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Speaker 1: Now your hosts Barry Church, Danny McCrae, and NEWI Scrugs. Hey, everybody,
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Speaker 1: I'm the we scrugs, longtime Cowboys reporter, joined by two
Speaker 1: former Dallas Cowboys players, Barry Church and Danny McCray. We
Speaker 1: get their thoughts and views on the NFL from a
Speaker 1: player's perspective. All right, gentlemen, I see one of your
Speaker 1: former teammates guy fired today in the National Football League.
Speaker 1: That would be former Dallas Cowboys alignement and offensive line
Speaker 1: coach Mark Columbo. So, gentlemen, my first thought when I
Speaker 1: saw this report from ESPN. They said he got into
Speaker 1: a verbal altercation with the head coach, Joe Judge, because
Speaker 1: Joe Judge decided he was gonna bring in a consultant
Speaker 1: and Colombo didn't take too kindly to it, like, hey man,
Speaker 1: this guy's over here, you know, stepping on my territory.
Speaker 1: And I immediately thought of that old day Chappelle's kit
Speaker 1: that I absolutely loved when keeping it real goals roll man,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what many Joe better been bobbing and
Speaker 1: weaving out there, because look, Colombo's a big dude. Man.
Speaker 1: He bought six eight two eighty something, so hopefully Joe
Speaker 1: Judge was out there bobbing and weaving. But for real, man,
Speaker 1: how how much lack of respect you gotta have for
Speaker 1: your head coach? I mean, look, this is the guy
Speaker 1: that hired you. He's putting he's putting food on your
Speaker 1: plate and gift, he's cutting your checks and you said,
Speaker 1: damn all that, let me go ahead and serve you
Speaker 1: up a couple of these knuckles sandwiches. Man like this
Speaker 1: is this is beyond seeing anything like this. But I mean, Colombo,
Speaker 1: he was always a fiery guy. Even when we played
Speaker 1: with him, hearing with the Cowboys for that short period
Speaker 1: of time before he left. He was always fiery. He
Speaker 1: was always getting after the scout team. So for me, man,
Speaker 1: this isn't a surprise, but man, it is hilarious. So
Speaker 1: so you said Colombo put his hands on Joe Judge.
Speaker 1: It wasn't verbal, was it physical? We can't hear me crag.
Speaker 1: Was it was it was verbal? God? Was it verbal?
Speaker 1: Or was it physical? Man? Internet boo boo? That's yalloo?
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Well, so let's go ahead. We could
Speaker 1: go ahead and run down lsu this he says. Was
Speaker 1: it verbal or absolutely not? Oh he's bad. I knew that.
Speaker 1: I knew that one getting. I knew that. I knew
Speaker 1: that he was working my brother some lsull. First of all.
Speaker 1: First of all, I knew some hate was coming. I
Speaker 1: just want to know was it verbal or physical that
Speaker 1: Columbo put hands on Joe Judge or was it or
Speaker 1: was it just a verbal altercation? I'm saying he put
Speaker 1: hands on him. I don't know that for facts, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying he put hands on it. Goodness, Okay, listen, yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: that's something serious right there. But if you get fired
Speaker 1: over just a little verbal thing, it must have been
Speaker 1: some some real verbal assault for you to go fire
Speaker 1: the guy. Uh, you know, I guess over him being
Speaker 1: mad because you brought somebody into consult the way that
Speaker 1: the old line is playing, I mean, you should expect
Speaker 1: that he was gonna have some feelings about it, and
Speaker 1: you should be mad enough to put up what he
Speaker 1: has to say, and then say all right, now, let's
Speaker 1: put this behind us and go out there and go
Speaker 1: to work. So it had to be something that was
Speaker 1: really outrageous that Columbo was saying the doing to Judge
Speaker 1: to get him fired, especially with j G up there
Speaker 1: having his back. It had to be something that was
Speaker 1: really really out of hand. Good. Now a street the
Speaker 1: streets are saying JG put him on it. They say, hey, look,
Speaker 1: hey mccullumbuggo head and handled this work for me real quick.
Speaker 1: Oh man, think he set him up. Hey man, you
Speaker 1: should go talk to him. You should go talk to him.
Speaker 1: And he trying to bring somebody here to run your thing.
Speaker 1: You gotta look out, man, I'd say something. If FO
Speaker 1: were you, It's like like, um, you guys weren't here
Speaker 1: for that that time. That to got Roy Williams and
Speaker 1: Patrick Crating them to go down there and tell Jason
Speaker 1: they didn't like how how he was running the offense.
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, they all they all got they
Speaker 1: all got wrecked trying to buy this thing from t
Speaker 1: O about going and complaining about about the offense. But
Speaker 1: uh no, so as far as the verbal physical I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. So I'm not gonna sit up and tell
Speaker 1: that I know for sure. Um, I think we all
Speaker 1: understand and know that the truth will start to come
Speaker 1: out a little bit here later on. Um. But look,
Speaker 1: I'm just I just found I just found it absolutely funny.
Speaker 1: And then I looked at the background of the guy,
Speaker 1: the consultant that they were going to bring in. He
Speaker 1: had a relationship with Joe Judge, you know, dating back
Speaker 1: into their days with the Patrons, and when Jason was hired,
Speaker 1: Jason brought Colombo with him. So for me, it's not
Speaker 1: a surprise that a head coach is going to bring
Speaker 1: in someone he knows. You guys know this better than
Speaker 1: me because your players. This is an industry where guys
Speaker 1: hire their friends and like to bring in their friends,
Speaker 1: and when the situations get a little bit tight or
Speaker 1: they get uncomfortable, they rely on their friends to try
Speaker 1: and help them out. Or even if he was bringing
Speaker 1: that guy in there to be a sounding board to
Speaker 1: let him know what was going on with Colombo. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this is the way that the league works.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can understand why Colombo was so solty.
Speaker 1: I mean, coming from a player's perspective, that's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're playing good. You're playing good at a position, and
Speaker 1: drafted guy in the first round he's right behind you.
Speaker 1: He's your backup. And as you know, as the weeks
Speaker 1: go on, he starts getting more and more reps with
Speaker 1: the ones here and there. He starts backing you up.
Speaker 1: In the walk throughs, they're telling them, hey, just stand
Speaker 1: right behind that guy back there and learned from from
Speaker 1: one of the best. And then what happens next that
Speaker 1: guy ends up stilling your job. So I can understand
Speaker 1: why Colombo was bad, But I mean to get to
Speaker 1: the to the verbal altercations or or the or the
Speaker 1: haymakers being thrown. I mean, listen, I waited to draw
Speaker 1: this up. I'm waiting for I'm waiting for Anonymous to
Speaker 1: come out, man, because I know it's more to it
Speaker 1: than just just a consultant coming in bro like like
Speaker 1: I mentioned it, doing something like this. Columbo woke up
Speaker 1: one morning. He had no idea that this consultant was
Speaker 1: coming in to dude was sitting in this cheer in
Speaker 1: the meeting room with the pointer like hey, yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: this is this is what I think you're doing wrong.
