is you saying.

628
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 7: I watched and you did have all the smoke for

629
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 7: people who sat down with Trump. You had all the

630
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 7: smoke for President Biden for even sitting next to him.

631
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Speaker 7: And it does sound a little bit like you're giving

632
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 7: Snoop a pass or you're giving Nelly a pass when

633
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 7: I don't know what they've done to earn that pass.

634
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 7: Like to me, I just I just.

635
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Speaker 4: Tried to explain it, like I think, to me, I

636
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 4: heard that.

637
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Speaker 7: But you're but what you're doing is extending them understanding

638
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 7: that you you are not quick to extend other people

639
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 7: if they're Their intention is oh, I needed this one thing,

640
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 7: and I was willing to go out there and tap

641
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 7: dance and shuck and jy for the white man because

642
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 7: he gave me this one thing. That's how I look

643
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 7: at it. Then, that is that's kind of a challenge.

644
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 7: That's to say, well, I get it because you wanted

645
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 7: this one thing, But to like literally like like scream

646
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Speaker 7: about Joe Biden even sitting next to him. I just

647
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Speaker 7: I don't to me that is those those two points

648
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 7: run contrary to each other, I.

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Speaker 1: Think I I think I tried to say at the beginning,

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Speaker 1: I am resting in contradiction, contradiction, hypocrisy myself. I tried

651
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: to articulate that at the beginning, trying to do that. Now,

652
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is if I were in the same

653
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 1: boat wanting a pardon, which I did for Marilyn Moseby,

654
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Speaker 1: my rhetoric sounds remarkably different right now. My sentiment towards

655
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: the Biden administration is remarkably different right now than had

656
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: that pardon been received. I can still acknowledge that, I

657
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: think God, that Katanji Brown was at the inauguration, rock

658
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: and Cowrie Shells, I can still acknowledge those things. And

659
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: I think that part of what happens with us and

660
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,959
Speaker 1: that cheapens discourse is we lack any ability to have

661
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: a nuanced conversation. I have a different set of standards

662
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: for people who are in elected office and who told

663
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: us something very specific about this man and how dangerous

664
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Speaker 1: he is, things that you and I all know and

665
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: Andrew all know firsthand we witness the attack on our

666
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: brother under that administration. So I'm clear about the dangers

667
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: of it. I'm not clear if they know. That's why

668
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: I said, I and this may have gotten FoST in

669
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Speaker 1: all the other is that I said, But I said,

670
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Speaker 1: I want to have a conversation to be like, why,

671
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: what beyond here go? What beyond respecting the office? What

672
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 1: are you seeing is the opportunity for you being there?

673
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: What policy priorities are you planning to carry in to

674
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: this administration to help liberate black people? And if you're not,

675
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: please tell me why you thought going to do this

676
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 1: was going to help.

677
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Speaker 7: I think if we had played that Snoop sound bite

678
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Speaker 7: in the same fashion that we played the you know,

679
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 7: the alleged Trump supporters on the Chicago street, or if

680
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 7: he was just a random person on the street and

681
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 7: you heard him say I love white people. I'm not

682
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Speaker 7: raising my grandson is white. By the way, if he's

683
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Speaker 7: your biological grandson, Snoop, he's black Racio.

684
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Speaker 1: He was talking about mixed families. He said, yeah, anyway,

685
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: it's fine if.

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Speaker 7: That's the biological grandson. Your grandson is black.

687
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Speaker 4: If it's not as.

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Speaker 1: Violent are you and that I'm saying. I think he

689
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: was trying to make a point that there's now a

690
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: white person in his fan so he loves white people,

691
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: not Donald Trump. Either way, it's not ignorant to me.

692
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Speaker 1: And also I disagree around the point of I do

693
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Speaker 1: think that white kids want to be more black now,

694
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Speaker 1: at least on the West Coast, than they did when

695
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Speaker 1: we were growing up.

696
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Speaker 4: Snoop is older than me.

697
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Speaker 1: But I think that's absolutely the case. I can show

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Speaker 1: you proof of that, so that has that has shifted.

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Speaker 7: But but you're saying that more white kids today one

700
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Speaker 7: of the black than they did in the safties, when

701
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Speaker 7: the when the radio in the seventies. But there's I mean,

702
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Speaker 7: there's reading, there's documentaries, there's so much.

703
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about them culturally appropriating our stuff. I

704
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: think that there's a distinction, and I do think that

705
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Speaker 1: on the West Coast it is probably a little bit different.

706
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: It's different on the East Coast for sure. From my

707
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: experience in being in DC or on the mid Atlantic region,

708
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Speaker 1: it's different.

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Speaker 7: I think they've always wanted to be black. But we

710
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 7: can disagree there. But I was leaking, is Snoop. I

711
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 7: think if he weren't Snoop and we just heard that

712
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 7: sound bite. I wonder if we would have that same understanding,

713
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Speaker 7: if we are willing to extend that same grace to

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Speaker 7: somebody who isn't a personal friend or somebody who's not

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Speaker 7: in the public eye.

