1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, popping back up with a wee warning before 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: we get into the podcast. This is a story about 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: a young woman called Joy Morgan and her untimely death. 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: It has moments of light and plenty of love, but 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: the podcast contains darker themes too. This episode contains themes 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: of death and murder that some listeners might find distressing. 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: Please listen with care for the victims and for yourself. 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: It's summer twenty eighteen and James is at Church Israel 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: United in Christ in Ilford, East London. He's witnessing a 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: man being stood up in front of the body, an 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: internal practice which serves to publicly humiliate and bereate members 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: of the congregation, a process designed to keep the congregation 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: in check. The man in the spotlight is a soldier 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: called Chauffeur L Israel. This is the second time that 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: James has seen chaufe L being stood up. The first 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: time it happened back in twenty sixteen. He was demoted 17 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: after he became physically violent and threatening towards someone. He 18 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: lost his status, his power. He was disgraced, but he 19 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: was allowed to remain in the church. 20 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: Remember this guy was violent more or less with somebody. 21 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: Yet he didn't get kicked out. 22 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: So why is Chauffe being stood up for a second 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: time violent conduct again, this time toward an officer, a 24 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: member of higher rank in the church. 25 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: That's enough to have you kicked out. 26 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: Surely this time he's blown it. Surely he can't come 27 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: back from this. But according to James, just a few 28 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: weeks later, Chauffe El Israel is back in IOC. 29 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: I was there when he got reinstated. There was a 30 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: lot of mixed signals coming from them, where things that 31 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: they wouldn't tolerate, but yet there's things that they've just 32 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: brushed on the carpet. 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: James will never forget how leadership treated Chaufe l how 34 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: they responded to his actions. According to James, one of 35 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: the leaders said, l Israel, you're a loose cannon. He said, you've. 36 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: Got a passion. Yeah, it's good, but you're firing it 37 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 2: in the wrong direction. Yeah, use that passion for righteousness. 38 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: I can remember thinking, how are you turning a brother 39 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 2: to use violent conduct as righteousness. That just sat with 40 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: me for a bit and I was like, Nah, something 41 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 2: isn't right. 42 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: James will remember those words for the rest of his life. 43 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: Because Chauffeur l Israel, the man who'd been accused of 44 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: violent behavior not once but twice, would later go on 45 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: to murder Joy Morgan. James believes the church bears responsibility 46 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: for what happened to Joy. That's why he wants the 47 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: truth to come out, to expose how the church operates, 48 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: what he's seen being preached, and who gets her in 49 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: the process. You might recall from the last episode that 50 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: chau for Ell was known for his booming voice. He 51 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: even chose the name chow for Ell to reflect that 52 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: because it means a ram's horn, used in ancient times 53 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: as a signaling trumpet. There's a bitter irony in that, 54 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: because while many of those who knew and loved Joy 55 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: are still searching for answers. James claims that the people 56 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: in power looked away, they stayed silent, they didn't raise 57 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: their voices, and they urged others to do the same. 58 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: From freeton, I'm Charlie brinkherst Cuff and this is the 59 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: Missing Sister, Episode three, The Silence. As a journalist, I've 60 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: been trying to tell this story for over six years 61 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: and it's not been I was hampered by lack of 62 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: resources and a tricky journalism landscape that didn't and to 63 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: an extent still doesn't, prioritize telling black stories. And on 64 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: top of all this, I just couldn't get close to 65 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: IUC for years. IUC has felt elusive, just out of reach. 66 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: I've never been able to deeply understand them, their congregation 67 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: and the member who was found guilty of murder until now, 68 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: And that's in large part thanks to James. It just 69 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: so happens that James news show for L pretty well. 70 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: So it's only now listening to him that I feel 71 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: like I'm getting closer to the truth, closer to understanding 72 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: his personality and why he went on to kill Joy. 73 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: James and I have been recording for hours. He has 74 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: a lot to get off his chest, especially about chau 75 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: for L. James first joined AUC, he was put into 76 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: a compulsory study group. It was expected for all members 77 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: to take their Bible studies seriously to live life by 78 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: the Bible. His group would meet every week to read, discuss, 79 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: and interpret the Holy Script. The change was a little 80 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: bit of a troublemaker. Him and one of his bodies 81 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: would spend the whole time laughing, choking around. 