WEBVTT - 48 Hours After

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<v Speaker 1>On Monday, November twenty fifth, nineteen sixty three, President Kennedy

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<v Speaker 1>was laid to rest in Arlington National Cemetery at the

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<v Speaker 1>First Lady's request. The ceremony followed the same protocols for

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<v Speaker 1>Abraham Lincoln's funeral nearly one hundred years earlier. The flag

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<v Speaker 1>drape casket was drawn by six gray horses. It was

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<v Speaker 1>followed by one riderless black horse. Crowds line Pennsylvania Avenue

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<v Speaker 1>as the procession passed, Only the sounds of the drums

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<v Speaker 1>and the clacking of horses hoofs on the pavement could

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<v Speaker 1>be heard. I'll never forget the rhythm bum bum bum

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<v Speaker 1>bump up bup bum bum bum bup up up bum

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<v Speaker 1>bum bum bump bup, bup bum bum bum bum. Missus Kennedy,

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<v Speaker 1>surrounded by family, friends, official dignitaries, and a military escort,

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<v Speaker 1>walked to Saint Matthew's Cathedral for the service. Heads of

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<v Speaker 1>state and representatives from more than one hundred countries attended

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<v Speaker 1>the funeral. Millions of people around the world tuned in

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<v Speaker 1>to watch on television. After the service, the president's remains

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<v Speaker 1>were laid to rest at Arlington Memorial Cemetery, where Missus

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy lit an eternal flame. Two hundred and fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>people waited up to ten hours in freezing temperatures to

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<v Speaker 1>pay their respects. The nation was in mourning at virtually

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, Lee Harvey Oswald, who had been murdered

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four hours earlier on live television by nightclub owner

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Ruby, was also being put to rest. Along with

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald's remains, secrets were buried.

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<v Speaker 2>This is who killed JFK. Sixty years later? What can

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<v Speaker 2>we uncover about the greatest murder mystery in American history?

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<v Speaker 2>And why does it still matter today? I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 2>Solidad O'Brien.

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<v Speaker 1>We've shown evidence that indicates that at the time of

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<v Speaker 1>the shooting, Oswald was not on the sixth floor of

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<v Speaker 1>the Texas school Book Depository building. He seemed to know

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<v Speaker 1>that he was part of something, but likely didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what it was. But when he heard that the

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<v Speaker 1>president had been shot, he realized at that point that

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<v Speaker 1>he was in danger. He fled the scene, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was ultimately arrested at the Texas Movie Theater. At the

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas police station, he claimed his innocence when he spoke

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<v Speaker 1>this phrase, I'm just a Patsy. Within forty eight hours

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<v Speaker 1>of his arrest, Jack Ruby saw to it that Lee

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey Oswald would never speak again. A year later, the

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<v Speaker 1>Warren Commission report was released to the public. It set

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<v Speaker 1>out with goal of pinning it all on Oswald, and

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<v Speaker 1>it did. They wanted him to look like a lone gunman.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what they had to say about Jack Ruby.

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<v Speaker 2>The Warren Commission report says, quote, no direct or indirect

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<v Speaker 2>relationship between Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby has been

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<v Speaker 2>discovered by the Commission, nor has it been able to

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<v Speaker 2>find any credible evidence that either knew the other. The

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<v Speaker 2>Commission has found no evidence that Jack Ruby acted with

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<v Speaker 2>any other person in the killing of Lee Harvey Oswald.

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<v Speaker 1>And they took Ruby at his word when he told

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<v Speaker 1>them that he had killed Oswald out of sympathy for Jackie.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to spare her the pain of having to

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<v Speaker 1>return to Dallas for a trial.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems just a bit absurd as an excuse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes it does, but it wasn't all that Jack Ruby

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<v Speaker 1>had to say. He said something to his jailer after

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<v Speaker 1>being arrested for killing Oswald, and it speaks to some

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<v Speaker 1>something much much bigger. Solo, Dad, Could you read this?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure quote? Now they're going to find out about Cuba,

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<v Speaker 2>the guns, New Orleans and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Ruby was concerned that his connection to the CIA funded

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<v Speaker 1>anti castro operations would be uncovered.

