1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth. I'm in Lazar, Lazar Lazar. Hello, 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: everybody nailed it. He joined us always buy our bar 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: Gaf Kay David match over the schedule. Here is Evan 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex barr band is back together page. Hello everybody, 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: and welcome into a new edition of the Patriots Catch 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: twenty two podcasts right here on Patriots dot Com. I'm 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: Evan Lazar, joined us Always by Alex Barth, and he's 9 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: recovered from the the burn. There was nothing to recover from. 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: I was fine. Like I said, I'm gonna enjoy my 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: Saturday this week. Anyways, if you didn't hear, Alex did 12 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: make a short appearance on Patriots Unfiltered towards the end, 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: so you guys can go ahead and listen to that. 14 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: If you are not already listening to Patriots Unfiltered, you 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: absolutely should be. But on this show, I'll give you 16 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: a little preview of what we're gonna get to over 17 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: the next hour or so. You can give us a call. 18 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: Already some calls on the call screen, Alex, but if 19 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: you want to give us a call at eight five five, 20 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: Pats five hundred, or email us at web radio at 21 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: Patriots dot com. We will try to get to some 22 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: of these calls and some of these emails as well, 23 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: But we got to start where everybody's starting today, and 24 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: that is with the Patriots quarterback situation. Bill Belichick, speaking 25 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: this morning, gave the will see response day by day, 26 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: you know, the smirk, you know, the whole nine yards 27 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: and trying to keep this a little bit close to 28 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: the vest. But we did see an extended view of 29 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: Mac Jones out at practice. I mean by in season standard, 30 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: right in terms of how long we're actually allowed to 31 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: go out there and stand out there and watch practice. 32 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: We saw a pretty good amount of Mac Jones throwing 33 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: on Wednesday. I thought he looked a little bit better. 34 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that he looks completely one 35 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: hundred percent, but I thought he looked better than he 36 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: did compared to last week. Where are you standing right 37 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: now on Wednesday at two o six pm Eastern time 38 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: on this entire discourse, Yeah, he looks much better. And 39 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: one of the things to me last week, like I 40 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,559 Speaker 1: actually thought he was throwing the ball okay last week. 41 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: But there's this other element of it where he can't 42 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: just be throwing from a standstill, and that doesn't mean 43 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: he's game ready. Even if that's most of what he's 44 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: gonna do. He needs to be able to move around 45 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: in the pocket, not just to scramble and pick up hers, 46 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: but to protect himself. And let's say get into a 47 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: hurry up, hurry up situation. He's got to be able 48 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: to run up the field. And last week he did 49 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: not like look like he would be able to do that. 50 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: He was throwing, but then when he walked away there 51 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: was a pretty noticeable limp. Didn't if there was a 52 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: limp today, it was minor. He was just kind of, 53 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: you know, the feet were moving around more when he 54 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: was throwing. You could see him imitating some pocket movement. 55 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: So that tells me he's a lot closer that you know, 56 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: is he game ready. Let's see what he looks like Thursday. 57 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: Let's see what he looks like Friday. But I think 58 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: this time last week we knew like we saw him 59 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: last Wednesday at practice where he's not gonna play. Yeah, okay, 60 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: I can't confidently say that this week. Yeah, that's my 61 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: riad on it as well. Is that compared to last week? 62 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: We got out there on Wednesday last week, and I 63 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: was like, there's no way this guy's playing in a 64 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: game on Sunday. I mean, there was just no way. 65 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: The way he was moving around, how he was limping, 66 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: how limited he was in terms of the things they 67 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: were we got to see him do, it was pretty 68 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: abundantly clear that that was not a player that was 69 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: going to play in an NFL game on Sunday. Now 70 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: it's starting to get close. I think you can tell 71 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: that he's starting to move around a little bit better. 72 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: The other thing that we did see I didn't take 73 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: note in the past of whether or not he was 74 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: wearing the knee brace last week or the arm flap 75 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: with the playsheet on it last week. But this week 76 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: he was all equipment on right, like he was dressed 77 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: to practice, whereas last week I didn't remember him having 78 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: all of those types of things on. If you're going 79 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: to be if you're not going to be a part 80 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: of practice, then there's no reason to have a knee 81 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: brace to protect your knee from contact and a playsheet 82 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: on your wrist, Like, I don't really see why you 83 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: would go to that length. Are you looking up a 84 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: photo right? I'm trying. Yes, I know, you see me 85 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: on my phone. I'm trying to find my pictures from 86 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: last week. Um, so he didn't have I only have 87 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: from the from the waist ups, so he didn't have 88 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: I can't tell if he had the knee brace, but 89 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: he didn't have the playsheet right, um last week. I'm 90 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: trying to go back and find from two weeks ago. Now, 91 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: this is where it's come to Morrell is we're looking 92 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: at is the equipment stage of this thing. But I 93 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: do think it's an interesting point. Now. The other thing 94 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: that I wanted to say on this to kind of 95 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: get into the conversation of Bailey z Appy versus Mac 96 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: Jones and how the Patriots proceeded from here. I've been 97 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: on on Filtered, I've been on John Rooks playbook as 98 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: well on here, and I've definitely come out hot about 99 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: the fact that I don't think it's at all close 100 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: between Mac Jones and Bailey Zappy and there is not 101 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: really a quarterback controversy. And I still feel that way. 102 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: But I think what is driving me nuts, what's getting 103 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: me going now, what's irking me about this whole thing 104 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: is not about bailey'sz Appy or Mac owns or them 105 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: individually as players. But it's more about the direction of 106 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: the franchise, because if you're honestly telling me that Bailey 107 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: Zappy is now the answer, not Mac Jones, or that 108 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: neither guy is the answer, and that's what we're coming 109 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: away with them. We're moving backwards, right, because the Patriots 110 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: at this time last year, or let's fast forward, even 111 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: in January when they lost to Buffalo in the wildcard round, 112 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: we still came away from that season saying, well, Max's quarterback, right, 113 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: we have a quarterback. We don't need a draft a quarterback. 114 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: We don't need to trade for Russell Wilson, we don't 115 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: need to do any of these things. We have a quarterback. 116 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: But if we're moving backwards now, and I wouldn't just 117 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: say that's moving backwards in the big picture, I'd also 118 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: say schematically, and what they're running out there, you know, 119 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: I call it the training wheels offense, right, they're running 120 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: with Bailey Zappy, what they ran most of the year 121 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: last year with Mac Jones is the training wheels offense. Yes, 122 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: there was certainly some turnover, certainly some growing pranes with 123 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: what they did with Mac in the first three weeks. 124 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: But to me, that was not a training wheels offense, right, 125 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: Like they're throwing the ball down the field, they're spreading 126 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: the field out, they're letting him attack single coverage on 127 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: the outside, they're letting him go deep like that was 128 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: a real NFL offense, Like, let's try to keep up right, right, 129 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: that was not a ball security. Let's not turn the 130 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: ball over, let's run the football well, let's play good defense, 131 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: and let's win games twenty four to seventeen. Like that 132 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: was an offense that was trying to compete on the scoreboard. 133 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: And if we turned to Zappy or if we turn 134 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: to neither and say we're starting all over, then we 135 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: are starting all over from point zero. And for me, 136 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: I'm all about entertainment value, right, Like I just want 137 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: to see a fun product out on the field, and 138 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: what we are seeing with Bailey Zappy is not fun, 139 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: nor is it progressing this franchise or this offense. And 140 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: I think that that's mainly what it comes down to 141 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: for me is just I want to see the team 142 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: take a step forward, and I want the fan base 143 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: too to want that, like let's not want mediocre, like, 144 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: let's not want ten and seven and bounced in the 145 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: wild card around, because that's exactly what this style of 146 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: offense is going to get you. I think the problem, 147 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: Excuse me, I think the problem is the last image 148 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: people have of Mac is him throwing three interceptions in 149 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: the second half against Baltimore, one really bad interception and 150 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: just kind of you know that they probably win the 151 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: game without those picks, and thinking, you know, that's kind 152 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: of been in the back of everybody's head. Is well, 153 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: last time we saw this guy costs us a game 154 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: because he was given the ball away. I don't think 155 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: that game's necessarily indicative of Mac. I don't think all 156 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: three of those interceptions were his fault. I you know, 157 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: it's very convenient. Everybody this week is very quick to 158 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: point out, and I'm not saying incorrectly, but everybody is 159 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,239 Speaker 1: very quick to point out, Hey, the interception, Bailey's appy 160 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: throw's not his fault, bounced off the hands of Nelson Agilor. 161 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: And that's a fair point. But when I was saying 162 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: the same thing about not all, but some of the 163 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: picks Mac through to start the year, well, you just 164 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: you just like Mac too much. You can't You're you're 165 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: blinded by being a fair here. No, I think people 166 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: just aren't fully viewing the context. I think they're just 167 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: kind of looking at the box score and seeing what 168 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,679 Speaker 1: they want to see. The hope is when Mac comes back, 169 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: and I think it'll be this week, Like you could 170 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: see him start to build chemistry with some of these receivers. 171 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: It really felt like, even though he threw three picks 172 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: in that game, it really felt like they were building 173 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: towards something. And now they're kind of back to square one, 174 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: and of course Zappy relatively looks good. They're not asking 175 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: him to take a ton of risks, so it doesn't 176 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: look like he's doing anything bad. And he got to 177 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: face the worst defense in the league without multiple players 178 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: like down multiple starters in the secondary, So the worst 179 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: defense in the league's backup defense. Right, So I do 180 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: get where the hype is coming from. I totally do, 181 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: But I just think I think people were probably overly 182 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: harsh judging Mac to start the year, and it's kind 183 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: of created this perfect storm. And yeah, when he comes back, 184 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: I think I think we'll truly see it's hard to 185 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: see what the differences between the two when that's the 186 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: last thing image of Mac and then he's not on 187 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: the field, right. It's really I think it's hard for 188 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: people who don't necessarily watch the game the way we 189 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: watch it. You know, we go back and I don't 190 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: know how many times you watched rewatch a game. I'm 191 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: probably like five six times rewatch the entire game other plays, 192 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: maybe many is thirty forty times. Yeah, when you're not 193 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: watching the game like that, it may be kind of 194 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: hard to differentiate. But I think people will see when 195 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: Mac comes back, they'll understand why this is sort of 196 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: a weird situation to suddenly be well, is is Zappy 197 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: the guy? Is? He probably not at this point, right? 198 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: And you look at the stats and you just see 199 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: forty percent play action for Zappy right on his forty 200 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: drop back. Where was that for Mac? Sixteen percent of 201 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: his throws or tight window? Mac had twenty six percent 202 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: of his throws into tight windows and Zappy has yet 203 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: to complete any of his six tight window passes. So 204 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: we're talking about a quarterback that's solely hitting the layups. Right, 205 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: He's hitting the easy two throws and there's nothing to 206 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: be It's not a bad not every quarter look around 207 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: the right now, you look at some of the other rookies. 