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Speaker 1: Jesus?

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Speaker 2: It's time to bang? Oh yeah, back from the bird,

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Speaker 2: back with a bang. It's morning Combat, Monday, September twenty third,

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Speaker 2: two thousand and twenty four. And no, I'm not wearing

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Speaker 2: this hat because it looks great on me, right, you know,

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Speaker 2: just kind of stuck in my nostalgia. Hey, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: We have a partner here. His name is Luke Thomas,

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Speaker 2: and we got a great, a great show for Eurika

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Speaker 2: apping all things Daniel Dubois versus Anthony Joshua, checking out

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Speaker 2: the latest news and combat sports, and setting the stage

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Speaker 2: for Saturday's UFC Patti Fight Night card with been wanted

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Speaker 2: something to me, But Luke, that's not what most of

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Speaker 2: the people are here for. Most of the people are

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Speaker 2: here for this inevitably said announcement.

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Speaker 3: That we have.

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Speaker 1: Is it inevitably sad?

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Speaker 2: I think that's the the I think that's the summation

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Speaker 2: of people's guest is on here, Luke, if I may,

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Speaker 2: if I may, Oh you might.

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Speaker 1: Very quickly, very quickly. I as you know, we already

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Speaker 1: spoke about this last week, and I did address it

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Speaker 1: on my live chat, but unfortunately I have to listen.

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Speaker 1: You are a loathsome piece of shit.

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Speaker 2: However, well, when I have too many deltas in the show,

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Speaker 1: That's listen, we're both guilty of this crime. We're both

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Speaker 1: They deserve or you deserve better. Again, we spoke about

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Speaker 2: Well, good timing because our announcement is that will be

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Speaker 2: ending this show at the end of the morning.

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Speaker 1: So don't do that to him. Don't do that to him.

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Speaker 2: We have a big announcement, So sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: Sorry everybody. Sorry, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean you know, okay, you had three margueritas before we

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Speaker 2: forgave turned out to be an epic moment our shows.

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Speaker 2: Here's the deal, folks. Luke Thomas said he will not

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Speaker 2: say anything until there's something to say. So Luke Thomas,

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Speaker 2: I want to give you the floor. There's something to

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Speaker 1: Want me to do it? Yes, all right, I'll do

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Speaker 1: it like this. I'll be very quick about it. Starting

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Speaker 1: in the month of October, formally with staff, with budget, everything,

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Speaker 1: the whole nine yards, Morning Combat is expanding to two

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Speaker 1: days a week. It hit the hip hop horn, motherfucker

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Speaker 1: play it now, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we are starting in October, the exact October. We're

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Speaker 1: production effort. Two days a week, every Monday, every Friday,

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Speaker 1: It took a little longer than we thought, Brian Campbell,

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Speaker 1: a little, a lot longer than we thought, a whole

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Speaker 2: So we will still be here in the studio every Monday.

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Speaker 2: Metal Arcare in Manhattan. Love our surroundings here. Friday will

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Speaker 1: Bring back Okay, bet we really should bring back.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I fully agree with Okay. You know, we should

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Speaker 2: this hat today and this drug rug that I was wearing, Luke,

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Speaker 1: He's the one that gave us the green light to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Morning com By the way, Morning Coombat at gmail

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Speaker 2: And that was in topic number one. No surprise here.

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Speaker 2: Let me hit the dumbass part of it, because I

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Speaker 2: AJ's really his technique. Just falling apart and backing up

436
00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,280
Speaker 2: with his arms down his chin up became a function

437
00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,200
Speaker 2: of getting hurt early. But I'm not going to join

438
00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,440
Speaker 2: the chorus of saying, oh AJ's done. He'll never be

439
00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,040
Speaker 2: the same. And I get why everybody had that knee

440
00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,639
Speaker 2: jerk feeling, just like we have a knee jerk feeling

441
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,320
Speaker 2: to in some ways discount the recent knockouts and wins

442
00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,840
Speaker 2: and go, Okay, maybe we bought too much into the

443
00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:09,679
Speaker 2: AJ rejuvenation theory. I mean, look, look, we were essentially

444
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,160
Speaker 2: every writer was writing in their head what the postfight

445
00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:13,600
Speaker 2: story was going to say, because it was going to

446
00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,199
Speaker 2: be the culmination of AJ's great comeback to where now

447
00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:17,800
Speaker 2: he's going to get back the belt, be in the

448
00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,080
Speaker 2: title picture, and whether it's Usak or Fury coming out

449
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:21,800
Speaker 2: of December, he's going to have a good chance of

450
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,800
Speaker 2: going in there and doing something because he's finally different.

451
00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,080
Speaker 2: He's a badass. He's willing to take it to people,

452
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,560
Speaker 2: which almost hides to some degree the vulnerabilities that have

453
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,440
Speaker 2: always been there for him. He's a little bit chinny.

454
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,359
Speaker 2: He gets back up, but he's a little bit chinny,

455
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,720
Speaker 2: and you know who isn't at heavyweight when there's these

456
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,280
Speaker 2: super heavyweight, hulking guys. But the reason why I won't

457
00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,840
Speaker 2: throw in the towel, really why I say, not only

458
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,760
Speaker 2: should we do the rematch, but I almost might even

459
00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,600
Speaker 2: like AJ's chances on a sneaky way, is because Aj

460
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,919
Speaker 2: has never behaved like that. He behaved like Vladimir Klitschko

461
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,760
Speaker 2: behaved against him and their twenty seventeen slugfests in the

462
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,920
Speaker 2: same stadium. That's one of the great modern heavyweight title classics,

463
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,680
Speaker 2: where we're vlad for despite his greatness in his run

464
00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:00,959
Speaker 2: we said, well, look, you find his chin, you can

465
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,280
Speaker 2: get him. And he's not the kind of dude that's

466
00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,159
Speaker 2: gonna get up and keep fighting. And that fight he

467
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,920
Speaker 2: couldn't stop getting up and keep trying, and eventually took

468
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,520
Speaker 2: AJ brutally finishing him to end that. AJ came in

469
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,359
Speaker 2: with that same fervor that's never been there before. I know,

470
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 2: AJ got up off the canvas in the past to

471
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 2: be klitch go and it became one of the enduring

472
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,239
Speaker 2: stamps of you know what, love him or hate him.

473
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 2: This guy is a fighter, he is a warrior, and

474
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 2: he is but Luke, I have never seen a willingness

475
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,639
Speaker 2: to take punishment, get back up and keep trying to

476
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 2: win from Aj all the way until the point of

477
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,439
Speaker 2: round five, where let's not forget he did seem to

478
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 2: have Dubois hurt and cornered, and it ultimately led to

479
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 2: his undoing because he came in and didn't set up

480
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,119
Speaker 2: his punches. But he'd all also been multiply concussed and

481
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 2: dropped four times before that. But his willingness to fight,

482
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 2: mixed with how he reacted after such a big loss,

483
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 2: I assumed he wasn't going to do an interview or

484
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:50,679
Speaker 2: he would be crying.

485
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure if it was a good

486
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 1: idea that he did. He didn't say anything bad, but

487
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 1: when you've been like rocked like that, I still don't

488
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 1: understand what the value is of putting a microphone in

489
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 1: that guy's face.

490
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 2: Separate argument, but I don't fully disagree. But he was

491
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 2: not only clear, he was doing countless interviews afterwards, and

492
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 2: everything was I'm coming back. I rolled the dice, I

493
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 2: tried my best, I went for it. I paid the price. Look,

494
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 2: he's never been here before. He's never been that guy

495
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,400
Speaker 2: who would just well welcome the punishment. I'm gonna get

496
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 2: back up. The fact that he was constantly trying to

497
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 2: win until you know, he got beat to the point

498
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 2: where he couldn't get up and couldn't continue, That doesn't

499
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 2: show me. Oh now he's you know, over the odometer

500
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,919
Speaker 2: in terms of mileage, accrude, he's done. That showed me

501
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 2: that he might actually be really ready to figure out

502
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 2: what the final Chapman careers because he's only thirty four.

503
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 2: In heavyweights age later.

504
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, these heavyweights age earlier, these guys have I mean,

505
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 1: for example, Tyson Fury is with thirty six.

506
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 2: He doesn't take great care of himself fair fair.

507
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 1: Enough, and they had a long period where he took

508
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 1: terrible care of himself. Ag is gonna be thirty five

509
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: next month? Six oldes shit was six thirty seven. These

510
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: guys are starting while how old is Wilder thirty six

511
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: as well? Thirty seven? Old? Look up how old wild.

512
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 2: There is a lot there's done anyway, but.

513
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but I'm just saying these guys, you're not

514
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: this is not MMA. Guys are like still kind of

515
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 1: viable up till forty and maybe a little bit past No.

516
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: Eight thirty while there's thirty eight. Yeah, oh he's so done.

517
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 2: Dude, you age late in heavyweight box and let's not change.

518
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: I understand that they do. I'm saying this particular crop

519
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 1: for how good they are, we're gonna talk about how

520
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: good they are a little bit later. They're not waiting

521
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: till forty before they decline. You're watching signs of it

522
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: now at thirty five, ah, thirty six, thirty seven, Dude,

523
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: I under I appreciate, and I thought listen. Credit to

524
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 1: Eddie Hearn who after by the way, Frank Warren is

525
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: beating the bags off.

526
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 2: Eddie Hearn he shut him out in that head to head,

527
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 2: smoked him at.

528
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 1: The five on five and look what his boy do.

529
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: By AJ, I mean he is crushing him right, terrible.

530
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: But credit to Hearn who gets up there and really

531
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 1: tries to put him over by talking about the heart.

532
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: I really don't dispute the heart of AJ, nor do

533
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: I dispute that a second fight could go very differently.

534
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's out of the question. And

535
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: of some folks like he should retire, blah blah blah,

536
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 1: I think a second fight probably will happen, and I

537
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: think it actually could be a little bit different, maybe

538
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,479
Speaker 1: even a lot. One never knows. However, you really really

539
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 1: really have to connect two different dots here. He fought terribly,

540
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: he really did. He fought strategically quite terribly. And also

541
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: he was kind of very dismissive of Dubois throughout the

542
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: course of that fight. You have n't been like, he

543
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 1: ain't shit, He ain't shit. They picked him up on camera,

544
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 1: he was taunting. No one picked up on this. Go

545
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 1: back and look at the end of round four, he

546
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: goes like this because they were basically in Dubois's corner,

547
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 1: and he like very tauntingly is like, have a seat, sir,

548
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: kind of like this, like with his arms open like

549
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: that to walk him past, like almost like I.

550
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 2: Take that as a positive.

551
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: I take that as dude, if that's a positive, when

552
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: it elevates your performance, when it degrades your performance, it

553
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: does you have to acknowledge the difference. He was arrogant

554
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: to the point where he thought he could just waltz

555
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: in there and run over this guy, and he got whooped.

556
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 2: For me, I'm not some AJ nuthugger apologizer, but he

557
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 2: also was concussed early on, so that would that would

558
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 2: explain possibly the breakdown in the defense. But Luke, like

559
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 2: that shows me that there was never a point where

560
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 2: he didn't think he was going to come back and win.

561
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 2: And tell me the truth. Was there multiple parts in

562
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: this fight where you said yourself, he might come back

563
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 2: and win this sure, including round five before he got

564
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: ko Sure.

565
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: I mean that was the best shot he landed all fight.

566
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: Dude, You realize that before AJ concluded the two losses

567
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 2: to Usik and then had that really bad melt down

568
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: in the ring, right remember that, Yeah, that emotional speech

569
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 2: he gave, Yeah, where we just kind of let all

570
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: of the things he was holding back for years out back.

571
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: Then.

572
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got up off the canvas against Kluchko. Yeah,

573
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: he could get hurt in fights and still come back

574
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: and win, and that was sort of part of the

575
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 2: selling the drawing card. He was this vulnerable champion but

576
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: with big heart, But he never fought like a fucking badass.

577
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: What was the criticism we talked about aj in the

578
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: two Usik fights. Why are you trying to go out

579
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: there and out box the best pure heavyweight boxer we've

580
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: seen in decades, go in there and be the bigger

581
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 2: man and walk through him. Well, then he did that

582
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: to Volleen and Ghana, and you're like, oh, I wonder

583
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: if that can change the equation. Even though yes, he

584
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 2: ultimately lost and got a one side of win, we've

585
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: already spent too much time talking about him, you know,

586
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: compared to to du Bois. If he's fighting with this

587
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 2: new spirit, Luke, he's filled in some of those holes

588
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: that used to hold him back from the potentially hairs.

589
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: If your strategy is terrible.

590
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 2: It lost the fight. The question was do I think

591
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: he can because it was.

592
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: An all time bad performance by him all time Because

593
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: I'll tell you something, and again he was already rocked

594
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: after the first so like, I am, on, this is

595
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: why I am because we were texting about this over

596
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: the weekend, and you're like, I think a rematch could

597
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: go differently, and I cannot dismiss that. I don't know

598
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: how different it would be. But you really have to

599
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: take that seriously because he was rocked so badly at

600
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: the end of the first. But do there are three

601
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: really consequential punches in this fight the one at the

602
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 1: end of the first obviously the decisive knockout blow, but

603
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: the fucking punch in round three where he over shoots

604
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: with the right and then rather than rolling under or

605
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: like pivoting out, just fucking stands up and gets lit

606
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: on fire by due Boa.

607
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: Dude.

608
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: It's like one of the most elementary, terrible mistakes. So

609
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: there's one of two explanations. One he was just not

610
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: there and his body was just reacting, which I think

611
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: is probably the likeliest one, or two like he forgot

612
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: how to fucking box, Like, I don't know what that was,

613
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: but it was terrible. It was terrible. You have to

614
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: reconcile at some point. Whatever attitude he brought to this

615
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: fight did him, no fucking favors. Zero, It did you

616
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: favors as a spectator to watch him. Let me be clear,

617
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: not discounting his heart at all. Eddie Hearn was totally

618
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: right about that. I fully fully acknowledged he got up

619
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: and tried to really be like, okay, next round, next round,

620
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: next round. But dude, if you fight terribly, all the

621
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: heart in the world means fucking nothing.

622
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think in the past, for as great

623
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: as his ambition was in the ring, and as great

624
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: as his skills were, and let's not you know, disrespect him,

625
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: he's got a great resume. And for a guy who

626
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 2: came to boxing late and looks like he should be

627
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 2: playing linebacker in the NFL, I think he's really turned

628
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: himself into something. Look, he never was never willing to

629
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 2: act like this, He was never willing to behave like this.

630
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: He was never willing to be this absolute badass. I

631
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: think that again. I just think that's the power in

632
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: the spirit behind I can't count him out. He got

633
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: into a gunfight and he got got but he never

634
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: stopped trying, and I think that wins something over. We

635
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: can't keep lingering on aj though when it was ultimately

636
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: so Dubois, I thought, had the perfect strategy to jump

637
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: on AJ, who is vulnerable in those spots, and was

638
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 2: able to expose it. We've never seen that type of

639
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: a type of poise under fire from Dubois, that type

640
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 2: of willingness to commit to his power shots and believe

641
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: in his power no matter what I asked you. Off

642
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: the top of what we missed, and I think we

643
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 2: missed that, we had the right narrative coming in, we

644
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: just had it attached to the wrong fighter. Because Duboa

645
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: was the guy who really rebuilt himself after we counted

646
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: him out so many times. But he really put in

647
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: the work behind the scenes that plays into this just

648
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 2: as much. He wasn't that type of combination puncher before this.

649
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: I fully agree I was blown away by watching his performance.

650
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: I want to say a couple things about him. Number One,

651
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: the strategy I agree with is huge. I mean taking

652
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: it to AJ from the word go was the right decision,

653
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: and his ability to execute on the game plan incredible. Well,

654
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: we got to say something else. Ninety eight thousand people

655
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: in attendance in Wimbley Arena, ninety eight thousand, and you

656
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: would have thought there were nine people there given the

657
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: poise of Daniel Dubois, like it didn't even matter at all.

658
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: He is supposed to be starstruck in this woman. How

659
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: many times before Saturday had had Anthony Joshua done a

660
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: stadium show five six times something crazy, setting British boxing

661
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: records for attendance. This was another one he did. And

662
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 1: by the way, that's another credit to Joshua, Like how

663
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: important he's been, no doubt as an economic driver of

664
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: that scene in boxing more generally. But I thought that Dubois,

665
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: who we covered one of his fights on the Jake

666
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: Paul Carter credit. That was a while ago, but he

667
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: was just I mean, I remember we talked about him.

668
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: He was like, he's a good prospect, kind of a donk.

669
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes. In the lead up to

670
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: the fight on Instagram, he's pulling chat GPT prompts out

671
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: and then pasting them onto his his account for the

672
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: he's putting up just like a total fucking dom And

673
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: then he goes out there absolutely ice fucking cold, like

674
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: there was nobody there, like no one was watching other

675
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 1: than his own fucking trainer, and put it on a

676
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: mountain of a man who, by the way, he is

677
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,239
Speaker 1: also British and it felt like he was in the

678
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: mouth of the lion here and so I just want

679
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: to say, you're talking about Anthony Joshua was poised to

680
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: get off the mat, which I echo. But the the

681
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: what do you want to call it? The moxie the moxie.

682
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: But more than that, just the absolute certainty by Daniel

683
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: Dubois that he belonged there and he was about to

684
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: put it on this guy in front of the largest

685
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: crowd I think in British boxing history. It was is remarkable.

686
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: Let's go to the sound bite Long Island Luke of

687
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: Dan Dubois. Afterwards people are ripping him for this, but

688
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 2: like you can see in his face, he had an

689
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: unnatural level of like psychotic focus for this.

690
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: To say, man, you know, why are you not.

691
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: A like the moment never seemed remotely too big for me, nothing,

692
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: nothing shook his confidence throughout. That takes a cool customer,

693
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: And that's not the same guy who lost to Joe

694
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: Joyce or even lost to Usik to be fair, even

695
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: though his performance in that age is better, just like

696
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: it's a win for Usak, age is better.

697
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: So this is what I love about this performance. Because

698
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: on part of it is because I think AJ had

699
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: a bad strategy. And again, even if you discount the

700
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: third round, he should not have been hit as cleanly

701
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: as he was in the first round by that big

702
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: punch which he may have never recovered from. But it

703
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: is also true that dubois strategy in this fight was fantastic.

