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Speaker 1: The Thread is a new hit podcast from Ozzy Media

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Speaker 1: that explores history surprising connections in order to discover how

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Speaker 1: one thing leads to another, like how movie moguls in

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Speaker 1: early Hollywood helps spark the me Too movement. Today, get

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Speaker 1: it on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen. Now

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Speaker 1: here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio and welcome back Joshua P. Warren internationally recognized

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Speaker 1: as an expert on the mysterious and fair or normal phenomena.

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Speaker 1: His latest book is called Finding Your Magic, and Joshua's story,

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Speaker 1: of course, has gone all around this planet about a

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Speaker 1: time warp. Did you expect to get that kind of coverage,

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Speaker 1: josh No, I really didn't. I mean, I felt that

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Speaker 1: if I found something interesting that maybe it would get

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Speaker 1: picked up by some of the unusual news outlets and

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Speaker 1: it would be a great thing to talk about on

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Speaker 1: Coast to coast a m But I never imagined that

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Speaker 1: within seven days it would be in newsweek and inside editions,

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Speaker 1: run through a port picked it up there everywhere. It

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Speaker 1: was amazing. China, Russia. I mean, it's it's like I

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Speaker 1: have gotten very little sleep over the past week. All

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Speaker 1: hours of the day. People are wanting to know about this.

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Speaker 1: So this has really struck a nerve. Are you getting

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Speaker 1: media calls to them? Absolutely? I mean I honestly, I

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Speaker 1: can't accommodate everything. And and you know, the funny thing is,

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Speaker 1: the very first time I even hinted that I was

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Speaker 1: going to do this investigation and experiment was here on

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Speaker 1: Coast to Coast a m uh and and at that

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Speaker 1: time I came on and I didn't even say what

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Speaker 1: I was going to do exactly. I said, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to go out into the desert and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: take some measurements with the meter. And then I kind

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Speaker 1: of left it at that. And so I'm happy to

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Speaker 1: say that the Coast listeners got the first sneak peak.

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Speaker 1: But who knew that it was going to explode like this.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the beginning. How did you find this

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Speaker 1: time war? How did you even know where to go? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I now live part time in Las Vegas,

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Speaker 1: and for a while I've been looking for a good

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Speaker 1: reason to go to Area fifty one. I'd never been

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Speaker 1: to Area fifty one. Uh, And of course, uh, everybody

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Speaker 1: It's not some kind of tourist attraction, even though they

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Speaker 1: so um, I I've been, you know, looking for a

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Speaker 1: good opportunity to go there. And that's when I was contacted,

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Speaker 1: of course, by the Silicon Valley engineer that I alluded

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Speaker 1: to before on Coast. His name is Ronald Heath, and uh,

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Speaker 1: he has a pretty impressive track record of creating all

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Speaker 1: fascinated with the possibility that UFO technology might be able

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Speaker 1: to somehow manipulate gravity, which would change the flow of time.

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Speaker 1: And and it really goes back to that episode he

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Speaker 1: episode where Molder takes a stopwatch and puts it by

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Speaker 1: comparing those two points. Well, there's no reason that there

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Speaker 1: Turns out, George, everything around area fifty one was normal.

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Speaker 1: So is that a coincidence or is the first step

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Speaker 1: kinds of time warps. Well, it's interesting that you bring

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Speaker 1: things that inspired my entire career. Before I was born,

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Speaker 1: Do you ever get cases of deja vaux or spells yourself? I?

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Speaker 1: I do, I do, And I'm glad that you bring

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Speaker 1: time slip because you know, it's one thing, George, for

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Speaker 1: somebody to see an apparition standing in a room. It's

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Speaker 1: another thing when the whole room looks different, the whole

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