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Speaker 1: Hello there, I'm Chuck Todd. Welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Chuck Todcast. Let's get into it, and I want

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Speaker 1: to deal with the lead of my substack piece this week,

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Speaker 1: which is there's a lot of concern and doom and

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Speaker 1: gloom right at least on the left when it comes

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Speaker 1: to Trump. And it's frankly understandable. Just frankly, the last

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Speaker 1: vaccine schedule and how confusing and chaotic that was, and

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Speaker 1: then of course the rambling, bizarre speech that he gave

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Speaker 1: at the United Nations. So in sort of back to

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Speaker 1: back appearances, right, there's the version of Donald Trump that frankly,

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Speaker 1: a majority of voters don't like. And every time the

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Speaker 1: more you see that version, the more while his base

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Speaker 1: loves it, everybody else doesn't. And it sort of gets

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Speaker 1: at what I think is a missing piece and the

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Speaker 1: doom and gloomerism. I'm not saying what he's been doing

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Speaker 1: is not quite alarming. In fact, what he's done in

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Speaker 1: the last few weeks has been quite brazen, right, The

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Speaker 1: weaponization of the Justice Department, just ordering asking his attorney general,

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Speaker 1: telling his attorney general who she needs to be prosecuting, right,

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Speaker 1: the firing of a US attorney who refused to bring

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Speaker 1: charges because there won't enough evidence against somebody, that bag

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Speaker 1: of cash business with tom Omen where they're not denying it.

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Speaker 1: I did nothing illegal, yeah, because the case was dropped,

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Speaker 1: so that you're right, there is no charge of you

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Speaker 1: breaking the law. But the fact that he answered as

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Speaker 1: if he was being questioned by authorities when he appeared

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Speaker 1: He probably is. The weaponization of the FCC. So look

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Speaker 1: all of his words and actions over the last two days,

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Speaker 1: two weeks, two months, frankly six years, right, they've been alarming.

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Speaker 1: I get it, and I understand the instinct by many,

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Speaker 1: particularly in the independent media space, but in other sort

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Speaker 1: of Trump opposition circles that you feel kind of dark.

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Speaker 1: It feels like dark right now, because you've seen nobody

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Speaker 1: stands up against Trump in this term the way we

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Speaker 1: saw it in Trump one point zero. In fact, Ed Loose,

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Speaker 1: who does really good work at the Financial Times, is

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Speaker 1: a pretty I enjoy his writing. He sort of summarized

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Speaker 1: things this way less than a year after Trump was elected.

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Speaker 1: The separation of powers is not working. Congresses he irrelevant,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is quiescent, the media is punched drunk,

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Speaker 1: Democrats are fragmented. Independent federal agencies are losing autonomy. The

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Speaker 1: markets are simply high in the AI gold rush, crypto deregulation,

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Speaker 1: in the prospect of a return to easy money. It

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Speaker 1: was his way of trying to, you know, trying to warrant. Hey,

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Speaker 1: nobody's pushing back on Trump. That's true, But I think

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Speaker 1: we've got to acknowledge the following fact, and what gets

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Speaker 1: lost in this doom and gloom is that the voters

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Speaker 1: haven't weighed in right. Corporate leaders, tech investors, crypto enthusiasts,

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Speaker 1: culture conservative, culture warriors, all of them have been the

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Speaker 1: knee to Trump for one reason or another. But let's

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Speaker 1: not assume the voters are going to simply fall in love,

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Speaker 1: especially if their lives haven't improved in the way that

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Speaker 1: I think, and this gets it to what I think

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Speaker 1: has been the incorrect diagnosis for why Trump lost the

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Speaker 1: first time, and frankly, an incorrect diagnosis at times of

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Speaker 1: why Trump is back for a second term. I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of Democrats, particularly in the ways they chose

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Speaker 1: powercuding the first two years when Democrats had full control

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Speaker 1: and they assumed that what the reason the country rejected

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Speaker 1: Trump was rejected his ideas, and I think it's now

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Speaker 1: obvious that that wasn't the case, especially if they were

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Speaker 1: willing to bring him back. Right, if his ideas were wrong,

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Speaker 1: they never would have brought him back. What they didn't

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Speaker 1: like was the chaos that he brought. His leadership in

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Speaker 1: a crisis was terrible. During COVID. It was the equivalent

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Speaker 1: of feeling like especially that last year of the Trump presidency,

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Speaker 1: and in many ways, the whole four years felt this

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Speaker 1: way that you were You're on a roller coaster. And

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Speaker 1: I've used this metaphor before, and covering Trump is this way,

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Speaker 1: Trump is up to. You're on this constant roller coaster,

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Speaker 1: but you get on and off the ride in the

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Speaker 1: same place. Right, you never make any progress, But boy,

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Speaker 1: me nauseous. That doesn't mean they wanted open borders, right.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that there were certain things that they

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Speaker 1: of you write me and saying, you know, why are

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Speaker 1: you so sure that twenty twenty six elections are going

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Speaker 1: isn't going to try to cancel those elections? And look,

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Speaker 1: he is certainly willing to try anything, right, anybody that

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Speaker 1: behave the way he behaved on January sixth, you cannot

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Speaker 1: assume he won't try anything. But I do think we

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Speaker 1: to vote based on their own lived experience, not necessarily

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Speaker 1: what's being said or what's being fed to him by

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Speaker 1: a warped algorithm. Look, when you look at everything Trump's

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Speaker 1: done in the last six months, I think his political

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Speaker 1: prospects are kind of like are sort of deflating every

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Speaker 1: the last two months. Think of it as having a

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Speaker 1: small leak in your tire and it's not big enough

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Speaker 1: you don't want to see you just keep pumping it

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Speaker 1: up with air, maybe every couple of weeks, because you

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Speaker 1: I was doing that with my daughter's car, been doing

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Speaker 1: that with another car. And at some point, you know,

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Speaker 1: after five days. You might be gone for five days.