Speaker 1: And then Columbo went to go talk to Judge and
Speaker 1: it didn't go as Judge expected because he forgot to
Speaker 1: let Columbo know that he was hiring this guy. So
Speaker 1: it's more to it and we're gonna get it. Anonymous
Speaker 1: gonna lace us up. I'm sure they're gonna let us know.
Speaker 1: And mc cray as we both know, and McRae as
Speaker 1: we both know. Man, special teams coaches, they're one of
Speaker 1: the most fiery guys on the whole team, like as
Speaker 1: a specialty. Every coach we've had, I mean Pisachi, uh, Decamiller's,
Speaker 1: they were always that just fiery, just you know, put
Speaker 1: their heart on their sleeve. They'll tell you no matter
Speaker 1: who you are, they'll tell you how they really feel.
Speaker 1: So I can see how that could go down that
Speaker 1: way when you keep real goals, rang keeping the real
Speaker 1: goal from hey, let me tell you someth for a
Speaker 1: regular day, I found out that there was Dave sitting
Speaker 1: right there the head coaches Dave. Dave was his boy
Speaker 1: and he was going to watch over him and Mark No.
Speaker 1: I can listen. I vibe with Colombo. Look, hey, man,
Speaker 1: if you felt disrespected, and you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and that's how you and that's how you're gonna handle
Speaker 1: it you say, man, forget this job. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: ahead and tell the do how I feel. Hey, dude,
Speaker 1: you gotta do man, Colombo got enough bread to go
Speaker 1: sit at home for a little bit. JJ gonna take
Speaker 1: care of when you take over the head coaching job.
Speaker 1: The more important question, who do y'all think? One? Who
Speaker 1: do y'all think ended up walking out there with the victory?
Speaker 1: Who who got the better of situation? This dude want
Speaker 1: to see a fight and nobody okay, So so since
Speaker 1: y'all don't want us, I'm gonna go ahead and say.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and say Colombo gave him the
Speaker 1: two piece with a biscuit, and I don't think it
Speaker 1: went I don't think it went far because Columbo's kind
Speaker 1: of heavy handed. He's a big dude. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say Colombo gave him the biscuit, gave him to work,
Speaker 1: and then uh, you know, just fired him on the spot,
Speaker 1: just like that. Colombo lost a lot of weight, man,
Speaker 1: he lost a lot of weight. Church. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: And it's true. I'm gonna go I'm going against nose dumbers,
Speaker 1: So anything that you say, I'm gona saying it was opposite.
Speaker 1: So I got to say that that that just had
Speaker 1: the low leverage. The low leverage, the low man wins broth.
Speaker 1: He started working on them, ds man, he started working ones,
Speaker 1: and it was over after that easy low man wins,
Speaker 1: and and he fired that guy, so he got he
Speaker 1: got a double women. What I do wonder was this
Speaker 1: a one on one you know thing, or was it
Speaker 1: done in a group setting? You know, I mean that
Speaker 1: we'll find out a lot more, but that's gonna be
Speaker 1: be real interesting to see how it goes. I think
Speaker 1: it was. It had to be a group setting. Somebody
Speaker 1: had to hype him up. Somebody was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: this ain't right, Colombo. You gotta go out there, and
Speaker 1: you gotta let this guy know how you feel, because
Speaker 1: I don't think on your own, you're just gonna be like, man,
Speaker 1: you know what, let me go ahead and hold at
Speaker 1: this coach. I gotta see something off my chest. So
Speaker 1: somebody had to hype him up. I'm not saying it
Speaker 1: was church, but who know, church, It sounds like you
Speaker 1: got some It sounds like you got some inside and
Speaker 1: information over there. All right. You brought the physical altercation
Speaker 1: and now you're talking about you know, he wented it
Speaker 1: sound like you know a little bit more than you
Speaker 1: letting on. All right, you know, I'm just hey, I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just put trying to put the facts together.
Speaker 1: And you know, in the streets, the streets, they tell
Speaker 1: me some things. Man, Oh okay, the streets. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: turning back together. That's it turned on a little and
Speaker 1: then knew it, knew it. Two weeks from now he
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about nostre dumbers. He was able to
Speaker 1: see it with his powers. But really we know that
Speaker 1: he came some inside and source. It's all good. Man
Speaker 1: was buried. If you if you watched the Boondocks cartoon
Speaker 1: always okay, So remember the episode when Tom and Sarah
Speaker 1: meant usher and then oh yeah, sits down at the table.
Speaker 1: The next thing you know, he's singing, Sarah smile, and
Speaker 1: then the way that looks at Tom, He's like, wouldn't
Speaker 1: happened to me? Oh yeah, that's what happened. Somebody with
Speaker 1: the Colombo that what happened to me? Walked on off
Speaker 1: and then here Colombo went up in there. Hey Joe, Joe, Joe,
Speaker 1: I'm not about this man, What's what's up? With this man,
Speaker 1: you and your buddy Joe for y'all think I'm taking
Speaker 1: off from me, you know who? Then he bowled up
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah it was man. Yeah, man, somebody walked by.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I can't. I hope columb gonna land
Speaker 1: on the steat Man. We over landing, man, he got fired.
Speaker 1: I hope he landed on the steat. Bro. You know,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a tough that's a tough thing to do.
Speaker 1: You know, we just we just we just we just
Speaker 1: shooting a little bit. But that's a that's a tough thing.
Speaker 1: Like you said, Jill, look a look out for him.
Speaker 1: You know, they'll get him right, we'll see we should.
Speaker 1: I see it. Hate to see it happened. Hate to
Speaker 1: see it happened so close to the holidays, But hey,
Speaker 1: it is what it is. We're all grown there. It
Speaker 1: don't sound like you made it allway. It don't sound
Speaker 1: like you made it all You actually sound a little happy.
Speaker 1: You saw a smiler. I see a little grin on
Speaker 1: your face on the screen. If this this man did
Speaker 1: what he wanted to do, because he's a grown man,
Speaker 1: go ahead, but right on the end, like I said,
Speaker 1: if you felt like that's what you want to do,
Speaker 1: then go ahead. You know, hate to see it happened,
Speaker 1: but you know it is what it is. The Giants
Speaker 1: are playing good football. They'll move on without him. Who knows, man,
Speaker 1: maybe the Giant Tea didn't win this division. Maybe it
Speaker 1: gallanizes the football. Heck, you ain't just saying that, man,
Speaker 1: Just say the Giants might win a division after you
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys. I can't. I can't believe it. Just
Speaker 1: saying that it's swiders when the Giants have played improved football.
Speaker 1: If you start to look at what they've done in the
Speaker 1: the last three weeks, they had played some improved football.
Speaker 1: And did you just say the NFC East is wide open?
Speaker 1: Did you say the nfcast wide it is? It is
Speaker 1: wide open? The church it is wild now, So y'all ya,
Speaker 1: I'll try to act like I was crazy a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago when y'all were now all saying the
Speaker 1: same thing about the NFC's being wide open. We got
Speaker 1: a chance, no man, that's no no, no, no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: no no wh when no no church. When we say
Speaker 1: wide open, we meet people's records. Anybody could win it
Speaker 1: based on their record. We're not talking about the Cowboys
Speaker 1: going out and making this run and win it. We
Speaker 1: all have the Cowboys not making the playoffs. We're not.
