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Speaker 2: Heads up, this story has a few curse words coming out. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I have a couple of rapid fire questions for you,

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Speaker 2: Nati Paluso is an Argentinian born singer, rapper, and poet,

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Speaker 2: and she's looking to chart new territory on who gets

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Speaker 2: to choose how women Behave you see? Nati moved to

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Speaker 2: Spain with her family as a young girl, where she

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Speaker 2: landed in a community of immigrants just like her, and

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Speaker 2: this ended up shaping her views of music and of

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Speaker 2: the world. Nati started her career by writing poems for

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Speaker 2: tourists in the streets of Madrid, and that poetry gave

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Speaker 2: way to rap sangolos. In twenty twenty one, her breakthrough

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Speaker 2: album Calambre won Best Alternative Music Album at the Latin Grammys.

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Speaker 1: Gafriola Zula.

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Speaker 2: Nati has collaborated with some pretty heavy hitters like Carol

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Speaker 2: g and Bisa.

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Speaker 1: Mira Mitrukteino.

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Speaker 2: Most recently, she worked with Tokisha and with the one

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Speaker 2: and only Floria Stefan not His latest release, Malta, is

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Speaker 2: a six track EP of salsa music. It's an ode

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Speaker 2: to perto rico and to the salcettos of the pastora

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Speaker 2: from media, It's Latino USA. I'm Maria Josa Today Nati

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Speaker 2: Beluso and her words to live by. We're going to

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Speaker 2: talk about the importance of taking risks and how Nati

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Speaker 2: The key, she says, is to do things with love

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Speaker 2: and respect. Nati Peluso, Welcome to Latino USA.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing.

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Speaker 1: It's It's a morning in New York city. I'm having

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Speaker 1: real fun. Honestly, what's going on? What do you Because

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Speaker 1: I'm leaving my best moment. I think I'm really grateful

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Speaker 1: to be here promoting this project in this big city

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Speaker 1: with all these opportunities, Like I don't take this for granted,

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Speaker 1: and I'm really like every day appreciating these opportunities.

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Speaker 2: I love the fact that you're like, I'm surrounded by

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Speaker 2: all of this love as I'm dropping this project because

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Speaker 2: the name of the project is my port Excite, which

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Speaker 2: means badly behaved women. But you're like, but I'm surrounded

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Speaker 2: by so much love.

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Speaker 1: Ah, Yes, that's how we do it. That's how mohere

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Speaker 1: somos no, Like, we really like have layers. And I

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Speaker 1: think my porta I'm talking about bad behavior, but in

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Speaker 1: a respectful way, is the way you go through your

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Speaker 1: experience being yourself, not paying attention of what you should

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Speaker 1: do or they want you to do. Podcast my porta,

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Speaker 1: my porta being a woman, it means being bad behavior

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Speaker 1: because if you do what you want to do, everyone

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Speaker 1: is gonna be disappointed because it's always you should be

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Speaker 1: From my experience, it's always like what I really want

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Speaker 1: or what I really need to do? Is always not

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Speaker 1: the right thing to do for the industry, for the crowds.

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Speaker 2: Seven, we gotta go back to the beginnings. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: when Osires is not a hobbed for mereengeir or reggaeton

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Speaker 2: or alsa. You moved to Spain.

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Speaker 3: I was in alt Okay, so you moved to Alikante

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Speaker 3: in Spain also not a hotbed of salsa, reggaeton, mereng

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Speaker 1: Moved in a moment of a world that everybody was

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Speaker 1: moving to Europe because crisis. And I think I learned

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Speaker 1: that in a neighborhood it was Dorribeja deep deep Alikhan

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Speaker 1: like all this culture were traveling together, Ukrainian, Equadorian, Peruvian, Colombian,

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Speaker 1: also Puerto Rican. All this culture were like together. In

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Speaker 2: So if the crisis in Argentina hadn't happened, and a

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Speaker 2: world wide crisis hadn't happened, and you hadn't had to

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Speaker 2: immigrant kids from Latin America and the rest of the world.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Nati would not be the performer that you are today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Probably. I was just born with a gift, as all

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Speaker 1: of us. We just have to pay attention of what

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Speaker 1: gift we have and work for it to make it

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Speaker 1: the biggest as possible. So I think it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: where Jew magriere. The thing is, I was ready to communicate.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to be famous. I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: be I was not expecting nothing. I was studying for

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Speaker 1: being a theater teacher. So I can't like pass you

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Speaker 1: what I feel because I have something really strong in myself.