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Speaker 1: You look, oh, my tires flap, but you didn't sort

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Speaker 1: of see it day to day, right in each day

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Speaker 1: ways Trump is doing this right here. He's done a

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Speaker 1: lot of confusing and chaotic things that don't go over well.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's tariffs, they're not going over well. It continues

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Speaker 1: mean that I'm going to get to that a little

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Speaker 1: quickly because he can't help himself. Right. He is not

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Speaker 1: like he could be more opposite of Ronald Reagan. Ronald

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Speaker 1: to move on from Carter. The nineteen eighty election was

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, it became a vote for Ronald Reagan. Right.

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Speaker 1: He went out of his way to try to convince

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Speaker 1: you know, I've always thought that when I look back

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Speaker 1: Reagan had a Democratic House the whole time, Clinton, basically

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Speaker 1: all for six of his eight years, had a Republican Congress.

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama for essentially six of his eight years, had

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Speaker 1: Trump has had a He's had a majority of his

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Speaker 1: with unified control. Trump has struggled with unified control. You know,

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Speaker 1: Clinton's first two years didn't go well. You know, really

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Speaker 1: the hallmark of the longer arc of Reagan and the

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Speaker 1: us know if these presidents know how to govern in

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Speaker 1: they don't strive. Many of them don't strive to be

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Speaker 1: sixty percent presidents. You do whatever it takes to get

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Speaker 1: you may never get there. But your governing agenda is

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Speaker 1: likely to be more popular. You're governing agendas likely to

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Speaker 1: and has actually leaned into order, has been at the border. Well,

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Speaker 1: And it's it's frankly, it's what I think if you

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Speaker 1: look at it through the prism of chaos versus order,

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Speaker 1: now he's brought in order to a lesser extent, his

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Speaker 1: Some of the tactics they don't like, but the goal

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Speaker 1: they do again, why because they want to see order

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Speaker 1: brought to where they believe there is perceived chaos. Now

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Speaker 1: go the other way. Look what he's done to health,

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Speaker 1: particularly vaccines. What do you do during pregnancy. His administration

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Speaker 1: has brought nothing but chaos that ca and this is

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Speaker 1: an eighty twenty issue. And whenever you bring chaos to

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Speaker 1: And I do think that what he's done to moms,

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Speaker 1: what he's done with women voters in some way, is

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Speaker 1: inside his own executive branch thanks to Right's previous and

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Speaker 1: Mike Pence. There were guardrails in the US Congress, there

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Speaker 1: were guards and the press that were guardrails in corporate America.

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Speaker 1: What we now have is Donald Trump with very few guardrails. Right,

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Speaker 1: That's the point ed loose made at the top of

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Speaker 1: this piece. But there's still one entity that hasn't spoken

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Speaker 1: yet that I think their lived experience is going to

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Speaker 1: tell them I want off of this ride, and that's

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Speaker 1: the American voter itself. So might sign a little pollyannish

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Speaker 1: where I'm going here, But you know, I do think

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Speaker 1: a voter's lived experience is going to trump perception, just

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Speaker 1: like we saw in twenty twenty. They didn't like the

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Speaker 1: chaos that he was bringing. Wherever Donald Trump goes, there's

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Speaker 1: chaos in its wake, and especially if people feel like

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Speaker 1: this economy isn't working form and right now it's not right.

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Speaker 1: The cost to live is going up. I told you

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Speaker 1: one of the things in Crystallusio's interview that comes up

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Speaker 1: is the cost the rising cost of electricity. Electric bills

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Speaker 1: are going up, property insurance is going up. So everybody

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Speaker 1: is feeling this pain. Right, your cup of coffee has

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Speaker 1: gone up twenty to forty percent in costs just over

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Speaker 1: the last couple of months because of tariffs. You're just

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Speaker 1: going to The ability to buy a home feels like

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Speaker 1: it's gotten further away. So there's a reason all of

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Speaker 1: his polling is starting to trickle down. There's a reason

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Speaker 1: the wrong direction right track numbers are starting to pull

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Speaker 1: apart again. Right with wrong track or wrong direction depending

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Speaker 1: on how the polster asked, starting to get back up

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Speaker 1: over sixty percent, and at times it was in the

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Speaker 1: seventies when it came to Biden and such. So that's

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Speaker 1: a number to keep an eye on. The lived experience

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Speaker 1: of the American voter, I think is a lot more

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Speaker 1: important here. I get the concern about what Trump's trying

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Speaker 1: to do day today, and there's no doubt there's a

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Speaker 1: judiciary is broken thanks to the US Senate. Right, Congress

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Speaker 1: does not understand that it's an equal branch of government.

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Speaker 1: See if there's new members that come in there and

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Speaker 1: decide to exert itself. He has surrounded himself with sickophants

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Speaker 1: this time with really, I mean, there's only one issue

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Speaker 1: where it feels like he's got people in his own

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Speaker 1: staff who disagree, and it's dealing with Russia. In fact.

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Speaker 1: By the way, before I move on to a quick

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Speaker 1: few takes on the Kamala book, I don't believe Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump wrote the tweet that has been circulating on Ukraine. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is supposedly a Donald Trump truth social post, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to read it verbatim, and then we're going

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Speaker 1: to decide together where you really think this is Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump after getting to know and fully understand the Ukraine

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Speaker 1: Russia military and economic situation, and after seeing the economic

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Speaker 1: trouble it is causing Russia, I think Ukraine with the

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Speaker 1: support of the European Union is in a position to

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Speaker 1: fight and win all of Ukraine back in its original form,

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Speaker 1: with time, patience, and the financial support of UU and

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Speaker 1: in particular NATO. The original borders from where this war

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Speaker 1: started is very much an option. Why not. Russia has

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Speaker 1: been fighting aimlessly for three and a half years, a

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Speaker 1: war that should have taken a real military power less

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Speaker 1: than a week to win. This is not distinguishing Russia.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it is very much making them look like

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Speaker 1: a quote paper tiger unquote. I have read this tweet

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Speaker 1: for Batim. Okay, now let me read to you just

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Speaker 1: the first parts of his tweet about canceling the meeting

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Speaker 1: with Schumer and Jeffries, and he writes, after reviewing the

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Speaker 1: details of the unserious and ridiculous demands being made by

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Speaker 1: the minority radical left Democrats in return for their votes

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Speaker 1: to keep our thriving country open, I have decided that

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Speaker 1: no meeting with their congressional leaders could possibly be productive.

