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Speaker 2: Give me some job.

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Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: Let's welcome to another edition of the Giants Litle Podcast.

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Speaker 2: John Shvelch shon o'howar with you. It's all brought to

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Speaker 2: you by Citizens, the official bank of the New York

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Speaker 2: Football Giants. We're back on track. You look revitalized after

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Speaker 2: a bye week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, got a little jazz, got a little pep in

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Speaker 1: our step here. It's amazing what a little time off

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Speaker 1: will do for everybody. The spirits are up.

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Speaker 2: You can feel the straight win setting into the bizone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. We're on a heater, yes, yeah, like NBA jam heat.

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Speaker 1: They're heating up.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well we don't. We're recording this before Brian

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Speaker 2: dables press conference on Tuesday, so if word comes out

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Speaker 2: after this gets posted, we apologize. What do you think

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Speaker 2: they're doing a quarterback this week? Why don't we start there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Great question, I think if I'm Brian Dable, I

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Speaker 1: don't have to make the decision right now? Why would I?

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Speaker 2: And I would be shocked if he said anything other

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Speaker 2: than we'll.

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Speaker 1: See even if you knew right now that Tyrod Taylor

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Speaker 1: was going to be your starting quarterback? Why announce it

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Speaker 1: to the world, like, there's no there's no benefit to

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Speaker 1: announcing it until you have to, And I don't even

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Speaker 1: know if he has to, you know, I think the

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Speaker 1: other key is because the Giants, you know, obviously coming

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Speaker 1: off the bye week here you have a little extra time,

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Speaker 1: but they're also playing on Monday nights, so almost have

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Speaker 1: an extra day of practice. Let him get through a

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Speaker 1: couple of practices and let him, you know, let's figure out, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, how is he is there any russ what's

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Speaker 1: going on? I doubt there will be any limitations throwing wise,

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Speaker 1: but I think from a gamesman ship standpoint, no doubt

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Speaker 1: for when you have two quarterbacks and they're both splitting reps.

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Speaker 1: You know, it is hard to really say as a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: all right, I'm leading this team this week, and you

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Speaker 1: do want to let that guy know sooner than later

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Speaker 1: in the week so that he can kind of just say, look,

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Speaker 1: give me all the reps, give me all the reps

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Speaker 1: and ones I want to get as many reps with

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Speaker 1: these route combinations and protections and against this green by

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Speaker 2: I think it's an interesting decision because if you take

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Speaker 2: everything out of it and just boil down to the

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Speaker 2: simple fact of which is the better quarterback that gives

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Speaker 2: us the best chance to win if he's healthy, it's

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Speaker 2: hard to argue that it's not Tyron Taylor. If it is,

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Speaker 2: and what he's done, even what he did this year,

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Speaker 2: what he's done in the past, that's your answer. But

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Speaker 2: it's more complicated than that. Right Tommy Divido has won

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Speaker 2: too straight. The locker room likes him there behind him.

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Speaker 2: He has some charisma to him, So I want you

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Speaker 2: to give me the player perspective. Here from the locker room.

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Speaker 2: Are the players saying, well, look, we know Tyrod's really good.

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Speaker 2: He should be in there. He's a vet. We trust him.

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Speaker 2: Or the player saying now we're rolling. We won two straight.

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Speaker 2: Tommy's playing well, He's earned this, he deserves it. We

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Speaker 2: want to play for Tommy because of the way he's

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Speaker 2: played the last two weeks. It wasn't perfect, but we

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Speaker 2: do you think that plays into this and what do

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great question. And if I'm the starting

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Speaker 1: center for the Giants right now, give me Tyrod Taylor.

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Speaker 1: You know, for a number of different reasons, but number

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Speaker 1: Tommy DeVito's got, you know, just a few games, so

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Speaker 1: If you call that playing hold on you come up,

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Speaker 1: Right now, right So I think that's a part of

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Speaker 1: So I think that adds to the level of Look,

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Speaker 1: That's really the one key that they're probably looking at

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Speaker 2: Is there a group of players in that locker room though,

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Speaker 1: Look, Tyrod Taylor's won a playoff game in that league.

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Speaker 1: You know, He's won a lot of games in the league,

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Speaker 1: Who gives us the best opportunity? I think that's Tyrod.

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Speaker 2: This Packers team is pretty good now, you know, it

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Speaker 2: took them a while to get here, but that shouldn't

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Speaker 2: be a surprise. Jordan Love, even though he's been in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they do. And I think Jordan Love has been

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Speaker 2: And we'll see playing this week.

