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Speaker 1: roll call in h yeah, in in great, He's gotta
Speaker 1: figure it out. I'm here, I'm here here President Chicago Heights.
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Speaker 1: you know we're onto Jacksonville, I think. Yeah. Cowboys back
Speaker 1: to practice in a couple hours, getting set for Sunday's
Speaker 1: home game against the Jags. And it's time for us
Speaker 1: to start turning the page as well a little bit
Speaker 1: we can continue talking. Are going to be different from
Speaker 1: everybody else. Uh probably not, probably not completely one has
Speaker 1: turned the page yet. Well, it's hard to turn the
Speaker 1: page on It's Wednesday, right, it is Wednesday. You should
Speaker 1: turn the page and Garrett's still getting roasted. Well, it's
Speaker 1: a tough loss, Mick, and that was a tough call
Speaker 1: to make. And we broke that one down pretty good.
Speaker 1: We got we got roasted, each roasted each other. Sure, sure,
Speaker 1: but that's you know, that's part of the fun of it.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to have their say. Now that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true, and that's what our society. Yes, and that's
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Speaker 1: hour if you'd like. As I said, cowboys, get packed
Speaker 1: to practice today here at the Star and let's just
Speaker 1: lead it off, Mick. You got any any nugs, any
Speaker 1: nug gets coming up with practice. It's a beautiful day.
Speaker 1: It is a beautiful day. The rats Hurricane Mike doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to be moving this way. That's sure headed towards Florida. Okay,
Speaker 1: we got the weather report. Good there, that was my nugget.
Speaker 1: That was your negga for the day. You know, it'll
Speaker 1: be interested to see how we how things play out
Speaker 1: with the David Irvin situation. Yeah, will he be back
Speaker 1: in action. Uh, you know, we'll see how that all
Speaker 1: plays out. Hopefully he's got all his off the field
Speaker 1: stuff with his family taken care of, and that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys can now focus in on having him play really
Speaker 1: the next ten weeks. You know, I mean it, you
Speaker 1: had to endure a suspension, you did that. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: this guy is an incredible player. And I think one day,
Speaker 1: when Mickey Spagnola writes a book about all this, one
Speaker 1: of these chapters will be about players that had this
Speaker 1: tremendous potential and you only saw him for only just
Speaker 1: a bit of a glimpse of you know, and I
Speaker 1: think David Irvan is one of those guys. This team
Speaker 1: has a great history of players that have come through
Speaker 1: and then you wonder why what happened? How did that?
Speaker 1: How did that happen? And uh, you know, the David
Speaker 1: Irvan in a contract situation, don't kind of feel don't
Speaker 1: really feel like that when we get the offseason talk
Speaker 1: that David Irvin is going to be in the mix
Speaker 1: for hey have to have this guy, So can you
Speaker 1: capture something from him in you know, in ten games basically?
Speaker 1: You know, So that's always an interesting angle to me.
Speaker 1: I'm interested about Malie Collins coming back. Want to see
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with that defensive tackle rotation if
Speaker 1: he could get back to it, because I talked about
Speaker 1: it yesterday. Really felt like that the defensive tackles being
Speaker 1: under manned played very well in that football game against
Speaker 1: the Texans. They're gonna have some decisions they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to make about that. And you know, will we now
Speaker 1: start to see Bryce Butler. I know I'll call for this.
Speaker 1: I'll call for somebody that can extend. I will call
Speaker 1: for somebody that's a big body that will go get
Speaker 1: the football. I might have to live with all the
Speaker 1: knucklehead plays that you might get from him or things
Speaker 1: that happen in the game, but give me an opportunity
Speaker 1: to get a guy that and I when we get
Speaker 1: into the Jaguars, I believe I'm gonna tell you about
Speaker 1: that this secondary is one of the best you're gonna
Speaker 1: play and they're gonna they're gonna contest every ball you throw,
Speaker 1: and so you need people that are going to be
Speaker 1: able to extend, have guys on their backs, but make plays.
Speaker 1: And that's what's gonna be one of those keys for
Speaker 1: this football game. I've called for that too on Monday.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm also the guy. I'm not saying he's
Speaker 1: the savior, right, I'm just saying maybe something a little different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm also the guy that said been saying for
Speaker 1: weeks I think a couple of us have, you know,
Speaker 1: pare down this rotation. Well, maybe it's time to look
Speaker 1: at something different too. And he's a guy that has
Speaker 1: made plays, not always consistently. That's a big that's a big,
Speaker 1: big question question, and that's and that's consistency. He's been
Speaker 1: a part of this offense that they have to find. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's a big white out three be the biggest
Speaker 1: receiver they have on the team. That's another option. That's
Speaker 1: a guy that Dak has played with and has had
Speaker 1: success with. That's one option. But again, I mean, you
Speaker 1: go back and watch the game the other night, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like the other two road losses. You can't
Speaker 1: look at the receivers and say, oh, it's all their
Speaker 1: fault or not. It's been a it's absolutely like a
Speaker 1: but it's been everything at some point in time during
Speaker 1: out during one of these losses. Yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: they almost paired it down with the wide receivers. This
Speaker 1: last game. I was a little surprised when I saw this.
Speaker 1: The majority of the snaps went to Gallop in Hearns.
Speaker 1: Gallop had forty snaps, Hearns had forty seven, Beasley had
Speaker 1: thirty eight, and Thompson was down to twenty nine and
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin had seven. I'm sorry that was the Detroit game.
Speaker 1: Let me go back. Hearns had thirty eight snaps, Thompson
Speaker 1: thirty six, Butler had one snap. That was the Hail Mary.
Speaker 1: At the end, Gallop only had twenty, so he went
Speaker 1: from forty snaps against Detroit to twenty four. Yeah he's
Speaker 1: got a play. Yeah, you're here for more Bryce Butler,
Speaker 1: Mick No, he's here from Okay, he's here for more Gallop. Which, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're run on Gap, get me gallup, Herns and and Beasley.
Speaker 1: I think you just get him out there. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think you see Herns a lot more because they use
Speaker 1: him in twelve personnel stuff too, used Terrence Williams role.
Speaker 1: So you know, if I'm with Mickey on on on Gallop,
Speaker 1: you know I'm the selfish side of me wants to
Speaker 1: see him succeed. I mean, I just want to give
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott the best opportunity he can to have some success.
