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Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the thing,

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Speaker 1: My chance to talk with artists, policymakers and performers, to

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Speaker 1: hear their stories. What inspired their creations, what decisions change

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Speaker 1: their careers, what relationships influenced their work. You have this

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Speaker 1: relationship with the audience that is private between you and them.

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Speaker 1: Your critics want to write, people want to talk. We

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Speaker 1: we have our own thing that nobody, nobody can break

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Speaker 1: that Once you build that, it can't be broken. Why

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Speaker 1: are you please welcome Jerry Steinfeld. Jerry Seinfeld debuted on

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Speaker 1: HBO in It was the same year he first appeared

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Speaker 1: on Johnny Carson. He was twenty seven years old. Nice

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Speaker 1: to be here tonight, A pleasure to be here tonight.

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Speaker 1: Seinfeld's material stood out. It wasn't about his upbringing or

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Speaker 1: personal relationships. It was about our universal experience of everyday things.

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Speaker 1: But Johns have got to be the world's funniest clothes.

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Speaker 1: Who designed them to look that way? Like a little

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Speaker 1: tiny suit? Notice little collar button down and a breast pocket.

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Speaker 1: There's a useful item. Is anybody using the breast pocket

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Speaker 1: on you? For times, Seinfeld asked questions we wished we'd

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Speaker 1: thought of. Then he'd answer them with a casual precision

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Speaker 1: that seemed to spin comedy out of nothing. In eight

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Speaker 1: years after his HBO debut, he and Larry David created

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Speaker 1: a weekly series that would change both their lives. This

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Speaker 1: is the show, and we're not going to change it. Right,

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Speaker 1: how about this? I manage a circus Seinfeld brand For

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Speaker 1: nine seasons on NBC. It was critical and popular success.

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Speaker 1: The show about nothing, as it's been described, challenged some

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Speaker 1: long established laws of mainstream television comedy. It was brilliantly unsentimental.

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Speaker 1: The characters rarely exhibited emotions other than exasperation. You think

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Speaker 1: what was going on? And on set, the writers held

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Speaker 1: strongly to a principle they dubbed no hugging, no learning.

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Speaker 1: But the seventies six million viewers who watched the series

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Speaker 1: finale waited to see what would happen next to the

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Speaker 1: performers they'd grown to love. We could put on a show,

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Speaker 1: maybe uh Bye Bye Birdie or My Fair Lady Elaine.

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Speaker 1: And even though conventional wisdom predicted spinoffs and sequels, Jerry

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Speaker 1: Seinfeld went back to stand up and it wasn't easy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all the stuff I've never set before anyone. So this

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Speaker 1: it's quite painful. He's done a few other projects as well.

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Speaker 1: The latest on the internet is a show called Comedians

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Speaker 1: in Cars Getting Coffee, which combines some of his favorite things,

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Speaker 1: driving while talking to his friends and drinking coffee. It's

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Speaker 1: funny that you picked a Jaguar, because I have a

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Speaker 1: secret love of Jaguars. But I'm not a car person,

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Speaker 1: and I don't believe in spending money on cars. No offense.

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Speaker 1: Jerry Seinfeld has it figured out. He isn't destroying himself

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Speaker 1: trying to prove something. He isn't tortured by the challenges

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Speaker 1: of his art. He keeps things simple and clear. Take

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Speaker 1: his regular morning routine when he wakes up. If my

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Speaker 1: like cat pulling around. I want to get up. Let's go, baby.

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Speaker 1: So the first thing I want, Yeah, I want, I

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Speaker 1: want sports radio on. And I and I washed, and

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Speaker 1: I run the faucets and I start splashing my face

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Speaker 1: I was gonna see more like Joan Crawford before she

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Speaker 1: revive for the next round. Yeah, and I took that.

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Speaker 1: I said, that's great. I'm gonna do that. That's how

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Speaker 1: What if you go on stage? Is that what you do?

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Speaker 1: You know, after I come off, when you come on,

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Speaker 1: when I come off, the hardest thing when you come

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Speaker 1: off is to return to your actual personality. You've blown

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Speaker 1: And when you come off stage, I gotta go back

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Speaker 1: start the morning. Shades up radio sports radio on splashing

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Speaker 1: the face? Yes, and then and then what do you

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Speaker 1: have for breakfast? What's breakfast? Oatmeal? Honey and sentiment. So

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Speaker 1: there's a kind of a military theme, but there's a

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Speaker 1: gonna get hurt. Yeah, you want me on that stage,

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Speaker 1: you don't know. What word do you just use to

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Speaker 1: I don't need to describe it with another world called

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Speaker 1: not an actor. I have acted. Have you ever considered

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Speaker 1: doing anything dramatic? No? Why to what end? Okay, it's

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Speaker 1: just a waste of time. Yes, So when when you

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Speaker 1: example is when Jerry Lewis does King of Comedy and

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Speaker 1: you don't see yourself doing that kind of in the

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Speaker 1: not you grading me. Am I like, am I not

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Speaker 1: getting it right here? I'm just I'm just I'm just

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Speaker 1: ripping with you, and I'm just saying that, um, what

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Speaker 1: saying is that there are people that come out on film,

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Speaker 1: the improvisatory groups, you know, if they come from UCB

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Speaker 1: or Groundlings Corral is a good example, and they come

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Speaker 1: on and there was an amount of acting that's required.