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Speaker 1: They are threatening to shut down the government of the

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Speaker 1: United States unless they can have over a trillion dollars

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Speaker 1: in new spending to continue free health care for illegal aliens,

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Speaker 1: a monumental cost exclamation point force taxpayers to fund transgender

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Speaker 1: surgery for miners, have dead people on the Medicaid roles,

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Speaker 1: allow I legal alien criminals to steal billions of dollars

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Speaker 1: in American taxpayer benefits. Try to force our country to

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Speaker 1: again open our borders to criminals and to the world. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I've read about half of that tweet. That was clearly

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump right, no question about it. Again, Let's go back.

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Speaker 1: That was at nine forty two this morning, so supposedly

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Speaker 1: a two fifty five in the afternoon. He's using a

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Speaker 1: sentence again. I'm going to reread one of the sentences

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Speaker 1: because with no it had no edits, it had no parentheses,

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Speaker 1: it had no asides that he normally has. Again, do

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Speaker 1: we really think Donald Trump wrote the following with time,

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Speaker 1: patients and the financial support of Europe and in particular NATO,

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Speaker 1: the original borders from where this war started is very

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Speaker 1: much an option. Anyway, It's fascinating, I don't it. It

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Speaker 1: is this Trump rush at thing. Right. Look, here's we

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Speaker 1: do know. Marco Rubio is is both as Secretary State

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Speaker 1: National Security Advisor. Marco Rubio is very clear eyed about

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Speaker 1: the threat of Russia. He cares about the threat of Russia.

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Speaker 1: Because their allies with Maduro and Venezuela. He cares about

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Speaker 1: the threat of Russia because their allies with the regime

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Speaker 1: in Cuba. He cares about that. It's really because he

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Speaker 1: was on the Intelligence committee before, he was in a

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Speaker 1: position to even see everything that Russia was doing. He's

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Speaker 1: well aware. He had his own campaign hacked by the Russians,

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Speaker 1: He's had his own stuff stolen by the Russians. He's

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Speaker 1: pretty clear eyed on this, And while he may go

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Speaker 1: along with him on a lot of his other crazy

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Speaker 1: it is fascinating to me that on this issue he

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Speaker 1: always slowly is able to pull Trump back to the

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Speaker 1: brink too suddenly, and now he's essentially got Hey, NATO

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Speaker 1: can do it at wants now. Trump is, if you've noticed,

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Speaker 1: is trying to distance himself a bit from NATO. Hey,

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Speaker 1: if NATO shoots down the planes, that's up to NATO. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're forty percent of NATO. We are NATO. Okay, who's

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Speaker 1: the NATO Supreme I like commander always an American general.

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Speaker 1: So but it's it's almost like he's trying to do

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Speaker 1: the wink in the nod with Putin and at the

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Speaker 1: same time washing his hands What it really means is

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Speaker 1: that Zelenski is going to get what he needs from

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Speaker 1: Europe and from NATO. The Americans are not going to

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Speaker 1: directly give him anything anymore, but they're going to do

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Speaker 1: it through the EU and they're going to through NATO.

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Speaker 1: But I do think it's fascinating that Donald Trump decided

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Speaker 1: to let somebody else. It's hard to imagine he wrote

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Speaker 1: any of this. He probably approved it, don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 1: but it's hard to imagine when you see the language

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Speaker 1: that he used to cancel his meeting with Jeffreys and Schumer,

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Speaker 1: which on we get to in a minute, With the

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Speaker 1: language that he used to announce that he thinks Ukraine

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Speaker 1: can win the war. Let's just say I have a

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Speaker 1: hard time believe that the same individual came up with

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Speaker 1: those exact same words very quick on the canceled meeting

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Speaker 1: of the Democrats. Here, I guess we know where this

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Speaker 1: is headed. We're going to shut down sooner. I might

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Speaker 1: have if I were the Democrats agreed to the clean

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Speaker 1: cr in November and then use you know, then waited

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Speaker 1: till after the twenty twenty five elections election day to

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Speaker 1: have the knockdown drag out over healthcare and shutting down

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Speaker 1: the government if that's what you were going to use

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Speaker 1: as leverage. I do think healthcare is their best leverage.

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Speaker 1: Healthcare continues to be an issue that Democrats have more

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Speaker 1: credibility with the public on than Republicans do, and we

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Speaker 1: know they don't like the Medicaid cuts, so that more

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Speaker 1: idea that premiums are going up. This is only going

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Speaker 1: to create more problems and the cost to live issues,

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Speaker 1: especially with small business. Again, whose small business are the

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Speaker 1: ones most likely to be in the Obamacare exchanges and

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Speaker 1: most likely having to get health care on their own.

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Speaker 1: So I do think that these are politically problematic for him,

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Speaker 1: But I think Democrats would have and served better sticking

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Speaker 1: to their principles of hey, a clean sea, art to

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Speaker 1: negotiating six weeks. Those are the type of things they

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Speaker 1: used to offer up in order to buy more time

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Speaker 1: before getting to the before getting to a negotiation and

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Speaker 1: whether or not to keep the government open. So I

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Speaker 1: am I think that they Obviously Trump's not interested in negotiating.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't see it yet. It's going to take Republicans

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Speaker 1: in the House and Senate, And what he may be

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Speaker 1: setting up is he's almost going to let democrats. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he admitted that what they want is more money for

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Speaker 1: health care. He worded it in a way to try

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Speaker 1: to appease his base. They just want this money for

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Speaker 1: illegal aliens health care. But he's acknowledging that it's about healthcare.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a political loser for him on this one.