Speaker 1: I think that we've I think people out there have
Speaker 1: been overly critical of Dak Prescott, you know, and I
Speaker 1: you know, I maybe it's the people that were laying
Speaker 1: in the weeds, you know, that had to bite their
Speaker 1: tongues a little bit when he came on the scene
Speaker 1: and beloved Tony Romo. And again, I'm not making fun
Speaker 1: of Tony Romo. I'm just saying though there was a
Speaker 1: change there. The organization made a change. They moved on
Speaker 1: from Tony. But you know, I think you have to
Speaker 1: give this quarterback every opportunity that you can for him
Speaker 1: to succeed. It starts with protection, it starts with a
Speaker 1: running game, and it really starts with you know what
Speaker 1: they're able to do passing the game on the outside.
Speaker 1: If he throws a ball that's a tight window throw,
Speaker 1: these guys have got to come up with it for
Speaker 1: you know, and they're not going to come up with
Speaker 1: all of them because these defensive backs are good in
Speaker 1: this league. And again you're about to play a group
Speaker 1: that's really good in the secondary. So anything that you
Speaker 1: can do to help him along the way it just
Speaker 1: feel it's unfortunate that the you know, I watched those
Speaker 1: press conferences every after every game, and there's only one
Speaker 1: man that stands up there and takes all the arrows,
Speaker 1: you know, and and he stands there and then he
Speaker 1: walks off, and he thanks everybody, and he moves on
Speaker 1: and he tries to, you know, pull things together. But
Speaker 1: that's the responsibility of the quarterback here. I just don't
Speaker 1: think his fans and his writers were really fair to
Speaker 1: him as much as we need to be. You came
Speaker 1: in here passionate about that this mon I am. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm tired. I'm tired of I'm tired of fans not
Speaker 1: believing that if you that he is not Brady, he
Speaker 1: is not Manning, He's not these guys the past. He's
Speaker 1: not one of those guys. But if you, if you,
Speaker 1: I would challenge I would challenge any other quarterback other
Speaker 1: than those guys I mentioned to come in or and
Speaker 1: have success with some of the things that are currently
Speaker 1: happening to this offense. I was asked the other day,
Speaker 1: who do you think is a better quarterback, Blake Bortles
Speaker 1: or or Dak Prescott. I think Dak Prescott could actually
Speaker 1: succeed in what's going on in in Jacksonville as a
Speaker 1: opposed of Blake Bortles coming in here and having success. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm a little I'm a little bit
Speaker 1: tired of the narrative that people are just totally blaming
Speaker 1: him for everything and calling him, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: a bag of you know what I just am. I
Speaker 1: just feel like though that you know, there are some
Speaker 1: things that he has, there's some things that he is
Speaker 1: not good at. It's absolutely the truth, but they're things.
Speaker 1: I mean, he laid it out on the line for
Speaker 1: you last week. He did he did everything he could
Speaker 1: to try and win that football game. Spinning out of pressure,
Speaker 1: what doing I mean, Yeah, he is not a perfect quarterback,
Speaker 1: but you know what, if given the opportunity and given
Speaker 1: the weapons around him and giving him the level of play.
Speaker 1: You know, we talk about this offensive line, hang your
Speaker 1: hat on it, it hadn't been a hang your hat
Speaker 1: on an offensive line, Ezeki Olio. The running game got
Speaker 1: shot down last week. You know that's something that can't
Speaker 1: happen when you're a run heavy based team. You know,
Speaker 1: I wrote about it yesterday. I asked, I asked Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett about it. He pointed out the stat unsolicited. Zeke
Speaker 1: had twenty carries in the game, and nine of them
Speaker 1: went for zero or minus. It goes to Mickey's point,
Speaker 1: but he tried to make the other day and he
Speaker 1: was getting hit in the backfield like he did on
Speaker 1: third and one one, the big the you know, the
Speaker 1: big third and one in question. And then he Garrett
Speaker 1: also point out, and he's not putting all the blame
Speaker 1: on the offensive line, but he said, the three worst
Speaker 1: games we played up front have been on the road.
Speaker 1: Communication factors have been a problem. Yeah, And and you know,
Speaker 1: and Garrett will point out it's on coaches, it's on players,
Speaker 1: on everybody offensively, right, But you do have to look
Speaker 1: up front because I'm the one that said in July,
Speaker 1: they're gonna make the playoffs because they drafted Connor Williams.
Speaker 1: They're they're healthy, they're gonna get the development of Lyle
Speaker 1: Collins explaining right tackle. They're gonna saw in Oakland him
Speaker 1: blocking Khalil Mack. Yeah, they're gonna get back to doing
Speaker 1: what they do best. Yeah, and we saw it against
Speaker 1: Detroit and a little against the Giants, but we haven't
Speaker 1: seen it consistently, certainly not. They're two and three. So
Speaker 1: the new darling quarterback in the league is who Baker Mayfield?
Speaker 1: Pat mahomes at homes Yeah, watching that film, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: Kansas City. By the way, Mayfield Good Mayfield and UH
Speaker 1: and Dak have the exact same quarterback rating. But which which, guys?
Speaker 1: Everybody you know, the favorite? So let's see. But there's
Speaker 1: there's no I think the expectations the bar is a
Speaker 1: little lower. Yeah, we're talking to first pick in the draft. No, No,
Speaker 1: you're right, right, right, you're right right, you're right. But
Speaker 1: any anything in Cleveland is it's great. There's still whole Cleveland,
Speaker 1: it's the whole country. Baker Mayfield's the new you know,
Speaker 1: the new flavor of the year. He's Johnny without all
Speaker 1: the baggage, and honestly, you know, and it looks like
Speaker 1: he's played well. But his quarterback rating is eighty one
Speaker 1: point four, right, exactly the same as Dak. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if anybody's making excuses for him. He's only
Speaker 1: got three touchdown passes, he has three interception, Dak has five.
Speaker 1: He's got four deflected passes for interceptions. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: just think we and I appreciate your point, man, here's
Speaker 1: my My other point is that no one changes their
Speaker 1: minds on quarterbacks unless they win a Super Bowl. It's
Speaker 1: like the people that didn't like Tony Romo continued to
Speaker 1: dislike Tony Romo even though he rewrote the record book
Speaker 1: for quarterbacks for the Dallas Cowboys, which has two in
Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame. No one changes their minds.