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Speaker 1: When you did your TV show, there was some acting

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Speaker 1: a comic. If I'm on the show acting, then i'm acting.

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Speaker 1: just don't see the need for it. I don't think

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Speaker 1: the world needs me to do that. Paul Rudd, what

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Speaker 1: There's many people that can do that thing and I

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Speaker 1: splashing an inordinate amount of really brisk water. It's almost

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Speaker 1: always three splashes. I'm trying. I'm feeling eight or nine

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Speaker 1: We're like in a deposition here. I love talking with you.

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Speaker 1: You know that. I love talking with you. Okay, so um?

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Speaker 1: does it take in show business? Let's answer that question,

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Speaker 1: because I haven't. I'll tell you who's in show business?

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Speaker 1: You know it's in show business? And who wants to

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Speaker 1: Do I have the skill set? Do I have a talent?

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Speaker 1: I have something to offer. We'll find out or not.

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't I may not take on that with

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Speaker 1: between Puccino. I said to him, what do you do

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Speaker 1: you put on for us when when that was going on?

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Speaker 1: He just wants it. He wants and most of most

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Speaker 1: But the idea that you want to take pictures of

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Speaker 1: I am only too happy to make. All my relationships

421
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Speaker 1: I got married at forty five. All my relationships were

422
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: as disposable as a dixie cup. Excuse me with women

423
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: you made. Yes, I gotta work. You've gone right, But

424
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: well if you don't, if you don't want you know, well,

425
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: if you if you're gonna be on the road that much,

426
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: we can't be together. Goodbye, goodbye. This is this my

427
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: I have had a sense of mission. You were like

428
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: Lee Strasburg in The Godfather Part two. Yes, when he says,

429
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 1: if I come back here, I know I have a partner.

430
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: I'll know I have a partner. If it's not, i'll

431
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: know I don't. I'll know I don't. What he said,

432
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm going in the other room. It's the last time

433
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: a really out of shape man took his shirt off

434
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 1: in a movie and it wasn't bad. Hair on the

435
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: top of the shoulders, a little little little like a

436
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 1: little tumbleweeds of hair. Yeah, did you know him? Did

437
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: you know when I studied acting at this school on

438
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: fifte Street. When I went to n y U, I

439
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: went to Strasburg. They assigned you to the studio, You

440
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: went to Adler Strasburg Up. I went to Strasburg and

441
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: I had wonderful teachers, Marsha how Freckt and Jeffrey Horn

442
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: is a wonderful too beautiful people. But you know, the

443
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: method of Strasburg was very uh severe. Did it work

444
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: for you one of the Well, it opened up your

445
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: eyes to the idea of whatever word you want to use,

446
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 1: I'm never going to use the right word for everyone.

447
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: To mind your past and mind your emotional fabric to

448
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: get where you want to go. Whereas Strasberg and Stanislavski,

449
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: both people don't necessarily stumble across this fine print and

450
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: all these writings of their where what Stanislavski and Strasburg

451
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: both said is that the method, so to speak, is

452
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: something that you apply only if inspiration fails you like

453
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't need to go off into a

454
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: room and twist yourself into some kind of psychological pretzel

455
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: to do this work. If you can just say the

456
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: words and you're there, you feel connected to the character

457
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: in and of yourself. Do you do you have a

458
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: desire as an actor to be one of those guys,

459
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: one of those I'm gonna take my rib cage and separated.

460
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: When I was younger, I did you did? When I

461
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: was younger? I did? Did you feel you there was

462
00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: there was there a role where you felt you got

463
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: close to that. When I did street Car named Desire

464
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: on Broadway and Amy Madigan, I would scream Stella stella

465
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: for her to come downstairs, and Amy would come in.

466
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,959
Speaker 1: The minute I would touch Amy, I'd burst into tears.

467
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: Remember I didn't. I loved Amy more than any woman

468
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: I ever loved. You know, at that moment, I mean,

469
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: and it was real right, I was in love with Amy.

470
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: Do you think I'm capable of that kind of work?

