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Speaker 1: Hey guys, Welcome back to another episode of the Professional

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Speaker 1: Homegirl Podcast. I am your host, Ebeney, and as we

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Speaker 1: conclude our spooky series, what better way to embrace the

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Speaker 1: Halloween spirit than by diving into the fascinating rim of aliens,

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Speaker 1: UFOs and all the mysteries surrounding them. Join us for

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Speaker 1: a captivating conversation with a season ufologist on this special

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Speaker 1: episode starting now. So, thank you so much for being

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Speaker 1: a guest on the show. To my guests, how you doing,

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Speaker 1: How you feeling?

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Speaker 2: I'm okay, I'm nervous, but I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Why are you nervous?

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Speaker 2: Because I am an introvert, I mean a serious introvert.

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Speaker 2: So I do social settings and I can be very sociable,

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Speaker 2: but it is not my favorite thing. So and being

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Speaker 2: out front, and you know that's hard for me.

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Speaker 1: Listen, by the time we've done with this conversation, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna feel like it's two homegirls just catching up.

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Speaker 2: Don't be nervous, I'm with it.

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Speaker 1: So how did you become interested in yourfology and what

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Speaker 1: motivated you to study UFOs?

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Speaker 2: Well, I've been fascinated by UFO since I was a

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Speaker 2: little kid. I always felt in my gut that there

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Speaker 2: was something to it, that there was something, you know,

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Speaker 2: more than just crazy people making things up. You know.

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Speaker 2: I know there's some of that, you know, in the phenomenon,

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Speaker 2: but I felt like there was a kernel of truth

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Speaker 2: and you know, I had a family, I had full

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Speaker 2: really focus on that, you know, I was so preoccupied

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Speaker 2: with making life go right. But I reached a moment

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Speaker 2: everybody bashes the Ancient Aliens, but I'm gonna tell you

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Speaker 2: that really sparked something in me. What is that? Ancient

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Speaker 2: Aliens is a show, a series. Giorgio Suklos is the

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Speaker 2: host of that show, and he explores ancient sites ruins

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Speaker 2: and so yeah, he explores all this these ancient philosophies

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is your ship because you you just

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Speaker 1: light up.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 1: So what challenges are obstacles? Do you you follow just

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Speaker 1: face when conducting their research? And how do you address

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Speaker 2: Well, to be honest, I don't do a lot of investigations.

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Speaker 2: I'm a member of Movefin and I'm a field investigator

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Speaker 2: for Movefin, and I, you know, really watched ancient Aliens

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Speaker 2: for years and then decided that this was something I

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Speaker 2: always explain to people that to me, it's like a puzzle.

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Speaker 2: And you know how when you're putting together a puzzle

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Speaker 2: and you start scooting similar pieces.

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Speaker 1: And you know, one colors together, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you then you start putting that little section

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Speaker 2: I started researching all of these sightings, what happened, what

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Speaker 2: And this was one of the biggest challenges. Who's making

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of my questions.

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Speaker 2: But go ahead and what really you know, what are

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Speaker 2: the ones where something really happened? What are the credible sightings.

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Speaker 2: That was fascinating to me because I started to see

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Speaker 2: And I felt not just I want to dig into

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Speaker 2: that's what drives me the challenges. People think you're crazy

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Speaker 1: I do you differentiate between the two?

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Speaker 2: Well, you get things like some of my favorite sightings

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Speaker 2: into this was a siding in Virginia, Brazil where a

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Speaker 1: You talking about like Elien.

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Speaker 2: Beings. Yeah. And the reason I find it to be

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Speaker 1: Do people have pictures of this?

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Speaker 2: They don't have pictures there. I think there was a

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Speaker 2: So I find that to be extremely credible. And then

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Speaker 2: He said he was here, There was a fence, there

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Speaker 2: He stood there and he said, this is it, This

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Speaker 1: So what happened to the other aliens being is that

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Speaker 2: They apparently spirited away two of them, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what happened to them after that. But

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Speaker 2: It hung over gate Sea and.

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Speaker 1: It aliens an old block, right, ain't no way aliots

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Speaker 2: They did, And I can't say it was aliens because

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Speaker 2: I've learned that through all the research that I've done,

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Speaker 2: so most of it is probably advanced technology that we

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Speaker 1: Man, you got my wheels going.

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Speaker 2: It's fascinating.

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Speaker 1: No, it is, It definitely is. So have you faced

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Speaker 1: I told you this before, and I told other people

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Speaker 2: Well? I know I have on it, and the reason

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Speaker 2: is use data analysis and cartography to help find patterns

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Speaker 2: We need people to help. And I thought, you know what,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can tell when I ask you the question,

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Speaker 2: I'm not triggered.