Speaker 1: So the people that were not in favor of Dak
Speaker 1: taken over for Tony now feel like they have a
Speaker 1: platform to get louder and louder and louder because things
Speaker 1: aren't going as well as they did in twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: and the first eight games of twenty seventeen. And my opinion,
Speaker 1: and you've guys have heard me say this about quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks are like presidents. No one changes their mind on
Speaker 1: who they liked and who they didn't unless the guy
Speaker 1: does something to get impeached. They will defend him to
Speaker 1: the end of the earth, no matter what's happening. And
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with quarterbacks. I kind of agree
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, I'm seeing I do the mail
Speaker 1: bag every morning, and quite frankly, on weeks like this,
Speaker 1: it scares me to open it up better you than me,
Speaker 1: and I did it for ten years. I'm getting yeah,
Speaker 1: mixed mails, bad idea that those were rough at times. Um,
Speaker 1: I get a lot of messages for you know, Brian
Speaker 1: and I to answer in the morning that fans that say, look,
Speaker 1: I love Dak as a leader. He's got a lot
Speaker 1: of great intangibles. He does a lot of things well
Speaker 1: on the field. But you know, there's limitations and there's
Speaker 1: also I think general just dissatisfaction with the offense in general,
Speaker 1: and it goes to the coaching staff and then the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: the guy that has the ball in his hands every time.
Speaker 1: And so I get the overall frustration. But if you
Speaker 1: go back and watch this game last Sunday, Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: was not the main issue here. No, he was. He
Speaker 1: was running for his life a lot. Uh. He had
Speaker 1: to make a lot of throws where he really wasn't set. Um,
Speaker 1: it wasn't perfect by him. He's miss throws. You know, Aikman,
Speaker 1: I trust Troy Aikman's opinion on quarterback play much as anybody.
Speaker 1: He talked about accuracy, anticipation right the other day on
Speaker 1: local radio, Dax's got to get better in those areas.
Speaker 1: He knows that, right, But he's proven that if he
Speaker 1: has help, he can win games in this league. And
Speaker 1: I don't know what what's wrong with saying that a
Speaker 1: quarterback needs help. Yeah, because you you listed Brian like
Speaker 1: three or four guys that are probably all going to
Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame one day. Sure, maybe
Speaker 1: they can get it done without a lot of help,
Speaker 1: but ninety percent of the quarterbacks in this league need
Speaker 1: a nice cast around them. There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1: You would be hard pressed, like I said, to put
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks in this in this offense what's going on
Speaker 1: right now and have success. He really would just with
Speaker 1: you know, the inconsistencies with the line and what they've had,
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think that's been the biggest
Speaker 1: the the I wasn't shocked about the committee part of it,
Speaker 1: because I think we've discussed about having that guy you
Speaker 1: can hang your hat on. I think the biggest shock
Speaker 1: to me has been that that the offensive line has
Speaker 1: not The bar is so high for those guys. You know,
Speaker 1: when when Tyron Smith just plays well, you know that
Speaker 1: that would be you know, they would kill to have
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith in a New York. The Giants, they would
Speaker 1: kill to have him just playing at the level he's
Speaker 1: playing right now. They just cut one of their tackles,
Speaker 1: they fire their starter exactly. That's what I'm saying this.
Speaker 1: You You sometimes you get to a level with with
Speaker 1: these players, what we've seen with the line, and you're
Speaker 1: just so used to such a high level of play,
Speaker 1: and then things don't work out, and people like, should
Speaker 1: we worried about Smith? I go, We've talked about this
Speaker 1: really all year. This is not something new, but the
Speaker 1: bar is so high, and maybe the bar is so
Speaker 1: high for Dak and what he did for his rookie season,
Speaker 1: you know, offensive rookie of the Year, winning thirteen games,
Speaker 1: going toe to toe twice in the season with h
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers, winning a game in Hines Field, winning
Speaker 1: a game at lambeau Field in Kansas City. Yeah, beating
Speaker 1: Kansas City, I mean last year. Yeah, there's there's things
Speaker 1: about this guy, and you're right, I think both you're
Speaker 1: right if you find ways to help him, you know,
Speaker 1: And it's I don't want to say it's just as
Speaker 1: easy as to say play to his strengths, but these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks do need help. There are very few that are rare.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers looks like to me, he doesn't need a
Speaker 1: whole lot of help. He hasn't had a lot of
Speaker 1: help front for a couple of years. That's a rare
Speaker 1: football players. And he's gotten injured because of it too.
Speaker 1: He has gotten hurt because of that. Yeah, absolutely right.
Speaker 1: So you know to me to say to sit there
Speaker 1: and wonder why there's so much hate for dak if you,
Speaker 1: if you you should try and understand what his limitations are,
Speaker 1: not attack him as the player. You should say, Okay,
Speaker 1: the anticipation needs to be better, right, you know, the
Speaker 1: the accuracy needs to be better. You know, look at
Speaker 1: the Look at the difference with and blank Bordles playing
Speaker 1: with Leonard Fournette yea and without four net absolutely just
Speaker 1: go look at it. And their defense has played well
Speaker 1: except for this last game. He doesn't have a running game.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys will not win if Zeke finishes a game
Speaker 1: with fifty four yards. That's that's that's just He's absolutely right,
Speaker 1: write it down. Yeah, and this team is built to
Speaker 1: do that, right, that's what that's the problem. And if
Speaker 1: you're saying, okay, yeah, we have to sling this thing around.
Speaker 1: Mickey's right, you're gonna take an l you know, bortles
Speaker 1: through the ball sixty one times against Kansas City. That's
Speaker 1: a problem. He's the reason why you might have a
Speaker 1: chance in this game, you know, and the rough games
Speaker 1: and people, and that was a first overall pick. Yep,
Speaker 1: you know that. And you think about that that that
Speaker 1: top top three, right is the top three number one
Speaker 1: was right there? Three? Okay, you're right, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he but that was a top pick, right though, doubt
Speaker 1: so to me. You know, look for answers, but don't
Speaker 1: don't have to say, oh, it's this, it's this, it's
Speaker 1: this guy. You know. Yeah, the pitchforks come out after
Speaker 1: a loss, the pitchfork. A lot of kids are looking
Speaker 1: for one guy to blame, and a lot of times,
Speaker 1: as Garrett, and sometimes I feel like I feel like
Speaker 1: it's the folks that were waiting in the weeds after
Speaker 1: a Romo that they had to kind of go away
Speaker 1: because Dak was having some success now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's rest revisionist history, you know. And trust me, I
Speaker 1: always say this. I was on the staff that brought
Speaker 1: Tony Romo here. I thank you know, jim Hess Jim Garrett,
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, Bill Parcels, thank you guys for what you
Speaker 1: did to bring as Tony Romo. You guys deserve a
Speaker 1: lot of credit for that. But you you've got to
Speaker 1: move on. You've got to move on from this and
Speaker 1: trying to bring back you know, trying to bring him
Speaker 1: back is not going to fix your problems for today, right.
