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Speaker 1: they pan out, which is why this is a question

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Speaker 1: and not a doubt.

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Speaker 2: Lastly, let's go to the Great.

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Speaker 1: State of Wisconsin, not to talk about Cheddar, but to

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Speaker 1: talk about quarterback position and an offense in general. So

439
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Speaker 1: last year they bring in Tanner Mordecai, right, and they

440
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Speaker 1: bring in Phil Longo coordinator. They're bringing Mordecai at quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and it was just kind of I don't know. It

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Speaker 1: was not a terrible year, but it wasn't great. I

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Speaker 1: don't feel like at any point last year you would

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Speaker 1: have looked at Wisconsin and readily been able to sum

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Speaker 1: up what their identity is.

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Speaker 2: And that's not what they were going for. And we

447
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Speaker 2: had Luke.

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Speaker 1: Fickel on the show last year Spring Slash Summer, and

449
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Speaker 1: remember I asked him, what will the identity of this

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Speaker 1: team be? Is it true that it's going to be

451
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Speaker 1: a pretty radical overhaul, and he said, yeah, people might

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Speaker 1: as well get ready for that. In terms of what

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Speaker 1: you know about Wisconsin football, it'll be a pretty radical overhaul. Well,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't always finish in one year, so year two.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times you'll hear a coach say, oh, candidly,

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Speaker 1: you know, we didn't really get everything we want installed

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Speaker 1: year one, culture wise, system wise, well, year two, you

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Speaker 1: don't really get to say it's taken us over two

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Speaker 1: years to get everything installed. They brought Tyler Van Dyke

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Speaker 1: up there from Miami. That's the quarterback this year, and

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Speaker 1: you just blindly tell me Luke Fickle with a full

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Speaker 1: year under his belt going into year two. I feel

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Speaker 1: good about it because I think the guy's earned benefit

464
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Speaker 1: of the doubt. What he did at Cincinnati was incredible,

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Speaker 1: and I think they'll be improved this year. But offensively,

466
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Speaker 1: like what are they like? What do they want to be?

467
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Speaker 1: Has his mind changed it all from this time last year.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm watching with them. We roll on, got

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Speaker 1: a help the amount of folks watching. I know there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff out there happening.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 1: I know, hey, hey, that's why we do the show,

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Speaker 1: and we keep it ready for you if you want

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Speaker 1: to listen to it or watch it the next morning.

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Speaker 1: You know, not too much has changed overnight normally, but

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you however you watch and listen and wherever

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Speaker 1: you watch and listen. Now, obviously somebody has been watching

478
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Speaker 1: or listening to my thoughts on a certain head coach,

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Speaker 1: because I've gotten over the span of about the past

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Speaker 1: two weeks, several questions about this guy, and so I thought, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Jesse and Colin, let's just throw this in the Sunday

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Speaker 1: Night show. So it's who would you think it's about?

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Speaker 1: As I apply the lip bomb here, who would you

484
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Speaker 1: think it's about? Well, it could be three guys, and

485
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Speaker 1: we spin the magic wheel and it lands on the

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Speaker 1: guy in Baton Rouge. So, Brian Kelly is very very

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Speaker 1: interesting as a name that's just thrown about in conversation

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Speaker 1: amongst the college football public.

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Speaker 2: I had this question from Gerald.

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Speaker 1: It said, am I the only non LSU fan that

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Speaker 1: thinks Brian Kelly's a great coach? Whind if so many

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Speaker 1: people seem to hate the guy, Gerald, I don't think

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Speaker 1: a ton of people do. I just think that there

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Speaker 1: is a crowd out there that's very vocal. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: I tried to coin a phrase the other day. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to see if it sticks. It's still really early,

497
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Speaker 1: but we'll see if it sticks. So it is my

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Speaker 1: belief that most people don't either hate Brian Kelly or

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Speaker 1: don't even think ill of him. I don't think they

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Speaker 1: don't look down on him. I think the ten or

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Speaker 1: trash crowd is very loud. The ten or trash crowd

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Speaker 1: is the crowd that thinks you've either won a national

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Speaker 1: championship or your trash. And that crowd, all though small

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Speaker 1: in numbers, they're very vocal. And Brian Kelly or Lincoln

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Speaker 1: Riley or Ryan Day they get targeted a lot by

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Speaker 1: the ten or trash crowd. I would have Brian Kelly

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Speaker 1: in the like four to evan range of active head

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Speaker 1: coaches if I just did power ratings, which will probably

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Speaker 1: end up doing on the show in the not too

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Speaker 1: distant future.