208 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: Not every quarterback can do that, certainly, but it's not 209 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: a bad thing if I thought that there was another 210 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: level for Bailey's appy, right, Like if I had said 211 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: to myself, Okay, this is the baseline, this is a floor. 212 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: Is him hitting all the layups. But he's got the 213 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: arm talent, he's got mobility, he's got other physical tools 214 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: that I could then look at it and say, but 215 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: he could even get to another level like that, to 216 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: me is where we were at with Mac by the 217 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: end of last year, where it was like, Okay, this 218 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: should be his floor as a quarterback in the NFL, 219 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: And now I think that there isn't a little bit 220 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: more there that we can get out of him. And again, 221 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: it just seems like Bailey's appy, this offense, the way 222 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: they played against Detroit, all of this is moving backward 223 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: back to a place where, yeah, it's good enough to 224 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: beat Detroit. It might even be good enough to be 225 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: Cleveland this weekend. Who have been so so, I mean, 226 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: Cleveland's kind of just a slightly better version of Detroit. Yeah, 227 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: I agree with that, and it might be good enough 228 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,599 Speaker 1: to win six or seven games between now and Thanksgiving, 229 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: just like they did last year. But when you get 230 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: to the Buffaloes, when you get to the Cincinnatis, you know, 231 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: when you get to the playoffs, hopefully you're not going 232 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: to be in contention, true contention, when the Patriots were 233 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: supposed to take another step towards contention. So that's sort 234 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: of a reset on where we stand on the Mac 235 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: Jones Bailey Zappy discussion and why I think a good 236 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: explanation as to why I just can't get excited. You're 237 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: really upset. You were like, you're really upset. Have you 238 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: have you seen me this fired up about something in 239 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: a while, because I don't the last time you were 240 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: this annoyed by the hype around a player was Gunnar Ashevski. Yeah, yeah, 241 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: that one did bug me. I was I thought you 242 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: were gonna go Cole Strange and the Guards last year 243 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: in the Dragon. No, but that was that was more 244 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: of a that wasn't about Cole Strange. No, And I 245 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: don't think this is about Bailey Zappy. It seems like 246 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: it's a little bit about Bailey Zapp. This is similar, 247 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: I would say, actually to Cole Strange, is that you know, 248 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two you need to be driving a Lamborghini, 249 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: right like, you can't. You can't in the NFL in 250 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two with a camera like you just you 251 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: can't have an offense that goes zero to sixty. And 252 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not good enough with cars to know 253 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: how fast or in a sixty is supposed to go. 254 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: I'm that's a bad analogy. I like cars, but that's 255 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: would be disappointed right now, right anyways, you can't win 256 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: in today's NFL. I think people get the point with 257 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: that sort of offense, so that that I think it's 258 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: more about that than it is necessarily about Bailey Zappy individually. 259 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: But what you said about Bailey Zappy hitting the layups 260 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: not being a bad thing, just to end it on 261 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: that he has proven to me, and I will say 262 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: that I'm kind of a Bailey Zappy hater in some respects, 263 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: and he has proven to me that he can be 264 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: a competent NFL backup or spot starter, right like if 265 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: you need him to start two or three games because 266 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: your starting quarterback is hurt, or you want him to 267 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: be a competent backup, he certainly has checked those boxes 268 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: for me. Like you can play Bailey Zappy in an 269 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: NFL game and not have it be a complete master 270 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: And that's right, that's valuable, especially because they have him 271 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: and Mac Jones now moving forward on rookie contracts, so 272 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: they're both very affordable as well. Well. So here's the 273 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: interesting thing. And first off, you know you talk about 274 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: that when Zappy was coming out, My comp was Chase Daniel. Yeah, 275 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: I said, this guy, he may only start five or 276 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: six games when he's going to be in the league 277 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: for fifteen years. Right. Yeah. The other thing is, and 278 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: maybe I'm going a little too far here, is it 279 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: a reach to say there's a bit of mystique around 280 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: Bailey z Appy at this point? No, So let's say 281 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: this is it. Let's say Mac comes back this week 282 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: and he finishes the season and we don't see Bailey 283 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: z Appy again, that mystique is going to build a 284 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: little bit. Bailey z Appy has played essentially one and 285 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: a half games, played six quarters all right, perfect? Six 286 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: quarters is actually perfect? Has played six quarters of not 287 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: bad football. Yeah, because I wouldn't give him the first 288 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: half against Green Bay it was his first time in 289 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: the NFL. He's played six quarters of not bad football 290 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: for the Patriots. You know who else played exactly six 291 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: quarters of not bad football for the Patriots are going 292 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppo, and they sat him right. He didn't come back. 293 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: Brady the rest of the year. It was Brady the 294 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: rest of the year. Yeah, and then was it the 295 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: next year or whatever it was, he didn't play again, 296 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they traded him for 297 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: a second round pick. People are upset about it. People 298 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: were upset about it. The point, and again, maybe I'm 299 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: going too far with this, but the point kind of is, 300 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: if there's this mystique around him, you say, you think 301 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: he's hit his ceiling. Maybe there's some people who don't. 302 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: Maybe there are some people who don't. And we've seen 303 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: teams kind of stupidly overpay for not quarterbacks but quarterback 304 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: potential in this league. If this is it for Bailey Zappy, 305 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: is he done enough where you know, maybe a team calls, 306 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: they they want to create some competition, Maybe they're gonna 307 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: draft a guy and then they want to veteran compete 308 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: with them, and Bailey Zappy would have a year under 309 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: his belt. Is there a team that would call and say, hey, 310 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: we'll leave you a third When Zappy was a fourth 311 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: round pick last year we talked about I talked about 312 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: this a lot at the time of that pick. There's 313 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: multiple ways this can be an investment. In One of 314 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: them is he gets enough time. I thought it would 315 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: be in the preseason, but he shows just enough that 316 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: another team kind of gets encouraged, takes the bait, and 317 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: maybe you turn that fourth round pick into something more. 318 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know what the Patriots would look to 319 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: do that. They may just say, hey, we have a 320 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: good backup quarterback. We want to stick with that. But again, 321 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: the way quarterbacks work in this league, could a team 322 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: maybe look at what's happened in the last six quarters 323 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: and say, you know, maybe there's something there. He's buried 324 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: behind mac Jones. They're not going to find out. Why 325 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: don't we pay to find out? It's worth this investment 326 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: to find out. I honestly lean towards keeping him as 327 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: a backup, honestly because I probably would too. But I'm 328 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: just I'm just really a valuable thing to have. As 329 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: we found out, and as Dallas can attest too as 330 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: well with Cooper Rush like that, that their season has 331 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: been kept the float. And I would say, to a degree, 332 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: the Patriots season has been kept the float as well 333 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: for the fact that Bailey's Appy and Cooper Rush have 334 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: been competent backup quarterbacks. I mean, there's people talking about 335 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: Cooper Rush starting in Dallas, and that may be more 336 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: of a real conversation. I'm not saying it's real, but 337 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: that's one's probably more real than this one. I don't 338 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: think either one are real. But let me end it 339 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: with this on the quarterbacks, and I want to talk 340 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: about running backs and just go, you know, matricularly at 341 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: our way through this. Can we clip Evans saying he 342 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: wants to talk about running backs that will never happen again. Ever, 343 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: I need that. I want that to be my ring tones. Anyways, 344 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: when Mac comes back and Mack is healthy and he's 345 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: ready to go, neither one of us everybody knows where 346 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: I'm at on this, but neither one of us are 347 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: even thinking twice about who should be the starter. Let 348 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: me ask you this, what would it take for you 349 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: to think that? I? Look, I still think it's Max 350 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: team fully all the way through, but like just hypothetically, 351 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: because I've been getting this question a lot, so I 352 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: think I'm asking you this because I think people are 353 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: curious and want to have this conversation. At what point 354 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: would you take another look at it and say, all right, 355 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: well maybe it is maybe it is leaning towards Zappi 356 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,359 Speaker 1: at this point. So I actually like Earlo's answer on Unfiltered, 357 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: and his answer was that this is more about Mac 358 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: than it is about Bailey Zappy at that point, right, 359 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: because you have to basically lose your faith. It's Max's 360 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: job to lose, and it's Max's job to lose exactly. 361 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: And I think what it comes back to is what 362 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: we discussed in the last hour, is that a lot 363 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: of the changes that they have made to the offense 364 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: with Mac in there. Obviously they've kind of gone backwards 365 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: with Zappy, but a lot of the changes that they 366 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: made to the offense, it's Mac and there were Mac driven. Right, 367 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: Let's which they should be. Let's spread the offense. Let's 368 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: be a little bit more three receiver levin personnel, let's 369 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: be more shotgun, let's less play you know, natural under 370 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: center play action and essentially you know, it's sprinkling some RPOs. Right. 371 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: We asked him about it a couple weeks ago, Mac 372 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: when he was healthy and he was talking to us, 373 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: and he basically took credit for saying, yeah, you know, 374 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: I wanted RPOs in the offense, and here they are 375 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: right right, So all of these things are being done 376 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: for Mac Jones. And I also looked back at something 377 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: that Matt Patricia had said to us a few weeks 378 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: ago before Mac was hurt, actually right after the Ravens game, 379 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: about how at Alabama Mac through the ball down the 380 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: field accurately throw down the field well. And he also 381 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: said that he had receivers that could get down the field. 382 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: So what did the Patriots do in the second round 383 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: of the draft. They drafted a receiver who can get 384 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: down the field, right, So could they have made a 385 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: lot of different things happen for Mac? And if he 386 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: still continues to turn the ball over a lot and 387 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: not function, take the injury out of it, just not 388 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: function at a high level that they can win with, 389 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: then I think that is when it becomes more of 390 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: a conversation, because now you're talking about, well, is he 391 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: the long term answer or is he not. I don't 392 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: think it has anything to do with Bailey Zappy. I 393 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: think that's what Belichick said this morning too, when he 394 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: said that this is independent of Bailey Zappy's play. This is, 395 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: if Mac is healthy, he's our quarterback, even though he 396 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: doesn't come out and say that. But if Mack is healthy, 397 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: he's our quarterback. But he's got to show us that 398 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: this direction that he has is going in is the 399 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: right direction. The one other thing and this isn't something 400 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: we can necessarily assess from the outside. And I know 401 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: I've heard former players talk about this being a thing 402 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: in a one The locker room does sort of have 403 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: a say in it, not directly, but if players are 404 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: rallying behind a guy, either one, whether it's Mac or 405 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: it's Appy, if players really get behind one guy, that's 406 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: something the coaching staff is going to take notice of, right. 