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<v Speaker 2>How exactly is a guy like Jack Ruby connected to

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening in Cuba and New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 1>Well to understand that, we need to understand who exactly

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Ruby was. Jack Ruby was born in Chicago. He

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<v Speaker 1>was born Jacob Leon Rubinstein. At eleven, he was arrested

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<v Speaker 1>for truancy. He spent time in foster homes. He dropped

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<v Speaker 1>out of school and eventually joined the Teamsters Union. After

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<v Speaker 1>serving in World War Two, he moved to Dallas. He

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<v Speaker 1>changed his name to Jack Ruby, and he started managing

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<v Speaker 1>nightclubs and strip joints around town.

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<v Speaker 3>There's evidence he also became involved in narcotics, prostitution, and

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<v Speaker 3>obviously these are all businesses that are connected to the mob.

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<v Speaker 1>The Dallas County Sheriff, Steve Guthrie told the FBI that

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<v Speaker 1>he believed quote Ruby operated some prostitution activities and other

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<v Speaker 1>vices in his club. He was cozy with the Dallas police.

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<v Speaker 1>Officers would come into his club and he'd give them

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<v Speaker 1>free booze, and he'd make sure that the women paid

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<v Speaker 1>proper attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Hum quite the host.

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<v Speaker 1>Along with running his clubs, Ruby became involved in running

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<v Speaker 1>guns for the mob.

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<v Speaker 2>A friend of Ruby's named James E. Baird spoke to

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<v Speaker 2>the Dallas Morning News and testified to the FBI saying

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<v Speaker 2>that Jack Ruby quote stored guns and ammunition in a

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<v Speaker 2>two story house between the waterfront and the railroad tracks

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<v Speaker 2>in Kema, Texas. Baird personally saw Ruby and his associates

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<v Speaker 2>load quote many boxes of new guns, including automatic rifles

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<v Speaker 2>and handguns. Where exactly was he running these guns too?

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<v Speaker 1>Cuba. In September nineteen fifty nine, Ruby traveled to Havana

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<v Speaker 1>as a guest of a close friend named Louis J. Mcwilly.

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<v Speaker 1>Before Castro took over, Florida, mob boss Santos Traficanti chose

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<v Speaker 1>mcwilly to run his casino in Havana, and after Castro

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<v Speaker 1>came to power, mcwilly was arrested and thrown out of

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<v Speaker 1>the country. Back in the US, mcwilly was hired by Meyer, Lanski,

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<v Speaker 1>and Sam Giancana to run their casinos in Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 3>Five days before Kennedy was gunned down in Dallas. Ruby

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<v Speaker 3>was seen at the Thunderbird in Vegas with mcwilly.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, people often get lost in the semantics of

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not Ruby was a mobster. Well, he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a made man himself, but he had clear connections to

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<v Speaker 1>the mob It's the world he grew up in and

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<v Speaker 1>the world he operated from in Dallas. They say you

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<v Speaker 1>can tell a lot about a person by the company

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<v Speaker 1>they keep. The House Select Committee looked at Ruby's phone

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<v Speaker 1>records in the days leading up to November twenty second,

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<v Speaker 1>and they discovered that he had made numerous phone calls

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<v Speaker 1>to known mobsters.

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<v Speaker 3>Their report showed that weeks prior to the assassination, Ruby

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<v Speaker 3>made approximately one hundred and twenty calls to mobsters associated

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<v Speaker 3>with Sam g and Kanna and Carlos Marcello.

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<v Speaker 2>So how does this relate back to Oswald.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, just like we saw an uptick in activity around

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald leading up to the assassination, the same was true

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<v Speaker 1>of Ruby. Ruby and Oswald operated in the same sphere.

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<v Speaker 1>So it should come as no surprise when I tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that, contrary to the Warrant Commission's conclusion that there

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<v Speaker 1>was no direct or indirect relationship between Lee Harvey Oswald

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<v Speaker 1>and Jack Ruby. There is plenty of evidence that the

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<v Speaker 1>two some of them knew each other. How do we

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<v Speaker 1>know that, Well, there are eyewitnesses who talked on the

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<v Speaker 1>record about Ruby and Oswald's relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>Dorothy Markham, a woman who dated Ruby, told the FBI

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<v Speaker 3>that Oswald worked for Ruby during June and July. Clyde

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<v Speaker 3>Malcolm Limbaugh, who worked for Ruby for three years, said

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<v Speaker 3>he saw Oswald in Ruby's office on several occasions. Helen K. Smith,

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<v Speaker 3>who worked at the Carousel Club, told the Dallas Police

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<v Speaker 3>that she saw Ruby and Oswald together on many occasions.

