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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Speaker 2: Katherine Nadal has been a certified public and psychic medium
Speaker 2: with the Forever Family Foundation back since twenty thirteen. She's
Speaker 2: a registered nurse, retired Army colonel, thank you for serving
Speaker 2: thirty years. Certified grief educator with doctor David Kessler's Grief
Speaker 2: Training Program. Catherine is also a witch and reverend and
Speaker 2: our Lord and Lady of the Trykinian Church in Salem, Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: In December of twenty twenty three, she began to host
Speaker 2: a weekly radio show in Tampa, Florida called Bringing the
Speaker 2: Darkness to Light. A couple of her latest books include
Speaker 2: of Course and She Danced by the Light of the
Speaker 2: Moon and then Seeing More Than Clouds in Your Coffee. Catherine,
Speaker 2: Welcome back, Cove you.
Speaker 3: Ben very good. Thank you so much George for having
Speaker 3: me on again.
Speaker 2: Have you Ben?
Speaker 3: Oh? Very good? Yeah, you know, I was so curious.
Speaker 3: I was listening to your other guests prior to me
Speaker 3: coming on, and it's fascinating in an elevator with God.
Speaker 3: You know, I believe as a witch. I believe in
Speaker 3: a higher power. I believe in the God and goddesses,
Speaker 3: but I also believe in getting signs and symbols, you know.
Speaker 3: And it's pretty incredible because just in November I had
Speaker 3: been out in Las Vegas, and on my return from
Speaker 3: Las Vegas, I had a very vivid dream and in
Speaker 3: the dream with doctor Lourie Nadell, who you know very well.
Speaker 3: She wrote the Folly to my book, and she was
Speaker 3: telling me that she had the information about the radio show.
Speaker 3: And in the dream, I kept saying, well, give it
Speaker 3: to me, and she kept saying, you have it. So
Speaker 3: I woke up and I thought, jeez, what is this about?
Speaker 3: You know? So I just went to the internet. It
Speaker 3: was bothering me. I said, how do I get a
Speaker 3: radio show? And there was only one and it was
Speaker 3: in Tampa. And the idea that I saw palm trees
Speaker 3: behind her, and she currently lives in Florida. I saw
Speaker 3: him send an email, and I sent an email, and
Speaker 3: four or five hours later, this man called and I
Speaker 3: didn't know it was, you know, my phone was flipped over.
Speaker 3: So I said hello, LI said, not knowing, and he
Speaker 3: said fourteen ninety wwpr And I said oh wow, you
Speaker 3: know you called and he said, you know, why did
Speaker 3: you reach out? And I said, I know it's going
Speaker 3: to sound odd, but I'm a psychic medium and I
Speaker 3: had a dream last night, he said last night, and
Speaker 3: I told him about my life and everything I said,
Speaker 3: he googled and finally he interrupted me and he said,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but everything you've said is the truth. I said,
Speaker 3: of course, when you think I'm William and he laughed.
Speaker 3: He said no, he said, I never met anyone like you.
Speaker 3: He said, you can have a show and I said,
Speaker 3: oh okay, and he said, and I'm going to name
Speaker 3: it for you. And I said you're going to name
Speaker 3: it and he said yeah. He said, the only name
Speaker 3: for it is Bringing the Darkness to Light because I
Speaker 3: told him how many people that I know in the
Speaker 3: music business, and you know, MYPD and nine to eleven
Speaker 3: and fire and military and Navy seals, and I said,
Speaker 3: they all have a story to tell, and I want
Speaker 3: to tell their story with them, and he said that's
Speaker 3: the title. So since November, since December, I've been doing
Speaker 3: this radio show and it's just pretty incredible towards I mean,
Speaker 3: it's not at the level of yours, but I've learned
Speaker 3: so much.
Speaker 2: It's for it's fun thought.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's a lot of fun. And so many people,
Speaker 3: you know, I have a nice platform on Instagram and
Speaker 3: a lot of people have reached out to me because
Speaker 3: their friends have done my show and they say, I
Speaker 3: have an album that's going to drop in a month,
Speaker 3: or I'm putting a book out, or I'm you know,
Speaker 3: I'm doing this and it's really interesting because AM radio
Speaker 3: is alive and well, you know, right here in New
Speaker 3: York we have seven seventy WABC, we have seven ten WOY.
Speaker 3: You know, AM Radio was still a live you know,
Speaker 3: and that's what they're excited about, you know, because there's
Speaker 3: so many podcasts out there.
