1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our guest producer, 7 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: Mr Matt Frederick. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you 9 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: to know. This is gonna be one in uh what'll 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: probably what'll probably end up being a continuing series. If 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: you saw the headline, it is companies started by cults, 12 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: run by cults affiliated with cults. We all know that's 13 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 1: a that's a weird word, so use the phrase religious 14 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: sect if you wish when you're talking with your family 15 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: and friends over the holidays. Here's the story. A while back, 16 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: we delved into the strange, at times intensely troubling story 17 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: of a group called Falling Gong. They're a religious sect 18 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: out of mainland China. They run quietly run the famous 19 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: shen Yan performance group. And this got us thinking, many 20 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: many months back, what other companies and corporations might be 21 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: associated with or even run by organizations that the average 22 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: person would consider a cult. Uh. Here are the facts. 23 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: First things. First, we talked about this many many companies 24 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: are ultimately owned by the strangest entities, and you would 25 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: not know this if you were just walking by them 26 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: and your department store. You were clicking and buying stuff online. Um. 27 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is due to brand acquisitions, right, 28 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: so much, so much when when you look at the 29 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: manu factured foods businesses and that are out there, and 30 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: how many of them got purchased by like Big Tobacco 31 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: back in the day when you if you really thought 32 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: about that, you might not buy some of the snacks 33 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: you go to the store and buy every week now 34 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: my jerky, oh man, not just the jerky, the fast 35 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: food outfits, cereal companies. I mean so many can look 36 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: like their own independent things. I only drink Lipton tea, 37 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: someone might say, because it is you know, it is 38 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: the tea that I like out of all the teas 39 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: in the world. Uh. And you might think this is 40 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: an independent thing, right. These companies are like hey Ben 41 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: and Jerry. They own the only ice cream that I 42 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: will eat. It's somehow different and better Uh, but what 43 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: you'll find is a lot of these that seem to 44 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: be competitors. They have the same bosses. It's the same 45 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: with like craft breweries, right Like you'll have a raft 46 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: brewery that does really well and then all of a 47 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: sudden Bushmells swoops in and grabs them. But they do 48 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: it with very little fanfare because they were lying, nay hoping, 49 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: you know that folks won't realize the SWITCHERU has taking 50 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: place a hundred percent. You know a great example of 51 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: this would be uh corporate behemoth like Uni Lever. They 52 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: owned Dove, they own Acts, they own Lipton, They owned 53 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: Ben and Jerry's. Uh. They also own Walls, ice cream, 54 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: Hellman's everything. Helman's makes vassoline, they owned slim Fast and like, 55 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: you can see how it gets so confusing when these 56 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: large companies interact. Uni Lever doesn't Uh isn't just the 57 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: owner of Lipton, Uh, it is the co owner another 58 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: big company, PepsiCo. PepsiCo owns everything, right. Then they owned Tycho, 59 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: which was always like the the second run to Lego. 60 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: I think Tycho just kind of made like just general 61 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: run of the mill kind of children's toys. They were 62 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: kind of boxy and lego adjacent, but like not as intricate. 63 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: I know that uh Tycho I always associated them with 64 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: the sort of military indoctrination toys that are really common 65 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: in the US. You build tanks with Tycho, right, just 66 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: like g I Joe's, which I always thought were awesome, 67 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: are are there to make you very pro military. But 68 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: I think another thing PEPSI owns lipped In. Weirdly enough, 69 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: they co owned lipped In with Uni Lever, and I 70 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: like the point that you have made no about brands 71 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: and the power they have. Brands are popular, they command loyalty. 72 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: So if you're a corporation and you're buying a brand, 73 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: you're buying this image and you want to manage it. 74 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: So like the average person isn't walking in and thinking, 75 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: oh I love buying Unilever brand ice cream, or hey, 76 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: I only drink Uni Lever t right, that's why it's 77 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: not on the package. It isn't And like super fine print, Yes, 78 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: if you really want to dig for it or do 79 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: your homework, you can. You can figure out what these 80 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: uh where these threads go. You know what these organ 81 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: charts look like. And you know, as as we've discussed 82 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: in a lot of corporate conversations that we've had on 83 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: this show. Those organ charts usually kind of go back 84 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: to one or two or three entities, and it really 85 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: starts to make you think about things like political parties, 86 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: you know, because it's all kind of what do we 87 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: say we were hanging this weekend? Ben uh, fingers on 88 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: a glove, you know, like it really is kind of 89 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: that same um example here fingers on the hand. Yes, sir, 90 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: that's one big funnel. It's one big funnel. It's operative 91 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: word being fun Yeah. And sometimes they take the l 92 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: as well. I mean this, this isn't necessarily sinister, but 93 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: it is misleading. A lot of people only become aware 94 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: of these huge portfolios and these ultimate owners when you 95 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: see a boycott go viral and start making the rounds. Right, 96 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: someone says, hey, we need to boycott Nestley, for instance, 97 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: And someone says, okay, that's fine, I can go without 98 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: Nestley crunch Bar. And they say, wait, here's the full 99 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: list of all the stuff that company owns. And then 100 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: you know it's a it's a ephemeral social media posts, 101 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: so it usually gets ignored in about forty eight to 102 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: seventy two hours like everything else. But it's one of 103 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: those things been it. It feels like it's not a 104 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: I don't know, a shadow move to not openly promote 105 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: brands as the mothership you know, ownership company. But it 106 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: does feel I mean you we're right, it's a move, right, 107 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: it's a strategic move to diversify the likes of your 108 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: consumers so that they do latch onto those things. But 109 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: it does feel like it's hidden purposefully. It does it. 110 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: There's marketing to I mean, like, okay, if you're familiar 111 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: with military products or military rations, you know, what's the alternative? 112 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: Would everything just be an identical packaging it was stamped 113 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: like product zero six twelve a z uh powdered potatoes, 114 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: UNI lever or something like that. People wouldn't buy it, right, 115 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: And the big you know, corporate overlords PR teams, when 116 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: pressed on this, would likely argue, no, no, this is 117 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: a service. You know, we're we're serving different segments, We're 118 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: we're serving different needs and it's not a one size 119 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: fits all thing, so it's not appropriate for us to 120 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: brand you know, something that's more specific to uh, you know, 121 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: uh women eighteen to thirty two. You know, let's see 122 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: um cosmetic product with the lunar Unilever stamp, you know, 123 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: because yeah, right exactly, that's its own wing, that has 124 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: its own aesthetics and its own consumers that we are 125 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: here to appeal to. And we're not obfuscating, we're not 126 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: being dishonest. You can totally find that that that we 127 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: are in the parent company. But that's sort of missing 128 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: the point. Again. I'm speaking on the perspective of the 129 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: of the parent company here. Yeah, I think there is 130 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: some rationale going into it, but I also like the 131 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: phrase of instead of wing, another tentacle, if you will. 132 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: But either way still alarmingly Cathulu esque. Uh. This this 133 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: thing though, um, now we're talking about guys. I it 134 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: makes me yearn for a world where products do have 135 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: that backstage information printed right on the front. Like I 136 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: want the demographic there. I want to know right, oh, 137 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: this is actually for people who are you know, eighteen 138 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: two fifty four, who are for some reason very you know, 139 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: left handed. I want to do that, like, I want 140 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: all that information. Um, this is Unilever real mayonnaise, yes, 141 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: exactly exactly, and this, um, is it for the benefit 142 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: of the consumer? I would say, maybe, but not necessarily 143 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: that's kind of a convenient thing to argue. But it 144 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: gets even trickier when we realize that some of these 145 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: companies who make things you will run across every single 146 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: day in the West, they have association with things that 147 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: would surprise you. And it goes far beyond global corporations 148 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: trying to play pay no attention to the man behind 149 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: the curtain. There are a lot of religious sects that 150 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: have incredible influence on products that you buy every day 151 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: and therefore incredible influence on you. And it's stuff they 152 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: don't want you to know about pretty often because it 153 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: might affect their bottom line. And you know, again, real quick, 154 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: whenever we talk about these things, we know the c 155 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 1: word cults can be a little dirty, and a lot 156 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: of groups that you would consider cults will fund, will 157 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: take umbradge, they'll be offended if you call them that. 158 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: So we'll go with the phrase religious sex or cults. 