82 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: We was very disruptive. It was like kids misbehaving in 83 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: the class. They just say, look, you guys are too disruptive. 84 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 2: So you're going into this one's study group, and you 85 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: are going to go into chauffeur study group. 86 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: And the soldier who happened to be leading James's study group, 87 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: the newly promoted Chauffeur L Israel, the man who murdered Joy. 88 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 2: Chauffur gets promoted, so then now he's able to teach. 89 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: Chauffeur L was loud and confident. He had a wife, 90 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: Chindu Israel from Kenya, who he married in twenty sixteen 91 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: and started various business ventures with over the course of 92 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: the three years that James was in i U See 93 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: chauffe Ll wanted to be more than just brothers in church. 94 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: He said he felt that chauffe Ll wanted to be 95 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: his friend. The couple would even invite James and his 96 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: wife round to have food together. 97 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 2: My wife, for I said no, he was really trying 98 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: not to get us the common break bread, and we 99 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: just kept saying that we're busy with our family and 100 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: that sort of thing. 101 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: James never accepted his invitations. Chauffe Ell also tried to 102 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: get close with James's son, Elijah. James says cha for 103 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: Ell even expressed interest in being Elijah's godfather. 104 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: Chauffeur did take a lik into my son. This guy's weird. 105 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: He's really weird. 106 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 3: If I did have the opportunity to avoid conversation, I 107 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 3: would avoid conversation as much as possible. 108 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: Knowing that Chafell had been stood up for violent conduct twice, 109 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: James simply didn't trust PLUS leadership strongly discouraged mixing between 110 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: ranks soldiers. Hanging out with brothers wasn't really considered acceptable. 111 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: And there's something else that James noticed about his Bible 112 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: study teacher. He took note of what he thought was 113 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: strange behavior between Joy and chaw for Ll in twenty eighteen. 114 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: James says that Joy had to go to the hospital 115 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: and an officer was sent to chaperon her. James says, 116 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: US always tried to make sure a women were accompanied 117 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: by a male member of the congregation anywhere outside the home. 118 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: But what was unusual about this incident is that Chauffeur 119 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: l insisted on going with them as what he called 120 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: a second witness. 121 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: Something seemed very odd on the Chauffeur's relationship with her. 122 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: He was very, very unclinging. Chauffeur seemed heavily infested. 123 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: This took place in the same year that Joy was 124 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: James told us from his own observations that Joy was 125 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: close to leadership, closer than the other sisters who didn't 126 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: have husbands in rank. But we don't have the full 127 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: context as to why Chauffeel insisted on going with her 128 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: to the hospital, And of course it's possible that James 129 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: is looking at this retrospectively and imbuing it with more meaning, 130 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: knowing what he knows now about chauffe L. What is 131 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: for certain, though, is that it was partly the actions 132 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: of chauffe L that led to James deciding to leave 133 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: the church for good. In the last episode, we first 134 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: spoke about the concept of being stood up or rebuked 135 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: during IUIC church services. It's a humiliating practice of verbal 136 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: abuse and public shaming. James saw chauffe L being stood 137 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: up twice and subsequently demoted from his position as a soldier. 138 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: Despite his own expert speriences, James believes that chauffeur L 139 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: relished in taking part in the public humiliation of others. 140 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: He said that you've always got the impression that chow 141 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: for Ll really enjoyed. 142 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: Oh he loved that loved How could you tell. 143 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 4: That he enjoyed it. 144 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 2: He was one of the first. He would jump, he 145 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 2: would jump to that thing. 146 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: On the last day that James ever attended the church, 147 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: he saw something which compounded his feelings towards cha for 148 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: L and his decision to leave. 149 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 2: So it was about October twenty eighteen. Chauffeur happened to 150 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: be cleaning the toilets because the soldiers had to clean 151 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: the toilets, and this has never happened before, but I 152 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: think he went into the bin and pulled this thing out. 153 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: Now, before we go any further, I should say here 154 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: that this is James's account of the story. It's what 155 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: he remembers, and in part it's just his personal opinion 156 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: of what he thinks happened. But we told you he 157 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: has things he wants to get off his chest. The 158 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: body is congregating as usual, women on the left, men 159 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: on the right. Leadership at head table. The service begins, 160 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: but today the sisters are being recognized. Individual sisters are 161 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: being named and asked to stand. As you know, women 162 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: play a very specific role in Iuiic. They're responsible for cooking, 163 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: raising children, and making the church garments. Otherwise, they've been 164 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: described as voiceless. So having sisters stand up in front 165 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: of the congregation, James assumes it must be a special occasion. 