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Speaker 1: By the way, he active, and Aaron Jones has been

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Speaker 1: But I think when you look at this offense, they

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Speaker 1: got that relationship now where it's kind of like, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, you mentioned Rashaun Gary, Kenny Clark,

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Speaker 1: And Ray Shaw. Gary's gonna be he's gonna be all

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Speaker 2: dot com. All Right, Joan Joe Shane had has kind

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Speaker 2: of State of the Union address for lack of a

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Speaker 2: The more important answer he gave was a little bit

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Speaker 2: later on when they said, well, would you consider drafting

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Speaker 2: So to the point that I'm trying to make, much

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Joe could have started the press off

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm with you in terms of that calculation,

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Speaker 2: and we'll see what the Giants do when they eventually

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Speaker 2: do get to the draft. Another thing you talked about

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Speaker 2: was Evan Neil. He said, most importantly has to play better,

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Speaker 2: something we've said on this podcast many times. Then he

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Speaker 2: was as on moving him into guard, and he said,

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Speaker 2: I don't think I'm there yet and went back Washington

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Speaker 2: at Alabama. Thought he was good. Your thought on kind

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Speaker 2: of what the plan should be for Evan Neil moving forward,

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Speaker 2: how you handle him and is moving into guard you

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Speaker 2: think a real option? You know, there are some really

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Speaker 2: good tackles in this draft. It's a great tackle class.

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Speaker 2: So how do you kind of view what Joe said

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Speaker 2: about Neil and how you would kind of handle his

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Speaker 2: development here moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you've got a piece of furniture in your

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Speaker 1: family room that is just like it's not working. You

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Speaker 1: got a recliner chair, Like moving it to the other

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Speaker 1: side of the room, is it going to fix the chair? Like,

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Speaker 1: you got to fix what's wrong and what right right now?

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Speaker 1: What's wrong is Evan Neil's technique, And so it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter if you move him to guard. It's not it's

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Speaker 1: not gonna change. He needs to play better and he

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Speaker 1: can play better. And I think the big thing for

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Speaker 1: Evan Neil is.

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Speaker 2: And he did play well with Alabama, Josian said, look back,

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Speaker 2: I looked at the tab was good he did, and

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Speaker 2: it was.

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Speaker 1: I think the one thing that jumped out when I

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Speaker 1: watched film with him in Alabama was.

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Speaker 2: He was on the ground a lot, especially in the

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Speaker 2: one game, and.

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Speaker 1: That's something that you can't like, you have to fix.

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Speaker 1: You cannot win in the game in this game if

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Speaker 1: you're on the ground. And I think that's something that

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Speaker 1: he needs to get better at. That's an Evan Neil thing, like,

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Speaker 1: it's not he's strong enough, he's big enough, he's quick enough,

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Speaker 1: he's athletic enough, He's got all the tools. He just

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Speaker 1: hasn't put it all together. I will also remind people

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Speaker 1: that Andrew Thomas struggled in his second year too. He

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Speaker 1: didn't really start to balance out until his third year,

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Speaker 1: so it does take time. He was a young guy.

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Speaker 1: I think when you look at the fact that Evan

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Speaker 1: Neil has been banged up a little bit this year,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't help the technique. But it's all about mastering

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Speaker 1: your craft, and he is not there yet. He hasn't

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Speaker 1: mastered it. Do I think he can get there? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Do I think he's still a tackle, Yes I do.

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Speaker 1: I think he's got the length. I think he's got

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Speaker 1: the power, and I think he can handle that load, no.

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Speaker 2: Question about it. Here one more thing on moving forward

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Speaker 2: to or Sewan and this now I kind of look

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Speaker 2: at it. Next year, you're trying to build a complete team.

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Speaker 2: I get all that. Why I look at it. Most

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Speaker 2: of your resources this would have to go into the offense.

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Speaker 2: I'm tired of looking at thirteen points a game, eighteen

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Speaker 2: points a game, nineteen points per game. Whether it's the

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Speaker 2: guard position, whether it's wide receiver, whatever you want to improve,

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Speaker 2: I'm hey, if the defense even takes a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a step back, I can live with that. I

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Speaker 2: need to see this offense function at a high level

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Speaker 2: from over the quarterback ends up being and we think

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be Daniel. That's where my resources have to

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Speaker 2: go this offseason. That's what I would prioritize. Whether it's

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Speaker 2: free agency or the draft or both. That to me

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Speaker 2: is now you have to commit to this right like

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Speaker 2: last year, they didn't have a ton of resources. The

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Speaker 2: year before, they had no resources, But now it's time.

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Speaker 2: It's a good offensive draft class. You can find guys

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Speaker 2: in free agency. You gotta put higher quality, more talented

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Speaker 2: pieces together on the offensive side of the ball to

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Speaker 2: try to finally make this unit work next year. That's

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Speaker 2: how I see it least.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Giants gotta find way to score in this league.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you just watched Jake Browning, you know, on

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Speaker 1: Monday Night football throw for three hundred fifty yards with

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Speaker 1: the re touchdowns and they just scored what thirty four points.

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Speaker 1: It's a points league. Every other team in the league

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Speaker 1: is scoring points. The Giants need to find a way

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Speaker 1: to get points on the board, and they got to score.