Speaker 1: You know, the general manager needs to look at himself
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, have I helped this head coach? Have
Speaker 1: I helped this head coach with enough to win? You know,
Speaker 1: obviously he feels like he has because he said, well,
Speaker 1: I see DAK being a long term in his mind,
Speaker 1: Jerry said. Yesterday he said, Jerry said he felt like
Speaker 1: the DAK right or wrong. That's the general managers the thought.
Speaker 1: So we'll see. But you know, as a general manager,
Speaker 1: he also needs to think about did I make the
Speaker 1: right decision at receiver? Did did we adequately staff? What's
Speaker 1: going on at at at tight end? And it's my
Speaker 1: offensive line really playing to the level that I thought
Speaker 1: they would see and I and I'm tired of hearing,
Speaker 1: especially on not going for fourth and one. You've got
Speaker 1: the best offensive line in the NFL. And you don't
Speaker 1: want to run behind him. Well, let's can that for
Speaker 1: a while, okay, because it's not the best offensive line
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. You don't want to not
Speaker 1: playing to that level right now? Yeah, And that's fair,
Speaker 1: you know. And and God bless Joe Looney, he's not
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick. He is not Sorry, he's playing well for
Speaker 1: Joe Looney. Yeah, but he's not Travis Frederick. And you
Speaker 1: only have two guys out there right now that are
Speaker 1: Pro Bowlers. You don't have three. And and Lele Collins
Speaker 1: was not playing to the level that he was at
Speaker 1: the end of last year. So you know this idea
Speaker 1: that well, that's your bread and butter, this offensive line.
Speaker 1: Watch the game, yeah, watch it. Just trying to figure
Speaker 1: out You got to try and figure out what what
Speaker 1: clues you have. You have to try and figure things out. Sure,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm not I don't think any of
Speaker 1: us here in this room right now or are giving
Speaker 1: the quarterback a pass. But I'm all we get accused
Speaker 1: of that, by the way, And I think that's that's
Speaker 1: what upsets me is I don't mind. I don't mind
Speaker 1: answering folks questions. I really don't that's my job. But
Speaker 1: also I ask you just to give it some thought.
Speaker 1: Give it some thought. If you feel like, hey, that
Speaker 1: that's the only avenue, then I can't help you. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Mickey's right, you voted for a president. I can't change
Speaker 1: your mind. And in some degree they went the route
Speaker 1: they did at wide receiver. And I think even Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones said this on the fan this week. It's like,
Speaker 1: we're into the season now, Yeah, it is what it is.
Speaker 1: We're gonna try to do the best of what we
Speaker 1: can right with it. They're not saying they made a mistake,
Speaker 1: but that's where they are. And it's not one fix.
Speaker 1: And that's a problem when it's not just one thing
Speaker 1: with an offense, you know, the dealing with right now,
Speaker 1: Look what this team did last last year during the
Speaker 1: off season, they went out and they realized that Mickey
Speaker 1: was screaming that they needed better left guard. He was
Speaker 1: absolutely right. What they do they spent resources. They already
Speaker 1: had three Pro Bowl players. But what they do They
Speaker 1: took the fiftieth overall pick and went for a guard,
Speaker 1: and they could have traded that pick for an All
Speaker 1: Pro safety, which they didn't do. They thought it was
Speaker 1: important enough to try and fix or help the offensive line.
Speaker 1: So they went and got a guard to shore that up.
Speaker 1: What's been the narrative all through the long boy, I
Speaker 1: loved I love Sean Lee. I love Sean Lee. I
Speaker 1: love Sean Lee. I love Sean Lee. But Shan Lee's
Speaker 1: always hurt. I can't love Sean Lee when he's always hurt.
Speaker 1: What they do They go out and get Layton vander Esh.
Speaker 1: You know where they could have got a receiver. They
Speaker 1: made a decision that, you know what, it was more
Speaker 1: important to them to go out and get a guy
Speaker 1: that could play when Sean Lee wasn't available. And it
Speaker 1: might be that Laton Vanderish. He might be the guy that,
Speaker 1: you know, god willing just goes on and has his
Speaker 1: tremendous career, a reliable sixteen out of sixteen game career.
Speaker 1: They made a big push, They made a gutsy move
Speaker 1: to go get Jalen Smith. That looks like it's helped
Speaker 1: him as well. So I mean, there's ways to they
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say is I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: look at things and say, you know what, we didn't
Speaker 1: do this very well. We didn't do this very well.
Speaker 1: And we need to address those things. They prove they
Speaker 1: can do that, just need to do it. It's like
Speaker 1: you said, it's in the season. It's a little bit
Speaker 1: harder to do it all right now. That's why maybe
Speaker 1: you need to try and find a way to get
Speaker 1: Bryce Butler involved. Maybe it means, hey, Jeff Swain looks
Speaker 1: like a pretty darn good option throwing the ball down
Speaker 1: the field. To get him more involved some way you can. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are the things you have to do. You remember
Speaker 1: last word for break, Mick. You remember when I got
Speaker 1: sick and tired of me And I think it started
Speaker 1: with the media. First, the narrative about Dak friendly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you love that. Hell is Dax's friendly? Now, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: all I'm gonna say. Oh, it is your Dak friendly.
Speaker 1: That's all they talked about in the off seat. Well,
Speaker 1: we've gotta be more Dak friendly. Well, Dak friendly was
Speaker 1: getting Zeke on the field and protecting him better than
Speaker 1: they did the last eight games of the season. And
Speaker 1: that's and I'll say this before we go to break
Speaker 1: the sensible fans that are frustrating that there are fans
Speaker 1: out there that they're just yeah, it's not everybody but
Speaker 1: it's just there's overall frustration going back to last eight
Speaker 1: games of twenty seventeen and it's carry over into this year,
Speaker 1: and how do we fix it? And and look, they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to We're gonna get into this after the
Speaker 1: break and in the final couple segments, how do they
Speaker 1: manufacture drives yards points against this quality of the defense?