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Speaker 1: I told you no, I told you I know firsthand

717
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Speaker 1: the stuff that he's done, and that clip was to

718
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Speaker 1: show that he liked he does not. He said he

719
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: did not like Donald Trump at that point. He's now

720
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: since then said he has love for Donald Trump because

721
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 1: of what he did for his friend.

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Speaker 7: Here he go, and you the same way with Caruso,

723
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 7: who was running out.

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Speaker 1: I don't have I don't have anything that. I don't

725
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: know that, dude, I don't know that. But you know

726
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: Congressoman Karen Bass and but what.

727
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Speaker 4: But so, here's the.

728
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Speaker 1: Other part that we're gonna have to wrestle with at

729
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: some point, probably a larger podcast. Most elected officials don't

730
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Speaker 1: reach out to entertainers and communities the way Andrew Gilliam did.

731
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Speaker 4: That is the truth. That is something that has to

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Speaker 4: be wrestle.

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Speaker 1: With as a result of that, when people pounce on

734
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Speaker 1: your weakness and they go to people and go to

735
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Speaker 1: fortify and build relationships with folks. People like to be

736
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: in close association and proximate to positions of power, no

737
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: matter what, they're.

738
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Speaker 7: Willing to be used.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't think that it's always

740
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Speaker 1: about being used. I think it's a transaction. There's a

741
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: reason why CBC founder said no permanent friends, no permanent enemies,

742
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: just permanent interests. Okay, so I'm just saying that's something

743
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: that we're being mastered. But he was at an unofficial event.

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Speaker 6: I'm narrating that. I'm raising my hand for y'all who

745
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 6: are listening and can't see.

746
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 4: I'm gonna call my friend Snoop and we'll be back.

747
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Speaker 6: I actually really wanted to approach this conversation from a

748
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Speaker 6: place of listening, because I think you all predict very

749
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 6: often that I'm always gonna come down on the side

750
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Speaker 6: of whatever is the norm and the status quo, which

751
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 6: of course I take issue with. But what I do

752
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Speaker 6: think is what I said here on this platform before,

753
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Speaker 6: and that is that people are extreme aly self interested

754
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Speaker 6: and there's no color. You know, there's there's there's no

755
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Speaker 6: there's no blindness to color, no regard rather for for

756
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Speaker 6: for color in regards to our interests uh and having

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Speaker 6: our needs met. And so, for instance, in Florida, when

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Speaker 6: I went to a certain well known you know, rapper,

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Speaker 6: one of the OG's names, I.

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Speaker 4: Won't Luke Campbell. I was about Luke. They weren't gonna

761
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Speaker 4: do it, So I did. That's tag team.

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Speaker 6: But to to meet, you know, with certain people, particularly

763
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Speaker 6: artists entertainers on the early end, for me, I had

764
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Speaker 6: I had to buy bungalows and lunch and all kinds

765
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Speaker 6: of other things that I admittedly said on the phone.

766
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Speaker 6: My campaign can't afford, and neither can I. And so

767
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Speaker 6: if there's not another option, we're not gonna be able

768
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Speaker 6: to meet. And then you dig a little bit deeper

769
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Speaker 6: into the relationship of why you would choose this person

770
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Speaker 6: to get behind over me, who I think best represents

771
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 6: what your lived experiences has been. Why do you make

772
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Speaker 6: that choice? And it is when I needed such and

773
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Speaker 6: such and suchance that you gave my football. My distances

774
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 6: is that or this, and you're in And I almost

775
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Speaker 6: I don't necessarily accept it as the as an appropriate answer,

776
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 6: and I don't even know nobody's asking for my acceptance

777
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 6: of it as an answer, but I do know this.

778
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Speaker 6: I get that when you have a direct example that

779
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 6: you can make for what somebody has done for you,

780
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 6: a lot of the other stuff falls by the wayside.

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Speaker 6: And let me say this. We have movement leaders right

782
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Speaker 6: now leading major civil rights organizations in this country who

783
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Speaker 6: have gone lighter and there and their accountability for certain networks, the.

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Speaker 4: Whole dam thing.

785
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Speaker 7: Money, talk about the whole things, about the whole thing, Angela,

786
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 7: the names of names, because.

787
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Speaker 4: I'm saying I'm sad.

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Speaker 1: It ain't just Snap, it ain't just Nearly And he's

789
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Speaker 1: just the civil rights leaders. It ain't just the mayors,

790
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: it ain't just the state reps.

791
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Speaker 4: It ain't right, it's just my people.