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Speaker 1: I'm and I think I feel yeah, I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was because I really feel strongly that this

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Speaker 2: But every time I've approached serious groups with it, I've

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Speaker 2: been met with that Oh Another challenge, this is a

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Speaker 2: more lighthearted challenge, is that lighting a black woman on

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Speaker 2: I was in. I was in Aliens and Judson UFOs. Yes,

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Speaker 2: the hair and makeup was Friday, And I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 2: you something. I did my own hair makeup. They didn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta get a sister, be like, come on

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Speaker 2: I thought I looked so cute, and I signed you

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Speaker 1: Right, So what are some what are some common misconceptions

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Speaker 1: But we know who's gonna be friends when they do come.

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Speaker 2: I just think that after everything I've looked into, it

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Speaker 1: Don't hold back now, don't hold back because you got

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Speaker 2: The desire to come down and attack humanity, I don't

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Speaker 2: I'll say that the rabbit hole and the puzzle pieces

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Speaker 2: that's interesting. So how long have they been coming around?

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Speaker 2: Why don't we know this? Why is this secret? And

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Speaker 1: You know, just doing researching it because I read about

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Speaker 2: M it's possible. Yeah, it's possible that they are not

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Speaker 1: You know what's so crazy? I feel like, because I

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you look back at these ancient religion,

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Speaker 2: I am not very religious at all. I'm not a

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Speaker 2: understood how that it never jelled with me, and it

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Speaker 2: just didn't make any sense. So I ended up getting

439
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: getting safe. No, my mom is my family, My whole

440
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: family came from Ringo, Louisiana, but they all came to

441
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: Kansas City when I was a baby and that's where

442
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 2: I was born and raised. So but yeah, we're from

443
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 2: Ringo's getting safe. Yeah. I ended up getting saved when

444
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: I was about seventeen, eighteen years old, and it still

445
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: didn't sit well with me. And then I went through

446
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 2: a phase of fisting the air of black power, angry

447
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 2: about racial you know tensions, and you know, the social

448
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 2: situation for black people here in this country, socioeconomic situation

449
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: for us. So I went through phase of joining the

450
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: nation of Islam and I, yeah, so I have a

451
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: lot of respect. I ended up leaving, and ironically enough,

452
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: the thing that made me leave the Nation of Islam was,

453
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Speaker 2: you know, a lot of the views that they have

454
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Speaker 2: about the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and Master Parah Muhammad being

455
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Speaker 2: on the mother ship. Yeah, I just couldn't do it.

456
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 2: And it didn't make any sense to me. The religious

457
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: part of it didn't make enough sense to me. None

458
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 2: of it did. But the social side of what they

459
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: do is incredible. And I still have a tremendous amount

460
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Speaker 2: of respect for the Nation of Islam and what they

461
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: what their philosophies are, because I believe that if black

462
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: people were to live by that, we would have saved

463
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Speaker 2: ourselves from a lot of the you know pains that

464
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: we went through, especially through the eighties. Yeah, and you know,

465
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Speaker 2: the prison pipeline and the war, drugs and the destruction

466
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 2: of families. I don't think any of that would have

467
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 2: happened if we had gone.

468
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: Our dollars within our community.

469
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Speaker 2: Yes, or just behaving the way that women should behave

470
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: in terms of and I don't want anyone to get

471
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: man and say, what do you mean how.

472
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: Women here we go y'all. I don't mean.

473
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Speaker 2: Subserving it, because that's not what the Nation of Islam teaches.

474
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: They teaches that women. They teach that women are valuable,

475
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 2: women should be women are intelligent, women should be educated,

476
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 2: and generally that men should treat their women like they

477
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: are their high counsel. Yeah, you know you're at the

478
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: right hand of the king. Yeah, there are these traditional

479
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: gender roles, but at the same time, women are valued highly, inprized.

480
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: So I just think that that is a beautiful thing,

481
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 2: especially looking back over what we went through in the eighties,

482
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: just seeing our families ripped apart in a way that

483
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: we hadn't seen before even postly and you know, Jim Crow,

484
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: our families work together and we stuck through it together,

485
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: but eighties hit destruction.

486
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Speaker 1: A little fun fact about me is so I'm obsessed

487
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: with Malcolm X, like he is one of my heroes.

488
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: And I used to love listening to his speeches. Yes,

489
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: like I needed to do. I feel so moved the

490
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: one about the ballot or the bullet. I said, Nah,

491
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: I'm Malcolm, that's it right there, that's it right there,

492
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: right So, yeah, I totally agree with you on certain

493
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: things that they believe in because I do, like I'm

494
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: not Muslim, but I do. I feel like if we

495
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: have a set of principles that we all followed by,

496
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: and especially some of the principles that they believe in,

497
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: I think our community would be in a way better

498
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: shape than it is now.

499
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, they want people to learn about science,

500
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: they want people to be well read, they want women, men, everybody, children,

501
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: you know, educate yourself, know about know the circumference of

502
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: the the planet and the distance to the Sun, and

503
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: that you be resourceful. Oh my goodness, it's it's incredible.

504
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: The social side of what they do, the religious sign

505
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily agree with them. There's some discrepancies about

506
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: the way that, you know, leadership kind of goes about

507
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: conducting things, and I won't dig into that, but you know,

508
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: I had my concerns, so I ended up walking away

509
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: from that.