Speaker 1: So let's get to that next when we come back
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Speaker 1: go to the first phone call of the day. Matthew
Speaker 1: in Iowa. You're up first on Talking Cowboys. Man, I
Speaker 1: don't even know where to start this week. It's uh,
Speaker 1: um and Barnet. There's just so many things all on UM.
Speaker 1: I know you guys are you know? There was a
Speaker 1: nice segue because I was going to kind of lead
Speaker 1: into the fact that everybody wants to blame these wide receivers,
Speaker 1: and after watching the twenty two, you know there's times
Speaker 1: where they're not doing a job. There was a blitz
Speaker 1: where nobody reacted, nobody kept their route off and Dac
Speaker 1: was left to hug Um, you know. But there was
Speaker 1: also another blitz where you know it was I think
Speaker 1: it was a pass where Dak threw its way over
Speaker 1: Colby Very's head hind two or three options on the
Speaker 1: right side where the safety and the linebacker had blissed
Speaker 1: and completely vacated the area. So, yep, it's just a mess.
Speaker 1: And so my question to you, Brian is We've had
Speaker 1: several quarterbacks coming through this offensive system that Garrett Is installed,
Speaker 1: Matt Castle, Tony Romo, John Kittner, but Tony's really been
Speaker 1: the only one that's been successful in it. At what
Speaker 1: point do we have to start looking at the system? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to lump those guys in. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Kittna had a solid career as mostly a backup. Castle
Speaker 1: was at the end of his rope pretty much these days.
Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, I think back in Detroit right
Speaker 1: now is what he's doing. And I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: say these guys around the same level as Dak, but
Speaker 1: it just seems like Tony is the only one that
Speaker 1: could ever figure it out and use this offense to
Speaker 1: to you know, do great things. It just seems like
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who we throw in there. There's there's just
Speaker 1: a struggle with the quarterback position, unless unless it was
Speaker 1: Tony And I don't know if that happens to again,
Speaker 1: did that have to do with the offense? Maybe? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well you've only had how many I mean, how many
Speaker 1: actual quote unquote starting quarterbacks have they had? They've had
Speaker 1: two quarterback and I tell you, I wish he had
Speaker 1: in a quick because I I really thought, even though
Speaker 1: that that that end of the season game didn't go
Speaker 1: well his way. I thought he played very very well
Speaker 1: and I who who Kyle Orton? Oh till he didn't
Speaker 1: want to play anymore. I know. That's what's so disappointing
Speaker 1: about it. He seemed like he was finally making progress
Speaker 1: in this offense and and then he decided to quit.
Speaker 1: And ever since, it just seems like, you know, put
Speaker 1: Kitten in there as well. But you know, looking at everything,
Speaker 1: and I think it's I think you're making too big
Speaker 1: of a broad brush on all that it's possible. I
Speaker 1: mean we're talking backup quarterbacks that you know, they were
Speaker 1: at the end of their careers. Kitten, it wasn't bad, No,
Speaker 1: KIDDA did a pretty good job. I mean, he's right
Speaker 1: of the ship was five and three with him. It's
Speaker 1: it's a home I believe if I remember right, Let
Speaker 1: me ask you can I ask everybody a question here?
Speaker 1: Do we feel like that maybe Romo was Maybe Romo's
Speaker 1: the anticipation, the smarts, intelligence, reading, defense, all that, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that you know there's things that I'm sure And
Speaker 1: I've asked Sean Payton this question about Drew Brees, you know,
Speaker 1: and I like, how's it to work with a guy
Speaker 1: that's that sharp on the field? He says, it makes
Speaker 1: up for a lot of mistakes that I make. You know,
Speaker 1: so sometimes you get quarterbacks that are very comfortable playing. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're gonna give me a system, but I'm gonna figure
Speaker 1: out ways to manipulate it. I think I think Tom
Speaker 1: Moore said it about Peyton Manning. I'm naming great quarterbacks here,
Speaker 1: by the way, you know, I'm naming guys that are
Speaker 1: great quarterbacks. But Tom Moore would say I would send
Speaker 1: in a play, and Tom Moore even said it a
Speaker 1: little bit about it. He did some work with the
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner. You know, you send in a play and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it's my play turns into
Speaker 1: another play, which makes it Oh okay, I see what
Speaker 1: you just did there. So sometimes you get a partnership
Speaker 1: where the offensive coordinator calls a play, you get a
Speaker 1: quarterback that's so intelligent in Okay, i'm gonna read the defense.
Speaker 1: Let's cover two. Okay, I need I'm gonna get a
Speaker 1: blitz him over here. Okay, I'm gonna throw it right here.
Speaker 1: I think that's where Tony did a really great job
Speaker 1: of manipulating the system you know that he had, And
Speaker 1: so I think there's I think there's some merit too
Speaker 1: of Hey, you know you have a system, but you
Speaker 1: got a guy that can expand this system. You need
Speaker 1: to change the system for Dak. Maybe Dak does what happened?
Speaker 1: Did you have the same opinion in twenty sixteen, You know,
Speaker 1: I thought Zeke took over. I thought it was that
Speaker 1: whole the whole season was predicated on the offensive line
Speaker 1: and Zeke, and I didn't think Dak. I still don't
Speaker 1: think Dak is a natural passer. That's just my opinion.
Speaker 1: I think he passed the ball too much. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have a very quick release, and I think that's what
Speaker 1: gets him in trouble. Especially on the balls that are
Speaker 1: tipped up. It's not because it's not because the wide
Speaker 1: receivers not necessarily driving enough back to the ball. It's
Speaker 1: the ball has been you know, let loose late in
Speaker 1: his break and he gives a cornerback that opportunity to
Speaker 1: get that hand in there. And I like the past
Speaker 1: that Michael Gallup just flat dropped into an interception. No,
Speaker 1: this was the first interception, I believe, the very first
Speaker 1: one that was low. But it was again Dak almost
Speaker 1: took an extra step, had at the ball and then
Speaker 1: used his whole body the where you sit in there,
Speaker 1: where you almost knee when you finished that third step.
