WEBVTT - #429 - Before They Made It Big with Chris Stapleton, Dierks Bentley, Jon Pardi, Walker Hayes + More! 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:09.840 Hey guys, welcome to a special episode of The Bobbycast. 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:13.400 This is before they made it big. I love these 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.120 kinds of episodes. It was super cool to compile all 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.279 of this because over the years, I've sat down with 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:21.520 artists who are massive stars now, but once upon a time, 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:24.200 they were just normal people trying to figure out live 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:27.760 whether going to college or starting a family, or playing 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:29.920 in a band in their hometown. And I've talked to 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:32.839 most of them six seven, eight years ago and an 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:34.640 inside look at what they were doing before they moved 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.040 to Nashville, what made them pull the trigger to actually 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:39.519 move to Nashville, because again, that's a big decision, and 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.120 then the very beginning of their careers. It's fun to 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.599 listen to them talk about life years ago, the mindset 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.200 they had then. Some of these interviews are from years ago, 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:50.440 and some of them talking about back before they made it. 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:52.879 On this episode, you're gonna hear some great stories they're 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.920 in the archives of the Bobbycast. From Thomas Rhet, Dirk Spentley, 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:58.880 Jacob and Chris Staple, Timbrett Eldridge, John Party, Cole Swindell, 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.960 and Walker Hayes. Let's kick off the special with Chris 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.399 Stapleton talking about his days of playing football in high 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:07.120 school and coming to Nashville, and originally it was just 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.520 to be a songwriter. The like to look at the 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.080 pictures of the shows. It's been so crazy to watch 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.960 the growth. There's been two artists that I've seen grow 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:20.399 like the like I've watched this grow, this. 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.200 Part of you, this. 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:28.160 Chapter of Chris Stapleton, you and Sam and you're not 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:33.759 the same, but it's like nobody kind of came out 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:41.080 of nowhere, completely organic, and it's been boom songwriting first, 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.760 like paying dudes writing songs for people, like that's why, 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:46.560 Like that way you moved, you moved down to write 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:47.960 song a songwriter. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.240 I thought that was that sounded like the greatest job 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.360 I've ever heard of, and I heard of even. 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.120 Though singing like you did you want to like, I 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.160 can go be an artist. So let's be honest. 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:58.840 You know, sitting in a room playing a guitar for 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:00.880 maybe three hours a day and getting paid to do 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.400 that is probably still the greatest job in the world. 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.800 Would you rather sit in a room and write a 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.400 great song with one of your songwriter buddies or play 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:11.440 on stage for fifty thousand people. 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:14.679 I like to play, so that that's hard to say. 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:16.520 But I like to write a good song too. But 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:20.240 you know, at this point, I probably have to pick 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.040 playing because I like playing. I like playing a whole lot. 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:24.560 Do you ever get to where I'm getting kind of 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:25.760 tired of playing? I just kind of want to write 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:26.880 songs for a few months. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:30.680 No, No, I mean certainly, if you're if you're not 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.000 feeling one hundred percent, if you're sick, you know, there's 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:36.280 times I'm sure you get out there, not sleeping and 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:39.920 working nine days a week where you're just like, you know, 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.960 I wish I could just, you know, chill out just 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.560 a minute. But the fear will keep you going. 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:48.480 The fear. That's why I have fear. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.239 I'm terrified that I feel like, and I don't know 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.760 if you feel this way, because I'm obviously nuts, but 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:57.760 I feel like I've been committing crimes for a long time, 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:01.520 and eventually the cops are gonna catch me, and when 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.639 they do, my career is over because they're if they've 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:05.799 got me, or everyone's going to figure out that I'm 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:07.680 not even some imposter syndrome, you. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:10.079 Feel like, absolutely, I think I think a lot of 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.440 people feel that. Not a lot of people will verbalize it, 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.520 you know. But I had somebody that uh and I 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.080 won't say his name, but uh, you know it was. 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.400 A hero of mine. You have that very thing. 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:22.440 He's like, I'm just waiting for everybody to figure you know, 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.680 figured out, and I'm just like, I was just like, 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:26.720 even you feel that way. 