792
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 7: But I got the dame for civil rights. I'm saying,

793
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 7: smoke for people who are my friends. I got the

794
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 7: same smoke for people who are my enemies. If you

795
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Speaker 7: are willing to parade yourself out there like a mascot,

796
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 7: looking like a fool, in my opinion, at the risk

797
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Speaker 7: and damage that this administration is about to do to

798
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Speaker 7: black people because somebody lets you perform, or somebody puts

799
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Speaker 7: your money in your pocket, and he's about to send

800
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Speaker 7: people to the slaughter who are in prisons right now

801
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 7: because he part in your one friend and you were

802
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 7: okay with that. He is ripping families apart at the border,

803
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 7: ripping babies apart from their parents, and you okay with

804
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 7: that because he gave you your friend aparty.

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Speaker 4: I don't here, I have never or i've never nat.

806
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Speaker 7: I have never said Angela, it's about it, but showing up.

807
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: I understand your administration, I understand your perspective.

808
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 7: It is a disgrace of the ancestors. And thank god

809
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 7: there were people who have more principal, who were who

810
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 7: were not so cheaply bought to to not stand on

811
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Speaker 7: the same stage as other people who were just as harmful.

812
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 7: Perhaps and perhaps perhaps you were on some bullshit and

813
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 7: you look like.

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Speaker 6: It. Also could also could be that there are some

815
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Speaker 6: people who haven't had their needs yet directly met and

816
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Speaker 6: so they can still act free. And the only I

817
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 6: just want to reclaim time to simply say the point

818
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Speaker 6: I was trying to make about the self interest here,

819
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Speaker 6: and I made the same point when fifty and all

820
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Speaker 6: these others had all this stuff that say said, y'all,

821
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Speaker 6: fifty cent is in a different tax bracket than you,

822
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Speaker 6: me and the rest of us. Is what he is

823
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Speaker 6: what he might be getting by virtue of this person

824
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Speaker 6: being elected. We may never see and I ever understand.

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Speaker 7: I just think that was.

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Speaker 6: Exact sample all. I think from the beginning of time

827
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Speaker 6: are you from the beginning of time a lot?

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Speaker 4: But I hear you.

829
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Speaker 7: I hear your point.

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Speaker 6: Okay, from the beginning of time?

831
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Speaker 2: What is.

832
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Speaker 4: The point is nuanced?

833
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Speaker 6: And I don't think I don't think it's nuanced. I

834
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 6: actually think it's I think it is very very human,

835
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 6: self individualized, personal self interest that drives every single person

836
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 6: on human on earth. And what allows us to sort

837
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 6: of go back big picture is when we remind ourselves

838
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Speaker 6: that we are not in that class of people, that

839
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Speaker 6: we're not that individual, we're not that person, we're not

840
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Speaker 6: with the right party to get the privilege. And so

841
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 6: we then fall back on the fact that we if

842
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 6: we're not writing together, we're not writing at all. But

843
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 6: I promise you, when when folks find themselves in positions

844
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Speaker 6: of power, when they find themselves either in it themselves

845
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 6: in proximity to it, they look first to their own

846
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Speaker 6: interests and to their own self preservation, and then lots

847
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Speaker 6: of clever people get out there and decorate themselves as

848
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 6: if they are riding for us. But in truth, we've

849
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 6: seen them go hard against the opposition, and we know

850
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Speaker 6: what going hard looks like. So when we see you

851
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 6: going light here, I can only draw one conclusion about

852
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Speaker 6: why that is. And that isn't all you took money

853
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 6: in the back of your pocket, but you got something.

854
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 6: There was something here at works that you're not disclosing

855
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Speaker 6: to the rest of us as to why it is

856
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 6: you're giving these folks that pass. I applaud you, Angela

857
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 6: for at least announcing your contradiction. But for most of

858
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 6: these folks, many of them who consider themselves leaders in

859
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 6: our community, who we look to to be on the

860
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 6: front lines on our behalf, go and they cheapen their

861
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 6: position through what their gift, their exchange is going to be.

862
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Speaker 6: And all I'm saying is I think everyone is possible

863
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Speaker 6: for that level of subjugation. And two, it is incumbent

864
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Speaker 6: upon every last, single one of us to help save

865
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Speaker 6: ourselves because they're not saving us. I can't put my

866
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 6: faith in that anymore.

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Speaker 4: This is this is, this is the thing.

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Speaker 1: So there's a scripture that says, for what shall it

869
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Speaker 1: profit a man if he shall gain the whole world

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Speaker 1: and lose his own soul. And I think that that

871
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: own oxygen mask mentality has been removed from the aircraft

872
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: and taken into community, and that's dangerous. Black people can't

873
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,479
Speaker 1: afford to put only our own oxygen mask on first,

874
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: because the whole community needs oxygen that I'm not forgiving.

875
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: It is one thing for you to say I appreciate

876
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: this person for doing this one thing for me, and

877
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: for that I feel some type of a debt. But

878
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call out when you are doing immigration raids

879
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: in my community, and I'm gonna call out when you

880
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: tried to say COVID was a hoax and most of

881
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: my people died. And I'm gonna call out like whatever

882
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: what you did with abortion rights and access, and I'm

883
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: gonna call like.

884
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 4: All of it. I think all of that needs to

885
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 4: be called out.