Speaker 1: You gotta snap that ball off before. So that stuff breaking,
Speaker 1: and that stuff didn't happen in twenty sixteen. In the
Speaker 1: first eight games of twenty seventeen, he just had he
Speaker 1: just has happy feet. Now, Well, how come like the
Speaker 1: off season, all of a sudden he developed happy feet?
Speaker 1: Why is he got happy feet in it? Why is
Speaker 1: he half happy feet? I said? The offensive line is
Speaker 1: definitely all right, all right, we're getting better now. You
Speaker 1: still have you know, he had time in this game
Speaker 1: last week times and sometimes he doesn't understand that you
Speaker 1: can drop the ball in between the safety and and uh,
Speaker 1: that's difference. He goes off to swing for a three
Speaker 1: yard game, which I thought some notes here. I mean
Speaker 1: Eavy was open about three or four times. Sure, And
Speaker 1: I want to come back to the very last play
Speaker 1: last week before the end of regulation. You have four seconds,
Speaker 1: the defense is playing fifteen yards off your wide receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why not just immediately pitch it to a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: get five yard six yards to get it to the
Speaker 1: forty four and give your kicker a chance with one
Speaker 1: second left. I think I can take the sixty five
Speaker 1: yard field goal when I give them an opportunity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't, you know. I went back and watched that too,
Speaker 1: and I from the TV copy, I thought, just sitting there,
Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, why wouldn't they just throw the quick
Speaker 1: out and do what Parcels did against the Giants that
Speaker 1: time and go Billy and Billy kind of try the
Speaker 1: fifty something yard field goal. But it looked like to me,
Speaker 1: with with only ten seconds left, it wasn't you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't going to happen fast enough for them to
Speaker 1: be able to pull it off. So yeah, I understand,
Speaker 1: I understand the frustration, and I you know, the thing
Speaker 1: about the quarterback is, you know, we're I think you're
Speaker 1: trying to make Dak Prescott into Tony Romo when it
Speaker 1: comes to what's going on between his ears. And I
Speaker 1: mean well, and I mean that, I mean that in
Speaker 1: no disrespect to Dak, because I think that they're they're
Speaker 1: two totally different quarterbacks. And you know what, they're not
Speaker 1: running the same offensive system, right it wasn't they get
Speaker 1: a little bit of that in the game the other
Speaker 1: night too. There's things you can do. There's things you
Speaker 1: can do with Tony clearly throwing the ball down the
Speaker 1: field and manipulate offense, manipulate the defense that you can't
Speaker 1: do with Dak. And you know, we all need to
Speaker 1: realize that, you know, the anticipation, the smarts, they just
Speaker 1: the savvy. I think they're both extremely tough. I think
Speaker 1: Tony's you could be a very accurate quarterback. I don't
Speaker 1: think Dad could be particularly accurate, but you know he is.
Speaker 1: You know, in this day and age, maybe it's not
Speaker 1: the best way to play football, but they've decided until
Speaker 1: somebody else comes in here, if that's the case, if
Speaker 1: that happens, that they're going to play football by trying
Speaker 1: to be physical upfront and run it and then make
Speaker 1: plays off play action, and they just you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's a tough thing when they don't run it. And
Speaker 1: Dak didn't have the same uh NFL upbringing as Tony did.
Speaker 1: Tony sat watch prepared for three years before he got
Speaker 1: his chance. This guy's three years he's going through it
Speaker 1: on the field with the bullets flying. Just remember Romo
Speaker 1: didn't become Romo until his fourth season. He also had
Speaker 1: nine years in Garrett's system, and by the end of
Speaker 1: his run here, like Brian said, he'd mastered the system. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where he could, he could basically have Lanson, you know,
Speaker 1: make adjustment again. I've talked to Sean Payton about this
Speaker 1: a long time because I'm always fascinated by Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: But he's like, I'll send stuff out there and Drew
Speaker 1: will just take it and he'll think, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: think it a little bit further down the line. I
Speaker 1: just don't feel like you have that quarterback here right now.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why the great wins are the
Speaker 1: great ones, because they have that ability to kind of
Speaker 1: take it. It's not all athletic ability because or armtown
Speaker 1: or all that. Because if that was the case, Jeff
Speaker 1: George would be in the Hall of Fame right now.
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning didn't have a great arm Dante Colepepper would
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame right now. Steve McNair,
Speaker 1: who was a great quarterback in his own right, would
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame right now. If it's
Speaker 1: just about taking the ball and throwing it through the
Speaker 1: car wash and having it not get wet, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you have to get Peyton Manning didn't become Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning the first couple of years of his career, by
Speaker 1: the way. He he he. But where he and Dak
Speaker 1: do share some similarities is, and this is gonna be funny.
Speaker 1: Their rookies and they had to play I mean the Colts.
Speaker 1: The Colts were a three and thirteen team, and they
Speaker 1: had they had the pick, and they they took Manning
Speaker 1: and they threw him out there and he got lit up,
Speaker 1: and Troy he got lit up too. They all got
Speaker 1: lit up. And again I am not if you if
Speaker 1: you want to, you can't compare Romo and Dak in
Speaker 1: this way. You can't because I think that there's things
Speaker 1: that the escapability both seemed to have when when Tony
Speaker 1: was playing, you know, the the armed talent. I think
Speaker 1: Dak has got I think Dak has is strong enough farm.
Speaker 1: I mean some of those throws he makes going to
Speaker 1: his left. But really, but what's between the years? And
Speaker 1: I mean that not as he's a dumb guy that
Speaker 1: you can't function in life. I mean sometimes to be
Speaker 1: successful you have to have smarts. You have to have
Speaker 1: that uncanny ability to see what's happening in front of
Speaker 1: you and make plays whether they're you know, it's anticipation.
Speaker 1: People ask me about Dak's worst trade. I think it's anticipation.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just something he could develop. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's going to take some time. But right now
Speaker 1: you're taking the lumps because he lacks it. So all right,
Speaker 1: fair enough, good points, Thanks Matthew for the call. Let's
Speaker 1: take our final break. We come back. Let's talk a
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Speaker 1: hit on some guys that they've spent money on. If
Speaker 1: you talk about their cornerbacks, A. J. Bouyer, the corner
Speaker 1: they're playing op to Jalen Ramsey has been really, really good. Now,
Speaker 1: this is a unique team to watch, guys, because the
Speaker 1: cornerbacks flop sides. So I was kind of thinking of
Speaker 1: a plan of maybe taking taking my whoever wide receivers
Speaker 1: not gonna be a factor in this game, and put
Speaker 1: him over there, you know, and Jalen rant and just
Speaker 1: occupy him. You can't really do that because they stay
Speaker 1: flip flop, uh, you know. And it's not because they're
Speaker 1: carrying guys. They're not shadow they're not shadowing. They'll play field,
Speaker 1: and they'll play boundary, and I mean boundary near the sidelines,
Speaker 1: and then they'll let the other guy play the field.