704
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: His execution of that strategy was fantastic, by pushing behind

705
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: the jab obviously, then changing the rhythm of the jab,

706
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: then doubling up on the jab, and then throwing those

707
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: right hands behind it, making by the way, what did

708
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: you always see backhand rear hand perry from AJ and

709
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: then his other hand would come out, so BC, where

710
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: was the right hand coming from right over the top?

711
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: He got hit with that multiple times. They audited this

712
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: fucking guy, did Daniel Dubois and his team, They audited

713
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: Anthony Joshua and they had him dead to rights, even when,

714
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: by the way, he gets rocked with a vicious shot

715
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: that Anthony Joshua lays on him in the fifth like

716
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: that was I thought that might have been the beginning

717
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: of the end. Because you saw Dubois wobble. What did

718
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: he redo or so what did he do? Centers himself,

719
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: bites down on the mouthpiece and fucking exchanges with the guys,

720
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: and they were such short Perfecse's exactly. So here comes Dubois. Sorry,

721
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: here comes Joshua with like a punch from Oklahoma. Ah,

722
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: and Dubois just came with a little short one. By

723
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: the way, my breakdown, you'll see it. That exact sequence

724
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: happens in the fourth round. But Dubois didn't land quite cleanly. Boy,

725
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: he landed cleanly this time. I just want to say,

726
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: for as much as you can pick on Joshua for

727
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: not doing what you know, he could probably do a

728
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: lot better win or lose, he could do it better.

729
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: Dubois finally explained to me how good he was. I

730
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: feel like after three fights, fighting Darrell Miller, stopping him,

731
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 1: fighting Felipe Herkovic, stopping him, fighting Anthony Joshua statement when

732
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: stopping him now at twenty seven, I'm like, oh, right now,

733
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: I've got a sense of how good dubwocn be. I

734
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: don't think he can beat Usik, but I think anybody

735
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: else in that division is fair fucking game.

736
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: He just nailed it. I think even against Usik, who

737
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: low blow or not and I think after watching the replay,

738
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sick guy to some degree, but I really

739
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: thought that.

740
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: Was a low blow.

741
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: It was it was borderline enough where but you could

742
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: argue there was a knockout there. And definitely he got criticized,

743
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: of course for succumbing to the jab knockout that Usik

744
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: landed later in round nine. But with this performance, it

745
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: makes you recalculate what you think Dubai is capable of. So, Luke,

746
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 2: would you say? I was talking with Brent Brookhouse the

747
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: CBS Sports over this. We're sort of re ranking on

748
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: like a pound for pound level or heavyweight division after this,

749
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: and he goes, you know, I think dubas this version

750
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: of Dubal is the third best heavyweight besides Usik in Fury.

751
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can argue against that.

752
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: That's exactly correct. That's exactly correct. So what I love

753
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: about this is he beats Miller top ten, top fifteen win,

754
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: then he beats Herkovich top seven ish win, and then

755
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: he beat AJ's That was a He was ranked third

756
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: in this division prior to this, but according to the IBF,

757
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: I think anyway, or maybe he was second in ibf

758
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: Either way, he's up there. He I think most people

759
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: had him in that two three range. He just beat

760
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: him and again stopping all three. How could you even

761
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: argue he's not the third best? What would it even be?

762
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: And by the way, again, I don't know if Tyson

763
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: Fury will end up facing him. I don't know how

764
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: that's going to go. You saw him complaining to I

765
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: think either Connor McGregor or Turkey. He's like, this guy

766
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: just cost me one hundred and fifty million dollars, and

767
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: I can understand being like what the fuck. At the

768
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: same time, would I favor Dubois over Fury, I don't know.

769
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of a toss up at this point.

770
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: But if you had asked me that a week ago,

771
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, no, Fury would just you know,

772
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: probably box circles around him, even though Duboa would make

773
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: it spirited. No Duboi, I think, with the exception of Usik,

774
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 1: can be basically anyone in that SA.

775
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: This is why heavyweight boxing is so crazy and why

776
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: we always say, you know, one punch can change everything,

777
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: and it's so true. We don't actually know what this

778
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: fight looks like. If he doesn't hit that early right

779
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: hand on AJ. We don't know if AJ's defense falls

780
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: apart completely.

781
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: But the thing is he was going for it.

782
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: No, that's the I know he got it done.

783
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: And I mean I I don't mean just literally in

784
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: that moment. I mean like the expanse of it. My dude,

785
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: this dude was trying.

786
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: My point is that this performance meant to wall look

787
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: like you can take down Godzilla. And I don't know

788
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: if this is actually him moving forward or not. It

789
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: was him for five rounds. He locked in and he

790
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: got it. But I got to give him so much

791
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: credit because he was the champion coming in and even

792
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: though we were excited about this fight in love that

793
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 2: it was such a big platform and expected to be

794
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: such a big crowd and one of the Gallagher brothers

795
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: from Oasis was gonna be there, and you know, I

796
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: got home too late. But you know script, so Luke,

797
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: obviously I want to go, Okay, I want to see

798
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: Dubal against the winner of Usik Fury too and see

799
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: what he can do there. But then you get Eddie

800
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: Hern and Anthony Joshua talking about the immediate rematch clause

801
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: that they have. But then you get Frank Warren saying

802
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: they have an immediate rematch clause. We don't, but we'd

803
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 2: still be willing to negotiate and potentially honor it because

804
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: it's such a big fight, and obviously we have to

805
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: wait on Fury NEWSIC in December. Anyway, I don't know

806
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: how that makes sense, because you know, if AJ's the

807
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: star coming in and he gets the you know, just

808
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: because Dubad didn't have one doesn't mean it cancels out Aj. Notwithstanding,

809
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: we think they're going to have to do it again.

810
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 2: So let's hear Aj talking about his future where knee jerk.

811
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: A lot of people thought he should retire right there,

812
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: but I didn't hate what AJ's saying here.

813
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: A few words.

814
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 4: Firstly, always what we head high. We took a shot

815
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 4: of success and we came up short. Unfortunately, we rolled

816
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 4: the dice Man for the third time. It's thirting well

817
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 4: titled fights. Not everyone's been successful, but everyone's been finding entertaining.

818
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 4: We're trying to create history for British boxing and I

819
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 4: think we're doing that. And also I appreciate what the

820
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 4: press media. The fans aren't here, but I thank them

821
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 4: for you guys. I'm sure you guys will let them

822
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 4: know that we're appreciating their support and probably asking do

823
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 4: I still want to continue fighting? Of course I want

824
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 4: to continue fighting. That's what I said is we took

825
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 4: a shot of success and we came up short. And

826
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 4: what does that mean? Now we're going to run away.

827
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 4: We're going to live to fight another day. And that's

828
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 4: why I am. I'm a warrior. And also before I finish,

829
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 4: we actually give credit to our opponent as well, Daniel,

830
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 4: even though when I sign up to fight opponents, I

831
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 4: am I don't really like him in my head anymore.

832
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 4: But now it's done, I take my half to him

833
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 4: and say well done Tim and his team, and also

834
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 4: thank you to my team as well.

835
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: For look, I wanted to run that because it sets

836
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: up my next question.

837
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: Good.

838
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 2: You know, I take that as pause as we just

839
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: debated that about is he going to come back? Should

840
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: he come back? It seems like he's going to come back,

841
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: and it seems like we're probably gonna get this Duba rematch.

842
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: We do now start needing to have to like look

843
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: at the totality of what a j has accomplished, especially commercially,

844
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: and you know, really start to really give him as

845
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: flowers as he really is the only guy who can

846
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: fill ninety something thousand consistently in this stadium. By the way,

847
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 2: that time he thought Carlos Takam, I think he set

848
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: the European indoor record with like seventy thousand in that

849
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 2: giant stadium, in that giant soccer stadium, which was different

850
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: than this. Do you think the balls he showed in

851
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 2: this performance and the way he's talking about, because remember

852
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: he was so maligned after the second USIK loss, when

853
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: he had that melt down in the ring, it was

854
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 2: like everything was bad about aj Do you think he

855
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: will get the flowers he deserves moving forward, not just

856
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: as a former unified champion, two time champion has a

857
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: better resume than people give him credit. Force when you

858
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: go up and down for a long time, he had

859
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: the best resume in this era in this division. But

860
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: will this toughness performance do you think make it where

861
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 2: we only talk positively about this guy moving forward? Because

862
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: he has been a monster part of this division's renaissance

863
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: in this era.

864
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: I tend to think it'll be one of those things

865
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: you'll get more of it once he's gone than while

866
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: he's here. You'll get some of it while he's here.

867
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you're doing a fair amount of glazing today,

868
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: for example.

869
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: Give the guy the respect he deserves.

870
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, teazing. I'm just teasing. But the point,

871
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: I do think that there is part of that. But

872
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: I would say that we're gonna have a debate about

873
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: whether or not we're in another golden era of a

874
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: heavyweight and I think that you can't. I don't know

875
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: how much folks are going to be able to appreciate

876
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: what AJ has done, by the way, not alone, but

877
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: as a key contributor, maybe the key contributor, until that

878
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: changes and we're in a new era of heavyweight boxing

879
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: in England or otherwise and it just doesn't look the

880
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: same anymore.

881
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: Do you know? You can trace the current boxing boom

882
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 2: in England back to him winning goal at the twenty

883
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: twelve Olympics, right like what he has done, and I've

884
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: been annoyed with him at times. I'm not some AJ

885
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: super favor, though I certainly sound like it today, but

886
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: we do have to give him that respect, dude. I mean,

887
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: you know, there was a stretch where I thought he

888
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 2: was the biggest star in the sport. You know, Canelo's

889
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: kind of taking that back and ran with it.

890
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: If there was anybody else who could take it, it would

891
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: be him.

892
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and your fury certainly popped up in big ways

893
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: after some big wins too. But I think it is

894
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: a good transition point to let's student topic. Okay, let's

895
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: get into topic number two. It's easy. This is half

896
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 2: editorial for me. The sentence, I believe it. It's about time

897
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: we wake up to the fact that we are living

898
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: in the midst of one of the greatest heavyweight eras

899
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 2: in boxing history. And it's not it's to some of us.

900
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: It kind of catches us off guard because when this

901
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: era started, which I personally believe was when Tyson Fury

902
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: upset Vladimir klitch Go in twenty fifteen, that it kicked

903
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: off this era. I think there was a hesitance for

904
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: a while because even though Fury, Wilder and Joshua at

905
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 2: those times in twenty fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen nineteen were charismatic,

906
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: huge figures, we certainly had questions of you know, are

907
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 2: they all time greats? You know, what are the big

908
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: eras in heavyweight boxing history. The nineteen seventies with Ali Frasier, Foreman,

909
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: you know, nor In so many second and third tier guys,

910
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: and then obviously the nineties Tyson Holyfield, Lewis, Ormond again

911
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: and Moore and so many others along the board. There's

912
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 2: been great heavyweights throughout history, not great eras seeing this fight,

913
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: which wouldn't even have been to watch Joshua, you know,

914
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 2: Belter novel wouldn't even have been high on your list

915
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: of like the ones we need the most. But it

916
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: kind of snuck up on us and then we're like,

917
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 2: oh my god, this has potential to be a great fight,

918
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 2: and then it freaking over delivered and gave us so

919
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: many things to talk about. Luke, there may not be

920
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 2: an exact apples to apples comparison to those two decades

921
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 2: seventies and nineties that I talked about, But in your opinion,

922
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: what has gone into making this era so compelling and

923
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: so dynamic that, if we're gonna be honest, this might

924
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: be the third greatest era we've ever seen it?

925
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: Heveryway. I hope I have a good explanation, because actually

926
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: spend some time trying to get a good answer to this.

927
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: When we when you put the rundown together, part of

928
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: the answer is going to be relatively obvious. You have

929
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: a series of different big personalities. You have an Olympic

930
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: gold medalist in the case of Anthony Joshua, and again

931
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: you have this guy who would he beat Klitchko, kind

932
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: of ascended to the top, and then he had this

933
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: dramatic downfall and then this resurgence. Meanwhile, over in the

934
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: United States there was Wilder kind of coming around. So

935
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: you have these big personnelity with big power, big ability,

936
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: and they all had these kind of unique clashes in

937
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: these unique moments in time. But really there's a bigger

938
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 1: picture you have to look at. You mentioned the nineteen

939
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: seventies as one of a golden era. Why was it

940
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: a golden era? Let's set the table and it actually

941
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: explained why how we got there. In nineteen sixty seven,

942
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali is basically stripped and then forbidden from competing

943
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: due to his stance on wanting to not fight in

944
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: the Vietnam War. He comes back I think seventy seventy one, right,

945
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 1: But what ended up happening was when he is stripped

946
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: of that there is a a what do you want

947
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 1: to call it, There's a vacuum created at the top

948
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: of boxing, which Joe Fraser ends up taking over. Ali

949
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: comes back, and I think a lot of people were like, Okay,

950
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: well Ali's better than Fraser. He's going to win, and

951
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He actually loses, and in fact has a

952
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: couple more the biggest fight of all time, biggest fight

953
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: of all time, and then has a couple more fights

954
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: and wins, but then fights Ken Norton and loses that

955
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: with a broken jaw as well. All right, but and

956
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: here's the big butt. Not only does he eventually get

957
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: some redemption over Fraser and Ken Norton again, but all

958
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: the while George Foreman was coming up as an unstoppable force.

959
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: He destroys Joe Fraser, he destroys Ken Norton, which sets

960
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: up the rumble in the jungle, and holy shit, what

961
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: did holy excuse me, what did Ali do? Showed the

962
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: rope of dope, beat him, then has the mouth knocked

963
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: him out, stopped him in there, set him in the

964
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: single digit rounds, then in the fourteenth round basically gets

965
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: Fraser to quit and wins the thriller in Manila. What

966
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to point out was there was this moment

967
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: in time where you thought there was one guy, something

968
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: stopped it, and then there was this power struggle at

969
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: the top. What we have now are these big personalities

970
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: and these big bodies in fury and Wilder and aj

971
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get to that. He

972
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: was kind of that one force who comes through and

973
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: you didn't see him coming, a cruiserweight coming through, engine

974
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: slashing through. The Olympic gold medalist, and this gypsy boxer

975
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: who's six foot nine, and then this guy who's an

976
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: all time puncher from the United States. Yes, this is

977
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 1: why it's one of those era. Big personalities, Yes, big power, yes,

978
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: big ability, Yes. Surprising storylines and surprising outcomes as there's

979
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: a battle for supremacy all the while at the top

980
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: with huge drama, huge steaks, historic success in terms of

981
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: what a guy like Usik has been able to do.

982
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you that the present is as good

983
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: as the nineteen seventies. What I'm trying to tell you

984
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: is I can hear the echoes of how it all

985
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: came together. You're seeing some of the same dynamics all

986
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: play out today.

987
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: The knee jerk thing is to say, okay, but this

988
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: crop doesn't compare to the seventies or nineties, because when

989
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: we're mentioning the names, we're literally talking about first Hall

990
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 2: of famers across the board. But it's catching up. Usik

991
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: is an all time great, like there's no question about it.

992
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: Tyson Fury is an all time great heavyweight champion. He

993
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: maybe doesn't have the long succession of wins due to

994
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: his you know, in and out of the sport and

995
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: all that, but it's sort of the most unique champions

996
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: we've ever had. Wilder will have a place in history

997
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: for as limited as he was and what he accomplished

998
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: has got a ridiculous amount of title defenses by the

999
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: way Wilder does. And then he got aj who's the

1000
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: biggest star in the sport filled stadiums, and won the

1001
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: title two times. Who knows, maybe he wins at a third.

1002
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: But I think what enters this era in the conversation

1003
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: is the depth. It doesn't have the depth of the

1004
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: seventies or the nineties, but what the sneaky part of

1005
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: those of what made those eras great, along with the

1006
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: fact that it's they're fronted by four or five Hall

1007
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: of famers like iconic guys. I mean, the nineties was

1008
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: just ridiculous, and the nineties had some of what you're

1009
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: talking about, Luke, where the power would shift a lot

1010
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: right from Tyson to holy Field, the Bow to Lennox Lewis,

1011
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: you know, George Foreman in the midst of that. But

1012
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: that had a second and third tier of heavyweights, the

1013
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: Ray Mercer types that were just awesome and could have

1014
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: been studs and any are we used to say during

1015
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: the Clitchko run, the run of the Klitschko Brothers where

1016
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: they were great in historic but there was nobody else

1017
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: in the in the division for them to fight. Of

1018
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: note that all those second and third yeard guys in

1019
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: the nine and He's probably would have been competing with

1020
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: them and winning championships too. We've got some depth in

1021
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: this era, and I think it was really Dubois sonning

1022
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: aj in the matter that he did, where you're like, okay,

1023
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: Dubois there you certainly got fun second third tier guys

1024
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: like like Julae Jeong, but you got you got Parker,

1025
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: a former world title holder, Parker who have rebuilt himself

1026
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: Joseph Parker completely very quickly.

1027
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: Parker versus Dubois, I'm all in offbsolutely.

1028
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 2: You've got you know these fun side guys like Bocoli now,

1029
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 2: Jared Anderson before that, the other big Baby. It's like,

1030
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: I know these not all these guys are world beaters,

1031
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: but you have a fun amount of depth, and I

1032
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: think ultimately it's hard to beat star Power if you

1033
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: just want to say star Power alone for seventies and

1034
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 2: nineties are the best eras you don't have to worry

1035
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: about depth or anything else, you'll win. I mean the

1036
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 2: iconic fights you mentioned in the seventies, and then we

1037
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: could obviously bring up the iconic Bow Holyfield trilogy in

1038
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: the nineties Tyson versus holy Field one and two. You know,

1039
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: lennyx LUs Versus everybody else, form and more. There's been

1040
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: so many ones. We've not only gotten big moments in

1041
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: this era, we've not only gotten big fights. But I

1042
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: think it's because everybody except Usik is vulnerable. And now

1043
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,959
Speaker 2: heavyweights are always going to be vunerab because it's heavyweight division.

1044
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: Anything can happen, but they're really vulnerable, right, Well, your

1045
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: theory has been largely dominant, but these other guys can

1046
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: aj can lose at any given moment, and that's what's

1047
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: made it so exciting.

