1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 2: It's the final hour on this Thursday. We'll talk to 4 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 2: the former Cowboy head coach, Jason Garrett, more of your 5 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 2: phone calls as well. Have a new poll question. We 6 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 2: had an update on Justin Fields. The report initially was 7 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 2: that he was carted off lower leg injury at Jets 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: training camp. We have found out since that Aaron Glenn, 9 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: the new head coach of the Jets, said that somebody 10 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: apparently stepped on Justin Field's toe and that it is 11 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: not severe except for Justin Fields who had somebody step 12 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: on his toe. But we don't know if there's any 13 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: other damage to it. But considering he was carted off, 14 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: this is good news that. Okay, somebody stepped on your toe, 15 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: all right, Good, get out there and play. Let's go. 16 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini America, 17 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: the official trading cards of The Dan Patrick Show. I 18 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: saw this now, this has been going on for a 19 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: while in ESPN is close. They're on the doorstep from 20 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: what I'm told to acquiring NFL Network and Red Zone. 21 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: Now I also just saw this as well. It looks 22 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: like the NFL is going to get a piece of ESPN. Okay, 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: I don't know all the details here. I haven't really 24 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: been covering it. I just heard I've been told by people. 25 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 2: But so now this is tricky though, because can ESPN 26 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: truly report on the NFL if the NFL has a 27 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 2: piece of ESPN? I don't know if it's a big deal. 28 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a big deal to you. 29 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: Journalism probably not running rampant at the Mothership anymore. But 30 00:01:55,360 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: ESPN has had to walk the fine line between the 31 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: journalistic interest and their business interest. So this is, you know, 32 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: a billion dollar relationship with the NFL. So this has 33 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: been going on for quite some time. It was on again, 34 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: it was off again, on again, off again. Now it 35 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: appears as it's on again. Yeah, they're gonna I mean, 36 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: can can the Mothership be any more NFL focused than 37 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: they already are? Well we're gonna find out, yeah, Paul. Yeah. 38 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 3: If you look at it, though, all these major networks, 39 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 3: and some that we've worked for, almost all of them 40 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 3: have some type of rights holder partnership with a league, 41 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: the NBA, MLB, NFL, and that can be tough. You 42 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: and I, all of us are here dealt with that 43 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 3: at different place we worked for. When there's a harsh 44 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 3: story about a league, some executive will send over an email, Hey, 45 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: why are we covering this? Are we covering this properly? 46 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: Management will oftentimes tell content people to step off the 47 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 3: gas a little bit on a negative story about. 48 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 4: A rights holder. 49 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 5: Yeah. 50 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 2: I had a situation when the show Playmakers was on 51 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: the mother Ship and we were we were specifically told 52 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 2: to back away from talking about that the NFL had 53 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: gotten in somebody's ear, and then that was relayed to 54 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 2: us on ESPN radio. 55 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 6: Guess well, We've had it happen a bunch of times here. Well, 56 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 6: where you will report on a story and then after 57 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 6: the show you'll get a phone call from a commissioner 58 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 6: or a very high ranking official and say, hey, what 59 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 6: where'd you get that information from? That's pretty interesting? And 60 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 6: you know those are your independent of all of that stuff, 61 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 6: but they still will Hey, so what happened there? How 62 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 6: did you get that information? That's pretty interesting? Could you 63 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 6: imagine if that person owned twenty percent of the show, 64 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 6: Oh and was like, hmmm, I really appreciate that what 65 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 6: you just did there. It's a totally different situation. 66 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, tough to do. Your job. If you know, Big 67 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: Brother is looming always there. You know, even two people 68 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 2: I know who no longer work at NFL Network they 69 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: did talk about there were certain things that you could 70 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: not bring up. They couldn't bring up gambling on NFL network. 71 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: That's gone, or at least it will be gone with 72 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: the mothership. You know how important gambling is to them. 73 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, PAULI going back to Playmakers, that was a show, 74 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 3: an original show by ESPN that was very racy and 75 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: it's all about an NFL team with lots of issues 76 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 3: and drugs and women and lots of negative stuff. And 77 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 3: ESPN canceled that show, and we were on the air 78 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: the next day and you discussed the odd thing about 79 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: the NFL wagging the dog and causing a network to 80 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 3: cancel the show, and we actually had on one of 81 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: the bosses of ESPN. He walked downstairs and did an 82 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 3: interview with and it was a quite awkward day because 83 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 3: our boss said, we're not in the business of alienating 84 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: our rights holders, and it was an awkward day on 85 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: campus in Bristol. 86 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: But we were making the argument at least trying to 87 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: Playmakers was accurate. If anything, it kind of undersold some 88 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 2: of the things that go on off the field in 89 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: the NFL. But yeah, when we heard from management, and 90 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: I didn't hear from management very often at ESPN. There 91 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: were times specific topics, but for the most part, they 92 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,119 Speaker 2: gave us the journalistic freedom to do what we thought 93 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: was best. And sometimes you would be called on the carpet. 