Speaker 1: So you can't really, you don't. You can't get a
Speaker 1: bead on where where Jalen Ramsey's gonna play. So that
Speaker 1: could be a little bit of a problem. You gotta
Speaker 1: be able to identify with him how you attack him.
Speaker 1: I would attack him when he's in zone coverage. Don't
Speaker 1: attack him when he's in man. And when he's when
Speaker 1: he's gonna give you a little space, make sure the
Speaker 1: decision is quick, get the ball out and then and
Speaker 1: then take what you can get out of that. When
Speaker 1: you play man against him, he's very much like Patrick Peterson,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't give you very much room. He doesn't
Speaker 1: give you space. He's gonna run with you, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be physical with the line, and he's gonna do all
Speaker 1: those things, so you have to be careful the secondary.
Speaker 1: Barry Church has done a nice job with them. This
Speaker 1: Tayshawn the Gibson, you know, he's the other safety. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm kind of a little bit I'm not too sure
Speaker 1: about him. They drafted this Ronnie Harrison from Alabama, who
Speaker 1: they've used a lot more when they played Tennessee, who
Speaker 1: was run heavy. They took They took Harrison and they
Speaker 1: took Gibson and they put them both down and then
Speaker 1: also played with Barry Church back. So they put three
Speaker 1: safeties on the field and kind of a kind of
Speaker 1: a nickel look, but that was to handle they didn't
Speaker 1: feel like that Tennessee could throw the football. So now
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys being very run heavy, Tennessee being
Speaker 1: very run heavy. You might see the same thing where
Speaker 1: they try and get more safeties down Miles Jack this
Speaker 1: Telvin Smith. I mean, they've got a good group of linebackers,
Speaker 1: but the defensive line is impressive. It's gonna remind you
Speaker 1: very much of how the old Giants were. They got big.
Speaker 1: They've got a big defensive end in Kalaiss Campbell. He
Speaker 1: plays what they play, the strong defensive end. So whatever
Speaker 1: whenever they declare your strength, they say, okay, your strengths
Speaker 1: to the right, They'll put Kalais Campbell to that side
Speaker 1: and then he will be a rusher there. We also
Speaker 1: have to be worried about him putting them over the
Speaker 1: top of Connor Williams because when they went to Nickel
Speaker 1: against Kansas City to try and create pressure, they put
Speaker 1: Kalaiss Campbell inside and he is He's as six eight guy.
Speaker 1: He's six eight like David Irvy, but he doesn't have
Speaker 1: the quickness of David Irving. He's yeah, but his lateral
Speaker 1: agility struggles a little bit. But you talk about power,
Speaker 1: he's a straight power player. I've seen him walk guys
Speaker 1: right back in when he's playing end. When he's playing tackle,
Speaker 1: I've seen him walk guys right back into the quarterbacks lap.
Speaker 1: So that's the problem you're gonna have to you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do with Malik Jackson plays as the undertackle
Speaker 1: of the three. He's another guy that could very well
Speaker 1: give Connor Williams a little problem. And then Marcel Darius,
Speaker 1: who they got from Buffalo is in a trade, is
Speaker 1: just a big guy that's hard to move inside. So
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna try and stop you from running
Speaker 1: the ball, but they think they're good enough too in
Speaker 1: the secondary to just to cover you up and not
Speaker 1: give anything on the back end. And we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've they've had, they've they've you know, Kansas
Speaker 1: City uniquely the way that Kansas City plays. Mahomes did
Speaker 1: a nice job wet day, getting the ball around, very
Speaker 1: creative and when some of the things they did offensively
Speaker 1: to try and take advantage of Jackson. But I think
Speaker 1: Jacksonville lost that football game because of Blake Bortles. That's
Speaker 1: why they lost. He was awful. Yeah, that's why they
Speaker 1: lost that game, Mike, what do you see from them
Speaker 1: on tape if you've watched a little bit so far.
Speaker 1: I watched the game, yeah, and so I've got a
Speaker 1: messed up view of what they are. Yeah, because they
Speaker 1: got torched. Darius IMPRESSI to me. He gave Kansas City trouble. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the middle, he made a lot of plays. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean, Kansas City just kind of had their way
Speaker 1: with them, and with the amount of turnovers they made,
Speaker 1: it made it easier on them. I mean, they're they're
Speaker 1: they beat New England, all right, they did, but then
Speaker 1: they won. Uh, they're they're they're the champions of New
Speaker 1: York because they beat the Jets and the Giants. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they do have desistically the best defense in the league,
Speaker 1: and they do have eight guys on their roster who
Speaker 1: have made Pro Bowls. They're still number one. After the
Speaker 1: yards they gave up against Kansas City, they're still number one.
Speaker 1: And they will score touchdowns too. That's the other thing
Speaker 1: you got to worry about against a Cowboys offense that
Speaker 1: has been challenged so far. Team scored seven touchdowns last
Speaker 1: year defensively, and I think they've last year. I think
Speaker 1: they got a couple this year too, at least one.
Speaker 1: I think they got one against the Giants. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they played their tough game. So if they do that
Speaker 1: with their corners, Yeah, then I'm putting my wide receivers
Speaker 1: in motion. Yeah. We talked, and then they can decide
Speaker 1: where they're going. We talked to Alan Hearns yesterday, who
Speaker 1: knows these guys very well, practiced with him every day,
Speaker 1: and he said, look, they're gonna load up to stop Zeke,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna press us, and we have to make
Speaker 1: plays on the outside. That's that is imperative for this
Speaker 1: wide receiver group. This week, Well, they weren't. They weren't
Speaker 1: pressing the whole game against Kansas City. That's why they
Speaker 1: started playing off. Yeah, that's why I felt like though
Speaker 1: they respected Kansas City speed with that hill. I think
Speaker 1: they were worried about They were worried about hill. They're
Speaker 1: playing on a grass field, it was wet conditions, and
Speaker 1: they thought, Okay, we can't slip, we can't fall. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a I really wanted to see them play against
Speaker 1: the Giants because the Giants with it was the first
Speaker 1: game of the year. You know, the Giants are gonna
Speaker 1: try and run the ball with that rookie back. But
Speaker 1: the way I think they're going to play the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and I think Alan's absolutely right, They're gonna press you
Speaker 1: and they're gonna try and choke this run. And where
Speaker 1: where it was very evident, like I was talking about
Speaker 1: with moving guys around, was that Tennessee game. You know,
Speaker 1: because Tennessee is a They're much like the Cowboys. They're
Speaker 1: very run heavy. And I felt like, Okay, how do
Speaker 1: they do this? But when they wanted to get to
Speaker 1: when they want to get the pass rush, they kicked
Speaker 1: that Campbell inside. You know, they bring on they bring
Speaker 1: on Fowler, their first round pick from a while. But
Speaker 1: I mean they have guys that can legitimately rush the passer.