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<v Speaker 3>And Robert Roy, Ruby's auto mechanic, said that Oswald used

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<v Speaker 3>to drop off Ruby's car for repairs.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's Sharry Angel, one of the most popular

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<v Speaker 1>strippers at Ruby's club. Dick interviewed her years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>I heard that you remember Oswald being in the club

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<v Speaker 3>as well. Yeah, what do you remember about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Nancy carrying twist been hitting ruin town?

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<v Speaker 4>Got my husband of communist, called your husband a common

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<v Speaker 4>for an audience.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you miss that. She said that she remembers

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald doing the twist with a woman named Kathy k

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<v Speaker 1>and her husband hitting him because Oswald called him a communist.

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<v Speaker 3>So Oswald and Ruby definitely knew each other in the

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<v Speaker 3>club before it happened.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And none of those witnesses testified to the Warren Commission.

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<v Speaker 1>None. And it wasn't until seven months after he killed

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald that Ruby was even interviewed by the Commission. And

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<v Speaker 1>what he said and didn't get to say will shock you.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did the Warren Commission wait so long to interview

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Ruby? How was he not at the top of

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<v Speaker 2>the list?

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<v Speaker 1>You tell me? Before being interviewed by the Commission, Ruby

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<v Speaker 1>insisted on taking a lie detector test.

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<v Speaker 2>In the Warren Commission report, it says that quote as

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<v Speaker 2>early as December of nineteen sixty three, Jack Ruby expressed

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<v Speaker 2>his desire to be examined with a polygraph, truth serum

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<v Speaker 2>or any other scientific device which would test his veracity.

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<v Speaker 2>And did they give him one?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, not at first. Eventually they did.

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<v Speaker 2>What did it show?

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<v Speaker 1>The Warren Commission said that they found it inconclusive.

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<v Speaker 2>What does inconclusive mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they said that they couldn't verify the answers as

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<v Speaker 1>true or false based on concerns they had over Ruby's

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<v Speaker 1>mental state it was an excuse that they used for

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<v Speaker 1>other witnesses that didn't perfectly fit into the predetermined narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>Ruby was frustrated, and when the war report came out,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what he said to the press.

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<v Speaker 2>Ruby said, quote, the Warren Report never gave me the

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<v Speaker 2>true authentity when I requested a polygraph test. He then

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<v Speaker 2>goes on to say, why they held back the answers

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<v Speaker 2>the results, whether they're true or false, that's for you

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<v Speaker 2>to find out. That's for you to find out. That's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty ominous.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he wanted to tell the truth about why

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<v Speaker 1>he killed Oswald, but he knew that his life would

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<v Speaker 1>be in danger if he did so. Ruby told the

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<v Speaker 1>Warren Commission that if they got him out of Dallas,

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<v Speaker 1>he would tell them everything he knew.

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<v Speaker 2>He would tell them everything. Kind of can't get more

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<v Speaker 2>loaded than that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, you can't. And he said, quote, gentlemen, unless

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<v Speaker 1>you take me to Washington, you can't get a fair

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<v Speaker 1>shake out of me. If you want to hear any

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<v Speaker 1>further testimony out of me, you'll have to get me

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<v Speaker 1>to Washington soon. I want to tell the truth, and

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<v Speaker 1>I can't tell it here. This isn't the place for

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<v Speaker 1>me to tell you what I want to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Did they take him to DC?

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<v Speaker 1>He never left Dallas.

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<v Speaker 3>After he was denied his trip to Washington. Ruby said quote,

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<v Speaker 3>I may not live tomorrow to give any further testimony.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to get out to the public, and I

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<v Speaker 3>can't say it here.

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<v Speaker 2>Why couldn't he speak in Dallas? Why do you think

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted to move so badly?

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<v Speaker 1>He was terrified for his life, He said, quote, I

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, gentlemen, my whole family is in jeopardy. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to end up like George de Mornshield, who

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<v Speaker 1>mysteriously died the day he was subpoenaed to testify to

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<v Speaker 1>the House Select Committee, or Johnny Roselli, who was found

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<v Speaker 1>chopped up and stuffed in an oil drum right before

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<v Speaker 1>he was supposed to appear before the committee, or Richard K. Snagel,

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<v Speaker 1>who died the day he received a subpoena to testify

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<v Speaker 1>to the Assassination Record's Review Board.

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<v Speaker 3>Here is how Robert Blakey, head of the House Select

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<v Speaker 3>Committee on Assassinations, interpreted Ruby's remarks.