Speaker 1: We are to you solo. You're solo, bro, you solo.
Speaker 1: You know you. I was just making sure we all
Speaker 1: all the same page. Now you are the lone wolf. Yes,
Speaker 1: you are the lone wolf. Okay, let's take our first
Speaker 1: break when we come back, um my friends. Jacques Taylor
Speaker 1: of the Dallas Warning News put a column out today
Speaker 1: and says that Jalen Smith has to show some serious
Speaker 1: improvement over these next these these final seven ballgames, or
Speaker 1: he believes Jalen would either have to take a paycut
Speaker 1: or be cut. Let's dive into this because I think
Speaker 1: that there's some merits to what he said, and there's
Speaker 1: some questions about it. Let's dive into it. Next on
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Speaker 1: I'm NEWI scrugs, come with the Cowboys for a long time,
Speaker 1: and I've got two former Dallas Cowboys players buried church
Speaker 1: Danny McCrae, and we always chopping up and get there
Speaker 1: unique perspective of these football matters involved in the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys and across the National Football League. So Jack Taylor
Speaker 1: wrote a column for the Dallas Morning News and it
Speaker 1: centered on linebacker Jalen Smith where he talks about Jalen
Speaker 1: has had a very disappointing season and basically that Jalen
Speaker 1: has got to show the Cowboys something in these final
Speaker 1: seven games or they could either ask him to take
Speaker 1: a pay cut in twenty twenty one or even cut him,
Speaker 1: and that his guaranteed money is basically already been paid now.
Speaker 1: I also checked out Pro football Folks dot com and
Speaker 1: they did a little story talking about disappointing players for
Speaker 1: every NFL team and when it got to the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: this is what they said. I'm gonna read from it
Speaker 1: says Jalen Smith and Linton Vanderesh looked like a pair
Speaker 1: of future stars at linebacker for the Cowboys back in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. They ranked fifth and sixth respectively, and Pro
Speaker 1: Football Focus great at the position that season. Vanderesh is
Speaker 1: injury in a dipping play from Smith in twenty and
Speaker 1: twenty In twenty nineteen, damping some of that optimism, but
Speaker 1: there were still reason to be excited about the duo.
Speaker 1: With Vanderesh returning healthy in twenty twenty, neither has looked
Speaker 1: all that reminiscent of the players that we saw two
Speaker 1: years ago, though Smith has earned a fifty three point
Speaker 1: four grade and Vanderesh comes in a tad hired fifty
Speaker 1: five point three and another injury shortened season. Thus far,
Speaker 1: their disappointing play is a part of the reason that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys defense has underperformed this year generally. Do you
Speaker 1: think that's fair from Pro Football Focus? And do you
Speaker 1: think Jack Taylor is on or something when he says
Speaker 1: that Jalen Smith could be cut by the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: asked for a reduced salardy. I'll start with you, McCray. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we talked about this earlier. They're
Speaker 1: gonna be asking a lot of guys to take some
Speaker 1: pay cuts or get released just because the salary cap
Speaker 1: might get a little lore, and you know, we're looking
Speaker 1: on ways that we can get back paid. I think
Speaker 1: he's absolutely spot on correct with you know, those two
Speaker 1: are a reason for the defense not playing as well
Speaker 1: as we expected them to play. But with that being said,
Speaker 1: everybody that's on our defensive roster is a reason for
Speaker 1: us not being not being as good as we thought
Speaker 1: we were a lot of the guys that are making
Speaker 1: a lot of money aren't playing up to their standard,
Speaker 1: and our defensive backs aren't playing up the standard either.
Speaker 1: That's why I keep leaning on coaching, because it's it's
Speaker 1: got to be something going on for all of these guys,
Speaker 1: like every level of our defense to somehow not be
Speaker 1: prepared and not be ready to play it to the
Speaker 1: best of their ability. So I'm putting it a little
Speaker 1: bit on them, but more on coaching. But yeah, they
Speaker 1: will be asked. They should be asking him to take
Speaker 1: a major pay cut next season. Yeah, for me, I
Speaker 1: agree with with Jacques and Danny on this one. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: the numbers don't lie. I mean, his play has dipped
Speaker 1: ever since that twenty eighteen season when he was just
Speaker 1: out there making splash play after splash play and just
Speaker 1: you know, basically taking over this defense from Sean Lee.
Speaker 1: So for me, on the dipping play and the fact
Speaker 1: that his guarantee, if that is correct, that his guarantee
Speaker 1: money is already up with this contract, I say, you
Speaker 1: can give them that option. You got to tell him, hey,
Speaker 1: you either gonna take this pay cut or you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna you find yourself as a free agent. And
Speaker 1: that's why these last you know, six games are so
Speaker 1: important because, like mcraize said, a lot of these cats,
Speaker 1: not just Jayalen Smith, but a lot of these cats,
Speaker 1: they're they're going out there and they're playing for their jobs.
Speaker 1: I mean these last couple of games, not only for
Speaker 1: the NFC East, but like I said, for their jobs
Speaker 1: in the future. So for me, I think Jacque is right.
Speaker 1: I think Danny's right on this one. They should be
Speaker 1: able to ask him for a pay cut if he
Speaker 1: doesn't improve his play in these last couple of games.
Speaker 1: So let me go back to something I mentioned earlier
Speaker 1: this week on the Players Lounge, and this comes back
Speaker 1: to the whole scheme thing. You've got Layton Vanderesh. When
Speaker 1: we saw Layton at his best making the Pro Bowl,
Speaker 1: he was playing outside linebacker. Mike Nolan comes in and
Speaker 1: makes him a middle linebacker, a middle linebacker coming off
Speaker 1: a neck injury, and then you can take Jalen and
Speaker 1: you take him from the middle and you put him
Speaker 1: on the outside. So have the code. She got this
Speaker 1: even right and putting the guys in their best positions
Speaker 1: in your opinion, correct, Listen. I think if the scheme
Speaker 1: and the players played the way that Nolan's seen it
Speaker 1: on paper and the way that he probably saw it
Speaker 1: in the past, I think this wouldn't be an issue.
Speaker 1: When you have the defensive line not playing up to
Speaker 1: the standard and you got offensive lineman coming off and
Speaker 1: always being on vander Esh and Jaylen Smith, then it
Speaker 1: makes it hard for them to do their job. So
Speaker 1: scheme wise, I think that they if it was run perfectly,
Speaker 1: they will be able to make some of the players
Speaker 1: that they that they made it in the past and
Speaker 1: they would probably be Pro Bowl players. But when you're
Speaker 1: not performing up front, it hinders them. So when they're
Speaker 1: not even playing up to their hundred percent level, it
Speaker 1: makes it look even worse. So scheme wise, I think
Speaker 1: they can, you know, we get a new guy in here,
Speaker 1: they can they can salvage their careers and play a
Speaker 1: little bit better. But you know, just the way the
Speaker 1: defensive played this season, I can see why they're having
Speaker 1: these issues. Gotcha, Yeah? And and for me, so we're
Speaker 1: saying that so vander Esh moved from Mike to Will
Speaker 1: or from Will to Mike. Correct, all right, So I
Speaker 1: mean I I could see that move. I can see,
Speaker 1: you know, a DC making that move because for the MIC,
Speaker 1: you gotta be a bigger body guy. You're taking on
Speaker 1: more blocks than you are as an outside like as
Speaker 1: a will linebacker. So for me, I can see putting
Speaker 1: a bigger body vander Eshe in there. He just he's
Speaker 1: right now, he's injury prone. I mean we've seen in
Speaker 1: nineteen he went down with an injury. This year he
Speaker 1: had the collar bone neck thing. And as a middle linebacker,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're taking on blocks pretty much every single down.