159 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: We're just using that for the sake of communication in 160 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: most cases here, So we're we're saying that out front 161 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: just to make sure that if you're a member of 162 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: these sex and you're listening, you know that we are. 163 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: We're describing statements of critics. We are describing statements of supporters. 164 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: But as always here on stuff they don't want you 165 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: to know we are, I would say, spiritual libertarians. We 166 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: do not detigrate other people's personal beliefs, so long as 167 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: you're not hurting other people. Right, that's pretty fair, right, 168 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: spiritual libertarian. I don't know if I love that phrase. 169 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: Workshop at Universal Unitarian Church of Light for all people 170 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: there we go so so we started digging into this, 171 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: and we started asking ourselves just how common is this? 172 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: What we're gonna do now is introduce you to a 173 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: few of these companies, um and maybe at the end 174 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: we can answer the question, how many like corporations and 175 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: companies are really being rutten or influenced and so way 176 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: by cults. Here's where it gets crazy. The answer ton 177 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: a ton, tons and tons like way more than even 178 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: we would have ever suspected. So many that we're not 179 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: going to get to all of them today, But I 180 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: say we give it a go. I mean, they're not 181 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: all owned by cults, right, Some are just inspired by 182 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: or influenced by or yeah, um, founded by, founded by Yes, 183 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: let's get started with one that I quite enjoy and 184 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about the stuff we're about to discuss. 185 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: A little tea that I have purchased numerous times in 186 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: my life, different types of tea, teas that make me 187 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: get all sleepy. This a little thing called Celestial Seasonings. 188 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: Great name, great name. Yet the Celestial Seasonings and Sleepy 189 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: Time tea. Back in the day, it's nineteen sixty nine, 190 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: people are still kind of high, not upon off them 191 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: all free love, the Flower Power movement stuff like that, 192 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: and they say, hey, maybe if we if we just 193 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: put out enough good vibes, we can change the world. 194 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: This is something also that made the FBI and the 195 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: Alphabet boys super piste and uncomfortable and right, and they 196 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: started really doing some some dirty work in in the 197 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: Flower Power movements. So these hikers, these are blests, especially 198 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: one guy named mo Uh. They're not worried about that. 199 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: They are inspired by the natural wilds of Colorado. And 200 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: in V. Two they make this stuff that are very 201 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: well Matt Frederick gloves Uh. Sleep it's tam t. I 202 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: don't know why it sounds so south Park there, but 203 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: sleep It's tam te And given me the vapors of 204 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: that accample. And they became the most profitable tea outfit 205 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: in all of North America. You can find it in 206 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: any grocery store, right, Like it's it's all. It's kind 207 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: of always in the t section. The bear yeah yeah, yeah, bear, 208 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: and and and one of those like old timey night caps, 209 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: little dangly boys, you know, and then like the the 210 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: gown and he's snuggled up with the good old cuppa. Yeah. 211 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: It's so common that it's one of those things you 212 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: would where you would be more likely to notice if 213 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: it were not in your tea section, sort of like 214 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: you'd be in a grocery store and you say, hey, 215 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: why don't they have hines catch up? You know, it's 216 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: just everywhere. Yeah, it's the sleepy Time lavender. I think 217 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: was the one they got me there. There's one. I know, 218 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: there's at least one that has a dragon on the 219 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: face of it, and I really enjoyed that marketing. How celestial, right, 220 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: because what do you think of when you think of 221 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 1: tea dragons? So I do want to say, if anyone's 222 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: watched Deadwood, the terms still lest jail is actually used 223 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: as a derogatory racial slur for j people in in 224 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: in that era. Yeah, I'm not saying there's any connection there. 225 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: But it is interesting that I'm sure the dragon is 226 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: on some manner of green tea. There's some sort of 227 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: you know, capitalizing on like Eastern herbal remedies or whatever. 228 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: Interesting to raise the component of racism here and we'll 229 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: see why. Okay, this guy most Seagull co founder, and 230 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: he's the idea man, right, he's he's the dude who's 231 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: bringing together the earths and making these wonderful teas. He 232 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: was inspired by his friends and by Colorado, but he 233 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: was also inspired by a book, a very long book. 234 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: It's two thousand pages. It's called the Urantia Book. Uh 235 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: Urantia was first published in n Officially, there's a lot 236 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: of speculation about who wrote it, but it's like one 237 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: of those um in the world of prophecy. It's something 238 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: that would be called a direct speech book. The author, 239 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: whomever they are, was divinely communicated with right and the truth, 240 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: the metaphysical truth of reality and all that we know 241 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: was shared to this person who wanted to illuminate the 242 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: rest of not only Earth but the known universe. So 243 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: aliens were the ultimate authors through somebody else. Well. Yeah, 244 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: and and in the book most of the major characters 245 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: from the past from like the Bible, mostly Bible stories, 246 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: like everyone from Jesus to Am and Eve. They were 247 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: all allegedly aliens, like extraterrestrials who came to share a 248 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: specific tail with the Earth. I love it so far, 249 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: no notes a mean but but okay, So if we 250 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: look a little bit more secular, then you'll see the 251 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: majority of folks who have looked into this book in 252 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: particular this tone. Uh. They say it was written by 253 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: a psychiatrist named William Sadler. Uh. Sadler was inspired by 254 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: the Seventh Day Adventist movement. And first off, this book 255 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: might not be for you. That's fine, you know, Twilight 256 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: isn't for everybody, me included. But there's nothing wrong with 257 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: loving a good book, you know, even if your friends 258 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: don't like it. The thing is that critics and people 259 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: outside of the movement who have read the book say 260 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: that it has deep roots in eugenicism and UH eugenics 261 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: parent company white supremacy. It describes these Aryan aliens named 262 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: Adam and Eve who are going to arrive on every 263 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: planet to purify it. To up step is the phrase 264 00:16:55,800 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: they use to up step the civilizations overall to a newer, better, 265 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: purer place and most Segel. You can read interviews or 266 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: here interviews with him where he says, initially I thought, 267 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, this was out there whatever, but as he 268 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: read it, he became so inspired that it guided how 269 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: he ran Celestial Seasons. He he was inspired to name 270 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: the company based on this stuff he read in this book, 271 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: and he had quotes from the book on the products, 272 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,719 Speaker 1: and it was like the moral compass for himself and 273 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: his employees. This is not us casting aspersion. Mr Siegel 274 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: has said this multiple times. He is ted toes down. 275 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: He is on board. Uh. We even have a quote 276 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: from him where he talks about this, and he seems 277 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: very sincere. He says, I had wanted bold, I found bold. 278 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: I wanted spiritual adventure, and I was on the ride 279 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: of my life if I was searching for truth and 280 