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<v Speaker 2>Blakey said, quote, Ruby, I was trying to tell the

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<v Speaker 2>truth about the conspiracy he knew existed, but he feared

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<v Speaker 2>for his life. You'll remember that Robert Blakey had a

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<v Speaker 2>background in targeting organized crime.

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<v Speaker 4>No Mah kills witnesses who are potential people who can

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<v Speaker 4>tell the true story. And that's the reason I think

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<v Speaker 4>Jack Ruby shortly Harvey Osweoll.

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<v Speaker 1>From the time Kennedy was shot and killed until he

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<v Speaker 1>himself was shot and killed, Oswald was in custody for

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<v Speaker 1>just under forty eight hours. Here's a transcript from a

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<v Speaker 1>press conference during that period. Sola ed, could you read.

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<v Speaker 2>This sure, reporter, did you kill the President Oswald? No, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't. People keep asking me that, reporter, did you

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<v Speaker 2>shoot the President Oswald? I work in that building? Reporter?

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<v Speaker 2>Were you in the building at the time? Oswald? Naturally

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<v Speaker 2>if I work in that building, yes, sir, reporter, did

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<v Speaker 2>you shoot the President Oswald?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 2>They are taking me in because of the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>I lived in the Soviet Union. I'm just a patsy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's remarkable that he's just out there fending for himself. Usually,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in any press conference with a suspected criminal,

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<v Speaker 2>their lawyer would speak for them.

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<v Speaker 3>Oswald was never granted a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he get to make any phone calls?

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<v Speaker 1>He called Marina at Ruth Paynes, and there's evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>he made one other call and it's significant. He placed

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<v Speaker 1>a call to a military counter intelligence officer in North

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina named John Hurt. And how do we know that

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<v Speaker 1>because there's a receipt showing that the operator placed the call.

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<v Speaker 1>The switchboard operators who placed long distance calls for people

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<v Speaker 1>inside the jail were required to fill out a slip.

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<v Speaker 1>A researcher found the slip with the date eleven twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three sixty three and John Hurt's name and telephone number.

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<v Speaker 1>The woman working the switchboard evening said that the call

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<v Speaker 1>was never answered and that the two men in suits

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<v Speaker 1>that were in the room likely made sure that the

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<v Speaker 1>call never went through.

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<v Speaker 3>Researchers found John Hurd decades later to ask him about

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<v Speaker 3>the call. He claimed he never knew Oswald and was

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<v Speaker 3>completely unaware that Oswald had tried to call him, But

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<v Speaker 3>he also didn't share the fact that he was military counterintelligence.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think he was hoping to accomplish with

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<v Speaker 2>the call? If he actually got Hurt on the line,

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<v Speaker 2>it was likely, and.

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<v Speaker 3>This process has been confirmed by XCIA agents, that Oswald

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<v Speaker 3>was trying to reach a cutout a go between to

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<v Speaker 3>get a message to his case officer. He was going

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<v Speaker 3>through a process designed for people on intelligence missions to

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<v Speaker 3>get help, but since the call was never put through,

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<v Speaker 3>Oswald was hung out to dry.

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<v Speaker 1>In another press conference at the police station, a reporter

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<v Speaker 1>asks did you kill the president? And Oswald says, quote, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I have not been charged with that. In fact, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>has said that to me yet. The reporter then tells Oswald,

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<v Speaker 1>you have been charged, and Oswald is absolutely stunned.

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<v Speaker 2>In the televised report of this moment, you can really

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<v Speaker 2>see his shock reaction to this in real time.

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<v Speaker 1>He's realizing the implications of it all, that this horrific

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<v Speaker 1>crime is going to be pinned on him. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't just say that he was innocent. He said

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<v Speaker 1>he was a patsy. He knew that the men responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for this had used him. That's why from the moment

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald is brought to the police station, Jack Ruby starts

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<v Speaker 1>to stalk him. Ruby's movements just before he kills Oswald

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<v Speaker 1>show that this was not a spontaneous emotional decision. Ruby

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<v Speaker 1>was part of something much bigger. Jack Ruby showed up

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<v Speaker 1>at the police station at least twice before he found

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity on his third visit to take Oswald out.

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<v Speaker 1>He was there during a press conference.

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<v Speaker 3>At DA Henry Wade's press conference when Wade mistakenly identified

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<v Speaker 3>Oswald as a member of the anti Castro Free Cuba Committee.

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<v Speaker 3>Ruby corrected the DA saying, quote, no, sir, mister District Attorney,

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<v Speaker 3>Oswald was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee.