471
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: I think you are. It would be a tremendous mistake

472
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: on your car. It would be a huge would be

473
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: one of the poorest choices, probably in show business history,

474
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: for you to go and to say, you want to

475
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: know what do you want to do? A street car

476
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: on um. I was in an acting class where a

477
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 1: guy did have me play Brick, but that's Cata hot

478
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: Tin roof. He because I was able to handle the

479
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: light comedy so easily, he said you, I need to

480
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: challenge you more. So he had me and he said,

481
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: I want you to study the role of Brick. Wasn't

482
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: that the name of the character street and yeah, Maggie

483
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: and Brick. Yeah. Well that's when I left that. There's

484
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: a girl I could you you're the pret this because

485
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: you're from Long Island. And I met this woman, uh

486
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: many years later and even she laughed about it, so

487
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: I can say this, remember pergaments hardware storm. Okay, I

488
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: went to I went to college. I went to g

489
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: W for three years and I went and I took

490
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: my last year there, my junior year before I climbed

491
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: over the wall there and went to end. While you

492
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: just studied acting, I took acting for non drama majors.

493
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: It was a gut course you take at GW. I

494
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: took acting for non drama majors, and everyone in the class.

495
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: This was one of the things that gave me the

496
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: impetus to be an actor because everyone in the class

497
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: was so horrible and I could, I could, I squeaked

498
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: by like I wasn't that bad. I was okay in

499
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: terms of performing. And the teacher said to me, I

500
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: want you to do a scene from Canada huntin roof

501
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: of Maggie Brick scene and your partner is Debbie Pergament,

502
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: who was the daughter and I don't want to call

503
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: her the heir to the Pergamin fortune, but let's just

504
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: say that for our comedy purposes, Debbie Pergamont. And literally

505
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: she was this lovely girl, adorable, gorgeous, really cute as

506
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: the day is long. But she was from you know,

507
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: like Rosley or somewhere. So when she would say she

508
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: was the only person who made Brick a bicyllabic where

509
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: she was like a rick rick, I am like a

510
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: cat's on a Hudson roof here, I am so upset.

511
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: Debbie Pergmant was who was my partner in a scene

512
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,239
Speaker 1: study class, and it was it was eye opening. So

513
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: where do we want to go now? Your your career now?

514
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: Um you you you're seeing another corridor for yourself? Is

515
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: something you want to explore something you have to offer

516
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,239
Speaker 1: or be honest with me. Are you just tired and

517
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: you just don't want to travel and slap and deal

518
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: with these idiots you want to know the truth is

519
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 1: I want to be more like you, really, because you

520
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: are a very happy like. I look at you and

521
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: I see to myself everything is always like, why aren't

522
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: you doing what other people do? What? Meaning? Like the

523
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: first thing people would say in the business, I mean

524
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: even outside the business, if they have some savvy about it,

525
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: what they say, did Jerry want to ramp up a

526
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: production company and just print TV shows? How many sitcoms

527
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,479
Speaker 1: could you have launched the mater of your name? Forget it?

528
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: Forget it. You can have your own channel, the Jerry Channel.

529
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: But I didn't take that face Why because I know

530
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: what it is. I know what it is. That's why

531
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: you can't pull that over on me. What what is?

532
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: I've sat in all the chairs, I've been in all

533
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: the rooms. I know what it is. Look Alec you

534
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: you've you've been there, right. Yes, you can't trick me

535
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: into thinking thinking what that's good? That's because don't. Most

536
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: of it is not creative work and not reaching an audience.

537
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: You want to be on the water. How do you

538
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: want to be on the water. You want to be

539
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: on a yacht. You want to be on a surfboard.

540
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: I want to be on a surfboard. I don't want

541
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: to deal with that's a yacht. And you just also

542
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: some people want a yacht to say, to see my yacht,

543
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: and you just didn't want people do you, And you

544
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: also didn't want to ultimately wind up putting your name

545
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: as is often the case, look at which if you're

546
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: the goose that lays the golden egg, you're the successful person,

547
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: and it all emanates you're the godhead if you will,

548
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: comedy wise, and you go launch all these other shows,

549
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: and all those other shows they aren't maybe as good,

550
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: of course they're not. And how much of your well,

551
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: why doesn't he want to do it? How much wou

552
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: would have to even how much for you to be

553
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: in there for one just to whatever it is? Yeah,

554
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Let me tell you why my TV

555
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: series in the nineties was so good. Bespides an inordinate

556
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: amount of just pure good fortune. In most TV series,

557
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: fifty percent of the time is spent working on the show.

558
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: Fifty percent of the time is spent dealing with personality,

559
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:58,239
Speaker 1: political and hierarchical issues of making something. We spent nine

560
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: of our time writing Me and Larry. The door was closed,

561
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: some somebody calls. We're not taking the call. We're gonna

562
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna make this seem funny. That's why the show

563
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: was good. I didn't want to go from that two.