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Speaker 1: Nobody gets a nobody's going to get credit for a shutdown,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, I think a shutdown only feeds into

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Speaker 1: what but I do think is his biggest vulnerability and

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Speaker 1: has been his biggest vulnerability, the chaos that he brings

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Speaker 1: with his presidency. Nothing is ever a straight line. Everything

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Speaker 1: is always a roller coaster, and at some point people

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Speaker 1: want off of a roller coaster, especially when they realize

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Speaker 1: they get on and get off this Trump roller coaster

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Speaker 1: in exactly the same place. Before I get to the

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Speaker 1: interview with Christluzio, I do want to make a few

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Speaker 1: few more observations. I'm in the middle of reading the

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris book One hundred and seven Days, and I'm

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Speaker 1: really torn about it. Just as a consumer, a consumer,

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Speaker 1: I love it. I feel like I am getting her

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Speaker 1: real thoughts, what she really thinks, whether it's about her

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Speaker 1: running mates, whether it's about Biden, whether it's about Trump,

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Speaker 1: whether it's about how she was dealing with certain things.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's it's quite revealing for a number

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Speaker 1: of reasons. It's you know, the fact that Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: called her worried that she was going to throw him

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Speaker 1: under the bus right before the debate says a lot

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Speaker 1: about who Joe Biden is and how thin of skin

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Speaker 1: he had, and frankly, how unself aware he was about this.

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Speaker 1: I think the fact that Kamala Harris admitted in an

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Speaker 1: interview in the view that that infamous, meaning that she

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Speaker 1: wouldn't change a thing, that she didn't quite understand how

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Speaker 1: I guess she approached the election that people just didn't

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Speaker 1: want Biden because of his age, not because of other things.

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Speaker 1: Boy was that That is a troubling acknowledgment because it

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Speaker 1: tells me she did not understand what was going on

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Speaker 1: with this American electorate right that she just that was

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Speaker 1: a miss on that one. And like I said, as

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Speaker 1: candid as she has come across about her summing up

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Speaker 1: of the running mates, basically saying, look, Tim Walls was

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Speaker 1: not my first choice. I had a lot of other

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Speaker 1: first choices, but I settled on him because I eliminated

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Speaker 1: everybody else personally. It confirmed my reporting, sometimes in in

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Speaker 1: shockingly specific ways, including the Mark Kelly issue, whether he

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Speaker 1: could uh whether he would be vetted fairly or not

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Speaker 1: by the American public, the Shapiro measuring the drapes issue,

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Speaker 1: which is which which would feature prominently in my reporting.

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Speaker 1: And then, of course the part I didn't know about

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Speaker 1: was the fact that Pete was mayor. Pete was her

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Speaker 1: first choice, but she saw everything through the lens of

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Speaker 1: identity on that one. So it is I don't think

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Speaker 1: this is a book that helps her in the long run, right,

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Speaker 1: because for her to be able to run, she's got

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Speaker 1: to be able to convince a decent chunk of democratic

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Speaker 1: elites that that she's the best candidate. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this book shows somebody that's ready

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Speaker 1: to unify the party and lead it in a new direction.

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Speaker 1: The book is lacking a sort of vision for what

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Speaker 1: she would like to do. Differently, I haven't finished it,

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Speaker 1: so I want to be careful totally accepting the premise

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Speaker 1: that there's no vision in there, but it is it

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Speaker 1: is really revealing on what she went through and so

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Speaker 1: as a journalist and a political anthropologist, I love it

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Speaker 1: because I love knowing more of what's going inside. I'm

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Speaker 1: always trying to find out what are they really thinking,

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Speaker 1: how do they really go about doing this? I feel

645
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: like I kind of have a sense, but I can't

646
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: shake one feeling about her that I think just makes

647
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: her makes it, makes makes her a hard gives her

648
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: a hard I think wrote ahead to win the presidency.

649
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: Her training as a prosecutor means she's always coloring between

650
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: the life a prosecutor. When you're on behalf of the

651
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: government bringing charges against individuals, you've got to dot every

652
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: I and cross every T. You can't play jazz. You've

653
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: really got to play strict classical music, and you've got

654
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: to follow the notes that are on the score. When

655
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: you're a challenger, when you've an outsider who's not been

656
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: in government, maybe not a member of the military or

657
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: not a former prosecutor, you can improvise, right, Jazz the

658
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: great improvise. You can go on a riff, you can

659
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: do this, and you can be a disruptor and get

660
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: away with it. And we know that, especially in the

661
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: moment we're living in, right, I think the moment we're

662
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: living in is we don't like what we have, We're

663
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: not satisfied, we're looking for something different. I think that

664
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: in a different political climate her style could work. But

665
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: in this climate that we're living in right now, where

666
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: people don't like what they got the look for something different,

667
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: I think in some ways her mindset that I think

668
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: goes back to being working in a prosecutor's office and

669
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: being a prosecutor doesn't match with where voters are likely

670
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: even to be in twenty twenty eight. So I'm a

671
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: skeptic that she runs in twenty twenty eight, because if

672
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: she still desires a place in political leadership, I think

673
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: she is the luxury of taking a cycle off. She

674
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: could always come back if the next governor is unpopular

675
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: in California. That's an option. Perhaps the presidency is an

676
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: option down the road in twenty thirty two if the

677
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight election goes a certain way. So, like

678
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: I said, there's parts of this book that I'm really

679
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: glad she did. I don't know if this helps her

680
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: politically in their long run, but I will say this

681
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: paints a picture of a human being who was put

682
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: in a near impossible situation, and at the end of

683
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: the day, she came a lot. When you really think

684
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: about everything that was working against her, I could argue

685
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: it's remarkable how close she got to the presidency given

686
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: the circumstances with which she inherited that nomination. All right,

687
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: with that, I'm gonna sneak in a break for those

688
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: of you listening to it, and I'm all in one

689
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: fell swoop my interview with christ Delusia, and then after

690
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: that my top five list. Warning has a little bit

691
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: of a sports team and a few questions. So with that,

692
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm doing my top five list for the week. Top

693
00:41:52,400 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: five top to my top five football coaches, either college

694
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: or pro. So I have a combined list here who

695
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: are most likely not to be had football coaches before

696
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: the end of this calendar year. Now I already had

697
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: to redo the I made this list this on Tuesday morning,

698
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: decided I was going to make this my top five list.