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Speaker 2: I'd have Brian Kelly somewhere like four to.

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Speaker 1: Seven or four to eight in the head coaching rankings

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Speaker 1: in college football. I think most people would agree with that,

514
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Speaker 1: but the people who didn't agree with it would shout

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Speaker 1: really really quick and that say no, he's overrated. And

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Speaker 1: then you know, our good old friend off to the side,

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Speaker 1: Carl casual over here.

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Speaker 2: He'd come in and say, what does he won?

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Speaker 1: What does he won? Josh? And at that point you've

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Speaker 1: already got him, even though he doesn't know it. So

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Speaker 1: what he would mean by that is, Brian Kelly hasn't

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Speaker 1: won a national championship? How could he be somewhere between

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Speaker 1: the fourth and the eighth best head coach in America?

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Speaker 1: And I would say, Carl, Carl, could you name me

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Speaker 1: the current active head coaches hoops to have won national titles?

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Speaker 1: And Carl would go and he would forget about Mac

527
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Speaker 1: Brown and he would be able to name Kirby and

528
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Speaker 1: he'd take him a second, but then he remember Dabbo

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Speaker 1: won a couple, and I would say, Carl, Even going

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Speaker 1: by that logic, if I ranked Brian Kelly between four

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Speaker 1: and eight, there aren't at least four head coaches out

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Speaker 1: there who are active with a national title. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, Carl, if the sole metric you want to

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Speaker 1: go off of is national championships one, where are you

535
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Speaker 1: putting Mac Brown? You're really putting Mack Brown in the

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Speaker 1: top three of active head coaches? Is that something you

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Speaker 1: want to look me in the eye and tell me

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Speaker 1: you're doing. Carl would go, I got a call, I

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Speaker 1: got a call. Hold on, hey, babe, Carl single. He's

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Speaker 1: not talking to anyone. But Carl would wrap himself into

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Speaker 1: a pretzel intellectually and he would start talking nonsense. Here's

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Speaker 1: the fact of the matter. Brian Kelly hasn't won a

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Speaker 1: national championship, but he's a really good coach, just like Riley,

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Speaker 1: just like Ryan Day. They don't have to have a

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Speaker 1: national championship ring on your finger to be a really

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Speaker 1: good coach. Here's the wild part though, For the crowd

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Speaker 1: that is ten or trashed in nature, for the crowd

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Speaker 1: that thinks you got to have a championship ring on

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Speaker 1: your finger to validate your existence as a good head coach,

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Speaker 1: I could pose an ab scenario to these people. Scenario

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Speaker 1: A is Brian Kelly wins double digit games the next

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Speaker 1: three years, goes to the playoff.

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Speaker 2: Every year, but doesn't win a title.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Scenario B is he goes ten and three next year,

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Speaker 1: backs his way into the playoff and LSU makes a

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Speaker 1: run as the ten seed and wins it all. Then

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Speaker 1: they finished sub five hundred the next two years. This

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Speaker 1: crowd would take scenario B and in their mind that

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Speaker 1: scenario where two out of the three years were sub

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Speaker 1: five hundred at LSU, but one of them happened to

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Speaker 1: be lightning in a bottle national championship bring. They would

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Speaker 1: say that elevates Brian Kelly as a head coach. But

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Speaker 1: double digit wins three years in a row with three

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Speaker 1: back to back to back playoff appearances, I doesn't do

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Speaker 1: anything much for me. Insanity, total insanity. So anyway, I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's the majority, Garrett, I think that's the minority.

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Speaker 1: Here's the shame of it all. You want to ring

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Speaker 1: the shame bell. The shame of it all is if

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Speaker 1: I were to tell you a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: when Brian Kelly was being hired that in year two

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Speaker 1: he was going to have a Heisman Trophy winning quarter

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Speaker 1: at LSU, you and I would both think national championship.