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.480 I was like, okay, all right, do you feel that way? Oh? 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.840 Sure, everybody you know to some degree, nobody you know. 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:33.720 But then you know the flip side of the corner. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.440 I used to say to people when even when you 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:38.920 walking to meet somebody, hey you doing man, and be like, oh, 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:40.000 I'm far better than I deserve. 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:42.240 I used to say that the people. 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:46.840 And then I had I met somebody and then and 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:48.440 they were walking up on the bus and there was 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.080 another artist and he said, uh, he said, well me too, 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.240 But do you know, maybe we all deserve great things? 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.360 And it really made me. It took me back for 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.280 a minute, and I was just like, wow, that's uh okay, 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.800 maybe we did, and maybe that makes it okay, you know, 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.320 like maybe that can make the fear go away a 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:07.120 little bit if you if you just think that we 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.840 all probably deserve great things. You know, not all of 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:14.040 us get it, but I think everybody certainly deserves it. 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:15.280 Do you get in your own head a lot? 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:16.080 You feel like. 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.120 I can in a moment, And yeah, I get in 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.920 my own head quite a bit. That's probably why I 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:25.040 don't talk that much. 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.880 What's your fear getting in your own head of talking? 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:33.200 H Like, what's the worst that could happen in your mind? 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:33.880 What you say? 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.120 You know, I don't want to get in my own head, 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:38.039 So that's why I don't. 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.040 I might get in my own head on stage. Sometimes 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:42.599 that's the worst place for it to happen to me, 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:47.279 you know, like maybe I don't like how something sounding, 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.960 or I don't like the way guitar feels at the moment, 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.400 you know, or it's you know, any little thing that 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.719 can happen, you know, is the danger for me to 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:01.359 go completely off the edge and just like not be 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:05.440 able to dig myself out of that moment. It's bad 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:08.000 when I go down, but I try to avoid it. 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:09.800 Will you go down like that? Because I'll go down 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.800 like that absolutely, and it can ruin my whole day 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.200 and everybody else's whole day. So I try to be 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:18.600 conscious of it and not do it for. 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.080 Me my co host Amy can you can notice that 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.000 and she's the one that goes boom and she'll try 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:24.880 to pull me out of it. 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.000 Is that what Morgan does for you? Absolutely? 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.160 Absolutely, because she can see it sometimes or she can 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:31.640 see it happening when maybe. 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:36.320 You can't, or you're just starting. Absolutely, Yeah, same thing, 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.920 just delevery slow because part of the creative part of 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.560 you needs to be in that space. Well, yeah, you've 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:44.040 got to be on the edge. You just can't fall 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.120 off of it. Do you feel like sometimes you don't 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.159 want to fix yourself because you'll lose your edge. Do 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:56.800 you ever have that thought? I'm not till now, never 0:05:56.839 --> 0:06:00.080 mind scratch that, because that's something I'll be like, I 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:01.800 don't know if I should get better because I'll lose it. 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.279 No, you know I used to think those kind of things, 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.200 but I always feel like there's room for improvement and 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:15.160 and if something's making your your overall health or life better, 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:19.040 it's not necessarily it's not losing your edge, you know, 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:20.520 I feel like those things. 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:26.320 It's not losing edge. It's just it's making making you sharper. 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.480 You finish the show, you come off stage, what's the 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.040 what's the first thing you do finish the show. 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.599 Yeah, I thank all the local crew guys for for 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:40.719 the work, and a lot of times my wife is 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.080 retired for the evening before the encore. 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:43.360 Is over, so. 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.159 I'll go find out where she is if she needs anything, 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:51.400 and then I'll probably why not hang with the band 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:53.360 guys for a few minutes in the dressing room and 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.279 then hit the bus and I'll be up till two 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.679 three in the morning watching Face Off. 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:02.719 For the eightieth time for the eightieth time. 