94 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 2: But I understand the partnership here because ESPN was losing subscriptions, 95 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: you know, the cord cutting. But I think according to 96 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: an article and awful announcing ESPN was the valuation of 97 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: ESPN in twenty twenty three was like twenty twenty three 98 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: or twenty four billion dollars And I'm thinking, dang, I 99 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: should have asked for more money there. Let me see, 100 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: so it looks like the ten percent stake would be 101 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: worth between two and two and a half billion dollars. Wow, 102 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: uh yeah, this it says the company was listed as 103 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: having an evaluation of twenty four billion dollars. The last 104 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: ten years haven't been kind to ESPN as far as 105 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: you know. People once again cord cutting. But this is 106 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: a big deal and a big deal for the future 107 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: of ESPN. But NFL network red Zone going to the 108 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: mothership or at least the Mothership's going to own them. Yes, Poe. 109 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 3: Just to put a bow on the Playmakers thing. Many 110 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 3: years ago, we actually had Dion sanders On to review 111 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: Playmakers the show for us, and I can remember Dion's 112 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 3: line was, Dan, I played with Michael Irvin and the Cowboys. 113 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 3: Playmaker's got nothing on Michael Irvin. 114 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 4: That's great. 115 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: They could have just made it, you know, the Cowboys 116 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 2: just base it off, you know, you could have kind 117 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: of fictional character. Maybe they did just fictional characters, but 118 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: it was based on true stories. Deon tells the story 119 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: where he went to a hotel, Michael Irvin was there 120 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: and Mike was partying, and Mike was not alone, and 121 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: Dion walks in and he saw what was going on 122 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: and Dean, I don't live like this, and turned around 123 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: and left right after that. Playmaker Yes he was, Yes, 124 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: he was, Yes, Marvin. 125 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 4: And they still want three super Bowls? 126 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, you're right. Didn't they have the White House 127 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: that they would party yet? I think it was called 128 00:07:54,840 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: the White House? I'm sure it was. Yeah. Them Cowboys, well, 129 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: I miss those. 130 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: I missed that Cowboys franchise because they were always deep 131 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: into the playoffs and doing wild things and getting lots 132 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 3: of coverage, but they were deep in the playoffs when 133 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: doing it. 134 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: Tyrese Haliburton was on the Pat McAfee show and he 135 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: of course tour his achilles and he talked about the 136 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: number of players who are suffering Achilles tears. 137 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 7: I think that there's like a notion when guys get injured, 138 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 7: or when this has happened so many times, that everybody 139 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 7: thinks that they have the answer as to why this 140 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 7: has happened. Everybody thinks we play too many games, played 141 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 7: too many minutes. All those things could be true, but 142 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 7: I don't think that that is what is causing these injuries. 143 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 7: Last season, if I'm not mistaken, I don't think there 144 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 7: was a single achilles tear last season, and it was 145 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 7: the same amount of minutes, same amount of games, right, 146 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 7: Guys didn't suddenly get larger in the course of a year. 147 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 7: So I don't think that anybody has necessarily the answer. 148 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 7: I think injuries are just bad luck sometimes and that's 149 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 7: just what happened. 150 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 2: Can we check and see if there were any achilles 151 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: tears in the previous year. I mean, you did have 152 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: a couple of players in the last couple of years 153 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 2: who have suffered Achilles tears, and these are marquee players. 154 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: One other basketball note, I guess Bleacher Report had a 155 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 2: ranking top one hundred NBA players of all time, and 156 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 2: Kobe wasn't in the top ten. Marvin, do you have that? 157 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 2: Do you have that list? Oh? Is this d Wade 158 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: talking about Kobe? Okay, d Wade. There are a lot 159 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 2: of guys who are upset about the rankings. But this 160 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: is what Bleacher Report wants. Because if Dwayne Wade's not 161 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: upset about Kobe's ranking, we're probably not talking about the rankings. 162 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 2: Here's Dwayne Wade. 163 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 8: If you want to ask us hoopers who played against 164 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 8: Cole were talking all of us don't talk top three 165 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 8: facts like you all will talk talk three. 166 00:09:58,520 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 9: Have you played against it? 167 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: Have you played it? His mama? 168 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 8: But from someone's opinion that's never played against Kobe has 169 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 8: never played a game of basketball at the level that 170 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 8: we played at. 171 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 9: Having him at eleven? Why am I? Why am I 172 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 9: up in arms about something like that? 173 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 8: I remember when Kobe was alive, they had rankers when 174 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 8: he played in the league, and they had him low. 175 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: I remember one year and Kobe addressed it, like. 176 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 8: Who is these idiots like why would I listen to 177 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 8: these idiots? And I'm not calling a person who did 178 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 8: as an idiot, but what I'm saying is when someone 179 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 8: does something like that, Kobe was like, this is idiotic 180 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 8: to me. 181 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's calling somebody an idiot. But Kobe 182 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: Bryant should be in the top three. I I don't 183 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 2: think I've seen a list where Kobe. It's Mike Lebron 184 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: and Kobe should he be on the outside of the 185 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 2: top ten. That feels a little harsh there. Charles Berkley 186 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: is twenty fourth, twenty fifth, Jannis is twenty fourth on 187 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: that list. I don't know if they're any Have you 188 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: seen the list, Marvin. 