699
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: Have a little little lighter turn here, and before I

700
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: taped my Gundhy of Oklahoma State, who I had number

701
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: one on my list most likely not to return, was

702
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: indeed shown the door at Oklahoma State. Former quarterback for

703
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State, winning his coach of all time in Oklahoma State.

704
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 1: It's pretty clear that ever since T Boone Pickens passed away,

705
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: he was the sugar daddy for that football program, the

706
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: famous oil wildcatter. I guess you might call him T

707
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: Boon just whatever, you know, T Boom just everybody knew

708
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: who he was to a point there they play on

709
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: te Boom Pickens Field for a reason. He paid for it.

710
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: But he you know, when he was at the peak

711
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: of his giving power to that football program Oklahoma State,

712
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: they came really close to breaking through into the elite.

713
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: They never quite got there, got a few ten win seasons.

714
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: But I will say this, Mike Gandhy, I'm going to

715
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: miss one of my favorite all time rants, Myke Gundy is.

716
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: There are a lot of and I may make this

717
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: a top five list, right Jim Morris Senior Playoffs, one

718
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: of the great coaching rants, the late Dennis Green. They

719
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: are who we thought they were. Well, Mike Gandhy has

720
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: one of the great coaching rants when he says I'm

721
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. If you've never heard or seen

722
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: the rant, it's from a good fifteen years ago. Because

723
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: I think he's in it. I think he and I

724
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: are about the same age. I think he's in his

725
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: mid mid fifties these days. It's still a great every

726
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: once in a while when people ride in to my

727
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: friend Tony Kornheiser's show, they like to say, Hey, I

728
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: just became a man. I turned forty. It is one

729
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: of my favorite rants. So if you have a few

730
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 1: minutes and you've never heard it, go on YouTube Mike Gundhy,

731
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: I'm a man, I'm forty. Now. He actually was doing

732
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: something that I agreed with at the time. He was

733
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: beating up reporters for beating up college kids in the paper,

734
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: like you know, saying come after me, I'm a man.

735
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: So I actually empathized with what he was ranting about.

736
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: And if I played for him as a player, i'd

737
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: feel good that he had my back. So I actually

738
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: think the rant is kind of empathetic, but it's an

739
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: al teimer. But it means he's not on my list.

740
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: So now I'm going to give you my top five

741
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: list and people that barely didn't make it, And I

742
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: think this is the order of most likely to lose

743
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: their job before the end of the calendar year. Top five.

744
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to start my number one now my number

745
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: one was Gundy. My number one now is Mike McDaniel

746
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: of the Miami Dolphins. And I know some of you go,

747
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: how come that's not your favorite team. If you've heard

748
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: me before, you know my dad was a Packer fan

749
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: growing up, and yeah, he brainwashed me to be a

750
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: Packer fan. He loved the Hurricanes but hated the Dolphins,

751
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: and he used to blame the Dolphins for stealing concessions

752
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 1: money at the Orange Bowl from the Hurricanes, which was true.

753
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: By the way, the Dolphins are better landlords now to

754
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: the Hurricanes at hard Rock Stadium than they ever were

755
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: when they were our landlords at the Orange Bowl. By

756
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: the way, just can we please build a University of

757
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: Miami its own stadium at Tropical Park. Please, please please.

758
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: It's an obvious answer. Let's just get it done, everybody.

759
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Rakotovich, whoever's listening, coach Crystal Ball, Please, guys,

760
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: let's just build the stadium Tropical Park, you know where.

761
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: It is not far from Campus Expressway. Oriented can still

762
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: have some beautiful high school fields. It can be an

763
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: incredible complex. Let's get her done on that. So anyway,

764
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel, Miami Dolphins Number one. Does he even make

765
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: it to Thanksgiving? Right? I think that's a fair question.

766
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 1: My number two is also going to stick to the NFL,

767
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: and it's to the head coach that's ruining one of

768
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,479
Speaker 1: my favorite new players in the NFL, my Man cam Ward,

769
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: and it's Brian. I think it's Brian Callahan. I have

770
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: to say, I'm loving the fact that Bill Simmons and

771
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: cousin sal are referring to Callahan as Tommy Boy, noting

772
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: that it was Callahan Auto parts if you remember all

773
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: of that business back in the Tommy Boy day. So

774
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: they're referring to him as Tommy Boy because he is

775
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: the son of a coach who was a lot more

776
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: successful than so far this coach, Kylahan has been. He

777
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: cam Ward's running for his life. They put him in

778
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: all sorts of bad situations. There's no doubt. I do

779
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: think that they probably know they've got there. They don't

780
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: have the right coach for the talent that they have

781
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: in cam Ward. I think they're going to quickly realize

782
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: they need to get a better coach in there and

783
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 1: in their fast so that they don't waste So essentially,

784
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: cam Wore doesn't turn into Trevor Lawrence. So he's my

785
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: number two. My number three is out of the college ranks,

786
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: and I think it's Luke Fickle of Wisconsin. I do

787
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: not think he makes it to the rest of the y.

788
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: He might make the end of the season, but this

789
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: is a football team that has taken a step backwards.

790
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: Wisconsin football is another one like Oklahoma State. It gets

791
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: so close to breaking into that top tier. They're sort

792
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: of almost They were almost there under Billimah Right, it

793
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: came so close of breaking into the Ohio State Michigan

794
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: category of the Big Ten. And they were, you know,

795
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: not always kind of on the outside looking in, always

796
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: a game away, maybe even would pull it up set

797
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: over in Ohio State every now and then, but could

798
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: never do it both in Ohio State or at Penn

799
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: State in the same year. Or they blow a dumb

800
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: game against Iowa or Minnesota, you know, when one of

801
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: those old trophy games that the Big Ten has all

802
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: over the place. Look, I thought Fickle was a good

803
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: hire for Wisconsin when they hired him after he took

804
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: University of Cincinnati to the College Football Playoff. That team

805
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: produced all sorts of NFL talent. I don't know what's

806
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: going on, whether it's bringing in the wrong offense, sort

807
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: of moving away from building your football team from the

808
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: inside out. I mean, one thing Wisconsin used to have

809
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: was an incredible offensive line that always sent guys to

810
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: the NFL. That also created all sorts of great running

811
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: backs that also seem to always make it in the NFL.