510
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: Listen, if it's one thing about the podcast the professional hnggir,

511
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna take you to Class. Were talking about God,

512
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: were talking about.

513
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Speaker 2: Geography, Yes, everything. I love these kinds of conversations.

514
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, Me to me too. It's so insightful. Yeah,

515
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: So what do you think is the reason?

516
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: Oh?

517
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: What do you think is the purpose for UFOs or

518
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: just aliens? Like, what do you think that origin come from?

519
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: Because I feel like there's so many different reasons why

520
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: they are here, but what do you believe in?

521
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: Well, I think it does go back to I'm not

522
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: going to call it the creation of humanity or Homo sapiens.

523
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to say it goes back to the development

524
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: of humanity, and the purpose for developing humanity appears to

525
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: be to have served them, and they were presenting themselves

526
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: as gods. So that is an interesting piece of this

527
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: and what I've learned through I'm going to drop the

528
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: name Paul Wallace the Fifth Kind YouTube channel. He teaches

529
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: a tremendous amount about the Old Testament and how it

530
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: was changed, and the way it was changed was so

531
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: substantive it changes the entire meaning of what happened to

532
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: us and why because what they did is they conflated

533
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: many gods quote gods into what looks like one god.

534
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: So they were pushing the monotheistic thing, and so they

535
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: took all of these gods that were acting in the

536
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: Old Testament and made it look like this was our

537
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: God and one God. And that's not what was happening

538
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: in the Old Testament. So that changes the meaning, yeah,

539
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: of all world religions, all religion. It just makes us

540
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: lose sight of what the truth is and what the

541
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: true nature of God is, because when you look at

542
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: the Old Testament, you've got a God that says he's

543
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: jealous God. You got a God that doesn't sound right.

544
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: You got a God that was violent and genocidal and

545
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: angry and ready to murder entire cities, kill them all,

546
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: kill the kids, kill the Does that sound like a beneficent, merciful, benevolent, loving,

547
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: turn the other cheek God?

548
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: So what can we believe it?

549
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: Well? I think that when you look at the ascended

550
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: masters like Christ and Buddha and you get to the

551
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: source of where God is, and you always end up

552
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: being led by them back to light and love and

553
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: you know, raising yourself to that that higher level and

554
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: conducting yourselves at that higher level. I think you really

555
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: get to the source when you listen to the ascended

556
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: masters teach about what God is and what that higher

557
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: power is. Christ was bringing truth about God. And it's

558
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: interesting because part of the one of the rabbit holes

559
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: and one of the puzzle sections was near death experiences

560
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: for me. I when I've realized that it's possible that

561
00:32:52,680 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: ancient beings were developing us as a species to serve them,

562
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: my question became, so we have the technology right now

563
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: to go out and do a you know, develop a

564
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: clone or melt some DNA together and make a new species.

565
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: We could do that right now. My question became, what

566
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: populates that that body? What agreement or what you know?

567
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: Was there some sort of agreement with the creator to

568
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: populate this body with a spirit. So that's something I'm

569
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: looking into. And I've been told that there are some

570
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: answers about that in the Ultrahaces I hope I'm saying

571
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: it right, and other Holy Holy texts, and so I'm

572
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: doing more research into that. I'm not gonna speak on

573
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: that because I'm not well versed on it, but that

574
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: came up for me, like, Okay, so there's the topic

575
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: of the body and there's the topic of the spirit,

576
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: and there are two different topics overlapping but very different.

577
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: So I started looking into near death expersperiences because I'm like, okay,

578
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: so let's talk about this spirit experience.

579
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Speaker 1: I have not Okay, I have not Okay. I thought

580
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: that's what you was saying, But okay.

581
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 2: No, no, no, But I've looked at so many of them

582
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: because in my data brain, I'm going, what's the same

583
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: in all of them? There's a lot that's different amongst them,

584
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 2: but what is the common thread in all of them?

585
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: And so that should teach us something about this spirit

586
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: that populates that body. And the things that they say

587
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: that seem to be pretty common in all of the

588
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 2: near death experiences is that we choose to come here.

589
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: We choose to come here, We choose our lives, we

590
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: choose our parents. Really, that's what a lot of them say,

591
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: not every single one of them, but a lot of

592
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 2: them are saying we choose our life.

593
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: Now are they saying this? Because I that's one of

594
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Speaker 1: the that's a topic that I really want to have

595
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: on the show, is someone who experienced a near different experience,

596
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: because I think that is that is.

597
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: Like beyond fascinating.

598
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: But do they get this information from either speaking to

599
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: the beings or speaking to God or going through the

600
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: Akashic records.

601
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: Well, they don't ever mention like a kashak records, but

602
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: what they mentioned is that they leave their body. Some

603
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: of them see their body. They you know, are in

604
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: the room. They go through the hospital or whatever building

605
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: they're in, and they see their loved ones and then

606
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 2: they go up. Sometimes they go upward. Then there's a

607
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: there's a tunnel. Sometimes there's just instantaneously they appear, you know,

608
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: with the light. There's always this light, right, and this

609
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: light is loving and warm, and sometimes they see relatives.