189 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 4: I have, yes, Okay, it's uh, Mike Lebron, Kareem Kareem Hey, 190 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 4: Bill Russell, Magic Shack Duncan, Bird Will steph oh Okay, yeah. 191 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 3: I think the debate here is more semantics when someone 192 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 3: like Dwayne Wade is talking. When we put these lists together, 193 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 3: media people, we're almost judging it by resume. That's why 194 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 3: Bill Russell is on there or Tim Duncan, because it's 195 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 3: a resume. I think a guy like Dwayne Wade is saying, 196 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 3: who's the best Hooper, I've ever seen or faced best 197 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 3: at the game of basketball, which raises some people up. 198 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 2: Well. He talks about the stylistic, inspiration, the work ethic, 199 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: all of those different things. I agree with you. We 200 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: usually rank these players because we look at championships. We 201 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: start there. That's your resume. That's why Bill Russell's in there. 202 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: If you took away Bill Russell, he would be a 203 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 2: really good If he took away the championships and you 204 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 2: were going to rank him, Bill Russell might be. He 205 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 2: wouldn't be in the top twenty, I don't think because 206 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 2: his numbers weren't great, but he was the ultimate team player. 207 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 2: Now he always had rebounds in block shots, but artistically 208 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: not a not an offensive player. 209 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 4: Yes, Mark, and I think Dwayne Wade is speaking for 210 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 4: players around the league. And if you listen to some 211 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 4: of these player only podcasts, the way they speak about 212 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 4: Kobe Bryant, it's like the level of disrespect I think 213 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 4: the media has for Kobe as far as an all 214 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 4: time great. It's like, wait, wait, if you played against him, 215 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 4: he was the guy that you feared, or he was 216 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 4: the best player, most skilled. But I think. 217 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: Okay, but if you don't have Michael Jordan, then I 218 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 2: would understand where you put Kobe. But we saw Michael. 219 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: Kobe tried to be Michael. Therefore you're going to compare 220 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: him to Michael. And yes, maybe he's slighted, maybe he 221 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 2: doesn't get the respect that he should. Kareem to me 222 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 2: is the greatest basketball player of all time. If I 223 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: look at high school, college in the pros and I 224 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 2: think he's underrated. He dominated, but nobody likes the big guy, 225 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: you know, and Jordan did it at the right time 226 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: and he won titles, didn't even get to a game seven. 227 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: You know, no matter what Lebron does, it's never going 228 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: to be good enough. I think Magic's underrated too. You know, 229 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 2: he won five titles. So you know, do we give 230 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 2: Tim Duncan too much credit because he won five titles? Yeah? 231 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 2: Probably so, But he still won the titles. If if 232 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 2: that's the bottom line of okay, where are you gonna 233 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 2: rank it? When he did win five titles? There, I mean, 234 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: that's the only reason why Bill Russell was on the list, 235 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: because he won eleven titles. 236 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 3: Yes, Pauline, and I think it works the same way 237 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: with quarterbacks. We judge resumes with quarterbacks clearly. But if 238 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 3: you said, who's the best ever at playing the position 239 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 3: of quarterback, I'm throwing Dan Marino's name in early in 240 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 3: that conversation at the he mastered it, and he mastered 241 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 3: it way earlier than a lot. 242 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 4: Of guys did. 243 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 3: His resume doesn't help his case, his playing ability sure does. 244 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 4: Well. 245 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 2: That's why we include Aaron Rodgers as maybe the greatest 246 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 2: talent to play the position because he's got one super Bowl, 247 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: And you think he should be higher on the list 248 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: because he's got four MVPs. Well, is it about championships? 249 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: Is it about MVPs? Like you know, sometimes we move 250 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 2: the goal line with this when we go, ah, man, 251 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: he's the most talented guy throwing a football. What does 252 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: that mean? So the most talented guy to play the 253 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: position won one Super Bowl? That's the negative, isn't it? 254 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 4: Yes, Mart, So if Michael Jordan didn't exist, we would 255 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 4: have Kobe much higher than he is. Is that what 256 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 4: you're saying? 257 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, but I mean he's compared to Mike, which 258 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: isn't a fair comparison. But Kobe wanted that comparison. He 259 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: was trying to be like Mike and he came pretty close. Yes, Mark. 260 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 4: That's a pretty good person trying to model yourself after though, 261 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 4: Well if you were like, oh, he's trying to be 262 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 4: Mike duh, yes, Seaton. 263 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 6: But it is weird though that we as the media 264 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 6: are constantly comparing and looking for the next Michael Jordan, 265 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 6: and then when it happens, we're like, yeah, let's see, 266 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 6: he's the next Mike. We pushed this onto people and 267 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 6: then hold it against them after we do. It's very bizarre. Yeah, yeah, 268 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 6: you came. 269 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 10: Close, but you're no Michael Jordan. I mean, is he 270 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 10: the next Michael Jordan's. You know, he's not that great. 271 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 10: He's the closest thing we've ever seen to Michael Jordan's. 272 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 10: So I gotta knock him down to eleven. Sorry, but 273 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 10: imagine taking on that mountain. You know that you say, 274 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 10: that's who I want to be. I want to be 275 00:15:59,320 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 10: better than. 276 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: You, and I'm not afraid to emulate everything you do, 277 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: including the tongue hanging out of my mouth here, everything stylistically. 278 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 2: He wanted to be Michael Jordan, and he came pretty close. Yeah. 279 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 3: Pulling a couple of years ago on PTI, I saw 280 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 3: Michael Wilbin talking about Kobe Bryant and Michael Wilbon his 281 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 3: first team Chicago, and Michael Jordan clearly, but he even 282 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 3: said a lot of people try to be like Michael Jordan. 