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Speaker 1: Why because history has told us there's a certain baseline

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Speaker 1: of defensive performance you can just take for granted at LSU, Like,

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Speaker 1: even if they're not going to be elite, it's Louisiana

576
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Speaker 1: State Shortainly, they're gonna have defensive linemen just crawling out

577
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Speaker 1: of the woodwork. Defensive backs being a problem at LSU,

578
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Speaker 1: absolutely not. And yet they lost what Jesse three games

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Speaker 1: last year with a Heisman Trophy winning quarterback. That's the

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Speaker 1: shame of it all. That was the shot he had.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you give me a top twenty five defense,

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Speaker 1: top thirty defense at LSU last year, they may very

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Speaker 1: well have won the national championship. Remember JP Pole, we

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Speaker 1: still had them top ten. I don't think you guys

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Speaker 1: remember this. I told you because we partnered with FanDuel,

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Speaker 1: and I told you a lot of times. I can

587
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Speaker 1: hit up FanDuel and I can say, here's what my

588
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Speaker 1: model would make a game today if they played it

589
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Speaker 1: on a neutral field. What would you guys have? They

590
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Speaker 1: had LSU at the end of the year favored over

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Speaker 1: a lot of team. They had LSU favored over some

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Speaker 1: teams that made the playoff. They had LSU favorite over

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Speaker 1: a team that went to the national title game. So

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Speaker 1: LSU good team last year, but very very limited because

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Speaker 1: defensively they were well, they were wet garbage. That's what

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Speaker 1: they were last year. But in fairness, now, in fairness,

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Speaker 1: they as a program made the necessary moves staff wise.

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Speaker 1: It's the most improved side of the ball in the

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Speaker 1: country when you're talking about coaching upgrades, So good on them.

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Speaker 1: Wish it would have been there last year. Let's keep

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Speaker 1: moving right along, Healthy Pace on the show tonight, Healthy Pace.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys watching us wherever you are. Make sure

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Speaker 1: you're subscribed to the channel. Make sure you're subscribed to

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Speaker 1: that podcast feed, cause some of the stuff we do

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Speaker 1: only pops up in the pod feed and some of

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Speaker 1: the stuff we do only pops up on the YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: So it is just a safe proposition in life to

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Speaker 1: be subscribed to both. You know, we got some quarterback

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Speaker 1: battles every spring. That's one of the most it's fun

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Speaker 1: things to talk about who's going to win a starting

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Speaker 1: quarterback job? And this is college football, so normally I

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Speaker 1: can have like three pieces of paper in front of

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Speaker 1: me full of nothing but quarterback battles. And there's a

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Speaker 1: strange thing happening right now. I had one of you

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Speaker 1: hit me up and asked if I could break this

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Speaker 1: stuff down. Sure we can, but look around the country

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Speaker 1: right now, where are the major quarterback battles? Like at

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. Yes, I think there's an open quarterback competition,

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Speaker 1: but that's exactly what I said. That's exactly what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I mean Ryan Day has several guys on his roster,

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Speaker 1: two in particular in Devin Brown, who's been there for

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Speaker 1: a while, and Will Howard, who they just brought in. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so Ohio State fans are convinced Will Howard is going

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Speaker 1: to be their starting quarterback. I am too, But that

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it's not an honest to god open

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Speaker 1: quarterback competition. It just means it's open and there's an

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Speaker 1: overwhelming favorite. But I do agree with you guys. If

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Speaker 1: you tell me, hey, Will Howard man, if he's healthy,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna win that job, I think you will too.

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Speaker 1: I also think Devin Brown's got a really, really good

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Speaker 1: fighter's attitude about him. It's good to have guys like

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Speaker 1: that in locker room. There's absolutely no benefit announcing a

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Speaker 1: starter right now, and I don't expect that, but I

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Speaker 1: think that that one overwhelmingly has a favorite in it.

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Speaker 1: What about Michigan, Michigan just up the road, you know,

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Speaker 1: you go quarterbacks and defense in the Big Ten. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of the way it's smart to look at that conference.

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Speaker 1: We may have Will Howard and that defense at Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: we may have Drew Aller and that defense. At Penn State, Well,

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Speaker 1: are we gonna have Alex Orgy and that defense at Michigan.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of the way you can look around the conference, like,

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Speaker 1: what if we have Dylan Royola and that Nebraska defense.

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Speaker 1: So at Michigan, JJ McCarthy's gone. I think that's what

644
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Speaker 1: America knows. I don't think America from a casual perspective

645
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Speaker 1: has tuned in and understand what the quarterback situation there is.

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Speaker 1: Alex Orgie looks like the likely QB one there. But

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Speaker 1: if you just go by seniority, if you just go

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Speaker 1: by experience, well then you're looking at you know, Jack Tuttle,

649
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Speaker 1: who who is a seventh year guy. I believe Orgy

650
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: to me would be the guy. So that's the one

651
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: I've circled. He's inexperienced, You're ceiling in terms of what

652
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: it takes to win the conference is probably only high

653
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: enough with him. Now, the trade off, as is often

654
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: the case in this sport, is you probably have a

655
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: lot more fluctuation. You probably have a lower floor with him.