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: the book was loaded with it. Um. And like you're 281 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: getting to Ben, the Urantia book really is fodder for 282 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: its own episode. Um. But we'd like to describe it again, 283 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, objectively, without imposing any judgment of any kind 284 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: on it and misrepresenting the beliefs that are proposed within it. Uh. 285 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: So once again, let's let's let's let's Segel himself do 286 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: that job for us. He goes on to write, Lucifer, Satan, Meledic, Adam, 287 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: and Eve and Jesus are all extraterrestrial beings who have 288 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: visited earth. Okay, okay, I love me shout out man. 289 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: Is that it's some sort of spirit I imagine or 290 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: some sort of like like like a dibbit or something 291 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: like what is it? Like a priest of the Most 292 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: High God mentioned in the Old Testament, and he was 293 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: revered by Abraham. Abraham even like paid ties to this guy, 294 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: and he was both a king and a priest. There's 295 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: a lot of speculation about this dude, apocryphal uh and um, 296 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. You see, you see conversations about it 297 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: in all three of the Abramaic religions. But uh, I 298 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: I have some weird personal takes ondek which are not 299 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: for here. For some reason, I was I was misconstruing 300 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: that with mar Duck, who is a kind of like, uh, 301 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: a god from ancient Mesopotamia and and also has been 302 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, looked at as being something of a malevolent spirit. Yeah, 303 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: like a lot of the pre Christian gods. That guy 304 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: got kind of got his reputation spirit and became a demon. Right. 305 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: So so, by the way, I just wanted to really 306 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: quickly say that the dragon T is called Tension tamer Um, 307 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: so it's it's not you know, there are some kind 308 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: of Asian imagery like like like a temple kind of thing, 309 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: and like, uh, you know this sort of classic Chinese 310 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: looking dragon, but I'm not. I didn't want to imply 311 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: there was this apparently any kind of racial undertones in 312 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: that name. And it might not have been conscious either, 313 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: you know, just because we're talking about passage of of 314 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: um a span of decades. But yeah, the strangest strangest 315 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: origins right to the most common sounding or innoculous sounding things. 316 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: This book is long, as we said, and it's kind 317 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: of like think of it in quarters and four parts. 318 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: So the first three parts describe, uh, the metaphysical layout 319 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: of the universe. They don't mention T. I should say that, uh, 320 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: they are more about reality in the universe. And then 321 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: the last fourth is the as a recounting of the 322 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: life of Jesus Christ in detail. And uh, now the 323 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: book has been translated into twenty different languages, so if 324 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: you do not um. If you not easily read English, 325 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: never fear you will find an Arabic, Croatian, Chinese, Spanish. 326 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: Itally you name it, you know what I mean? Yeah, uh, 327 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: it's really it's I don't know, it's it seems like 328 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: a fun read to me, um in the way a 329 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: science fiction novel would be, because you know, it goes 330 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: into a lot of stuff. If there's like invisible angel 331 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: like preachers, the seraphim right, it it paints a world 332 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: that is much more interesting than the somewhat mundane place 333 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: that we find ourselves in. That that does have incredible 334 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: human beings doing all kinds of cool things and um, 335 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, mind blowing animals and plant life. But it's 336 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: just it's got this extra layer of excitement. I think 337 00:21:55,520 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: when you add that spiritual layer thinking about what humans 338 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: really are, right, this other spiritual side to all of us. Yeah, 339 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: in in this philosophy, um, folks like the Jesus Christ 340 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: of Christianity are. They're kind of like local representatives. And 341 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: there are multiple ones on multiple planets. There are billion worlds, 342 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: and when the universe wide evolution is complete, each of 343 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: those worlds will have ten a hundred thousand excuse me 344 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: local universes, each of which will have ten million inhabited planets. 345 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: Earth's real name again in this book is Urantia, and 346 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: it's number six hundred and six in a planetary group 347 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: called Satania spelled like Satan I A and uh. The 348 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: headquarters of this is Jerusalem. And when you die, you 349 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: actually get reincarnated on a different planet. You go planet 350 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 1: to planet to planet until you ascend to Paradise. Right. 351 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: So there's a little bit of Easter religion in here too, 352 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: and that's where you run into the final boss of everything, 353 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: known as the deity with a capital D. And uh. 354 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: You've been carrying a little piece this deity in you, 355 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: you know how. You'll hear other belief systems say everybody 356 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: has a piece of God in them, you know, and 357 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: that's like the soul. Well, that's your antis answer to this, 358 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: your deity that lives inside you, kind of like a 359 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: guardian angel or a symbiot, is called a thought adjuster. Uh, 360 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: I don't like that one sleepy time. T. Yeah, So 361 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: Seguel does you know clearly believe in this. He ultimately 362 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: shifted his focus from T altogether. He retired from celestial 363 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: seasonings in two thousand two and took over running the 364 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: RANTI of Foundation, went all in, went all in, And 365 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: at this time there haven't been you know, allegations of 366 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: a like gross mistreatment or anything, but they're uh. But 367 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would be surprised at 368 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: the origin story of something that is as uh seemingly 369 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: unobjectionable as a t company. And we're kind of easing in. 370 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: This is not the weird one. This is not the 371 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: weird We're oddly enough. Um, We're gonna pause for word 372 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: from our sponsors, and then we'll be back into the 373 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: world of education. Right, and we have returned, and we 374 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: are jumping into the world of education. We're also jumping 375 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: into a world that maybe dealing with some pretty intense 376 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: subjects like potential abuse of children. Uh, potential abuse like physical, mental, 377 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: and sexual abuse. So just be aware of that as 378 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: we jump into this. Uh. Parents out there, we are 379 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: talking about um an educational let's say, service piece of software. 380 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: So you might be very interested in it. You just 381 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: probably don't want your kids to be listening. So let's 382 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: let's talk about it. Let's talk about education and the 383 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: ASELLUS Academy. Yeah, okay, online learning tool made by private 384 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: company UH and sold to thousands of school districts across 385 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: the United States. And that's pretty common. You know, your 386 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: local school districts will always have contracts with third party 387 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: private entities that supply stuff a school needs to run, 388 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: whether you're talking about Cisco UH supplying food for the cafeteria, 389 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 1: whether you're talking about deals with textbook companies right like 390 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: Pearson to get all the biology textbooks out. That kind 391 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: of stuff very common. A sellers kind of fits into 392 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: that old into that rough category. It's parent company is 393 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: something called the International Academy of Science. Both as Cellists 394 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: and this International Academy are owned by a fellow named 395 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: Roger Billings. You may have never heard of. If you 396 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: ask Roger. He is a scientist, he is an entrepreneur, 397 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: and he is very much not the leader of an 398 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: offshoot of the Mormon Church which is called the Church 399 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ in Zion. Former members say he's very 400 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: much definitely in charge of it, and it is a 401 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,719 Speaker 1: polygamist cult. And there's a lot you should know. By 402 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: the way, Roger Billings, he's got an honorary doctorate, I 403 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: think that's what they called it from the International Academy 404 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: of Science, which sounds so legit if you just say 405 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: all those words together. I love science. What could go wrong? International? 406 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: And it's an academy. Yeah, and he owns it, yeah exactly. 407 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: Oh and they developed this thing called Excelis. Yeah, so 408 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: he's been He and his organizations have been accused of 409 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: some pretty nasty stuff, forcibly separating families, abusing children in 410 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: horrific ways, and forcing people to conduct unpaid labor, so 411 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: essentially enslaving people, and violently retaliating with any dissent or criticism. 