166 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: He and a few of his fellow brothers even start 167 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 1: to clap. But things are not what they seem. One 168 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: of the men in leadership turns to the brothers. 169 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: He says, were your capital. You don't even know what 170 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 2: the matter is. Yeah, Then he says, security, put the 171 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 2: image on the screen. 172 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: An image appears on a screen for the entire body 173 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: to see. It's a picture of a used sanitary pad 174 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: on the floor in the women's toilet. The leaders are 175 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: standing up the women, berating them because it was left 176 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: outside of the bin, because in their eyes, the women 177 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: have sinned by being unsanitary and hygienic. The body is stunned. 178 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: This has never happened before, but James is upset for 179 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: another reason. Who on earth would take a photo of 180 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: a used period pad and show it to leadership. The 181 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: sisters are called nasty dirty for something that could have 182 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: been an innocent mistake, or even something that was orchestrated 183 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: to shame them. James only has one guess. The soldier 184 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: who is cleaning the toilets that day chau for L Israel. 185 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: Except he doesn't just think that chau for L took 186 00:11:59,240 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: the picture. 187 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 2: I believe he put it in. 188 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: James is appalled, disgusted. He doesn't have any proof that 189 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: chaufe L actually took the sanitary towel out of the 190 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 1: bin and placed it on the floor before sharing it 191 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: with leadership, but he knows Chauffeur L was on duty 192 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 1: cleaning the toilets that day, and he did see the 193 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: man relish in humiliating the group of sisters who were 194 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: asked to stand up. 195 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 2: It was horrible to watch. It was horrible to watch that, 196 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: and I said, Nah, I've had enough. There's too much 197 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: red flags here. We stoppedquely getting in October, but we 198 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: officially rest in January twenty nineteen. 199 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: James and his family stopped going to church events two 200 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: months before Joy was last seen alive. By the time 201 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:54,359 Speaker 1: he officially left the church in January twenty nineteen, unbeknownst 202 00:12:54,400 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: to him, Joy was already missing. So here's the thing. 203 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen marks a massive turning point in our story. 204 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: Not only is it the year that Joy was reported missing, 205 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: but it's also the year where things start to fall 206 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: apart at IUIC. Drama was unfolding in the church. In 207 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: late twenty eighteen, a spate of videos were released on 208 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: YouTube by ex members out of the US, claiming that 209 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: IOC was exploiting people financially lying to their congregations, and 210 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: all sorts of other claims of hypocrisy and deviants. Some 211 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: very senior people in IUIC were implicated. IUIC publicly denied 212 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: all the claims. Watching these videos back now, they're almost impenetrable, 213 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: aimed very much at people within the fold of IUIC 214 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: who love conspiracy theories and have a better temperament than 215 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: I do for listening to rants. What I have been 216 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:02,359 Speaker 1: told is that at least one IUIC church completely disintegrated. 217 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: By February twenty nineteen, people were leaving UIC in droves, 218 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: including Nathan and Malachi, the soldiers from the West Midlands 219 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: branch who you heard from in the last episode. Here's Nathan. 220 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 3: When we made up out of minds here that we 221 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: wants you to leave right, We just wanted to find 222 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 3: a decent exit strategy It's. 223 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: Not like Malachi and Nathan are brothers the lowest rank 224 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: of the church. They're soldiers. They've taken an exam to 225 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: be promoted. They were aware that their departure from the 226 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: church might be taken poorly. The church likes to hold 227 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: on to people that they've invested in. 228 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 3: Because we played an important role in the in our 229 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 3: own congregation. Right, There's a lot of things that they 230 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 3: had to do, so they'd have to deal with the 231 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: damage control of that. 232 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 2: Damn, what we're going to do now we've lost these people. 233 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, because of the things that you've done, and we 234 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: don't need to be. 235 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: Part of you. 236 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: Nathan and Malachi decided to leave, cutting ties with the 237 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: church for good. They had a few different reasons. They 238 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: felt like they were being worked too hard, asked to 239 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: donate too much money, too much time. There were still Israelites. 