564
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: Um you know some some H. G. Wells contraption machine

565
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, of of trying to control the weather. That's

566
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: what That's what these these deals are. That's what making

567
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: a movie is. What's a movie. It's this giant machine,

568
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: is this giant ship, and everybody gets on it and

569
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: they shove off and nobody knows where it's going. And

570
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: the captain is doing where's the captain? He's getting high

571
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: and and and and you know, and sleeping with the

572
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: first mate. Period. Yeah. So it's too much time and

573
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: energy spent on that is not the juice. The really

574
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: good stuff is a great line. So when you go

575
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: out as the stand up comedian, I can control that.

576
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: So when you go out on stage now, so for now,

577
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: for you, other than whatever other things you're involved with

578
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: writing or comedians and cars with coffee and so forth,

579
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: you go out on stage, you perform live. How many

580
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: shows you do? But on average? Would you say, I'm

581
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: not sure, it varies. But you're on the road how

582
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: many how many shows a year? Um? Maybe seventy so, so

583
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: so you do seventy five appearances a year? And is

584
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: it just very simply a case where you walk out there,

585
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: that exchange of energy between you and them. They want

586
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: what you've got, you want what they've got. You're at home,

587
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable, you're happy. It's a it's a it's

588
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 1: it's a very fulfilling, uh, unsolvable puzzle that is endlessly

589
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: um it just because it goes right to your soul?

590
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: Does every night need to be different if you can

591
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: make it? So? Do you try to make it different

592
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: that there's nothing I can do about that. It's gonna

593
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,239
Speaker 1: be different. It's gonna be different. Yeah. But if I

594
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 1: can get them right where I want them and and

595
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: get myself where I want myself, and the thing just explodes, well,

596
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's fun. That's life. People who perform live.

597
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. There was an article like an Esquire

598
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: magazine or somewhere, and they did an article about Wayne

599
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: Newton and they took it was about Vegas, and I

600
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: think it was about Wayne Newton, and I love this article.

601
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: And they weren't mean towards him, were diminishing him, and

602
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: they were saying how they thought it was uncanny how

603
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: the guy went to the show in Vegas with a

604
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: stop watch and Newton came out and he did the

605
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: same thing every show, the same exact thing, the same

606
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: exact beats. It was just it was just he just

607
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: cloned one show after that and he would come out,

608
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: but he would create the dynamic tension that this show

609
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: was different. And he come out on stage and people

610
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: will be screaming, and the women are throwing their panties

611
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: and they're throwing their hotel room keys had him his crowd,

612
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: and then he sit there and he'd say, um, um,

613
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta we gotta wrap this up. But

614
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, I love you people. I'm gonna something. I'm

615
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: gonna sing a song I never sing anymore. And the

616
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: song he just sang, like, you know, ninety minutes ago,

617
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sing a number for you guys, I never

618
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: sing anymore. I never would never break this one out anymore.

619
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: And he just re created the same, Uh, you know,

620
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: mock freshness of the whole thing, which many performers. I

621
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: assume they do that. Yeah, he used to say, tell

622
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: him locked the doors. They don't want me to go along.

623
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: But but this audience, I don't. I don't know. I'm

624
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: gonna do something the rules. Yeah, and of course you

625
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't write on the button. You performed in Vegas all

626
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: the time. So they throw the hotel room key. How

627
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: desperate is this entertainer, by the way, to just pick

628
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: up d and go I'm heading over there, over there,

629
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: which one of you? Oh you, I'm sorry, let me

630
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: give you your key back. I'm sorry. I don't want

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Speaker 1: that kid coming up. More from Jerry Seinfeld. He's got

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Speaker 1: so many years of stand up under his belt. When

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Speaker 1: he travels, as he does most weekends, every move is planned.

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Speaker 1: It is organized with military precision on it, not an

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Speaker 1: ounce on the day. It's three guys, three suits, three

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Speaker 1: garment bags. We're in, we're out, and we have a

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Speaker 1: great time. We worked very hard. It's zero dark thirty.

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Speaker 1: It is Yeah, you get the lot and go. That's thinker.

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Speaker 1: Put the dead bodies body. It's a beautiful thing. This

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Speaker 1: is what I was given from the TV series that

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Speaker 1: I could live like this now on my own terms.

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Speaker 1: That that's what we're looking for on my own term. Right, God,

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Speaker 1: I've that's such a foreign concept to me. Yes, of course,

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Speaker 1: the lack of an actor is anything but but right.