412 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: They've got three big communities there, Missouri, and one of them, 413 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: how James Bond is this one of them is an 414 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: underground cavern system. The guy has an underground cave where 415 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: people think he does the majority of running his companies, 416 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: including a cellist one of Limestone. Yeah right, uh, people 417 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: in their sleep in bunkers. Basically they work for free. 418 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 1: And Billings has been accused of vigilantly scrolling through the 419 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: Internet to scrub it of any information that connects him 420 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: to Zion the Um religious sect and everybody again like again, 421 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: he says, no affiliate, he doesn't lead it or whatever. 422 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: But on the other side, everybody else from former members 423 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: of the organization to experts on cults say yes, he 424 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: still leads it, and the various objection will practices continue today? This? Uh, 425 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: this comes out. A lot of it came out, Um, 426 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: came to a public light due to some stuff that 427 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: went down with him in Hawaii's education system. Is this similar? 428 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: Is this in any way related to you know, being 429 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: a Zionist? You know he uses the term gets thrown 430 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: around a lot these days, and I think a lot 431 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: of people don't know what it means. I think it's 432 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: used somewhat loosely and offensively at times. Do I would say, 433 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: just from what I've read, No, doesn't have anything to 434 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: do with Zionism. Um, it's it's very different and it's 435 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: very weird. One of the some of those allegations that 436 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: the criticism that came up through Hawaii's education system because 437 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: it was widely accepted in Hawaii. A lot of that 438 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: came from allegations made by one of Billing's children. And 439 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: there's a blog post you can find. Uh. The original 440 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: one got deleted and then the archive dot org backup 441 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: got deleted, but then it got reposted again and you 442 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: can still find it. It's some pretty serious allegations, um, 443 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: and stuff that we talked about on this show a 444 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: lot when it comes to how a cult leader controls 445 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: human beings and what they do. But it goes pretty 446 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: in depth on some things, just practices of making sure 447 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: that the person who's running the show gets to kind 448 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: of be with whoever they want to be with, and 449 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: everybody else kind of has to tow a line when 450 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: it comes to relationships, when it comes to you know, 451 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: turning into an adult and the procedures that go down 452 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: that are not good. Yeah, and that's I mean, that's 453 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: really common. That's one of the more toxic behaviors of 454 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: cultic organizations. Right. Please do check out our video. It's 455 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: years old now, but it holds up like how to 456 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: start a cult, how to run it? Um, you will 457 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: you will see that a lot of these organisms, Like 458 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: just how fascism can't really be defined by singular ideology 459 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: and must be defined by its tactics. Cultic organizations are 460 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: best defined by their tactics, their practices. What they do 461 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: uh to eliminate the personalities and independence of their followers, 462 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: right and and further subsume their egos and their agency 463 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: into that of the of the leader. Billings does seem 464 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: to be doing this um at least according to his critics. 465 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: And again all the survivors, there's no one who's come 466 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,719 Speaker 1: out of this. Culton said, hey, it was great. It 467 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: was just the scheduling that got me because I go 468 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: bowling on Tuesdays. Nothing like that. It's it's much more sinister. 469 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: And the Hawaii thing actually came out because Wall Street 470 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: Journal ran a piece on this too. Uh, they had 471 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,959 Speaker 1: the parents and teachers and why he said, this program, 472 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: they're just there a cellist learning accelerator had a lot 473 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: of sexist and racist content in it that was being 474 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: taught to children, so they weren't like they learned of 475 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: the cultic connection after they said, what are you teaching 476 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: our children? You know, it's pretty pretty weird weird stuff. Ultimately, 477 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: it strikes me as just um, maybe amateurly done, like 478 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: some of the animation that's I've seen some videos of 479 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: the animation that's in there, of the voiceover work, just 480 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: the way it's built. It just feels like wasn't made 481 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: by professionals. And that's you know, no, I don't know 482 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: who you know, I don't know the individuals who actually 483 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: made those things, who recorded those things and animated them. 484 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: I just know that it feels like it was kind 485 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: of thrown together. Um, and maybe there wasn't a lot 486 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: of oversight when it came to some of the content. 487 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: That's what it feels to me. But it doesn't feel 488 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: like it's trying to indoctrinate anyone like at all. I 489 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: would not I would not characterize it as that agreed, right, Um. 490 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: One of I mean, for instance, one of the big 491 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: things in in the Hawaii case was the way the 492 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:41,239 Speaker 1: history of Hawaii was being presented, like a cellist was 493 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: telling children in the islands were discovered by Europeans in 494 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:50,719 Speaker 1: seventeen seventy eight. Anybody who has you know, who has 495 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: descended from the people of Hawaii knows that folks were 496 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,479 Speaker 1: living there thousands of thousands years before that, right. So 497 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,959 Speaker 1: it's um, they got accusations of whitewashing, right. And if 498 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: you've ever visited Hawaii, if you have family there, if 499 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: you yourself or Hawaiian, you know that is an incredibly, 500 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: that is a fundamental part of Hawaiian identity, the true 501 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: story of of Hawaiian past. So to sort of whitewash it, 502 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: it's a very very sensitive. Not a good look. Um, 503 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think you make an excellent, very fair point, Matt, 504 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: that there was not open indoctrination. People were just objecting 505 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: to using taxpayer dollars for this, and then they found 506 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: out about the cult, so it was very much a 507 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: butt weight. There's more moments, and if you want to 508 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: read the allegations that were put forward by Aaron Billings, 509 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: a child of Roger Billings, you can just search Aaron 510 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: Billings blog and hopefully you can find it. We found 511 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: it on Google Photos of all things, because someone made 512 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: them public and put it back up online right again. 513 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: People are you're you're gonna see that. There's a cycle 514 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: of stuff about this place getting posted and then removed 515 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 1: and then reposted. There's also a great, uh, a great 516 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: investigation by Sarah Emerson and Matthew Giles writing for one zeros. 517 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: Just through their names and one zero spelled written out 518 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: and you will you'll find it. And that might be 519 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: it might be an episode of its own. Um, it 520 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: might be an episode that finally lands us and papers 521 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: of note like the Washington Times, not to be confused 522 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: with the Washington Post. He has we've used the Washington 523 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: Types as a source before. Yeah, if they are, because 524 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: they're they're conservative paper out of d C. And they 525 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: have an emphasis on US politics. So sometimes so in 526 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 1: the past, I can't remember which stories it was specifically, 527 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: we were looking into, I think some controversies with some 528 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: US politicians, and they had some pretty good report on this. 529 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 1: I mean it was definitely slanted. They definitely have you know, 530 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: their agenda or their horse in the race, but they 531 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: had some good reporting and they have been considered a 532 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: paper of note. But they're they're pretty clear um in 533 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: terms of their focus and there the way they framed 534 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: perspectives right, like these are not the folks who are 535 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: going to be warning about the dangers of climate change 536 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: so much as the folks will be saying climate change 537 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: that's a little over hyped. It's that kind of paper. Uh. 538 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: It was also founded by the Unification Church. That sounds familiar. 