407 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: So that's why I think if Mac does come back 408 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: this week, I don't think it's gotten the point where 409 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: guys are gonna be in there are gonna be like, 410 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,239 Speaker 1: what are we doing? Like we you know, we were 411 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: winning games with Bailey. You won. It was one game 412 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,239 Speaker 1: and it was against again, a pretty bad defense, you know. 413 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: So that's where it is to me. If they start 414 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,239 Speaker 1: and they don't really have that many formidable teams coming 415 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: up on the schedule, so I guess it's it's kind 416 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,719 Speaker 1: of hard to say this. If they've really started, you know, 417 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: running some wins off, even if it's not necessarily Zappy driven, 418 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: I think that would kind of become a factor. But 419 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: if if Max back this week, then that goes out 420 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: the window because it's bad. It's still Max team, and 421 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: when he comes back, it's his team. So you're you're 422 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: you're Mac no matter what. Still, I think we are 423 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: at least, like best case narrow, two or three weeks 424 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: away from really having that comment, and they that's Mac 425 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: missing two or three weeks. No, you asked me where 426 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: I'm at right now? It's all Mac. I'm answering the question. 427 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: I asked you what would have to happen for to 428 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: be about Zappy? They would have to have a pretty 429 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: incredible two or three weeks here and then, and then 430 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: at that point you start having the conversation. All right, 431 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,719 Speaker 1: So let's migrate off the quarterbacks, because we just did 432 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: about twenty five minutes of me complaining about the quarterbacks conversation. 433 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: Do we want to cut the calls in the middle, 434 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: like I feel bad making people wait? Or do you 435 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: want to do the backs? All right, they'll be fine. 436 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 1: You're the host, you're the host, It'll be fine, all right. 437 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: We got to get to the news, right and I 438 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: know we we took twenty five minutes to break down 439 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: the quarterback news. But I want to talk it is 440 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: the big story. I want to talk running backs, and 441 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: clearly wrote about it yesterday. Reminder is Stevenson off to 442 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: a great start. I was gonna go of the direction 443 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: until we heard about Damien Harris's injury and how it 444 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: might be a multi week injury, and before we saw 445 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: what we saw a practice today, I was going to 446 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: go at the direction of this of I don't understand 447 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: why this is Romandre versus Damien Harris. It's a tandem, right, 448 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: And the team that they're playing this week has Chubb 449 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: and Kareem Hunt. Nobody's arguing that Kareem Hunt is better 450 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: than Nick Chubb, but it's great to have both of them. 451 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: And there's no problem with having both of them because 452 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: they spell each other and they keep each other fresh 453 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: and they're dominant, right. And I think the Patriots have 454 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: a similar duo. I wouldn't put it quite in that 455 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: Chubb Hunt I think they're one, right, But I think 456 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: the Patriots duo of Harris and Stevenson went healthy has 457 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: the case to be the second best running back duo 458 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: in draft the Backs. In this game Draft the Backs, 459 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: Chub is definitely number one, Jubs one. Who's two, probably 460 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: Romandre just because of the volume that we've seen of 461 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: Vermandrie is really a true spell back at this point. 462 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: For right, So, I don't know, I don't know if 463 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: I've seen enough over the last two years of Kareem 464 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: Hunt to know if he's still the guy that he 465 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: was in Kansas City. And I might take Harris third, 466 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: Pats might have the middle two guys I and but yeah, 467 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: to your point about it's not Stevenson verse Harrison. Look, 468 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: ultimately the reporting is right now that Harris is gonna 469 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: miss multiple games. Yes, but the beauty of the duo. 470 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: You know, everybody I think when they think of like, oh, 471 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: the elite running back tandems, the one I always go 472 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: back to is Reggie Bush and Lindol White at USC 473 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: right thunder and Lightning. However they phrase it where you 474 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: had the fast, shifty, quick runner in Reggie Bush and 475 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: then Lendo White was like two hundred forty pounds, just 476 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: a bowling ball of the back. The Patriots essentially have 477 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: themselves to Lendol Whites where it's it's not thunder and lightning, 478 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: it's thunder and thunder. It's not float like a butterfly 479 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: and sting like a bee. It's sting like two bees. 480 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: So what the Patriots can do to defense is and 481 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,479 Speaker 1: if you watch the game and you're looking for this, 482 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: you can see it happen in real time. It's it 483 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: takes a lot out of a defense to stop a 484 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: guy who runs the ball like that. And when it's 485 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: Stevenson for a drive, and then Harris for a drive, 486 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: and then Stevenson for a drive, you can see that 487 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: other defense starting to get worn down. Meanwhile, all right, 488 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: Damien Harris is out there delivering on the body blows. 489 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: Damian who I say, is out there, Stevenson. Damian Harris 490 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: is on the bench getting some water, resting his legs. 491 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: You know, we'recovering defense, still taking all that all, you know, 492 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: all those hits, and then boom, Harris is rested. He 493 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: comes back in and by the time you get to 494 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: the end of the game, it really makes a big difference. 495 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: Like last year, that philosophy was a huge, huge part 496 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: of the Patriot's success when they went on that winning streak. 497 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: So to say, oh, they should bench Damien Harrison, it 498 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: should be romand Ray Stevenson this much and whatever. No, 499 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: it shouldn't because it's oh, yeah, the show's called catch 500 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: twenty two. This is convenient. There's a catch twenty two 501 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: with running backs, especially like really good running backs. Right. 502 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:57,959 Speaker 1: You want a guy who's good out there as much 503 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: as possible. But if you put him out there too much, 504 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: especially at a physical position like running back, he's gonna 505 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: wear down and he's not gonna be as good. Yeah, right, 506 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: like last week against Detroit. That but you don't want 507 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: that to every single week. Every once in a while. 508 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: If it happens, it happens, and it's not like you 509 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: can never do it, but it's more so you know 510 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: they need Ramondre Stevenson to last the full season. Another 511 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: another example here, Another similar thing would be Matthew Judon, Right, 512 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: Matthew Judon was asked to do a ton early in 513 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: the year last year, and you saw it catch up 514 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: to him late in the season, and you're seeing them 515 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: spell him now a little bit more early in the 516 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: season and try to make sure he can he can 517 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: stretch it out. Having Ramondre Stevens didn't run the ball 518 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: thirty times? Is great, but if you don't need him 519 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: to do it, you know, do you want him to 520 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: be all gassed and beat up at the end of 521 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: the year against Miami because he had to run him 522 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: thirty five times to beat the Jets? Right, Like, it's 523 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: not if you really need to do it. It's there, 524 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: but you don't want to rely on it because you're 525 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: gonna end up just running him into the ground before 526 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: you get to Christmas, right and you all so, I 527 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: think we're both in the school thought too that Remandre 528 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: should outsnap Damien Harris at this point, which he has, yeah, 529 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: but not significant. I don't think it needs to be 530 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: more than sixty forty. No, But Remandre has also I 531 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: think the biggest difference between the two of them, at 532 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: least in terms of their usage. And part of this 533 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: is out of necessity because time on comrad gets hurt. 534 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: James White retires in the preseason in the training camp, 535 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: Brandon Bolden's now in Vegas with Josh McDaniels. So Remandre 536 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: Stevenson has already outsnapped Damian Harris on third down all 537 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: of last year. For Damien Harris right, So Remandre Stevenson 538 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: has become the third down back, and again it's partially 539 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: out of necessity, but it's also because he's really talented 540 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: in the passing game as well, and he's learned and 541 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: blitz pick up, which I think Belichick talked about after 542 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: the game, has been an area where he's really improved. 543 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: And they've been able to get tell all those things. 544 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: But we all know Remandra is good. We all know 545 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: Damian Harris is good when he gets healthy. But last 546 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: week you can't have that again where you only have 547 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: one running back healthy, so somebody else is going to 548 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: get the nod. I wouldn't be surprised if both Pierre 549 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: Strong and let's say J. J. Taylor from the practice 550 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: squad both active and they go with three active running 551 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: backs on Sunday against Cleveland. But clearly they're not going 552 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: to go with just Ramandre again. But who do you 553 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: think when not necessarily on the active roster for a 554 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: game day, but who actually gets playing time, like who 555 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: actually gets carries on Sunday? I think they need to 556 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: split it up, especially after the workload Stevenson had last week. 557 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: And the good news is the Browns run defense is atrocious. 558 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: It's really bad. So you shouldn't need to lean on 559 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: Romandre like that. I think other guys are gonna be 560 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: able to run the ball. I wouldn't. They made a 561 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: couple of transactions the last couple of days the Patriots 562 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: did where Lil Jordan Humphrey was waived. They signed Calvin 563 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: Munson to the practice squad today, so they're full on 564 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: the practice squad. They do have a spot open on 565 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: the active roster, and there was a report from Mike 566 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: Reese ESPN that the Patriots, assuming Humphrey clears Waivers, would 567 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: like to bring it back on the practice squad. Yeah, 568 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: so if you kind of just put all the puzzle 569 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: pieces together, well, they need an open spot on the 570 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: practice squad. They have an open spot on the active roster. 571 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: Could they promote somebody to open spot on the practice squad? 572 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: And who are they going to promote? They do have 573 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: They might do three running backs on the practice squad 574 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: day for sure, have to JJ Taylor and Kevin Harris. 575 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: They actually have some places list Lynn Boden as a 576 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: running back. He's kind of a hybrid. But if you 577 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: want to if you want to include him for the 578 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: sake of this conversation, you can. I think you're gonna 579 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: see J. J. Taylor get elevate. I think you're gonna 580 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: see him get promoted to the active roster. I think 581 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: he ends up getting one of those spots if because 582 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: the report is Harris is expected to miss multiple weeks. 583 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: So you can only elevate guys so many times, right, right, 584 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: So you promote, promote J. J. Taylor him. Romandre is 585 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: still getting the bulk of it. But JJ Taylor I 586 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: think gets more involved this week. And I'd like to 587 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: see run of the rookies. It probably Pierre Strong, you 588 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: would think, right. I just still Kevin Harris had his 589 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: moments in the preseason, but he did put the ball 590 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: in the ground a couple of times. And I'm still 591 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: by the fact that Pierre Strong is the one on 592 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: the fifty three and Kevin Harris. Yeah that is well, yeah, 593 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: fourth round pick for a sixth round pick, And we 594 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: know that they're generally very, very cautious with working running backs, 595 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: but look at that. I don't believe the plan was 596 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: for Ramondre to play as much as he did last year. 597 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: It's almost over the snaps, right, I think that happened, 598 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: you know, James White's injury. I think James White's injury 599 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: I think is ultimately you know, they trade Sony Michelle 600 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: and James Waite gets hurt. I think that's kind of 601 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: what pushed it over the top. So maybe this is 602 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: a similar thing where Pierstrong gets his chance and he 603 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: runs with it and he works his way in the rotation. 604 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: But I would not be surprised if we say C. J. J. 605 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: Taylor somewhat involved next week. There's some interesting free agent 606 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: options as well. They had some guys they worked out. 607 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: Nate McCrary was one who's still a free agent who 608 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: they could bring in. There's guys on other practice squads 609 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: if they want to add it back to the active roster. 