240 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: They still believed in most of the doctrines, but they 241 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: didn't like how people were treated as part of the church. 242 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: Mainly though, it was those YouTube videos about rotten leadership 243 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: and scams and infighting. They were off putting, damning. But 244 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: when Joy was reported missing, there was one thing that 245 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: Nathan insisted on doing. 246 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 3: We put together a goal fundly to help find Joy 247 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 3: because obviously the police wasn't doing much and obviously the 248 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 3: police have got other cases to deal with, so we 249 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 3: was trying to raise money for even private investigators to 250 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 3: find out what's going on. 251 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: The go fund me page raised around seventeen thousand pounds, 252 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: all of which they say was eventually given to Carol 253 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: Joy's mum for funeral costs. A significant amount of money 254 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: was raised by people who didn't even know Joy personally. 255 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: There's no doubt it revealed the positive side of the 256 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: church's community. But after spending three years of peace in 257 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: the church, Nathan and Malachi were finally free of Ius 258 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: for good. A lot of people in this story feel 259 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: that Joy's disappearance was initially met with silence on many fronts. 260 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: Silence from IUIC, silence from the media, and some even 261 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: believe silence from the police. We know that Joi was 262 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: last seen in public on Boxing Day, December twenty sixth 263 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: at IUC in Ilford, East London. We also know that 264 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: she was reported missing six weeks later on February seventh, 265 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, by her mother, Carol, So it begs the 266 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: question did anyone from IUIC notice that Joy was gone. 267 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: There is something I've been thinking about. On December twenty eighth, 268 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: two days after Joy was last seen at church, her 269 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: number was removed from iuic's group chat on the messaging 270 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: app called Telegram. Joy's number was most likely removed by 271 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: chauffeur l himself, who may have had access to her 272 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: phone after he killed her. We've been told that when 273 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: people leave the group chat, it means they've left the church. 274 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 1: So one theory is members of the IUIC body may 275 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: have made the assumption that Joy decided to leave. With 276 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: the backdrop of what was happening in the US and 277 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: the exodus, it kind of made sense. Maybe she saw 278 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: the videos on YouTube and had a change of heart. 279 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: There's something strange about how she went missing. The stinks. 280 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: The stinks to High Heaven. This woman was part of 281 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 2: the furniture. Yeah, why is it the mom is having 282 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: to make this appeal? If you look was so close? 283 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 2: Why were you lock doing something? 284 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: And what about the media? Well, for me, from the inside, 285 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: it clearly looked like bias was at play. Joy's story 286 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: was getting barely any coverage, and I started to compare 287 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: the stats to those of another missing student twenty one 288 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: year old Libby Squire, who was reported missing less than 289 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: a week before Joy. Both of their stories had a 290 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: tragic ending, but unlike Joy, Libby Square was white and 291 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: middle class. Libby Squire was last seen on Thursday, just 292 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: Libby was last seen on this road, yards from her 293 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: home after a night out with friends. 294 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 5: Three days since Libby Squire was last seen, and forensic 295 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 5: officers from Humberside Police have spent to day at the 296 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 5: place where she was last spotted. 297 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: By the time I began my reporting in late February, 298 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: the Times had published no articles about Joy's case at all, 299 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: compared to at least half a dozen on Libby. The 300 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: Guardian published two pieces on Joy compared to at least 301 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: ten on Libby, and the BBC had run five stories 302 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: on Joy compared to over twenty on Libby. They even 303 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: had a whole section of their website dedicated to her. Now, 304 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: I know it's not always useful to make comparisons between 305 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: missing cases. Each one is unique and has factors that 306 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: might make it more quote unquote newsworthy. But in this 307 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: case I couldn't help but mirror the two young women's experiences. 308 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: And let me be clear, for the record, I have 309 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: no issue with how much media coverage Libby Squire's case received. Libby, 310 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: her friends told the media was smart, fun, loving, outgoing. 311 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: She was loved in the same way that Joy was. 312 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: I just was and remain devastated that Joy's family and 313 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: school friends like Agnes had to work so hard to 314 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: make their love for her her in those early weeks 315 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: and months. 