539 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: What is that moon Moon Uh. It is an organization 540 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: that does not like being called a cult one. Uh. 541 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: It is not based in the US. It is based 542 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: in Korea. It was founded by a guy named Son 543 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:59,479 Speaker 1: Young Moon in ninety four. The Moonies. The Moonies owned 544 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: the Washing ten times. The movie It's kind of like 545 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: a sort of a dated organization. You hear you hear 546 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: it like referenced in like eighties movies a lot, but 547 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: you don't really hear it come up much. You know 548 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: these days, Am I right? They're they're still active, but yeah, 549 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: they're not in pop culture as much as they definitely were. 550 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: Like you don't you know in the days of Carson 551 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 1: you would hear moonies and had Krishna's referenced right often 552 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: in the same jokes for like passing out pamphlets at 553 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 1: the airport and stuff stuff like that. And uh, this 554 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: this group is probably during that time too, and there 555 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: were more in the zeitgeist. They were best known for 556 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 1: mass arranged marriages and you can see photos like tons 557 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: and tons, like more than a hundred couples getting married 558 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: at once. Uh. This is also a you could call 559 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: it new religious movement if you don't want to use 560 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: the word culture sect. Uh. This is what's called a 561 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: messiah claimant movement, which is the more academic way of 562 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: saying the purse the dude or duds the person in 563 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:12,240 Speaker 1: charge thinks that they are the Messiah, usually the second 564 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: Coming of Christ in some in some variety also just 565 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,879 Speaker 1: for the record. I feel like dude is a unisex 566 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: a unisex term here in American English. Yeah, I mean, well, 567 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: you know, the joke used to be dude and do 568 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: dat dudes and du dads, But now due ad is 569 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: like diminutive and kind of offensive. So I think I 570 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: think we can always say do you know, yeah, I 571 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: think it's even my kid confirms that she believes it's 572 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: non gendered. But what about bros Bro. It depends on 573 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: how you use it in the context. He does it 574 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: really does a lot of it has to do with Conda. 575 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: Can I say, really Coolly? You know my favorite Messiah 576 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: is I've been digging back into some some Stephen King's 577 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: short stories. Remember he who walks behind the rose Yeah, yeah, yeah, 578 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: adapted the Children in the Corn That that's the character 579 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: that the I mean the story was that a chy corps, 580 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: but he walks by the roses the the local can talk. 581 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 1: I think, you know, weirdo, you know demon Messiah that 582 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: these like feral uh fundamentalist children worship being sacrifice tourists too. 583 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: Yeah this, oh it's canto. Sorry, can talk in the 584 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: Stephen King universe is a big god. I think canto 585 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: is like a smaller. Well, we'll figure it out. It's 586 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: all cause a wheel. Uh yeah, no, I love that 587 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: stuff too. Like it's it's strange with this because we 588 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 1: see that colts often do kind of try to portray 589 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: their leader or their figurehead at least as divinely inspired 590 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: and possessed of supernatural abilities. And and the the Unification Church, 591 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: especially during Moon's lifetime, was very much in step with that. 592 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: He was based in the Christian by bole originally, but 593 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: then you know, kind of did his own thing very fleet, 594 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: went back, go your own way when you start a cult. Absolutely, 595 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 1: So this this isn't uh, this isn't a story the 596 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: Washington Times will tell you very often, you know, because 597 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: just like just like how Uni Lever would rather you 598 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: think Ben and Jerry's is its own thing. You know. 599 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: The key in journalism. The ideal in journalism is that 600 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: something should be relatively independent like Pro Publica. Look at 601 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: all the excellent work they do. But the reality is 602 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: a lot of these papers of note can be heavily 603 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: influenced by three big things. One, the political ideas and 604 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 1: other investments of their owners shout out to the hearst 605 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: enterprise to uh, the economic heft of their advertisers. That's 606 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,839 Speaker 1: a huge thing. And then of course three, the one 607 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: that people don't like to talk about, even in the States, 608 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: were freedom of press is a big thing. Uh, the 609 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: FBI C I A. I'll they have this network of 610 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: contacts where they go to the editors, or they go 611 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: to the shareholder, they go to the board and they say, Okay, 612 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,439 Speaker 1: you guys are a free press, so you're totally it's 613 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: we'd rather you not report some things, but if you must, 614 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: this is the way you're going to talk about them. 615 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: And they do it. Well, Um, just quickly, let's talk 616 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: about how this organization, this kind of strange organization, ended 617 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:35,399 Speaker 1: up creating a right wing newspaper. Well, there were missionaries, 618 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: the Moonies or moon himself sent to the United States 619 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: back in those times, the nineties sixties, when mines were 620 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 1: a little malleable in these ways at least over here. Uh, 621 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: and they established a pretty strong following in the US. 622 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,439 Speaker 1: And then they they've moved into basically I guess it's news. 623 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: I guess it's more of a media organization right then, 624 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: where they're they're doing all kinds of stuff, but mostly 625 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:07,399 Speaker 1: propaganda for themselves. Right, Yeah, Yeah, they want to have 626 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: a megaphone, They want to have allowed speaker right in 627 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: the field of public discourse. They've been pretty successful to 628 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: just through The Times for instance. As of last year, 629 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: the paper at a daily circulation of fifty people are 630 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: reading it, you know, and um, they can become a 631 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: thought leader in this space, especially with their demographic. But 632 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: still you have to ask yourself, Okay, is this just 633 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: a money making endeavor? Is this just a financial decision 634 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 1: to you know, support the continuation of the organization, which 635 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: happens all the time, or is this a way for 636 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: the message to spread? Right? What's the end goal? Is 637 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: it to make money or is it to grow the 638 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 1: organization or is it both? Um, that's that's the concern, 639 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 1: especially when you're talking about news. Right, Willed Washington Times 640 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 1: ever report a scandal in their parent organization? Maybe not? 641 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 1: Maybe not? And with that we're going to pause. These 642 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: are still not the weirdest ones, by the way, folks. 643 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: These are just kind of obstucating, uh, their ultimate owners. 644 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: But after a word from our sponsor, we're gonna go 645 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: to the dinner table. Yeah, maybe your grandmother's dinner table 646 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 1: and the deli, yeah, and the deli we're back. Okay, Onita, 647 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: New York. This one's for you. If you were from 648 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: this area, you already know what we're going to talk about. 649 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: But tell yourself it's because you have psychic powers instead 650 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 1: of you know, knowing one of the biggest stories to 651 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: come out of that part of the US. Onita Silverware 652 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 1: they make cutlery, knives, forks, spoons. You've probably seen sports, 653 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 1: maybe sports and I don't know class. Yeah, they're they're upscale, 654 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,719 Speaker 1: but they're kind of stayed, you know what I mean, 655 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: Like maybe like those serrated knives that come in kind 656 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 1: of a wooden case, you know, uh, set that you 657 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: see in like really fancy um table spread, photo, photography 658 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: for magazines, a lot of stuff like that. Yeah, And 659 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 1: you can go to their website which is just Onita 660 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: dot com and you can see any number of stuff 661 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,799 Speaker 1: they make, like just just for a quick snapshot. You know. 662 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:40,439 Speaker 1: They got different levels of sets you can buy. They're 663 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 1: Michelangelo fifty three piece flatwear set. Uh is apparently supposed 664 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: to be six hundred something dollars and now it's three 665 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:54,719 Speaker 1: hundred just in time for the holidays. Uh Yeah, silverware 666 00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: currently in my house. Thank you for the support. Yeah, 667 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: twenty piece set though of a fine flatwear service for 668 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: four for a mere one and fifty four dollars. That's 669 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: on the lower end. Know, yeah, they've they've they've got 670 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 1: something for everybody in the market, right, that's their idea. 671 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes the silverware sets are wedding gifts, right, 672 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 1: this is the kind of thing you might see on 673 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 1: a wedding registry. Uh. They're very well established there everywhere. 