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Speaker 1: But this is where we're moving now with Alec God. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my god, on my own terms. More wisdom from Jerry

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Speaker 1: Seinfeld in a moment, This is Alec Baldwin. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our archive more in depth conversations with artists, policymakers,

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Speaker 1: and performers like Patti Lapone, Erica Young, and Debbie Reynolds.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, good morning, it's great to stay in Blake,

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Speaker 1: Good morning, good morning. What fun you see? I can't

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Speaker 1: sing to save my life if you put a gun

653
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Speaker 1: to my head and said saying, are you almost go

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Speaker 1: to here's the thing? Dot Org, this is Alec Baldwin,

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Speaker 1: and you're listening to Here's the thing. When Jerry Seinfeld

656
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Speaker 1: was ten years old, he started feverishly studying the techniques

657
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Speaker 1: of stand up comedians on TV, devouring it everything. That's

658
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Speaker 1: just like my daughter does. Now. My daughters totally got

659
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Speaker 1: whatever gene I had. She's got it. She can do

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Speaker 1: any voice, accent, takes lines. Her brother said to her,

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Speaker 1: this one she's wearing glass. She has glasses. Her brother said,

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Speaker 1: he said, are those are those real glasses? She looked

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Speaker 1: at him, she said, what do you think that's she's twelve,

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Speaker 1: she's already she's not ready to go play iron Rand

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Speaker 1: at the local library and the fake glasses. But um, okay,

666
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Speaker 1: so my house, Um, I assume my my childhood was

667
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Speaker 1: my relationship to my parents was you do what you

668
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Speaker 1: gotta do. I'll do what I gotta do, and I'm

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Speaker 1: just living here until I can figure something else out.

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Speaker 1: That was my house, and to me, that was great.

671
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Speaker 1: We've talked about this. You and I was very independent.

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Speaker 1: My father. They never hugged me, never told me he

673
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Speaker 1: loved me, never threw me a ball, No problem. I'm good.

674
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Speaker 1: I'm good. He's you're good. You're gonna do whatever some

675
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Speaker 1: time together, right? Who was the guy who blew the

676
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Speaker 1: horn in the in the when the tower and the

677
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Speaker 1: tower fell over? Remember at the beginning of each show,

678
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Speaker 1: I forget what was it? Was it Larry? It was

679
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Speaker 1: another No, Larry Storch was a garn he was an

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Speaker 1: There was another Larry Parmenter Captain Parmenter. It wasn't really funny.

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Speaker 1: But there was another guy, another Larry, who was at

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Speaker 1: the top of the time the tower would fall over

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Speaker 1: the beginning. He was had very kind of vanilla looking Yea,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't Larry Wilcox. He went on to

685
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Speaker 1: do chips. No, No, it was another Larry anyway, but yeah,

686
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Speaker 1: it was Abber Costello was. I really became obsessed with

687
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Speaker 1: them because of the precision word play they were. See

688
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Speaker 1: that's where they went. You know, there was there was

689
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Speaker 1: Laurel and Hardy and then Martin Lewis, but Aban and

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Speaker 1: Costello had this precision. I mean, who's on first is

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Speaker 1: a piece of It's like that that museum in Spain,

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Speaker 1: you know, the what you know, the no, the other

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Speaker 1: one that what's his name did? Yeah? Whose real name

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Speaker 1: is Goldberg by the way, is really yes it is.

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Speaker 1: He changed it in college, Frank Frank, Yeah, the what's

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Speaker 1: the name of that museum in northern Bill? Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 1: that's what Who's on first? This it's like, what a construction,

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Speaker 1: What a brilliant piece of construction. So and when I

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Speaker 1: heard things like that, um, I just would get very

700
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Speaker 1: excited that you could do things like that with words

701
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Speaker 1: and ideas and attitudes and and have laughs. You know,

702
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Speaker 1: I have laughed. I remember when I was a kid.

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Speaker 1: My dad would go to work and my brothers and

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Speaker 1: sisters would go to school, and my mom was lonely.

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Speaker 1: M I probably missed school like thirty or forty days

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Speaker 1: a year. You did, and it was a game. I

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Speaker 1: was totally full of ship. I said to my mom,

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Speaker 1: I don't feel good, right, Remember like, all right, you

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Speaker 1: get in there and go to the breakfast table and

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Speaker 1: pretend you're going to school until your brother and then

711
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Speaker 1: when he's gone, you can go back upstairs. And I

712
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Speaker 1: would go and lie on the couch and they would

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Speaker 1: show the same movie five days in a row. So

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Speaker 1: the housewives, who could only catch a piece of it,

715
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Speaker 1: here in a piece, so they shall inherit the wind.