610 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: Divine A. Zigbo is on the Seahawks practice squad. He 611 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: was here on the practice squad last year. I also 612 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: I did this with the quarterbacks too, when I was 613 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: trying to find out who they'd signed as a quarterback. Well, 614 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: you figure Matt Patricia's the presumed offensive play caller, is 615 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: going to have a say in this. Some Detroit names 616 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: in there, Bo Scarborough, Okay, would is Alabama Alabama six two, 617 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: two thirty eight, like Big bruising, physical runner he would 618 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: fit in so well here he just he just tore 619 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: it up in the USFL this spring. He was hurt, 620 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: he got hurt, he was out of the league for 621 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: a little bit. When to the USFL proved he can 622 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: still be an impact runner. So I like, I don't know, 623 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: maybe he's just a name that that kind of occurred 624 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: to me, but I think it's it's gonna be JJ Taylor. 625 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: Probably they're not looking for a running back that can 626 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: contribute in the passing game. I think because of how 627 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: they talk about contributing in the passing game, between running 628 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: routes in their system, blitz pick up in their system, 629 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: it's very complex and they know it. So to me, 630 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: you know, you were hoping that Pierre is strong, I 631 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: think eventually was going to take the James White roll 632 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: and then well, you know, before that, JJ Taylor was 633 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: kind of somebody that people were maybe excited about in 634 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: that role too because if his shifting iss. But really 635 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: what they needed in this game is somebody that can 636 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: give them like five to eight carries, so Ormandre doesn't 637 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: have to carry you know, have to carry the ball 638 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: thirty third drive, right, So maybe in that Vein. I 639 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: think that JJ Taylor is probably the guy that they 640 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: trust the most to do that. Yeah, now, I talked 641 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: about it on Unfiltered. The lack of fullback makes this 642 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: a little bit more complicated, I think, because with a fullback, 643 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: it's fullback dive and you're running right behind the big guy, right, 644 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: there's really not a lot of reads until you get 645 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: into the second and third level to defense, and then 646 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: that really becomes just instincts, right. It's not necessarily that 647 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: you're making these next level reads on the move. It's 648 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,959 Speaker 1: more just fine space, fine daylight, and get it, get 649 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: up and go right now. With inside zone, with outside zone, 650 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: some of the different things that they've been doing, there's 651 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: a lot more reads going on for the running back, 652 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, and it's a lot more picking your spots 653 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: and feeling cutback lanes and stuff like that. So that 654 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: part of it's interesting to me as well, because it's 655 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: not if this was just followed Jacob Johnson still like 656 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: we're just gonna run Pierre Strong six seven times in 657 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: this game and it's just gonna be fullback lead plays 658 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, where he's just hitting a gap. 659 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: Then I think that would be a different conversation, but 660 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: because there is a little bit more thinking involved in 661 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: what they're doing schematically with the running backs. And I 662 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: think this is a big part of the reason why 663 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: Ramondre has really thrived, because this is a system and 664 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: I think he feels most comfortable and because of that, 665 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: I think they probably go with the experienced guy and J. J. 666 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: Taylor and somebody who's been right in that process a 667 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: little bit more so, again, I think they add JJ Taylor. 668 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: There's room for both guys to play. I would like 669 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: to see Pierre Strong this week. I really would. I 670 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: you know, he was one of my favorite picks they 671 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: made in the draft. He ran a gap scheme in college, 672 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: so it's not totally foreign to a zone scheme. Thank 673 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: you zone scheme, so it's not totally for Although at 674 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: the same time, because this was my second thought, maybe 675 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: they just run more gap this week. They could. I 676 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: just don't know. Again, I think with the full back, 677 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: you know, when you have ice or a fullback dive 678 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call it, you're literally following 679 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: the fullback like there's no read right, there's no like, oh, 680 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: if it gets blocked this way, you're cutting back that way. 681 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: Or you're bouncing it this way. It's literally just straight 682 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: through the game. But they can, I mean they can 683 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: pull guards and stuff and sort of mimic that, right, 684 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: They can do some of that not you know, even 685 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: with the tight ends. They can do some of that 686 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: stuff with the tight ends. So I wouldn't say that 687 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: I don't know that it's impossible to do that without 688 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: the fullback. It might be a little bit harder, but 689 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: at this level it shouldn't be impossible for for guys 690 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: to be in the un I think, you know, you 691 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: can certainly pull the guard, right, if you want to 692 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: pull run a power play or counter or something like that, 693 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: that's essentially you're hitting the gap again as well. But 694 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: I mean, like I do find the reads part of 695 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: it a little bit more complex than what they're doing now. 696 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: We talked about this back in the spring. If they 697 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: really want to run something with a fullback, just taking 698 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: out the lineman and put them back there, yeah, right, 699 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: we know they're not afraid to do that. You could still, 700 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: there's a million ways they could. I would love to 701 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: see Jason Hines out in front as a fullback. I 702 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: mean that guy can really move and hit people, you know, 703 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: so I was wondering, do you because I think correct 704 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Their most athletic lineman's cole Strange. Yes, 705 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: in terms of just like pure like you know, ras 706 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: score and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, Chase and 707 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: Hines or whoever in it garden, move cole Strange back 708 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: to fullback you could. I mean, it's a tell that 709 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: nobody's thin gonna think you're gonna throw, but that's never 710 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: cole Strange. Hitting the holes of lead blocker would be 711 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: something to say, all right, let's get to some of 712 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: these calls and then we'll talk some browns and maybe 713 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: some of these calls will appoint us in that direction. Anyways, 714 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: we got Todd from North Carolina. Todd, what you got? Well, 715 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,239 Speaker 1: I know you guys are more exs and os than 716 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: a lot of other guys. And what I want from 717 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: you guys is how would you approach this game with 718 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: Bailey Zappy versus Mac? Because I don't know which one's 719 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: gonna play, and I just would want to hear that fought. 720 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: I'll take the answer off there because I know you 721 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: guys don't have much time. Let's for calls. Thanks guys, Thanks, 722 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thanks for hanging on there. I know 723 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: I left them all sitting there for a while, so 724 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys waiting for us. So how do 725 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: you approach this game with Bailey Zappy. I don't think 726 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: you change into much from Detroit. I think the one 727 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: thing that you might see a little bit differently and 728 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: what the Chargers were able to do. They're in for 729 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty eight yards on the Brown, so 730 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: you can run the ball on Cleveland. But the big 731 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 1: thing is is that when you do run the football, 732 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: Obviously they got those book and edge rushers and Clowney 733 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: and Miles Garrett is probably the best edge rusher duo 734 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: in the league. It's definitely the best edge rusher duo 735 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: that they're going to see this year. So you got 736 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: to have some sort of schematic wrinkles in there knowing 737 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 1: that those guys are going to be coming off the edge. Now, 738 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: the interior of the Brown's offensive line or defensive line. 739 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: Excuse me, we were waiting out at practice and I said, 740 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: I've never seen an NFL team get blown off the 741 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: ball as badly as Cleveland's interior d de line did 742 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: against the Chargers last week. Zion Johnson obviously was playing 743 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,959 Speaker 1: in that game BC guy for the Chargers. It looked 744 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: like his BC tape because he was moving guys that 745 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: easily down the field, and you don't really see that 746 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: too much at the NFL level. So some of the 747 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,959 Speaker 1: things that the Chargers were able to do right about 748 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: this week later on draw plays, you know, trap schemes 749 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: where they let Garrett upfield and then they just ear home. 750 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: You know that the guy come from the side and 751 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: block them that way and kind of invite those two 752 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: guys up the field and rely on some of those 753 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: interior combination blocks to really do the heavy lifting, because 754 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: you can't. I think you almost have to use their 755 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: aggressiveness against them in order to get the ball downhill, 756 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: because if you try to just go toe to toe 757 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: with them, then you're fighting fire with fire, right and 758 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: I think that's a little bit risky. But if you 759 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 1: can influence them up the field, whether it's draws, whether 760 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: it's trap, whether it's wham, you know, those types of plays, 761 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: and I think that you can use some of that 762 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: aggressiveness against them. When we've seen the Patriots in the 763 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: past use against elite pass rushers, you know, I think 764 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: in times in the Super Bowl a couple of years 765 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: ago against Donald they did it right where they are 766 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: basically saying we're gonna show you a pass key or 767 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna have you unblocked completely and make you think 768 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: that you're free to the runner, and then we're going 769 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: to clean out right and that is a way to 770 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: kind of get away from them a little bit. Well, 771 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: and we talked about this last week with how aggressive 772 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: that Detroit defense was and if you show them a 773 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: little bit of misdirection, they're going to take it all 774 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: the way. This is something that was probably a bigger 775 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: part of their game plan under Josh McDaniels, but we 776 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: know it's in there. You mentioned those counters, those draws 777 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: something they went to a bit last week, and I 778 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: think they probably ended up doing it less as the 779 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: game went on because Damien Harris got hurt. Screen game, Yeah, 780 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: screen game is potentially huge in this one. And that's 781 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: where again a guy like Pierre Strong, that's his play man, 782 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,720 Speaker 1: that's that's where he is going to shine. So those 783 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: and any sort of delay and any sort of delay 784 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,720 Speaker 1: in the backfield, whether it's draw, whether it's play action, 785 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: whether it's screen, whether it's counter that stuff's gonna hit 786 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: big this week. Yeah, Austin that clear hit on a 787 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: couple of screens, kind of touchdown on a screen pass. Yeah, 788 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: he's really good big And by the way, that's it's 789 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: mostly with running backs, it doesn't have to be exclusive 790 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: to running backs. Taekwon Thornton's back. Yeah, like, let's let 791 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: you know, get him involved in I'll add this too. 792 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: When we talked about missdirection, people think about draws encounters. 793 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: Misdirection can also be an end around and boy, if 794 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: you want to keep those edge rushers honest, run a 795 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 1: couple end rounds on him. It also gets it outside 796 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: of them, right right. It really makes it defensive backs game, 797 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: right game. We know Kendrick Born. Kendrick Bourne, I think 798 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 1: was second I believe was second in the league last 799 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: year in rushing yards for a receiver behind Debo, who's 800 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,720 Speaker 1: not really a receiver. He's kind of just he's Debo. 801 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: He's his own thing. Yeah, so he's a guy. You know, 802 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: they handed to him once last week, but he's a guy. 803 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: I think they'd be very comfortable hitting the ball too. 804 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: And oh yeah, Taykwon Thornton's pretty fast, so you get 805 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: the ball in his hands on the edge, and that 806 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: could be fun as well. So I don't know, like 807 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to say like full on trick plays, 808 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 1: but getting the ball in receivers hands on the boundary 809 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,399 Speaker 1: end around pop pass screens, like that's gonna play well 810 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: in this game too. Yeah, and this becomes really a 811 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: similar script to last week if it is happy where 812 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: the running game is what gets you going and then 813 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: the play action passing comes from there. But the one 814 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: last thing I'll say for we get to Patty and 815 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: Aguam here the shelf right, the three guys on the interior, 816 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: Cole Strange, David Andrews, Mike on Windu. Huge game for 817 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: those guys because they they should be able to handle 818 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: these this DT group pretty easily. But if it's Zappy 819 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: or if it's Mac, you gotta they have to be 820 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: able to step up in the pocket. Yes, right, because 821 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: this is one of those games. And it goes back 822 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: to Brady was the magician at this right where you 823 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: just let those edge rushers run by it, right, Like 824 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: edge pressure meant nothing to Brady because he would just 825 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: step up in the pocket. He'd let those guys come 826 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: off the edge and scream buy him and he gets 827 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: his seven yards, they get to ten and they would 828 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: just you know, it's like a drive by right see 829 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: you later, like right, it just right by him. So 830 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: if they're gonna be able to mitigate that pass rush 831 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: with Cleveland that front, you know, the his shelf, the 832 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 1: three guys right in front of him, they gotta keep 833 00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: him clean so that he can step him in the pocket. 