Speaker 1: So it's just for him, it's a question of durability.
Speaker 1: I would have kept him in that at that Mike
Speaker 1: position just because of he's a bigger body. But with him,
Speaker 1: the question is durability. And with Jaylen Smith, you know,
Speaker 1: I believe he's best suited as an outside linebacker. I
Speaker 1: think that's where he made the majority of his plays
Speaker 1: out there, and you're not asked to take on those fullbacks.
Speaker 1: You're not asked to take on those pulling guards and
Speaker 1: pulling tackles as much as a middle linebacker. So for me.
Speaker 1: I think they got the positions right. These two just
Speaker 1: got to play better. Yeah, And with that being said,
Speaker 1: With that being said, listen, I'll just go back to this.
Speaker 1: Jaylen Smith be rushing off the edge, he should be.
Speaker 1: He should be doing some things that that maximizes his
Speaker 1: athletic ability to get back there, you know, and reac
Speaker 1: havoc on the quarterback and called some confusion. Not just
Speaker 1: sit back there, you know and play the run and
Speaker 1: red gaps. He should be doing some stuff, not Jamal
Speaker 1: Adams because he played safety, but they should be doing
Speaker 1: some creative stuff like how they used Jamal Adams blizzening
Speaker 1: off the edge, blissing up the middle, plucking your hand
Speaker 1: down sometimes. They should be using him all over the place.
Speaker 1: I think this is a similar case to real quick.
Speaker 1: I think this is a similar case to Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: All right, So when Byron Jones came in, they put
Speaker 1: him at safety. And Barron Jones is a smart guy.
Speaker 1: But as a rookie playing at safety, you have to
Speaker 1: make checks here, you have to make checks there. You
Speaker 1: have to be you have to be cognisant of the
Speaker 1: whole defense as a whole. And I think he struggled
Speaker 1: with that, but when they moved him to corner, they said, look, specifically,
Speaker 1: you do this, you guard that man, or you were
Speaker 1: in cover three, and he flourished at that. And I
Speaker 1: think we need to do the same type of thing
Speaker 1: with Jalen, like Danny was saying earlier. Put him in
Speaker 1: a position to where he doesn't have to think too much.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to make checks or get people lined
Speaker 1: up in the right gaps, or if somebody else messages up,
Speaker 1: he has to cover up for that person. I think
Speaker 1: you got to put him in a specific job and
Speaker 1: say either ay, you rush the pastor or you cover
Speaker 1: this guy, or you dropped back in this position. I
Speaker 1: don't think he needs to be the quarterback of the defense.
Speaker 1: I think that's just slowing them down a little bit. Okay,
Speaker 1: so so here's my next question, just listening to you guys,
Speaker 1: would it be best to put both guys on the
Speaker 1: outside and then either draft or free agency go sign
Speaker 1: someone else and put them in the middle. But then
Speaker 1: somebody would have to play the middle when you went
Speaker 1: to a nickel package, like somebody would have to be
Speaker 1: that mid middle linebacker. Anyways, Yeah, so what you don't need,
Speaker 1: what you don't need on your team are three Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl base linebackers. That is not what you need on
Speaker 1: your team. Like a lot of teams are coming out here,
Speaker 1: they run an eleven persons. They're almost the entire game,
Speaker 1: some running empty. So a lot of times you see
Speaker 1: that third linebacker that's playing in the base he probably
Speaker 1: gets fifteen to twenty snaps the game. He doesn't even
Speaker 1: play the whole game. So I don't think you need
Speaker 1: to invest in another guy just to put in the
Speaker 1: middle if you're still gonna have Jalen and Vander's playing
Speaker 1: on the outside. The y'all killers, though, this could be
Speaker 1: something that could like this could just be an off
Speaker 1: year for them. Do you think that they can bounce
Speaker 1: back from them or do you think they need a
Speaker 1: whole new system just to get these guys. Second of
Speaker 1: that is true, they haven't looked the same since that
Speaker 1: since they played against the Rams in the playoffs. I
Speaker 1: would I would look to the next defensive coordinator and
Speaker 1: ask him, and that's what they should do in the
Speaker 1: interview process. Hey, here two guys that turned in Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl years. Here are two guys that used to look like, Hey,
Speaker 1: they were going to be you know, key players for
Speaker 1: our franchise defensively number one. Check out the take. Can
Speaker 1: they get back to that or do we need to
Speaker 1: make a move. Um, that's what I would do, as
Speaker 1: far as you know, interview with the new defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty one, and then I'd also ask this
Speaker 1: simple question here, guys, do we see the Jones family
Speaker 1: admitting a mistake with Jalen Smith and running him after
Speaker 1: this season? They don't. They rarely pooled the plug on
Speaker 1: guys like that. You know, that's just kind of going
Speaker 1: and looking at the history they give guys deals. They
Speaker 1: rarely pull the plug this early. So anyway, mccraig, I
Speaker 1: listen from from person from personal experience. Now, they asked
Speaker 1: you to take a pay cut, all right, So it's
Speaker 1: not it's not it's not necessarily them, you know, saying, uh,
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna release you. But they asked you
Speaker 1: to take a pay cut and get and give you
Speaker 1: that option, you know, to leave on your own and
Speaker 1: then say, hey, we gave an option. We really loved him,
Speaker 1: but it was best for him to go and in
Speaker 1: his own direction. It was his choice. But that pay
Speaker 1: cut thing is always on the table for the joneses,
Speaker 1: m M, so so let me so, let's stay stay
Speaker 1: with this, Danny. So when they come to you for
Speaker 1: the pay cut, the first do they call you? Do
Speaker 1: they bring you into a room? Is it over the phone?