Speaker 2: Catherine, tell us about your title of this book, Seen
Speaker 2: more than Clouds in your Coffee.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was my first book, and that came
Speaker 3: out around twenty twelve, and it was inspired from my
Speaker 3: late teens because you know, in my family, we would
Speaker 3: drink Italian coffee and my friends would you know, we
Speaker 3: would go to kind of coffee shops. They after college
Speaker 3: and we would go to these Italian cafes and the
Speaker 3: Bronx and you know, joking around, I'd lean over and say,
Speaker 3: let me look in your cop And there was one
Speaker 3: guy that I used to hang around with a lot,
Speaker 3: and he knew all the cafes in the Bronx and
Speaker 3: the pizzerias and stuff, and he said, well, you know,
Speaker 3: I'll buy the coffee if you tell me about this
Speaker 3: girl on date and whatever. And the more we started
Speaker 3: to go to these places, the more accurate he said
Speaker 3: my information was. So we started telling the the owners
Speaker 3: and the girls that were serving the quothie, and they
Speaker 3: all wanted readings. And he said, you know, you really
Speaker 3: have something here. And then, of course, because of my life,
Speaker 3: you know, the military and everything, I didn't pursue it.
Speaker 3: And then when I came back from Iraq, my battle
Speaker 3: buddy had asked me to promise her that I would
Speaker 3: work with the public after coming back from Iraq, and
Speaker 3: I did. And it was the first psychic fair. There
Speaker 3: was a woman pull A Kara Kappa. She had a
Speaker 3: very big psychic fair in Westchester County, right outside of
Speaker 3: New York City, and she said, do me a favorite,
Speaker 3: Just bring you a coffee machine and your cops. And
Speaker 3: I said, oh my god, I'm going to bring a book.
Speaker 3: I said, no, one's going to be interested, and she said,
Speaker 3: just bring it. And I had so many people online,
Speaker 3: you know, even some of the ladies pitched in to
Speaker 3: help me wash the cups in between the readings and stuff.
Speaker 3: So it caught on. And one of the reasons for
Speaker 3: the book is because I started to take photographs of
Speaker 3: the image in the cup. So as I was doing
Speaker 3: these readings, they said, how am I going to remember this?
Speaker 3: And or how am I going to show this to somebody?
Speaker 3: And I said, take your phone out and we'll start
Speaker 3: taking pictures of the images in the cup. So the
Speaker 3: first book is really about my coffee reading. The second
Speaker 3: book I put out was more about my life because
Speaker 3: a lot of people had started following me wanting to
Speaker 3: know how is it possible, how could someone you know
Speaker 3: become a colonel, and how could someone like me be
Speaker 3: a registered nurse? How could you separate and balance your
Speaker 3: life and in the middle of it all also be
Speaker 3: involved with doing you know, psychic psychic work, paranormal work,
Speaker 3: and being a psychic medium. So the second book is
Speaker 3: really kind of a you know, storytelling about my personal life.
Speaker 2: What was it like being a witch in the military.
Speaker 3: Well that's interesting because several years ago and I know
Speaker 3: your audience could probably look it up on the Internet,
Speaker 3: but there was quite a few people that had spoken up.
Speaker 3: One couple in particular been very vocal because in the military,
Speaker 3: when you pass away, they will actually give you a
Speaker 3: headstone and they have all the different symbols for every
Speaker 3: different religion. But at the time Wiccan religion was not
Speaker 3: being acknowledged, and this family actually reached out to the
Speaker 3: Department of Veteran Affairs and made a point of it
Speaker 3: that Wickans are, you know, a real religion and we
Speaker 3: do need a symbol, and it was granted. This is
Speaker 3: probably about more than fifteen years ago now, and it
Speaker 3: was honored. And now headstones can have the pinnacle, you know,
Speaker 3: which is the star that is put on the grave,
Speaker 3: and being a wicked is recognized in the military. And
Speaker 3: it's interesting because I started working in Salem, Massachusetts during
Speaker 3: Halloween seasons since I wasn't living there. I worked for
Speaker 3: about maybe seven seasons with Christian Day, who you know,
Speaker 3: you've had him on your show. And I worked with
Speaker 3: Lori Bruno and I worked with you know, I worked
Speaker 3: with a few of them up there, mostly with Christian
Speaker 3: and you know, I would always tell my commander in
Speaker 3: the military, you know, just so you know, it's Halloween,
Speaker 3: so you know, don't put me on any trips or
Speaker 3: I don't do anything too big because this is my
Speaker 3: whole month. And you know, they'd kind of smile and stuff,
Speaker 3: but they never really, they never really said anything about it.