834 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: That's exactly what the charges were able to do last week. 835 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: Myles Garrett and Jadavian Clowney both registered five hurries in 836 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: that game. Neither one of them touched Justin Herbert though, right, 837 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: no sacks, no QB hits, because they were able to 838 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: step up in the pocket. All right, Patty, what do 839 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: you got? I tell you what. You guys are gonna 840 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: get sick of me. Call on every Wednesday, of course, 841 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: not never take the call anymore, never before I get 842 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: to my question. Um, heaven, I just kind of tell 843 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 1: you something, man. I know you said your birthday is 844 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: coming up in a few weeks, and I'll say this 845 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: it sounds cliche, but ages just number many six this 846 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: past Sunday. I tell you what I'm in better to 847 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 1: shape and condition than I wasn't twenty five, and I 848 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 1: feel a hell of a lot better than I do, 849 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: and just personally, a lot of a lot of my 850 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,320 Speaker 1: big milestones happen in my thirties. I put my felfter 851 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: treat school, I got married, I bought a house, I 852 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: had more kids, I became a grandfather. Amen, the best 853 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,399 Speaker 1: best time meal life is ahead of you. I appreciate that, because, yeah, 854 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: I'm turning thirty in December, and I gotta admit this 855 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: one is the first time I'm not looking forward to 856 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: a birthday, I think my entire life. But what do 857 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: you got, Patty? All Right, so I'll post the question 858 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: that I posted a fee you, only in a different manner. 859 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: So we know that the two biggest variable negative variables 860 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,439 Speaker 1: that we've seen on offense situationally is converting third downs 861 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: and converting touchdowns on the red zone. So down the 862 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 1: home stretch, what do you guys think is is of 863 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: more important out of those two things. Me personally, I 864 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: think it's converting red zone, you know, converting touchdowns in 865 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,919 Speaker 1: the red zone because you can dummy up like third 866 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: down numbers. Yeah, absolutely, Okay, we'll ask that one. Thanks, Patty. 867 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate it, and I'll look forward to my birthday 868 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: a little bit more, I guess after that call. But 869 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: red zone or third down, I think third down for me. 870 00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: I look at first and second down a lot to 871 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,359 Speaker 1: to the third down question, because there's such a big 872 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: difference between third and one and third and seven in 873 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: the NFL, right, I mean, sometimes what's happening on third 874 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 1: down is actually what's happening on first and second down, 875 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 1: and that might be a little bit more important. I 876 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,359 Speaker 1: haven't looked up the numbers yet in terms of coming 877 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,760 Speaker 1: off this Detroit game and how they've changed since Detroit, 878 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: But on third down league wide, third and less than 879 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: three is about a sixty percent conversion rate. When you 880 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: get into third and more than three you go down 881 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: to like twenty five thirty percent, right, So just naturally 882 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: that's a big discrepancy. So the Patriots on first and 883 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: second down need to get themselves either ideally avoid third 884 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: down altogether, right and just be a great first and 885 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: second down team, or get into third and manageables, which 886 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 1: I think they did a little bit more with Zappy 887 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: just because of the run game and some of the 888 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: play action stuff they were able to do. Now, red 889 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: zone this has been a big, big issue for this team. 890 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: They're twenty eighth in the league right now in red 891 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 1: zone efficiency, and that's I mean last week was it 892 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 1: five Nick Folk field goals in that game against Detroit 893 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: against a bad Detroit defense that needs to get a 894 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,800 Speaker 1: lot better quickly or they're not gonna be able to 895 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: score points with the best offenses. But it's tough because 896 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: I tried to go through their red zone possessions last week. 897 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: They were over four against Detroit, and you can't. It's 898 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 1: not one thing, right, and it usually isn't with football, right. 899 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: But I think in the first two drives there was 900 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: some execution miscues. The very first drive, they had second 901 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 1: and one inside the red zone and didn't pick up 902 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 1: the first down, right, They had a stuff, then they 903 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: had a tackle for loss, and then they had to 904 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: kick the field goal. So that was a blocking you know, 905 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: blocking breakdowns or whatever. It's whether it was Mike points 906 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,280 Speaker 1: and pointing guys in the right direction or just actually 907 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: executing the block, you know. I think that's one. You 908 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,439 Speaker 1: have to know the assignments to really know for sure 909 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,919 Speaker 1: what's going on. The second drive, I thought that Bailey 910 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: Zappy missed a couple throws. You know, he quickly hit 911 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 1: Damien Harrison the flat thought he had like a pick 912 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 1: play on it was zone coverage and it got blown up. 913 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: And then he threw incomplete over the middle of the 914 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: Hunter Henry and miss Jacobe Myers on that deep crosser. 915 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: But the decks two drives and look, it was like 916 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,320 Speaker 1: nineteen to nothing at this point, So I think some 917 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 1: of the conservativism had to do with the scoreboard. But 918 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: that was when we got into like the screen passes, 919 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 1: and they ran two zone reads with Bailey's at one. 920 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: He kept one of them right and he joked about 921 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: it and he saw on the broadcast he was like, 922 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: how was this close? He was like three yards short. 923 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,360 Speaker 1: So they're running zone read with Bailey zappy, Like, I 924 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: think that that has to do with the scoreboard and 925 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: the fact that you have a quarterback making his first 926 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 1: career start that's a rookie and not necessarily wind opening up. 927 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: The last thing I'll say about the red zone, and 928 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: I'll let you give your take. All I count high 929 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 1: red like fringe red zone touchdowns Like to me, I 930 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: don't know why we draw this arbitrary line at the 931 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 1: twenty yard line and like only count touchdowns inside the 932 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: twenty as like good touchdowns like him throwing a twenty 933 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 1: four yard touchdown and Jacobe Myers, in my mind, is 934 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: a red zone touchdown, right, Like, that's a touchdown no 935 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: matter what way he sliced it. Same with the week 936 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: before against the Green Bailey threw a twenty five twenty 937 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,879 Speaker 1: six yard touchdown passes DeVante Parker. So it's like, if 938 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: you skip the red zone, I don't think that's necessarily 939 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,280 Speaker 1: a bad thing either, so, but their red zone execution 940 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 1: needs to get back well. So it's interesting you say 941 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 1: that because there was a trend last year and I 942 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: don't have the numbers for it this season, but it 943 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: kind of feels like it's been a little similar. They 944 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: could score from that high red area like the fifteen 945 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 1: to the twenty five, and they could score from the 946 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 1: five yard line, right It's they tend to stall out 947 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: between like the fifteen and twenty five yard line is 948 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,479 Speaker 1: really or between the five and twenty five yard line 949 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 1: is where things get weird. It's tough to place it 950 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 1: look a lot of it, And I know you you 951 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: talked about the blocking in the last game, but going 952 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,920 Speaker 1: back to when it was Mac. It was penalties. It 953 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: was penalties and turnovers. It was fall starts, holds, bad snaps, interceptions, 954 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,320 Speaker 1: bad reads like that to me is really what was 955 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,360 Speaker 1: killing them down there. It's been a little different with Zappy, 956 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: but you don't expect it to look as good with 957 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 1: the third string quarterback. Yeah, so I when Mac comes 958 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,279 Speaker 1: back to me, it's, you know, the offensive line's gotten 959 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: better in terms of the penalties in the midst assignments. 960 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 1: If they can clean that up, I think they can 961 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 1: be better in the red zone. It's just a matter, 962 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's easier said than done. Don't commit penalties, 963 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 1: don't blow the assignment, don't turn the ball over. But 964 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 1: that's really what it was. I don't think there's anything schematic. 965 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any of their designs were off 966 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: or anything like that. They just kept shooting themselves in 967 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,799 Speaker 1: the foot. Yeah, it was. That's a great point about 968 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,440 Speaker 1: the yardage because inside the five there are always a 969 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 1: money running team, like they can power it in first 970 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 1: in the goal from the four yard line. That's that's 971 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,880 Speaker 1: six every single time for the Patriots. The high red 972 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: zone or like the fringe red zone. But I was 973 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: just talking about They've been pretty efficient from there too, 974 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: throwing the ball into the end zone from twenty to 975 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 1: twenty five yards out. They've been able to do that, 976 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: but they get caught in no man's land. I think 977 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,920 Speaker 1: with in between like the six and like the nineteen, right, 978 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 1: they they get caught in this no man's land, and 979 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: you can't if it's first and ten from the nineteen. 980 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: It's tough to run the ball all the way down 981 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,840 Speaker 1: to the goal line. It's also tough to throw it 982 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 1: because it's a condensed field. So I think they need 983 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,359 Speaker 1: to work on some of that. I know people are 984 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 1: gonna say, well, what about Hunter Henry Alex, Why aren't 985 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: they throwing it to Hunter Henry. I do think that 986 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 1: there is some element of that as well, but he 987 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 1: is a known commodity in the red zone right for 988 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: teams are gonna that's the first guy teams are gonna 989 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 1: look to take away. Absolutely, he is the guy down there. 990 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 1: So the response to that, I know it's usually a 991 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,440 Speaker 1: lower percentage throw, and I know he's had a lot 992 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 1: of interceptions while targeted in sort of similar situations. I 993 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,239 Speaker 1: wouldn't hate, though, to see a couple of back shoulders 994 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 1: to DeVante Parker every once in a while. I feel 995 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 1: like they tried it and kept turning into interceptions. But 996 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:42,239 Speaker 1: that was deeper, Like I'm talking about like inside the ten, right, 997 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,839 Speaker 1: like a card line. Like it's really just a bang 998 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,239 Speaker 1: bang play right. Either he's gonna catch it or he's not. 999 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,400 Speaker 1: But that's part of the reason why he's here, right, 1000 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: is it catch some of those passes. And I think 1001 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 1: if you were able to show on tape that you 1002 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,319 Speaker 1: can hit some of those outside the numbers throws down 1003 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,759 Speaker 1: in the red area, then maybe it takes a little 1004 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,759 Speaker 1: bit of the pressure off of Hunter Henry just a 1005 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,239 Speaker 1: little bit, all right, Andrew and Wisconsin got a lot 1006 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,560 Speaker 1: of calls today. OX. I like that, Andrew and Wisconsin. 1007 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 1: What you got, Hey, guys, I appreciate, appreciate your time. UM, 1008 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 1: I just want to ask. I was seeing that obviously 1009 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk around Carolina and trading for 1010 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,400 Speaker 1: one of their players, you know, Brian Byrne whatever. I 1011 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,800 Speaker 1: that's obviously not going to happen, But I did have 1012 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:34,279 Speaker 1: my eye on someone else. Um, Rob Camp obviously a 1013 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: topic for Belichick. Was very interested in him for quite 1014 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,280 Speaker 1: a few years now, and I was just running the numbers, 1015 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: and I thought of that Nelson Egelord in a trade 1016 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,719 Speaker 1: for Robbie Anderson would actually gave them the Panthers three 1017 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: million dollars in cap space, and it would, i mean, 1018 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: kind of be a slot first SAT player. And I 1019 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,919 Speaker 1: was just wondering what you guys would think about that. God, 1020 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 1: thank you Andrew apt the call. That's a good one, 1021 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: because they did talk about Robbie Anderson in the offseason. 