316 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 4: Just the whole process. I was just so annoyed. Why 317 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 4: is everyone silent? Is it because she's black? It's not fair. 318 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: When I started posting about these discrepancies on social media 319 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: raising awareness of the case, at least one news journalist 320 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: from a major publication reached out to me, apologizing for 321 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: the lack of coverage and saying that quote news reporters 322 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: should be hanging their heads in shame. From my research, 323 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: I know that the more media coverage a missing person's 324 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: case receives, the more public engagement it generates. A senior 325 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: police officer told me that often leads to more resources 326 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: being dedicated to the search. The media has the ability 327 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: to spotlight stories and plays a key role in ensuring 328 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: that institutions like the police are doing their jobs. That's 329 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: why gaps and coverage matter, because silence can mean the 330 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: difference between action and inaction, and that's our job, right 331 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: holding truth to power. Nathan said he helped to start 332 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: the GoFundMe page because he felt as though the police 333 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: weren't doing as much as they should. Agnes felt the 334 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: same way. Of course, this is a common complaint from victims, 335 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,239 Speaker 1: friends and families. For them, nothing is more important than 336 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: their missing loved one, and there isn't much the police 337 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: can do to mitigate that feeling of ignorance, of helplessness. 338 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: Not to give the police too much credit, but sometimes 339 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: there are good reasons for them holding back information. 340 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 4: I was just like, what is going on? And I 341 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 4: was like okay, And then that's when you just kind 342 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 4: of start going into detective mode. 343 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: So Agnes and her former schoolmates took matters into their 344 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: own hands. A group chat was setup on Snapchat. Every 345 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: single person in their year group was invited. 346 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 2: We started to. 347 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 4: Move, so then everybody started to do detective work because 348 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 4: we don't really know what's going on. 349 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: They go to see Joy's family, to see her mom 350 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: and sister, Carol and Beyon. 351 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 4: We just had a conversation and were just thinking, like 352 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 4: what happened? Can somebody explain what happened? How did we 353 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 4: get here? We will basically play detective because we want 354 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 4: to know what's happened to our friend. 355 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: They're asking around, reading articles, sharing on social media, any 356 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: new pieces of information they'd share in the group chat. 357 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: But despite the fact that Carol had reported Joy's disappearance 358 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: to the police, Joy's loved ones still felt this silence, 359 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: as if they were in the dark. No updates about 360 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: the case, no updates about Joy. In the meantime, James 361 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: says he played a pretty vital role. 362 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 2: I assisted the police of what as much information as 363 00:22:59,240 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: I could. 364 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: He told them everything he knew about AUC, everything he 365 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: thought they should know, the culture, the practices, the YouTube videos, 366 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: words and rhetoric that's passed down from leadership, real in 367 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: depth insight into an impenetrable group. By February ninth, only 368 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: two days after Joy was reported missing, the police arrest 369 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: and question chau fore L in connection with her disappearance. 370 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: He's released after two days. On February twenty seventh, cha 371 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: for L is re arrested and charged with murder. James 372 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: says that any other information he had about AOC after 373 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: that point was not considered by the police. 374 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, no, we're not interested in 375 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: the organization we've got on. 376 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: Then a suspect had been arrested and charged, So to James, 377 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: it felt like the police were no longer interested in 378 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: looking into aoc Hertford police declined to speak with us 379 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: for this podcast. They said over email that they didn't 380 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: want to get involved with any criticism of the church, 381 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: that the nature of policing is very busy, and that 382 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: they had to prioritize live operational demand. The same day 383 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: that Chauffeurel is arrested and charged, IUIC finally breaks their silence. 384 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: The church issues an official statement on Joy's disappearance. It 385 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: was strangely written, stating that news reports had quote misconstrued 386 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: Iuic's involvement into the investigation of Joy Morgan's disappearance and 387 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: warning against any defamation toward the church in relation to 388 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: the case. But Joy's body still hadn't been found, and 389 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: a few months later the trial was set to begin. 