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Speaker 1: And by Friday I was laying in bed. I missed

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Speaker 1: school for three days. And Friday Spencer Tracy would say,

718
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Speaker 1: this man wants to be afforded the same rights as

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Speaker 1: a sponge. He wishes to think my lip sync the

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Speaker 1: words I knew that I'm like the door. I became

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Speaker 1: a complete movie. So that's where it began. And then

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Speaker 1: when we got into the errand spelling years, I abandoned.

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Speaker 1: He never watched TV again. Charlie's names and now what

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Speaker 1: do you watch? Uh? Now come into your how It's

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Speaker 1: ten forty five at night, everyone's the wife, kids, babies

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Speaker 1: of sleep. I'm reading, you're reading. I'm reading on the internet.

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Speaker 1: I read, I read up, I read a book, or

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Speaker 1: I read the New York or to get me to sleep,

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Speaker 1: reading we get fall asleep. But when I watched TV, God,

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Speaker 1: when I NFL, I watched make Up Moments for NFL

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Speaker 1: sixty minutes. I watched MSNBC, I watch Uh, I've watched

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Speaker 1: snippets of these shows, you know, like Breaking Bad and

733
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Speaker 1: these contemporary you know, these jokes. I don't have time.

734
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Speaker 1: I don't have time. I don't I don't understand either.

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Speaker 1: I don't Where are they find in the time? Did

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Speaker 1: you download House to Cards? Now? Eight hours? It's the

737
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Speaker 1: first episode. Yeah, I can't do What are they doing?

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Speaker 1: What kind of how long are their days? Why was

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Speaker 1: we get that? I would always be flattered for a moment.

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Speaker 1: There was always a double beat there. When someone would

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Speaker 1: walk up to me with Lauren and they woke up,

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Speaker 1: they'd say, Lauren would say, you know Dave here, Dave

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Speaker 1: Swanson from you know, from Comcast, and I go high,

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Speaker 1: nice to meet you. And he turned to Lauren and go, god,

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Speaker 1: you guys, I gotta tell you my son broke his

746
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Speaker 1: leg skiing and he was in bed. He was in traction,

747
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: and we watched seasons two and three or thirty Rock

748
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Speaker 1: and I thought I'd smile, and then I thought, well,

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Speaker 1: that's how you get to watch season's two or three

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Speaker 1: or three. You gotta go and break your leg skiing.

751
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: You gotta go wrap yourself around a tree. Then you

752
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: can layd and binge view all this. I don't know

753
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Speaker 1: how to understand how people are fitting this into their day.

754
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: So there's not even one show that I really love, Madmen,

755
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: because that was my dream growing up on Long Island

756
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: was to get a Sampson I briefcase going along Island Railroad.

757
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: I was going to go in the city and I

758
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: was gonna work at a big ad agency and right

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00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: funny ads. That was my first dream. That was yeah,

760
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: because stand up comedy that I was seeing on the

761
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: Sullivan Show that was too far out. That was these

762
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: are some genius alien people. I could never be one

763
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: of those I'm not gonna get that, but maybe I

764
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Speaker 1: could be a copywriter or something in the ad game.

765
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Speaker 1: I love advertising. I like I like man I love Manhattan.

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Speaker 1: You men, growing up in Massapeico, Manhattan was was oz.

767
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: It was the Emerald City. Tell people when we were kids.

768
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: There was no Bergen County correspondent. The Martians could have

769
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Speaker 1: landed out in in in, in in Hempstead. No one

770
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Speaker 1: cared that the Martians did land in because they knew

771
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Speaker 1: there were no cameras out there. When you grew up

772
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Speaker 1: in our generation, it was like the mayor announced today

773
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Speaker 1: of the subway. Today, the cops shot on the I

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Speaker 1: n D the prepetator, this, the bank robbery, this, and

775
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Speaker 1: it was all Manhattan, Manhattan, the garden today the heavyweight shot.

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Speaker 1: Everything was Manhattan, not even the other outer boroughs. Right.

777
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Speaker 1: And when you lived where we lived, that was Saskatchewan.

778
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Speaker 1: To the meeting, remember Alan Burke did Jevers Allen Burke, Yes,

779
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: And they would come up and they had never correctly

780
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Speaker 1: estimated the average height of New York of the podium

781
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: was always way too high. Mr Bike, I just came

782
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Speaker 1: in from Mars where the Taxi and Limousine Commission there

783
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: they right back to from New York issue. What were

784
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: we saying before? I just lost my train of though.