1022 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,719 Speaker 1: That trade was a report out there. I think it 1023 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,919 Speaker 1: was Greg Bdard's report initially at the Patriots had shown 1024 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,240 Speaker 1: some interest in Robbie Anderson, and then Anderson had confirmed 1025 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,400 Speaker 1: that the Patriots had at least made a call to 1026 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: his team in free agency when he was in free 1027 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 1: agency with the Jets. So I think that there is 1028 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,880 Speaker 1: some Robbie Anderson buzz or they like Robbie Anderson. But 1029 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,919 Speaker 1: I've heard Robbie Anderson, now I hadn't heard that one before. 1030 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,720 Speaker 1: I've also heard Dj Moore, who's a really good player. 1031 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,160 Speaker 1: But they we didn't get to it yet, and we 1032 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,080 Speaker 1: might not get to it today just because of you know, 1033 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,640 Speaker 1: all the calls we have, which is great. They just 1034 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,799 Speaker 1: cut a receiver like they don't have, right really much 1035 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,520 Speaker 1: room for a wide receiver. So maybe Andrew's idea of 1036 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,239 Speaker 1: a player for players swap, like swapping Anderson for Agalore 1037 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,239 Speaker 1: could be something isn't a contract year, so that would 1038 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 1: get the Panthers. You know, It's that happens a lot 1039 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,840 Speaker 1: more in like the NBA. Right, are you traded the 1040 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,000 Speaker 1: expiring right? But maybe that is a way the Panthers 1041 00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 1: could look at it is that, Okay, we have aglare 1042 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 1: to get a through the rest of the season, and 1043 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: then we haven't expiring. We get that money freed up 1044 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 1: in the next offseason. But I find it interesting that 1045 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,959 Speaker 1: a lot of the names are wide receivers that people 1046 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 1: want because the Patriots right now don't have enough snaps 1047 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,600 Speaker 1: to go around for the receivers that they already have. Yeah, 1048 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,759 Speaker 1: the thing with that, it's not a bad idea. The 1049 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,960 Speaker 1: problem is that the Panthers don't want a guy to 1050 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 1: hold them more for the rest of the season. Right 1051 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,799 Speaker 1: They're trying to get CJ. Stroud, They're trying to get 1052 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,080 Speaker 1: Bryce Young, they want draft picks, and you know, maybe 1053 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 1: Robbie Anderson's a player to revisit this summer. I actually 1054 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,960 Speaker 1: wrote for ninety five Sports up dot Com. I have 1055 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,839 Speaker 1: a list of like six or seven players I think 1056 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,839 Speaker 1: the Patriots would realistically target from the Panthers, and it's 1057 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,840 Speaker 1: mostly guys towards the bottom of the depth chart. The 1058 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,560 Speaker 1: two big names I had are Frankie Luvu and Shack Thompson. Yeah, 1059 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,719 Speaker 1: but the Panthers are gonna want draft picks at this point. 1060 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,680 Speaker 1: And look, the Patriots have three sixth round draft picks 1061 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,640 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, so if they do want a guy, 1062 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,759 Speaker 1: so when I'll give you. For instance, we talked about, 1063 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, maybe they need to add a running back. 1064 00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,719 Speaker 1: Donte Foreman isn't And look, the Patriots historically they like 1065 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,960 Speaker 1: adding players they see in joint practices. They have a 1066 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,040 Speaker 1: history of doing it. They get a close up look 1067 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,880 Speaker 1: at these guys. They know what they're really about. They 1068 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,480 Speaker 1: saw Donta Foreman was with the Panthers when they came 1069 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,880 Speaker 1: here this summer. It's a big, powerful running back, the 1070 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,600 Speaker 1: kind of guy they like. I believe his cap at 1071 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,279 Speaker 1: this year it's a one year deal. I believe it's 1072 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 1: like a nine hundred and fifty thousand dollars cap hit. 1073 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,520 Speaker 1: They have three six round picks, they need running back depth. 1074 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,160 Speaker 1: A sixth for Donta Foreman and a seventh like that. 1075 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,200 Speaker 1: More so, I think is the kind of deal you're 1076 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,800 Speaker 1: talking about if they're gonna call the Panthers. So I 1077 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,919 Speaker 1: agree with you that. By the way, Danta Foreman also 1078 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,920 Speaker 1: gashed them last year when he's with Tennessee. Yeah, I 1079 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,000 Speaker 1: agree with you that if they're gonna call Carolina, it's 1080 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,040 Speaker 1: not gonna be about a top of the roster player. 1081 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,000 Speaker 1: But can I give you one top of the roster name? 1082 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:43,600 Speaker 1: Then if they're going to pick up the phone and 1083 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,239 Speaker 1: call the Panthers, then I would really like, is this 1084 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,200 Speaker 1: realistic or no? I just looked up his contract and 1085 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,200 Speaker 1: it's not as own. Is it a rookie contract? It 1086 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,880 Speaker 1: is a rookie cooky, so it's probably not realistic. But anyway, 1087 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 1: is it Jeremy China? Because they would love Jeremy Chin. 1088 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,160 Speaker 1: They drafted Kyle Dugger over Jeremy in right, but imagine 1089 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,640 Speaker 1: having both. How about Derek Brown? Because Derek Brown, I 1090 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:10,319 Speaker 1: would say hasn't played up to his draft status. He's 1091 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 1: top ten pick. I wouldn't necessarily say he's played up 1092 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,360 Speaker 1: to their draft status. He's do six million dollars this 1093 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,200 Speaker 1: year because it's a it's a high rookie contract obviously, right, 1094 00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,160 Speaker 1: so he's do six million dollars this year, so you 1095 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:23,880 Speaker 1: have to move the money around. But I think the 1096 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,760 Speaker 1: one thing that you can look at on this Patriots 1097 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,440 Speaker 1: team defensively is run defense. They have not been a 1098 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 1: good run defense team. And secondly to that, I think 1099 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,200 Speaker 1: that moving Devon Godshaw off of the nose and making 1100 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,879 Speaker 1: him more of a three four end, especially on first down, 1101 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,920 Speaker 1: would make them significantly better of a run defense. I 1102 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,399 Speaker 1: thought that's what they were going to do when they signed, 1103 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,960 Speaker 1: especially if you have a guy that can play the 1104 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,960 Speaker 1: nose as well as Derek Brown can play the nose. 1105 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,480 Speaker 1: So Derek Brown, to me is the type of guy 1106 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,880 Speaker 1: that when you pick him seventh overall, it's not necessarily 1107 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,800 Speaker 1: a player that is going to live up to that 1108 00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,400 Speaker 1: kind of potential because he's not going to put up 1109 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,920 Speaker 1: the stats of a seventh overall pick. But in the 1110 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,120 Speaker 1: Patriots system, you know, we just put Vince Wilfork in 1111 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,920 Speaker 1: the Patriot Hall of Fame, like we get it right, 1112 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, take on double teams, absorbed contact, plug gaps, 1113 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,440 Speaker 1: you know, really hold the line of scrimmage like that 1114 00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,480 Speaker 1: type of guy can be extremely valuable. You go, in 1115 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,920 Speaker 1: my mind from with Derek Brown in the mix, I 1116 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,840 Speaker 1: think you improve your run defense pretty significantly, and a 1117 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,040 Speaker 1: defensive line, assuming that he comes back healthy. Of Lawrence Guy, 1118 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,120 Speaker 1: Derek Brown and Devon Gadgha, that is a tough line 1119 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,040 Speaker 1: to run on. It's a really tough line to run on. 1120 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,840 Speaker 1: So I wonder, I don't know, it's gonna cost a 1121 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,680 Speaker 1: lot to get him. It's not gonna be cheap to 1122 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,080 Speaker 1: get him. So I agree and disagree because in the 1123 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,719 Speaker 1: one hand, the value of his draft status obviously means that, 1124 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,400 Speaker 1: you know, he is a premier type of player, but 1125 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,920 Speaker 1: I don't think he's necessarily played to that level. And 1126 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,719 Speaker 1: is there any what is the value league wide in 1127 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 1: general of a two gapping nose tackle. I guess that's 1128 00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,360 Speaker 1: true that it just feels more like an offseason move, right, Like, 1129 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,719 Speaker 1: that's definitely something I think we talk about a lot 1130 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,000 Speaker 1: this offseason. I just don't know what that's the kind 1131 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,640 Speaker 1: of move they make in season. Yeah, that's fair. I 1132 00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,120 Speaker 1: just think that that's the type of I like the 1133 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,640 Speaker 1: idea behind it. That's the type of player too that 1134 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,320 Speaker 1: Oh I didn't even notice this until just now. I 1135 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,480 Speaker 1: guess who was aging is Alex Drew Rosenhouse and you 1136 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,319 Speaker 1: know what, he's got that fifty year option, so you'd 1137 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,600 Speaker 1: essentially get him. Let's say they did it in the offseason, 1138 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,719 Speaker 1: you'd still like to have two years of team control. No, 1139 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,239 Speaker 1: you're again, I think it's more of an off season thing. 1140 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,440 Speaker 1: But I'm not I'm not against it at all. The 1141 00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,480 Speaker 1: other thing, just to wrap up why I love this 1142 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,759 Speaker 1: idea so much and why I'm so right about this, right, 1143 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,160 Speaker 1: the Patriots not do not usually pick seventh overall in 1144 00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,080 Speaker 1: the draft, right, so they don't have a ton of 1145 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:44,400 Speaker 1: opportunities to get players that are of Derek Brown's physical caliber. 1146 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,560 Speaker 1: You know. And we've heard I don't know if he 1147 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,320 Speaker 1: said it directly, but we've heard sort of suggestions of 1148 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,960 Speaker 1: that from Bill Belichick of like, oh, we traded for 1149 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,279 Speaker 1: this guy or we signed this guy because he was 1150 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,200 Speaker 1: a you know, a top ten pick pedigree Stephan Gilmour. Right, So, 1151 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,120 Speaker 1: another thing that they like doing, and it kind of 1152 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,040 Speaker 1: speaks to this. They have a trend and jac Jackson 1153 00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,520 Speaker 1: was an example of this. They like they have a 1154 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,160 Speaker 1: history of going after guys who were at the top 1155 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,480 Speaker 1: of their high school recruiting class, who maybe don't pan 1156 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,359 Speaker 1: out in college, but the idea is there's something there 1157 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,000 Speaker 1: clearly maybe you know where he was in college, it 1158 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,239 Speaker 1: didn't totally for one reason or Anotherton pan out. Jack 1159 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,680 Speaker 1: Jones actually another guy that fits this build. Yeah, Derek 1160 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,279 Speaker 1: Brown's five star recruit. So it's that same idea where 1161 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,279 Speaker 1: they're trying to find ways to get players with that 1162 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,000 Speaker 1: pedigree outside of picking in the top ten, which they 1163 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,399 Speaker 1: never do. Yeah, I mean they've tried to put Carl 1164 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,360 Speaker 1: Davis at the nose a little bit more recently. Some 1165 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,400 Speaker 1: of those like I don't even maybe like an elephant package, 1166 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:42,600 Speaker 1: like I don't even know what to call it, but 1167 00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,120 Speaker 1: they ran four three a little bit against the line. 1168 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,160 Speaker 1: They run some over front. Yeah, I mean this is 1169 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,640 Speaker 1: three four Godshaw Davis on the nose and then when 1170 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,080 Speaker 1: he's healthy, Lawn Sky as the other end, and this 1171 00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,759 Speaker 1: is that's like their run stopping. Like I think if 1172 00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,160 Speaker 1: Lauren Sky was healthy this week, then that would be 1173 00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:00,920 Speaker 1: the front that they put. What you make of them 1174 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,400 Speaker 1: using Sam Roberts situationally, it was interesting. His tape was 1175 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,480 Speaker 1: a little inconsistent. I'm not gonna lie, but he I 1176 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,600 Speaker 1: thought the ants the reason why he was out there 1177 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,800 Speaker 1: to me, and we both love Christian Barmore. Yeah, and 1178 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,720 Speaker 1: I think Christian Barmore is a heck of a player 1179 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,640 Speaker 1: and heck of a talent. But early on in that game, 1180 00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,920 Speaker 1: they were a double team in Christian Barmore at the 1181 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,600 Speaker 1: point of attack and he's getting blown off the ball. 1182 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,680 Speaker 1: And I we talked about this on our last show too, 1183 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,719 Speaker 1: or not our last week, but on Patriots Beat. Yeah, 1184 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,360 Speaker 1: he's not a two gapper, like he's not. You know, 1185 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,040 Speaker 1: I don't really know if that's necessarily the role that 1186 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,840 Speaker 1: you want to put Christian Barmore in. So I do 1187 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,240 Speaker 1: think it's interesting that they're looking for, maybe until Laurence 1188 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,560 Speaker 1: guy comes back, a first down defensive end, a base 1189 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,880 Speaker 1: end that can hold up at the point of attack 1190 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,640 Speaker 1: a little bit more consistently, because we you know, Wise 1191 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,399 Speaker 1: has been a great player this year. He's really taken 1192 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,680 Speaker 1: a step forward. But I still think when teams scheme, 1193 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,560 Speaker 1: the Patriots and I think the Browns are looking at 1194 00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,839 Speaker 1: it right now as well. If you're gonna run at 1195 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,839 Speaker 1: somebody on the front, it's gonna be either bar More, 1196 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna be at Wise, right, Like those are the 1197 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,520 Speaker 1: two guys that you're picking on You're not going your 1198 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,800 Speaker 1: Godshaw and you're not going You're Laurence guy. So I 1199 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,240 Speaker 1: do think that there's something too that with Sam Roberts, 1200 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,400 Speaker 1: that maybe they're looking for a little bit better of 1201 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,920 Speaker 1: a more stout presence. But yeah, I would love it 1202 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,600 Speaker 1: if they could. You know, we talked so much about 1203 00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,719 Speaker 1: Jordan Davis right in the draft, like, I would just 1204 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,120 Speaker 1: love it if you could get a real nose. Like 1205 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,319 Speaker 1: I don't know if Jordan Davis is beyond a real nose. 1206 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,440 Speaker 1: I mean, Jordan Davis is Jordan Davis. He's one of one. 1207 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,600 Speaker 1: He is one of one, but like Derek Brown is 1208 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,560 Speaker 1: like kind of in that next tier of physical marble, right, Jordan. 