886
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: It is fine for you to say I've benefited in

887
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: that way this way, but it is not okay for

888
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: you to turn a blind eye to everything else that happened.

889
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: It is fine for you to say this happened, and

890
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: then therefore I'm gonna do this, But I hope that

891
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: you will not lessen your critique, that you will not

892
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: lessen the ability to hold account like hold accountability in.

893
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 4: The same container as your praise. We do it all

894
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 4: the time.

895
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: I just said at the beginning of the show, here's

896
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: what the Biden administration got right. And now let me

897
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: tell you all the things where I feel like they

898
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: got wrong because it set us back. That's when I

899
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: when I say nuance, that's what I mean. I am

900
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 1: clear about what happens when we do self preservation first.

901
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: That has always served us poorly. That is how we

902
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: got across the Transatlantic okay, across the Atlantic Ocean and

903
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: the Transatlantic slave trade.

904
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 4: That is not beneficial to us. I'm not okay.

905
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: All I'm telling y'all is I want to know why,

906
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: and I want to know why firsthand, and I want

907
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: to know how they're gonna make it right, because I

908
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: do think they have an obligation to make it work right.

909
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: What I would love to do, when we have some

910
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: more time, is figure out all the ways that we

911
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: can also hold the organizations who hold themselves.

912
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 4: In position sure yes, serve us and our needs to

913
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 4: move our agenda forward.

914
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: The elected officials, the appointed officials, the leaders, all of

915
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: these people. What is the standard of engagement with this administration.

916
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: Some should boycott, some should only critique, but I hope

917
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,959
Speaker 1: that's not what we do on this podcast. I hope

918
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: that we will uplift when things are challenging and how

919
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: great that harm is to us. There was a listener

920
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: question that came in. I don't know if we got

921
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: it to play it, but they had ideas about what

922
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: we should be doing each week when the administration does something,

923
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: how does it impact Black people at a disparate level.

924
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: These things have to be taught. Even folks who are

925
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: in high position, they don't always know. So, yeah, it's ignorant,

926
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: but it's not even will for ignorance. It's like where

927
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: do we go find this? We gonna bring it to

928
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: you right here to ensure.

929
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 7: To find out Like that was one of my challenges

930
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 7: when Steve Harvey went to meet with Donald Trump, Like

931
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 7: why do you think you are the person to go

932
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 7: sit at the table with Donald Trump and discuss policy

933
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 7: when you are not a policy exit on literally anything.

934
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 4: So he was gonna give money to his camp. He

935
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 4: told him he was gonna get money there, which has some.

936
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 7: I would say, you are being used and bought cheap.

937
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 7: But I want to ask you to say, we go

938
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 7: to the viewer question. So you have been working tirelessly

939
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 7: on behalf of Marilyn Moseby, and like you, she is

940
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 7: a client. Essentially, she's your client, but also your your

941
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 7: boy pro bo no yes, but also our sister. You

942
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 7: know who we support. If Donald Trump said, you know

943
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 7: what I'm gonna give, I'm gonna give her a pardon.

944
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 7: But you need to show up to this inauguration ball.

945
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 7: You have to deliver the pledge of allegiance and just

946
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 7: don't say shit bad about me for the next year

947
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty six. You can say everything you want,

948
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 7: but basically, I want you to show up to this ball.

949
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 4: I want you.

950
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 7: If I got the meet with black leaders at the

951
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 7: White House, I want you there. I want to take

952
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 7: a picture with you, and you got to post it

953
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 7: on your Instagram and say thank you President Trump for

954
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 7: this pardon.

955
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 4: Would you do it?

956
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: I would think I would think that I would find

957
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: a way to get to yes. But I ain't doing

958
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: none of this shit.

959
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 6: You just said.

960
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 4: I'm not. You would I can't, I can't, I can't,

961
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 4: and I can't tell anybody that was a deal quiet

962
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 4: about no, no, no, no, no, no, I I couldn't

963
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 4: do it. But what I can tell you is.

964
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: We have had conversations with all of the options on

965
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: the table, and a pardon for Donald Trump from Donald

966
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: Donald Trump to for Maryland is not off the table.

967
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 4: I will tell you. I will tell you that.

968
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: To me, I don't care who the justice comes from

969
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: and why the justice comes.

970
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 4: It just needs to come.

971
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 6: Now.

972
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 4: If in exchange for that, he wants me to lose

973
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 4: my own soul, it's not happening. Like I just I

974
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 4: can't do that. I don't I know what your point is.

975
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 4: I'm interested that you. I'm not wired.

976
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm not wired that way, Tiff, and I think the

977
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: thing that we have to wrestle with as our obligation

978
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: You too, Andrew, because you guys are also not this way.

979
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: One of the things that I love about you guys

980
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: is I know that it's never about self first.

981
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 4: And if there's ever a moment where I feel like

982
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go that way, I know that y'all will

983
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 4: bring me back.