1048
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: There's a Twitter account. They're really funny. I think it's

1049
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: acd MMA. They're on. They tweet about Boxing two, and

1050
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: he was trying to argue, not like angrily, but it

1051
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: was saying that, you know, this heavyweight era has been

1052
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: a disaster. Well because we didn't get AJ versus Wilder.

1053
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: We didn't get AJ versus Fury, which we still might get,

1054
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 1: by the way. That's still those are two major misses

1055
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 1: in an era. It is a miss. But what ends

1056
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: up happening is that you actually see that the people

1057
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: who deserve to ascend, the usiks the Fury to an extent,

1058
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: AJ had his moment and now Dubois having his moment.

1059
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: Everybody who was supposed to ascend did. Ruiz had a

1060
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: moment that made it fund but he couldn't maintain it.

1061
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: Dubois feels like he's made of more than what Ruiz

1062
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: was made of. Ruiz has some talent, but he's not

1063
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: the same. The point I'm trying to make was USI's

1064
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: ascended has been a marvel to watch at a historical

1065
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: moment in the heavyweight division. Dubois ascendency over the weekend

1066
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 1: shakes things up in this incredible power dynamic way where

1067
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: all these big personalities are now clashing within a younger

1068
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: generation looking to take over. And to your point, what

1069
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: we're ready for this. How about Dubois versus Parker. I

1070
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: would take it, duboivs Big Bang Zhang, I would take it,

1071
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: Dubois versus aj in a rematch, I would take it.

1072
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: Dubois Fury, I would take it. Duboi vs. Usk too,

1073
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: I would take it. You can match him up in

1074
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: all these different directions, and none of those fights suck.

1075
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: And I think almost all of them maybe with the

1076
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: exception of Usik, but almost all of them are winnable

1077
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 1: for now. For du Bois, this is what you're talking about.

1078
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: It's generational handing it down at the same time, it's

1079
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: these big personalities. It's the depth. Again, it does fade

1080
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: around seven or eight after that point, but you're getting

1081
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: five or six incredible guys all at the same time,

1082
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: not getting every fight we wanted, Yes, but the right

1083
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: people are ascending at the time.

1084
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 2: And to be honest, the combination of Wilder, aj Usic

1085
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: and Fury, the Big four have more personality, charisma and

1086
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: reasons for you to tune into them, sometimes just due

1087
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 2: to their social media bullshit on top of it. Then

1088
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: I think a lot of these other era tough guys

1089
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: that we had, you know what I mean, Like these

1090
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: guys are it's hard not to love these guys and

1091
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: follow them. And then you're getting to see fights in

1092
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: stadiums like this with this type of pop and circumstance,

1093
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: and you're getting the fights that we got. It's not

1094
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: just the Wilder Fury trilogy, which is an easy one

1095
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 2: to reach to as a good part of this era.

1096
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 2: We just had Usik Fury won. It may have been

1097
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 2: the greatest heavyweight title fight we've seen a long ass time.

1098
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 2: It was awesome, and now we're gonna get a second one.

1099
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: We've gotten the fights this era, even missing those two

1100
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: massive ones, and the reasons why we didn't get those

1101
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: a lot of times were largely due to the bullshit

1102
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: of modern era boxing politriics. So it's like we're still

1103
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: shooting ourselves in the foot. But to your point, the

1104
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,479
Speaker 2: right fight fighters are still getting through and we're still

1105
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 2: making the matchups even if shit goes south for the stars.

1106
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: Let's say Fury loses to Usik again, and let's say

1107
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: Aj goes out there fights but loses to Dubois. Look,

1108
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: would you turn down a non title Fury versus Joshua

1109
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: in side of the soccer stadium? No, there are men.

1110
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: I mean people are even trying to put Joshua right

1111
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 2: now in a loser leaves tom match with Deontay Wilder.

1112
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: If they booked that tomorrow at Wembley Stadium, You're gonna

1113
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, fuck, I gotta see it.

1114
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 3: Compare.

1115
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: Compare who you've got at the top of boxing, Fury

1116
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: Usk wild It's not well about Wilder, but Fury usk

1117
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: aj Dubois. Who would you want to put fifth? I mean,

1118
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 1: you could sort of take your Beang Jang BEng or Parker, however,

1119
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: because Parker has been doing pretty good recently as well. Dude,

1120
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: just compared it to what you've got a UFC right now.

1121
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,479
Speaker 1: You've got John Jones, who is one foot out the door.

1122
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: Then there's Tom aspinall okay, pretty excited about it.

1123
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: He's got two feet out the door.

1124
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: Uh. Then there's Cyril Gone, who's kind of fun, but

1125
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: we don't really know exactly what we're gonna be fights off. Yeah,

1126
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna delay it all right till three ten. And

1127
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: then you've got Volkov and Pavlovitch and Blades, and again

1128
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: those are not bad fighters, they're fun. But just compare

1129
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: the depth you have at the heavyweight division at the

1130
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: top versus this and a granted Francis is not here.

1131
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: You know, Henafahita might have a moment next month, We'll see.

1132
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: I'm just pointing out out. Are there problems with the

1133
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: heavyweight division? Yes? Is it as good as it's ever been?

1134
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: Probably not? No, I don't think it's that, But it's

1135
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: damn good. It's damn fun. And for all the misses

1136
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: that might be there and the real there's plenty of hits,

1137
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: and there's plenty of hits.

1138
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 2: Still to come. Big Bang wants to join the party.

1139
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: Can we play his call out here?

1140
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: Each conquest go the way. I'm happy for you. But

1141
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: if hey, this is this is how I speak Spanish.

1142
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 2: Call me well Bang, That's basically I'm saying, Joe and

1143
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 2: Long Island. Look, can you what luke Ren's reference before that,

1144
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: that Tyson Fury comment rings that. Let's check that.

1145
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 5: Out with Gregor Sober check it up.

1146
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I mean relative.

1147
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: So let's talk about what we do have though, because

1148
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 2: we can talk about the fights that we never got

1149
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: or that may not get It looks like we've got

1150
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: a final four right now to get back to the

1151
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: point that we were win Usik beat Fury the first

1152
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: time the four belts were unified, undispeeded heavyweight champion, one name,

1153
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: one face, one division one sport, Usik gets stripped. This

1154
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 2: is why the IBF titles now on Dubois. But if

1155
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 2: we get Usak Fury to in December, which we're getting,

1156
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 2: and if we get Aj versus Duba to, which seems

1157
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: inevitable based on the contract setup, that's kind of a

1158
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 2: final four to determine a winner. Will the winners face

1159
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five? Will we be back to the

1160
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 2: thing that unites the whole sport when you have one champion,

1161
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: one marketable, fun champion of top.

1162
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,439
Speaker 1: I don't see how it's not because if it's Aj

1163
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:47,479
Speaker 1: versus Fury, it's huge. If it's Aj versus Usic, that's

1164
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: not as exciting because if.

1165
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: He knocks out Dublan the rematch, wouldn't you talk yourself

1166
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: in fine?

1167
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,479
Speaker 1: Then fine, if you can, if you could really score

1168
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: a major redemption win, then yes, So there you have that.

1169
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: Then let's do the flip side Duboah versus Fury. I

1170
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: don't know feur we would want it, but I would

1171
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: certainly take it. Fury versus Dubo too. Sorry, Usik versus

1172
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: Dubla too, I would definitely take that. Like there's no

1173
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: permutation that isn't for big steaks and or is a

1174
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: big fight. It's just a question of whether or not

1175
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: the principles involved can be coaxed into making it.

1176
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: And anyone that's like, oh, I don't need to see

1177
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: you know, uh Usik versus Joshua again, even under that circumstance,

1178
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: isn't there a way we can talk ourselves into that

1179
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: idea that aj just fought the wrong fight twice against Usik.

1180
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: What if he came out there and tried to physically

1181
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 2: body him?

1182
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 6: Is that if you.

1183
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 3: All that?

1184
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: All right? It's fun. That's the whole point. Let's keep

1185
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: the era and enjoy it while it's here. Moving us

1186
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 2: speaking of boxing, but with an MMA twist, Dana White

1187
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 2: had a big weekend so that by the way, Friday

1188
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 2: Night was delivered a second round knockout of chemoswav Runovski

1189
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 2: on UFC Fight Pass and for the twelve and oh

1190
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: Wash Walsh it was his first fight on Irish Irish soil,

1191
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 2: but Dana White made much bigger headlines through this. Particularly,

1192
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 2: he did a media scrum after the Way and on

1193
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: Thursday with the Irish media and a Q and A

1194
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: where he said some things about the idea of him

1195
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: getting into boxing on a serious level. I know we've

1196
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: been teasing it. He's been teasing it. We've been talking

1197
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 2: about it, but Long Island. Look, can we go to

1198
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 2: the videotape first of what data said?

1199
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 7: There will be some big announcements soon. And let me

1200
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 7: tell you if you if you know anything about me,

1201
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 7: and you go back and look at anything that I

1202
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 7: ever said. I never say anything that I don't do.

1203
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: Ever.

1204
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 7: I've never said that. And we've been kicking the whole

1205
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 7: boxing thing around for a long time. You've never heard

1206
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 7: me commit and say I'm in. I'm in.

1207
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 2: Wow, So Luke. He would go on to be asked

1208
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 2: at the same Q and A like what role will

1209
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 2: you play? And here's what he said. He said, I'm HBO.

1210
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: That's the way I would look at it, So Luke.

1211
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: Given Dana's teases of late that a partnership with Turkey

1212
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 2: Ola Chick next year could be in the works for

1213
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: UFC slash ZUFA slash TKO slash in Denver Endeavor.

1214
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 1: You haven't you haven't like a stroke over there? All right, Bud?

1215
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: What type of impact if Dana goes as all in

1216
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: as he seems to be teasing and just want to

1217
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 2: let you know, like they brought the full UFC production

1218
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: for that Calum Walsh fight on Friday and it was

1219
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 2: tremendous and awesome and obviously the arena will talk about

1220
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 2: it played a big role. What type of impact do

1221
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 2: you believe Dana slash TKO slash Endeavor could have on

1222
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: the boxing markt.

1223
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question at its peak

1224
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: and showtime in HBO at their peak probably played similar

1225
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: roles in what kind of boxing aired on their network?

1226
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: How would you translate for I do want to answer

1227
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: your question, but I would like you to first translate

1228
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: what it means when Dana says I would be HBO

1229
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: so they're gonna air he wants to I think Listen,

1230
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: we both know the reality. There's big money to be

1231
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: made in big boxing fights. There's not a lot of

1232
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: money to be made in some of the smaller stuff.

1233
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: That which isn't to say they wouldn't do it. But

1234
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: at what I do think they have their eye on

1235
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: is they want to have their hand in the big events. Right.

1236
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: So what does it mean when he says think of

1237
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 1: me as HBO.

1238
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: Well, here's how I look at it, because a lot

1239
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: of people say, well, what role is he gonna play?

1240
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 2: I think when Dana was teasing after may Mack in

1241
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen that ZUFO Boxing was coming, he had the

1242
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 2: T shirts, he talked about it a lot. I think

1243
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 2: he thought he was gonna have an idea that he

1244
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: was going to come in and be a major player

1245
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 2: as a potentially promoter signing fighters. Maybe he found out

1246
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 2: that it wasn't as easy to break in as he says,

1247
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: none of these guys wanted to work with me, but

1248
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 2: the market is not only so different right now, and

1249
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 2: then you've got Saudi Arabia and Turkey Alaschic to potentially

1250
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: bankroll it that. If he's saying I want to be HBO,

1251
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 2: then Luke the you know, the previous era, the Mayweather

1252
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 2: Pacchiao era, what led to that fight, right the early too,

1253
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: the oughts and even in the late nineties. To a

1254
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: large degree, people miss those days because even though Showtime

1255
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: was there and they were always a strong either two

1256
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 2: or one B at different points, HBO was the top

1257
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: shelf in boxing. HBO was where the biggest regardless of promotion.

1258
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 2: It wasn't more. It wasn't as much back then about

1259
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 2: a promoter signs an exclusive deal with a network. That

1260
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 2: wasn't always happening. It was more about, no matter who's promoting,

1261
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 2: if I get a fight, fighter that becomes a champion,

1262
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 2: it becomes super huge and marketable, Inevitably he's going to

1263
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: go toward HBO and we're gonna make the big fight there.

1264
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: Now.

1265
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 2: Obviously, at times Showtime would compete, when they had Don

1266
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 2: King in particularly, really compete to try to pull some

1267
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: of those big fights over, and sometimes I think Showtime

1268
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 2: actually regained control, particularly in twenty thirteen when Floyd and

1269
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 2: PBC moved over there. But at that point HBO was

1270
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: not tied to necessarily two specific people. It was almost

1271
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 2: this island of elite boxing. If a fighter gets big enough,

1272
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: if and if an event gets big enough, it's going

1273
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: to be here on HBO pay per view. If Dana's

1274
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 2: thinking that, if that's what that sound bite meant, and

1275
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 2: you have the bank roll of Saudi and you potentially

1276
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 2: have what TKO or Dana would bring to the table

1277
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 2: in terms of production and quality, and you want to

1278
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 2: match the best against the best. This could mean that

1279
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 2: he's trying to say, we want to be the premiere

1280
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 2: platform in this sport, and that does change things, because

1281
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 2: I don't don't know if the Turkey League is gonna work.

1282
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,240
Speaker 2: We don't know if that if that's just a report

1283
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 2: that we read in Reuters.

1284
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 4: Or.

1285
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 2: I don't know that. I don't know. I mean, there's

1286
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 2: so much that we don't know, and obviously I'm not

1287
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: privy to it. Having just announced that card, I have

1288
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 2: no idea, but I wonder I wonder you know him

1289
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: saying I'm HBO. I think that means it's not necessarily

1290
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: about him signing fighters, but him creating the largest platform

1291
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: or Turkey's money and the big fights and the other

1292
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 2: promoters have to come to him.

1293
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: So does it let me ask me follow up here,

1294
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: So does that sound to you like Dana wants to

1295
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: battle the zone, because right now it does feel I

1296
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: don't know what top ranks future on ESPN is. I mean,

1297
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: it could be more. I just don't know. The zone

1298
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: feels like, in the absence of showtime now like they've

1299
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: kind of become the premiere by the biggest fight. Yeah,

1300
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: for sure, the biggest ones. With some exception here they're

1301
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: obviously PBC with the Canalo or Jabaski is doing big stuff.

1302
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: But he's going at them, not like not like fuck them.

1303
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: You know, I don't have the answers. I don't know

1304
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 2: what actual nests.

1305
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: Sounds like he would like to take the fights that

1306
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: they have and then he find a way to air that.

1307
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: I think he's found his lane of how he can

1308
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 2: make the impact he's trying to make, meaning Dana, and

1309
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 2: it's obviously seems to be with the influence of Turkey

1310
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: and Saudi Arabia, But I think you might have the

1311
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 2: right design in his mind if it's more like I'm

1312
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,479
Speaker 2: not a promoter, but I'm a platform. All I know is, look,

1313
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 2: it helps that it was in Ireland. It helps that

1314
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: you've got this young star on the rise in Kellum Walshoe.

1315
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 2: But like that was a that felt like a premier

1316
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 2: event in there, you know what I mean, It would

1317
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 2: be interesting to see what type of role they can

1318
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 2: play in I mean, is that what you take from

1319
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 2: that it's very cryptic obviously, but he's now not teasing it.

1320
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: He's saying I'm in, and he's saying big announcements to come.

1321
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: I take from this that getting in there and trying

1322
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: to sign fighters and then make matchups feels like the

1323
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: kind of headache that they don't want. It's already the

1324
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: toughest thing they do in MMA, and they do it

1325
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: in MMA with all the institutional advantages where they've got

1326
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: most of the fighters, they've got injury replacements, they don't

1327
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: have the ALI Act, they don't they control their own

1328
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: titles in MMA, Like, why the hell would they want

1329
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: to get into a sport where the fighters on on

1330
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: the on the on the signing guys side of it,

1331
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: where the fighters make eighty percent. I don't think they

1332
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: would want to do that. However, however, getting in on

1333
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: the side where you're helping produce events, where you're helping

1334
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: to both in person and then for television broadcast and

1335
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: then becoming because listen if you I don't Again, I

1336
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: don't know if Fight Pass features into this or not,

1337
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: but Fight Pass already airs boxing, Fight Pass already airs MMA,

1338
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,959
Speaker 1: Fight Pass Already airs kickboxing and jiu jitsu I don't know. Again,

1339
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what role fight pass plays in the

1340
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: ZUFA boxing plans, but there is a I'm gonna say

1341
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: one more time, there is a shit ton of money

1342
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: to be made potentially in being a part of boxing's

1343
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: biggest events, whether it's Canelo, whether it's aj, whether it's

1344
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: Javonte Davis. Maybe they could sign a star or two

1345
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: something like that.

1346
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: And that's what HBO also did when it was on

1347
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: top the very big stars.

1348
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: So I could see that. I could see that. But

1349
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: what I don't see them is like, we're gonna build

1350
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: a ZUFA boxing roster of like here's our straw weights,

1351
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: here's our fucking you know, cruiser weights, and our brain

1352
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: what's your weights. No, they're not going to do that.

1353
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: This is very interesting because there were times, I mean,

1354
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: do we go back to about twenty thirteen, twenty fifteen,

1355
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, were as boxing fans we ut always argue

1356
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 2: and say, well, what if Dana did come in, could

1357
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 2: he be the the change that we're looking for to

1358
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 2: get through some of this bullshit in this sport. It's

1359
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 2: not going to be just him now, but if you

1360
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 2: put those two powers together, him in Turkey. It does

1361
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 2: change a lot of the equation, how the sport can

1362
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 2: be presented, how it can be organized, how we can

1363
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: guarantee that the best will face the Beltani if financials

1364
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 2: are never an issue.

1365
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: If financials are never an issue, but just one thing

1366
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: we really have to be quite honest about is I mean,

1367
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: you saw that who was it Boxing Scene who wrote

1368
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: the article on stuff Turkey's trying to do where they

1369
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: tried to buy box Wreck and they didn't accept.

1370
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 2: I think he butt. There's a lot of rumors that

1371
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: he's buying Ring magazine.