Speaker 1: They got big guys inside, they got fast guys on
Speaker 1: the edge, and they got linebackers that are really sidelined
Speaker 1: to silence players. I will say this, Uh, as much
Speaker 1: as I love Miles Jack, Jalen Smith from what I
Speaker 1: saw on tape is playing better than what Miles Jack.
Speaker 1: Is interesting. They put Campbell inside so much. I thought
Speaker 1: he was a defensive tackle. Now I said, when did
Speaker 1: they move in the defensive Yeah, He's like they had
Speaker 1: him inside quite a bit. This is I just feel
Speaker 1: like that they're gonna try and press and push Connor Williams.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a tough game for Connor Williams
Speaker 1: because he's gonna have to hold up against some guys.
Speaker 1: I'm mentioned that whole thing with Malie Jackson. He's he's
Speaker 1: like a a big quick guy. I mean, they attack
Speaker 1: your shoulder around, you know, and when we see Connor
Speaker 1: when he gets a little over extended, he gets you know,
Speaker 1: that guy swims around him and kind of like wit
Speaker 1: saw last week with the with the Texans JJ Watt
Speaker 1: quick movement. Then there you go. So when you play
Speaker 1: two tight end, how do they declare what the strong
Speaker 1: side is? They'll probably declare to the strength of the
Speaker 1: tight ends because they probably feel that you're going to
Speaker 1: run the football so to Swayton side, right, Jarwin's right, right,
Speaker 1: So if if they put if if you the thing,
Speaker 1: what you what you're gonna try and do is try
Speaker 1: and balance them. You know, you could play twelve personnel
Speaker 1: and then split your tight ends and then balance. That's
Speaker 1: what I meant both if they're both on the same side,
Speaker 1: of course, that's very obvious, but if you play twelve
Speaker 1: personnel and you put one on the right, one on
Speaker 1: the left, you're gonna balance them and try and make
Speaker 1: them declare. Okay, now, maybe you could scheme a way
Speaker 1: to keep to keep h to keep Ramsey out of
Speaker 1: the out of the picture, and then just play against
Speaker 1: ten guys. You know that that that that's gonna be.
Speaker 1: Like I said, that's gonna be. But he will travel
Speaker 1: and he will also play in the slot. So don't
Speaker 1: be surprised if all of a sudden Beasley's down in
Speaker 1: the slot. They're trying to work that angle a little
Speaker 1: bit because they're their normal slot guy is Tyler Patman.
Speaker 1: We all from here, So all right? Why no Malik
Speaker 1: Jackson from Was he Texas? He was? Was it Denver?
Speaker 1: They got him from Denver? I know no, But I
Speaker 1: mean did he play college? Jefferson? Right, Belle, Jefferson's a linebacker?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, Texas? I said, right, jack Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: AT and T Stadium, Nate in Frisco. If you're still
Speaker 1: holding quickly, you got the last word on talking cowboys.
Speaker 1: Good morning y'all. Um, last time I wanted to mention um,
Speaker 1: especially with difficulty you're having with the run, why don't
Speaker 1: they go out and try to get a blocking tight end.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking made you like a Tyler Conklin or a
Speaker 1: Mercedes Lewis. I mean, what do y'all think? You mean?
Speaker 1: Like now, right now? Yeah, how are you gonna do that?
Speaker 1: He wants to trade you out of trade? He wants
Speaker 1: to trade. Yeah, all right, thanks for the calling, Nate.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure they're gonna Yeah, where's the deadline? By
Speaker 1: the way, if you want to make a trade sometime
Speaker 1: this month, right yeah, it's it's end of the it's
Speaker 1: it's the end of the month of the month, the
Speaker 1: last Yeah, right around there. I think that to me
Speaker 1: that if you can identify you know, this is gonna
Speaker 1: sound funny, but Rico Gathers has not been terrible, you know,
Speaker 1: so big body, yeah, big body. And I'm thinking that
Speaker 1: maybe the more confidence that you give him, maybe you say,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's starting to understand the plays and
Speaker 1: it knows what he needs to do. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: throw him the football. Put him out there and let
Speaker 1: him block too, you know, let him, let him let
Speaker 1: people see him block, block, block, block block, and then
Speaker 1: sneak him, you know, up the field like you did.
Speaker 1: Don't just put him on the field to throw him
Speaker 1: the ball. But Rico Gathers has not been terrible locking,
Speaker 1: so I'm kind of can he be an h back?
Speaker 1: If I asked, I don't know. I'm just gonna put him.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put him in line and let him
Speaker 1: but use that big body to capture the edge. I
Speaker 1: appreciate the caller because he's thinking, hey, you know I've
Speaker 1: said all along, please if you could just have James
Speaker 1: Hannah walk into this building. But that's a stuntman. That's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. But suddenly, you know people and he's
Speaker 1: not the first one to bring that up about a fullback.
Speaker 1: But remember when Zeke got here. Oh he's better in
Speaker 1: a one back. He doesn't run well. Keith behind the
Speaker 1: fullback me personally, I miss Keith Smith. Glass eater. A
Speaker 1: glass eater, that's what Keith Smith is. He's a glass eater.
Speaker 1: And you know, Ola Wally is kind of a fit
Speaker 1: and fin or finding fit guy. Keith Smith was a
Speaker 1: he would go in there and blast and whatever he saw.
Speaker 1: Now you know, that's kind of way they If you
Speaker 1: can have a fullback, give me a guy that's gonna
Speaker 1: go in there and blast people. That's what I need.
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