283 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 3: Kobe became real close. Not a lot of people can 284 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 3: say they came even close. 285 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: We'll take a break, we'll talk some football. Jason Garrett 286 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: on loan from Football Night in America. We'll stop by. 287 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: Hope you'll stay with us right after this on The 288 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: Dan Patrick Show. 289 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 290 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 291 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 292 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 11: Hey, we're Cavino and Rich Fox Sports Radio every day 293 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 11: five to seven pm Eastern. 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How often would players show up not in 325 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 2: shape when you were the head coach of the Cowboys? 326 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 5: Not very often, you know, the off season program changed 327 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 5: a lot through the years. If you think about twenty eleven, 328 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 5: they started short in the off season programs. You know, 329 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 5: relative to the days of Jimmy Johnson back in the nineties, 330 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 5: you know, we were in that building on March first, 331 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 5: and and you're able to lay a great foundation for 332 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 5: the off season. You know, we ran and lifted and 333 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 5: did all that for two months before we even thought 334 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 5: about touching a football. 335 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 9: And those days are long gone. 336 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 5: And I do think in a lot of ways we 337 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 5: missed those days because the foundation that you lay for 338 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 5: yourself physically to get ready for sixteen seventeen game NFL 339 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 5: season is credit and I think that's changed a little bit. 340 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 5: But I do think guys take care of themselves. I 341 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,719 Speaker 5: do think guys know what's at stake. What I get 342 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 5: a little concerned about is they're not necessarily working out 343 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 5: long enough together in the off season in a competitive 344 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 5: environment with. 345 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 9: Other NFL players. 346 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 5: So the degree to which they're in shape is a 347 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 5: little bit of a concern to me, and I think 348 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 5: it's not quite as good as it used to be 349 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 5: because of the structure of the off season. 350 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: Were you with the Cowboys when Jimmy was talking about 351 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: if a player falls asleep in a meeting that he'll 352 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 2: cut him, and I'm paraphrasing. And then somebody said, well, 353 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: what happens if Troy Aikman falls asleep. He goes, well, 354 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 2: I'd go over there and wake him up so he 355 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 2: wouldn't be So he had different rules for different people. 356 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 9: Well, it was the real thing. 357 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 5: John Roper was a linebacker we had with the team, 358 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 5: and we signed him during the season and he fell 359 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 5: asleep in a meeting. 360 00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 9: And Jimmy cut him. 361 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 5: And you know, but prior to that, he had talked 362 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 5: to the team. 363 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 9: I'll never forget it. 364 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 5: He stood in front of the team in a team 365 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 5: meeting and said, hey, guys, you guys don't understand. Everyone's 366 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 5: on a spectrum here. I don't treat everybody the same. 367 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 5: I don't treat everybody equally. You know, guys who have 368 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 5: been here for a long time and have skins on 369 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 5: the wall and have helped us win championships, they get 370 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 5: treated differently than a guy who just showed up. Troy 371 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 5: Akoman gets treated differently than a third string, you know, 372 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 5: guard who's trying to hang on by a string. 373 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 9: He hasn't done anything yet, and to. 374 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 5: Me, it's the first time I've ever heard a coach 375 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 5: ever say something like that. But it's true, and it's honest, 376 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 5: and certainly you want to be consistent, you want to 377 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 5: have a standard that you hold everybody too. But someone 378 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 5: who has some history with you and has some pelts 379 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 5: on the wall, I definitely think you treat them a 380 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 5: little bit differently. And Jimmy was honest with us, and 381 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 5: I think everybody understood it. 382 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 2: And were you there when he came up? The value 383 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 2: came up with the value system of draft picks and 384 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 2: when you were acquiring picks or trading picks, like the 385 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: number numerical value to those picks. 386 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 9: Yeah. 387 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 388 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 5: I got there in ninety two, the first Super Bowl year, 389 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 5: and Jimmy had been there. I guess that was his 390 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 5: fourth year, so he showed up in eighty nine. And 391 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 5: that happened prior to me being there. And I think 392 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 5: it was Jimmy and a guy named Mike McCoy who 393 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 5: was one of Jerry Jones's business partners in the oil 394 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 5: and gas business for years, and they're the ones who 395 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 5: came up with it together. And it's amazing how that 396 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 5: became the language and the currency of draft rooms across 397 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 5: the NFL for so long. And you know, Jimmy was 398 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 5: a really, really smart guy. You know, I never worked 399 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 5: with him as a coach. He was I was a player, 400 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 5: he was a coach, So I wasn't priving a lot 401 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 5: of the behind the scenes stuff that goes on. 402 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 9: But everyone talks. 403 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 5: You know, Marvel's at how smart he was to be 404 00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 5: able to come up with something like that and be 405 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 5: able to translate the evaluation of a player and the 406 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 5: draft into those terms. 407 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: Talking to Jason Garrett Football Night in America, former Cowboys 408 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 2: head coach, help me understand what Jerry Jones the message 409 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: that he's sending to Micah Parsons. 