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.040 Do you go back and listen to shows like your 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.240 live shows and then criticize or love on yourself. 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.280 No, not, No, I try not to. I mean, we 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.080 do record now, and we have a pretty elaborate recording rig. 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:18.720 We basically, you know, have as much of that kind 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:20.680 of stuff as we can have out there for cataloging, 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:22.840 and we're trying to put together some live things. But 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:28.400 it's a real uh, well, that microscope is tough, you know, 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.680 on live shows, you know, because there's so much other 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.240 external things going on. You know that sometimes you can 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.720 be too hard on yourself, so you have to really 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.760 listen to it with a different set of ears, and 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.080 maybe you would listen to something you're really picking on 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:46.640 in the studio. 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.960 So, well, you look at a crowd, and when you 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.000 look at a crowd, will you focus on the people 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:53.440 that are having a great time or you see the 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:54.480 one that's. 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:58.360 Like anybody that spending my show just knows that I 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.600 don't look at the crowd a whole lot, because that 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.520 a little bit can break focus for me. Like I'll 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.320 look at the crowd when I'm not playing and I'll 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:13.520 try to interact with them in that way. But if 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:15.240 I do look out there and I see somebody not 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.520 having a good time, it can do that thing and 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:22.120 we're talking about or if I see somebody having too 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.000 good of a time, it will make me smile, it 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:25.640 will make me too happy, and I forget what I'm doing. 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.200 So I'm I'm very add that way, So I have 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:33.079 to be real careful about, you know, eye contact. I 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.080 do a very controlled version of it for myself, just 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.160 to try to and make sure I don't lose focus 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.000 of what I'm doing in the circle of everybody in 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:41.400 the band. 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.120 You know, Yeah, I didn't know that because I do. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:45.400 I've seen you play a bunch and you do kind 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:46.920 of keep down a bit when you play. 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:51.040 Yeah, I'm here, yeahside the circle, like. 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:52.960 Somebody can see me over the radio or whatever this is. 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.960 And but I'm I'm very much in the guitar and 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.600 I'm in my singing, and I'm in with the rest 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.120 of the band. That's where that's where the stuff's happening. 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:06.079 And when that's not going on, then the interaction happens 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.040 a little bit more in the crowd. Maybe if I 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.400 take a solo off step out front just for a minute, 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.760 and we can give a little plants here in there. 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.640 But for the most part, I try to keep there's 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:21.520 this like a little circle happening on stage no matter 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.600 what we're playing that I'm trying to stay in that circle. 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.840 That circle too is important to you. Oh yeah, the 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:30.400 people in that circle. Absolutely, they're the same people on 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:34.720 the record. Absolutely Why they's so important to you? 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.520 None of we wouldn't be sitting here talking if it 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:40.079 wasn't for the people in that circle. You know, none 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:44.480 of this would be what it is, and none of 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.600 it would be happening at all if it weren't for 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:48.480 the people in that circle. 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:57.720 You really care about it, huh, oh yeah, absolutely. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:00.240 Can it? 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:04.480 Try as I can tell you, I feel like with me, 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.320 I'm as good as the people around me are. Like 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:09.240 I try, I surromise. The people made me. 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.680 Better, right, And that's that's one of the best things 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.199 you can do if you want to be better, surround 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.240 yourself with the best people you can find and whatever. 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:21.040 And that extends into you know, when we're on the 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:24.080 road with a pretty what I will consider a good 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.520 sized crew, and everybody in that crew is that for us. 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:32.520 And I think that's the key to putting on a 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.880 successful tours is you get the absolute best people to 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:36.480 work with you. 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:37.679 Can find at all times. 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:42.160 And uh, there's four on stage, but the four on stage, Yeah, that's. 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.040 I mean, that's that's that's the fist for you. 