390 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: Chau for El Israel's trial started in July twenty nineteen 391 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: at Reading Crown Court. Unfortunately, I couldn't attend the trial 392 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: at the time, and I haven't been able to find 393 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: any journalists who are willing to speak with us about it. 394 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: When I contacted the court for records, I was told 395 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: that they only keep them for five years and that 396 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 1: they would have been deleted from their system. The saving 397 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: grace is that by the time the trial began, thankfully, 398 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,479 Speaker 1: the mainstream media had begun to catch up. They were 399 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: finally paying attention, and there's just about enough contemporary reporting 400 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: for us to draw on. Plus there's one more person 401 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: we were able to get hold of. 402 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 5: My name is Mark Fennels, King's Council. I was instructed 403 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 5: by the Crown Prosecution Service to prosecute this murder case. 404 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: Mark Fennel's Casey, the barrister who prosecuted Chauffeur l. 405 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 5: It was rapidly apparent to me that it was a 406 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 5: very interesting and complex case, because very few murders of 407 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 5: this sort involve missing bodies, and prosecuting a missing bodies 408 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 5: case is far more complex usually than the run of 409 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 5: the mill murder case. 410 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: What we know is that from the beginning, the police 411 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: and the lawyers had a difficult task ahead of them. 412 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: How do you prove a murder without a body? The 413 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: defense took this to the jury and they ran with it. 414 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: This means that the prosecution would have to rely heavily 415 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: on circumstantial evidence. 416 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 5: The first question in a case like this is can 417 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 5: the prosecution make the jury sure that the person in 418 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 5: question is in fact dead? Then the second question is 419 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 5: can we make the jury sure that the man in 420 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 5: the dock is responsible for that death? And thirdly, what 421 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 5: did he intend at the time. 422 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: Let's take a second here to go back to the 423 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: timeline and lead up to Joy's disappearance and the police's 424 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: subsequent investigation. Boxing Day twenty eighteen is a day Joy 425 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: was last seen alive. She's eventually reported missing by her mum, Carol, 426 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: weeks later in early February twenty nineteen. This is after 427 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: Joy's landlord contacted Carol as Joy hadn't been paying her rent. 428 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: The police received the missing persons report and they start investigating. 429 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 5: And quite quickly, as I recall, they got to the 430 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 5: church and they discovered that Joi had this life based 431 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 5: largely around the church. By the time they'd talked to 432 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 5: people at the church, they discovered that Joy had been 433 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 5: extremely happy at the church, there'd been no good reason 434 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 5: for her to leave, and that she'd been making plans 435 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 5: to participate in events after Boxing Day, events to which 436 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 5: she never showed up. 437 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: According to Mark, when the police spoke to members of 438 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 1: the congregation, many of them were surprised that Joi had 439 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: been reported missing after she was removed from the IUIC 440 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: group chat on the telegram app. Surely, if someone who 441 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: appears to be happy in their environment all of a 442 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: sudden leaves it, that's a bit suspicious. Did no one 443 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: in IUIC think that that was weird? Mark has somewhat 444 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: of an explanation for this. 445 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 5: What we learned happened was that when people left the church, 446 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 5: as is not uncommon, they were effectively cut off, and 447 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 5: the people who stayed within the church were no longer 448 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 5: interested in communicating with them. 449 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: An assumption was made Joy was no longer in the 450 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: telegram chat, which meant she was no longer a member 451 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: of UIC, so she should be cut off the whole 452 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: who were either with us or against us type of thing. 453 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 5: When Joy's phone had disconnected from the telegram group, this 454 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 5: had been to the astonishment of many of the other 455 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 5: people there, who, as far as they were concerned, thought 456 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 5: she was very happy. Surprised all the people from the 457 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 5: church that she'd gone missing and had not come back. 458 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: The investigation starts to accelerate for the police. It's a 459 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: race against time. 460 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 5: The police then went into her flat. They found her computer, 461 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 5: and they were able to download her computer and see 462 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 5: that she'd been making plans for running a children's group. 463 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 5: She'd last used a computer a day or so before Christmas, 464 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 5: I think, and so they could see that on the 465 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 5: face of it, there was nothing wrong that she was 466 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,239 Speaker 5: expressing through anything they could recover from her computer. They 467 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 5: went into her bank records and found out that the 468 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 5: last usage had been round about Christmas twenty eighteen, and 469 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 5: the balance on her account hadn't changed by the time 470 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 5: they looked at it at some point in February, and 471 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 5: they were able to track her telephone number and see 472 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 5: when her phone was last connected to the phone services 473 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 5: or to the Internet. And with all that in mind, 474 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 5: they could see that there was no signs that she 475 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 5: was alive after late December twenty eighteen, and from that 476 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 5: they rapidly concluded that this was stopp being a missing 477 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 5: person's inquiry and was now a murder inquiry. 