410 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 5: Well, you know, for me, in this day and age, 411 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 5: independent of the Cowboys, you know, the salary cap is 412 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 5: going up, and when you have players on your team 413 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 5: that you believe are cornerstone players, you know, my philosophy, 414 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 5: my thought was always let's sign these guys now. 415 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 9: The price is only getting higher. 416 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 5: You know a few years ago, when Kansas City signed 417 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes to that whatever, it was, a five hundred 418 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 5: million dollar contract. 419 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 9: Everybody's like, oh my god, that's ridiculous. You know, it's 420 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 9: a bargain. It's a bargain now. They were ahead of it. 421 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 5: They took a preemptive strike, and it seemed aggressive at 422 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 5: the time, but you know, they're getting that guy for 423 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 5: what I would consider below market value. And you know, 424 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 5: Jerry has had a philosophy that he likes to wait 425 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 5: on these things, and unfortunately, when you wait, you know, 426 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 5: the price goes up. Miles Garrett signs, then TJ. Watt signs, 427 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, Michael Parson says. 428 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 9: Hey, I should be making that. 429 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 5: Because my stats are this relative to them and all 430 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 5: of that. So it's just something. It's an approach that 431 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 5: he's taken for years. I was always an advocate of 432 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 5: being ahead of it and making the preemptive strikes, assuming, 433 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 5: assuming that you believe in the player, assuming that you 434 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 5: think he is a cornerstone player for you. He represents 435 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 5: everything you want in the organization, and he's extremely productive. 436 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 5: So I got to believe they want Michael Parsons to 437 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 5: be with them for a long time, and I would 438 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 5: think that it's better to try to get it done 439 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 5: sooner rather than later. 440 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: Okay, But Dan Orlovski, Ross Tucker, in fact, Ross Tucker 441 00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 2: last Hour feel like Jerry loves the publicity that he 442 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: gets with this that you know this is this is 443 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 2: pre advertising for the Cowboys, that Sports Center is leading 444 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 2: with Michael Parsons. That you know, he loves that and 445 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 2: you can almost become addicted to that. I don't know 446 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 2: what role you think that plays in his negotiation game. 447 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 9: Well, he's a master marketer. 448 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 5: I think we all know that, and his impact on 449 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 5: the popularity of the NFL cannot be overstated. You and 450 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 5: I both know his impact on TV deals in the nineties, 451 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 5: his impact on marketing stadiums and how that's made a 452 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 5: lot of owners, a lot of coaches, a lot of players, 453 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 5: a hell of a lot of money for a lot 454 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 5: of years. 455 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 9: So he certainly gets that part of it. 456 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 5: I don't think that's the driving motivation, because if it 457 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 5: wasn't Michael Parsons, it would be something else with the Cowboys, right, 458 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 5: ESPN always leads with the Cowboys, you know, whatever the 459 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 5: situation is. So I don't think that's a driving force 460 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 5: necessarily for him. Maybe it's a byproduct of the approach 461 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 5: he's taken, but he typically likes to wait on these things. 462 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,479 Speaker 5: He typically likes the player to come to the owner 463 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 5: and sit down and talk and say, Okay, how do 464 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 5: you want to do this. He doesn't like to talk 465 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 5: to agents necessarily about contracts. He likes to get to 466 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 5: the point where Zach Martin or Tyron Smith or Zeke 467 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 5: Elliott or Des Bryant, they sit down together and they 468 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 5: figure it out. And that's not to say that the 469 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 5: player goes in there uneducated, but Jerry just likes to 470 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 5: have that individual relationship with the guy. 471 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:45,719 Speaker 9: And he's done that forever. 472 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 5: He did it with Dion Sanders and Troy Aikman and 473 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 5: Michael Lervin and all the guys back in the nineties. 474 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,719 Speaker 5: So just an approach that he takes. My concern is 475 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 5: the more you wait, the more you pay. 476 00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 2: But he knows that though. 477 00:25:59,760 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 11: Ja. 478 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a brilliant business man. Yeah, and we all 479 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 2: say the same thing, it's gonna cost you more. He 480 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 2: waited for Dak and you know that was the first 481 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: Sunday of the NFL season, got that deal done. So 482 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 2: he knows. He's repeated this. He does this. That's what 483 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: I just don't understand the logic of I'm gonna pay 484 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: more money. Okay, he's gonna he's gonna sign Michael Parsons, right, 485 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 2: he's gonna be the highest paid non quarterback in the NFL, 486 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 2: NFL history, it's gonna happen. He was gonna sign Dak Prescott, 487 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: he was gonna sign c d Lamb. He I mean, 488 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 2: I don't understand the logic here, a guy, you know, 489 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 2: who's a billionaire. 490 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 9: Yeah, maybe he thinks he's going to get a better 491 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 9: deal the more he. 492 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 2: Goes, But he doesn't get a better deal. 493 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, and and and maybe he wants to see more evidence. 494 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 5: You know, I'm just throwing those things out there, but 495 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 5: I think you and I both know that it's probably 496 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 5: better to get these guys signed earlier than later. 497 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 2: Give me the team that you're curious about this season, 498 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: either good or bad. 499 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 5: I'm curious about Washington. I just think they did a 500 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 5: remarkable job last year. If you think about where that 501 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 5: organization had been for so long, and it started at 502 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 5: the top, It started. 503 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 9: With their owner Daniel Snyder. 