610
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: Sometimes they don't, but you know, sometimes they learn things

611
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: and they're being taught things about why they were here,

612
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: and they get to decide whether they a lot of

613
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: times they get to decide whether they come back or not.

614
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: Sometimes they're told, no, you got to go back, it's

615
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: not your time. And that is absolutely fascinating to me,

616
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: this common theme of love, and it goes back to

617
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: Christ and Buddha and all of the ascended masters that

618
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 2: teach you know, peace and love and that called turn

619
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: the other cheek, and that sounds more like the God

620
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 2: you know that we that we're familiar with in Christianity.

621
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: And I'm not a Christian, i am I'm not any

622
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: religion and I'm not against any religion either. I'm accepting

623
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: of all religions and wherever people are is where they are.

624
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: But that concept of love and light is what Christ

625
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: was teaching, and that's what everyone that has a near

626
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: death experience, almost everyone tends to talk about. There are

627
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: a few that say they go to the lake of

628
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: fire and they but not very many. Most people go

629
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: to the light. Man.

630
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: Imagine backing God to stay because you don't want to

631
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: come back home and pay bills, like please God, alright.

632
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: Like God, please don't make me go back.

633
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: And a lot of people please, A lot.

634
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: Of people say that I don't want to go back.

635
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: Don't make me go back, please.

636
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: Wow.

637
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 2: They beg to not go back. Some people and they're

638
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: made to come back, but they're told that. I think

639
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: that the lesson, the lessons we gain here evolve our spirit.

640
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: So even though the body and the spirit are two

641
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: different things, they're overlapping and they affect one another. We

642
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: can't be sitting up there in love and perfection and

643
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: learn a lot, you know about navigating you know, any

644
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: any kind of difficulties. You know, there doesn't appear to

645
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: be difficulties there, you know, in that realm, So you

646
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: have to almost I call it it's a it's a deployment.

647
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 2: When you come to earth, you get deployed to earth,

648
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: and you you get to experience this linear version of time.

649
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: Because there there is no linear version of time. Everything

650
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 2: can happen instantaneously, all at once. You can see previous lives,

651
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 2: you know, other existences, maybe that you've that you've had.

652
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: There's some of that that happens, and it's it's fascinating.

653
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

654
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: So you believe in reincarnation.

655
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 2: I do now after And it's crazy how this UFO

656
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 2: thing led me through all of the reality back full

657
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 2: circle right back to religion, Like how do UFOs lead

658
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: me back around to my faith and religion. I believe

659
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,959
Speaker 2: in God. I believe. I believe that God is light.

660
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 2: I believe that when I leave this body that I

661
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: will go back to the light. I believe that we

662
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 2: are all a part of the light. We are a

663
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: piece of God's light. We all carry a piece. We

664
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 2: are light.

665
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: Beings well God, all of us. Yeah, and we are

666
00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: all one.

667
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah to what you just said, we are all one.

668
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 2: I believe that. I don't know. I believe that's we're

669
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: not aware of it. A lot of people are aware

670
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: of these and it's it's a beautiful thing when a

671
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: person becomes aware that they are pure, Like.

672
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe that we are all here for the

673
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: greater good. I feel like we all have a purpose,

674
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's the what do you call

675
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: that thing? The butterfly flex? So if one person does something,

676
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: I feel like that offset a lit yes.

677
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 2: A domino effect.

678
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: I destely believe that.

679
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: I believe that, and I think that we're here to

680
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: learn and we take those lessons back with us to

681
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: the spirit realm. So I you know, sometimes I feel down.

682
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: I like everybody, you know you have some problems and

683
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: you feel down. I always stop and ask myself, now,

684
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, you got to get

685
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: grounded again, because you're forgetting who you are and what

686
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: you are? Why are you here? What is your purpose?

687
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: And if I'm a light being, then my my purpose

688
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: is to spread light whatever I do through my day,

689
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: through my life, that is the mission is to spread

690
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: light in every way I can. So I get back

691
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: into that. And when I get back into that, that

692
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: gets me grounded and I get back on my mission,

693
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: Like how can I spread light today?

694
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: And you know when you're on your mission, you can

695
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: feel it. Oh yeah, yeah, like I know I'm in

696
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: my purpose. Like I feel like like I'm I'm well.

697
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: We both talked about how we retired. But like I

698
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: feel like when I'm working on my business or like

699
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: having conversation with women like yourself, like I know this

700
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: is my lane because it feels good.

701
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, Yeah, yes, ma'am yeah, And you're good at this.

702
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: It feels like you're really good at this, and you

703
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: it's given the passion for this? Is it given? Oprah?

704
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 2: Oprah is a animal alter all by herself. She is

705
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: a force. But I really think you're good at this,

706
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: and I'm honored to that you invited me on the show,

707
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: so I get it. I feel like I've stepped into

708
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: my purpose kind of. I feel like I know what

709
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: my purpose is and I've stepped in it as much

710
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: as I can. Given the limitations of this society and

711
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 2: this life and this body and this linear experience of

712
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: time that I'm experiencing. There are limitations, but you try

713
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: to touch your purpose the best way that you can.