984
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: I think that everybody isn't so fortunate, so blessed to

985
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: have that type of cocoon, and we have to figure

986
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: out a way to make sure our folks know the

987
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: history of what happens when we put self over culture

988
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: or independence over interdependence. It does not work for Black people.

989
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: You can go and try to fulfill the Caucasian blue

990
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: Book if you want to, it ain't gonna work for you.

991
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: It might work for a time, it might work for

992
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: a season, it is not going to work for you

993
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: in the long run. And I think that's really what

994
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: our folks are saying.

995
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 4: They're not.

996
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: Just enraged with Nelly, Rick Ross, Snoop fifty. They are

997
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: hurt because these are people that they've counted on. Well

998
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: maybe not Nellie, I love you, you know, use my

999
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: fiance on TV, but respectfully, you don't have the same

1000
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: cultural uh you know, input, and you know, anyway, Snoop

1001
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: is Snoop and maybe arguably fifty. I think that people

1002
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: always trusted that they would get truth by any means

1003
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: necessary from Snoop, and I think that's what people are reflected.

1004
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm looking forward to having a conversation

1005
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: with them about it and figure out where we go

1006
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: from here.

1007
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 4: We got to go somewhere. We can't stay here to

1008
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 4: say't it?

1009
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 6: At some point?

1010
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 7: I wait, I wait, can I'll be quiet very patient

1011
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 7: with us. This whole episode.

1012
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 6: Famous last week, so I tried to.

1013
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 7: But I've apologizing to you, Andrew, because you have been

1014
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 7: very patient today. I just want to say, in all

1015
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 7: of our careers, but certainly mine and television, there were

1016
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 7: definitely pathways I could have taken if I wanted to

1017
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 7: be self interested. I want to host the Today Show.

1018
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 7: I want to earn seven figures. There were things that

1019
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 7: I didn't have to do or say. I didn't have

1020
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 7: to hold the line for the community on my show

1021
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 7: to my own peril. There were things in life I

1022
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 7: could have taken different jobs for different companies and done

1023
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 7: communications for this company or outreached of this company. I've

1024
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 7: always wanted to live in service to black folks. I

1025
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 7: am convicted that I share this space with two co

1026
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 7: hosts who also feel that way, and so I do

1027
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 7: not have the same grace or understanding. I don't think

1028
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 7: it's a bad thing to have it. I just personally

1029
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 7: do not have it, because when you have paid well,

1030
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 7: you've made that sacrifice and paid a price for it.

1031
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,959
Speaker 7: I just think like I'm willing to bleed for my people.

1032
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 7: I'm willing to die for my people. I'm going to

1033
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 7: join a fight for my people. And if somebody came

1034
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 7: to me and said, I'm going to offer you this

1035
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 7: one breadcrumb if you would but sacrifice your people, I

1036
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 7: always knew I could always come home to community. The

1037
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 7: favor and love from white corporate entities is fickle. They

1038
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 7: will love you on Monday and hate you by Friday.

1039
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 7: But there is nothing I can imagine that would be

1040
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 7: dangled before me that would make me want to sacrifice

1041
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 7: the genuine birthright of love that I have from my

1042
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 7: fellow black people, who I will always to the day

1043
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 7: I die, live in service to definite good point. And

1044
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 7: I think y'all both feel the same.

1045
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 6: Way I do. And I know that we were going

1046
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 6: to push to another topic, but I just wanted to say,

1047
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 6: in practicality, the exchange the offer is very rarely, if ever,

1048
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 6: that obvious of quid pro quo. Almost always it is

1049
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 6: the exchanges is that the president is going to do

1050
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 6: he sees the injustice in your situation, and we're going

1051
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 6: to pardon you. And the reason why they don't expect

1052
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 6: anything on the back end is the symbolism of their

1053
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 6: extension of that grace does the job for itself. It

1054
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 6: speaks volumes for us that when Kwame Killpatrick got pardon

1055
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 6: amongst rattlers and the Family Comity and a bunch of

1056
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 6: as alphas rama, folks really felt a sort of way

1057
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 6: because they know the effort and energy that went into

1058
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 6: the previous hitmentministration a Democrat and trying to get that

1059
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 6: same thing to have happened. And the commute correct right

1060
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 6: read the community of the sentence, and it didn't happen.

1061
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 6: And so Kwame didn't have to go out there and

1062
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 6: hold a sign for Donald Trump. He didn't have to

1063
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 6: say a damn thing beyond that. The action in and

1064
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 6: of itself suggested to the people what that may have meant.