504 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 5: There were a lot of really good coaches who went 505 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 5: through there, a lot of really good players who went 506 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 5: through there, and there were just so many obstacles to 507 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 5: their having ultimate success. So Josh Harris comes in there 508 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 5: and cleans the Slate and then he brings Dan Quinn 509 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 5: in which I thought was a tremendous decision, a guy 510 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 5: who can truly build a culture and get and get 511 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 5: a group of players and coaches and an organization working 512 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 5: together the right way. 513 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 9: And then obviously they get Jade and Daniels. 514 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 5: So you know, the leadership in that organization from top, 515 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 5: from the ownership to the head coach to the quarterback, 516 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 5: I think is really really good, good. 517 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 9: But it's hard to do what they did. 518 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 5: And so you know, everyone always says, hey, you regress 519 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 5: to the mean. I don't know if you do. I 520 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 5: don't know if you don't, but but I like what 521 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 5: they're doing there. Philadelphia obviously is the best team in 522 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 5: that division. They're the best team in the NFL going 523 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 5: into this thing. But I'm just curious to see if 524 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 5: they can maintain it. And I'm betting on them because 525 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 5: I really love the leadership and I like the team 526 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 5: they're building. 527 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: You know, back to doing it correctly when it comes 528 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 2: to contracts. Many Eagles have been ahead of the curve. 529 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 2: Like they do it, you know, just like you were saying, 530 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: they do it early, they don't. Howie Roseman does not 531 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 2: mess around he's like, that's our guy. We're going to 532 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 2: sign him. We're going to sign him. And they got 533 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,719 Speaker 2: bargains with some of these guys. 534 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, they have been masterful, they really have. 535 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 5: And you know, having played them for years being in 536 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 5: the NFC East, you know as a player and as 537 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 5: a coach, you know they've always been tough. 538 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 9: They've always been a really good. 539 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 5: Team, you know, and these teams that he had were 540 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 5: phenomenal year after year, and then certainly you know recently 541 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,719 Speaker 5: with a couple of Super Bowls they've won. But you know, 542 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 5: I think maybe more than anything else, the most significant 543 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 5: factor and all of that has been Howie Roseman, how 544 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 5: they've built the teams. You know, they're right in their 545 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 5: evaluations a lot. You know, whether they're drafting at the 546 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 5: top of the draft, middle of the draft, end of 547 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 5: the draft, whether it's a free agent signing, they're really 548 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 5: really good at the evaluation of the player. And then, 549 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 5: like you said, they're constantly ahead of it. They're letting 550 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 5: the one guy go, they got the new guy coming in. 551 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 5: They've been right on the new guy. Think about their 552 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 5: defense last year, the number of young players they had, 553 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 5: you have to be great evaluators to be able to 554 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 5: do that, and they've done it time and time again, 555 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 5: and that obviously contributes to your ability to let guys 556 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 5: go and be healthy under the salary cap, and they've 557 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,239 Speaker 5: been the best in the league at it. 558 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 2: Do you want to play starters in the preseason if 559 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 2: you're a head coach? 560 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 5: I do? 561 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 2: I do because I wonder about this. Yeah, it just 562 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 2: doesn't feel like you're to your point getting together as 563 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: a team and being able to practice. You know, Belichick 564 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 2: would talk about Brady talked about they kind of treated 565 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 2: the first couple of games of the regular season like 566 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 2: that was their preseason. You know, the Bengals always get 567 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 2: off to a slow start. I don't know if you 568 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 2: change your philosophy and maybe you put added importance on 569 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 2: the preseason games here, So I guess, you know, coach 570 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 2: by coach. 571 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 5: But I'm such a big I'm such a big fan 572 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 5: of preparing, and you know, we talked about it earlier. 573 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 9: With the off season programs. 574 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 5: I get a little concern when you have a nine 575 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 5: week off season program and you're not doing a lot 576 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 5: of physical training together and you're doing some real light 577 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 5: spring practices and then you get in training camp and 578 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 5: you have ramp up periods, you don't have a lot 579 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 5: of padded practices, and you don't play anybody in the preseason, 580 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden in Week one, you say, okay, 581 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 5: here we go. And you know, the mentality of the 582 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 5: players is such that they're elite competitors, and I just 583 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 5: wonder if they're truly ready to compete at the level 584 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 5: that they're going to try to in that first week, 585 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 5: in the first few weeks, if you have if you 586 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 5: hadn't hardened them enough and they haven't calloused enough with 587 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 5: their training and with them getting ready to play pro football. 