714
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 1: That part.

715
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: When I was little, my mother asked me what I

716
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: want to be when I grow up. I wanted to

717
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: be a veterinarian because I love animals. I didn't want

718
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: to really be a veterinarian. That's the only animal job

719
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: I knew. But I wanted to work with animals or

720
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: I wanted to be in entertainment, and those were my

721
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 2: I thought I wanted to sing, but I realized y

722
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: later singing ain't my thing. I mean, I'm the goodness singer.

723
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: Let's be honest.

724
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: I think this a little tune.

725
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? You're not kidding like that tonight

726
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: aving a But I tell you, I think my I

727
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: was just talking to a friend about this yesterday or

728
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 2: day before yesterday, that I think my talent in music

729
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: was that I have a great ear, I have a

730
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 2: good eye. I used to a friend of mine pulled

731
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 2: me into artist management and taught me, you know, that

732
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: side of the of the music business, and taught me

733
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: about record deals. And you know, I really dug into

734
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 2: artist management. And I'm good at looking at a person

735
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: and helping craft their image, hearing songs and knowing what

736
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: is what works and what doesn't. And I think I

737
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 2: would have been a great an r REP. I think

738
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: it is at this point for that, for that, but

739
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: I have a you know, it's not I'm I'm the

740
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 2: kind of person. I'm like water. You know, if one

741
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: path is blocked, I reroute and I try to find

742
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: another route. That I'm just just passionate about.

743
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: I like that analogy because I love water. Water like

744
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: recharges me. So I got to steal that one.

745
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, be like water. That's a Bruce leeism. Yeah,

746
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: like water, my friend, and that's powerful stuff.

747
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: Just reroute, yeah, reroute, It'll figure it. It'll figure your

748
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: stuff out.

749
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: That's right. Now.

750
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: We spoke about the equipment. So were you able to

751
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: determine any patterns or trends when it comes to UFO sitans,

752
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: such as like location times or types of witnesses. No.

753
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: I was never given real access to any data that

754
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: would allow me to glean a pattern. I had some

755
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: great ideas for it, but since then I actually have

756
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: learned that maybe that isn't something I want to do,

757
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 2: believe it or not. Wow, Because when I learned that

758
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 2: most of what we see in disguise is probably man made,

759
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: then I lost interest in analyzing that data because if

760
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: it's all man made and secret, what's the point then?

761
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: Then what are we doing? If it was extraterrestrial, even

762
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 2: a majority of even half of it, then I would say,

763
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: let's let's look at the patterns, because we can sift

764
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: out what looks man made and what behaves man made,

765
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: and what is what seems more et we can glean

766
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 2: these credible sightings. But there's a moth back there. Yeah.

767
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, I'm like, is this of these.

768
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 2: I've had all kind of little things lining her out.

769
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't see that like I see it.

770
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: I'm just like, look at him. He's trying to be

771
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: all in the interview contact of this conversation. But I

772
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: don't think there's a point in gleaning the data with

773
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: the man made piece of it being so prevalent, right,

774
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: I don't think I think the data is polluted at

775
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 2: this point. I think what's more important is and this

776
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: is another challenge, is that when you hear our government

777
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: talk about the UFO phenomenon, what they're saying is that

778
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: it's a threat to our national security, that they don't

779
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: know what it is, which that's debatable, right, But what

780
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: they know is that it's a threat to national security.

781
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: And that is bothersome because it sounds like what they're

782
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: doing is they're putting out a narrative to get us

783
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: ready for the possibility of like that alien attack alien

784
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: invasion story, which there's a theory that the government has

785
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: been planning to actually stage a UFO, like not an invasion,

786
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: but you know something big with UFOs, that a UFO

787
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: would come down and you know, there would be this aggressive, hostile,

788
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: you know event and.

789
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: Elias. M they're going to be dressed up as Elias.

790
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. I would say that supposedly

791
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: this is something that a theory that's called Project Blue Beam,

792
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: that there's something called Project Blue Beam that is some

793
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: secret plan to stage an alien invasion type event by

794
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: the government. And I'm not sure about how true that is,

795
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: but I think it's interesting that the sightings are always

796
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: couched and you know, it being a threat, and I

797
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: think that there's a better way to approach it. You know,

798
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: if you've got other beings that are coexisting with us

799
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: or visiting us from other planets and other you know,

800
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 2: universes or wherever they're coming from, that's an opportunity for

801
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,959
Speaker 2: to realize that are our existence isn't isolated, and that

802
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: there is a community of beings, you know, out there

803
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 2: a very large community of beings, and that it's time

804
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 2: for some ploonacy. But that's not what's being said. What's

805
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: being put forward is there's a threat right to our

806
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: national security. And I will say this, if there was

807
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: a threat to our national security truly, and if they

808
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: wanted to attack us or destroy us, that would have

809
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 2: happened by now. They certainly have the technology to get

810
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 2: to us or be here with that and be undetected.