674 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,799 Speaker 1: But I would say they're nice. They're like, as you said, Matt, 675 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: they can be upscale. It's kind of like a little 676 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,759 Speaker 1: run in the mill, a bit stayed nowadays. It's it's 677 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: nice the way like a a Lincoln car might be, right, 678 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: you say, Okay, this is cool, but it might be 679 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of an older crowd, right, maybe more 680 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,280 Speaker 1: of a grandmother Lee demographic, you know. Yeah, for surely 681 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 1: they also have like you know, serving sets and things 682 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,400 Speaker 1: like that, a little bit more old school, right. And 683 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 1: I was even what I was saying earlier was was 684 00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 1: not even quite on the mark those serrated And I 685 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,839 Speaker 1: didn't eve and sell stake knives really. They mainly just 686 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 1: sell your traditional kind of table set and stuff. Yeah, 687 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,479 Speaker 1: And they have you know, knife sets, and and they've 688 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,879 Speaker 1: they've expanded because they've been around for so long. Uh. 689 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,799 Speaker 1: They were actually founded as a result of a crisis, 690 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,399 Speaker 1: because when the folks who would end up creating this 691 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,799 Speaker 1: silverware company got together, they were not concerned with the 692 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 1: state of cutlery in the United States. They were way 693 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: more into radicalizing fundamental opinions about relationships. Starch a guy 694 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 1: named John Humphrey Noise. Sadly that's noise in oh y 695 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,879 Speaker 1: e s. I think Noise would be a cool last name, 696 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:51,280 Speaker 1: just like sound. But he created this group, a commune 697 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: called the Oneita Community. This is probably its own episode. 698 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,920 Speaker 1: May have did something like this in ridiculous history. The 699 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: group never got really big at its height. We're talking 700 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 1: around three people, and they were scandalous in their day 701 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: because they practiced what they called complex marriage. Uh. Noise 702 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: also point free love. Yeah. As I say, complex marriage, 703 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:24,080 Speaker 1: sounds like a bit of a diplomatic term for something else. Yeah, right, 704 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,840 Speaker 1: it sounds like something the Uh like a royal biographer 705 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 1: who would be afraid of pissing off the crown. He 706 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 1: would say it was often noted that the king and 707 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,840 Speaker 1: his bride had a complex marriage. Yeah, it's like that 708 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 1: Facebook status. It's complicated. Oh yeah, so complex marriage is 709 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: the idea that love is great and you shouldn't restrict 710 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,799 Speaker 1: your affection to just one person, you know, society he's 711 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 1: got all these rules. Let's do free love, you know. Uh. 712 00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 1: And that meant that anyone could have a sexual relationship 713 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: with any other consenting person. In fact, monogamy was frowned upon. 714 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,719 Speaker 1: Monogamy was seen as kind of like selfish and self limiting. Uh. 715 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 1: But despite saying they were going to fight against the 716 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:20,280 Speaker 1: rules of the establishment, they they didn't go super free. 717 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 1: Actually they created their own system, a very complex and 718 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:30,719 Speaker 1: highly enforced rules. Uh. And it was in full disclosure. 719 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 1: It would be considered incredibly predatory and abusive today. If 720 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: you're an adolescent boy, you were told to engage in 721 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: sexual behavior with women over forty who function as mentors 722 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,279 Speaker 1: to you, so they would teach you religious principles, who 723 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,720 Speaker 1: would also initiate you into the world of sex. And 724 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,400 Speaker 1: the reason the women were supposed to be over forty 725 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:57,880 Speaker 1: is because, in John Humphrey Noise's opinion, that minimize the 726 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:02,480 Speaker 1: chance of the relationship resulting in pregnancy. And then older 727 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,160 Speaker 1: men were doing the same thing with adolescent females, and 728 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: as the head Haunt show noises, the one who often 729 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 1: declared who could sleep with whom? Yeah, that's also a 730 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: hallmark of the cult leader, isn't it. Mm hmmm. So, 731 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 1: as we see, there's this emphasis on controlling not just romance, 732 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: but controlling procreation. Right, So they practice a couple of 733 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,960 Speaker 1: different methods. You may have heard the phrase coitus interrupt 734 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,640 Speaker 1: us a k. The pullout method before right any number 735 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,000 Speaker 1: of times um as a lot of people can ensure 736 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 1: you from personal experience, that is not effective method. But 737 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 1: they also practice something that I think stood out to 738 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:54,240 Speaker 1: us called coitas reservist coitas reservatis weird Harry Potter spell. 739 00:48:55,080 --> 00:49:02,320 Speaker 1: So it sounds like expect rowneus coite just interrupt this. 740 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,440 Speaker 1: That's a really fun thing to yell out though in 741 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: that moment, Oh, in that moment exactly. Yeah, try to 742 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:21,160 Speaker 1: cast a list. But but so this reservotist idea was 743 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,480 Speaker 1: it was kind of based on these older religious or 744 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:32,800 Speaker 1: spiritual beliefs. I would I would say that m dude's ejaculation, 745 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:38,399 Speaker 1: a man's ejaculation was part of his virility, right, and 746 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 1: so by reserving that, by not actually reaching ejaculation. The 747 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:54,920 Speaker 1: the person who practiced this, uh practice, this would stay 748 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,800 Speaker 1: even more virile. Yeah. This is like the same concept 749 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 1: as like tan tric sex or whatever in the Eastern 750 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:09,600 Speaker 1: some Eastern cultures. Yes, of course. Yeah, the idea that 751 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,279 Speaker 1: by withholding or or holding back, I guess you are 752 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 1: in fact increasing your sexual prowess and strength. Yeah, so 753 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,319 Speaker 1: they were. They were into that. They had a lot 754 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,719 Speaker 1: of rules. Let's say, you do you do want to 755 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,520 Speaker 1: have a child, right, and you met someone you just 756 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,640 Speaker 1: know it's the perfect match. Well, then you and your 757 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 1: partner have to go to a committee. They loved committees 758 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,000 Speaker 1: in this community. You have to apply for permission. It 759 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:41,440 Speaker 1: was a whole thing. They also had these mutual criticism meetings, 760 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,360 Speaker 1: which were just like they sound, another effective way of 761 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,920 Speaker 1: controlling the minds of cult members. Uh so you might say, hey, guys, 762 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,080 Speaker 1: you're going into a lot of detail about this and 763 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 1: so far has nothing to do with silverware. Right. It 764 00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,239 Speaker 1: wasn't until the start of the Civil War that the 765 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,680 Speaker 1: group realized they were in hot water. This is all 766 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:08,200 Speaker 1: before the Civil War. This all happened. Yes, yes, uh 767 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,520 Speaker 1: so they had a lot of members. But when you 768 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,400 Speaker 1: join the organization, you give up the vast majority of 769 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: your of your personal property, right, all but the basics 770 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,960 Speaker 1: and another hallmark of a cult. Absolutely, And they had 771 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:28,160 Speaker 1: these members, but they had a huge financial problem. They 772 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,879 Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of cash. People had already given 773 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,440 Speaker 1: up their stuff, so they didn't have, you know, necessarily 774 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,160 Speaker 1: rich benefactors they could be brainwashed into footing the bill. 775 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,319 Speaker 1: So they said, we're gonna move as a unit. We're 776 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:44,120 Speaker 1: gonna exercise the power of the commune. Uh. They tried 777 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 1: to grow and sell fruit, but they were an upstate 778 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,200 Speaker 1: New York and the harsh winters made that difficult, so 779 00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:54,160 Speaker 1: they tried out some other things. They made leather bags, Uh, 780 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 1: they made different kinds of sort of fine fabrics, and 781 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,880 Speaker 1: then because the fur trade was really big, they made 782 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,880 Speaker 1: metal traps. No, it goes without saying that the the 783 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,719 Speaker 1: people of the community often weren't going to wear this 784 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,440 Speaker 1: finery themselves. Right, Just like how a lot of a 785 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,560 Speaker 1: lot of the regions of the world that produced the 786 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,480 Speaker 1: best coffee, the folks who actually work on those finka's 787 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,960 Speaker 1: or plantations, they rarely, if ever get to taste the 788 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,759 Speaker 1: coffee that they're growing. Same thing with chocolate. Uh, so 789 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,120 Speaker 1: they're kind of in a situation like that. Anyway, it's 790 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,279 Speaker 1: eighteen seventy seven. This stuff is helping him get by, 791 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,239 Speaker 1: but it's not really working out. And the communes and 792 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,960 Speaker 1: danger and there's a guy who was a member of 793 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,759 Speaker 1: the commune, Robert Whyland Smith. I want to say. He's 794 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,800 Speaker 1: sitting on this river bank while in away the day 795 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,719 Speaker 1: and before while he meant partying hard, he's just in 796 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,560 Speaker 1: a state arrest and more like the scarecrow. While in 797 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,400 Speaker 1: a way the hour is consulting with the flowers just so, 798 00:52:54,719 --> 00:53:00,000 Speaker 1: and he sees a silverware factory nearby and he literally thinks, hey, 799 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,640 Speaker 1: a we're on the same river. I thought we could 800 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,839 Speaker 1: make silverware. You know, we already make metal traps, we 801 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:13,000 Speaker 1: work with metal. Why not? And shortly thereafter Anita is 802 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,359 Speaker 1: full time into the silverware business and they're reaching a 803 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:22,640 Speaker 1: lot of success. But with their financial success came social unrest. 