Speaker 1: Let me take me through how this works. Man, Listen.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it happens for everybody else, but
Speaker 1: I know for me, it was one of those things where,
Speaker 1: you know, I went off to Chicago the next year
Speaker 1: because I felt so so played by it. They I
Speaker 1: had pulled my hamstring in the last preseason game, so
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna be able to play the first game
Speaker 1: and I was on the tender And right after the
Speaker 1: last preseason game, they called me in the office and
Speaker 1: my agent called me like five minutes before that. He
Speaker 1: was like, I think they about to ask you to
Speaker 1: take a pay cut. And I was like, I mean
Speaker 1: all right, well, I mean I got five minutes. So
Speaker 1: they called me back in the office and he broke
Speaker 1: it down to me, Hey, we're gonna need you to
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: do I have a second to like talk about it,
Speaker 1: you know, called my agent back whatever. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I could lead a room and when I come back again,
Speaker 1: you know, we need you to have a decision. I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, So I called a few people,
Speaker 1: and you know, with me being hurt and having a
Speaker 1: hamstring injury, uh you know, I pretty much had no
Speaker 1: choice but to take that. So that that was my
Speaker 1: experience with it. I don't know how it is for
Speaker 1: those for the bigger players that had a bigger contract
Speaker 1: that they may be worried about keeping a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Who was he? Who was he? He said it was
Speaker 1: his name? Who's his name is Adam? I don't know
Speaker 1: his last name, but his name is Adam. You might
Speaker 1: see him holding the change. He's a bigger guy. He's
Speaker 1: on the sideline usually you know his last name Church Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just called him the money gag
Speaker 1: because that was the money man. He always had come
Speaker 1: to the top contracts and stuff. So, okay, so it
Speaker 1: was his name was Adam. To be honest, no, no,
Speaker 1: at your Adam ASSISI no, one't the Joneses. It was Adam. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I thought it was. It wasn't a grim reaver nat.
Speaker 1: Now I find it this fascinating. So you take the
Speaker 1: pay cut, the next time you see the Joneses or
Speaker 1: a coach, what what what happens? How are you feeling?
Speaker 1: Anybody say anything? And what happened after that? Did they
Speaker 1: act like nothing ever happened? Listen, my coaches act like
Speaker 1: they had no idea what's going on? So I, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was pissed off of it for
Speaker 1: the rest of the year and I got up out
Speaker 1: of that right after that. So I took it personal.
Speaker 1: And I took it personal mainly because, like you said,
Speaker 1: I had been around those coaches for three or four years.
Speaker 1: I was like, Bro, you couldn't come pat me on
Speaker 1: the back, you know, say what's up? Hey man? You
Speaker 1: know I understand, but this is how we're gonna get
Speaker 1: this fix or nothing. They just act like, you know,
Speaker 1: I act like it was no big deal. So I
Speaker 1: think my stuff got the little out of it. Do
Speaker 1: you think that you think the coaches wouldn't know they
Speaker 1: would tell the coaches about the decision like that, Well,
Speaker 1: well it was in the paper. After it was in
Speaker 1: the paper. After that, it was everybody know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they would have known. They would have known. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: they they knew because also, you had to tell the coaches,
Speaker 1: they look, we're gonna ask mc cray to take a cut,
Speaker 1: and if he doesn't, you know, what's the next plane,
Speaker 1: you know. So so everybody, you know, you know somebody
Speaker 1: was in on it. So definitely somebody was in on.
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola had a great line that he said many
Speaker 1: years ago when I used to have him on one
Speaker 1: or five through the Fan. He said, guys will take
Speaker 1: a pay cut, but they won't take a pay cut
Speaker 1: for you. And this was about that time when Andre
Speaker 1: Girard had to take the pay cut. Andre is like, nah,
Speaker 1: I ain't taking that pay cut. He took a pay cut,
Speaker 1: but he went to Baltimore. But so so you're kind
Speaker 1: of one of those rarities, mccraig, where you took the
Speaker 1: pay cut and stayed with the cowboys, and most guys
Speaker 1: didn't hit that pay cut. They're like, nah, man, I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna do it here. I had nowhere to go.
Speaker 1: I was injured, but believe me, I made the phone call.
Speaker 1: I made the phone call. I won't get a hurt
Speaker 1: for it now. I made the phone call that obviously
Speaker 1: was out there, but I was injured, so nobody could
Speaker 1: help me at that point. I remember, I remember that.
Speaker 1: After that, your whole mood change. You was like, I
Speaker 1: am strictly special teams. They was like, come on, we
Speaker 1: get some reps as safe. Danny like, nope, I am
Speaker 1: special teams my days when his kickoffs done, and listen, listen, listen.
Speaker 1: You know what why why were yaller? Let me let
Speaker 1: me go in too? Because I never got to get
Speaker 1: this off my chest Church. If you remember I was playing,
Speaker 1: I was playing. I was a special teams guy already,
Speaker 1: and then everybody started getting hurt. And then usually when
Speaker 1: when when that happens and they moved somebody up to
Speaker 1: play safety, they usually take them off special teams. That
Speaker 1: let them focus a little bit more on safety. They
Speaker 1: had me running down there on kickoff at the five.
Speaker 1: I was playing gunner on the on the punt team,
Speaker 1: still on kickoff return, and then going out there and
Speaker 1: Rob Ryan defense covering tight ends and certain package started
Speaker 1: at safety. And when I told Jerome Henderson, I was like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: look I'm gassed, and you know this is gonna affect
Speaker 1: my play. He was like, look, look man, I just
Speaker 1: need you to get some rest during the week. It's
Speaker 1: nothing I could do about it. I was like, what
Speaker 1: are you serious? So so that that whole thing transpires
Speaker 1: or whatever, and then you know, I ended up I played.
Speaker 1: You know, however I played, I ended up losing the
Speaker 1: starting job. So I thought that was over. I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm backing on special teams. And you know, the next
Speaker 1: year came and they asked me to take that pay cut.
Speaker 1: So I was upset for two years. To be honest,
Speaker 1: that's that's why I had to get up out of it
Speaker 1: it and they give my mind, right, it's just to me.
Speaker 1: It was to me, it was baffling that they waited
Speaker 1: for so long, like they waited right until the last
Speaker 1: Like wasn't it like a day or two before the
Speaker 1: regular or something like that. It was it was. It
Speaker 1: was the day of final cuts. It was a day
Speaker 1: of final cut. So I didn't have any option. It
Speaker 1: was like you got, you got thirty minutes. It was
Speaker 1: like right right before that deadline was there, and he
Speaker 1: made me sit in that room where I was upset,
Speaker 1: but I knew the day opinion me in the whole.
Speaker 1: I had no choice. So let me ask this. Since
Speaker 1: you're here and you opening up the cannib were talking,
Speaker 1: was there any part of you. After you said you
Speaker 1: take the pay cut that you wished you went ahead
Speaker 1: and got released, so you could have gone somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Uh nah, man, you know, money on the table's money
Speaker 1: on the table. When I was I always enjoyed the
Speaker 1: fact that I was in Dallas and I was close
Speaker 1: enough to my mom and my family that they could
Speaker 1: all drive up like it was. Everything was convenient for
Speaker 1: me in Dallas. So I didn't regret taking a pay cut.
Speaker 1: I just regretted how how it happened, right because I
Speaker 1: had a feeling how I felt about the Cowboys an
Speaker 1: organization before that, and then that whole process happened, and
Speaker 1: it was like how I thought they felt about me,
Speaker 1: they actually didn't, especially because nobody actually came and said
Speaker 1: nothing after that. It just it was a shocking surprise,
Speaker 1: and I didn't hear nothing from pretty much anybody after that.
Speaker 1: But I will tell you this, when I was, when
Speaker 1: I was about when I was about to leave the
Speaker 1: next year though, to go to Chicago, I got all
Speaker 1: the phone calls then, yeah, we really want you to
Speaker 1: do this, really this, and that that I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, I'm on my way. I'm on my
Speaker 1: way to oldhair right now, buddy. See, let's see y'all.