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:45.000 That's you. 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:49.240 Yeah, it's the type like right there, those four. I 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.560 mean it sounds like ten, but it's you four. 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.840 Yeah, No, that's that's the you know. 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:57.439 And then you know, Dave Cobbs in there when he 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.240 wants to be in there, and uh, you know, Micky 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.319 rolfe Els in there when he has meant to be. 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.040 In there, and Dave go wherever he wants to be 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:05.160 whenever he wants to be like. 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.360 That dude, But interpically, Dave likes the show up for 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.559 things that are really easy travel or very high profile. 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:12.720 Those those are days too. He'll he'll tell you as 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.480 much he likes you know, those the best things to 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.160 go to. You know, this is the easiest things to 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:19.080 go to. So uh oh, let me talk about Blue 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.439 Egg all right? So all right, let's let's switch. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:21.720 It up a bit. 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.760 Uh You you played for Tom Petty, you get to 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:26.800 play it wriglely with Tom Petty. 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:27.200 Yes. 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:33.960 I don't know anyone who loves music, you know, just 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.520 genre less music that didn't love Tom Petty. 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.040 If you don't love Tom Petty, I don't know what's 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:39.880 the matter with you? 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:41.680 Ready to go. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:45.960 Seek some kind of help. It's you know, if you 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:50.120 can't find something in some of Tom Petty's music that 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.679 you like, I worry about you a little bit. 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:57.160 When you're when you're playing before Tom with Tom, did 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:58.560 you take a second and like take. 0:11:58.440 --> 0:11:59.680 It in when you're on stage? 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:02.920 Absolutely, you're well, first of all, we're at wrigley Field. 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:04.920 The first first show we played with him was at 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.480 wrigley Field, And so that alone would be enough to 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:12.400 be like, hey, we're playing a wrigley Field. But then 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:14.440 you add to the fact that we're there with Tom 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:19.520 Petty and the harb Wreckers. It's you know, that's you know, 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.440 if you told seventeen year old me that that was 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:28.200 going down, my head would blow up. And it still 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.679 felt that way a whole lot. You know, Seventeen year 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.040 old me showed up that day it was like really yeah. 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.760 I was just like, yeah, Wrigley Field with Tom Petty 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:38.520 sounds great. 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:45.480 You still get excited? Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah. 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:49.240 Every night it's a new thing, you know, because you know, 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:50.920 we don't run tracks, we don't do any that kind 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.080 of stuff. So every night anything can happen. 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:54.920 Which is crazy because again it's for the most part, 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:58.880 it's four people on stage. Yes, and you don't run tracks. 0:12:58.880 --> 0:12:59.439 That's what I'm saying. 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.520 It sounds like ten people up there. Well, we're just 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.000 playing your dad can and you and you're playing the 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:12.160 lead I am, and you're singing. I watch it and 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.120 I'm just like, okay. 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:15.440 Are you are you harsh on? 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.560 Let's say you're doing a solo, Well you pick a part, 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.319 We're like, oh man, I really I really screwed that up. 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.520 Well I'm gonna screw this. Let's just get one thing 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.120 out of the way. I'm gonna screw up a solo 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.679 at some point in a show, and probably two or 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:32.520 three solos in the show. But hey, it's that way, 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:36.559 you know, it's live, and I've I've learned to just 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.880 laugh it all a little bit, you know, and then 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:41.920 and then see if I can find my way back home, 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:42.240 you know. 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:48.520 So it's Soloing is a very new thing to me. Really. 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:54.040 It's really only something I started doing pretty much right 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.199 before the Travel record because I had two guys in 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.800 the band quit and it got down to me and 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.120 JT and Derek and we had we had. 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:03.520 Three gigs that weekend. I was like, hey, you think 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.880 we can cover this. They're like, I don't know that. 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:07.480 You have a bass player and a drummer. You really don't 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:11.360 have many options. Except it was out of. 