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Speaker 1: And I agree with that. I think you've got to

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Speaker 1: add offensive weapons. If you added a top I mean,

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Speaker 1: if they were able to get Marvin Harrison junior, you

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Speaker 1: get a.

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Speaker 2: Guy like that. We even sign a Brandon Ayuku might

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Speaker 2: be a free agent, right.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have an opportunity to get guys like that.

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Speaker 1: But you bring somebody like that, a playmaker like that,

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Speaker 1: to the team, it adds instant offense. And that's exactly

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Speaker 1: what you need to surround Dan Jones with Listen, this

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Speaker 1: team is better offensively than they were last year, and

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Speaker 1: last year they made it to the playoff game, won

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Speaker 1: a playoff game on the road, and I think that

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Speaker 1: this offense had a chance to be better. Obviously, Darren

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Speaker 1: wallers out as well. That hurts the offense. But not

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Speaker 1: being able to score points, there's no excuse for that.

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Speaker 1: And I totally agree with invest capital in somebody that's

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Speaker 1: going to help you score points right now.

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Speaker 2: See, this is why I did my warning at the

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Speaker 2: start of the show that we were recording this before

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Speaker 2: Brian Dables press conference. Who do you think is the

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Speaker 2: starting quarterback on Monday? Brian Dable just told us who

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Speaker 2: do you think it is?

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Speaker 1: I think I don't know. I think he likes to eat.

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Speaker 2: He may go the little this chicken cutors for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Tommy DeVito will be starting on Monday Night Football, Brian.

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Speaker 2: They will made the announcement about eight minutes ago, courtesy

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Speaker 2: of Paul Latino's Twitter feed. Wow, all right, all right,

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Speaker 2: so let's rewind now, so your thoughts on the decision

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Speaker 2: to bake Thevito this daughter, and then we'll wrap things up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I love this happens at so I just

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Speaker 1: went on this this soabuchs thing about give me the veteran,

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Speaker 1: give me a you know what. I think this is

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Speaker 1: awesome for Tommy DeVito, like the fact that not only

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Speaker 1: did he just win two football games for the Giants,

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Speaker 1: but he won over the coaches too, And basically they're saying,

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Speaker 1: this gives us the best chance to win right now.

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Speaker 1: And I think what he's saying is, you know the

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Speaker 1: rhythm right now, that the offense has the confidence they

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Speaker 1: have right now.

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Speaker 2: And his quote, by the way, Tommy earned the right

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Speaker 2: to play.

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Speaker 1: Right So I think that that's that's huge. And you know,

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Speaker 1: look if if he struggles, you know, you you have

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Speaker 1: Tyrod now to insert in if something happens with Tommy,

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Speaker 1: and you know, look if he all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you know, starts out the game and is not things

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Speaker 1: aren't going well, all right, Look we got somebody that

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Speaker 1: can come in there and stabilize things.

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Speaker 2: And I think you hit it. I think it's easier

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Speaker 2: to go from the Veto to Taylor if you start

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Speaker 2: the Vito then to go from Taylor to the Veto

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Speaker 2: if you start you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and I think the trust that they

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Speaker 1: have shown by announcing that, especially this earlier the week,

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Speaker 1: is that look, Tommy can handle us, and look he's

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Speaker 1: made some big time throws even with a dirty pocket.

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Speaker 1: He's shown the ability to, hey, I'm gonna let it fly,

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Speaker 1: and that's what you want. I think his ability to

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Speaker 1: kind of process some things every week it's gotten better.

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Speaker 1: Every week, it's gotten quicker. So the fact that he's

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Speaker 1: had a little extra time with the bye week to

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Speaker 1: kind of go back and look at some things and

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Speaker 1: maybe even refine some things, improve on some things mentally,

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Speaker 1: look at mechanics are there. The kid's tough and I

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Speaker 1: think the juice that he's bringing right now to the offense,

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Speaker 1: it's tangible. And for Brianda able to give him that opportunity,

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Speaker 1: you know, I know he said he earned it, which

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Speaker 1: I think Giants fans would agree with that.

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Speaker 2: And the end Now you got both sides of the argument,

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Speaker 2: and we'll see what the Giants end up. You know,

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Speaker 2: if they stick with Tommy the whole game, if he struggles,

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Speaker 2: is Tyrod get an opportunity wol have to see. But

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Speaker 2: Tommy DeVito again starting for the Giants on Monday Night football,

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Speaker 2: you know, This is Jersey karma for you not supporting

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Speaker 2: the Jersey guy out right at the start of the show.

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Speaker 2: This is like the new Jersey Juju coming to get

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Speaker 2: you for betraying a Jersey guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's gonna be a Jersey guy coming after

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Speaker 1: Tommy DeVito too, and so the fist bumps better be

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Speaker 1: all on our side.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. My Bad Giason podcast brought to you by

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Speaker 2: Citizens the Official Bank of the Giants for Showtohara. I'm

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Speaker 2: John Schmelck. We'll see you next time. Everybody,