1065
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 6: And that's all I'm saying with regard to the example

1066
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 6: you gave around Maryland, it isn't going to be you know,

1067
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 6: if you do this, then you show up here, here, here,

1068
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 6: and here the extension of that grace to her. Let

1069
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 6: me tell you this, They're gonna let everybody know they

1070
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 6: did it. She's obviously going to let folks know that

1071
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 6: she received one. And the action will speak for itself,

1072
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 6: and guess what, it will likely inure more people toward

1073
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 6: him because it will be a sign of what he

1074
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 6: has an appetite for the problem, of course that all

1075
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 6: of us are able to readily identify is that that

1076
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 6: is individual case, specifi selective. How do you say grace

1077
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 6: if I wanted to use that word very loosely. However,

1078
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 6: what isn't happening is that grace is not being extended

1079
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 6: to a system that is designed to produce this outcome

1080
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 6: every single time you put the input in. When the

1081
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 6: input goes in, this is the exact outcome we're going

1082
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 6: to get. So the failure to to disrupt that system

1083
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 6: becomes then our greater community's responsibility to say, wow, thank you,

1084
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,479
Speaker 6: you did the right thing here for Maryland. Now, let's

1085
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 6: talk about the incarceration rates, the over prosecution rates, the

1086
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 6: over sentencing in our community. What we're going to do

1087
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 6: about that, because that is where the larger community issue exists,

1088
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 6: and us ripping fathers, brothers, sons, daughters, sisters away from

1089
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 6: their families because of a churning system that is insatiable.

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Speaker 6: It will never be full. The appetite is never satisfied

1091
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 6: because the system wasn't designed to ever satisfy it. You

1092
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 6: just got to keep putting and puts in. I'm off

1093
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 6: the ladder, y'all. But I just I can't help but

1094
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 6: think that one it is in Maryland's fault if she

1095
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 6: got a pardon through Trump. But I do know what

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00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 6: the symbolism will send by way of a signal to

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Speaker 6: the community. And I think the community's reaction or the

1098
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 6: community's response has to be that's good, you did a

1099
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 6: good thing here. But now let's talk about the system

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Speaker 6: and how we leveled it so that people like Maryland

1101
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 6: are not right back on the doorstep tomorrow morning, because

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Speaker 6: we all know that's where it's gonna go.

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Speaker 4: That's just it to you, guys. This is honestly, honest

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00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 4: to God, this is what I'm wrestling with.

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Speaker 1: It's not just these isolated instances or incidents with these rappers.

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Speaker 10: It is.

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Speaker 6: It is.

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Speaker 1: Two things in their contradictory. Again, sorry, I'm walking hypocrisy today.

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Speaker 4: I apologize. So yeah, all my gray areas, I'm in

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Speaker 4: the gray to day. So there is this idea that.

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00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: Joe Biden had this bucket for public corruption, he wouldn't

1112
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: touch any public corruption cases even if they were CBC

1113
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: members who want supported him, from Kareem Brown to al

1114
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: Sie Hastings posthumously to whatever right with this administration that

1115
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: was sworn in on Mlkday, where anything goes where you

1116
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: can buy your way into the policy or the deregulation

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00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: that you want the cloud around her to the general

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Speaker 1: public then, and not just the Marylands of the world,

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00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: but the others who didn't receive the parties, the thousands

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Speaker 1: that Tiffany talked about.

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Speaker 4: Let's say he does it.

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Speaker 1: What it says because of the image of this administration

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Speaker 1: in my own mind is he lets all corruption go.

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Speaker 1: So then these people who didn't deserve there to be

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Speaker 1: there to begin with are now under this like they're

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00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: associated with corruption bubba, which also sucks.

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00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 4: That's one thing.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that it does is, and this is

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Speaker 1: the part that's enraging and really sad to me, is

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Speaker 1: for the people who fought the artist to preserve the

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00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: Democratic Party, to uplift the Democratic Party, to challenge it

1132
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: to be better, to contract with us, to hire us,

1133
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: to run us, to utilize us, to lift us up,

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Speaker 1: to support our agenda.

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Speaker 4: We didn't really have audience there. We could talk, you

1136
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 4: would agree, Joe Biden. You would look in the faces

1137
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Speaker 4: of parishioners in church on Sunday in South Carolina and

1138
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 4: say you're gonna see what you can do for Maryland.

1139
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 4: You always do the right thing to say, but could

1140
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 4: never find the right thing to do or shouldn't say never.

1141
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 4: That's not true rarely, especially when it came time to

1142
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Speaker 4: talk about our justice.

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00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: That's the conundrum. I'm not trying to send people to

1144
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: the Republican Party. I definitely ain't seen justice there. But

1145
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: what happens if they start filling the holes, you know,

1146
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: of the places where we've been abused and misused and

1147
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: unheard and treated as invisible in this party.

1148
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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie to y'all.

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00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 6: That scares me.

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Speaker 1: That scares me because I don't think it's better over there.

1151
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: But if over time the policies become better over there,

1152
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: Black people shouldn't be beholden to a party. They should

1153
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: be beholden to their collective interests. And I think there

1154
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: in lies the balance. Our collective interests have to pave

1155
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: the way, not our solo interests.