1372
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: He's buying Ring magazine, But there was also like reported

1373
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: that there are some suggestions that there was that box

1374
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: Recros retaliated against for not wanting to sell. You know,

1375
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: here's what I'll say, Dana White and the UFC trying

1376
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: to bring their production muscle to boxing. I don't see

1377
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: as I don't by itself, I don't know what the

1378
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: problem would be. I really don't, however, any kind of

1379
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: further Saudi influence in the sport. We should be very

1380
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: very very very.

1381
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 2: I can't wait till Turkey holds your hand down the aisle.

1382
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: And it just bone saws it come on it's his thing.

1383
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 2: He likes to grab.

1384
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: Did you see him do this number? I was like,

1385
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: this is this is what they do to.

1386
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 2: Journalists to when AJ got knocked out, they did put

1387
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 2: the camera on Turkey.

1388
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: Don't be squeamish about Saudi criticism. You can't do that

1389
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:34,479
Speaker 1: on this show.

1390
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't screamish about the criticism, you know, the

1391
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: bone saw of a journalist considering I am a journalist.

1392
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 2: That's just not something I like to talk about it.

1393
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: Like Box, the one I would the one I would

1394
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: like to make is without really knowing what Dani's plans are.

1395
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: I want to be clear, here's my view. My view

1396
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: is him getting on the production slash event promotion side.

1397
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: I really think would probably be pretty good. You know,

1398
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: all things being what they are, uh and listen, has

1399
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia delivered to us some great fights? There can

1400
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: simply be no question about it. But we'd be very

1401
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: we should not be stupid and then just think, oh,

1402
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: they're just gonna give us money for free forever. There

1403
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: is going to be a cost to that. They're gonna

1404
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: want to control things. More of that is coming. Whether

1405
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: or not that is good, we will not know until

1406
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: we see what they try to do.

1407
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 2: Sure, do you feel like Dana's bored from MMA?

1408
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: I think he is bored as shit about MMA. Listen,

1409
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: what is left to do in MMA? They've built the

1410
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: biggest star even imaginable in MMA and Connor McGregor. They

1411
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: changed the game of women's sports before other places were

1412
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: changing the game of women's sports. Now, of course, there's

1413
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: other sports and associations that have done more for women's sports.

1414
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: And simply saying Circle twenty fourteen, when they brought over

1415
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: Ronda Rousey, this was a big moment in time for

1416
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: combat sports and then sports more generally. They have total

1417
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: control of the industry. They make ninety cents of every dollar.

1418
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: They went to the sphere just to fuck it because

1419
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: they could. I mean, I know it was because of

1420
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: the whole Canalo thing, but you know what I mean, Like,

1421
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: what is left to do except yes, you could grow

1422
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: the sport and China. That's more of a long term project.

1423
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: You could. They don't have competitors, so it's hard to

1424
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: they don't have competitors. I mean, there's nothing left for

1425
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: them to do in MMA except for like, you know,

1426
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: smaller things and in the scope of things, the sphere

1427
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: show is a small thing.

1428
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 2: If he takes the passion and budget that he gives

1429
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 2: to Slap and puts into boxing, that could.

1430
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: Be Listen, this is my point. Whatever they're doing with Slap,

1431
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: just let all those truck drivers go home, right, Let

1432
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: them all.

1433
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 2: Go hire them to set up the ring.

1434
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: Maybe. Listen. Let Bill's mafia go back to the parking lot. Okay,

1435
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: ok right, let him do that. Shouts to Bill's mafia.

1436
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,439
Speaker 1: You're all a bunch of fucking losers. Okay, Let Bills

1437
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: Mafia go back to the parking lots. Shut down, Slap.

1438
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: Quit giving away fourteen thousand fucking dollars worth of tickets

1439
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: for the gate and a seventeen thousand dollars gate. Put

1440
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: that energy into boxing. That to me seems like a

1441
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: much better, more winning formula. That again, a real sport

1442
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: that could really benefit from another player.

1443
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 2: Thing so just quickly. So it's hard to know how

1444
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 2: good calumulshes. He looked great on Friday night, improved to

1445
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 2: twelve to zero with ten KOs, got Freddie Roach in

1446
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 2: his corner. He has been matching at the right pace.

1447
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 2: You know, if this was supposed to be the test

1448
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 2: that pushed him let's check out the highlight. I mean,

1449
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 2: he obliterated this guy in the second arms beautifully. I'm

1450
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 2: that pounder left hand.

1451
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: Yea, Cory is good at this job by a lot.

1452
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you know him as a boxing bard

1453
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 2: of going back a long time. But this is the

1454
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 2: first time I got to work with him, and he's good. Man.

1455
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 2: He raises my game. He's good. He's really good. So Luke,

1456
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 2: it's like this arena. It wasn't like McGregor beating Brandau,

1457
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 2: which was also in that arena, but they went nuts afterwards.

1458
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 2: Let's they started throwing beer. Let's check through that.

1459
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 3: It's on that house.

1460
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 2: It's signed up three arena pere brady as.

1461
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: You got the Burger King Crown, Oh bron shot our

1462
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: like beer at the moment.

1463
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: So I already had blood on my suit from one

1464
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 2: of the undercard fights in three spots, and then I

1465
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 2: just got soaked from like the knee down on one leg.

1466
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 2: And when I was in the ring trying to do

1467
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 2: the posy, you get soaked up?

1468
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: Was that piss? No?

1469
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 2: Well, no, they're coming in like like bottle rock. I'm

1470
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 2: told that that's what they do in Dublin and that's

1471
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 2: what they do at the three Arena. Dude. I know

1472
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 2: they had Katie Taylor versus Chantel Cameron one and two

1473
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 2: in that arena.

1474
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 8: Two.

1475
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 2: Yes, it was. That was a wild event man that

1476
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 2: the Irish DA goes back there. I know, like we're

1477
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 2: talking about two different things. Were talking about Dana and Turkey.

1478
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 2: But then he's also got this project with Calm Walsh.

1479
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: I hope that he goes.

1480
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: What I mean, he might have a couple of pet

1481
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: projects to Kalen Walsh.

1482
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 2: One.

1483
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: Here's my view on Klum Walsh. I simply don't know.

1484
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: He's twenty three. He appears to be good. The guy

1485
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: he fought did not appear to be great, but it's

1486
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: you know, you're twelve fight in boxing's supposed to be decent,

1487
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: not great. He's he stopped him very quickly.

1488
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 2: He stopped him with ease.

1489
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: Nothing with these I simply don't know enough about Callum

1490
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: Walsh to really say how good he is. He seems promising.

1491
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see.

1492
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 2: We're not gonna know, obviously until he steps up even more.

1493
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 2: But he's already ranked in the top ten and two

1494
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 2: of the four sanctioned by he's at one fifty four.

1495
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 2: He wants to push himself. And I'll just say this

1496
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 2: what I have learned about him, his cool under pressure,

1497
01:05:58,240 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 2: Like this event was built for him. There's got to

1498
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 2: be so much pressure Dana's ring side, like it's you know,

1499
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 2: this is a big deal, dude. He just walks out

1500
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 2: like it's nothing and delivers. And you know there's a

1501
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 2: you ever, Like you know there's guys that are cool

1502
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 2: under fire but still will match up to the title

1503
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 2: level and not make it. Who knows, he'll have to

1504
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 2: prove it to us. But this is not too much

1505
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 2: for him to handle this, this type of push. It's

1506
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 2: it's interesting to see.

1507
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: The Irish lift the Irish man. Have you noticed that?

1508
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: How many times have you seen an Irish fighter compete

1509
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: at home and then was like, oh, the jitter's got

1510
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: to me. It feels like the crowd does such a

1511
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: good job in boosting the confidence of their countrymen, country woman,

1512
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, to to to not always win, certainly,

1513
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: but to get the best out of themselves or at

1514
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: least what they've got to give that night. I can't

1515
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: say the same for uh every place, and it's not

1516
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: as of needles. I wish I could. I wish.

1517
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 2: I don't really back our own too aggressively. It depends

1518
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 2: in the Olympics.

1519
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: It depends like if you're if you've got like you know,

1520
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: if Bud what he fought in Nebraska, I'm guessing that

1521
01:06:58,720 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: they would lift him up.

1522
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, those were wild that message.

1523
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: You know, I thought the crowd that when we saw

1524
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: Spence fy Ugas was good, not great. It was Jerry's.

1525
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 2: Working to this UK slash Ireland crowds. They're insane.

1526
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: There's just nothing quite like boxing over there. It's a

1527
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: different ball game completely in terms of the fan that there.

1528
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: You know, it was crazy is the Obviously the Irish

1529
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: are different. Actually I'm not sure how different they are.

1530
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: But the English are football crazy. The English are football

1531
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: fucking crazy. They're boxing crazy too. They're boxing crazy in

1532
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: a way that is hard to explain.

1533
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 2: And has said he's going back to Cork with with

1534
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 2: this kb'lec kel Walsh looking good so far. Let's go

1535
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:36,919
Speaker 2: to topic number four. We'll take you right back deep

1536
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 2: into the MMA. Although Tabitha Ricci baby shark was she

1537
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 2: there was ringside yes, she was wearing the crown. That

1538
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 2: was ultimately wow. Back to topic number four. Hey, Sean O'Malley,

1539
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 2: we saw him lose his Bandamay title a UFC three

1540
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 2: oh six two Morob devolished veely then reveal afterwards that

1541
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 2: there was the torn labrum in his hip that he

1542
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 2: had hip surgery scheduled. Tim Welch's coach would go on

1543
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 2: his own podcast and say that this has been recurring

1544
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 2: injury and that he didn't even want O'Malley to go

1545
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 2: forward with this fight. But that's not necessarily the meat

1546
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 2: of what we're here to talk about, because O'Malley has

1547
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 2: now declared himself chill Son and Style the undefeated champion

1548
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 2: all over again. When for a YouTube clip on his channel,

1549
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 2: he rewatched the fight and has declared that he won

1550
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 2: three to two and got robbed. So, Luke, first let

1551
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 2: me show, let me show some of this evidence. Can

1552
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 2: we go first to the twitter round up? This is

1553
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 2: this was my first look at this, Luke, I'm like,

1554
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 2: what are we doing here, Sean O'Malley. So, round one

1555
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 2: he believes he won that one hundred. Round two he

1556
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 2: lost but took little damage. Three was closer than people thought,

1557
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,799
Speaker 2: and then you know four was Morobs. But obviously O'Malley

1558
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 2: came and finished strong. Here's the video that a lot

1559
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 2: of people are reacting to.

1560
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 8: Look at I'm pressuring him and fuck he called the

1561
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:44,919
Speaker 8: time out midfight.

1562
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: I've got knocked him out or got on the way.

1563
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 3: I won that shit.

1564
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 2: I literally won that round. And that wasn't even that controversial.

1565
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 2: That's so frustrating he stopping it. Al Joe was about

1566
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 2: a fot get.

1567
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:00,799
Speaker 4: Out of the cage.

1568
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 2: He's flared up. I have it one one going in

1569
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 2: the third, no bias. It's already way different than I was,

1570
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 2: just from what I've.

1571
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 8: Been hearing people say, Dude, this round is closer than

1572
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 8: the first.

1573
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: Being a hell if he took a bad shot.

1574
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 2: There can't b what is this? I mean, the narrative

1575
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 2: is crazy. I might ask you please put on you

1576
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 2: that one.

1577
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 8: Hurt him, that one hurt him, that one fucking hurt him.

1578
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 2: Round four a lazy, lazy, this motherfucking whole for dear

1579
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 2: life too.

1580
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 8: You know, like he knows this is a fucking closing.

1581
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: It should be ten eight.

1582
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 8: I won the first third and trying to commentary, tell

1583
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 8: me I did not win that fight.

1584
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: You did not win that fight, so he said.

1585
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 2: Subsequent memes really pushing this first, third, and fifth narrative. So, Luke,

1586
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 2: he's smarter, He's a great marketer, He's a very smart kid.

1587
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 2: Is he pulling this public stunt because he's a sore loser,

1588
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 2: because he's angling for an immediate rematch, or is he

1589
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 2: just trying to make YouTube content because you can't you

1590
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 2: can't believe he believes that, correct.

1591
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: Dude, fighters believe lots of silly things. You can believe that.

1592
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 1: Why why couldn't you believe that he is?

1593
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 2: There an argument to be made after he kind of

1594
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 2: got dominated that fifth round?

1595
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: All right, So let's go through the math here a

1596
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 1: little bit. Five rounds two and four, even O'Malley agrees

1597
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: are morobs. Okay, so two and four are his round five, literally,

1598
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 1: sean O'Malleys. So if you go and look at the

1599
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: scoring of the judges, two of the three judges gave

1600
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: O'Malley round three, round three, and none of the judges

1601
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: gave him round one. So really, the only rounds you

1602
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: could look at as toss up browns would be three

1603
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: and one. So I actually went back and I watched them.

1604
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: Three you could score for O'Malley. I don't think that's crazy.

1605
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 2: That was competitive.

1606
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 1: It's certainly competitive, you could do it. So what about

1607
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 1: round one? I just don't really see an argument for

1608
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,719
Speaker 1: round one at all. He did land some decent shots

1609
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: to the body, but they did not really deter him.

1610
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: He was taken down twice, which by itself doesn't mean much,

1611
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 1: but certainly on the first takedown he got peppered with

1612
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: all kinds of shots from Morob that had a noticeable

1613
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 1: effect on his positioning and the way he moved, which

1614
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: is exactly what you're looking for. Plus he had to

1615
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: carry his weight, uh and that stuff that he was

1616
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 1: hitting Morob with. What it matters, It did not deter

1617
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 1: his behavior. In other words, who landed on the other

1618
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: guy in enough volume and to the extent that you

1619
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 1: could witness an observable change in the behavior as a consequence.

1620
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: It was Morob to O'Malley, people are fucking bored and

1621
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: YouTube does this. YouTube makes creators want to just invent

1622
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: shit because there's nothing to talk about.

1623
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 4: Now.

1624
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: Again, maybe O'Malley believes this, but I'm saying even if

1625
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't, which goes closer to what you're believing, it

1626
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: would make sense because people on YouTube when there's nothing

1627
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: to talk about, they'll just invent shit like and.

1628
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 2: If they run out of things to talk about, they'll

1629
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 2: find ways to show their butthole on.

1630
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 1: Only Fans List. I think Sean fought a better fight

1631
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: than maybe it looked in real time. But I've seen

1632
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: some people go back through and do like Zuppruterer films

1633
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 1: do not one of that shit matters. I've done this bit,

1634
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: like when Michael Bisping beat Matt Hamill. It's a very

1635
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: controversial fight. You can go back and watch it. I

1636
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: don't know if he actually deserved to win, but he

1637
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: did in the end. The fight was in England. But

1638
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: the point I'm trying to make is going back through

1639
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 1: a fight afterwards can be educational BC I learned a

1640
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: little bit more about, for example, Sean Strickland when he

1641
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 1: fought DDP by going back through the footage. I was like,

1642
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: you know what, I feel like, Sean maybe should have

1643
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:29,839
Speaker 1: gotten the nod. However, you are judging it in real time,

1644
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: your first reaction to it is quite literally the only

1645
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: one that matters. So even going back through and doing

1646
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: like a granular detail still kind of shows morob one.

1647
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: But more importantly that way of examining a fight after

1648
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: the fact. I'm not saying there's no value to it,

1649
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: but there is no value to it as it relates

1650
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: to scoring. The way in which you observe and process

1651
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: a fight in real time. Remember, guys, how to scoring war.

1652
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: A round finishes, the judge looks down at their paper,

1653
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: scores it, and then turns it in and they get

1654
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,759
Speaker 1: no do overs. That is how a fight is judged,

1655
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: for better or for worse. Under that circumstance BC and

1656
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,719
Speaker 1: watching in real time, there's an obvious case for morob

1657
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,560
Speaker 1: and a secondary method of going through it very carefully

1658
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: is nothing for scoring. It is irrelevant for scoring. It

1659
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 1: means absolutely nothing in the end.

1660
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 2: So disagree.

1661
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 1: So like from a process standpoint and just a meritocratic standpoint,

1662
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: the argument for Sean winning round one and even to

1663
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: an extent, round three is fucking shitty. It's bad. Stop this.

1664
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 2: I think it was just I think he's trying to

1665
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 2: curry favor and trying to put the idea of an

1666
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 2: immediate rematch really out there. But did we talk enough

1667
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 2: about this whole injury reveal? Because it wasn't as bad

1668
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 2: as the Dilla Shaw situation, but hearing Tim Welch speak

1669
01:13:55,640 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 2: at length. Doesn't it make you feel like they prioritize

1670
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 2: the payday and the opportunity to headline the sphere and thought,

1671
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 2: you know, I did hear Tim will say like they

1672
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 2: were they had a worse camp for the Aljo fight

1673
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: and he was in worse shape, but he just went

1674
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 2: in there knocked him out right. Aljoe made a big

1675
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 2: mistake and it happened. And maybe there was a part

1676
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 2: of them that thought, Okay, Morab will run into something

1677
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 2: and this won't become a factor. But in hindsight, with

1678
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 2: that hip injury, wasn't kicking at all take down defense with.

1679
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 1: He did kick a little later and now he threw

1680
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: a spinning kick.

1681
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 2: I went to the body. Yeah sorry, in round five

1682
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 2: went when Morob was tiring down and he can land

1683
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 2: that with a healthy hip. Is he better at take

1684
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 2: down defense against Morob in this situation where we had nothing?

1685
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 2: So I think do you think that he was content? Well,

1686
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 2: if I lose it, that's fine, I get a break,

1687
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 2: I'll get the surgery. I still got the money of

1688
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 2: the sphere? Is that just to blame of the structure

1689
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 2: we live in? Where I don't blame you know Dana

1690
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 2: and UFC for this because you can pass the medical

1691
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 2: test without revealing these things.

1692
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: Well, I mean again, people are like, how do the

1693
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 1: doctors miss this? Guys? If I go to the doctor

1694
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 1: and I have no observable injury and I just lie

1695
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 1: to them, how are they supposed to know what you have?

1696
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: Like when you go to the doctor and you tell

1697
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 1: them what's wrong, you really tell them, Hey, I have

1698
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: this symptom and this kind of thing happened to me,

1699
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: and they use that to piece together like what happened

1700
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: to you?

1701
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying. How I don't think he

1702
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 2: should be in the running for an immediate rematch when

1703
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 2: that's kind of what he did, unless you just make

1704
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:13,799
Speaker 2: the argument that they're always banged.