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.960 Necessity that that I started doing that, and I was like, well, 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.880 maybe I uncover it, maybe I'll figure something out, and 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.640 then you know, from there, I've learned to forgive myself 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:25.320 my shortcomings as a guitar player and just you know, 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.600 enjoy it, because I do enjoy playing guitar. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:28.160 I really do. 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.120 It's probably as much as I enjoyed saying I enjoy it, 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:37.120 and so you know, maybe someday I'll wake up and 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:41.440 be a real boy, you know, like be a real 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:42.160 guitar player. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.480 You know, whenever you hurt yourself, you just didn't want 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:45.880 to sing, You don't want anybody to come in? Was 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.480 that a like a when you hurt your hand, you 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.840 didn't want to not be able to do both? 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.720 Well, So much of our show is, like I said, 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:58.280 we don't run tracks. There's not a roadmap necessarily for 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:02.040 what we do. A lot of it is very much 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:06.720 something we've developed over time of I'm gonna do this here, 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.120 and you know, and like Derek, A feel things coming 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.560 when I'm playing that he can catch. And so much 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.800 of our show is that if I can't play, we 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.520 can't do a show because nobody coming in is going 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:23.120 to have that you know, understanding of the musicianship within 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:27.680 the circle of the piece. It's not gonna work. It's 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.680 gonna be something different. And I feel like that's selling 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.280 a little short and I don't like that. 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:35.400 When you had to cancel the shows, that sucked for 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:35.840 you that. 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.280 Yeah, well it sucked worse for the people that had 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.360 tickets and plans than it did for me. You know, 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:44.760 I had to deal with. You know, it's still a 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:49.080 little aggravating to deal with, but you know, I felt 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:54.840 worse about the people that I was inconvinced than anything 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.600 I was having to go through. So it'd be fine, 0:15:57.760 --> 0:15:58.280 what's up with. 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:02.280 These the Eagles. That's that's pretty freaking cool. That is cool. 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:07.320 I'll say that, be proud. It's pretty freaking cool. Yeah, man, 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.240 it's it was Eagles with Vince Gill. 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:15.680 So it's just like, yeah, you know, I'm I was 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.960 trying to talk to somebody the other day. 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.400 You know, I paid, I. 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.720 Saved up my money and when the hell is over 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.720 to it was out and I bought me a ticket, 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.520 my brother a ticket, and we would fourth throw up 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:34.440 in Charleston, West Virginia, and they played for four hours, 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.160 and to this day it's one of the greatest shows. 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.000 I've been to. So they played for four hours. 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:39.400 They played for four hours, They played us to the 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.760 Eagles for like two hours, and then the Eagles became 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:45.600 the house bands, so to speak, and they played everybody's solo. 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.000 So, like Henley when did. 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.240 Anything you can think of, yeah, that was solo stuff. 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:53.680 So that you got the Eagles and all their solo stuff. 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:55.880 Did you watch the documentary on CNN that like the 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:59.160 Eagles multi part document you ever see that, No, that's it. 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:00.280 That's the first of all. It was like a hundred 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.800 hours and way better than Face Off. So it covers 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.240 like it's a on Direct TV. On the bus is 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.200 probably not on Direct TV. Okay, well that's on my 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:10.800 own entertainment. I don't have TV at home. 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.400 Here's Derek Spentley on driving to Nashville with his dad 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:17.159 and how he had to learn to balance life on 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:20.359 the road and being a new dad back in the day. 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.240 You mentioned a minute ago in two thousand and eight 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:28.280 when you say your career is stalled. M M nine, Yeah, 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.720 eight or nine, because right now we see you as 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.080 the guy who has You're now in the A it's 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:35.000 hard to get in the A group. 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:36.680 You're in the A group. You're now in the A group. 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.760 I think you're a recent addition, just speaking frankly to 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.480 the your regional edition to the A group. Yeah, B 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.120 plus maybe you're you really are in the I would 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:46.680 tell you if you weren't plus plus. 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:47.720 You're in the U. 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:49.879 You're in the You're in the like you're in that 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.080 mix of is he going to be in the Entertainment 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.159 of Year category. Now it's not He's for sure going 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.000 to be nominated, Like you know Luke is going to 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.360 be nominated, Yeah, and probably gonna win yeh. 