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Speaker 1: I want to give it to you so we can

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Speaker 1: share together and communicate together art. So you were not

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Speaker 1: because you know to be an artist, you know this,

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Speaker 1: you have to have ingrand Ego right, and you have

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Speaker 1: to really fight for yourself. So I love the fact

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Speaker 1: that you're like No, I was a teacher. I was

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Speaker 1: never thinking of being on stage and all of a sudden, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was not in my mind like you imagine like

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Speaker 1: a stadium. Are you being famous? Also, I was writing

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Speaker 1: poetry in the streets. Oh my god, I love this story.

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Speaker 1: Is so sweet to me.

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Speaker 2: The fact that Nati Pluso was at one point making

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Speaker 2: to write poems for tourists or people in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the day, and nobody said, Nati does Loka, Please

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Speaker 2: don't don't go in the middle of the street and

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Speaker 2: start writing poetry.

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Speaker 1: And no, no, no, All my friends, my family, they

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Speaker 1: were so supportive. They were like, proud of it. We

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Speaker 1: are giving people words, concepts, we are creating something. We

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Speaker 1: are giving people love, we're sharing stories. Because they were

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Speaker 1: coming asking for proper things, like my father is sick,

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Speaker 1: I won't give him beautiful words to him like a present,

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Speaker 1: or maybe I'm in love, I'm feeling this, and they

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Speaker 1: the world. So it was like really constructive and really

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Speaker 1: like I learned how to write first. So then I

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Speaker 1: start rapping because of that, because I was in love

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Speaker 1: with rap, and because I was writing songs about melodic songs.

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Speaker 1: When I start writing poetry, you start like paying attention,

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Speaker 1: like the rhythm. So I was building up something like

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Speaker 4: Gonbelero, peta gasolina paruero pro.

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Speaker 1: Is the I'm so proud that I went through the

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Speaker 1: and because my dad and my mom decided to move,

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Speaker 1: and because you know, everything is for a reason, so

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Speaker 1: you have to be open. I'm conscious about everything you

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Speaker 1: feel you have to do. Just all of that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're in New York City, the home of

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Speaker 2: rapping hip hop, the boogie down Bronx. Okay, Latinos Puerto

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Speaker 2: Ricans central to that. But you know, the criticism around

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Speaker 2: rap and hip hop is that it's not really friendly

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Speaker 2: to women. Oh yes, definitely, but you're like, but the

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Speaker 2: world is not. Thank you for reminding us the world

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Speaker 2: is not friendly to women in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: We waiting for that. We are.

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Speaker 2: But then what drew you to a medium that was

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Speaker 2: not necessarily feminist welcoming? And you're like, boy said mask ConA.

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Speaker 1: Yes, for sure. If you don't want me, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be there for you to notice. Honestly, it was the attitude,

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Speaker 1: first of all, because I have like a really strong attitude.

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Speaker 1: So it was calling me I discovery rap because of

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Speaker 1: Biggie A couple of tell your friend the way he

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Speaker 1: was drubbing, like butter really strong but soft, and I

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Speaker 1: started listening to Bots and Klan. Obviously doctor dread of

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Speaker 1: my game. I never thought it was not for me

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Speaker 1: because I was a woman.

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Speaker 2: It was not a thought in your song business woman,

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Speaker 2: business in a business I did not come to make

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Speaker 2: your bed, Mahina. And you're saying this. Your lyrics are

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Speaker 2: clearly yeah that one. You're just like and so why

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Speaker 2: On the one hand, you're like, there's no limits, I

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Speaker 2: can do whatever. But on the other hand, in certain lyrics,

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Speaker 2: didn't come here to make your bed, bro. When we

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Speaker 2: come back, find out what not the Beluso came here

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Speaker 2: to do as a business woman in a business world.

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Speaker 1: I started to really be aware and understanding the power

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Speaker 1: we have as a woman in artists, as a woman

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Speaker 1: with a message.

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Speaker 2: Stay with us, yes, hey, we're back. And right before

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Speaker 2: the break not the Beluso was telling us about finding

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Speaker 2: with her lyrics for her song Businesswoman. Let's jump back

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Speaker 2: to our conversation.

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Speaker 1: I was in a moment discovering feminism and the power

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Speaker 1: that I was handling. I just went to Argentina to

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Speaker 1: giving me such a power. So I realized this discourse.