1209 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,839 Speaker 1: You know how I feel about Jordan. I thought Jordan 1210 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,799 Speaker 1: Davis was the most talented football player in that draft period. 1211 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,040 Speaker 1: End of sentence. Yeah he's He's awesome, all right, Yeah, 1212 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:47,759 Speaker 1: Michael in Chicago, What do you got, Michael? Oh, hey guys, Um, 1213 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,560 Speaker 1: thanks for taking my call. I was just about to 1214 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,680 Speaker 1: dive into the defense a little bit. Um, but um, 1215 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,200 Speaker 1: I guess we can kind of switch it back to 1216 00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,600 Speaker 1: the offense because I'm thinking about the steering and I'm 1217 00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,480 Speaker 1: still this guy. So just your way. What are your 1218 00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,920 Speaker 1: guys thoughts on Dollichick being basically just factile offensive coordinator 1219 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:09,120 Speaker 1: because it just doesn't seem like Bailey Dappy, a guy 1220 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,440 Speaker 1: at the for Front West Kentucky, would be as calm, 1221 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,560 Speaker 1: cool and collected if Matt Chrisha and Joe Judge were 1222 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,240 Speaker 1: his coaches, you know what I mean, Like, it just 1223 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,960 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like if you got the greatest coach of 1224 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,240 Speaker 1: all time, you know, in your ear helping you out 1225 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,680 Speaker 1: being there you know, eighty and nine ay percent the time. 1226 00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,480 Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of you know, you make 1227 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:28,720 Speaker 1: you feel a little bit better. I don't know what 1228 00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,720 Speaker 1: you guys thoughts on that one. I'll hang up to listen. 1229 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for calling, Michael. Okay, So, I think what's interesting 1230 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,240 Speaker 1: about this is that Dmpace he went on the podcast 1231 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,680 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and when he was the 1232 00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,600 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator for the Patriots in like the OA to 1233 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,920 Speaker 1: twenty ten range, I think is around in the time 1234 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,160 Speaker 1: when he was there DC, he mentioned that Belichick basically 1235 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,480 Speaker 1: spent no time with the defense like he was all 1236 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,160 Speaker 1: with Brady and with the quarterbacks. Cam Newton mentioned something 1237 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,480 Speaker 1: similar when he was here in twenty twenty and Mac 1238 00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:01,520 Speaker 1: has talked a lot about Belichick's perspect on the position, 1239 00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,960 Speaker 1: where he can basically, we use this word a lot, 1240 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,960 Speaker 1: reverse engineer the defense and say this is what they're 1241 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,560 Speaker 1: gonna do against you, this is how they play, this 1242 00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,240 Speaker 1: is where the vulnerabilities are, and this is how you're 1243 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,000 Speaker 1: going to attack it. And more times than not, of course, 1244 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,400 Speaker 1: because he's Bill Belichick, he's right right, and he gives 1245 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:19,840 Speaker 1: them a really good leg up on that. So I 1246 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:25,200 Speaker 1: don't think that Belichick working ninety percent or whatever percent 1247 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,480 Speaker 1: you want to put on it with the quarterback is 1248 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,880 Speaker 1: really new. Like I think that that's been going on 1249 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,320 Speaker 1: for a long long time. And man in the arena, 1250 00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,840 Speaker 1: Brady talked about the Tuesday meetings with Belichick, the game 1251 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,919 Speaker 1: planned meetings that he used to have with Bill, which 1252 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,040 Speaker 1: I think still go on as far as I know. 1253 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,440 Speaker 1: I quarterback kind of hinted at it so as recently 1254 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,600 Speaker 1: as last year for sure. Yeah, So I don't think 1255 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,760 Speaker 1: it's anything too new. The fact that Belichick is is 1256 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:53,480 Speaker 1: would be or is working very closely with the quarterbacks. Yeah, 1257 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,080 Speaker 1: And I I don't know saying that ZAPPI wouldn't be 1258 00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:00,520 Speaker 1: as calm or cool with Patricia judge the plays like, 1259 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,680 Speaker 1: that's not it's not really how it works, right, He's 1260 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,200 Speaker 1: he just is who he is. So I I don't 1261 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's I took the question is 1262 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,480 Speaker 1: is it is Zappy being as calm as he as 1263 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,600 Speaker 1: an indication that builds the offensive corner? I don't think so. Yeah, yeah, 1264 00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,640 Speaker 1: that's that's probably fair as well. All right, Aldred and 1265 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,920 Speaker 1: North Carolina wrap us up, Aldre, what do you got? Hey? 1266 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,400 Speaker 1: So let's tell y'all doing Hey, good, good podcast? So far? 1267 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:29,360 Speaker 1: I got a question to play red zone deficiency. Um, 1268 00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,959 Speaker 1: I'm not bashing the play callers, but sometime I am cold. 1269 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,840 Speaker 1: Any experience do you think because they're not experience enough 1270 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,160 Speaker 1: to call in the red zone, that's why we kicking 1271 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,320 Speaker 1: more field goals and touchdown And I know we had 1272 00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,400 Speaker 1: a backup quarterback dir String, but even with Matt, I'm 1273 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:50,200 Speaker 1: just wondering. And um, for the free agency, just come out, Carolina. 1274 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,600 Speaker 1: I would little bit the chin too, but another corner 1275 00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't hit him. So how y'all feel about it? Yeah? 1276 00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,040 Speaker 1: That was the other position, Eldred that I had looked at. 1277 00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,760 Speaker 1: Thanks for the call to answer this question. You know, 1278 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,040 Speaker 1: I think they gave Dante Jackson a one year contract 1279 01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,840 Speaker 1: to come back. C J. Henderson's also on their roster. 1280 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Is a high pick by it for the Jazz. That's 1281 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,040 Speaker 1: a guy feels like he keep through a rebuild though. Yeah, 1282 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,320 Speaker 1: maybe I don't know how he's been playing this year. 1283 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,160 Speaker 1: To be honest, I'll give I'll give you one. Yeah. 1284 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:19,760 Speaker 1: Stantley Thomas Oliver the third is kind of a hybrid 1285 01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,240 Speaker 1: slot boundary. I mean, he plays like ten percent of 1286 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,720 Speaker 1: their defensive snaps, but he's also a core special teamer, 1287 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,680 Speaker 1: So he's a guy who could come in cover kicks 1288 01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,240 Speaker 1: and just kind of bolster your depth at that position. 1289 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,200 Speaker 1: He's on a two year deal, cap hit of like 1290 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:35,439 Speaker 1: seven hundred thousand dollars. Again, Stanley, you know, a sixth 1291 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,960 Speaker 1: round pick for Stanley Thomas in a seventh if they 1292 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,680 Speaker 1: if that's the route they want to go, feels totally realistic. 1293 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,320 Speaker 1: He's there kind of guy. Yeah. I think the one 1294 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,600 Speaker 1: only guy I would say in their in their secondary 1295 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,000 Speaker 1: along with what Jeremy Jane who's not getting traded. No, 1296 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,320 Speaker 1: he's also hurt. Yeah, the only other guy that's untouchable, 1297 01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,120 Speaker 1: I would think it would be jac Horne, right, I 1298 01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,160 Speaker 1: think you can get I think Henderson you would have 1299 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,920 Speaker 1: to offer something wild to get at Henderson. You'd have 1300 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,040 Speaker 1: to offer more than he's worth. Yeah, you would have 1301 01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,320 Speaker 1: to feel like he's the last piece to you, like 1302 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,120 Speaker 1: winning a super Bowl. Yeah, I don't know if it's 1303 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,080 Speaker 1: worth it with the way Jack Jones has been playing anyways. Anyway, 1304 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,480 Speaker 1: to answer Eldred's other question, we did talk about red 1305 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,960 Speaker 1: zone a little bit earlier in the show. But the 1306 01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,120 Speaker 1: experience of the coaching staff and working down there in 1307 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,800 Speaker 1: the red zone and how those things kind of go 1308 01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,680 Speaker 1: in concert. It is an interesting conversation because the red zone. 1309 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,120 Speaker 1: Look when I when I watched red zone on film, 1310 01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,520 Speaker 1: like red zone coverages are weird, Like red zone plays 1311 01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,120 Speaker 1: are different, like because of the area is so condemned 1312 01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,560 Speaker 1: completely different game, right, Like trying to decipher if a 1313 01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,440 Speaker 1: team is it, like what kind of zone coverage a 1314 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,480 Speaker 1: team is in in the red zone is like impossible sometimes, 1315 01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,000 Speaker 1: So it's a it's a completely different game down there. 1316 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:46,680 Speaker 1: So I do think that there could be a little 1317 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,439 Speaker 1: bit more of a learning curve in the red zone 1318 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,720 Speaker 1: than in between the twenties. But you would like to 1319 01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,000 Speaker 1: think and usually the Patriots divvy up some of these responsibilities. 1320 01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,320 Speaker 1: Like I know Ivan fear As he handled a lot 1321 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,280 Speaker 1: of the short yardage run game, whether it was backed 1322 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,360 Speaker 1: by the goal line of your own goal line, or 1323 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,520 Speaker 1: short yardage in fourth and one, or goal line on 1324 01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,160 Speaker 1: your own the opponent goal line, right, anything that was 1325 01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,560 Speaker 1: short yardage run, Ivan Fiers was a big parted. I 1326 01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,760 Speaker 1: don't know who is necessarily taking over red zone. We 1327 01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:16,760 Speaker 1: know Chad o'sha used to do red zone when he 1328 01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,040 Speaker 1: was here at the Patriots, so I would think that 1329 01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:24,400 Speaker 1: somebody on the staff is responsible each week for scouting 1330 01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,480 Speaker 1: red zone of the opponent and things like that. I 1331 01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,640 Speaker 1: thought the play that they hit Myers on the touchdown, 1332 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,320 Speaker 1: I know it wasn't red zone technically, but that was 1333 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,560 Speaker 1: clearly to me a game planned play. Well, that was 1334 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,680 Speaker 1: one that they put in on Wednesday, and they said 1335 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,920 Speaker 1: if we get this look, we're going to run this 1336 01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,280 Speaker 1: play sort of thing. Zappy said after the gafforget of 1337 01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,080 Speaker 1: it was Zappy or Myers, one of them said after 1338 01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:45,760 Speaker 1: the game that they wrapped out a ton in practice. 1339 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,480 Speaker 1: They had a lot of looks at that specific play 1340 01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,760 Speaker 1: and practice, so it does feel that way, although it 1341 01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,280 Speaker 1: did sort of look similar to DeVante Parker's touchdown the 1342 01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,240 Speaker 1: week before that throw. I mean, that's clearly a throw 1343 01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,800 Speaker 1: that Bailey's Appy feels comfortable with. Yeah, so he loves 1344 01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,080 Speaker 1: the deep over right, the crossing route. I think he 1345 01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,120 Speaker 1: really likes that. And I think the play that they 1346 01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,200 Speaker 1: random Myers is more of like a fade. But I 1347 01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,240 Speaker 1: think what was good about that play. I just mean 1348 01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,600 Speaker 1: like throwing at that spot of the field. Yeah, yeah, 1349 01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,760 Speaker 1: and with a little bit of touch too, right, not 1350 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,360 Speaker 1: necessarily driving the ball in there, but he had to 1351 01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,040 Speaker 1: get it over the boundary corner. He was squatting on 1352 01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:17,920 Speaker 1: the cover two, so he had to throw it over 1353 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,120 Speaker 1: his head, which is big because that was the kind 1354 01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:21,560 Speaker 1: of that was the thing I think this summer, we 1355 01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:23,120 Speaker 1: are all looking at Zappy and he was like, man, 1356 01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,120 Speaker 1: this kid can throw the ball a million miles an hour, 1357 01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,560 Speaker 1: but he doesn't really know how to loft it. And 1358 01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,360 Speaker 1: now you're seeing him do it. So it was nice 1359 01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:30,680 Speaker 1: to be able to see him make that throw because 1360 01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,760 Speaker 1: it was you see the growth from the summer. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay, 1361 01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,720 Speaker 1: let's wrap it up with some final Cleveland thoughts. So 1362 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,520 Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about the offense and how 1363 01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,160 Speaker 1: they were going to handle things, yeah, quickly, because we 1364 01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:46,520 Speaker 1: don't have a ton of time defensively. Watching this Cleveland 1365 01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:50,600 Speaker 1: run game is it's a fun watch, like this is 1366 01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,880 Speaker 1: a really and I say fun for a film junkie 1367 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,240 Speaker 1: like myself for defending it, I don't think it's too fun, 1368 01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:01,280 Speaker 1: but they are. Their offensive line is as in concert, 1369 01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,720 Speaker 1: you know, as in sync with one another as any 1370 01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,560 Speaker 1: line that they're going to play. And they also have 1371 01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,760 Speaker 1: great players on the line too, right, you know, their 1372 01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,640 Speaker 1: guard tandem is probably the best guard tandem in the NFL, 1373 01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,400 Speaker 1: like two or three years running. And they have good 1374 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:16,439 Speaker 1: tackles also, and Wills and Coughland. So this is a tough, 1375 01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,760 Speaker 1: tough group. And then you add Chubb into the mix 1376 01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:20,760 Speaker 1: as well. The one thing that I think is like 1377 01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,600 Speaker 1: the game within the game, and this one next Jen 1378 01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,080 Speaker 1: And actually pulled this a good research nugget. Eighty percent 1379 01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,880 Speaker 1: of Nick Chubb's runs are outside the tackles at least 1380 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,880 Speaker 1: the aim point. Right. There are a lot of outside zones, right, 1381 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,080 Speaker 1: but eighty percent of his runs are outside the tackles, 1382 01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,640 Speaker 1: which leads the league. The Patriots are actually one of 1383 01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,000 Speaker 1: the worst outside the tackles run defenses in the League. 