811
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: Mostly so why hasn't they happened?

812
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: They outpaced us technologically, why would they not have already

813
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: taken us out if that's what they wanted to do,

814
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: if that was the agenda? Right?

815
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: You know, I was watching an old show of Oprah Winfrey, right,

816
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: and she had this lady on there and she was white,

817
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: and the lady was saying how she was abducted by

818
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: an eliot and Oprah was like, okay, so what does

819
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: it look like? And a woman was describing it and

820
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: she was like, and it was black. So Oprah was like, oh,

821
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: so it's black people in space, so we good. So dude,

822
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: And the only reason why I'm asking this question because

823
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: not only is it hard for me to find women

824
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: like yourself in this industry, but I also feel like,

825
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: and maybe it's just me and you could probably speak

826
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: to it more. I feel like a lot of black

827
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: people that have never can't speak to this.

828
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: I think that's not necessarily true. Okay, I actually was

829
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: involved with it. There was a friend of mine who

830
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 2: is a black guy. He has a podcast and it's

831
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: gotten to be pretty popular. He's gained some traction, and

832
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: he started off on Clubhouse and then it migrated over

833
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: to YouTube and his channel has really gotten big, and

834
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: he really started to champion the idea of black people

835
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: being able to speak up. There's a there's sort of

836
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 2: a stigma in the black community because there's a few

837
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: things happening in the black community with the UFO phenomenon. One,

838
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: people don't speak up if they see something right. Two,

839
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 2: they just don't feel like they can they can talk

840
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 2: about it. And I'm not sure what all the reasons

841
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 2: are for them thinking they can't talk about it, But

842
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: there's that idea. And then there's Christianity that's so prevalent

843
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: in our communities that people differed. Often people say, oh,

844
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 2: those are demons.

845
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: Right, you know, I have a question about that, like,

846
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: do you think the existence of aliens would have implications

847
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: for religious beliefs?

848
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah, Abs solutely bigger than we can imagine. I

849
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: will say that because again, if you go back to

850
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 2: the ancient Sumerian tablets, and if we just wake up

851
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: and look at where the Bible comes from, where that

852
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: actual text of the Bible comes from, then we go

853
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: right back to those Samerian tablets. And if we just

854
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: read the Samerian tablets, readom and there are books that

855
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: compare the verses of the Bible side by side with

856
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: the same verse in the Sumerian tablets, and we'll see

857
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: that there were many gods that the Garden of Eden

858
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: story wasn't you know, the way the Bible depicts it.

859
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: So there was no apple, there was no serpent unless

860
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: according to the according to this marine tablets, there was en,

861
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: lil and and Key. There were two brothers that were

862
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: there overseeing this. I'm gonna call it a project to

863
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: civilize humanity. And they were kind of in battle about

864
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 2: how much the humans should know, how intelligent they should be.

865
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: So I think one of them wanted us to be

866
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: a little more intelligent and to have you know, access,

867
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: and the other was not wanting humanity to be like

868
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: the air quote gods, right, They didn't want them to

869
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: know enough to become like the air quote God. So

870
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: there was this battle, and there was a lot happening.

871
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 2: But those two brothers are key to a lot of

872
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 2: what happened, and even the flood, you know, that is

873
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: talked about in the Bible and in the Samerian text,

874
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: which is very different. In the Samerian text, there was

875
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: again a battle between the two brothers, one wanting to

876
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: give some intel about the flood that was coming and

877
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: tell them how to build this craft that would save

878
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: you know, humanity, and the other brother saying no, let

879
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: them all perish. Wow, And then them actually fighting after

880
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: the one brother finds out that the other brother gave

881
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: you know, some of the humans intail on how to

882
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: save themselves. It's interesting because you've got a group of

883
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: people that landed supposedly on Mount Arat in a vessel

884
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: and repopulated the earth and began civilization again. And there's

885
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: actually some archaeological evidence being uncovered now that alludes to

886
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: those civilizations that may have been taking root, you know,

887
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 2: as a result of those people that came off that boat.

888
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: Man, this is deep.

889
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: It's pretty fascinating.

890
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: So I feel like I already know how you feel

891
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 1: about the government when it comes to UFO. So when

892
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: you how did you feel when you when you found

893
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: out about them find an ET's cousin?

894
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 2: What do you mean ET's cousin?

895
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: Because did they find an alien or they show like

896
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: pictures or something.

897
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: I don't I don't remember seeing that.

898
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: Really, it was like recent. It was like everybody was

899
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: talking about.

900
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: It, how recent, like weeks. No, I didn't see that.

901
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: I've been so busy working. I didn't see that.

902
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't read the entire article, and I saw

903
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: glimpses and pictures of it. But they found the remains

904
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: of what looks like to be an alien.

905
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, I'd like to know who they is.

906
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: We always want to know who they is.

907
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'd like to know more about this. I'm

908
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: gonna have to do some digging. Yeah, that's fascinating.

909
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: Not the student teaching, the teacher.

910
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 2: Yeah wow. Yeah, Well it was just like that whole

911
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 2: sighting that happened in Las Vegas here some months back.