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Speaker 1: with a message. So it was really natural. Business woman

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Speaker 1: was like I dropped my thoughts in a paper like straight.

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Speaker 1: I think salsa has many in common with hip hop attitude, bars, punchlines, characters.

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Speaker 1: They're fronting.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: CLSA is about fronting most of the time. Some other

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Speaker 1: times it's more like the r and becomespt like more romantic.

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Speaker 1: Now you have like these two side one ID is

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Speaker 1: like the joyful celebrating party Celia Cruz, life is beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Then you have the romantic like more Frankie Ruiz, I

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Speaker 1: can't live without you. I need your sex, I need

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Speaker 1: your but in Rapps I need your pussy is almost

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Speaker 1: the same. You know, they're talking with different words, but

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Speaker 1: and then you have the virus like Juanita Imania. They're fronting,

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Speaker 1: they're talking about the hood, about the dangerous things, about

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Speaker 1: the violence. So I think maybe it was natural for

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Speaker 1: me to understand the salsa environment and the salsa concept

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Speaker 1: because I was so into rap and.

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Speaker 2: You're outside of it, so you don't see the boundary

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Speaker 2: between rap and salsa.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's why it was really natural and organic. Also,

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Speaker 1: I realized when I am I was young, my mother

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Speaker 1: was playing Almac Stephan who was not salsa, like really

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Speaker 1: tropical something. That album is really exquiste Benzer. I know

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Speaker 1: these arrangements like in my memories, the flutes, the percussion, everything,

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Speaker 1: I know, the harmonies. I really studied the album, so

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Speaker 1: it means like I was really called by the tropical song.

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Speaker 1: And then after that, when I started like being common independiente,

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Speaker 1: I went to a vinyl shop and I bought Reoyls

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Speaker 1: just because of cover. Okay, they were amazing. The Superman one,

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Speaker 1: I know, I felt love with him first salsetto in

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Speaker 1: my life, before Ector, before Frankie, before Ruben, before everyone.

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Speaker 1: So I discovered the salsa through percussion. But melomana, how

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Speaker 1: you say this in English? Melomana significant is Melomana is

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Speaker 1: And I was in Chile to ring. I was missing someone,

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Speaker 1: And then we moved to Puerto Rico. We stayed one

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more from Nati Peluso.

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Speaker 4: Yes, basso, yeah, school felicita.

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Speaker 1: Hey we're back.

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Speaker 2: Let's wrap up my conversation with the One and Only

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Speaker 2: Nati Peluso. So Gloria Stephan has come up a couple

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Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, for sure, Queen the Queen.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I also know that you have this incredible surprise

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Honestly, it means a lot, like a

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Speaker 2: You're a very spiritual person too, so to be next

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Speaker 1: Yeah, strong woman, strong woman who kind of paved the way. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean I love the fact that you're like, nothing

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Speaker 1: It's a blessing, and honestly it surprised me because I

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Speaker 2: You actually collaborate with a lot of pretty incredible artists.

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Speaker 1: Could not on the opposite end. Yeah, that's crazy. But

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Speaker 1: Now? We are not that far away from the past,

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Speaker 1: you don't choose, what you prefer, educate yourself and don't

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Speaker 2: But we have to go there, often going to the

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Speaker 2: what do you say to the little Nati who is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you say to these little girls? I

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Speaker 1: So if you train this, you get used to It

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Speaker 1: can sound like I'm a hippie alone. No, don't get confused.

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Speaker 1: This is a special power we have. I would say,

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Speaker 1: to suffer, you have to break your back. Always study,

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Speaker 1: always get better. Be kind in the process. Compassion is

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Speaker 1: you are the best. You can sing better, you can

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Speaker 1: dance better. You can be a better woman, be a

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Speaker 1: better daughter, be a better everything. Maybe it's not happening

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Speaker 2: Better to have tried than to have just wanted to

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Speaker 2: meet it trying.

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Speaker 1: What if?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: No? No? What if? What are you going to go?

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Speaker 1: Go for it? Go for it?

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Speaker 4: Confiarience horness because a particle are.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for speaking with me. It was

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Speaker 1: a pleasure. It's a bye pleasure.

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Speaker 4: Noodo solo Colnadalamlo p.

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Speaker 2: That was artist Nati Peluso. Her new EP, Malportada is

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Speaker 2: out now.

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