Speaker 3: And I, you know, as I grew with my rank,
Speaker 3: you know, as I was getting advanced, increased responsibilities, I'd
Speaker 3: have to sit down with my supervisor. And sometimes it
Speaker 3: was a colonel, sometimes it was a general, and I'd
Speaker 3: have to say, you know, just so you know, I'm
Speaker 3: going to be doing a radio show, and just so
Speaker 3: you know they're going to be writing an article, and
Speaker 3: just so you know, I have a website, and they
Speaker 3: just kind of smile and shrug their shoulders, like it
Speaker 3: never really came into any kind of a you know,
Speaker 3: any play in it. But a few times my soldiers,
Speaker 3: because we would go on trips, you know, we'd go
Speaker 3: to locations and sometimes the towns were old, and we'd
Speaker 3: be driving in the car and they'd say, Colonel adult,
Speaker 3: do you feel anything, are you seeing anything? You know,
Speaker 3: and they'd kind of laugh about it, you know, but
Speaker 3: that was really kind of the extent of it. You know,
Speaker 3: it didn't really interfere with anything. I kept a lot
Speaker 3: of things in their own folders or in their own
Speaker 3: categories while I was doing things.
Speaker 2: You stayed in the army for thirty years.
Speaker 3: Thirty years. Yeah, I joined, believe it or not. I
Speaker 3: joined thinking I was only going to do eight years,
Speaker 3: and it was a contract for them to pay for
Speaker 3: my bachelor's degree. And you know, I signed the contract
Speaker 3: and then you know, about a year or two in,
Speaker 3: they said, oh, you didn't really sign an eight year contract.
Speaker 3: You signed a fourteen year contract because it's one year
Speaker 3: for school, two years back in the military on top
Speaker 3: of the original e. And I said to my dad,
Speaker 3: I said, Dad, fourteen years. He said, well, you know
Speaker 3: you joined you were like twenty two years old, so
Speaker 3: you know that'll go fast. And when the fourteen years came,
Speaker 3: I said to him, well, you know I can get
Speaker 3: out now. He said, don't you dare? Get out.
Speaker 1: He goes do.
Speaker 3: Six more years and get a twenty year letter and
Speaker 3: then you'll have a pension one day and when you're young.
Speaker 3: You know. He was really very adamant about it, but
Speaker 3: he had he had left his high school in the
Speaker 3: eleventh grade in nineteen forty six to serve in the
Speaker 3: Navy because of the war effort and everything that was
Speaker 3: going on at the time. So he really understood commitment
Speaker 3: and he understood sacrifice. And him and his best friend
Speaker 3: had promised their parents that when they came back, they
Speaker 3: would get their deed in Brooklyn, and they did. So
Speaker 3: this whole story of how I wanted to get my
Speaker 3: education paid for and how I promise that all meant
Speaker 3: a lot to him, you know, and I was glad
Speaker 3: I had his guidance because you know, in the back
Speaker 3: of your mind, you're young, and you're like, hey, I
Speaker 3: got so many things I wanted to do. I could
Speaker 3: have left it fourteen years. But then when I got
Speaker 3: twenty years, George, and I know you served and thank
Speaker 3: you for your service, it gets a little busy. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: But you know when you when you get pulled into
Speaker 3: something and you're like, oh, I can't leave now, I
Speaker 3: can't leave now. It's with any occupation, you know, when
Speaker 3: you become a subject matter expert, they kind of start
Speaker 3: twisting your arm and telling you you're so valuable and everything.
Speaker 3: So I really had a hard time leaving. But you know,
Speaker 3: the best part about it was the work that we
Speaker 3: were doing. You know, we did some really tremendous work
Speaker 3: in a lot of different areas in the military. And
Speaker 3: you know, the biggest thing is, and I say this
Speaker 3: all the time to parents because I talk with a
Speaker 3: lot of parents, it's not for everyone, you know. So
Speaker 3: if you know someone thinks they want to join, they
Speaker 3: really have to ask themselves, why do you want to join?