804 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:29,840 Speaker 1: The community collapsed because this was a controversial approach to romance. Uh. 805 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,040 Speaker 1: And you know, not to mention his child abuse. Uh. 806 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:39,240 Speaker 1: Local authorities started passing laws that explicitly banned the Anita 807 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:46,800 Speaker 1: Communes approach to relationships. Well, adultery was a crime, right, Yeah, 808 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,600 Speaker 1: so literally any of the activities outside of their marriage 809 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,919 Speaker 1: and with anyone in that community would have they could 810 00:53:53,920 --> 00:54:00,360 Speaker 1: have gotten some in some serious trouble. Yeah. Yeah, here's 811 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:06,640 Speaker 1: here's the The leader skips town. He's already not doing 812 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,880 Speaker 1: well health wise, who's actually deaf by this time. He 813 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,680 Speaker 1: just leaves, he ghost and he moves to Canada. Former 814 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,160 Speaker 1: members know something's in the wind. They know the thing 815 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,440 Speaker 1: is starting to things that are starting to fall apart. 816 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,320 Speaker 1: The center cannot hold you know, Falcon's purning, and a 817 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,160 Speaker 1: guy or and so on, and uh, they say, okay, 818 00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,240 Speaker 1: let's just have more traditional relationships. And so they partner 819 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,440 Speaker 1: up and they leave and they you know, start their 820 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:38,239 Speaker 1: own lives outside of this. Ultimately afterward people decide, hey, 821 00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,399 Speaker 1: we're going to start a corporation for the silverware which 822 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,879 Speaker 1: is still doing gangbusters. We're not a commune anymore. We're 823 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,680 Speaker 1: a silverware company. And so they they say, okay, let's see, 824 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,279 Speaker 1: let's figure out shares of this corporation. Uh, and it 825 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,799 Speaker 1: will be based on how much you originally contributed to 826 00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,359 Speaker 1: the community when you joined and gave up all your 827 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:04,319 Speaker 1: money and possessions, and then how hard you've worked at 828 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,239 Speaker 1: the silverware interest while you were a member, and in 829 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:13,440 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty Onita Community Limited was born. In all fairness, 830 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,440 Speaker 1: right now, if you go on the website, what you'll 831 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:20,000 Speaker 1: see is the company now has absolutely nothing to do 832 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,920 Speaker 1: with the practices of the commune. How hard you worked? 833 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,719 Speaker 1: Is that based on a specific metric of productivity or 834 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,800 Speaker 1: is that up to the bosses to determine. It's a 835 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,439 Speaker 1: little tough, because it's a good question. It's a little 836 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,120 Speaker 1: tough because a lot of folks were only working just 837 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,120 Speaker 1: a few hours a day, So you would have to 838 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,759 Speaker 1: without getting two into the nuts and bolts, uh, you 839 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,640 Speaker 1: would have to assume that they had a little bit 840 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,680 Speaker 1: of corruption or a little bit of nepotism. I'm thinking 841 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,600 Speaker 1: that the shares were probably more predicated, at least in 842 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,040 Speaker 1: most cases, on how much money somebody bought him when 843 00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:02,160 Speaker 1: they joined nice. It's like scientology role. You know. You 844 00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,520 Speaker 1: should be noted that when they were when the factory 845 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,040 Speaker 1: was up and running early on, the actual community members 846 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,319 Speaker 1: wouldn't be the ones working in the factory at least 847 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,479 Speaker 1: at most times, it would be hired help they came 848 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:17,600 Speaker 1: through and was actually running all the stuff. So it's 849 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,360 Speaker 1: interesting to think about. I wonder how much ownership everybody 850 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,960 Speaker 1: actually had, or you know, how much hard work everybody 851 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:30,400 Speaker 1: actually put in. It's interesting and this again maybe uh 852 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,799 Speaker 1: maybe a story that we've joined later. We do have 853 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,640 Speaker 1: to again note like unlike the Washington Times, unlike a 854 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,960 Speaker 1: couple of other companies are in conversation today, Anita by 855 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,520 Speaker 1: itself just has its origins in a religious sect. It 856 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:49,120 Speaker 1: is no longer doing that today. But let's say, let's 857 00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,480 Speaker 1: go to something different. Since we're already at a at 858 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,400 Speaker 1: a dinner table or a lunch table, and we're already 859 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,359 Speaker 1: met a you know, thinking of cutlery, Uh, why don't 860 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,080 Speaker 1: we think about sandwiches? Who does and love a good deli? 861 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,680 Speaker 1: Ever been to the Yellow Deli website? We mentioned this 862 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,000 Speaker 1: briefly in a in a past conversation. Reminds me of 863 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,120 Speaker 1: the Hello Deli, which is next to where the ten 864 00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,719 Speaker 1: where the the Late Show David Letterman was shot, and 865 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,799 Speaker 1: he would always go down there and didn get you know, 866 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,280 Speaker 1: mess with the guys at the Hello Deli. This is 867 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,160 Speaker 1: not that the Yellow Deli. Um, yeah, it's it just 868 00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,800 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, on first glance, seems like sort 869 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:30,840 Speaker 1: of a hippie themed delicatessen vibe Um, which wouldn't be 870 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,360 Speaker 1: too far off if you read there about us section 871 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,560 Speaker 1: on their website, which reads as follows, one day in 872 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,479 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, a few zealous people have the thought 873 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,160 Speaker 1: they could open a little place where people could come 874 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,439 Speaker 1: and sit down, not feel rushed to leave. People could 875 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,880 Speaker 1: ask questions if they wanted to, and could find a 876 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,320 Speaker 1: little refuge from the pressures of life. Well, sometimes it 877 00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,800 Speaker 1: is hard to even find someone to talk to about 878 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:59,680 Speaker 1: our troubles being believers, these young zella's does that word again? Uh? 879 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,160 Speaker 1: Knew that there really are answers to the troubles of many. Wait, 880 00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,800 Speaker 1: this doesn't sound what This isn't a deli. This is 881 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,200 Speaker 1: a deli talk. But what do they do? They have 882 00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,880 Speaker 1: boar's head, do they have their own other proprietary types 883 00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:16,520 Speaker 1: of meats? It's yellow deli talk. Yeah they are. I 884 00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,280 Speaker 1: like that they put this on their on their website 885 00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,400 Speaker 1: because what they're saying is they're acknowledging, yes we are 886 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,080 Speaker 1: we are a deli, but we are a community, a 887 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,200 Speaker 1: commune right of people united by the same belief. And 888 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,240 Speaker 1: they even address how the employees lived together in addition 889 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:39,000 Speaker 1: to working together, and it goes into some detail on 890 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:44,600 Speaker 1: the scriptural basis of their beliefs. Because the Yellow Deli 891 00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,360 Speaker 1: was established by the leaders of a religious sect called 892 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:53,080 Speaker 1: the Twelve Tribes. Twelve Tribes comes out of an earlier 893 00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:57,000 Speaker 1: thing called the Jesus Movement, which was very focused on 894 00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:01,560 Speaker 1: the Book of Acts and the Twelve Tribes. Vibes says, Look, 895 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:06,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna try to accelerate the return of the Messiah, 896 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,560 Speaker 1: or I should say, we're gonna hopefully make the return 897 00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:14,360 Speaker 1: of the Messiah more welcoming by recreating the twelve ancient 898 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:18,120 Speaker 1: tribes of Israel. How do you recreate that? He had 899 00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:24,200 Speaker 1: a lot of locations. Yeah, there's one in Brunswick, Georgia. 900 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,640 Speaker 1: There's one, I think. Yeah, you don't see Savanna. I see, 901 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,760 Speaker 1: Chattanooga is real close to here. Chattanyuga is the one 902 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,840 Speaker 1: I've seen before him. Yeah, but then there then they 903 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:39,200 Speaker 1: got some in Argentina as one in Australia, Brazil, British Columbia. Um, 904 00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,560 Speaker 1: let's see Manitoba, lots in Canada, there's one in Japan. 905 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,800 Speaker 1: They've got too, in Spain and in quite a few, 906 00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,800 Speaker 1: you know, just one in the United Kingdom in Honiton, 907 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,400 Speaker 1: in the UK wherever the hell that is. Uh, and 908 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,040 Speaker 1: then you know tons and not tons about you know 909 00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,760 Speaker 1: ten or twelve or so in the in the US. Yeah. 910 00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,720 Speaker 1: As of just a couple of years ago, the Twelve 911 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Tribes the movement had about three thousand members acknowledged in 912 01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:12,840 Speaker 1: fifty different communities around the world. Uh. They have been 913 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:18,880 Speaker 1: under fire, unfortunately for some things, including allegations that they 914 01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,560 Speaker 1: have mistreated children, not the way the Anita Commune did, 915 01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,680 Speaker 1: but more by um practicing a spare of the rod 916 01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:31,280 Speaker 1: spoiled the child approach to education and discipline. There have 917 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:36,280 Speaker 1: been accusations of daily beatings, of forced labor unpaid in factories, 918 01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:42,000 Speaker 1: and they respond to this on their about page UM 919 01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,680 Speaker 1: the way that sounds pretty nice, saying sadly, fear of 920 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,880 Speaker 1: evil or perverse behavior going on among us has caused 921 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,800 Speaker 1: some to circulate unfounded rumors about us, thinking we must 922 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,560 Speaker 1: have bad motives. We hope that through having an open 923 01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,040 Speaker 1: and hospitable place like our Yellow Deli, people will be 924 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,800 Speaker 1: able to see that are not really strange and scary, 925 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,240 Speaker 1: but just friendly folks who love God and our neighbors. 