Speaker 1: See y'all next time, y'all because y'all y'all have to
Speaker 1: me the phone then, So okay, So who calls you
Speaker 1: at that point in time, it was trying to make
Speaker 1: it right. Who was on the phone? Who who it
Speaker 1: calls you? Yeah, man, look at it. It was j
Speaker 1: G called me. Joe Baker called me. The one person
Speaker 1: that kept it real with me was Jerome Henderson. He
Speaker 1: was like, look, I know that I know that you're
Speaker 1: gonna get some money out there in Chicago, so I
Speaker 1: want you to go out there and prove all of
Speaker 1: us wrong. I know what happened to you here was bad,
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm really not gonna try to convince
Speaker 1: you to stay. And I was like, appreciate it, bro.
Speaker 1: And then when I went to Chicago and I ended
Speaker 1: up getting the starting job there for a little bit,
Speaker 1: he he was the first person to call me a
Speaker 1: congratulate be on that. So I got love for Jerome
Speaker 1: Henderson as well. Jerome always did keep it real, man.
Speaker 1: He always did keep it real. Oh all right, let's
Speaker 1: take a break, man. I mean, that's why we do
Speaker 1: this show man. That that is That is why we
Speaker 1: do this show. That is why we do this show
Speaker 1: because that's pretty eye opening. And look, you know, I've
Speaker 1: I've gone through the whole pay cut thing too, in
Speaker 1: my whole in my experience. Now it's nothing like yours.
Speaker 1: But but I know, I know high speels. When you
Speaker 1: you stepped back in that building, you know you ain't
Speaker 1: trying to smile, and nobody ain't trying to say hid
Speaker 1: anybody just go do what I do. So I understand,
Speaker 1: I understand. Okay, um, when we get back, um, something
Speaker 1: that I know is gonna make Barry Church say, wow,
Speaker 1: we'll do that next try. Other players are interrobuct you
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Speaker 1: those young men as they fulfill a lifelong dreams gonna
Speaker 1: be a little bit different because it's virtual, so you're
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to see guys do what they've
Speaker 1: done in the past. And I love these these NBA
Speaker 1: opt outs because guys right now have a good bird
Speaker 1: in the hand if they want and with the way
Speaker 1: the salary cap is, you can try and get out
Speaker 1: there free agency, but there's no telling what you may get. Barry,
Speaker 1: You'll love to understand the excruciating dilemma for one Gordon
Speaker 1: Hayward the Boston Celtics. He has an AKKA. It is
Speaker 1: four thirty four million dollars. He's not sure what he
Speaker 1: wants to do, and they told him you didn't have
Speaker 1: to decide Tuesday. They pushed it out to Thursday, so
Speaker 1: he's got one more day to decide if he wants
Speaker 1: a guaranteed thirty four million dollars to play for the Celtics.
Speaker 1: If he plays for the Celtics this year, he's not
Speaker 1: going to be He's gonna be a role player. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be a role player. So he's got this tough
Speaker 1: decision to decide. Does he want the burden the hand
Speaker 1: of thirty four million dollars, but does he want to
Speaker 1: go out of the free agent market. What would you do? Man?
Speaker 1: What is the indecision here? What is Gordon Hayward thinking? Like, Look,
Speaker 1: it ain't like Gordon Hayward is lightening up the stat
Speaker 1: sheet or anything like that. It ain't like he's a
Speaker 1: perennial All Star or anything like that. Since just gruesome injury.
Speaker 1: But what are you thinking? Thirty four million dollars fully
Speaker 1: guaranteed as soon as you sign on the dotted line,
Speaker 1: and it's the easiest money you'll ever made because you're
Speaker 1: not even going You're not even gonna be a starter.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be a guy coming off the bench, maybe
Speaker 1: playing twelve fifteen minutes a night, and you're making thirty
Speaker 1: four million dollars. There's no indecision about this. It's signed
Speaker 1: me up. I'll take his spot, we can switch spots,
Speaker 1: he can come on the players lound. I'll go ahead
Speaker 1: and get the twenty jersey and play for Boston. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this is ridiculous. I don't the man, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna piggyback out that for you new Church Church
Speaker 1: to do it. Goodness, I thought dude is gonna bring
Speaker 1: this up yesterday because he put it in a Twitter
Speaker 1: group chat. So James already gonna pass fifty two a
Speaker 1: year in Houston, so you can go to Brooklyn. What
Speaker 1: type of sister that made these guys fifty two million
Speaker 1: dollars a year to do? Fast it up? Yeah? So
Speaker 1: he could have been the NBA's first fifty million dollars
Speaker 1: year play. Here was the thing I truly didn't get
Speaker 1: in this whole I want to go play for the
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets demand that James has right now, we all
Speaker 1: know there's no state taxes here living in Texas. You're
Speaker 1: going up to New York to play. Guess what brother
Speaker 1: you are about? You about to jump up fourteen percent?
Speaker 1: It's it's it's crazy that. But I'll also and one
Speaker 1: reason why I didn't bring it up, Danny, We've seen
Speaker 1: a bunch of these guys turned down more money because
Speaker 1: they don't want to be someplace New Orleans had offered,
Speaker 1: and Anthony Davis the max. They offered him a great
Speaker 1: boatload of money, but he said, no, I don't want it.
Speaker 1: I'll go play for the Lakers. And so he just
Speaker 1: opted out, turned down the twenty seven million dollars and
Speaker 1: so he's about to sign, you know, a big, mega
Speaker 1: deal with the Lakers, and he got we won a
Speaker 1: world championship, So it worked out for him. But this
Speaker 1: starts to become really, hey, how comfortable am I? And
Speaker 1: how much money do I want to leave on the
Speaker 1: table to win? Now? To me, I look at Anthony
Speaker 1: Davis and this is what I was told by my
Speaker 1: buddy Mark Experience of ESPN that Anthony lived in LA
Speaker 1: in the offseason and this is where he wanted to
Speaker 1: be anyway, So this was for him about getting to
Speaker 1: a spot, leaving New Orleans and get into a spot
Speaker 1: where he wanted to be. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: he'll play with Lebron James. I don't know if i'd
Speaker 1: be what didn't it gonna play with Kyrie Urp. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be doing that. Well, I would not be doing that. Man,
Speaker 1: Well let's let's do this. So so just I don't
Speaker 1: know how true this is, but I know I've been
Speaker 1: reading that one of the issues for James Harden and
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook and a lot of other guys for the
Speaker 1: Rockets with some political issues for you know who, Tilman
Speaker 1: for Tido was supporting. So all those guys are kind
Speaker 1: of revolting and trying to get up out of there,
Speaker 1: and then James Harden, I don't know, man, you know
Speaker 1: how comfortable you can be. But I know the dude,
Speaker 1: you know, two hundred million dollars from Adidas, so he
Speaker 1: might be already passing up that fifty two because he
Speaker 1: know he's gonna make a boatload of money in the
Speaker 1: New York market as well. Fifty mill thole. I understand,
Speaker 1: he's getting that bread. Like you said, he got Adidas,
Speaker 1: he got all those contracts, he went in Oklahoma City
Speaker 1: all those times. But fifty mile passing that up and
Speaker 1: then you're gonna go play with KD and Kyrie, who
Speaker 1: all dominant guys. It's not up there. Let's say this
Speaker 1: that the fifty two is not for next year. It's
Speaker 1: an extension, so he still has I think a year
Speaker 1: or two on his current deal and then he'll make
Speaker 1: fifty two after that. So I'm sure if he goes
Speaker 1: to Brooklyn, he's still gonna make a boatload of money.