812
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: They kind of lost their identity and they didn't know

813
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: how to and then I think now they need to

814
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: rebuild it a little bit. And you know, Fickle is

815
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: likely to succeed somewhere else. This is just not Sometimes

816
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: you have two good people that are just not going

817
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: to make a good marriage. And I have a feeling

818
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: that looks like Luke Fickle and Wisconsin football are not

819
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: a good marriage. So he's number three. Number four on

820
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: my list is Dabo is And this is one of

821
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: those where the hardest thing for any football team program

822
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: that succeeds right. We saw it with Bill Belichick and

823
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: the Patriots. We saw it with Don shul and the

824
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: Dolphins when I in the in the in the mid nineties,

825
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: is how long you know, what kind of shelf life

826
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: does your success, what kind of you know, how much

827
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: does your previous success. You know how much leeway does

828
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: that give you to have mediocrity going forward? Right? Eventually,

829
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: Texas sort of got tired of mac Brown not playing

830
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: for title games, even though he brought a national title

831
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: to a school that hadn't had a national title in

832
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: over thirty years. The Patriots six Super Bowls, but the

833
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: last couple of years without Brady didn't look really good

834
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: at all and didn't look like they were making any progress.

835
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: And this is one It's sort of like when you

836
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: see marriages run their course, right, relationships can run their course.

837
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: It's possible Dabo and Clemson are just simply run their course.

838
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: Could I see Dabo going to a place like UCLA

839
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: and rebuilding it from the bottom up and giving them

840
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: a new identity and culture. Dabo strikes me as somebody

841
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: that knows how to build a culture where culture's been lost. Right.

842
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: I think in some ways he he struggled to pivot

843
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: to the new environment. He's fallen behind, and all of

844
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's really hard to catch up when you've

845
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: set the bar as high as he did, and he

846
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: really did. So it just feels like this is one

847
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: of those where it's in the again. Like fickle, This

848
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: might be in the best interest of both parties here, right,

849
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: Dabo could use a fresh start, take a year off,

850
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 1: go somewhere else, and Clemson can go bring in somebody

851
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: a bit younger that's ready to just you know that

852
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: that will just embrace the new era of college sports

853
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: and how it works, and you know, not ignore one

854
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: side or the other. It's no doubt Dabo's stuck it.

855
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: And you by the way, I watched a lot of

856
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: College Game Day this last week on purpose because I

857
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: was trying to see if you know. It was at

858
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: the University of Miami. My daughter was all excited about it.

859
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 1: She was in there, so we caught her a few

860
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: times on the broadcast. But they did a whole segment

861
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: on this, and it felt like Nick Saban was saying, Hey,

862
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: if you don't like it, you should walk. If you

863
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: don't like this new system, you know, you either adopt

864
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: or die. Right, Saban decided he was too old to

865
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: adapt to another way of doing business and he was

866
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: done and he wasn't going to do it this way.

867
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: I think Mike Krzyzewski made that decision in college basketball,

868
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: and you sort of get it right. You got to

869
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: know if you can't do that, it's and I'm going

870
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: to guess, you know, if Dabo, if he says I'm

871
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: going to change and I'm willing to do this, Clemson's

872
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: going to give him the benefit of doubt. I'm just

873
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: not sure we're in that space right there. So I've

874
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: Dabo at four and now I got to put Billy

875
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: Napier at five of the Florida Gators. I have a

876
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: few other people receiving votes. I think the Raheem Morse

877
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons, and Damiko Ryans of the Houston Texans

878
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: both oh and three starts. You've got a quarterbacks that

879
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: you thought were going to be good who aren't good.

880
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: What's going on there? I think if you told me

881
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: both the Texans and the Falcons had new head coaches

882
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: for the start of next season wouldn't completely surprise me.

883
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: But it also if you told me they each got

884
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: one more year. I definitely think in the Rahee mor situation,

885
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: he's got an older owner. It's the same issue with

886
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel Steve Ross. He's got an older owner and

887
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: Arthur Blank who's desperate to watch his team win a

888
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and he may be a bit quick with

889
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: the trigger trigger finger there on that. So those are

890
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: two that are others receiving votes. But my number five

891
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: is Billy Napier because I just understand how the world

892
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: of Florida Gator football works. Right, They're never satisfied. This

893
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: is they have fired twice. They have fired ten win coaches.

894
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: By the way, Dan Mullen, who's over at UNLV, a

895
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: former Florida Gators coach, I think, is undefeated. Now. Look,

896
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: he was not considered the best recruiter at a time

897
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: when recruiting was at a premium, especially in as competitive

898
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 1: of a state as Florida is for college football. There's

899
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: just a ton of impatience and a ton of money,

900
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: and that combination means you'll find the buyout number four billion.

901
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: The fact you know they could have do I think

902
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: that he could? You know, I think he could coach

903
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: his way out off the hot seat, because I think

904
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: there are some Gator boosters who realize they've given them

905
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: on coaches too soon. But you know, the problem is

906
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: you can't be perpetually on the hot seat and think

907
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: that recruiting is gonna go well. Right, everybody reads these

908
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 1: message boards. Everybody knows what's going on in the behind

909
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: the scenes in these programs. So I will say this,

910
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: if Florida's gonna you know, they they do they go Dabo, right,

911
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: they ought to go big. Do they go after Lane Kiffin?