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<v Speaker 1>None of the press, or police or FBI there caught

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<v Speaker 1>the DA's mistake, but nightclub owner Jack Ruby did. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just so bizarre. First of all, why is a nightclub

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<v Speaker 1>owner at this press conference to begin with? And second,

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<v Speaker 1>how does he know the difference between the Free Cuba

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<v Speaker 1>and the Fair Play for Cuba Committee?

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<v Speaker 2>So what exactly is the implication there.

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<v Speaker 3>That Ruby knew all about Oswald.

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<v Speaker 1>We spoke with a man named John Currington about the

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<v Speaker 1>time leading up to Oswald's death. Now, John Currington, for

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<v Speaker 1>years was the right hand man for oil Baron hl Hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>Hunt was one of the richest men in America, with

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<v Speaker 1>influence at the highest levels of government and the mafia.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Here is John Carrington talking about a call he

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<v Speaker 1>received on Saturday, November twenty third from hl Hunt.

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<v Speaker 5>He called me about four or five Clark and asked

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<v Speaker 5>me to go down to the police station and check

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<v Speaker 5>on what security, if any, there was around Lee Harvey

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<v Speaker 5>orwoll And he said, whenever you find out what I

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<v Speaker 5>won't know about security, come to the house.

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<v Speaker 1>So what did you find?

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<v Speaker 5>I go down to police station and I had no

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<v Speaker 5>trouble walking in walking out. I did have a briefcase

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<v Speaker 5>with me. Nobody looked in that brafcase and I was

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<v Speaker 5>satisfied that there was no security or whatsoever surrounding Lee

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<v Speaker 5>Harvey ol Waldt.

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<v Speaker 1>And why did mister Hunt ask you to check out

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<v Speaker 1>the security situation?

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<v Speaker 5>He wroted Lee Harvey ol wall of silence without having

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<v Speaker 5>any kind of court here or any something else.

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<v Speaker 1>They knew that they could easily get to oswald They

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<v Speaker 1>just needed the right guy to handle the job, and

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<v Speaker 1>Hunt knew just who to turn to.

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<v Speaker 5>I went after mister Holt's house and he said, I

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<v Speaker 5>want to get a hold of Joe Savello and have

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<v Speaker 5>him here as early as they can Sunday morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph Ello was the head of the mob in Dallas.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the morning of the twenty fourth, two days after

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<v Speaker 1>the assassination at.

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<v Speaker 3>Ten thirty five, Ira Walker, a television technician, is inside

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<v Speaker 3>the station's news van outside the city hall. Jack Ruby

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<v Speaker 3>comes up to the window and asks has he been

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<v Speaker 3>brought down yet?

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<v Speaker 1>The he is Lee Harvey Oswald. Ruby knows that Oswald

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be moved that day, and he hangs

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<v Speaker 1>around to make sure that he is there when it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>At eleven seventeen, Ruby walks up an alley, passes through

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<v Speaker 1>the crowd, and enters the ramp into the police station.

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<v Speaker 1>Within minutes, he's positioned directly in front of Oswald and

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<v Speaker 1>then he shoots Oswald.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's David Talbot again.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a mafia eron boy. That's why he killed Oswald.

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<v Speaker 3>In the mafia was the Aeron boys for the CIA.

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<v Speaker 3>They used the mafia to do their dirty work.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's the head of the House Select Committee, Robert Blakey.

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<v Speaker 4>Jack Ruby was the perfect guy to do it. Mob connected,

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<v Speaker 4>but loosely.

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<v Speaker 1>Ruby gave an interview in March of nineteen sixty five,

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<v Speaker 1>a year after his conviction.

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<v Speaker 2>In the interview, Ruby said, quote, everything pertaining to what's

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<v Speaker 2>happening has never come to the surface. The world will

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<v Speaker 2>never know the true facts of what occurred my motives.

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<v Speaker 2>The people who had so much to gain and had

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<v Speaker 2>such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in will never let the true facts come above

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<v Speaker 2>board to the world.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen sixty six, Jack Ruby died in prison, three

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<v Speaker 1>years after the assassination of President Kennedy. He died of

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<v Speaker 1>a pulmonary embolism caused by complications from a cancer that

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<v Speaker 1>came on suddenly and aggressively. In the next episode, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>lay out in detail how we think the assassination took place.

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<v Speaker 1>We will name the shooters and give you their locations.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we finished this episode, we need to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about something that for the most part, has been ignored,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the impact that Kennedy's death had on the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the world.