1705
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 1: Up before they all do that, they all lie to

1706
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: the doctors. So I don't know really how you want

1707
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: to adjudicate that. I take your point, but I don't

1708
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 1: really know what answers. But I was just gonna say this.

1709
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:26,719
Speaker 1: I have seen different responses from orthopedic surgeons about labor

1710
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 1: em tears in the hip and how obviously it's not

1711
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: ideal and it can impact your performance, but that a

1712
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 1: lot of athletes tend to go along with torn Hi

1713
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: labors in the hip on like Cortisol shots, and they're

1714
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 1: able to compete at a reasonable level. We simply don't

1715
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: know until he gets it repaired and we can judge

1716
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 1: after that.

1717
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 2: All right, Morob saw all of this and built a

1718
01:15:47,280 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 2: skit to respond with. Let's check in on that, brind

1719
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 2: What talk with.

1720
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 9: You, bro?

1721
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 2: Why you keep smoking? My friend?

1722
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 9: I thought you was just slipping. Now it's a slip

1723
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 9: time for you, bro. I'm on a bro Listen, Son,

1724
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,560
Speaker 9: don't worry about this umar Lua. I will take you

1725
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 9: to umar You got a champion anymore, and I'm gonna

1726
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 9: take belt from you again. So you try, say, Son,

1727
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 9: let's go showing. No more smoke, no more smoke. See

1728
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 9: I'm trying to say, okay, if you.

1729
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 2: Just say, it's cornysh ship.

1730
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: But I don't understand what the point is of a

1731
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:46,520
Speaker 1: skit with no punchline.

1732
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 2: What's the maybe it was lost in translation.

1733
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: What was the point of the skit with no punchline?

1734
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1735
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 8: I didn't think it was that great until the kissing part.

1736
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 8: I did laugh at that.

1737
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: Well he did that in the ring. Whatever, Yeah, stays an.

1738
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 2: Opinion of who should be next. I know we were

1739
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 2: talking about last week about the possibility of Figuredo. There's

1740
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 2: obviously Umar, but does he have enough big wins? What

1741
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 2: do you think?

1742
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: I still believe it should be Nemerga Madoff. I understand.

1743
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,799
Speaker 1: I understand the case for Figi. If they went with Figy,

1744
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,640
Speaker 1: I hardly think it's some disaster. The three wins he

1745
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 1: has at one thirty five are all really nice, Rob

1746
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 1: Fond and everybody else. It's great and I respect it,

1747
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: but not one of those wins is on par with

1748
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: Corey Sanhagen and Umar nimbergam Madov has that, plus he's

1749
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 1: got a name, Plus he's got the particular and also

1750
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 1: Figuredo has this too, but he's got the particular kind

1751
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: of skill set that could give Morob some serious problems.

1752
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: And so for that reason, I really would want to

1753
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: see it. But honestly, you can't go wrong in either direction.

1754
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 1: It's really just what they want to do. I would

1755
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 1: love to see Umar.

1756
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 2: Umar caught up on the Pound for Pound podcast with

1757
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,600
Speaker 2: Sahudo and Usman and was asked whether he feels he

1758
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 2: deserves it and all that.

1759
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 3: Let's listen, Yeah, what else has that been promised to

1760
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 3: you by Dana wier hunch that you're next for the time.

1761
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 10: They say to me, I'm mixed, but you know I

1762
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 10: don't want to wait these two guys until next year.

1763
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 10: You know I want to fight. I don't, they said,

1764
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,719
Speaker 10: he don't deserve if you have to fight. Hey, guys,

1765
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 10: I don't care about you. I just need built. You

1766
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 10: can keep built and leave. I just will come and think.

1767
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:17,759
Speaker 10: You know, I don't need your name, you, I don't interesting.

1768
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 10: I don't have anything personality with you. I just want

1769
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:22,719
Speaker 10: this built enough.

1770
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 2: So right so you you you would you don't right now?

1771
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 2: You just want you just want to be busy. You

1772
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 2: want to be He would go on to say that, uh,

1773
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 2: if I FIGUREDO gets a shot, no problem. He just

1774
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 2: wants to be active. He just wants to fight the

1775
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 2: next guy in line. First of all, his English is great.

1776
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if I really knew that. And third

1777
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 2: of all, I love the uh. I love that type

1778
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 2: of attitude, like fuck you, I want the belt. If

1779
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 2: I can't get the belt next, I'm not waiting around.

1780
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 2: Give me your next best in line, and I'll continue

1781
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 2: to show you who I am.

1782
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 1: You know I can understand that. By the way, we'll

1783
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 1: talk about it when we preview UFC Paris, but this

1784
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 1: is going to be Moi Kano's third fight in twenty

1785
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 1: twenty four. That is very rare these days for a

1786
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 1: UFC fighter. And he had a grappling match this year

1787
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 1: as well, so that kind of that I can understand it.

1788
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, I just want to stay active. It's

1789
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 1: not only how you get paid, but it's how you

1790
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: stay good, and in a sport where you can't get

1791
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: tune ups, activity is even more important. I love his attitude.

1792
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 1: That is what I mean. You give it to Figureato.

1793
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:16,719
Speaker 1: I'm not going to cry. I'll take that absolutely that division.

1794
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 2: So say all right, let's go to topic number five.

1795
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 2: We stay with the UFC. UFC Fight Night PARTI is

1796
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 2: this weekend and headlined by a really fantastic lightweight duel

1797
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 2: money Moi Kano Hi Nato. Is it Henato or hi Nato?

1798
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: It's spelled R E so the RS and H so

1799
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 1: I think it's.

1800
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 2: Henanato against of course momon honk on the BSD is

1801
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 2: back from that from that stage. What's his name, Luke?

1802
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 2: What do you believe is the central tension in this

1803
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 2: matchup between the number eleven and number twelve lightweight in

1804
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 2: the world in a fantastic main event in Paris. Styles

1805
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 2: make fights. What should we be looking for most in

1806
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 2: this one?

1807
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: Both guys are surprising well rounded in the sense they

1808
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: both can strike it out, and they both have some

1809
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: different skills, but skills on the mat just the same.

1810
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 1: BSD is looking for a bit of redemption after kind

1811
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 1: of well being finished by Dustin Quarrier. But I think

1812
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: to an extent underperforming.

1813
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 2: Head staff, right your staff victim?

1814
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: I mean no, I actually did not have staff. Did

1815
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 1: I tell you what happened?

1816
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 2: HIV? I don't know why that would be funny, but

1817
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 2: like you.

1818
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 1: Dinabate, Uh no, I'll have to tell I can tell you,

1819
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: but I never had solulitis the entire time. I had

1820
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: a completely different condition.

1821
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 2: Can I catch it by looking at you?

1822
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 1: I could rub it on you and you wouldn't get it?

1823
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 1: And now now I'm thinking of right.

1824
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 2: Well, I will will Okay back to the real topic here.

1825
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, but I had to get a biopsy done

1826
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: and they figured out it was something that masquerades as

1827
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: sollulitis but is not in fact something called morphia. Had morphia? Anyway?

1828
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 1: What was the question with central tension. Okay, so there

1829
01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:59,560
Speaker 1: is something of a redemption arc. And also this is

1830
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 1: at age I think, I think Moi Kana I believe

1831
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 1: this is he's thirty five at one fifty five. So

1832
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: this is kind of that moment where a he beat

1833
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 1: Rue Dover and he's got again the other win. I

1834
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 1: forget the tarantula, who's the tarantula? Long on Luke Turner.

1835
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: So and that was he did to get knocked down

1836
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: and Turner kind of fucked around in that fight, but

1837
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: he did really come back and perform quite ably. This

1838
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 1: will be his third fight in twenty twenty four. This

1839
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 1: is moy Kano's time. He has debuted, and when I

1840
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 1: say that, I mean he has really shown his personality.

1841
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 1: He's on this podcast. Everyone kind of knows him. Now,

1842
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: he's got a couple of great wins win at his back.

1843
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 1: He's thirty five. If he's going to make a move,

1844
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: the timing has to be now. Right. His last loss

1845
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:39,719
Speaker 1: I think was to RDA.

1846
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's won five of six and three in a.

1847
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: Row, right exactly. So BSD, however, is in a bit

1848
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: of a different position. I think he's just twenty seven,

1849
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 1: is coming off of that loss to Parier. However, you

1850
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 1: wonder about the long term upside because he has that

1851
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 1: win over Bond theme and some other ones where he

1852
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: was really just showing incredible ability. To me, the same

1853
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 1: central tension is who can define? We talk about this

1854
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 1: all the time, but it really matters here where guys

1855
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: are really well rounded, who can I think it's going

1856
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 1: to be define the terms of the fight on the

1857
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 1: other guy, And this is what I mean. BSD is

1858
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: always going to be looking for more offense and pace,

1859
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,759
Speaker 1: volume and pace. Both guys get hit a lot, BSD

1860
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Both guys land a lot, BSD

1861
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Both guys have pretty good wrestling,

1862
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 1: BSD a little bit better. Both guys have pretty good

1863
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu. Moi Kano is a little bit smoother in

1864
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: that regard. However, the age difference is noteworthy. I think

1865
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: it's a function of can BSD put a pace on

1866
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: him and just overwhelm him with offense, or can moy

1867
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: Kano be a little bit more precise while still matching

1868
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: the intensity slow the fight down a little bit. I think,

1869
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 1: take the backfight advantageous positions in the grappling, or make

1870
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 1: him fight at the end of his range, where you

1871
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 1: can really take this juggernaut like Pooria was ultimately able

1872
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 1: to do, to have some tough moments. Folks forget Pooria

1873
01:22:57,479 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: was flattened out a couple of times with his back

1874
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:01,560
Speaker 1: take in look bad for a while, but he was

1875
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: able to turn the tide. This is what I mean.

1876
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: He is dominant punching.

1877
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 2: I think we give an excuse for staff in that case.

1878
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, dude. I mean, antibiotics can really fuck

1879
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 1: you up. You know, the disease itself can fuck you up.

1880
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 1: Like it's not the same. But what I will say

1881
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 1: is this is different though. BSD had a chance to

1882
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: learn this is a five round main event, right, so

1883
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: there's a question of like the contribution of resources, but

1884
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 1: how much of a time horizon he has to give

1885
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 1: to it. I have seen the odds. You want to

1886
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,640
Speaker 1: hear the odds on this fight. Please. Our friends at

1887
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:31,879
Speaker 1: DraftKings have BSD as a I can hardly reach it minus.

1888
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: I'm so fucking old. I'm so fucking old. Look at me.

1889
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 1: BSD is a minus two to seventy favorite mo Icano

1890
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: plus two twenty.

1891
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 2: I take pictures of menus and then have to blow

1892
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,679
Speaker 2: it up. I'm not old now, I really am.

1893
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 1: Sorry.

1894
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, dude, that's the saddest thing I've ever heard

1895
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 2: that right now.

1896
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 1: So I think this is a question of who is

1897
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 1: able to either, in the case of Mokano, slow the

1898
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 1: fight down at his range or his positions, or in

1899
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 1: BSD fucking overwhelm you with offense. It's going to be

1900
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 1: a fight.

1901
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:05,719
Speaker 2: It means so much to the arc of a Mokano

1902
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 2: because it's like we talked about, like, this is his

1903
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 2: chance to prove that he's legit. This is his elite

1904
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 2: opportunity to crack that top ten in a major way

1905
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 2: and you know, approach title contention. We've seen flashes from him,

1906
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 2: We've seen this change in personality that I think has

1907
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 2: been so fun you can't wait for him to get

1908
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 2: on the microphone. He also fights like a freaking badass.

1909
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 2: But Luke, I think this is probably a matchup where

1910
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,440
Speaker 2: he's going to get lured into fighting like a badass,

1911
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 2: and it might not go its way because BSD is

1912
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 2: is so motive. Now they're putting in front of his

1913
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 2: home fans, and he's so motivated to prove that all

1914
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 2: that hype was real. And that the hiccup against Poitier

1915
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 2: was more an effect of him being limited but still

1916
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 2: almost got it done. Dude, I'm telling you, Luke, you

1917
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 2: want to book it. Book it. BSD by stoppage way

1918
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 2: Connor is going to force himself to run into something.

1919
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 2: It's going to be an absolute war until he stopped.

1920
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 2: This is bsd's moment to you know, a loss doesn't

1921
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 2: kill him. It's a bad but it doesn't kill him.

1922
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 2: But this is his moment to remind us, and he's

1923
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 2: doing it at home. Luke, you know what I'm saying.

1924
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:07,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1925
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 2: That's what I'm feeling right now. But I love this fight.

1926
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 2: Is there anything else on this card that outside of

1927
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 2: Matt Fravola's return?

1928
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 1: So two things to pay attention to.

1929
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 2: Is that a little while those long Island Horn's coming

1930
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 2: out of No okay?

1931
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: So here's what I think matters on this card. Obviously,

1932
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 1: the main event is great. Comin event is also pretty

1933
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:25,799
Speaker 1: good Nasa rodan Imovov taking on Brendan Allen. I actually

1934
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 1: love this fight a lot. That's a great, great fight.

1935
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,719
Speaker 1: By the way, our friends at DraftKings have that fight. Yeah,

1936
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 1: that's a close Oh wow that Listen to this Brendon

1937
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 1: Allen who was punching Vittri in the PFL parking lot.

1938
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 2: Whatever it was that's actually seen in that tournament is smart?

1939
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 1: Cage wasn't smart enough to be there? Was it?

1940
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:44,600
Speaker 4: Was? It?

1941
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 1: A plus one eighty five for Brendan Allen minus two

1942
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 1: twenty five. What do you think about that betting line?

1943
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:50,799
Speaker 1: Long Island? Luke? You fucking degenerate.

1944
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 8: I'm riding with Brendan Allen. I got him at plus

1945
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 8: two hundred on Draftking.

1946
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: Did you really give me your logic on this one?

1947
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 8: He's on a seven fight win streak, five of those

1948
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 8: coming by up. I just I don't know think he?

1949
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 2: Dude? Tell me, are you are you gonna be doing

1950
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 2: the mile High Minute live on Saturday during these fights?

1951
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 8: You know a BC tune in guys three PM?

1952
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 2: In these well, Luke, will he do illicit drugs on

1953
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 2: this podcast?

1954
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 1: Dude? If you pulled his blood out, we could fucking

1955
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: smoke it in a crack pipe and get high.

1956
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 2: We gotta wait till you already did all the drugs.

1957
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,560
Speaker 2: We gotta wait till you die and smoke your ashes.

1958
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 1: Okay, So also in this car, are a series of

1959
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 1: interesting kind of prospects. You mentioned Met Frovola, wouldn't call

1960
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:29,640
Speaker 1: him prospect, but he's on this car. But what I

1961
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 1: mean is there's some other ones here that are kind

1962
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 1: of interesting. So Ludavit Klein has taken on Roosevelt Roberts.

1963
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 1: That's a really fun fight there. Taylor Lapolis has taken

1964
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,640
Speaker 1: on Vince Morales. I love that fight. Eileen Peez has

1965
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:42,680
Speaker 1: taken on Darya Zelez night.

1966
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 2: Eileen Perez is going to celebrate out of control if

1967
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 2: she wins.

1968
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 1: Luke, It's just gonna be It's just gonna be a

1969
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 1: lot of torking. It's gonna be a lot of torking.

1970
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how to pronounce his first name Bolaji

1971
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 1: or Belagi, but his last name is Oki. He's a

1972
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 1: top prospect out of the European scene. Taken on Chris

1973
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: Duncan out of Scotland. That's another fun one. So, you know,

1974
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 1: not the deepest card if you're a hardcore fan. There's

1975
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 1: definitely a couple of gems there along the way, but

1976
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 1: really it's that main comin and a couple of prospects.

1977
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 1: And then shouts to Matt Frovola, we love him as well.

1978
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt for he just had him and his wife

1979
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 2: just had a baby.

1980
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 1: Shout out there.

1981
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 2: Do you see Long Island? Luke, you're in You're in Huntington.

1982
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 2: Do you ever cross pass with Team for Vola?

1983
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:20,679
Speaker 8: I have run into Matt Fravola at the coffee shop

1984
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:22,640
Speaker 8: on numerous occasions like that.

1985
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: At the coffee shop Ape.

1986
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 2: Oh, come on, that's our guy right there. That's it

1987
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 2: Long Island, Luke.

1988
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 1: It's weird. It's weird. I really love New York and

1989
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: the surrounding areas, but the New York accent drives me

1990
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:36,480
Speaker 1: fucking crazy. I can't stand.

1991
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 2: Long Island accent is a little bit more.

1992
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 1: What's the difference between the Long Island accent and like

1993
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 1: a Brooklyn or accent or something like that. I don't

1994
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 1: honestly know.

1995
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 8: That's that's where someone else blends Austin's on Long.

1996
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: Island rules, Luke, almost worthless?

1997
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 2: Almost.

1998
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:53,680
Speaker 8: Speaking of rules, the Grand Final is this Friday night

1999
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 8: at midnight. That's like their super Bowl, big deal, all right?

2000
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 8: And who's playing the Brisbin Lions and sid Swamp.

2001
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fuck abouts and the Wallaby smackows.

2002
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 2: Is is there a crossover between MMA Australian fans and

2003
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 2: Australian rules football fans.

2004
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, dude. I watch Australians football and sometimes

2005
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,520
Speaker 1: it looks like MMA. I mean, these motherfuckers.

2006
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 8: Shout out to Tim Simpson, the manager. He's a big

2007
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 8: West Coast Eagles fan. That's an Aussie Reels team.

2008
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 1: So there is some problems.

2009
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to all those as people. I like

2010
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:24,759
Speaker 2: Aussie people. We should go out, we should tick the podcast.

2011
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 1: My wife is going to Australia this year for work.

2012
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 1: I know, I'm fucking jealous.

2013
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 2: You know what's gonna happen in the week that she's gone,

2014
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 2: The biggest fight of the year, Well happen. It's inevitable

2015
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 2: when either of our wife.

2016
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 1: I actually looked at the calendar this time, it won't

2017
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 1: be that bad, thank god. But all right, so let

2018
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 1: me ask you real quick. We didn't put it on

2019
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 1: the rundown.

2020
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 2: I think what else you got for?