Speaker 1: And you know, they say New York is a marketing
Speaker 1: capital capital of the world, so he's gonna he's gonna
Speaker 1: get some more deals and the money are probably even
Speaker 1: out somehow. The only thing he's saving is those state taxes.
Speaker 1: But he's been to it. He's been close as he
Speaker 1: can in Houston. So you know, go take your shot
Speaker 1: and go try to get your championship. What do y'all
Speaker 1: think about this? Like, what do y'all think about all
Speaker 1: these guys like grouping up together? Like now it's Katie
Speaker 1: Kyrie and maybe Kevin or Hardened? Like, I mean, what
Speaker 1: y'all thought? What are your thoughts on that? I like it? Yes,
Speaker 1: I have no issues with it. I have no issues
Speaker 1: with it. Here's the thing. What you and your organization
Speaker 1: need to do is create a culture and a climate
Speaker 1: that people want to come to it. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what you have to do. And I give Milwaukee a
Speaker 1: lot of credit with what have we seen this week.
Speaker 1: Milwaukee said, you know, look, we're gonna make this atmosphere
Speaker 1: great for Jannis and we want him to stay. I remember,
Speaker 1: and you guys were young, but when I was growing up, man,
Speaker 1: that's what they did in San Francisco, Bill Walsh and
Speaker 1: Eddie de Barlowe Junior. They made the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: a place where guys wanted to come, and they were
Speaker 1: taking less money to go get there. And when Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones bought the Cowboys and he and Jimmy John's helped
Speaker 1: making the team of the nineties. It was an atmosphere
Speaker 1: the dudes wanted to come to. That's how you get
Speaker 1: a Dion Sanders here because they want to come play
Speaker 1: in this kind of atmosphere. So to me, now, if
Speaker 1: you're running an NBA franchise where you have one player
Speaker 1: who can change the fortunes of the whole organization, you've
Speaker 1: got to make sure that you are trying to make
Speaker 1: that player happy, but also have a situation where other
Speaker 1: guys want to come play there, and hopefully you can
Speaker 1: get them to come and play for a little bit
Speaker 1: less cash. Pat Riley has been able to do that
Speaker 1: in Miami Houston, and I want to make sure I
Speaker 1: give Houston credit. They've done everything they could and they
Speaker 1: built that whole thing around James Harden. And something that
Speaker 1: you said, Danny was Rick Bucher, who was on with
Speaker 1: my boys couple, Chris Bossard and Rob Parker. That's where
Speaker 1: that report came from. That there were several Houston Rockets
Speaker 1: who weren't happy that Tilmo and Ftida, in their opinion,
Speaker 1: was too close to Donald Trump and the day all
Speaker 1: wanted to go. Let me tell you what. I don't
Speaker 1: buy that, because these guys ultimately all want you make money. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can sit. I mean, and most of these NFL
Speaker 1: owners are affiliated. You can just go look it up.
Speaker 1: You can find out who your owner is affiliated with.
Speaker 1: From a political standpoint, all right, Tilman Fritida were the
Speaker 1: only owner in professional sports giving money and supporting Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: But I thought it's a difference. It's a difference between
Speaker 1: supporting the Republican Party and then being being very close
Speaker 1: to Donald Trump. You know, just to be fair with
Speaker 1: what they're talking about. It's it's it's a huge difference, right.
Speaker 1: But but at the same time too, Look, you know
Speaker 1: there's a lot of NFL owners who gave money to
Speaker 1: President Trump and his inaugurations. It's a whole bunch of owners.
Speaker 1: I mean, he saw Woody Johnson of the New York
Speaker 1: Jets go work for the Trump administration. Um so. But
Speaker 1: but ultimately, but I don't think. I don't and this
Speaker 1: is just me, Danny. I don't think and I don't
Speaker 1: believe that this is what Houston Rockets players are motivated by.
Speaker 1: The saying get me out of here or I don't
Speaker 1: want to be here because of that. These guys want
Speaker 1: their money and they want to be in a situation
Speaker 1: that they like. I just don't believe that. I just
Speaker 1: have And I'm the dude who used to cover the
Speaker 1: Clippers when we knew all about Donald Sterling, way before
Speaker 1: that Magic Johnson take got out there, that v Staviana play.
Speaker 1: I mean that stuff was known about Donald Sterling and
Speaker 1: dudes came out there. When Chris Paul was traded to
Speaker 1: LA he was asked about it and Chris said, I
Speaker 1: don't get into all that. I just played. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, dude, do you want to be blind and
Speaker 1: to it? That's fun. But these dudes just came out
Speaker 1: a situation their money. You think about this, we already
Speaker 1: we already explained that NBA and NBA players NFL players
Speaker 1: are different as far as how much power they have
Speaker 1: and what they're willing to do. And they take exactly
Speaker 1: what you said. These dudes one thing money. James Harden
Speaker 1: is running from fifty two million a year to get
Speaker 1: away from Houston. Russell Westbrook has money on his contract
Speaker 1: and he's still trying to get up out of there.
Speaker 1: So they getting their money they got money there from
Speaker 1: Houston and they're trying to go to opposite way of it.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think this is the only reason
Speaker 1: that they saying we need to get up out of here.
Speaker 1: But when you start listing stuff on there, I'm sure
Speaker 1: that they can throw that there. Some of them throw
Speaker 1: it out there and say, yeah, also you know X,
Speaker 1: y Z and this is that, so that this, this
Speaker 1: is why I want to leave. But I don't think
Speaker 1: it's the main reason. But whether they smoke there's fire,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they heard something something about it up there.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's in the top three though, I
Speaker 1: really don't. I don't think no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's in the top three. I give
Speaker 1: a top five. You know. First off, it's it's it's me.
Speaker 1: He's always the number one thing. When I look at
Speaker 1: these NBA guys and guys who are moving, everything revolves
Speaker 1: around me. What's best for me? And what are we
Speaker 1: seeing for Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook realized, guess what, I
Speaker 1: need the ball. I like, I like James, James is
Speaker 1: my boy, But I need the ball. He has the ball.
Speaker 1: I want to be gone, you know, Kyrie Irving, you
Speaker 1: played with Lebron James. Lebron James, you play with Lebron,
Speaker 1: you just walk into the finals. Lebron now here getting
Speaker 1: bums rings, and Kyrie like, nah, I need to be
Speaker 1: the man. I need my franchise. I don't care about him.