656
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: Tuttle's a solid guy who would you know, probably make

657
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: sure that you don't lose to Purdue. I don't even

658
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: know if they play perdue, but probably also not going

659
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: to be able to beat Ohio State Orgy. Probably at

660
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: the end of the year. Has the ability skill wise,

661
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: if that defense plays up to par, to do some

662
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: things maybe as a team with him at quarterback that

663
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: they couldn't do without him. That's at least the way

664
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: I feel in spring. What about Auburn biggest question on

665
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: that team quarterback? Will there be a competition? Though you

666
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: know the position being a question mark doesn't mean that

667
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: there's a massive competition. Peyton Thorn was the starter last year.

668
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: He had what was it five games where he threw

669
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: for under one hundred yards, So last year they were

670
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: Auburn was last in the SEC in past yards per game.

671
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: That just can't continue under Hugh Freeze. True, there are

672
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: few truths in an uncertain world, but one is I

673
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: think that can't continue. But what's going to happen. Is

674
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: Walker White going to come in as a freshman and

675
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: overtake him? I don't think.

676
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: So Here's what I think would be fair to expect.

677
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: Number One, Auburn will just blanketly improve year over year

678
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: offensively under Hugh Freeze. I am going to believe that

679
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: because it's Hugh Freeze number two. I remember in twenty

680
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: twenty one we watched Peyton Thorn do some pretty good

681
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: things at Michigan State. Now that's a long time ago,

682
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: but it is a fact that that guy Peyton Thorn

683
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: did those things once upon a time at Michigan State.

684
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: Somewhere in there.

685
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: He's still capable of that if.

686
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: He's given the right circumstances, a situation, he's capable of that.

687
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: Auburn's over under win total seven and a half. We've

688
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: got the whole year one to year two things. They

689
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: got some good wide receiver talent. They just have to

690
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: get it done at quarterback. But still would we call

691
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: that an open competition? I wouldn't. Hugh Freeze is not

692
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: right now listening to him talk. So there's that. We're

693
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: still searching. What about Florida. I know some people are

694
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: going to try and make more of this than there is.

695
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: So I know, from a you know, like a probably

696
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: not fifty thousand, but maybe twenty five thousand foot view,

697
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: you guys saw Florida last year and they were bad,

698
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: and then you see they bring in DJ Lagway, the

699
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: crown jewel at quarterback of the recruiting class, and you think, oh,

700
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: that guy's got to start as a true freshman. Well

701
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: no he doesn't, cause Graham Mertz came back. Well Josh, yeah,

702
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: But I mean, what is Graham Merch really? They were

703
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: terrible last year as a team. They were he was

704
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: not He was really good, seventy three percent completion guy,

705
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: twenty nine hundred yard passer, twenty to three touchdown to

706
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: I int ratio like he was good last year, and

707
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: so hey around him, they were nothing to write home about.

708
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: But DJ Lagway's in a really good spot here. This

709
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: is not an open quarterback competition in the classical sense.

710
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: To me, it's a situation where you got a guy

711
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: who's really experienced. They nailed it in their evaluation of him.

712
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 1: Napier and his staff knew exactly what they were doing there,

713
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: and so DJ Lagway gets to come in and not

714
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: have to carry the entire weight of the program and

715
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: a coaching staff on the hot seat on his shoulders. So,

716
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: Ohio State, I don't think it's a down to the

717
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: wire competition. Nor do I at Michigan, nor do I

718
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: at Auburn, nor do I at Florida. So I'm looking

719
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: around the country and I'm trying to figure out where

720
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: are all the Paula Cole used to seeing. Where have

721
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: all the cowboys gone? Where are all the quarterback competitions?

722
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: Where have all the QB fight's gone? I don't know.

723
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll see things emerge in fall. They're watching us

724
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: in Walker, Louisiana, Clovis, New Mexico, Akron, Ohio. Thank you

725
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: guys so much for being tuned in. We move on.

726
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: I did not bring the chalice. We just have a

727
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: temporary pap cup, same questionable ingredients.

728
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 2: Inside of it, though.

729
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: Very strong actually, So I figure now's a good as

730
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: time as any we can talk about this. I want

731
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: to be responsible. I want to be respectful. The network

732
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: for which I am employed through which I'm employed has

733
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: the rights to this tournament coming up. I love March Madness.