2021
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 1: What do you think about a proposed fight between Jervonte

2022
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:44,679
Speaker 1: Davis and Lamont Roach in DC?

2023
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:48,560
Speaker 2: So I know that that's a giant deal in d

2024
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 2: C and they're going to sell out that arena, and

2025
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 2: they were amateur rivals and Roach is a champion at

2026
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 2: one thirty and he's I mean, he's looking good lately.

2027
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 2: But we were talking, we were talking about him fighting

2028
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 2: Loma or maybe Shakoor.

2029
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 1: Dude.

2030
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 2: I liked the idea of him fighting Valenzuela at one

2031
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 2: for the title. Jose Valenzuela just beat Rod Hippol. But

2032
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 2: I saw Robert Garcia, Valonzuela's trainer put up I five

2033
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 2: that Tanks team wanted at one thirty five. Don't know

2034
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 2: if that's true, but that was his opinion on that.

2035
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 2: It's an interesting fight. It's not an awful fight, but

2036
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 2: I feel like with so many big fights being made

2037
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 2: and Tank seems to be on the other side of

2038
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 2: the street of Turkey, I wanted him to come back

2039
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 2: with a bigger bed.

2040
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, and if I'm full

2041
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 1: of shit, please tell me a full of shit because

2042
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 1: I actually don't know the answer to this. But for example,

2043
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,520
Speaker 1: you look at the Canela fight against Berloga, not a

2044
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 1: not the fight that should have happened. However, it was

2045
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 1: a commercial success. I think seventeen million at the gate.

2046
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 1: They're saying six to fifty on pay per view. I

2047
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 1: think it's a little bit high, but it probably did

2048
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 1: not do poorly. It probably did very very well, right,

2049
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:49,719
Speaker 1: But the problem with that is it's like, I don't

2050
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 1: mind that Canela made money, but this is not the

2051
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 1: I mean, if what incentive do you have to take fights?

2052
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: If you can just not take the ones that matter

2053
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 1: and still do Matt sieve massive box office returns. To

2054
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 1: your point, if they make that Roach versus Gavante fight,

2055
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 1: I don't know what it would do on pay per view,

2056
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 1: but if he gets a cut of the gate, I mean,

2057
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna sell that out fucking instantly in DC at

2058
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 1: the Capitol Wanner and I.

2059
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:14,599
Speaker 2: Guarante if he's going to be active. I don't mind

2060
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 2: these in between. This is an interesting matchup.

2061
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 1: That's a huge fight in that area. But here's the

2062
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 1: what I'm asking you. How many times have we watched

2063
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 1: Jake Paul compete and it's like this, You know, he's

2064
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 1: fighting fucking pre diabetic gas station attendance and he's whooping

2065
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 1: them out, and then it still does like good numbers,

2066
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 1: it still sells. It's still obviously the stuff he was

2067
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 1: doing at the Caribe Royale whatever not so much. But

2068
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 1: anybody else it was big has YouTube boxing and that

2069
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 1: whole thing. Has that made us Let me ask you

2070
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 1: a question. Has that dulled are sense of competitive rivalry?

2071
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 1: Where not that you wouldn't pay more or Benavidez fight,

2072
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 1: or you wouldn't be more intrigued. But it feels like

2073
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:00,599
Speaker 1: we've created a world where as long as you're popular

2074
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:05,599
Speaker 1: and you're reasonably active, there are not many demands placed

2075
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:08,600
Speaker 1: on you where there are box office returns that directly

2076
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:10,719
Speaker 1: correlate to opponent quality.

2077
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 2: I don't think it has anything to do with YouTube,

2078
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 2: because that's been boxing's reality for a couple of decades now.

2079
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like, what what was the equivalent

2080
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 1: of Floyd taking a fight like that? Berto was a

2081
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 1: world champion, that was his last one.

2082
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Berto was three and three in his last

2083
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 2: six at that point and was a little bit after it.

2084
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 2: But that was Floyd's retirement fight, so.

2085
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 1: It was a little little different intable.

2086
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 2: I mean, that fight was almost on CBS but right way.

2087
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 1: And also that fight didn't do that great on pay

2088
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 1: per view. This is what I mean. Canello's fighting fucking

2089
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 1: Berloga and it's doing at least five hundred k or more.

2090
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 1: Why would you ever take a tough.

2091
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 2: Fight hashtag that's boxing. I mean, that's the shocking.

2092
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 1: But that's always been true that opponent quality had no

2093
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:48,280
Speaker 1: relationship too.

2094
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:51,880
Speaker 2: No, not no relationship, but you know, like we're more

2095
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 2: easy to forgive in boxing and just be happy that

2096
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 2: the star is back in the ring sometimes then.

2097
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 1: So your point is that, you know, not every time,

2098
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 1: but there's been a long history of guys not taking

2099
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 1: big fights and then still not suffering.

2100
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, or you delay the big fight a little bit

2101
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 2: more and take a couple of matches the delay.

2102
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: But I always felt like there was a trade off

2103
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:09,760
Speaker 1: in what you could pull at the box office. But

2104
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 1: then Canelo is going out there just fighting Dawn.

2105
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 2: That makes it easier to do that. But yeah, I

2106
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 2: mean I could think of better opponents that I'd want

2107
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 2: than Roach. It's not a bad fight at all. It's

2108
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 2: an interesting fighty size, but I yeah, because it fits

2109
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 2: the narrative of oh, you're just fighting more like he

2110
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 2: thought Hector Garcia and like a stay busy before Ryan, but.

2111
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 1: It was different because he was back from jail, right,

2112
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 1: he was the first fight back from jail.

2113
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:31,679
Speaker 2: And I don't hate that it's a champion, undefeated champion

2114
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 2: in a lower way class. Moving up, but to do

2115
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 2: that again right now?

2116
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 1: Also, I want to say this in defensive Davante. I

2117
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 1: hope the roach fight, if it happens, is one thirty five.

2118
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 1: But whatever, he did try to make the Loma fight

2119
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 1: and it wasn't his fault that it fell. Loma pulled out.

2120
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 1: So whatever.

2121
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:50,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go. Look dating on your phone?

2122
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 1: Right? Yes?

2123
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,639
Speaker 2: How about banking on your phone? How about looking at

2124
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 2: the latest news on your phone? How about ordering lottery tickets? Well,

2125
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2128
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Speaker 2: All right, Let's see the first question coming in here

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Speaker 2: and it is from at rundem Cheeks at seventeen seventy five. Uh,

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Speaker 2: do we have a beating Nirgan and Ghanu curse on

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Speaker 2: our hands? So beating Francis and Ghana which AJ did

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Speaker 2: and then got destroyed.

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Speaker 1: Did step a lose after beating in Ghana the first.

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Speaker 2: Time to DC. Yeah, Summer did he? I believe.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know a curse.

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01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:04,720
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't people.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, because he beat and gone who to get the

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Speaker 8: third title defense. Then he lost to d C the

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01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 8: first fight and then won the second two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you're right, You're right.

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Speaker 2: I don't think this curse is real.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think curses are real.

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Speaker 2: But I will say the mku what was that that

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01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 2: vehicle we used to have ree that was a real

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01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 2: curse for a while.

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Speaker 1: It was never real. It was never real. It was

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Speaker 1: a figment of everyone's imagination.

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Speaker 2: Imagination Land, I think you've got a curse in your durease.

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Speaker 1: I let out a curse on that fucking I am

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Speaker 1: so desperate to have like a not want. I want

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Speaker 1: to wait until I got like really bad diarrhea and

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Speaker 1: then go in the non shitting shitter and just let

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Speaker 1: people have it in there.

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Speaker 2: Are we?

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01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 1: I didn't do that?

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Speaker 4: Are we?

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01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:52,799
Speaker 2: Also forgetting Tyson Fury who defeated and got a Westplit

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01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:55,599
Speaker 2: decision and then lost it. That's part of the curse too,

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Speaker 2: That's okay, fair enough now long, I don't look, can

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01:35:58,600 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 2: you judge this is a curse or not?

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Speaker 1: I think it needs one more to be a curt

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Speaker 1: It's four.

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01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:07,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So if Hennan Fajeda defeats Anganu and then instantly

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Speaker 2: loses in the word.

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Speaker 1: Which by the way, is entirely possible because he's big

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01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:13,280
Speaker 1: and strong and powerful, but he's also a fucking dunk

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Speaker 1: and he's got a really lopsided game like that is

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01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 1: entirely a thing that could happen.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Let's go to our second DM question here from

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Speaker 2: at Jacob Breechie or Jacob b Richie. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: With most champs and many top contenders leaning on control

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Speaker 2: and ground game, do you see us entering a less

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01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 2: than friendly era at the top of the big cards.

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Speaker 2: They're talking about MMA, they're probably talking about the UFC luke.

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01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:39,599
Speaker 2: Has UFC championship level become too grapple heavy in this era?

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01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 1: I don't think grappling is the problem. Had I made

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01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 1: a couple of videos last week on my YouTube channel

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01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,760
Speaker 1: about this. I don't think grappling is the problem. I

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01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 1: think we and I know I understand that. When I

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01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 1: make this argument, I realize there are a lot of

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01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:55,559
Speaker 1: people who disagree, including people whove been around the sport

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Speaker 1: for a long time. But the answer to this problem

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01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 1: already the Jutt told, I mean grappling is funny. BC.

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01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:05,839
Speaker 1: Grappling has in some way has never been more pre eminent,

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01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:09,639
Speaker 1: and yet it is also scored the least as it's

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01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:12,360
Speaker 1: ever been scored in the history of MMA. They have

2214
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 1: minimized what grappling actually counts in the rules, and yet

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01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:18,559
Speaker 1: you still get this much of it. The problem BCE

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01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:21,640
Speaker 1: is not grappling, which won't go away. The problem is

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01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 1: I saw everyone getting on Herb Dean for telling Morob,

2218
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 1: who was visibly fucking stalling, to do more, and then

2219
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:31,639
Speaker 1: they say things like, well, look how much he works overall,

2220
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 1: which is true, that has nothing to do with whether

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01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 1: or not he's working in those particular moments. My point

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01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:40,320
Speaker 1: is we need to do what one championship does, empower

2223
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 1: the referees to demand more. There are limits to that there,

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01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 1: you can go too far with it, but that's the

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01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 1: only way to consistently get and drive more action. It

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01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:55,360
Speaker 1: is what they do in collegiate and scholastic wrestling. The

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01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 1: referees there, we'll call it on your ass super quickly.

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01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,200
Speaker 1: That's a little much I think for MMA. But that's

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01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 1: the solution to the problem.

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01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:06,519
Speaker 2: I prefer brawls. I prefer Bonna versus Griffin one. But

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01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:08,720
Speaker 2: I also like, really like skill, and if these are

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01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 2: guys that are dominant in these areas, it's up to

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01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:12,599
Speaker 2: the game to catch up. Here's up to the game

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01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:13,599
Speaker 2: to catch up and figure it out.

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Speaker 1: So here's the problem. Here's the problem. Why did GSP

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01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 1: go from like using the full breadth of his skills

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01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 1: to just becoming a wrestler and like the last like

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01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 1: forty percent of his career. And the answer is, when

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Speaker 1: you take a fight down and you control the person,

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Speaker 1: and especially from top position, you reduce the amount of

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01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 1: variable chaos that you have to account for when you're

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01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 1: just standing with a guy, no doubt. And so if

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01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:38,600
Speaker 1: that's always going to be the case, you still have

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01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:41,679
Speaker 1: things to worry about, but it's far fewer, relatively speaking,

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01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:45,639
Speaker 1: if that incentive structure is in place. Asking people to

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01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:48,680
Speaker 1: not grapple is a waste of time, giving referees the

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01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 1: power to be like, hey, fucking do something with it.

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01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 2: That is, I mean, you could say, well, I don't

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01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 2: want to change the rules more because it's going to

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Speaker 2: change the way they fight. They do that shit in

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01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:58,559
Speaker 2: the NBA. In the NFL they change all the rules

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01:38:58,600 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 2: to increase You.

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01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 1: See the kickoffs this what do you think of the

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01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 1: new kickoff rule Long Island Luke in the In the NFL.

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Speaker 8: I'm not the biggest NFL fan, but I've noticed that

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01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 8: it's weird. They all stand still. They got to wait

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01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 8: for the ball to be caught.

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01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they start They start much closer so they

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01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 1: don't have the same kinds of insane collisions. And also

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01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 1: depending on where the ball lands will determine whether or

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01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 1: not they run it background or not.

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01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 2: That original XFL rule for the opening coin flip when

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01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 2: they just like they both.

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01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 1: Got they both got Crispin Wasaseet doing that ship?

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Speaker 6: Wow?

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01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:27,639
Speaker 1: Wow? But what I'm trying to make is they tweak

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01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 1: the rules all the time to either make it better

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01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 1: for the players, better for the fan, some kind of

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01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 1: problem they're trying to solve. We already have seen a

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01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:37,559
Speaker 1: blueprint for how this can work with referees in another

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01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:42,080
Speaker 1: combat sport. Oh, by the way, wrestling. This is what

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01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 1: I love wrestling. I've talked about this before. BC referees

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01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:46,760
Speaker 1: Position one hand around the waist, one hand behind the

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01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 1: elbow when they're down like this on the knees in

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01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:50,679
Speaker 1: their hands. They don't allow you to lock your hands

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01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:52,759
Speaker 1: there in wrestling because if you do, it's basically fucking

2277
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:55,880
Speaker 1: impossible to break. They want to allow that in MMA

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01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 1: and then also not allow the referee to be like, yo,

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01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 1: fucking do something with it.

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01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, do something, just like when the referees call you

2281
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:05,800
Speaker 2: at home. If Keith Peterson calls you, can you tell

2282
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 2: me what it smells like through the receiver, please?

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01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:12,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:14,560
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of Dennis Leary, I know, you know

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01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 2: it's my favorite go to.

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01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 1: Actually, this is a Bill Hicks joke that Dennis Leary. Yes,

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01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:20,880
Speaker 1: most of them young today they.

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01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:23,680
Speaker 2: Don't know about Bill Hicks, but I don't even think

2289
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:25,640
Speaker 2: they know how good no cure for cancer still is.

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01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 1: Again, it's a lot of Bill Hicks material. So it's

2291
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 1: very Bill Hicks was much better. You know that, right,

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01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 1: I do know that.

2293
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 2: But I still saw Dennis Larry once at ESPN and

2294
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:35,760
Speaker 2: was too afraid to talk to him. That was the

2295
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:37,560
Speaker 2: only other time it happened with Darryl Strawberry.

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01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:39,560
Speaker 1: You do coke with Darryl Strawberry.

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01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:41,880
Speaker 2: No, but that's my guy, Like I was too afraid that.

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01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:43,840
Speaker 2: I actually was like, two, I didn't words did not

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01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:44,200
Speaker 2: come out.

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01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:46,799
Speaker 1: You're a Mets guy, right, it was, But I don't.

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01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 2: Really watch baseball anymore. Let's go to the next d

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01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 2: Tom last week. Yeah, dude, I did. I did. Man

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01:40:52,479 --> 01:40:54,720
Speaker 2: my buddy's Paul Severino, the play by play voice of

2304
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 2: the Marlins, got to call that historic night maybe the

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01:40:57,080 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 2: greatest single effort insane baseball player that time. That lady

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01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 2: with the big jugs Morgan and the Kissing Bandit came

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01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:07,599
Speaker 2: out and was like, hey from DC dot Callagan three.

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01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 2: What were some of BC's highlights during his time in Dublin.

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01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:13,720
Speaker 2: Hope he got to practice that Irish good But I

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01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 2: think I did more of a Lithuania Goodbye on Ireland

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01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:16,879
Speaker 2: because I didn't.

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01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:18,599
Speaker 1: See as much as Uber eats when you were there.

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01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:21,160
Speaker 2: I did Uber. It's the food sucks in Ireland. People

2314
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 2: are great, Candy's great, and I mean actual candy. Now

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01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:27,000
Speaker 2: I'm not making cocaine references there. I went out the

2316
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:29,080
Speaker 2: first night for some drinks with the team and all that,

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01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 2: and I got that taste of you know, the Dublin thing.

2318
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 2: But dude, this week became it was a work week.

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01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:35,800
Speaker 2: It was a work week and and and I was

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01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 2: I was focused. I was a little nervous.

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01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:40,759
Speaker 1: It was it was how much do horrors cost in Dublin.

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01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:42,680
Speaker 2: I don't have that information or that answer. So I

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01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:44,280
Speaker 2: didn't get to see I know, some people were hoping

2324
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:45,840
Speaker 2: to have like a BC meet up, and like I said,

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01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 2: like we talked about earlier, we'll, you know, grab a mug.

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01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:50,400
Speaker 2: I did get to get some guinness on tap, but

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01:41:50,439 --> 01:41:52,240
Speaker 2: I didn't go much further than that. It was kind

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01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:53,880
Speaker 2: of hard because I just got back from London and

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01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 2: Paris and did the whole vacation things and now it's like,

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01:41:57,200 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 2: you know.

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01:41:57,560 --> 01:41:59,200
Speaker 1: Also, people are saying you're there to fucking work.

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01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 2: I'm there to work, and it's it's seriously.

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01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:02,840
Speaker 1: At me, like, oh, you go to Vegas for work

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01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 1: a lot? How does that feel? And I'm like, I

2335
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 1: fucking hate every time I go. It's the fucking worst.

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01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:08,599
Speaker 1: That's what That's how I feel about it.

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01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, I didn't get to see a lot. I

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01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 2: went for a walk. I did some things, but not

2339
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 2: too much. I'd like to see more Luke. When it

2340
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 2: comes to Ireland of the countryside of the of the

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01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:20,360
Speaker 2: You know, I'll go to that place where they filmed

2342
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:24,840
Speaker 2: that h Star Wars movie when Luke was an old piece. Yeah,

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01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:26,639
Speaker 2: I'd like to go there. I'd like to check that out.

2344
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:29,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, you like, where are the whores.

2345
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 2: It's not that the the the people are awesome, though

2346
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 2: the crowd was insane. Yeah, I really enjoyed it.

2347
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:38,519
Speaker 1: I was the Guinness on tap in Ireland, so it

2348
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:41,000
Speaker 1: was really good. It's way better than I've ever had here.

2349
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:43,120
Speaker 2: But I have to say it wasn't like it's not

2350
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 2: oh my god, let me get nine of these.

