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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Markets Podcast. I'm Paul Sweeney, along

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Speaker 1: with my co host of Bonnie Quinn. Every business day

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Speaker 1: the hour. He is birth looking to your managing director

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Speaker 1: of Strategic Resource Group Birt's great to welcome your eight

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Speaker 1: months into this pandemic. Now, we got disappointing data for

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Speaker 1: Halloween in terms of retail sales. What's the one thing

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Speaker 1: to where we are where the consumer is consumer? Based

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Speaker 1: on the US Department of Commerce reports today, VANNI disappointing

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Speaker 1: retail numbers, especially clothing and department stores. What really stands

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Speaker 1: out is the big box retailer's Walmart, Costco, BJ's Target

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Speaker 1: all doing really well. And the other key thing for

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg team members and listeners is stopped at the store

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Speaker 1: today this week, this weekend to load up on COVID supplies.

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Speaker 1: We're seeing the worst levels of inventory even worse than March,

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Speaker 1: April and COVID in terms of paper supplies, paper towels,

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Speaker 1: bathroom tissue, disinfectant liquids, soaps, disinfectant, sprays, and wipes. It's

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Speaker 1: a real panic situations because the brand suppliers are doing

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Speaker 1: a pathetic job supplying the retailers, and the out of

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Speaker 1: stocks are reaching unprecedented proportions. So what are the retailers

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Speaker 1: telling you about how bad that aspect of their business

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Speaker 1: could get? Uh, Paul, it's it's it's gonna get really

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Speaker 1: bad because companies like Clorox had moved to single site

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Speaker 1: manufacturing for the total US. My alma mater Proctor Gamble

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Speaker 1: UH called the number of plants with Booz Allen and

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Speaker 1: Mackensey studies they have insufficient UH plants too far away

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Speaker 1: from population center. So as bad as it is, it's

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Speaker 1: going to get worse, and especially going to get worse, Paul.

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Speaker 1: And urban areas where you have smaller stores often supplied

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Speaker 1: by voluntary wholesalers. So the big change have the procurement

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Speaker 1: power to get what little inventory there is, and then

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Speaker 1: they're smart retailers Walmart, Lowe's, BJ's Costle are investing extra

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Speaker 1: working capital and inventory. But for the big change that

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a real crisis for consumers as well

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Speaker 1: as and then they've retype change. But Birds, we've had

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Speaker 1: eight months to solve this. How is it going wrong

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Speaker 1: go wrong? Why can't Clarok solve this supply chain problem?

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Speaker 1: And and Bonny it's it's it's Clorox, It's P and G,

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Speaker 1: It's Kimberly Clark, it's Coldgate, it's uh Record, ben Kaiser, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: Because they went to the Asian system of justin time deliberate.

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Speaker 1: So when COVID started, they didn't have the raw materials,

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Speaker 1: they didn't have the bottles, they didn't have the cases,

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Speaker 1: they didn't have the truck drivers, they didn't have the warehouses,

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Speaker 1: they didn't have extra inventory. Sort of put put it

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Speaker 1: out mathematically. Walmart has a hundred and fifty six major

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Speaker 1: distribution centers, including six crisis distribution centers. Corox, to proct

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Speaker 1: and Gamble only have one a few to five on

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Speaker 1: the supply apply the US. That's completely inexcusable and as

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Speaker 1: one of my mentors, Phil Robinson, who was director manufacturing

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Speaker 1: for P and G, cautioned the company about doing this,

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Speaker 1: but it really got got to be greed. And by

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Speaker 1: and distribution, they created a crisis which exacerbates public safety

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Speaker 1: the retailers are telling me that, uh see years they

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Speaker 1: monitor that situation. Burt. We've had a lot of the

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Speaker 1: big retailers report this week and today. What are some

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Speaker 1: you don't get good results. Costco which pays very well. Walmart,

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Speaker 1: They have higher retention and so uh Walmart is able

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Speaker 1: of that retention, A lot of that's investing in working

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Speaker 1: saying UH Walt Walmart had an out of control of

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Speaker 1: Vonnie's homeland in Ireland, UH Small, Scotland and England. Walmart's

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Speaker 1: learning from the mistakes it made in in UM, the

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Speaker 1: EU and in the UK with ASDA and UH divested,

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Speaker 1: please sorry, I have a mask on bankrupt sees. How

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Speaker 1: many do we see between now at the end of

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Speaker 1: And with the bankruptcys and with with Covid and the shutdowns,

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Speaker 1: well as Amazon and the hard discounts like all the

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Speaker 1: illegal really capitalized, while the independence and their suppliers are

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Speaker 1: still getting squeezed Birt, thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: As always, we appreciate your thoughts and insight into the

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Speaker 1: retail space. Bert Flickinger, Managing Director, Strategic Resource a Group,

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Speaker 1: and it is Vanni. It's just frustrating to see some

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Speaker 1: up inventories throughout the supply chain and anticipation of the

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Speaker 1: second wave, which everyone certainly has been expecting. But we'll

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Speaker 1: have to see how this plays out. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Markets with Bonnie Quinn and Paul Sweeney on Bloomberg Radio. Well.

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Speaker 1: One of the fastest growing areas in the investment world

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Speaker 1: over the last couple of years have been exchange traded

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Speaker 1: funds or e t fs. Ben Slaven, global head of

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Speaker 1: et F s and Assets Servicing at B and Y Melon,

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Speaker 1: and they work with fifty three issuers, so they know

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Speaker 1: what they're talking about when it comes to e t s. Ben,

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Speaker 1: E t s have shown remarkable resiliency this year. Investor

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Speaker 1: that growth has also shown remarkable resiliency. Where are they

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Speaker 1: strong flows across the board UM this year. Specifically, we've

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Speaker 1: Commodity specifically gold are also having a very strong year UM.

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Speaker 1: the adoption of ets Certainly fees, et f s are

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Speaker 1: lower cost across the board compared to other structures. Tax efficiency, transparency,

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Speaker 1: So so they could extend out the maturities um. The

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Speaker 1: another trillion dollars of long term securities. Hey, Eira, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Really appreciate our Jersey chief

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Speaker 1: he was interest rate strategist for Bloomberg. Can tell just

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