Speaker 3: Because I remember being on strict diets for a long
Speaker 3: time and giving up desserts and standing on scales and
Speaker 3: running all that stuff and doing all that pet stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, so there was a lot of things, you know,
Speaker 3: and and the bigger things, you know, being away, being
Speaker 3: you know, deployed, being in the areas you know that have.
Speaker 3: You know, now I have exposure from you know, long
Speaker 3: exposure from being in you know, in that area. So
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of us now have service connection
Speaker 3: because of the exposure, similar to to nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: But you know, for those countries, they have different things
Speaker 3: that happen there, such as burn pits and things. So
Speaker 3: it's a big sacrifice. It's definitely not for everyone. But
Speaker 3: you know, I really am glad that you know, the
Speaker 3: military has been able to move, you know, with the future,
Speaker 3: you know, and just being wicking and having to ma
Speaker 3: acknowledge that it's just one movement towards the future of
Speaker 3: how you know, everyone is included, you know.
Speaker 2: So what came first for you being a psychic medium
Speaker 2: or being a.
Speaker 3: Wickan psychic medium. Yeah. I was a little girl and
Speaker 3: I was fishing with my dad and he said, you know,
Speaker 3: we're going to go out and we're going to do crabbing,
Speaker 3: and we're going to have a lupster crab net and
Speaker 3: don't touch the rope. And I said okay, and he
Speaker 3: walked away and I heard pick it up, pick it up,
Speaker 3: and I said, well, I'd better go pick it up.
Speaker 3: So I pulled up the rope and it was the
Speaker 3: biggest blue crab that day on the dock, and I said,
Speaker 3: I'm going to pay attention to that. And then I
Speaker 3: started having a lot of dreams which I thought were normal,
Speaker 3: and then when I started discussing them with my dad,
Speaker 3: my dad was like, they're not normal. We don't talk
Speaker 3: like that. We're Roman Catholics, and he kind of really
Speaker 3: shut it down. But I knew that I was seeing
Speaker 3: things in my dreams that were going to happen, and
Speaker 3: they did. Yeah, it was kind of Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: hard because it's a formal clairvoyance. Some people see it
Speaker 3: in their walking days, which I do, but as a child,
Speaker 3: I only saw it in my dreams. And that was
Speaker 3: the hard part because I knew what I was saying,
Speaker 3: and then I had to sit there and wait to
Speaker 3: see if it was going to happen. And it started happening,
Speaker 3: you know, So that's when I knew I had something happening.
Speaker 2: Now in a couple of months, you're going to be
Speaker 2: at what is called the Witch Trials.
Speaker 3: Yes, Charles, Charles Rosene is going to be on the
Speaker 3: program tonight, but he's actually invited me to do Para
Speaker 3: Con which is in Connecticut in July, and it brings
Speaker 3: together a lot of paranormal specialists and I'm going to
Speaker 3: be presenting with Dan Sturgists. Dan and I have done
Speaker 3: a lot of investigations together. He's also featured on the
Speaker 3: Travel Channel. He does Paranormal Quad on camera. And then
Speaker 3: the following months, I'm going to be joining Charles again
Speaker 3: and we're going to be doing the Witch Trials and
Speaker 3: that's in Hartford, Connecticut. It's the first time it's happening,
Speaker 3: and it's it's kind of a big deal because last
Speaker 3: year the state of Connecticut, they finally on a congressional level,
Speaker 3: acknowledged that witch hunting was you know, inappropriate and that
Speaker 3: shouldn't have happened. And they were probably early on one
Speaker 3: of the first to you know, to kind of make
Speaker 3: the proclamation about witch hunting, but they would get the
Speaker 3: last to come around and say the wrongdoings of witch hunting.
Speaker 3: So as you know, you know, witch hunting has been
Speaker 3: going you know, was going on for many centuries all
Speaker 3: over the world. You know, there was a big movement
Speaker 3: of it in England and there was you know Salem,
Speaker 3: of course everyone knows the story of Salem, and you
Speaker 3: know Germany, and there's different areas of the world that
Speaker 3: actually had witches that were condemned and wrongly. So so
Speaker 3: having this happened, so you know, local close to New
Speaker 3: York City, I wanted to attend because it's so important,
Speaker 3: you know, to educate the public of what was actually happening,
Speaker 3: but also having them know that the which community is
Speaker 3: alive and well and you know that we are a
Speaker 3: community and coming together and helping educate people know who
Speaker 3: we are and with the history of you know, the
Speaker 3: positives and negatives of the of the history, and I
Speaker 3: think that's really important.
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