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Speaker 6: Yes, that's the busy stead and y'all, you know what,

1157
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 6: We've got a lot more on this, so our listeners,

1158
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 6: we're never gonna close this out because we have to

1159
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 6: wrestle with it. And guess what, I just agree. Sure,

1160
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 6: they're gonna be stages to this thing, because I've already

1161
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 6: seen the evolution Angela from last week to this week

1162
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 6: in some of your comments similar to what Tiffany has

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Speaker 6: already highlighted, which I was.

1164
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Speaker 4: If it was souper, I might not be there.

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Speaker 6: But that's honestly, but we're gonna hold you accountable to

1166
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 6: your say. Now see in the future, have that kind

1167
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 6: of grace with your brother who says I don't give

1168
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 6: a damn about a coffee.

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Speaker 1: No, I have grace for you saying you don't give

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01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: a damn about a coffee. I think that grace for

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01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: you saying it was fine. I just my only thing

1172
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: is I think that elected leaders have a different responsibility.

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Speaker 4: I hear you guys's point.

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Speaker 6: I think we have influence over again, I hear that

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01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 6: people who have influence, I hear that.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, in order for them to properly leverage

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Speaker 1: their influence, they have to be educated. And I don't

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01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: think that it is an I don't think that it

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01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: is a wanton disregard for education. I think that there's

1180
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:32,919
Speaker 1: not been an opportunity.

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Speaker 6: Well, here's my one piece of advice to those individuals

1182
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 6: like ours. So joining entertainers in a generation before when

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01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 6: they didn't know the particulars of the issues of the matters,

1184
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 6: they bought experts with them. They didn't go into rooms

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01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 6: by themselves. They bought people who knew, who sat alongside them,

1186
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 6: and when the question was posed, that entertainer, that celebrity,

1187
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 6: that influence would look to the expert to name names,

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01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 6: to name agendas, and then make sure that the exchange

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Speaker 6: was one that was equitable and right for our community.

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Speaker 6: And so if you if you don't know, ignorance is

1191
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 6: no longer if it has ever been a sufficient excuse,

1192
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 6: there are a lot of tools available to you. And

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01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 6: Tiff take us to uh to a topic that I

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01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 6: know has to be on your mind there in d C.

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Speaker 7: Mey, we've gone I don't even want to get I

1196
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 7: think this is the most interesting topic. I sell go

1197
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 7: at the beginning. If there's time, we would get into this.

1198
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Speaker 7: And I think we have exhausted even with that.

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Speaker 6: All your DC friends and government.

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Speaker 7: Who I think this topic is so it's it's it's

1201
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 7: so interesting to people. And we didn't even get into

1202
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 7: all the things that we wanted to because we really

1203
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 7: didn't talk a lot about black engagement, you know, and

1204
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 7: what that looks like going forward.

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Speaker 6: I think there. I think there are phases to this, y'all.

1206
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 6: This is why I think we have to let the

1207
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 6: listeners know we're going to absolutely but you.

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01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:57,439
Speaker 7: Guys from this lively discussion. I do want you guys

1209
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 7: to know this discussion is going to continue over time.

1210
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 7: I would love to hear from the viewers what you

1211
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 7: guys want to hear when it comes to black engagement.

1212
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 7: What can we inform you about and how can we

1213
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 7: be helpful as we're all figuring this out because we

1214
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 7: you know, we are flying by the seat of our

1215
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 7: pants here with this administration.

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01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: Okay, everybody, we hate going to break and we definitely

1217
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: hate to break up the conversation, but we'll be right

1218
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 1: back after this break.

1219
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 2: Well come, well, come, well, come, well, come, well come, welcome.

1220
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Speaker 7: Moving us right along, we want to get into CTAs. Angela.

1221
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 7: I know you were saying it's really important that you

1222
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 7: wanted to leave people at least today with something that

1223
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 7: they can do. So all of our CTAs will center

1224
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 7: around a call to action, something that you can do

1225
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 7: to hopefully bring some knowledge, information, serenity, action, whatever that

1226
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 7: thing is as we go for it. So Angel you

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Speaker 7: want to go first.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm gonna just echo what I know Andrew's gonna do,

1229
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: which is to play this prayer from the Bishop. We

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01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: definitely gonna need intercessory prayer to make it through the

1231
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: next four years. I'd also just say one of my

1232
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: favorite things that you say all the time TIF is

1233
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: to approach things with genuine curiosity, and I would invite

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01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: us all to do that even when we fundamentally disagree

1235
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: with people. You know, why are you pursuing this policy?

1236
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: Why would you support someone that is doing things that

1237
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: cause intentional harm to other communities? And then when you

1238
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: do see an intentional harm being, you know, placed onto

1239
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: the backs of people who can't fight for themselves, make

1240
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: sure you stand up for them and ask why. Make

1241
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: sure you figure out how to arm and equip them.