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:00.960 And he didn't win ACML, Dean did. 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:02.720 But like you know, Luke's gonna be But you're on 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:04.600 that is he going to be in and it's happened 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:06.800 in the last couple of years. But it's but you're 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:10.200 like the consumate grinder. Yeah, I've used that word a lot. 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.080 It's like the hockey player that goes down there and 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:14.920 not the slap shot guy from out top, not the 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.200 fancy ford that's getting the sweet goals with the guy 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:18.760 that goes down in the corner and digs the pucks out. 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:18.919 You know. 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:20.800 It's probably that's when I play hockey here in town 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.080 in my little league at the Beer League. That's kind 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:24.800 of my role in real life on that hockey team, 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.280 and I think in my career, yeah, it's all about 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:32.119 well grinding. My favorite quote is was written on a 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:34.760 It was the Calvin Coolest quote. But it's about you know, 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.679 persistence and determination. It's you know, education and talent and 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:41.000 genius can't take the place of persistence and determination. That 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:45.040 is the key to my success for sure, and I 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.000 know probably for yours as well. I mean, there's no 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.480 reason why I should be a country singer or a pilot, 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:51.399 but you know, those are just things that I wanted 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:53.440 to do. And if you work harder than anyone else, 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:56.560 you got a better chance of making that happen. 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.680 What what happened in two thousand and eight, two thousand 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:00.440 and nine, and your mind, where do you. 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:01.000 Take a step back? 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.119 You know, I went out on the road with I 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:05.560 played a thousand dates on my own. I went out 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:07.239 of the road with Kenny, and then I went out 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:08.840 of the road towards straight and I went back on 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:10.879 the road with Kenny. And that's usually that's usually the 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.000 platform to jump off of. You know, that's where urban 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.280 flats everyone went through Kenny back when those when we 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:18.200 were starting off. And if you got the Kenny gig boom, 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.200 you were a couple years in New you be headlining 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.080 on your own, and you know, we were really looking 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:23.520 like a two thousand and eight. We'd be bringing out 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:25.000 some video and it's gonna be this kind of the 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.960 ground swell, and really, uh, it's for you know, it's 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.560 just the songs weren't there. That's what it comes down to. 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.639 I was writing pretty much all my own songs, working 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:39.080 love with some friends mind here in town. And and 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.120 it's not their fault either, it's it's it's nobody's fault. 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:42.760 I'm so happy that things are where they are. But 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.040 I think I discovered you can't tour. 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:46.720 I think I was in my mind, I was trying 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.840 to make albums that would be jet fuel for the 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.520 for touring, like how can this album, how can this 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:56.960 song lead to headlining? And that's and you know, I need, 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.280 I need the song help me get there. And that's 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.240 just a terrible way to make records. And nothing against 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.360 those records. Those records still sound like some are still 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:05.080 some of my favorite signing records, but as far as 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:08.600 singles go and songs are going to move the needle, 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.960 and really, uh you know, and I feel like I 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:16.399 just needed to reset. I don't know, I just I 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:18.600 was you can only work so hard, man. I was 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:21.480 working so hard on the road, touring NonStop, you know, 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.760 jumping off stage, I'm stage diving, I'm pulling fans up. 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.679 I'm just you know, known as the hard working men 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.240 in country music, we did like forty one shows. 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:31.160 In forty five days one time. 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:33.080 I mean, I'm out there all the time, and I'm 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.000 trying to rush back here and make records and go 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:35.720 back out there again. 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:38.119 It just it just doesn't It just doesn't work that way. 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:40.159 So I was on the road in two thousand and 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.760 eight or nine with Paisley and except I tried my 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:46.080 headlining thing, it just wasn't working. So it was like, okay, 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:48.919 retreat Brad was I had a chance to go with 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:51.600 Brad and it was on that tour and I was 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.159 opening for him, and there's a lot going on that tour. 