588 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 5: So we always believed in a ramp up period, we 589 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 5: typically play our starters six eight, ten plays in the 590 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 5: first preseason game. Some guys if they had an injury 591 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 5: or something, you keep them out of it. But the 592 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 5: next preseason game, there's a progression. You play twelve fifteen plays, 593 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 5: and by the time you get to that week one, 594 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 5: it's not a completely new experience. You've blocked people, you've 595 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 5: tackled people, and you're ready to go. And like I said, 596 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 5: you're hardened a little bit, you're calloused a little bit, 597 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 5: and I think that gives you a little more confidence 598 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 5: too as you move around there and compete and play. 599 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 2: A topic of conversation yesterday on sports Radio, Nick Saban 600 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 2: maybe going back into coaching and coaching in the NFL. 601 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: So just speculation here, your thoughts on that possibility of 602 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 2: going back into coaching and going into the NFL. 603 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 9: Yeah. 604 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 5: I don't know if you know this, Dan, but my 605 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 5: first coaching job was with coach Saban. I was the 606 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 5: quarterback coach in Miami. So I just retired from playing 607 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 5: with the Dolphins, and two weeks later he gets hired 608 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 5: and I was his quarterback coach. So I was with 609 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 5: him in that NFL experience and it was an amazing 610 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 5: experience for me. I learned so much from him and 611 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 5: I'm eternally grateful for that. 612 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 9: You know. In the middle of it, I. 613 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 5: Think he realized that in the NFL, you get one 614 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 5: first round pick a year, and if you go to 615 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 5: a place. 616 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 9: Like Alabama, you can get ten. 617 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 5: And if you get ten one year and you win 618 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 5: a national championship, you're gonna get twelve the next year. 619 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 5: And so he believed strongly in being relentless and recruiting 620 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 5: and building, you know, teams and knowing that at the 621 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 5: college level, it can perpetuate itself. Where in the NFL, 622 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 5: if you have success, it goes the other way. You 623 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 5: pick later, you have to pay guys more, all that 624 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 5: kind of stuff. So I would think I would bet 625 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 5: against that. If you're asking me, I say, coach Saban 626 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 5: does not do that. I think he would do well. 627 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 5: I believed he was going to do well in Miami 628 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 5: before he took the Alabama job. But you know, miss 629 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 5: Terry is a very influential person in his life at 630 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 5: this point. So like he always says, I'm just going 631 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 5: to go up to the lake, he's probably enjoined his 632 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 5: time at ESPN. 633 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 9: Enjoying some time at the lake. 634 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 2: Okay, but were you there when they bring in Dante 635 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 2: Colepepper and you bring in Drew Brees and the Dolphins 636 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 2: decided to go with Culpepper and Breeze. I guess physically 637 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 2: wasn't he was a question mark? Is that accurate? 638 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 10: Yeah? 639 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 9: I was the quarterback coach at that time. 640 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 2: Did you make the decision that you said let's go 641 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 2: Culpeper over Breeze. 642 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,959 Speaker 5: Now it's an amazing experience on so many different levels. 643 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 5: I could write a book about this, you know, Drew 644 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 5: Brees is something else. And you know, he was an 645 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 5: amazing college player, as we all know, and initially in 646 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 5: San Diego had his struggles, but he started to emerge 647 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 5: as the guy and I think we saw that and 648 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 5: we're excited about it. But you know, we were all 649 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 5: in on breeze. And then ultimately there was a medical 650 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 5: decision that said he's he got a seventy five percent 651 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 5: of his rotator cuff and he wants eight million dollars guaranteed, 652 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 5: and we're not doing it. So it kind of became 653 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 5: out of our hands. But he was so much fun 654 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 5: to visit with. I'll never forget. We picked him up, 655 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 5: we went, we took a plane to New Orleans, we 656 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 5: picked him up, brought brought them in Miami, and just 657 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 5: had a hell of a time with him. And you know, 658 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 5: it was one of those things where you have to 659 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 5: respect the injury, but if you were betting on a 660 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 5: guy to be able to overcome an injury, he's the 661 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 5: guy that could do it. 662 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 9: And obviously he was able to do it. 663 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 5: He only threw for eighty thousand yards after the surgery. 664 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 8: So. 665 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:41,479 Speaker 9: He was something else. 666 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 5: And there was a good story about that, you know, 667 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 5: we went to dinner with him and Wayne Heizanga was 668 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 5: the owner of the team, And I'll. 669 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 9: Never forget it. 670 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 5: Uh, you know, Wayne sat next to him and his 671 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,720 Speaker 5: wife at dinner, and and Imber never forget him saying 672 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,240 Speaker 5: to me afterwards, you know, I'm out of the football 673 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 5: evaluation business, but I'll tell you what, I'm betting on 674 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 5: this guy. 675 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 9: He's something else. 676 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 5: And so for him to make that evaluation just based 677 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 5: on visiting with Drew Brees tells you a lot about 678 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 5: both those guys. And then we were there ultimately when 679 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 5: we signed Dante, and Dante was an amazing player, but 680 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 5: his movement was such a big part of his game, 681 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 5: and after he had the knee injury, he really couldn't 682 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 5: move and it was harder for him to play the 683 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 5: way he was capable of playing before. So obviously that 684 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 5: didn't work out real well for any of us. 685 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 2: Great to catch up with you. Thanks for joining us. 686 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:37,399 Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon. 687 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 9: Yeah, I always enjoy it. 688 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 2: Thank you. That's Jason Garrett Football Night in America analyst, 689 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 2: also Notre Dame football analysts as well. Yeah, you look 690 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 2: at the careers that were changed. NFL history was changed 691 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 2: by going with Dante Culpepper instead of Drew Brees. Who 692 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 2: knows how much longer that Saban would have stayed with 693 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 2: the Dolphins Drew Brees's career, Yeah, paulin. 