785
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: When we were talking before, you said about or Madman. Now,

786
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: oh yeah, so Madman that is my fans. I said,

787
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 1: how when did you cross over and decide I could

788
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: do the other thing? Um? It was begin in college,

789
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: Queen's College. What did you study? There? A theater, communications, film,

790
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I was. I was circling the field,

791
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: you know, going how do I how could I? I

792
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: wonder if I could? You know, did you decide? And

793
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: then there was Andy Kaufman. That Andy Kaufman happened. There's

794
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: this guy in New York who goes up on stage

795
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: and he plays the bongos and starts weeping. He's crazy

796
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: to So we all ran in to see Andy Kaufman

797
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: at the improv. And as soon as I walked in

798
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: that room and I saw what was going on in there,

799
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: I gotta get in on this. Yeah, I want to

800
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: be one of these. And when you got up there

801
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: and finally through whatever apprenticeship you had, and when you

802
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: got up there and you did that, was here a

803
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: moment where like some guy comes up to you. I

804
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,479
Speaker 1: don't want me to be too Broadway, d Andy Rosen,

805
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: Yes there was. Did some guy welcome to and kid Call?

806
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: Yes there was? And you know who that guy was,

807
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: Jackie Mason. Jackie Mason alec I was doing comedy about

808
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:17,959
Speaker 1: three weeks, three weeks and I mean stumbling nobody three weeks.

809
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm nineteen years old, twenty years old of going up

810
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: on stage. But it wasn't even a stage. There was

811
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: a restaurant where they take a table out and they

812
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: would take one of the lights, the lamp, and they

813
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: would take the shade off it. That was the show.

814
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: He was in the audience people right, was one of

815
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: these cabaret things West forty four Ster was called the

816
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: Golden Lion Pub. He crooks his finger and he says,

817
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Speaker 1: come over here. He takes me over to the bar.

818
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: He says, you have it. He says you are going

819
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: to be so big. He says, it makes me sick

820
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: to even think of it, how successful you're gonna be.

821
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: And I was just starting wow. And that, I mean,

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00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: that was that was it, because he was, like, you know,

823
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Speaker 1: he was a very big comedian, still one of my favorites,

824
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: a great comedian. But to have a guy like that

825
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: come up to you as a kid I had so

826
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: that that's still you know when I talked to you

827
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Speaker 1: about I went in the improv and I saw all

828
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: these guys and I thought, I want to be one

829
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: of these guys. That's still how I feel now. Was

830
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: there a moment when for me one of the real

831
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: pure joys of this business are the people I've gotten

832
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: to me and I don't want to, you know, go

833
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: on and on one But were there people who came

834
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: to you that were like these godlike figures to you?

835
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: Were you just admired them from your world? They came

836
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: up to you and said, hey, man, they wait to

837
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: you said it could be he could be Carson across

838
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: the room. Well, Jack Rollins, who I looked up because

839
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: I saw your movie, which I loved, Blue Jasmine. You're

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Speaker 1: great and it was great. And I see, like Jack

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Speaker 1: Rollins in the credit, like I look, he's still alive.

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Speaker 1: He's His daughter was a waitress at a comedy club

843
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Speaker 1: on the Upper Side, and she brought him in to

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Speaker 1: see me and Larry Miller and Jimmy Broken and he

845
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Speaker 1: watched the three of us, and then he sat and

846
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Speaker 1: talked with us afterwards, and he was very encouraging, very flattering.

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Speaker 1: That was really big because we were in about a

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Speaker 1: year at that point, we didn't know. There was no

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Speaker 1: business to get into. Even if we could do this,

850
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Speaker 1: didn't even exist. There was no place to work as

851
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Speaker 1: a stand up comic in seven didn't even exist. It

852
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Speaker 1: happened in the eighties. Once they were all these guys around.

853
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Speaker 1: Then these clubs started opening around the country. What about

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Speaker 1: someone else, someone beyond year old man have exist. In

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Speaker 1: the credits of a Woody Allen movie, who was some

856
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Speaker 1: iconic stand up figure? I saw Richard Pryor And in

857
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Speaker 1: those days, um he would come into the clubs and

858
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Speaker 1: we would say, George Carlin. No, we never said anything

859
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Speaker 1: to me, but just to meet those people. Was there

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Speaker 1: one at some point who other than Mason said you've

861
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Speaker 1: got it? No, No, if you don't need that, any

862
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: any self respecting professional comedian, You don't need that. You

863
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: don't need anyone or anything. You are built for brutality.

864
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Speaker 1: You have this relationship with the audience that is private

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Speaker 1: between you and them. You critics want to write, people

866
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Speaker 1: want to talk. We we have our own thing that nobody,

867
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 1: nobody can break that. Once you build that, it can't

868
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Speaker 1: be broken by outside forces. This is the difference between

869
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Speaker 1: being a comedian that has his own thing and everybody

870
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 1: else in the entertainment field who needs to cooperate to survive.

871
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Speaker 1: The comedian that you know, what do I care what

872
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Speaker 1: somebody writes about my show? What do I care? So

873
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Speaker 1: even doing the series, and even knowing I had these

874
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: other avenues, I could pursue that that's so pure and

875
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: so perfect and so good. It's not easy. It is

876
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: a rigorous life to maintain that. You know, I don't.