734
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: I am told that we may very well be at

735
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: the final four. So look, college basketball is great. Let's

736
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: just colin, here's your endpoint. College basketball is a wonderful thing.

737
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: College football is a wonderful thing. We are entering the

738
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: time of year where people are going to try and

739
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: compare the two, and I don't want us falling for that.

740
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: We had a tweet earlier today someone asked us from

741
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: San Diego, California. Chuck asked us, is it fair to

742
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: compare the new twelve team playoff in college football to

743
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: the NCAA Tournament and March Madness? What makes them alike

744
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: or different in your opinion? Well, Chuck, there are similarities.

745
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: For instance, both are sports, and that's about where the

746
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: comparisons end. Chuck, I know there are little things here

747
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: and there. Yes there's a bracket, Yes there are two

748
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: teams facing each other. But March Madness is upon us.

749
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: It's great, and we can enjoy it just for that.

750
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: But not everyone can just enjoy college basketball for the

751
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: greatness that it is, especially in March. Somebody from off

752
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 1: from the corner. Normally a cousin has to yell. College

753
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: football could have this if they wanted it. No, they

754
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 1: couldn't earl, No, they couldn't imagine. Imagine as a buzzer

755
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: beater happens. Imagine college football not wanting this. Imagine being

756
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: that abtuse what did you call me? Obtuse? Like? Imagine

757
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: being that ab twus College football never shouts at college basketball.

758
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: Have you noticed this I'm not talking about the sports.

759
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: The sports are inanimate. I'm talking about the people who

760
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: harness them for their own arguments, sometimes in good faith,

761
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: sometimes not. Have you noticed no one ever yells at

762
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: college basketball. You ought to be more like college football.

763
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: It's like, over on our side of the fence, we're

764
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: totally fine. Go do your thing. Go make your regular

765
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: season irrelevant because March is so great. Do it. Nobody

766
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: cares now. Over on our side, what we would appreciate

767
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: is that being reciprocated. We would appreciate you guys not

768
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: shouting over your fence. Look how great we are. Like,

769
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: in what world does the sport that it has rendered

770
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: itself irrelevant eleven out of twelve months, largely to the public,

771
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: shout at the sport that, at least for now, is

772
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: relevant for like the entire years. You need to be

773
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: more like us. No, No, we don't, no, not at all.

774
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: Now.

775
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: What we don't have to do is we don't have

776
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: to hate on one at the expense of the other,

777
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: unless you back me in a corner and put me

778
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: in the position where I have to argue the merits

779
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: and then detract from one to prop up the other.

780
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: I personally don't like judging sports based on their postseason.

781
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: I judge sports overall times. When people are debating college

782
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 1: football college basketball, what do they start with. They start with, well,

783
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: March madness is great. Yes it is. And people who

784
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: believe what I believe never push back on that. Just

785
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: like as we expand the playoff, I've told you guys

786
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: this many times. When we get to the beginning of

787
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: the playoff, I won't look around and say, boy, this

788
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: thing really sucks.

789
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: There's no juice here. What's that.

790
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: LSU's tied with Wisconsin in Camp Randall Stadium going into

791
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter and it's sixteen degrees outside and everyone's

792
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: frothing at the mouth. I'm third and short, boy, this

793
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: is a snore fest. No one's saying that. I'm not

794
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: going to say that. But that's not chapter one of

795
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: the book. That's not a sport. That's a product, that's

796
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: an asset. That's the postseason. The sport is the sport.

797
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: College football is starting week one, August thirty first, or

798
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: college basketball, you know, starts sometime in the fall. I'm

799
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 1: told now they've expanded their postseason to the point even

800
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: into conference tournament weekend. It doesn't have to be watched.

801
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: If you're a diehard fan, you do watch it. But honestly,

802
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: I was in Nashville. I was at one of Auburn's games.

803
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: Actually this past weekend. They played like three games. Some

804
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: of them play three or four games in four days.

805
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: They don't do that in football. By the way, for

806
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: anyone trying to compare the sports, I watch Auburn play

807
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: those games. I watch them win the SEC tournament. They're

808
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: playing in Russia for the first round. They're playing into Spokane, Washington.

809
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: So you have taught me as a sport that I

810
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: don't really have to be paying attention in December or

811
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: January or even early March. I can go upstairs right now.

812
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 1: I can listen to Jerry Palm Talk. I can listen

813
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: to Matt Noorlander. I can listen to those guys, and

814
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: I can crash course my way through Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

815
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: and then Thursday when the tournament starts. I'm good and

816
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: the product from that point forward will be excellent because

817
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: there's nothing like postseason basketball. What did you trade off

818
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: to get that? That's the question. What do you trade

819
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: off in college football to get that? So I know

820
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: the question wasn't exactly. Hey, go down the road of

821
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: what happens if college football adopts the college basketball model.