694 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 3: The direction of college football for the next fifteen years. 695 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, changed changed a lot, changed a lot. All right, 696 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 2: last call for phone calls? 697 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 13: What we learn? 698 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 2: What's in store tomorrow after this? 699 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 700 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 701 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: dot Com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 702 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: listen live. 703 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 2: First ever to night Summers Slam, John Cena, Cody Rhodes, 704 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 2: more of WWE's biggest superstars takeover MetLife Stadium. That'll be 705 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:40,280 Speaker 2: August second and Sunday August third at sixth Eastern on Peacock, 706 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,439 Speaker 2: our streaming partner. A couple of phone calls in here 707 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 2: see in Glen Dora joining us on the program, What's 708 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 2: on your mind? 709 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 9: Hey you? 710 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 13: What's up? 711 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 14: Man? 712 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 13: Good to be back six I think six one now 713 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 13: going down, but I dropped down at two thirty, so 714 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 13: that's thirty pounds since I last talk in your show. 715 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 13: Hey Dan, so quick A couple quick things? Can can 716 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 13: can people? Stop singing along with Pandora in the morning 717 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 13: when you do this sta otu of the day, because 718 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 13: sometimes I'm just getting out of my bed and that 719 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 13: just gets my gate going. So when people start singing 720 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 13: along with her, it just kind. 721 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 2: Of messed things up, you know, Okay, stops singing along 722 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 2: with Pandora. 723 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 9: Yeah. 724 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 13: The other thing is the other thing is we talk 725 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 13: about that we talk about this Jordan's or this top 726 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,879 Speaker 13: ten list of all time. But I mean, when you ask, 727 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 13: a lot of people think the majority of the population 728 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 13: thinks that Jordan's the greatest, but when you ask him, 729 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,240 Speaker 13: he's He tells you who's closest to him, it's Kobe Bryant. 730 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,879 Speaker 13: And it's fine. Just leave it like that. They don't 731 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 13: have to. It doesn't have to be a top ten list. 732 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 13: But wouldn't you want to be part of that list? 733 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 13: If I mean, wouldn't you want to be number two? 734 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 13: I mean, if God asked you, can you be Jesus? 735 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 13: Would you do that? 736 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 2: I mean, well, I don't know if God is asking 737 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 2: if you want to be Jesus, but I kind of 738 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 2: get what you're talking about. Thank you for the phone 739 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 2: call there. Yeah, well, Mike is saying Kobe is most 740 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 2: like him, but like Kareem's not, Lebron's not, Magic's not, 741 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 2: Larry's not. I mean, nobody really played the way Mike did. 742 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 2: Kobe wanted to play like that. He was open honest 743 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 2: about it. I think that's why he said he's the 744 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 2: closest to me. Yes, he's trying to be a mirror 745 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 2: image of you, Mike and Wisconsin. Hi Mike, what's on 746 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 2: your mind? Hey? 747 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 9: Good morning fellas. Kind of that same topic. 748 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 14: That top one hundred list got me thinking that I 749 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 14: think throughout history there's kind of one player from each 750 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 14: sport that if he said to the casual fan, you know, 751 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 14: name me a basketball player, it is probably going to 752 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 14: be Jordan's. Name me a Golfer's going to be Tiger 753 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 14: Football's right, Tom Brady, you know one. 754 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 9: That's supped me? Though I don't. 755 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 13: Is there somebody like that for baseball? And who would 756 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 13: that be? 757 00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:02,399 Speaker 2: So modern era? If I we say baseball, who comes 758 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 2: to mind? Marvin? 759 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 4: You got a name only personally? Barry Bonds? 760 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 3: Okay, Paulie, same thing. For a number of reasons, Barry 761 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 3: Bonds is a household name. 762 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 2: Todd, you got a baseball name? If I just say baseball. 763 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,720 Speaker 2: Like if we say golf from you say Tiger basketball, 764 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 2: you say Michael from any from any generation. Now, probably 765 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 2: i'd say o Toani. 766 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 4: Would be the first name that's comes to my mind. 767 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 4: As far as most current. 768 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 2: Satan, you got one, obviously, Steve Balboni, of course, Bye 769 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 2: bye Balboni, Bye bye, obviously. Of course. This day in 770 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 2: sports history Paul. 771 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 3: Two thousand and five. Lance Armstrong won his seventh Tour 772 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 3: de France. In nineteen eighty four, Terry Bradshaw retires from 773 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 3: the National Football League. 774 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 2: On this date, nineteen eighty three, George Brett's home run 775 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 2: against the Yankees disallowed due to too much pine tar. 776 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 2: They eventually came back on August eighteenth and ruled that 777 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 2: Retzholme run stands, and the Royals won that game five four. 778 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 2: What did I learn On Today's program? 779 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 4: Todd Russ Tucker believes Bill Belichick is more likely to 780 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 4: coach in the NFL again than Nick Saban. 781 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 2: Most cars on the road could use Little TLC at Maco. 782 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 2: They bring your car back to life. Affordable paint jobs 783 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 2: like clusion repairs. Get a free estimate today. Uh oh, 784 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 2: better get Maco. We'll talk to Derrick Henry on the 785 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:28,280 Speaker 2: program and Shooter McGavin Christopher McDonald will join us as well. 786 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 2: Hope you'll stop buy on Meet Friday for Todd Seaton, Marv, 787 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 2: Paula yours truly. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Have a 788 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 2: great day.