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Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back on. Normally the show takes,

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Speaker 1: but when the news gets weird.

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Speaker 2: I am Mary Catherine. I'm Markowitz. I am Mary Catherine.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing this week?

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Speaker 1: I'm good. Well, neither one of us is on vacation

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Speaker 1: right now. But you know who is? You know who

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Speaker 1: is Texas Democrats.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I thought you were going to say,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna we're get right into it. No no chit

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Speaker 1: No, no, no no plan because it's not fun because

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Speaker 1: we're not on vacation. We're just wishful wish business.

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Speaker 2: Right. So Democrats? Are they still in Chicago? Let's start

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Speaker 2: with that.

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Speaker 1: I believe they are still in Illinois, where they were

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Speaker 1: flown on a private jet funded by Beato and other

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Speaker 1: large sources of Democratic money. Beto O'Rourke, failed presidential and

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Speaker 1: Senate candidate from Texas. They left the state because they

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Speaker 1: want to deprive I have the Texas Legislature of a quorum,

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Speaker 1: because the Texas Legislature is trying to redistrict in such

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Speaker 1: a way that would benefit Republicans based on twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: census information. They are attempting to redraw the maps in Texas.

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Speaker 1: They have the power to do this. Democrats fled because

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Speaker 1: they don't want them to do it. It's somewhat unorthodox

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Speaker 1: to do it at this point in the cycle, and

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Speaker 1: that's what Democrats are complaining about. But yeah, they're in

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Speaker 1: Illinois and there have been calls to arrest them from

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Speaker 1: folks inside Texas. Of course, Illinois would have to extradite

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Speaker 1: them or help, and I don't think that's happening. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure what their legal rights are in this situation.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure you can actually make an arrest. But

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Speaker 1: they're definitely just not doing their jobs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I saw that Gavin Newsome was really upset about

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Speaker 2: the redistricting and he was like, well, then we're going

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Speaker 2: to derymander. Also him, Democrats have already jerrymandered all the

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Speaker 2: states where they have control to the fullest extent. So

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Speaker 2: this is really just Republicans catching up with drawing zig

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's rich to hear this from Democrats, and

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Speaker 1: different states do it different ways. Some states have a

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Speaker 1: like a bipartisan group that decides what the maps looks

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Speaker 1: like look like. Often those bipartisan groups also create very

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Speaker 1: partisan results. If you look at California, you will see

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Speaker 1: that places where Democrats are totally in control. Even the

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Speaker 1: New York Times has had to admit they have gerrymandered

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Speaker 1: so hard that they can't do anymore. Like they keep saying,

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Speaker 1: it's tit for tat, and I'm like, y'all done tatt

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Speaker 1: it so much, you can't tatt no more. Like you've

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Speaker 1: tat it all. The tatting is done.

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Speaker 2: All that's left exact.

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Speaker 1: Now you're just mad at the tit anyway.

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Speaker 2: So they show Mary Catherine.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, their tactic is to leave the state to

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Speaker 1: not allow this, and I just hate this tactic. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's just loser stuff. Right. Texas Democrats specifically

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Speaker 1: have done this several times in the two thousands. I

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Speaker 1: want to I looked it up last night, two thousand

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Speaker 1: and three, over redistricting, twenty twenty one, over voting rules,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, over redistricting, and I believe there's a

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Speaker 1: Has this improved your electoral prospects in all the state

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's really nuts is that they are being heralded

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Speaker 2: They're the ones who are doing what all the other

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Speaker 2: Democrats should be doing in fighting those terrible Republicans. But

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Speaker 2: that story. So why would you want other people to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and it's I think again, I don't think

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Speaker 1: it sends the right message to your voters when you

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Speaker 1: be covered very differently. The issue is that Republicans don't

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Speaker 1: find one example in Oregon of Republicans piecing out on

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a very popular tactic on the democratic side

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Speaker 2: why why it's so beloved. So Governor Pritzker, who governor

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Speaker 1: Of the most jerrymanded states there is.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he went on Stephen Colbert's show, and Colbert actually

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Speaker 3: Let's roll it is the districts in Illinois. Take a

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Speaker 3: look at this. Look at look at seventeen here it

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Speaker 3: Is this common for all states to do?

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Speaker 4: We handed it over to a kindergarten class and let

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Speaker 3: Okay, And that's the that's the non partisan group that

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Speaker 4: Guy, that's our independent commission, you know that is yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, so, because all states, to a certain

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Speaker 4: Well, here, every ten years, we do a census in

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Speaker 4: this country, and right after the census, we redraw districts

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Speaker 3: That's an important point because he I think he literally

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Speaker 2: Let's be real here. What happened is in the last

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Speaker 2: that's a fine argument to make. But Illinois making those

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Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, Illinois is like went forty three

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Speaker 1: they're claiming would be fair when it comes to them. Also,

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Speaker 1: there were significant net undercount rates in six states. What

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but at any rate, there these flyne up with

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Speaker 1: So the issue is on a moral level. If you're

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Speaker 1: What didn't reflect the population was the unfairly conducted census.

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Speaker 1: And I think that some of this is the temper

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Speaker 2: So true, that is exactly what's happening here. They know

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Fun fact, by the way, I grew up in

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Speaker 1: The court actually said, political jerrymandering is totally fine. That's

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Speaker 1: So if you will, I put it on my Twitter

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Speaker 2: Are you surprised that Colbert even minorly made fun of

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Speaker 2: Pritzker and his state for being so jerrymandered. Or was

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Speaker 2: it actually just a cleanup on Aisle five letting his

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Speaker 1: I think it was letting him have a shot at

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Speaker 1: And as I say, their independent commissions end up creating

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Speaker 1: represent the voting public. This is part of politics. We

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Speaker 1: can argue about it, but you shouldn't leave your post

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Speaker 1: to argue about it, right, That's what I think.

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Speaker 2: You know. Just to tag onto the Colbert question as

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Speaker 2: we're going to air, there's a story that Howard Stern

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Speaker 2: And I found that so hideously disgusting as well. They

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Speaker 2: I would say that that whole thing spurred my book

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Speaker 1: Ye, they're looking for unassailable spokespeople. They're looking as the

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Speaker 1: left often does. And it's not to say that the

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Speaker 1: Left has perfected it, which is to win an argument

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Speaker 1: You're not allowed to say anything about Cindy she In, right,

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Speaker 1: Remember she was the very vocal anti war code Pink

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Speaker 1: the War on Terror. But you are allowed to talk

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Speaker 1: same time, you are allowed to disagree with these parents

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Speaker 1: about gun control. And I think the left is fooling

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Speaker 1: itself on this. If Trump second time around has not

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Speaker 1: taught them yet, teaching people to are convincing people to

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Speaker 1: shut up. Is not the same as convincing them. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what they're gonna when they're gonna learn exact.

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Speaker 1: People believe things, and you can't just tell them to stop.

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Speaker 2: Right right, and you can't say even you know, even

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Speaker 2: the argument that this animated you know, image is making.

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Speaker 2: I believe people should be involved in the conversation. I

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Speaker 2: not really an argument. Like if you're already putting words

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Speaker 2: maybe do a little bit better than that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just just make your own argument. Yeah, like that

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Speaker 1: would be a normal thing. I do think this is

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Speaker 1: this is yet another attempt to create a different kind

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Speaker 1: are invested in actually having the arguments, and that's what

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