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are built different. I mean they
Speaker 1: think that's amazing. The fun thing about covering these the
Speaker 1: two sports for me is NBA guys are just different dudes. Man,
Speaker 1: I do want to hear nothing about Kyrie. Kyrie and
Speaker 1: his decision making. He was running around head telling people
Speaker 1: that the Earth was flat a few months ago, so
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to hear nothing about Kyrie
Speaker 1: talking nothing about those decisions or none of that. Kyrie, right,
Speaker 1: weird guy, the earth is flat. I used to tell
Speaker 1: my boys in Boston because I used to do NBC
Speaker 1: Sports Radio, I bring the guys on from Boston and
Speaker 1: I would always I mean, they was like, man, why
Speaker 1: do you hate Kyrie? Man? What did he do to you?
Speaker 1: That I used to tell? Was like, you don't want
Speaker 1: this dude. This dude is different. It's something. And then
Speaker 1: sure enough, man, Kyrie up to got out of Boston.
Speaker 1: And they were like, you were right. That's like I
Speaker 1: told you, I was right. You thought I was just
Speaker 1: taking down because he was part of that was because
Speaker 1: he was a dukie. But this, this dude ain't right.
Speaker 1: When you decide that you don't want to play Lebron
Speaker 1: and you running down Lebron James, there's something wrong with you. Man,
Speaker 1: It's just something wrong with you. He's just a different dude.
Speaker 1: He gonna come out to Steve Nash is a coach,
Speaker 1: and he like, well, we're all kind of the coach, Like, no,
Speaker 1: you ain't all. Stevens is the coach. Then he gonna
Speaker 1: sit up. K Katie's the first guy ever played with
Speaker 1: who I know can make that shot. You know, I
Speaker 1: never played with a guy who could be that guy
Speaker 1: to make a shot. He didn't play Lebron. James won
Speaker 1: a championship. Like this dude is different. You should run
Speaker 1: from Kyrie. So if I'm the NETS, I make the
Speaker 1: James Harten deal and I tell him take Kyrie, Please
Speaker 1: take Kyrie. Blow up the franchise. Man, Yo, listens getting long, man,
Speaker 1: your listens getting long? Kyrie? It's what Leon Sanders, No, no, no, Columbo.
Speaker 1: Colombo's on there. Colombo's I don't I like Prime. Prime
Speaker 1: don't like me. That's what toy on that Prime promise.
Speaker 1: Not like me, but Colombo. I think what Colombo was
Speaker 1: Colombo tried to keep other guys from talking. Okay, So
Speaker 1: if I go in the locker room, all right, I
Speaker 1: want to talk to to Tyrn Smith or Andre Gerard
Speaker 1: and if no, we can't talk, well I can't talk.
Speaker 1: Talk Colombo don't want to talk. I'm like, man, why
Speaker 1: whore Colombo? You go sit around here to tell people
Speaker 1: they can and can't tell me? Who are you? You You
Speaker 1: ain't nobody's daddy, he said, were telling people what they
Speaker 1: can't talk. I mean, dude, I get it. Does stop
Speaker 1: the same thing man, and y'all see what happens. You
Speaker 1: should really be questioning to dude, who told you they
Speaker 1: can't talk? They can't they can't talk because Colombo said
Speaker 1: so you should be questioning in those guys. Those are
Speaker 1: the ones who need to be questioned that. That is
Speaker 1: another conversation. The old line, I guess has some kind
Speaker 1: of fine system or something. But anyway, they were trying
Speaker 1: to do what the Broncos did back in the nineties,
Speaker 1: where their guys didn't talk, but yeah, no, when Colombo
Speaker 1: was out there trying to do that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And then then as soon as my last thing on Colombo.
Speaker 1: So it was during the lockout and guys who are
Speaker 1: working over at Dragon Stadium, South La and Colombo was there.
Speaker 1: So the media shows up to talk to guys and
Speaker 1: Colombo goes over there telling the telling the media we're
Speaker 1: not talking. And it's at this point time everybody knows
Speaker 1: this dude is getting cut. But why are you talking?
Speaker 1: Nobody's here to see you, nobody here to talk to you,
Speaker 1: and you ain't gonna be here. Why are you telling
Speaker 1: somebody to say no? It was just and then so
Speaker 1: nobody talked, and I'm like, you know, wit didn't want
Speaker 1: to Nobody wanted to talk because they would have scared
Speaker 1: him with Mark Colombo's gonna say like who made he representative?
Speaker 1: So and then that they need in the locker room
Speaker 1: right now. They need a Colombo now right now? What Okay,
Speaker 1: I'd seen No, I didn't see no championships being one
Speaker 1: when Mark Colombo was here, Anonymous, you ain't seen no
Speaker 1: championship being one and twenty? What are you talking about? So?
Speaker 1: I and this is this is how Jerry, and this
Speaker 1: is how Jerry plays us in the media. So we
Speaker 1: show up for the press commence, the Daily Pressor, and
Speaker 1: Jerry has it. Jerry's gonna talk like, okay, well we
Speaker 1: need to show u because Jerry's gonna be here. So
Speaker 1: before the presser starts with the coach, Jerry has a
Speaker 1: retirement thing for Colombo right there. So Jerry and ied
Speaker 1: Columbo tries a cowboy and it was one of those
Speaker 1: things where had we known in the media that he
Speaker 1: was gonna do that, we wouldn't have showed up. We
Speaker 1: would not have shown It's like, oh, you didn't want
Speaker 1: to We wasn't gonna show up because they've done that before,
Speaker 1: all right, So they did that one time. The Texas
Speaker 1: Rangers have retired. They had a y'all, they had a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame presser for John Wetland. So he was
Speaker 1: going to Texas Rangers Hall of Fame that John Wetland
Speaker 1: was notorious for. He hated the media, he didn't like us,
Speaker 1: so his pressure was at one o'clock, nobody showed. It's like,
Speaker 1: now we ain't going you don't want to talk to nobody.
Speaker 1: Anybody gonna talk to you now, So it's like nah, nah, nope, nope, nope, nope.
Speaker 1: But he did that, so Colombo was there. You know what,
Speaker 1: I'd have used any of it that night. It's like,
Speaker 1: I ain't putting none of this on. I ain't putting that,
Speaker 1: putting nothing come up over and tiring on, like I
Speaker 1: ain't using the cinder. But this guy didn't want to
Speaker 1: talk to us. He didn't want he didn't want to
Speaker 1: take care of the media. We ain't take care of you.
Speaker 1: So it was just like he just vanished in the night.
Speaker 1: I ain't mentioned it. We just went on the Cowboy
Speaker 1: business Man. And that's how that's that was how Jerry
Speaker 1: got a story because he knows well you were in
Speaker 1: the show. He had Rich dal Rupper knows we would
Speaker 1: not have shown up had they told us it was
Speaker 1: gonna be about him. So it happened. They go through
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and then we got on with the
Speaker 1: coaches press conference. So so there you go. There you go, Hey, Danny,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing to day. Man. That was good stuff. Man,
Speaker 1: that was good stuff. Oh yeah, I got you, bro,
Speaker 1: I got you. That was good stuff. I'm getting him.
Speaker 1: Get away, all right, we'll be back tomorrow. I want
Speaker 1: to share some of the mother stories too. No no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. It's a process. Shows over shows over this
Speaker 1: process man show over time over time to get all
Speaker 1: the stories. Two thirty right here, Chris Bean. We appreciate you.
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