822
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: But that's always what it devolves into, is it not.

823
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: That's what those arguments you're inevitably about to hear. Whenever

824
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: the first buzzer beater happens, you're gonna hear it. Boy,

825
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: imagine saying you don't want this in college football. It's easy.

826
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: It's easy. It's just meet me in December with that argument.

827
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: Meet me in January on a Tuesday night when produced

828
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: playing Indiana and like fifteen people are watching cause they

829
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: know they don't have to meet me. Then I would

830
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: much prefer you to understand that you've got madness in March.

831
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: I got it in week three, I got it in

832
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: mid September. Why well, because up until this point we've

833
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: made sure that every week means something at a maximum

834
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: in college football. Don't know how much longer that's going

835
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: to be the case, but we have at least maintained

836
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: that for a long time.

837
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: You know, it's okay to just enjoy these things for

838
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 2: what they are.

839
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: If you're a diehard college basketball fan, watch every week.

840
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: I don't care if I'm just a casual basketball fan,

841
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: which I absolutely am watch four weeks out of the year.

842
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: I don't care college football. Watch it, don't watch it.

843
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: I'd prefer that you watch it. But it is okay,

844
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: you know, to watch this over here and that over

845
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: there and not compare the two, especially when they're not

846
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: the same thing. They're not at all the same thing.

847
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: All right, hopefully fingers crossed, it's the last time we

848
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: have to go down in the road. But I don't know.

849
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: I will tell you this.

850
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: I cannot promise you because I haven't pulled up FanDuel,

851
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: but I would imagine Colin, those brackets have probably been

852
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: out an hour now. I would imagine FanDuel already has

853
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: lines up on every game for the first round of

854
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament, which leads me to my next point.

855
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: FanDuel is the exclusive odds provider of Late Kick Forget

856
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: the Show. They're the exclusive odds provider of peyt State.

857
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: When our freshmen arrive on campus, we automatically install the

858
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: app on their phones, and the NSA has always had

859
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: a problem with it. But whatever, we are the jurisdiction,

860
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: We are the authority here, and so we know that

861
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00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: Oklahoma did lose a lot on the offensive line. Oklahoma

917
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918
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919
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Speaker 2: He's not a true freshman.

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Speaker 1: And they have recruited at a level that has them

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Speaker 1: So to the odds makers that over under seven and

927
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Speaker 1: a half, Like I said, is Oklahoma being overlooked?

928
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Speaker 2: I think they are.

929
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Speaker 1: I think we at Iowa State are being overlooked.

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Speaker 2: Now here's the thing. I go on.

931
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932
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933
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934
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Speaker 1: I think it was a Houston in the conference tournament,

935
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936
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937
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938
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939
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941
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Speaker 2: We're feeling the pressure.

942
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Speaker 1: Every year has got to be the year now when

943
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944
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Speaker 1: got to I think Iowa State football is being overlooked.

945
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Speaker 1: They ended last year decently. I mean, losing to Ohio

946
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947
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948
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949
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Speaker 2: They beat him up there.

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Speaker 1: They are twenty second in S and P plus coming

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Speaker 1: Rock Obacht, as I like to pronounce it's his last

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959
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Speaker 1: We're going to be live from Iowa State Thursday night.

961
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have Matt Campbell on the show, so we'll

962
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Speaker 1: press him on this stuff. Well, we'll find out exactly

963
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964
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Speaker 1: that front. What about SMU recent ACC edition SMU normally, okay,

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Speaker 1: those other teams do well. SMU is jumping into the

972
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974
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975
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Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. They're one spot behind Utah. So they fit

976
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Speaker 1: very well into a group of teams that, respectively, we

977
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Speaker 1: other conferences. And they start with Nevada on the road.

979
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Speaker 1: They get into conference play, though I think against Florida State.

980
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: I think that's their first one. And you talk about

981
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982
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983
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Speaker 1: First off, half the country would at that point realize

984
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985
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Speaker 1: The other half would say, who are these guys? And

986
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987
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Speaker 1: So seven and a half is the over underwent total

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Speaker 1: for them this year.

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Speaker 2: Let's just keep an.

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Speaker 2: Hot seat talk.

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Speaker 1: Now. The talk is, well, could West Virginia actually build

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