877
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: I don't hang out on stage. You've seen the show.

878
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Speaker 1: I don't hang out. I'm I'm, I'm up here to work.

879
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work for you because I respect this relationship

880
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 1: and I want to keep it. I want to keep

881
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: it because once you have that, you can do what

882
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: you want. Jerry Seinfeld has meditated for over four decades

883
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: and it shows. He says, it makes stress float away.

884
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 1: I wanted to find out more about Jerry and meditation,

885
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Speaker 1: so I called him transcendental meditation. That's what I do.

886
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: And how long have you been doing that? Since? Um

887
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,479
Speaker 1: seventy two? So so when did that come into your life?

888
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: You like saw a billboard when you were at the

889
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Speaker 1: railway station at a Swego State University where I was rolled.

890
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: Because I couldn't take senior year anymore. So I left

891
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Speaker 1: high school six months early and got into college and

892
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Speaker 1: left in the middle of senior year. Now, I know

893
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Speaker 1: you didn't do that because you were handsome and the

894
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Speaker 1: girls were hanging off of you, and senior year was

895
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: fantastic for you. That's what I know. It was a

896
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: vending machine of women. Know well, it wasn't like that

897
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: for me, buddy boy, all right. So I thought I

898
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Speaker 1: got to get out of here and start a new

899
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Speaker 1: life with people that don't know me. So I went

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Speaker 1: to Oswego and while I was there, and I remember,

901
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Speaker 1: this is a still in the flora and fauna of

902
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Speaker 1: sixties experimentalism, so transiental meditation. Somebody told me about it.

903
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: I don't remember who, and I thought, well, let me

904
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: see what that's about. And I went to the thing

905
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Speaker 1: and I learned the technique. It cleared up my acne immediately.

906
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Speaker 1: I had this great energy and focus and h I've

907
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Speaker 1: been doing it the us of my life. So you

908
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: sound when you say you learn the technique and clear

909
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: up your acne and your energy and focus It sounds

910
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: like you ultimately had the sex that had been evading

911
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: you up till that before you went to sweer. What

912
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: was it? Correct? So the team was really a pathway

913
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Speaker 1: to too sex? Correct? How can I do it? Like? What? Like?

914
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: Where do you do it? You can? You do it anywhere? Anywhere?

915
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: You do it anywhere. I'm gonna get you doing it now.

916
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: I want I want more energy, more focused on my

917
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: acting to clear up. Well, you don't need you can't

918
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: have more energy. You can't even dispose of the energy

919
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: that you have. It's true, but it's toxic energy. It's

920
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: more like a chernobyl than it is. Kind of different.

921
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: This is a nice energy, really nice. Here's how I'll

922
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: describe it to you. You know how three times a

923
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: year you wake up and you go, what that was

924
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: a really good sleep? Yes? Imagine feeling like that every day.

925
00:52:53,320 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: That's what it is. Meditation. I gotta try that. To

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Speaker 1: download more of my here's the thing interviews. Take a

927
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Speaker 1: listen to our archive where you can hear conversations with

928
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Speaker 1: artists and musicians like Herb Albert. Albert hasn't spent forty

929
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: years meditating, but like Jerry Seinfeld, he's found the zen

930
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Speaker 1: in his art. There's something about being an artist, being

931
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Speaker 1: a musician, being a paint of being a sculpture. When

932
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Speaker 1: you're doing it, you're in the exact moment of your life,

933
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Speaker 1: and that's rare. You know. When you're not in that mode,

934
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: you're you're thinking about yesterday or tomorrow or some other

935
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: house a ride that really doesn't make any sense. But

936
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Speaker 1: when you're doing it, man, it just feels so right

937
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: on the moment. I feel that we would have on

938
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Speaker 1: my boat. Well, yeah, cool. I don't paint, and I

939
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: don't I wish I could paint. I should try it.

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Speaker 1: I mean when I started painting, I painted like a monkey.

941
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: You know. I was just I squeezed some paint on

942
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Speaker 1: a canvas and moved it around with a kid. Yeah,

943
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: you're no training, no training. I didn't know what I

944
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Speaker 1: was doing. But I think there's an advantage to that.

945
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Speaker 1: I think when you're an amateur and you're just pooling around,

946
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Speaker 1: you have infinite possibilities. Take a listen and here's the

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Speaker 1: Thing dot Org. This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening

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Speaker 1: to Here's the Thing. Produced by Emily Botine and Kathy

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Speaker 1: Russo with Chris Bannon, Jim Briggs, Ed Herbsman, Melanie Hoops,

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