912
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: You remember when that happened. Yeah, And at first I

913
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 2: was blown away by that, and then I quickly started

914
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: to see like, hmm, that doesn't make enough sense to me,

915
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: and it just it didn't ring truth to me. Mm

916
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 2: So at first I was blown away.

917
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: So do you ever believe in any of the cases

918
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: that involve potential government or military Yeah.

919
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 2: Absolutely, like all the sightings that you know that they

920
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 2: have have recently aired, you know, like the the tic

921
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: TACs that they've seen, and you know the mnimas, the

922
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: USS knimas sighting, and you know, I think that is

923
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: actually legit. Yes, there's a lot more happening with the

924
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: military and government contractors that we would be in shock about.

925
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: The American public would be in shock about. I attended

926
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: a conference that doctor Stephen Greer had held here in

927
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: July in Washington, d C. And he had witnesses that

928
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 2: basically testified to some of the activity that goes on

929
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: that is above top secret, and some of that activity

930
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: is nefarious. Using alien and I'm gonna say the word alien,

931
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 2: I hesitate to use that word, but alien technology. And

932
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 2: supposedly we have this technology and have had it for

933
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: a very long time.

934
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: Since I somehow, well, when we have some I don't know.

935
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: How long, but some extremely advanced technology, you would be

936
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 2: shocked at the technology that we possess. And the ability

937
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: to stage and alien invasion is nothing you know, given

938
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 2: the technology that we currently possess. Right, so there's a

939
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 2: lot that our I believe our government is doing has

940
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 2: their hands in absolutely, And the question then becomes why, Yeah.

941
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: I also feel like the government is preparing us for something,

942
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: and maybe it's the ali invasion, because I feel like

943
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 1: now there's a lot of shows out there that's talking

944
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: about aliens or UFOs or things that we just can't

945
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: we can't speak of, and I feel like I'm seeing

946
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: more of it and I'm like, what are they doing?

947
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting. I don't think they'll ever tell

948
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: us the truth. I think they're preparing us for something.

949
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: But I lean toward believing that maybe there's something that

950
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: will be staged in order to enact some sort of

951
00:55:54,320 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 2: global control, almost a police state, you know, that kind

952
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 2: of thing. So if there was an alien invasion, you know,

953
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 2: you could easily enforce everybody stay in, everybody. You know,

954
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: there's a curfew, there's an emergency, so you know, in

955
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 2: this state of emergency, there's tighter controls and stricter you

956
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 2: know rules, Right, So that may be something they're trying

957
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 2: to get us ready for it. And I say they

958
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 2: not as in our government because I believe there is

959
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: a by the people for the people, you know, government

960
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 2: up to the president, and then there's other powers above

961
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: the government that we don't know about, that the president

962
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 2: doesn't even know about. And that is the side of

963
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 2: it that I'm referring to when I say the government,

964
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 2: and they may be preparing to stage something and having

965
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: possession of technology that we'd be shocked about. I think

966
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna jump to what I think.

967
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 1: No, come on, give us a hands up.

968
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: I think the fact that the ancient text point to

969
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 2: humanity being created to be in servitude is exactly where

970
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 2: we are right now. We are in servitude. When I

971
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 2: go to work every day, we work for you know,

972
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 2: fake currency, and then they possess the resources and the currency.

973
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 2: They possess all the things that we need, so we

974
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: go give them back the currency in order to get

975
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:35,919
Speaker 2: what we need. And everything is priced so high. It's

976
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 2: priced all the way as high as they can get

977
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: it high enough that we won't stop buying it. So

978
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: everything's always priced all the way up as high as

979
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: they can get it right, and we still purchase it.

980
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: So in essence, we're always tight because everything is always

981
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: you know, just right up to the limit of what

982
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: we can afford. So it stands to reason that you know,

983
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 2: it's hard to save, it's hard to prosper. It was

984
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 2: never designed for us to prosper. It was always designed

985
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: for us to be in financial in servitude. And it

986
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: switched from physical labor to financial servitude with the industrial revolution,

987
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: and that's where we are. So when you go buy

988
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 2: a pair of shoes, somebody's getting filthy rich off of

989
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 2: selling shoes, and it isn't us buying it, and it

990
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 2: isn't the cashier, and it isn't probably even the store owner,

991
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 2: but it goes higher up, and that is what's happening

992
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 2: with everything that we need. I think we're in financial

993
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: servitude right now, and I think that's the way it's

994
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 2: always designed to be. It was always designed to be.

995
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: I think the people at the very top, the power elite,

996
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 2: will never allow the truth to come out because once

997
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: you find out you're a slave, that messes everything up.

998
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 2: This is not like you know, American dream, that's not

999
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: what this is. Get in debt. Get in debt to

1000
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: us because we need to get rich and richer and richer,

1001
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 2: and we need you to stay in your place and

1002
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: continue to work. That's what's happening. So the truth about

1003
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 2: UFOs will never come out because there's no advantage to

1004
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 2: telling us that we're slaves. That's what it boils down to.