912
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: I do think this unless they it's possible that the

913
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: Billy Napier's job is saved, because they're not going to

914
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: do this unless they know they can get just a

915
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: huge splash, giant name type of thing that could that

916
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: can you know, the only two times they've had success

917
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: is when they did get the giant name, right, Steve

918
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: Spurrier on that front. And of course Urban Meyer. Sorry

919
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm always used to calling him the urban myth, but

920
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: at the un City of Florida, he was. He was

921
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: certainly in Ohio State. Can't sit there and say he

922
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: wasn't successful in college football. Those only only two real

923
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: successful long term runs that they've had, and it's when

924
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: they've they've had the big splash with sort of the

925
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: big coach. You know, maybe they go after the Texas

926
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: tech guy who's apparently a recruiting maven. Florida's got that

927
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: kind of wealth. Uh, And so that's why I do

928
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: think they will be careful with this one because they're

929
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: getting a reputation of firing coaches too often and too

930
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: many of them. But anyway, there's my top five list, McDaniel, Callahan, Fickle, Dabo,

931
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: and Billy. We shall see how many any of those

932
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: five make it to the end of the calendar year.

933
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: If Steven A. Smith can do politics, I can do

934
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: sports every now and then. All right, with that, let

935
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: me take a few questions, ask Chuck. All right, I'm

936
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: going to try to do three or four here, not

937
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: to overload you. You know, I'm getting for those of

938
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: you that listen separately here this is going to an hour.

939
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to go no more than ten

940
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: minutes with these questions. First one comes from Chris k

941
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: and he writes, Chuck, my question is hopefully light, but

942
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: we'll see where you take it. Over the past year,

943
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: the phrase writ large seems to have taken over podcasts

944
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: and news shows. I hear it everywhere, and it's distracting,

945
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: like that Full Metal Jacket scene where the editor swaps

946
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: search and destroyer, first, sweep and clear. Am I imagining things?

947
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: Or is writ large having a moment? And have you

948
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: ever been given specific newsroom guidance on language like that,

949
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: or have your own pet pee phrases from interviews Chris

950
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: k go hawks. I've not noticed the writ large thing,

951
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: but but I will. I will concede the point that

952
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 1: we're starting. I guess people are looking for different ways

953
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: of saying et cetera. Maybe maybe that's what they're looking for,

954
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: the writ large moment. But I'll give you two quick

955
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: little examples of the language police that I dealt with.

956
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: And how a tick that I have that some of

957
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: you may already know if you've followed my career on

958
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: television over the last twenty years, and that is I

959
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: have successfully gotten rid of ums. And Ah's right. That's

960
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: always the first attempt when you're doing television. You don't

961
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: want to get caught saying and awe. But sometimes you

962
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,959
Speaker 1: need a second to think and to put a thought

963
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: together before you utter a sentence. And I do have

964
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: a crutch where I use one word more than any other.

965
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: And if you know me, well you'll know what word

966
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,959
Speaker 1: it is. It is look. And I remember I don't

967
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 1: I remember suddenly noticing that I was using the word

968
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,959
Speaker 1: look a lot because I notice that Barack Obama used

969
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: look a lot, and it was and I don't know,

970
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: maybe covering him. I started using it as as hearing

971
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: it and using it, but I noticed how he used it,

972
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: which was it was there was always a long pause

973
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: after look. It was a thinking word, and that's how

974
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: I've used look. The reason I use a word like

975
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: that is so that I don't on well, you know,

976
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: like right, you don't want any of those things. When

977
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: I first started doing some C Span hits back in

978
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: my old hotline days, the you know's, the ums, all

979
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: of that was happening quite a bit because there was

980
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: always this fear of letting there be dead air. And

981
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things about dead air is

982
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: that you, the listener or watcher, do not notice a

983
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: second of dead air the way those of us on

984
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: the other side notice it. We think a second of

985
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: dead air sounds like a minute of dead air, and

986
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: so there's this immediate instinct to fill it with something.

987
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: You know, A verbal tick will do that, right, you know,

988
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: and a a look. So that's an example of one

989
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: way of I don't think i'd do it large, but

990
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: I do think I know I lean on the word

991
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: look when I'm in a reactive or responsive situation. When

992
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: I'm a guest on a show somebody else's show, and

993
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: I'm being asked a question that I don't know what

994
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to be asked. I will, I will lean

995
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: on that crutch of look as far as language police

996
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: stuff that is. I will tell you one example where

997
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: I've always had a clash with my standards, whoever was

998
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: in charge of standards. And I say it with love.

999
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: I love my standard, I love the team at Standards

1000
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: that I worked with the entire time I was at NBC.

1001
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: But it would be over the issue of abortion. You know.

1002
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: The AP style guide said that you should always refer

1003
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: to as abortion rights activists and anti abortion rights activists.

1004
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: I came of a I came of age and I

1005
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: started writing about politics in the early nineties, and I

1006
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: worked for an organization that had a separate newsletter called

1007
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: The Abortion Report. Was at the Hotline, and we covered

1008
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: the politics of reproductive rights. And we had a policy

1009
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: that said, we are going to call each side what

1010
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: they want to be called pro The pro abortion right

1011
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: side wanted pro choice, the anti abortion right side wanted

1012
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: pro life. Each side didn't like that we used the

1013
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: other side's language, which we thought was the fairest way

1014
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: to do it. This is who they want to how

1015
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: they want to be portrayed, and and you know, look,

1016
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: language matters. The choice of words you take can send

1017
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: a message of bias in one way or the other.

1018
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: Simply you know that that word anti can be just

1019
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: negative and come across it. It's a negative to be

1020
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: anti abortion rights, right, That's why they wanted to be

1021
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: referred on the pro life side. And why did they

1022
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: say choice because they didn't want to imply that they

1023
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: were pro abortion right right. The right wanted to call

1024
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: it pro abortion. The left want to call it anti

1025
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,959
Speaker 1: anti rights. So that's always been something my I consistently

1026
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: would just sit with pro choice, pro life, and that's

1027
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: how I referred because that's what they wanted to be

1028
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: referred to as on each side. And that's still my

1029
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: instinct when it comes to descriptions and sort of issues

1030
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: that are that divisive like that that if there's an

1031
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: if the advocates have sort of accepted language, I'm comfortable

1032
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: using their language, noting it's their language, especially if there

1033
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: feels that there's you know that that each side of

1034
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: that debate has a specific language, and you know, the

1035
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: people that would complain are the ones that want me

1036
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: to essentially put my finger on the scale for one

1037
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: side or the other. And I just use that example

1038
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: because you said I could. You didn't know where I