478 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean Mark's job was easy. He had 479 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: his work cut out for him. It wasn't a sure 480 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: thing that chauffeur l would go down for the crime. 481 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: After all, there was no forensic evidence linking him to murder. 482 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: The police relied heavily on mobile phone data and something 483 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: called automatic car number plate recognition, a system that allows 484 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: police to track vehicles around the country. In court, the 485 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: jury heard that chauffeur ELL's car was picked up on 486 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: cameras near Stevenage in Hertfordshire between the date Joy was 487 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: last seen alive and the new year, and what. 488 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 5: They discovered was that over the course of the next 489 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 5: two or three nights, his car was driving to curious 490 00:30:54,360 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 5: places late at night and often wooded areas for which 491 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 5: there would be no particular good reason for him to be. 492 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: In the early hours of January first, twenty nineteen, Joy's 493 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: phone sent its final signal from the same area. The 494 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: keys to her flat were later found in the passenger 495 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: footwell of chauffe ELL's car. When it came to the testimonies, 496 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: people did step up and testify members of a U 497 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: see even we know that a church member testified that 498 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: Joy cried. On the last day she was seen at 499 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: the church. Joy allegedly told her she was late on 500 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: a university assignment and wasn't enjoying her house share. The 501 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: same member also told the court that Chauffeel was like 502 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: a son to her. She claimed that he was not 503 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: a violent person. Joy's family decided against taking to the stand, 504 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: but Mark remembers that Carol wrote a personal statement about 505 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: Joy's character and her quote warm, loving and caring personality 506 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: bress Carol's pride in her daughter obtaining a place at 507 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: university as well as her vocational training. Unlike the IUC 508 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,719 Speaker 1: members who testified in court, the ex members we've spoken 509 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: to feel as though IUC were trying to cover their 510 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: own backs during the trial. James even believes that IUC 511 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: was actively backing show for L in the courtroom, that 512 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: they worded their statements about him to be positive. 513 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 2: They were very supportive of Chauffeel. That's who they were supporting. 514 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: But the trial revealed more truths about chauffe L's character. 515 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: Chau Fore L was confident, as James told us, he 516 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: presented himself as being a family man. He had a wife, kids, 517 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: wanted to take James's son Elijah under his wing and 518 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: have the family around for food. Meanwhile, it was revealed 519 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: in court, he was reading chat up manuals and texting 520 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: Women's Flirtatious. He told Joy by a text that she 521 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: was an amazing princess and a treasure that cannot be measured, 522 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: even as she referred to him as a father figure. 523 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: The prosecutors seemed to be suggesting that despite being a 524 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: married father, their relationship perhaps wasn't as innocent as it seemed. 525 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 5: He wanted to persuade the jury for obvious reasons that 526 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 5: he couldn't possibly have done this. He hid I think 527 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 5: that's a fair word to say, behind the rules of 528 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 5: the church as an explanation for his behavior, and he 529 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 5: perhaps gave the impression of a man who had often 530 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 5: been able to talk his way of of trouble in 531 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 5: the past and was going to try and do that again. 532 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: Eventually, Chauffeur l was found guilty on August fifth, twenty nineteen. 533 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: He was sentenced to life in prison with a minimum 534 00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: of seventeen years. Still, Joy's body remained on discovered. After 535 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: the trial, IUIC released a new statement. In it they 536 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,760 Speaker 1: claimed that what happened to Joy was an isolated incident 537 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: and that in spite of the evidence of Joy's involvement, 538 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: and commitment to the church right up until the moment 539 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: she disappeared quote, All indications pointed to her leaving the 540 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: church or wanting time away, not being in danger. They 541 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: also said that when it was established that Joy was 542 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: officially missing, extensive searches and flower missions were carried out, 543 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: and they said that the idea that IUC London was 544 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: involved in Joy's disappearance or withheld information from the authorities 545 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 1: was untrue and that quote, due to the lies spread 546 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: on social media by ignorant and vile buffoons, our children, 547 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: women and men are placed in danger. They rounded off 548 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: the statement by saying that they did not support murderers, kidnappers, rapists, 549 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: or any other vile acts inconsistent with the teachings of 550 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. The judge called chaufeur El dishonest and manipulative 551 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: and spoke of his cruel and cowardly silence about where 552 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: Joy's body was. Here's Mark Fennel's Casey Again. 