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<v Speaker 3>On the day of the assassination, Fidel Castro was lunch

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<v Speaker 3>with a French reporter named Jean Danielle. Danielle reported that

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<v Speaker 3>when Castro got word that the president had been shot,

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<v Speaker 3>he said, sunamala noisia, this is bad news. He said

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<v Speaker 3>it three times. Then when he got confirmation that Kennedy

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<v Speaker 3>had died, he said, quote, everything is going to change. Then,

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<v Speaker 3>as he processed the situation, Castro said, quote, now they

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<v Speaker 3>will have to find the assassin quickly, but very quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>Otherwise you watch and see, I know them. They will

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<v Speaker 3>try to put the blame on us for this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is exactly what they did.

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<v Speaker 2>Reports that were declassified in twenty seventeen show that the

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<v Speaker 2>KGB held a series of emergency meetings when they heard

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<v Speaker 2>the news. Sergei Khrushchev, Nikita's son wrote in a memoir

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<v Speaker 2>about his father that when his father heard the news,

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<v Speaker 2>he quote fell to his knees and sobbed. The Soviet

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<v Speaker 2>parties knew newspaper Pravda ran a biography depicting Kennedy as

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<v Speaker 2>a champion of peace.

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<v Speaker 1>It's completely counterintuitive to think that the Soviets or the

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<v Speaker 1>Cubans had anything to do with this. Kennedy was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to forge a path towards peace with them. He was

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<v Speaker 1>their great hope.

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<v Speaker 2>Then who did these foreigners think?

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<v Speaker 4>Did it?

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that the answer to your question can be

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<v Speaker 1>provided by French President Charles de gaull.

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<v Speaker 3>Degall shared his thoughts about the assassination with his Information

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<v Speaker 3>Minister Roger Parafiet, who then shared these thoughts in.

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<v Speaker 2>His memoir Degall says, quote what happened to Kennedy is

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<v Speaker 2>what nearly happened to me. The security forces were in

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<v Speaker 2>cahoots with extremists. Then Paraft asked a Gaull, do you

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<v Speaker 2>think Oswald was affront Everything leads me to believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>De Gaull replied, they got their hands on this communist

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<v Speaker 2>who wasn't one while still being one. He had a

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<v Speaker 2>subpar intellect and was an exalted fanatic, just the man

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<v Speaker 2>they needed, the perfect one to be accused. The guy

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<v Speaker 2>ran away because he probably became suspicious. They wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>kill him on the spot before he could be grabbed

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<v Speaker 2>by the judicial system. Degall continued, security forces all over

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<v Speaker 2>the world are the same when they do this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of dirty work. As soon as they succeed in wiping

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<v Speaker 2>out the false assassin, they declare that the justice system

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<v Speaker 2>no longer need be concerned, that no further public action

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<v Speaker 2>was needed now that the guilty perpetrator was dead. Better

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<v Speaker 2>to assassinate an innocent man than to let a civil

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<v Speaker 2>war break out. Better an injustice than disorder. Degall said,

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<v Speaker 2>America is in danger of upheavals, but you'll see all

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<v Speaker 2>of them together, will observe the law of silence. They

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<v Speaker 2>will close ranks. They'll do everything to stifle any scandal,

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<v Speaker 2>in order to not lose face in front of the

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<v Speaker 2>whole world, in order to not risk unleashing riots in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, in order to preserve the Union, and

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<v Speaker 2>to avoid a new civil war, in order to not

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<v Speaker 2>ask themselves questions they don't want to know, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to find out. They won't allow themselves to find out.

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<v Speaker 1>De gall was right on just about all of it

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<v Speaker 1>except one thing. I believe Americans do want to find out.

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<v Speaker 1>We do want to know what happened, and on the

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<v Speaker 1>next episode we're going to tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>Next episode, Rob and Dick finally answer the question who

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<v Speaker 2>killed JFK. I see the hallmarks or the markers of

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<v Speaker 2>this potentially being a CIA operation that rogues would have conducted.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the top secret facility. He was there all

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<v Speaker 1>during that fateful weekend. RVO was a damn thing in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. But a dicoy.

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<v Speaker 2>Who Killed JFK? Is hosted by Rob Reiner and me

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<v Speaker 2>Solidad O'Brien and our executive producers are Rob Reiner, Michelle Reiner,

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<v Speaker 2>Matt George Jason English, David Hoffman and Me Solidad O'Brien.

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<v Speaker 2>Our writer is David Hoffman, with research by Dick Russell.

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