1039
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: was going to take it, So I still don't think

1040
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: to this day now I think it's I think, frankly,

1041
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: the divide now is between access and are you for

1042
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: access to abortion or against access? Pro access anti? So

1043
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: I do think the whole thing is a little bit

1044
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: even more convoluted of what language you use to describe

1045
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: the situation. I think you try. I accept the premise

1046
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: of using as neutral of a word, neutral of words

1047
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:43,959
Speaker 1: as possible. I am careful the anti aspect. Just using

1048
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: the word anti, I think introduces prejudicial language to one

1049
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: side of the argument, even if that is not the intent,

1050
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: which is why I've been sent. I get a bit

1051
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: sensitive on that, so I just want to I thought

1052
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: i'd share that thinking with you. I'm not saying that

1053
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm right about this, and i'd people have thoughts and

1054
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: ideas on it. I am all ears all right. Next question, Hi, Chuck,

1055
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm a thirty seven year old former pastor and writer

1056
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: filmmaker whose political outlook was shaped by you and Tim Rustbard.

1057
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: I've tried to live by a moderate temperament, but I'm

1058
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: increasingly troubled by legacy media's muted response to what feels

1059
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: like authoritarian behavior from the Trump administration. Do you think

1060
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: journalists who stay silent, especially the CBSABC or NBC, are

1061
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,919
Speaker 1: showing cowardice? Do you see a better way to defend

1062
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: democratic values outside of urging each other to speak out?

1063
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: Andrew Kay, Well, look, I am I am disappointed in

1064
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: the lack of support the current large corporate entities that

1065
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: own so many of these news divisions right now are

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Speaker 1: giving to their journalists. I am glad that I was

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Speaker 1: there when I felt as if I could speak out

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Speaker 1: like I did when I thought our network made a

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Speaker 1: mistake in selling an interview with a paid contributor before

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Speaker 1: for they were ever vetted in ron A Romney. I

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Speaker 1: didn't get fired for that, right they They didn't push

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Speaker 1: me out. They sort of you know so. And I

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Speaker 1: wasn't banned from any part of NBC from speaking or

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Speaker 1: anything like that. I felt as if I did. I

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Speaker 1: was in an environment that supported that. I am concerned

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Speaker 1: that nobody at these networks feels like they have that

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Speaker 1: kind of support. Just look at the examples. We know

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Speaker 1: it's not true. At ABC, look what they did to

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Speaker 1: George Stephanopoulos, right they allowed a bogus lawsuit to be

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Speaker 1: to essentially humiliate the news division unfairly. CBS did the

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Speaker 1: same thing by not standing by sixty minutes with its

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Speaker 1: editorial decisions. So I am concerned that right now. It's

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Speaker 1: why I don't I'm not going to criticize the journalists

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Speaker 1: in any of these networks right now because of how

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Speaker 1: it does appear that fit some management is being a

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Speaker 1: bit more aggressive, a bit more And it's not an

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Speaker 1: easy situation. You know, you can sit there and say, well,

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Speaker 1: why don't they quit or why don't they do this? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, they have a mortgage to pay, they

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Speaker 1: have kids in school, I and you know, there's an

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Speaker 1: argument to be made that their experience is necessary to

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Speaker 1: navigate these choppy waters. So I am concerned about it.

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Speaker 1: I thought one of the things that we needed to

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Speaker 1: do better in all of media is to be more

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Speaker 1: direct and blunt and not round the edges so much.

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Speaker 1: And I think if you could criticize me and others

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Speaker 1: for anything, is our attempts sometimes at rounding the edges

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Speaker 1: too often on some stories because yeah, this isn't authoritarianism,

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Speaker 1: or this is aggressively you know, things like that. I

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Speaker 1: do think you get. I do think words matter, though,

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Speaker 1: and that if you if you want to reach the

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Speaker 1: broadest possible people, then you don't want to use words

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Speaker 1: that you know, antagonize one side or the other politically,

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Speaker 1: if your attempt is to convey a message that's broader

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Speaker 1: than a political than taking a political side. So I

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Speaker 1: agree that it feels a bit muted, but I really

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Speaker 1: think this isn't about the journalists. This is about their

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Speaker 1: bosses and these parent companies. And it goes back to

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Speaker 1: what I said at the start of this podcast that look,

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Speaker 1: I trust the voters at this point to be the

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Speaker 1: bulwark against this because it's clear corporate America isn't it's

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Speaker 1: clear the Supreme Court isn't. It's clear Congress isn't. Right.

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Speaker 1: The only backbone that is left that matters is the

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Speaker 1: American voter. By the way, it's the only backbone that

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Speaker 1: has always mattered. Ultimately, you know, the more backbone the

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Speaker 1: voter shows, the more backbone reactionary backbone. That corporate entities

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Speaker 1: will grow, that academic institutions will grow, and that different

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Speaker 1: branches of government will grow on that front, all right,

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Speaker 1: very quickly. Here third one, Hey, this isnt a this

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Speaker 1: is just a comment, and I'm sent a picture. Let's

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Speaker 1: see here if I can somehow I will. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to do my best to show the picture. Look at

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Speaker 1: this sort of real technology. Somebody just wanted to send

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Speaker 1: me an example of shrinkflation at Costco. What you are

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Speaker 1: staring at? There, he goes, You've experienced chicken thigh shrinkflation

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Speaker 1: at Trader Joe's, but I have seen it at Costco.

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Speaker 1: Used to get thirty six raisors for about twenty five dollars,

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Speaker 1: now it's thirty for about thirty two dollars. Love the podcast, Bryant,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Brian. Anybody else experiencing new shrinkflation out there, please

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Speaker 1: do share those images and go ahead and share those numbers,

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Speaker 1: those anecdotes with me. I think they're all very helpful.

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Speaker 1: So with that, I've gone over an hour on the

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Speaker 1: non interview side of things. So even though there's about

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Speaker 1: four or five more great questions, I will get to

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Speaker 1: them on the next episode of the Check podcast, which

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Speaker 1: comes to you in just twenty four hours. So with that,

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Speaker 1: until we upload again,