1005
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: We're in servitude. Wow, what would be the benefit in that?

1006
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: Right?

1007
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 2: If the one percent controls everything and has most of

1008
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 2: our resources, resources that belong to everyone are in the

1009
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: hands of one percent. M what is the advantage of

1010
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: them telling us the truth? There isn't one.

1011
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: You think there is beings walking amongst us.

1012
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that. I know there are theories

1013
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 2: that there are, but honestly, I'm not certain. I can't

1014
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 2: even speak to that. It wouldn't surprise me.

1015
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: No, it was.

1016
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 2: This conversation, but I'm not sure about that. One.

1017
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: Last, but not least, how do you see the future

1018
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: of ufology evolving? And what potential breakthroughs or discoveries do

1019
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: you anticipate?

1020
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 2: Wow, it depends on the next moves that the government makes.

1021
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 2: So you know, there have been these hearings and there's

1022
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: some truths that are coming out. I question whether these

1023
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 2: are calculated releases of information to build the narrative, to

1024
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 2: control the narrative. So I think it just depends on

1025
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 2: how much more of that truth comes out and whether

1026
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 2: or not they're going to you know, divulge any of it.

1027
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 2: I can't imagine they would, to be honest, you know,

1028
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 2: because again it goes back. It's going to tie back

1029
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: to the reason for the secrecy, the how that all

1030
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 2: serves the power elite, and you know, the reason there's

1031
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 2: illegal black government projects above what the people authorize with

1032
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: their money. Why so much of our money disappears into

1033
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 2: these black budget projects. It's our it's our money, right,

1034
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: you know, a lot a lot of money disappears in

1035
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 2: these black budget projects. I think people are lining in

1036
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 2: their pockets and the future of ufology will depend on

1037
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 2: whether they end up staging some sort of invasion or

1038
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 2: whether the truth comes out and that illegal government above

1039
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 2: our government is shut down. If we have the wherewithal

1040
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 2: and the power and the you know, the government that

1041
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 2: we know about and authorize and fund actually gets on

1042
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 2: this and exposes that that that black government, then we

1043
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 2: may be able to to have a breakthrough and get

1044
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 2: to some truth. If that happens. As it stands, again,

1045
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 2: I think the power elite has their hands all over this,

1046
01:01:55,400 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 2: and either there are agreements in place to continue to

1047
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 2: build their wealth, and there may be some if there

1048
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 2: are aliens walking among us, there may be some agreement

1049
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 2: between them and the power elite. You know, if the

1050
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 2: whole purpose in creating us was to serve and the

1051
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 2: power elite are getting filthy rich, I think there's a

1052
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 2: time there, and I just don't see this changing at all.

1053
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 2: So the future of upology, I think it's great to

1054
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 2: talk about, and people keep digging, and I kind of

1055
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 2: have been pessimistic about whether the truth will actually come out.

1056
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean, we've been allied to it by everything else.

1057
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 2: Indeed, I think I think our solutions will be tied

1058
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: to going inward and getting to the heart of what

1059
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 2: those ascended masters teach us. We need to understand that

1060
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: these bodies are not really who we are, that we

1061
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 2: are beings of light, And to me, that's the biggest

1062
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 2: thing that we've got to We've got to remember this

1063
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 2: is a slave colony. Earth is a slave colony in

1064
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 2: my opinion. Yeah, but our spirits are here to learn

1065
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 2: something from the hardship faced here and to take that

1066
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 2: back so that our spirits can evolve.

1067
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: Because then I don't come back again.

1068
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 2: You're gonna come back again, and I think we've got

1069
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 2: to focus on being a source of light and increasing

1070
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 2: the light so that when we leave here and we

1071
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 2: go back to our true selves, then you know, we

1072
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 2: can take those lessons with us. You know, we can

1073
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 2: be greater in spirit.

1074
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: Listen, this was amazing. I feel like, I mean, I

1075
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: feel like you took us the history class. I feel

1076
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: like you fed my spirit. Like I feel like you

1077
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: have a very calmon voice. He was very knowledgeable. Like

1078
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this conversation. So I am so thankful

1079
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: that was able to introduce me to you because this

1080
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: was like everything I.

1081
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 2: Am too, And I'm I'm grateful that you wanted to

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Speaker 2: talk to me, and I'm grateful that gave you my information.

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Speaker 2: She's fascinating, Yes, she does. The whole paranormal thing is yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've never touched on that, but that is amazing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I think there's some overlap between oh yeah phenomenon

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Speaker 2: and the and the you know, paranormal thing. I think

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Speaker 2: we misunderstand that phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think that's what the whole, like

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Speaker 1: you said, with the black people and religion and demons

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Speaker 1: and stuff of that nature.

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Speaker 2: So I agree that's right. Yep. Well, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Yes, no, thank you so much. I really appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: And to the listeners, if you have any questions, commings,

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Speaker 1: with concerns, please make sure to email me a hello

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Speaker 1: at the psgpodcast dot com. And until next time, everyone.

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Speaker 2: Later, good night, take care.

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