553 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 5: I think in this case we all felt as though 554 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 5: what the silence of Israel after having killed her was 555 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,399 Speaker 5: particularly cruel because one of the things people always want 556 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 5: is to find out what's happened, and that was denied 557 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 5: to the family in this case. Some trials permit them 558 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 5: to learn the circumstances which their loved one has come 559 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 5: to an end. In this case, they didn't get that. 560 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 5: All they got was she was last seen by him 561 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 5: on the twenty sixth of December and Boxing Day, and 562 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 5: then over the next forty eight hours, but he never 563 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 5: admitted when it was he killed her. 564 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 1: It would take two more months after the trial until 565 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: her body was eventually found by a dog walker in 566 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: October twenty nineteen, bound up with gaffer tape and covered 567 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: by a mount of logs. According to Mark, Joy's body 568 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: was found just sixty meters outside one of the search parameters. 569 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: The police had used a devastating full stop on the 570 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: story for some people, a massive question mark for others. 571 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: The question we want to interrogate now is really one 572 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: of culpability. It's thorny, it's not neat, and there won't 573 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: be neat answers. We have to be careful not to 574 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: make assumptions. Some believe that iu See purposefully withheld information 575 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: from the authorities when Joy went missing. Some believe that 576 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: it is fishy that, considering Joy was so in the church, 577 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: no one went to check up on her and raise 578 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: the alarm that something bad might have happened before her 579 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: mom did six weeks after she was last seen alive 580 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: at the congregation. There is evidence that members of AUC 581 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 1: did go against church policy and contacted Joy after she 582 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: left the telegram group chat, But did they do anything else? 583 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: Did they do enough? Some believe that during the trial 584 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: IUC explicitly supported Chauffeur l and instructed their members to 585 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: do so too. We cannot prove that. And there is 586 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: compelling evidence that because of the mass exodus of church 587 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: members at the same time that Joy went missing, she 588 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 1: may have just been devastatingly caught up in a different 589 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: story altogether. That people assumed that she had left because 590 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: others were leaving. 591 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 2: Two. 592 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: Was there ever a question as to whether or not 593 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: the church had any culpability as far as you were 594 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: in terms of the police investigations. 595 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 5: I'm not aware of any evidence that anybody else in 596 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 5: the church knew what he had done to Joy. That 597 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 5: there's nothing. 598 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 1: But here's what we do know for certain. Because UC 599 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: has such a harsh isolationist approach, they did let Joy down. 600 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: Despite a few members reaching out to her, she was 601 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: still essentially cut off based on the idea that she 602 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: had left and no one who is outside of the 603 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: church is worth their time. The leadership betrayed her, The 604 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: congregation betrayed her. Even if they said they didn't, they did, 605 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,280 Speaker 1: And the fact that people were contacting her is ironic 606 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: because that's exactly the opposite of what they preach. We 607 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: also know that chauffe L was known within the church 608 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: as a violent individual. He was demoted at least twice, 609 00:38:53,880 --> 00:39:00,280 Speaker 1: yet reinstated. Chauffe L kept his rank unlike other people 610 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: who got in trouble at the church. He didn't get 611 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: kicked out. And how did he manage to do that? Well, 612 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: quite simply, he was considered useful, that's the theory anyway, 613 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: a strong presence, a righteous voice. And therefore, some ex 614 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: members believe that IUIC enabled chaufe L and kept him 615 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: around the church even though they knew he was a 616 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: dangerous individual, because that's a pattern of behavior for them. 617 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: It's a tactic that they use to. 618 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 2: Manipulate these guys will harping someone at Chafeyel, you know, 619 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,280 Speaker 2: and so Fayo, as I learned, he was clearly unstable. 620 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 2: You're going to get those type of responses from People's Unstable. 621 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: James and other ex members want the truth to come 622 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: out about the church, and they're not the only ones. 623 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: Because it just so happens that Joy Morgan isn't the 624 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: only woman who has experienced harm at the hands of I. 625 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 4: U c our Hill broke loose when I discovered what 626 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 4: IU I see really was everything just won Haywire. 627 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 1: If you have information you would like to share with 628 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,760 Speaker 1: us about Joy Morgan or IUIC, please email The Missing 629 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: Sister Podcast at gmail dot com. 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