2351
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 1: You know, they eat dog food over there, all right.

2352
01:42:47,320 --> 01:42:49,120
Speaker 1: I mean they just don't know what they're talking about,

2353
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:51,840
Speaker 1: so it is better. It is different, but they act

2354
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,280
Speaker 1: like it's some kind of fucking miracle of science that

2355
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:56,599
Speaker 1: when they have one. I'm like, it's a tasty beer.

2356
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 1: It's nothing special, it's nothing.

2357
01:42:58,600 --> 01:42:58,960
Speaker 7: The fight.

2358
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:01,800
Speaker 2: The Irish fighters fun to interview, like it's a good

2359
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 2: Irish are great people really are.

2360
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:05,000
Speaker 1: So I hope to get a chance to go back

2361
01:43:05,240 --> 01:43:06,759
Speaker 1: dog food, but they're nice people.

2362
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:09,120
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to attack Europe too bad. It's so expensive,

2363
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:09,880
Speaker 2: but like you know, going.

2364
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:11,680
Speaker 1: To it's not expensive Europe is much cheaper than the

2365
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:12,560
Speaker 1: United States.

2366
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:14,519
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you're gonna go fly to like

2367
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:17,000
Speaker 2: Italy or something, but you know you're gonna pay, it's

2368
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 2: a big it's a big trip.

2369
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:21,519
Speaker 1: It's not just the dollar is strong right now, really strong. No,

2370
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 1: it's true, like a buddy mine just moved to Spain.

2371
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:26,519
Speaker 1: Like you can survive in Spain with a decent life

2372
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 1: on thirty. Switzerland's little bit different. It's a little bit

2373
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 1: in general, just big swaths of Europe that are much

2374
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:33,120
Speaker 1: cheaper than did you.

2375
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:35,160
Speaker 2: Have you visited most of Europe in your time?

2376
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:37,720
Speaker 1: I have visited most of Europe? Yeah, all right, I

2377
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:39,920
Speaker 1: mean I've not been to places like Romania, you know.

2378
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:42,439
Speaker 2: But have you tried six trade?

2379
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:44,759
Speaker 1: I have not, but I really should.

2380
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, you really should. You got any more of them?

2381
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:54,519
Speaker 2: Ship Chin? What do you got here? He can sing?

2382
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 2: You ever listened to chiin? You can sing? I have

2383
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:59,680
Speaker 2: not heard him saying now like seriously, like panties just

2384
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 2: fall off left and right?

2385
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:02,599
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I bet yours were.

2386
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:07,960
Speaker 2: From at flannels and midgets. What are the top five

2387
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:10,920
Speaker 2: fights we never got to see in Mma and.

2388
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:13,599
Speaker 1: So Coutur versus fad or Brock versus fad Or got

2389
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:15,200
Speaker 1: to be two big ones for sure.

2390
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:21,280
Speaker 2: Yes, Francis versus John, Francis versus John to Tom versus Johnson,

2391
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 2: GSP versus Anderson, I would as just a super fight, windows.

2392
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:27,040
Speaker 1: Yes, I do think that they should have made it.

2393
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:28,680
Speaker 1: The big problem for folks who didn't live through that

2394
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:32,120
Speaker 1: era was that they never could really come to a

2395
01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:34,559
Speaker 1: Anderson was always like, I'll cut the weight, but then

2396
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:36,599
Speaker 1: UFC was like, we don't want you to. They could

2397
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:38,760
Speaker 1: never really come to a consensus on weight class, which

2398
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:41,519
Speaker 1: is why when like this is why people call GSP

2399
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of an opportunist, because he was like, yeah,

2400
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to cut down or you know, if

2401
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:48,040
Speaker 1: if a Silva cuts down, it's not going to make sense,

2402
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:49,840
Speaker 1: and I don't really want to go to one any five.

2403
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:51,280
Speaker 1: And then he like waits a little.

2404
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:51,519
Speaker 2: Bit and then.

2405
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 1: And then he goes on five and then he's like, Okay,

2406
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm done, you know what I mean.

2407
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:57,719
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like it would have been an event.

2408
01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:59,320
Speaker 2: I think it would have been the perfect event to

2409
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:01,160
Speaker 2: showcase the our power and you have see and get

2410
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:01,840
Speaker 2: everyone's attention.

2411
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:03,760
Speaker 1: That's another big one box you never got kid, you

2412
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 1: have a moto versus your right favor, which was another

2413
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:08,160
Speaker 1: big one at the time. Yes, true, there's a there's

2414
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 1: a bunch you never got. There's a bunch that is true.

2415
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 2: We never got Rose uh wayy three. But I've seen

2416
01:45:13,240 --> 01:45:16,800
Speaker 2: to be the only one that cares about that. Bob

2417
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:19,879
Speaker 2: tonybe is probably the number one answer. We just completely

2418
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 2: looked past it happened. Tony Habib is Randy Okay, Randy

2419
01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 2: Faydor is the number one answer.

2420
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 1: I think brock fad Or is the number one answer.

2421
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:30,880
Speaker 2: What do you think, Well, brock Fador is a creative fight,

2422
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:32,639
Speaker 2: but Randy Fador needed to happen.

2423
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they almost got close to it. They got

2424
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:36,360
Speaker 1: they got close to it. I know.

2425
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:40,719
Speaker 8: I think from like a casual fans standpoint, brock fade

2426
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:41,080
Speaker 8: or whatever.

2427
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 2: In boxing, we're talking about Ridick Bow versus Lennox lewis

2428
01:45:44,439 --> 01:45:46,040
Speaker 2: the big one right there. They met in the Olympics,

2429
01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:48,160
Speaker 2: both through the thing in the trash to avoid having

2430
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:50,519
Speaker 2: to fight him. As a pro A lot of people

2431
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:55,479
Speaker 2: would have loved Sugar Ray Leonard versus not against prior

2432
01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 2: Aaron Pryor, but there was really never a window for

2433
01:45:58,040 --> 01:45:58,760
Speaker 2: that one to work.

2434
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:01,040
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of fights you could have made with

2435
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:02,439
Speaker 1: salvad Or Sanchez, but he was killed.

2436
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I think, well some people think you

2437
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:08,760
Speaker 2: know Edwin and Valero had a ben Wahl like exit unfortunately,

2438
01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:10,759
Speaker 2: but like he was getting set up to fight Paqiao

2439
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,920
Speaker 2: and that was seriously a matchup that that. Also we're

2440
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:16,160
Speaker 2: going to talk about fury Aj if they don't ever fight,

2441
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:17,759
Speaker 2: I think they will. I really think they.

2442
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:19,519
Speaker 1: Did get Floyd Manny, but you got it kind of late.

2443
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:20,519
Speaker 2: Did get it kind of late?

2444
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:21,920
Speaker 1: You did?

2445
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean boxing, You're gonna have a lot more

2446
01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:26,720
Speaker 2: scenarios where we can go each division by division and

2447
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:28,599
Speaker 2: be like, man, we should have gotten that or gotten

2448
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:31,599
Speaker 2: so much more. And then does have a good track record. Seriously,

2449
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:33,120
Speaker 2: it does have a very good track record. But they

2450
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:33,880
Speaker 2: also control the ship.

2451
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:34,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, they control the whole thing.

2452
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 2: I think. I think that's it right there. A couple more,

2453
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:41,280
Speaker 2: I think, Okay, from at our Hoop Triple A four twenty.

2454
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:43,160
Speaker 1: That's a person who does a lot of drugs.

2455
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 2: Well, this question looks like it. Fifty hawks, ten crocodiles,

2456
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:49,360
Speaker 2: three brown bears, fifteen wolves, one hunter, seven cape buffalo,

2457
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:52,479
Speaker 2: ten thousand rats, five gorillas and four lions. You must

2458
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:54,760
Speaker 2: pick two that will defend you while the rest are

2459
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:59,280
Speaker 2: coming to kill you. Which two do you pick? And why?

2460
01:46:59,400 --> 01:47:01,559
Speaker 1: This is the first question, but it's a terrible question.

2461
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:04,000
Speaker 1: But I think you got to go with both volume

2462
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 1: and you got to go with like grunt power.

2463
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:09,799
Speaker 2: Okay, the five gorillas are going to tear up groups

2464
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:10,599
Speaker 2: of those other animals.

2465
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure about that. I have Well, the

2466
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:17,320
Speaker 1: brown bears are tough, so the exactly the bears? To me?

2467
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:19,880
Speaker 1: I at one time I did this who would win?

2468
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:21,519
Speaker 1: I had a debate with Dan Hardy who would win

2469
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 1: a gorilla or a bear? And then an anthropologist wait

2470
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 1: in and was like, the bear would smash them to pieces,

2471
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:28,160
Speaker 1: but you only get three of them.

2472
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:30,479
Speaker 2: See, I'm so not into animals killing each other on tape.

2473
01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:32,000
Speaker 2: I know there's like a whole genre of that for

2474
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 2: people that love to like if you want.

2475
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:37,200
Speaker 1: To watch you want to watch people shoot people in

2476
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:40,080
Speaker 1: liquor stores, or you want to watch animals come to

2477
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:42,479
Speaker 1: violent conclusions, Twitter is a great place for you.

2478
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:45,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I used to watch bum fights. You know,

2479
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:46,960
Speaker 2: back in the year early two thousand.

2480
01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:48,720
Speaker 1: Guys would like break their ankles and they'd pay them

2481
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:49,560
Speaker 1: with like a forty.

2482
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 2: Ou So I watched Faces of Death as a kid.

2483
01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:54,040
Speaker 1: You know those are not real.

2484
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 2: Those I like to believe that they I'm going to

2485
01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 2: go with.

2486
01:47:56,800 --> 01:48:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with fifteen wool wolves and probably.

2487
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:03,639
Speaker 2: Fifteen of them.

2488
01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:05,559
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of wolves. Bro. You've ever seen

2489
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:06,960
Speaker 1: how big a gorilla.

2490
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:08,439
Speaker 2: Would destroy a bunch of wolves?

2491
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:11,080
Speaker 1: Right, I don't know about that. I don't know about that.

2492
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:13,479
Speaker 1: By the way, all the New Yorkers in the back

2493
01:48:13,479 --> 01:48:15,639
Speaker 1: were all like, you know, ten thousand rats. I'm like, hey, listen,

2494
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:18,000
Speaker 1: I know that's what you experience on the subway. That

2495
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's a great answer.

2496
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:22,000
Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, Ken's back from Amsterdam or sound guy?

2497
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:24,960
Speaker 1: Ken? Are you still high?

2498
01:48:25,160 --> 01:48:25,920
Speaker 8: He says, yes, yes.

2499
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:28,400
Speaker 2: Do you think he entertained women of the Night or

2500
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:29,439
Speaker 2: did we just break a French shoddy.

2501
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm telling you go to the I'm telling you go

2502
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:32,800
Speaker 1: to the red light district. There's little red lights on

2503
01:48:32,840 --> 01:48:36,559
Speaker 1: the street, and the and the and the oers who

2504
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:39,280
Speaker 1: stand in the window make eye contact with you and

2505
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 1: they watch you and then wave and shit. It's like,

2506
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:44,080
Speaker 1: Ken of my Lion, did you go to red light district.

2507
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:47,519
Speaker 1: He said, yeah, yeah, do they make eye contact with

2508
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:48,960
Speaker 1: you and then if they look at you and ship

2509
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:51,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, it's a little it's a little disarming.

2510
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they want you to pay the dude.

2511
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:54,760
Speaker 1: I've had two friends.

2512
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:56,440
Speaker 2: I guess they were both Marines.

2513
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:59,559
Speaker 1: One was Army, one was not. I've had two friends

2514
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:04,160
Speaker 1: who found a site that where porn stars do like, uh,

2515
01:49:04,479 --> 01:49:07,240
Speaker 1: prostitution on the side, and you can go and bang

2516
01:49:07,320 --> 01:49:09,120
Speaker 1: some of your favorite porn stars. This is a real

2517
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:11,040
Speaker 1: two of them did it. Two of them did it

2518
01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:14,280
Speaker 1: and onere the ones that they did it on, the

2519
01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:15,880
Speaker 1: one that was in the army, like the porn star

2520
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:19,559
Speaker 1: that he banged. I'll just put it this quite mildly.

2521
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:21,760
Speaker 1: Not my type. Not my type at all. I'll tell

2522
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 1: you who it is in European.

2523
01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:26,680
Speaker 2: Not your type at all. Let's transition from this awkwardness

2524
01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:29,200
Speaker 2: to even more awkwardness where I scoured the globe sundays

2525
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:32,160
Speaker 2: where the highs lows good between from the combat sports

2526
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 2: world and beyond. It's called have you seen the ship? Hey,

2527
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:45,840
Speaker 2: it was Dubois versus Joshua and London. Did you watch

2528
01:49:45,880 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 2: Here's your pick of the week from Richard Pelham of

2529
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 2: Getty images.

2530
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:56,400
Speaker 1: Damned. That's how bcle likes his prom dates faced out.

2531
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:01,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, a good roofie joke to ca it off roofies.

2532
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 2: I just said, that's a great shot, dude. That's the

2533
01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:05,599
Speaker 2: reality of what happened right there. Holy shit, I know, dude,

2534
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:06,360
Speaker 2: it's dude.

2535
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 1: This is a brutal fuck that lost.

2536
01:50:08,160 --> 01:50:09,439
Speaker 2: So much better than I thought he would. I thought

2537
01:50:09,439 --> 01:50:10,960
Speaker 2: he'd be done and never hear from him again.

2538
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 1: I love how the story you took was like he

2539
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:17,400
Speaker 1: lost with great, with a grace, and I'm like, yeah,

2540
01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:18,800
Speaker 1: but he lost real bad.

2541
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:22,240
Speaker 2: He did, Luke, as you would always say, nightmore nightmare,

2542
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:25,160
Speaker 2: blunt rotation. This time it's Saudi style. What do you

2543
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:27,120
Speaker 2: got to here, Luke? Look at this power shot?

2544
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:30,320
Speaker 1: Well, Terrence Crawford, I like a lot and it's cool.

2545
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:32,559
Speaker 2: But what about the director, Guy Richie.

2546
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:33,840
Speaker 1: That's him. That's Guy Richie.

2547
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:34,720
Speaker 2: Yes, yes it is.

2548
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:37,040
Speaker 1: He's been needing some some English gravy.

2549
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:38,760
Speaker 2: What do you think about old Connor showing up with

2550
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:39,360
Speaker 2: the cigar?

2551
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:44,479
Speaker 1: He seems annoying, does he not? He seems like, you

2552
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:47,160
Speaker 1: know what, he seems like a close talker, ye what?

2553
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:47,960
Speaker 1: He seems like the.

2554
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:51,120
Speaker 2: Transition we got Connor losing his she at during this

2555
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:51,880
Speaker 2: AJ finish.

2556
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:55,559
Speaker 1: Okay, in fairness, so was I. Now that's the end

2557
01:50:55,560 --> 01:50:58,320
Speaker 1: of the first. That's the end of the first. In fairness,

2558
01:50:58,360 --> 01:51:00,559
Speaker 1: I was also like, holy shit, like cons a fight fan.

2559
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:02,240
Speaker 1: He's annoying, but he's a fight fan.

2560
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:04,639
Speaker 2: I like Connor still even though he dude. I asked

2561
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:09,720
Speaker 2: everybody in Ireland just to confirm the whole idea that

2562
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,479
Speaker 2: like Ireland hates Connor. Every single persons like f that

2563
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:14,880
Speaker 2: po s are you serious? I'm not even joking. Every

2564
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:17,160
Speaker 2: single person was like you still love him now since

2565
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:20,920
Speaker 2: the rape allegations, you know, no way like it was.

2566
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:24,280
Speaker 2: It was wild, but that's how it goes. Lukes got

2567
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:27,080
Speaker 2: to meet Connor, uh shortly after that picture was taken.

2568
01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:27,760
Speaker 2: Let's listen in.

2569
01:51:29,479 --> 01:51:32,640
Speaker 10: See you got your ham.

2570
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:42,200
Speaker 1: I he's great Connor, Yes, yes, yes, yes, crazy man

2571
01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:55,720
Speaker 1: is the fucking man I love.

2572
01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:59,040
Speaker 2: And then Fury came up to Usk after the finish

2573
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:01,639
Speaker 2: and gave him his hours, even though they'll be rematching soon.

2574
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:20,240
Speaker 2: The Internet would add that he also taught Fury a

2575
01:52:20,280 --> 01:52:20,880
Speaker 2: proper boxing.

2576
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question about the Brits. What

2577
01:52:23,160 --> 01:52:26,640
Speaker 1: is worse about them? The history of colonialism and oppression

2578
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:30,000
Speaker 1: and imperialism and their teeth or their teeth or more importantly,

2579
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:31,760
Speaker 1: singing Sweet Caroline.

2580
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 2: Hey, they played that before Calum Walsh's walk.

2581
01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:37,759
Speaker 1: I don't understand what's wrong. It's the it's the colonial

2582
01:52:37,800 --> 01:52:41,960
Speaker 1: imperialism of songs. Please stop fucking doing that, please, for

2583
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:43,040
Speaker 1: the love of God.

2584
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:45,519
Speaker 2: That and face the pain is going to linger and

2585
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:46,479
Speaker 2: taunt you.

2586
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:49,800
Speaker 1: And how do people end up choosing as anthems the

2587
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:52,160
Speaker 1: obviously worst fucking songs that have.

2588
01:52:52,280 --> 01:52:54,280
Speaker 2: It would be a lot easier to have this debate

2589
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:55,800
Speaker 2: with you if your favorite band wasn't.

2590
01:52:55,960 --> 01:53:00,439
Speaker 1: I don't think those songs should be anthems. How is

2591
01:53:00,479 --> 01:53:01,440
Speaker 1: this hard to understand?

2592
01:53:02,720 --> 01:53:04,840
Speaker 2: This brought up a quick throwback video. I don't re

2593
01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:08,960
Speaker 2: remember this. Apparently after Usak knocked out Dubois, he had

2594
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:10,680
Speaker 2: this moment with him. Watch this.

2595
01:53:11,439 --> 01:53:22,759
Speaker 6: Fuck it, you can't you can't three.

2596
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:29,240
Speaker 3: It's not.

2597
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:32,040
Speaker 1: Dude.