1384 01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,480 Speaker 1: So that's sort of where the game I think, when 1385 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,840 Speaker 1: the Browns had the football is going to be decided 1386 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:52,360 Speaker 1: is can the Patriots figure out a better way to 1387 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,120 Speaker 1: stop the outside runs and set the edge of the defense. 1388 01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,720 Speaker 1: And asked Belichick this morning about multiple tight ends, and 1389 01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,360 Speaker 1: I asked them about that because when you start putting 1390 01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,720 Speaker 1: two three tight ends in the formation, it creates more 1391 01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:06,120 Speaker 1: gaps and the width of the formation becomes harder to 1392 01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,880 Speaker 1: defend from a run perspective. So this is a run 1393 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,280 Speaker 1: defense game where you know they always say all eleven 1394 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,440 Speaker 1: to the ball, but with Nick Chubb, it's all eleven 1395 01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,919 Speaker 1: to the ball, right. It's like tackling Michael Vicken is private. 1396 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,280 Speaker 1: You got to bring everybody because no one guy is 1397 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,160 Speaker 1: not gonna get them on the ground. But it's also 1398 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,600 Speaker 1: all eleven because they are going to make all eleven 1399 01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,480 Speaker 1: guys defend the run. Like, this is not a game 1400 01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,040 Speaker 1: where the corners are just gonna be able to take 1401 01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:28,920 Speaker 1: it off when it is a run play, because the 1402 01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,960 Speaker 1: point of attack could be on the boundary where you're 1403 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,880 Speaker 1: where a corner could be at. So a really difficult 1404 01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,120 Speaker 1: run game to defend for so many reasons. But I 1405 01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:41,560 Speaker 1: think the biggest challenge is for the Patriots, how do 1406 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,960 Speaker 1: they control the edges of the line of scrimmage, because 1407 01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,960 Speaker 1: I think with Detroit they were a downhill gap scheme. 1408 01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,800 Speaker 1: So the Patriots won inside the guards, right, they dominated 1409 01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:53,880 Speaker 1: inside the tackles, and they were able to control the run. 1410 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,720 Speaker 1: Not dominated, but they controlled the game in that respect, 1411 01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,120 Speaker 1: especially against the past, but in the run they were 1412 01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,840 Speaker 1: able to at the bleeding. This game is going to 1413 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,800 Speaker 1: be outside and I don't think that that statistically that 1414 01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,840 Speaker 1: doesn't really favor the Patriots all that much. But how 1415 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,680 Speaker 1: do you go about setting the edge and making sure 1416 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,800 Speaker 1: that you are combating what the because that's the whole offense, 1417 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,640 Speaker 1: right The Browns are outside zone, and they're hard play 1418 01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,280 Speaker 1: action off the outside zone, and that's how they get 1419 01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,680 Speaker 1: their yards. If you can create this into a drop 1420 01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,959 Speaker 1: back passing game, I have no fear of, Jaco Huber said, 1421 01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,919 Speaker 1: spreading the field and slinging the ball around the yard. 1422 01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,640 Speaker 1: But if if they're really good on first and second down, 1423 01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,000 Speaker 1: like they can be, and they're in that sync of 1424 01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,520 Speaker 1: first down, second down play action run, that's when they're 1425 01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,520 Speaker 1: really difficult to stop. I mean, there's a couple of 1426 01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,920 Speaker 1: things I think they can do one. We've seen them 1427 01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,040 Speaker 1: use Juan Bentley on the edge instead of in the 1428 01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:45,720 Speaker 1: middle of a couple of times this year. That might 1429 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,840 Speaker 1: be something that gets added this year or in this game. 1430 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,160 Speaker 1: Maybe this is a game where Jamie Collins is elevated 1431 01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,200 Speaker 1: to kind of help on the edge as well. One 1432 01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,000 Speaker 1: of the looks they gave last week that I thought 1433 01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:59,080 Speaker 1: was interesting and they didn't do it at ton. It 1434 01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,720 Speaker 1: was mostly on early downs. Early in the game, they 1435 01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,200 Speaker 1: stayed with the five defensive backs, but instead of going 1436 01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,480 Speaker 1: with the slot corner, they actually went with the three 1437 01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:10,480 Speaker 1: safety look with Devin mccordy, Adrian Phillips, and Kyle Dugger, 1438 01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,479 Speaker 1: and they were alternating Dugger in, Phillips in the slot. 1439 01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:14,840 Speaker 1: And they ran the same thing a little bit later 1440 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,760 Speaker 1: with Jabrill Peppers as well. And one of the plays 1441 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,840 Speaker 1: where they ran that was that I forgot it was. 1442 01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,320 Speaker 1: It was the Lions first or second drive where they 1443 01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,960 Speaker 1: ran that screen to the far side and Dugger's double 1444 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,280 Speaker 1: blocked and he's still it's two receivers, though he still 1445 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,000 Speaker 1: fights through to make the tackles. So you know, if 1446 01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,320 Speaker 1: it's Miles Bryant, if it's Marcus Jones, that play probably 1447 01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,280 Speaker 1: picks up five six yards at least. It's the same 1448 01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,240 Speaker 1: idea where you're trying to defend out on the edge. 1449 01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,920 Speaker 1: So I think Joan Bentley on the edge could help. 1450 01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,120 Speaker 1: I think Jamie Collins be an active could help more 1451 01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,240 Speaker 1: safeties on the field than corners. If you can get 1452 01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,280 Speaker 1: slot coverage from Kyle Dugger Adrian Phillips, that could go 1453 01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,240 Speaker 1: a big way. And like you said, they've got to 1454 01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,040 Speaker 1: finish their tackles. Look, Nick Chubb's gonna get his in 1455 01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:56,800 Speaker 1: this game. You're not gonna hold them too twenty yards. 1456 01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,720 Speaker 1: You're just not. If they do that, we can come 1457 01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:00,680 Speaker 1: in here and lose our minds next week about what 1458 01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,800 Speaker 1: an elite run defense this is. But he's gonna get his. 1459 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,120 Speaker 1: But don't let him turn the eight yard runs into 1460 01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,479 Speaker 1: thirty yard runs, right. You gotta get hit your hands 1461 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,800 Speaker 1: on him and get him down and not let him 1462 01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,160 Speaker 1: break tackles and keep things going. Yeah, I would also 1463 01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,479 Speaker 1: expect we were talking about with Derek Brown's segment about 1464 01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:19,519 Speaker 1: Carl Davis playing nose tackle. I think this is one 1465 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,519 Speaker 1: of those games where unless Lawrence Guy is one hundred 1466 01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:26,240 Speaker 1: percent good to go, Divon Gotsch at the five technique 1467 01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:28,559 Speaker 1: outside of the tackle that has to happen. Yeah, because 1468 01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,280 Speaker 1: that is the point of attack against this team, and 1469 01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:33,559 Speaker 1: you got to have your best and most sturdy run 1470 01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,200 Speaker 1: defender on that combination block at the end of the 1471 01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:37,720 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage because if you put a guy that 1472 01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,920 Speaker 1: can get pushed off there, then they're gonna run for 1473 01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:41,720 Speaker 1: two hundred on you. So you have to have that 1474 01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,200 Speaker 1: edge secured. So yeah, if it's god shot kicking outside 1475 01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,920 Speaker 1: and it's hopefully getting Lawrence Guy back, maybe it's both right, 1476 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,479 Speaker 1: maybe they fight both those guys. It ends if Lawrence 1477 01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:55,479 Speaker 1: Guy is back. But this is another game that you know, 1478 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,920 Speaker 1: I think with Detroit, it was a nice first month 1479 01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,439 Speaker 1: for the Lions offense. It was a cool worry to 1480 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,639 Speaker 1: talk about how this gap scheme was scoring thirty five 1481 01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,160 Speaker 1: points a game. But this Brown's team has been running 1482 01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,120 Speaker 1: the football like this for like three or four years. Yeah, 1483 01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,160 Speaker 1: Like this is a legitimate rush offense. This isn't like 1484 01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,920 Speaker 1: a flash in the pan one month thing. This has 1485 01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,000 Speaker 1: been going on for a long time. It's gonna be tough. 1486 01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:18,800 Speaker 1: What do you think ends up happening? Though, I'll hold 1487 01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:20,519 Speaker 1: you to a score prediction if you want, But just 1488 01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,120 Speaker 1: in general, do you see the Patriots faring in this 1489 01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:27,200 Speaker 1: So I think the Patriots can actually relatively contain the 1490 01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,000 Speaker 1: Browns offense relatively. They still may rush for like one 1491 01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,519 Speaker 1: hundred twenty yards, but with minimal damage. To me, this 1492 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,519 Speaker 1: game is actually going to be decided when the Patriots 1493 01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,040 Speaker 1: have the ball, regardless of who that quarterback is. To 1494 01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,120 Speaker 1: Davian Clowney, Miles Garrett, Bill said today, that's as good 1495 01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:41,840 Speaker 1: of a book end duo as you're gonna find in 1496 01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,439 Speaker 1: this league. If Trent Brown and Isaiah Win can hold 1497 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,240 Speaker 1: up both in the run and the passing game, regardless 1498 01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,360 Speaker 1: of who's a quarterback. If they can hold up, I 1499 01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,680 Speaker 1: actually think a lot of the blueprint the Patriots use 1500 01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,840 Speaker 1: last week they can use again this week. And that 1501 01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,719 Speaker 1: blueprint worked so well last week. They have a shot 1502 01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,799 Speaker 1: to win the game if they let Clowney and Garrett 1503 01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:02,800 Speaker 1: take this game over. And Bill said something this morning. 1504 01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:06,040 Speaker 1: He called them game wreckers. Yeah. When Bill uses that 1505 01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,400 Speaker 1: term game wrecker, game wreckers, my ears always perk up, 1506 01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,160 Speaker 1: because that's that's a tell for him, you know. Well, 1507 01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,160 Speaker 1: any I always joke the best player in the NFL 1508 01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,280 Speaker 1: is whatever player Bill Belichick is talking about. At any 1509 01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,600 Speaker 1: given moment. Right, it's you know, oh nobody, you know, 1510 01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,880 Speaker 1: this guy's as good at this as anybody whatever. Right, 1511 01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,160 Speaker 1: he doesn't say game rerecord about a lot of people. 1512 01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,920 Speaker 1: He said it about A. J. Brown, he said it 1513 01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,040 Speaker 1: about I think he said about both the bosses. I 1514 01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:33,559 Speaker 1: would trying to remember the other guys I've heard him 1515 01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,400 Speaker 1: say it about. I think he said it about Justin Herbert, 1516 01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,880 Speaker 1: Like this is, you know, top of the class kind 1517 01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,320 Speaker 1: of players. So when he said game record today, that's 1518 01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,040 Speaker 1: the clue. If they can prevent those guys from wreck 1519 01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,760 Speaker 1: in the game, they got a good shot. If they 1520 01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,160 Speaker 1: let those guys take over, it's going to be an issue. Yeah. 1521 01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,360 Speaker 1: I think whether whether or not it's Mac Jones or 1522 01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,000 Speaker 1: Bailey is appy. This is not a game that you 1523 01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:55,040 Speaker 1: want your quarterback dropping back to past forty times. But yeah, 1524 01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:56,519 Speaker 1: I mean in the running game as well. And I 1525 01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,120 Speaker 1: know those guys haven't necessarily been elite run defenders this year, 1526 01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:00,800 Speaker 1: but they can be if they want to be. In 1527 01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, I know we were talking before the show. 1528 01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,680 Speaker 1: You pointed out how Garrett and Clowney really didn't do 1529 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,080 Speaker 1: much against the run last week against the Chargers. Well, 1530 01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,519 Speaker 1: how much were they really preparing to stop the run? 1531 01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,280 Speaker 1: You know, I think their goal net game was to 1532 01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,240 Speaker 1: get Justin Herbert out. They're gonna have a much different 1533 01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,800 Speaker 1: approach mentally to this. I would think they're keying in 1534 01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,320 Speaker 1: on the run this week much more than they were 1535 01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,479 Speaker 1: last week. So on all snaps, you gotta make sure 1536 01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,040 Speaker 1: those guys don't wreck the game. Yeah, it's interesting because 1537 01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:31,240 Speaker 1: I keep waiting for you know, Green Bay Detroit, like 1538 01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,479 Speaker 1: who's gonna sell out against the run? Right? You got 1539 01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,680 Speaker 1: these backup quarterbacks in there? The Patriots pass off and 1540 01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:39,760 Speaker 1: so even with Mack was up and down, like, who's 1541 01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,479 Speaker 1: gonna finally just put like eleven guys within ten yards 1542 01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,840 Speaker 1: of the line of scrimmage and say, like, you're only 1543 01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,679 Speaker 1: gonna beat us passing the football. Because Detroit and Green 1544 01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,000 Speaker 1: Bay didn't do it. They kind of played their branded 1545 01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,519 Speaker 1: defense how they would play, even going back to Pittsburgh 1546 01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,559 Speaker 1: really yeah, and they just kind of played them straight up, 1547 01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,680 Speaker 1: And I find that interesting. I don't know, I mean, 1548 01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:00,680 Speaker 1: Belichick certainly wouldn't do that. Like if you're a game 1549 01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,720 Speaker 1: plan coach, right and you're really trying to do what's best, 1550 01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,600 Speaker 1: Belichick would put if if he was defending. Like if 1551 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:07,800 Speaker 1: he was coming up with a game plan for the 1552 01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,280 Speaker 1: Browns alternate universe, they never fire him, right, Yeah, he's 1553 01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:11,840 Speaker 1: doing the Browns defense with this game. It would be 1554 01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,439 Speaker 1: eight in the box all day. Yeah yeah, yeah. So 1555 01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,599 Speaker 1: that about does it here for us today, good show, 1556 01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,320 Speaker 1: Glad we got to some of my Bailey zappy thoughts out. 1557 01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,880 Speaker 1: I hope that was therapeutic for you. It was. 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