1242
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: I've seen a number of posts from our elected officials,

1243
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: some of them are friends, like Congressoman Ayana Presley on

1244
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 1: advising people of what to do if ice comes knocking

1245
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: at their door or comes to their workplace for an

1246
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: ICE raid. That's immigration and customs enforcement. So make sure

1247
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: that you're telling people what they can do if things

1248
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: like that happen. If someone is being targeted, that you

1249
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: know about making sure that you stand with them to

1250
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: ensure that they're not going through that on their own.

1251
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: The most important thing for us to remember is that

1252
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: we were created to be interdependent. That means when we

1253
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: go through struggle, we shouldn't go through it alone, and

1254
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: when we're celebrating a victory, we shouldn't be alone either.

1255
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 7: I feel, are we closing with the bishop?

1256
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 6: We will close with the bishop?

1257
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 7: See go ahead, Andrew.

1258
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 6: A part of my cta, which is which is the

1259
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 6: first one is if your head is spinning right now

1260
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 6: to the news, to these executive orders to shit, what

1261
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 6: feels like the capitulation of people you admired, respected, expected

1262
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 6: more from. The idea of the other side is to

1263
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 6: exhaust you is to get you so dejected, rejected, alone,

1264
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 6: and out of community so that you aren't able to

1265
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 6: mount the kind of fight that is required in this moment.

1266
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 6: If they exhaust us, if they tire us all out,

1267
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 6: if they make us throw up our hands and say,

1268
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 6: you know what, to hell, they got it all anyway, Uh,

1269
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 6: then we're making their job that much easier. We're making

1270
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 6: their walk, their drive that much straighter. If there are

1271
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 6: no speed bumps, no stop signs, no concrete boulders to delay, defray,

1272
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 6: or completely deflect their assault, then they're going to go

1273
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 6: straight away into it. So I know that we all

1274
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 6: have exhaustion and disappointment and let down and hurt and

1275
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 6: fear and all that other stuff residing in our heads,

1276
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 6: in our minds and our spirits right now, But know

1277
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 6: that those are all tools of the enemy, and they're

1278
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 6: all non redemptive. They don't help us, they don't elevate us,

1279
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 6: they don't get us freer. I just want to point

1280
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 6: in closing on this, my request is to maybe possibly

1281
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 6: take some example from the good bishop who's hopefully going

1282
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 6: to close us out after Tiffany's CTA, to give us,

1283
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 6: I think, a spirit of fight, a spirit of speaking

1284
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 6: truth to power, and then an example of how to

1285
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 6: do it without fear.

1286
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 7: Okay, So my CTA is. I know a lot of

1287
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 7: you ask like, what are reputable sources where we can go?

1288
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 7: And I just wanted to give a big shout out

1289
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 7: to Michael Harriet. He curated an amazing weekend. We traveled

1290
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 7: to the Deep South in Georgia, and in my outcast voice,

1291
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 7: all the players came from far and wide, writers and

1292
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 7: doers and dreamers and builders came. And he announced the

1293
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 7: launch of contraband Camp, which is a substack that he

1294
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 7: found it so you'll see familiar names on there. There'll

1295
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 7: be actual reporting writers and as you all know, he's

1296
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 7: the best selling author of Black af History, so please

1297
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 7: read that. Also, Aaron Haynes does an amazing newsletter and

1298
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 7: writes a column for the nineteenth so please check that

1299
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 7: out and really quickly. My last CTA is, please please

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Speaker 7: please vote for us for the NAACP Image Awards. You

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Speaker 7: can vote at NAACP image dot net. You can vote

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Speaker 7: as many times from different emails. It cannot be the

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Speaker 7: same email. But tell your friends, family, everybody.

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Speaker 1: You don't get us disqualified. No, that's not your kindest glory.

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Speaker 1: That's a father of confusion.

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Speaker 4: She didn't mean that.

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Speaker 7: No, everybody saying you can tell your friends family, Yeah, yes, everybody.

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Speaker 4: So everybody what I was thinking.

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Speaker 1: And it would never encourage you to vote the multiple

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Speaker 1: email address.

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Speaker 7: I think make sure that that y'all tell your friends

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Speaker 7: and family to vote for us. And all right, Andrew,

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Speaker 7: I know you have a great CTA. And Wade Clows

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Speaker 7: us out.

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Speaker 6: So let's see and hear an example from the great Bishop.

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Speaker 10: Let me make one final plea, mister President, millions have

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Speaker 10: put their trust in you, and as you told the

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Speaker 10: nation yesterday, you have felt the providential hand.

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Speaker 6: Of a loving God. In the name of our God,

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Speaker 6: I ask.

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Speaker 10: You to have mercy upon the people in our country.

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Speaker 10: And we're scared now. There are gay, lesbian, and transgender

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Speaker 10: children in Democratic, Republican and independent families, some who fear

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Speaker 10: for their lives. And the people, the people who pick

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Speaker 10: our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in

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Speaker 10: poultry farms and meatpacking plants, who wash the dishes after

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Speaker 10: we eat in restaurants, and work the night shifts in hospitals.

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Speaker 10: They may not be citizens or have the proper documentation,

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Speaker 10: but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.

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