2598
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:34,400
Speaker 2: I got chills the first time I just saw that yesterday.

2599
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:35,360
Speaker 3: That was awesome.

2600
01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:36,760
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool, pretty cool.

2601
01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:39,720
Speaker 2: Who's he doesn't fail? Like he tends to be cool

2602
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:39,960
Speaker 2: at all.

2603
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 1: Turns he seems to have a cheat code for life.

2604
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:44,400
Speaker 2: All right, Well, look, we're gonna need a bigger boat

2605
01:53:44,439 --> 01:53:46,200
Speaker 2: for these next few clips. Do you like when you

2606
01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:49,160
Speaker 2: get some big old things from the sea attack? Fucking

2607
01:53:49,240 --> 01:53:52,519
Speaker 2: shit sham mood just took out that fishing boat.

2608
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:55,559
Speaker 1: Have you seen all of these orca that are like, uh,

2609
01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:58,800
Speaker 1: capsizing ships off the coast of Spain? I have not

2610
01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:01,960
Speaker 1: seen that, dude, and the pods are teaching other pods

2611
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:04,759
Speaker 1: how to take out fucking ships.

2612
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:06,080
Speaker 2: Too much for your cost of living?

2613
01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:07,680
Speaker 1: Argument? Well, I mean if you got a boat, it's

2614
01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:08,479
Speaker 1: a little different, all right.

2615
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:09,360
Speaker 2: Watch this dolphin.

2616
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:16,240
Speaker 1: That's not a dolphin. That's a fucking holy ship though,

2617
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:19,840
Speaker 1: good lord. But a lot of freaking out on that boat.

2618
01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:20,360
Speaker 1: Good lord?

2619
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:23,760
Speaker 2: Uh, sorry I misplaced it. Here's the dolphin. I was

2620
01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:28,200
Speaker 2: fucking watch this body. Check he's Bryan Campbell.

2621
01:54:28,720 --> 01:54:32,200
Speaker 1: Take that bitch, Yeah, good lord, it's a dick op

2622
01:54:32,240 --> 01:54:32,920
Speaker 1: to your hiccup.

2623
01:54:33,480 --> 01:54:34,839
Speaker 2: Look, do you ever bowl anymore?

2624
01:54:35,080 --> 01:54:38,080
Speaker 1: Took my I took two ky bowling. It's expensive these days, really,

2625
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:40,480
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty bucks for me, the wife and

2626
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:41,680
Speaker 1: the kid to go bowling.

2627
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:43,280
Speaker 2: Now one hundred feet Okay, this must be the DC

2628
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:44,200
Speaker 2: eighty dollar haircut thing.

2629
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:46,720
Speaker 1: I don't even say which place I went to bowl arrow.

2630
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:49,440
Speaker 2: Let me guess the customer service was just, you know, just.

2631
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:50,640
Speaker 1: A fuck about you.

2632
01:54:50,840 --> 01:54:53,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, why do you pay so much for basic things?

2633
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:55,800
Speaker 2: One hundred bucks for a haircut? Who goes one hundred

2634
01:54:55,800 --> 01:54:56,760
Speaker 2: and fifty for bullying?

2635
01:54:56,840 --> 01:54:58,560
Speaker 1: Dude? I didn't even drink any beer, Like, what do

2636
01:54:58,600 --> 01:54:59,680
Speaker 1: you want me to fucking say? I don't.

2637
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:05,560
Speaker 2: They should got to reach around for one fifty. Come on,

2638
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:15,400
Speaker 2: let's check out this bowling prank dropped it on his foot.

2639
01:55:15,240 --> 01:55:19,720
Speaker 1: As my wife says, oh yeah, castigo divino mother effort.

2640
01:55:19,720 --> 01:55:20,560
Speaker 2: What does that mean? Luke?

2641
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:23,640
Speaker 1: Essentially like you got what you deserve. That's not how

2642
01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:25,120
Speaker 1: it translates, but that's what Luke gets.

2643
01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:26,800
Speaker 2: Rare that I bring back clips to put them in

2644
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:28,400
Speaker 2: the have you seen the Ship Hall of Fame? But

2645
01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:30,440
Speaker 2: everyone keeps sending this to me as if we didn't

2646
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:31,720
Speaker 2: play it on the show. They do that all the time,

2647
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:33,680
Speaker 2: the hardcorese fans like you got to put this on

2648
01:55:33,680 --> 01:55:35,280
Speaker 2: the show. I'm like, it was on two weeks ago,

2649
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:37,840
Speaker 2: do not watch. But this one from Goggins is great.

2650
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:40,280
Speaker 4: I like to get a bunch of men together, Okay,

2651
01:55:40,840 --> 01:55:44,920
Speaker 4: men that are the hardest of the heart, and I

2652
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:46,240
Speaker 4: want to be with these men.

2653
01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:54,360
Speaker 1: Did ears listen each his own.

2654
01:55:54,760 --> 01:55:56,120
Speaker 2: All right, Look, we haven't done this in a while.

2655
01:55:56,160 --> 01:55:59,919
Speaker 2: Would you eat would you eat this? Mac and chicken fries.

2656
01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:08,080
Speaker 1: Crickle fries, nacho cheese, mac and cheese, fried chicken with

2657
01:56:08,200 --> 01:56:12,720
Speaker 1: like more like aoli. I'd give it a couple, I'd

2658
01:56:12,720 --> 01:56:13,480
Speaker 1: give it a couple of bites.

2659
01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:16,200
Speaker 2: I'd go after it. I mean, that's like a that's

2660
01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:17,600
Speaker 2: like a big Z at the frat house. You're not

2661
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:18,960
Speaker 2: gonna tell a lot of people that you did.

2662
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:21,280
Speaker 1: It, but you're gonna yeah, Yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah.

2663
01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:24,480
Speaker 2: Maybe elsewhere in boxing, this wing Himimongilla back for the

2664
01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:25,720
Speaker 2: first time since losing to Canalo.

2665
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:27,080
Speaker 1: By the way, if that was British, they would have

2666
01:56:27,120 --> 01:56:28,800
Speaker 1: put banana peels and cigarette butts in it.

2667
01:56:28,840 --> 01:56:31,960
Speaker 2: Probably he would end up getting the finish here against

2668
01:56:32,040 --> 01:56:34,680
Speaker 2: Eric Bazigian in his first fight with top rank.

2669
01:56:34,840 --> 01:56:37,000
Speaker 1: So actually I watched the first five rounds of this

2670
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:41,800
Speaker 1: fight live and Mungia was losing this fight. But superior firepower.

2671
01:56:41,320 --> 01:56:43,760
Speaker 2: Yes brought it. Had a good finish right there, Luke,

2672
01:56:43,800 --> 01:56:45,600
Speaker 2: we got a moment on the ESPN undercard that you

2673
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:48,880
Speaker 2: don't see too often. The trainer interview mid round watch

2674
01:56:48,920 --> 01:56:56,720
Speaker 2: what I hate the ooh he walked into it, all right,

2675
01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:01,520
Speaker 2: So that was her fighter coach being interviewed.

2676
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:04,800
Speaker 1: Dude, I hate the fucking middle of the fight. Leave

2677
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:08,600
Speaker 1: the cornerman and the trainers the fuck alone.

2678
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:11,160
Speaker 2: I think it's good after like a fighter gets that

2679
01:57:11,320 --> 01:57:13,360
Speaker 2: was supposed to win and suddenly in trouble gets knocked down,

2680
01:57:13,400 --> 01:57:14,800
Speaker 2: you go to the corner afterwards or something like that.

2681
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:16,160
Speaker 2: You know, I think there's some value in that.

2682
01:57:16,280 --> 01:57:19,160
Speaker 1: But dude, I would say this, of all the interviews

2683
01:57:19,160 --> 01:57:20,880
Speaker 1: you can get during the course of a fight, these

2684
01:57:20,920 --> 01:57:25,200
Speaker 1: ones have the greatest capacity for like disaster. All right.

2685
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 2: There's a fun south paul heavyweight from Ireland who was

2686
01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:31,240
Speaker 2: on this calmsh Undercar card named Thomas Cardy. His catchphrases

2687
01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:35,960
Speaker 2: no Cardi, no party, and all right. Joshua and Fury

2688
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:38,680
Speaker 2: brought him into mimic usik. He's a big south, quick

2689
01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:41,280
Speaker 2: south paw. Listen to the sound of this body shot

2690
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:41,720
Speaker 2: he landed.

2691
01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:43,240
Speaker 1: He's doing the right.

2692
01:57:43,120 --> 01:57:48,720
Speaker 3: Thing, He's closing the distance they were yelling at.

2693
01:57:45,880 --> 01:57:51,520
Speaker 2: A crazy thing was that didn't finish him. He would

2694
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:53,280
Speaker 2: go on to knock that same dude down again with

2695
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:55,120
Speaker 2: a body shot and then finish him off with the left.

2696
01:57:55,160 --> 01:57:56,920
Speaker 1: Shots to the guy for getting up, but that that

2697
01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:58,440
Speaker 1: big Irish boy is not to be fun.

2698
01:57:59,080 --> 01:58:01,120
Speaker 2: T shirt of the week you're gonna identify with this.

2699
01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:09,000
Speaker 1: Thank God for Latina women. I love Latina. That might

2700
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:10,400
Speaker 1: have a bit of an issue, Luke.

2701
01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:13,560
Speaker 2: Nothing quite goes together like golf and flatulence. Would you agree?

2702
01:58:14,160 --> 01:58:15,000
Speaker 1: I don't play golf.

2703
01:58:15,800 --> 01:58:20,320
Speaker 2: Oh it's a nice bar right there, nice spot, thank you,

2704
01:58:21,960 --> 01:58:23,760
Speaker 2: tap it in tap tap tap room.

2705
01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:25,760
Speaker 1: This is this is the worst show, it really is.

2706
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:33,200
Speaker 2: Let's keep it going on this theme. O got that

2707
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:36,400
Speaker 2: gimbo slice off the tea right there. Wow, that is great.

2708
01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:37,520
Speaker 2: That is great.

2709
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:40,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know farting and golf had such a relationship,

2710
01:58:40,040 --> 01:58:41,720
Speaker 1: And now I appreciate the sport more.

2711
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:43,680
Speaker 2: I know you've heard of two girls, one cup because

2712
01:58:43,680 --> 01:58:45,440
Speaker 2: you tried to trap me in that debacle.

2713
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:48,880
Speaker 1: That still won't watch it. He's a fucking You're just

2714
01:58:48,920 --> 01:58:49,720
Speaker 1: a fucking puss.

2715
01:58:49,800 --> 01:58:51,760
Speaker 2: Have you seen two ladies one staircase?

2716
01:58:52,400 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 1: God, old bitch. Oh yo, lord dude, I could see

2717
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:03,440
Speaker 1: how the first one just kind of trips it like,

2718
01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:04,640
Speaker 1: but then the second one.

2719
01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:09,120
Speaker 2: Ah damn, Oh, let's watch this scientific experiment.

2720
01:59:09,440 --> 01:59:12,480
Speaker 11: Nettles aren't the only thing that expand when heated. In fact,

2721
01:59:12,760 --> 01:59:21,400
Speaker 11: heat causes almost everything to expand.

2722
01:59:25,880 --> 01:59:27,800
Speaker 1: You're trying to heat up his cock to get it wider.

2723
01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:28,680
Speaker 1: That's the whole I think.

2724
01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:33,400
Speaker 2: So, Luke, all right, let's keep that. Let's keep it going.

2725
01:59:34,280 --> 01:59:34,920
Speaker 1: Hit the post.

2726
01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:38,800
Speaker 8: Oh that the would work, and just hit the pentagon.

2727
01:59:38,840 --> 01:59:39,760
Speaker 1: I'm being serious.

2728
01:59:39,800 --> 01:59:44,000
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it, Lukes, time to rate that, dad?

2729
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:49,120
Speaker 1: Are you shitting me?

2730
01:59:49,320 --> 01:59:52,240
Speaker 2: Oh boy, somebody's got that on their skin. That's something.

2731
01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:55,160
Speaker 1: They've got nine to eleven skits and bits on their skin, Luke.

2732
01:59:55,160 --> 01:59:56,880
Speaker 2: A lot of people think the nine to eleven content

2733
01:59:56,920 --> 01:59:57,800
Speaker 2: on this show, those.

2734
01:59:57,840 --> 01:59:59,840
Speaker 1: Crazy fun people have no fucking idea. That's one of

2735
01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:01,000
Speaker 1: the easiest days of my life.

2736
02:00:01,120 --> 02:00:03,160
Speaker 2: Yes, they think it's too morbid for the show, and

2737
02:00:03,160 --> 02:00:06,200
Speaker 2: they're probably right. So why don't we honor the dead instead?

2738
02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:06,480
Speaker 6: Right?

2739
02:00:08,680 --> 02:00:09,000
Speaker 4: M hm?

2740
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:15,200
Speaker 2: Take that, Grandpa?

2741
02:00:15,720 --> 02:00:19,080
Speaker 1: I think I said this one. Yeah, this awesome.

2742
02:00:19,160 --> 02:00:21,520
Speaker 2: They didn't stop honoring the dead with skateboarding. Let's go

2743
02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:28,800
Speaker 2: to the soccer pitch, can we what should we recreate

2744
02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:29,440
Speaker 2: at your funeral?

2745
02:00:29,560 --> 02:00:29,760
Speaker 1: Luke?

2746
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:32,560
Speaker 2: Put the headphones around there.

2747
02:00:32,680 --> 02:00:35,320
Speaker 1: Just like kicking the ball around outside of an open casket.

2748
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:37,080
Speaker 2: They're gonna pass it to him one more time.

2749
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:39,920
Speaker 1: He scores.

2750
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that an honor?

2751
02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:41,640
Speaker 1: Or?

2752
02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:42,440
Speaker 2: Is that embarrassing?

2753
02:00:42,720 --> 02:00:45,840
Speaker 1: That is uh? That's those are poor people.

2754
02:00:46,040 --> 02:00:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's let's keep the show going' almost.

2755
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:51,200
Speaker 1: Done scaring my little brother with this consetti cannon.

2756
02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:51,640
Speaker 8: Let's go.

2757
02:01:00,040 --> 02:01:02,480
Speaker 1: That's a good one. Listen, that is fucking great.

2758
02:01:02,680 --> 02:01:03,600
Speaker 2: Let's see this one too.

2759
02:01:03,720 --> 02:01:05,800
Speaker 1: Hey, seriously, if you just tell me whose this is,

2760
02:01:05,840 --> 02:01:08,800
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be it's a lot of mine.

2761
02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:11,760
Speaker 1: I can't see what it is.

2762
02:01:12,440 --> 02:01:19,440
Speaker 2: It's a hair tie. Sorry, let's keep it going here,

2763
02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:24,600
Speaker 2: all right, we're almost done. Yeah, yep, yeah, all right, fella.

2764
02:01:24,680 --> 02:01:25,880
Speaker 2: You may have had one too many.

2765
02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:30,120
Speaker 1: Wow, that's BC in Ireland.

2766
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:31,800
Speaker 2: Look, you know what they used to say about me

2767
02:01:31,880 --> 02:01:33,840
Speaker 2: in my prime, that I had a snake in my pants?

2768
02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:41,920
Speaker 1: Okay, what the ever living fuck is that?

2769
02:01:42,920 --> 02:01:45,840
Speaker 2: Still going? Look look at Safreddi.

2770
02:01:45,480 --> 02:01:48,400
Speaker 1: Over there, and where is this I hope to never go.

2771
02:01:49,200 --> 02:01:56,760
Speaker 2: It's definitely Colombia. No, still going, guy's got a python, dude,

2772
02:01:56,800 --> 02:01:59,680
Speaker 2: This is this is disturbing. That's the ship of the week.

2773
02:01:59,720 --> 02:02:00,360
Speaker 1: I hope you saw.

2774
02:02:00,360 --> 02:02:01,240
Speaker 2: I got to pee my pants.

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Speaker 1: Really, there's not nearly enough elder abuse in this.

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Speaker 2: I'll have to go back to the well and dig

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Speaker 2: it up.

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Speaker 1: You know, let's remind everyone BC our big announcement today

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Speaker 1: back two times a week. Now we're saying October. That's

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Speaker 1: not saying October first.

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Speaker 2: I'm pushing for October.

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Speaker 1: We're pushing for the very first. But we have to

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Speaker 1: be a little bit careful about that because there are

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Speaker 1: a little bit logistics, some teas and eyes that have

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Speaker 1: to get crossed and dotted. So it will be certainly

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Speaker 1: in the month of October. But the specific date TBD DVD.

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Speaker 2: We are coming back twice a week Monday here in

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Speaker 2: the porn jerk off. There we go Monday in the

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Speaker 2: studio here at Metal Lark in Manhattan as always Fridays

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Speaker 2: from home, like back in the day, trying to get

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Speaker 2: back in your life. Thank you for your patients along.

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Speaker 2: I don't look you had anything to plug besides your butt.

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Speaker 8: Yeah no, not that main card.

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Speaker 1: Minute.

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Speaker 8: Everyone go check it out new bet breakdown coming out

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Speaker 8: in about an hour.

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Speaker 2: There it is, thanks to you, good people. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: the Luke Thomas channel has plenty of great content this week.

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Speaker 1: Just check out my breakdown on Dubois and Joshua thought.

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Speaker 2: Really well, there it is whoomp, there it is. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for tuning in. Like and subscribe. Go

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Speaker 2: to Morning Coombat dot store for more merch options. There

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Speaker 2: are our social handles. Thank you to Ken, our sound guy,

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Speaker 2: for coming back. That's look washed.

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Speaker 1: You looked drained, Bro.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to There was no weights in the weight

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Speaker 2: room in Dublin at the hotel, just calisthenics.

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Speaker 1: Bro, you have to prison that ship.

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Speaker 2: I want to you know, I got a little, got

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Speaker 2: a little. I want to get after it.

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Speaker 1: I want to get after all. Good news is I

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Speaker 1: have diarrhea.

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Speaker 2: So all right for Luke's flatulence, my name is b C.

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Speaker 2: Keep your head up, guys, Okay, good things are about

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Speaker 2: to happen to all of us.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: Believe, just believe. I gotta pee my pants.

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Speaker 1: See believe, achieve. I gotta go sneeze. We're out