926 01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:10,280 Speaker 1: We're just friendly and scary. It's strange, not strange at all. Uh, 927 01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,520 Speaker 1: They've got some cute little little logos at the bottom 928 01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,440 Speaker 1: of their page. Two, they've got one that's like two 929 01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,640 Speaker 1: sheep holding hands and the arms trying to That's kind 930 01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:24,120 Speaker 1: of weird, that's sheep, given the reputation of sheep as animals, 931 01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,560 Speaker 1: you know, being like you know, blind followers or whatever. 932 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,480 Speaker 1: And then they've got another one that's like a rocking 933 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,760 Speaker 1: chair with an acoustic guitar and a mandolin draped over it, 934 01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:37,520 Speaker 1: and like an old pair of boots, worn laced boots 935 01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,720 Speaker 1: at the bottom of it. Very it is very homey um. 936 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,760 Speaker 1: And they emphasize that their sandwiches are are freshly hot 937 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,320 Speaker 1: steamed sandwiches, which is an old school style of of 938 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:53,560 Speaker 1: of Delhi service. And the menu really has that sixties 939 01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:58,120 Speaker 1: seventies aesthetic vibe. I do want to say, also, you 940 01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,760 Speaker 1: know what, this reminds me of some of some similar 941 01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:06,919 Speaker 1: outfits here in Atlanta, Like I have a long time 942 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,000 Speaker 1: been a customer of a place called Soul Vegetarian, which 943 01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:14,400 Speaker 1: got which has two outfits here that I remember in 944 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:20,920 Speaker 1: in our fair metropolis. And Soul Vegetarian is an extension 945 01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:26,080 Speaker 1: of the Hebrew Israelites. You guys, have you guys been 946 01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,360 Speaker 1: to soul Vegetarian? I have, I would have heard of it, 947 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,080 Speaker 1: and I've heard actually quite good things about it. There 948 01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,920 Speaker 1: are several um vegetarian vegan restaurants in this city that 949 01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:40,400 Speaker 1: have an interesting connection to a very small religious movement. Yes, yeah, 950 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:47,040 Speaker 1: that's true. And um this uh soul vegetarian. They are 951 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:53,080 Speaker 1: vegan comfort food basically were in Virginia Highlands, right, there's 952 01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,560 Speaker 1: one there, there's one on the west side, and they're 953 01:02:55,560 --> 01:03:00,600 Speaker 1: out of the Hebrew Israelite community of Jeru s that's 954 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:06,160 Speaker 1: what it's called. There is a very sectarian UM church 955 01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:10,120 Speaker 1: in Augusta where I'm from, called the International House of 956 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:14,920 Speaker 1: Prayer for All People. Um, it is a Christian you know, 957 01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,040 Speaker 1: themed the wrong word, but it is is a Christian sect. 958 01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,080 Speaker 1: But but there's a leader and they there's all this. 959 01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,600 Speaker 1: They are all these like portraits of this guy and 960 01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,320 Speaker 1: he got really long nails. He doesn't cut his nails. 961 01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,040 Speaker 1: And apparently there's I don't know, I haven't confirmed this, 962 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:34,080 Speaker 1: but like they they'll wash his feet and bottle the water, 963 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,240 Speaker 1: uh and and sell the foot water. But here's the thing. 964 01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:43,120 Speaker 1: It has the most incredible soul food cafe. That's open 965 01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,200 Speaker 1: to the public connected to it with the best corn 966 01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:50,680 Speaker 1: bread and like collars and just really really amazing Southern food. 967 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,200 Speaker 1: And it's obviously a gateway in, you know, for for 968 01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,080 Speaker 1: the public at large. You know, you go in wanting 969 01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,000 Speaker 1: to get some shrimp and grits, and maybe he leaves 970 01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:04,760 Speaker 1: slightly indoctrinated. Checkers was right, you gotta eat you You 971 01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:09,160 Speaker 1: get people through those appeals to universal needs and commonalities. 972 01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,720 Speaker 1: I do want to go back and just say real quick, yeah, 973 01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:17,960 Speaker 1: I um, there have been multiple accusations of anti Semitism 974 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:22,000 Speaker 1: on the on the Black Hebrew Israelite community. Uh, when 975 01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,280 Speaker 1: I've been there, it's been perfectly fine. As a matter 976 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,800 Speaker 1: of fact, my only complaint is that is that there's 977 01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,560 Speaker 1: not ice in the water. You know, on the list 978 01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,640 Speaker 1: of problems, I understand it's a very low priority. I've 979 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,160 Speaker 1: just said it gets hot here in the summer. But 980 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:43,400 Speaker 1: that's so that's interesting because in justin talking about Yellow Delli, 981 01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,960 Speaker 1: we have already found two examples, We've had personal experience 982 01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,720 Speaker 1: with two examples of other the other organizations they're doing 983 01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:56,200 Speaker 1: something very similar. This shows you how common it can 984 01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,960 Speaker 1: be for a religious sect to reach out to people 985 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,080 Speaker 1: in that way or to support themselves. Now, there's so 986 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:07,080 Speaker 1: many we didn't get to. We Um talked about Narconon previously, 987 01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,840 Speaker 1: will probably save that for a part two. Uh. And 988 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:15,200 Speaker 1: in just a few examples we've explored today, we've seen 989 01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:19,040 Speaker 1: to have some commonalities that should be addressed. First, is 990 01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,960 Speaker 1: there anything wrong with a company being found out on 991 01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:27,120 Speaker 1: spiritual and religious principles? No, it's fine. Millions of groups 992 01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,520 Speaker 1: across the world do this every day, a ton of them, 993 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:34,200 Speaker 1: I would even say the majority probably completely above board. 994 01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:39,240 Speaker 1: And you can't discriminate against anyone for their personal beliefs, 995 01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:43,000 Speaker 1: unless again they're harming someone else or they're trying to 996 01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,200 Speaker 1: force those beliefs on you. Then just don't don't mess 997 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,960 Speaker 1: with them. It's not worth it. And then secondly, you 998 01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,880 Speaker 1: know what I was thinking, a lot of the folks 999 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,080 Speaker 1: who were employees with these companies, especially the bigger ones, 1000 01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:01,960 Speaker 1: it's highly likely they're not member of an organization, and 1001 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,120 Speaker 1: they might not even know about the affiliation or the 1002 01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,240 Speaker 1: origin story. But one thing that's for sure is there 1003 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,280 Speaker 1: are a lot of companies like this out here, and 1004 01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:14,800 Speaker 1: in many cases, their true affiliations right now remain the 1005 01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,240 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Also, godn't want 1006 01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,400 Speaker 1: a sandwich now about you guys, Yeah, I'm hungry. I 1007 01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:25,680 Speaker 1: don't know if you guys have been through LaGuardia Airport recently, 1008 01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,840 Speaker 1: but like for a while, it was just this endless 1009 01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,480 Speaker 1: um construction, Like it seems suspicious how long that play 1010 01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,280 Speaker 1: has been in a construction. But they finally finished Terminal C, 1011 01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,880 Speaker 1: and they've got like some legit New York food options 1012 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,440 Speaker 1: there now. And there's this one place that's like a 1013 01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,520 Speaker 1: like a classic you can get like a classic Italian 1014 01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,800 Speaker 1: HOGI with like you know, sesame seeds and the provolone 1015 01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,840 Speaker 1: and all the things with like rugula and like broccoli 1016 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,160 Speaker 1: rob and mean whatever. It's Oh my god, it's a 1017 01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,960 Speaker 1: whole new ballgame at LaGuardia, y'all. It's great. I was 1018 01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:00,440 Speaker 1: at LaGuardia just yesterday and they had it was so 1019 01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,440 Speaker 1: much smoother, you know. I was I was thinking, like, 1020 01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,560 Speaker 1: what kind of dangerous game am I playing? With the 1021 01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,040 Speaker 1: New York airports here? Right? You still have to take 1022 01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,200 Speaker 1: a tram to to the taxi station and the ubers 1023 01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,280 Speaker 1: and stuff, and now it's just right outside. I was like, 1024 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,960 Speaker 1: I've been flying into JFK because Lagaria was such a show, 1025 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,160 Speaker 1: but now it's like, might just change that up? I think, 1026 01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,320 Speaker 1: I like, yeah, I think the move is to go 1027 01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,760 Speaker 1: with Laguardi because constructions started at JFK. The reason we're 1028 01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,000 Speaker 1: mentioning LaGuardia is because we wanted to end on this. Uh. 1029 01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:34,520 Speaker 1: As you probably know, folks, LaGuardia is wholly owned by 1030 01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,160 Speaker 1: former members of the Manson family. Don't fact check us. 1031 01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:43,880 Speaker 1: Just have a great weekend, Matt. No, I'm sorry, I'm kidding. 1032 01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:54,040 Speaker 1: I think Okay, okay, alright, yeah, Famous Airlines, Magnate, the 1033 01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:59,800 Speaker 1: Squeaky from So yeah, we're we're gonna have a part 1034 01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,560 Speaker 1: you of this, maybe a part three. We would love 1035 01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,720 Speaker 1: your help let us know about some more organizations that 1036 01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:12,120 Speaker 1: have similar connections. We think it is important for this 1037 01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,480 Speaker 1: to be something that people can be aware of, you 1038 01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,040 Speaker 1: know what I mean, whether you're talking sandwiches, whether you're 1039 01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:24,760 Speaker 1: talking uh educational online learning tools. Who knew about that? 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