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:57.960 Weren't really getting a chance to sound check, and there's 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.560 just the vibe of my band just as it was 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.000 kind of the tour that just everyone just like, you know, 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.600 we're just only playing for forty five minutes, and it's 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.760 just the songs weren't really there. And I just was 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:10.000 like in the back of my bus one day and 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.199 I remember thinking, I'm gonna make a bluegrass record. I'm 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:14.120 wanna make a blue grass record and a country record, 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:16.280 and just I need to get creative. That's what I 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:18.320 kept thinking, is I need to get creative, because when 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.560 you're you're in that opening slot, especially after you've headlined 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:22.960 for a little while, it's techic go back and just 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:25.400 do forty five minutes of the same show every night. 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:26.679 You know, you're trying to make the most of that 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:28.320 forty five minutes, so you kind of get locked into 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:29.640 doing the same show. 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:31.359 And it just killed all of us. 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:35.040 So I left and made ended up making just just 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:37.600 a bluegrass record, and uh it really and I went 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:39.679 back in the process of making that, being off the 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:43.320 grid and not worrying about singles or touring or anything, 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.600 just trying to make a great record that stood alone 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:51.600 by itself and existed just for for itself totally rechanged 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:54.320 my thinking. And you know, I still looking around people 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.920 like Miranda Lambert and you know she only writes half 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:59.879 an album, if even that, you know, and Lady A 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.240 and these people at the time were like, you know, 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.919 they're collecting great songs. You know, they came to realize 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:08.440 that after your second album, you can't write an entire 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:10.879 album just there's no time. You're touring all the time. 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:13.280 You saw some man of the responsibilities I had. I 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:15.600 was married at this point, as kids too, So the 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:16.960 blue grass record, you know, I was working with the 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.760 guy m John Randall one of my best friends, and 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.720 he was bringing me great songs from Christopherson and Buddy 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:25.600 Miller and just we started making a collection of an 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:27.760 album that had my input but also had songs that 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:29.880 kind of rounded out what I was trying to say 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:31.280 or the field the album. 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:33.600 And I carry that on with working with. 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:36.639 Ross Kapperman into the next couple of albums and uh, 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:40.119 really trying to make albums that don't worry about touring, 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:41.200 do worry about anything. 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:43.399 Who cares? Just make a great record. 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:45.840 And one of the great things now I don't have 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.280 an A lister, but who are am in my career 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:51.119 is there's the better off you are doing touring and 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:53.080 the more of you you have those fans, more freedom 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:55.240 you have to say, who cares, Let's make the record 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:57.080 you really want to make. I feel like that's why 0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:59.960 Keith is making like his best records, Keith Thurman's records 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.040 me just get better and better each time because I 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.960 feel like he's even more like I don't care. I'm 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:07.880 gonna make great music that makes me happy that I 0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:09.720 like and hopefully you like it too. But there's no 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:12.520 there's no math behind it. You know, it's just totally. 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:14.480 It's pure art and he didn't have to worry about 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:17.520 where he's gonna get his next meal. You know, he's 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:19.760 just making great records. And I feel like there's on 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:21.959 both ends of the spectrum. When you're first starting off 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:24.040 and you're so hungry, and then when you get to 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:25.439 place you have a little bit of success and you 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:26.760 have that freedom that it brings. 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:28.040 To you, you can really make your best records. And I 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:30.159 feel like that's what's happening now. I'm not sure to 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:31.880 I answer your question, but yeah, you and Keith get 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:32.560 along pretty well. 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:34.680 I love him man too. It's hard for me to 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:35.959 be friends with them because I just have so much 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:38.560 respect for him. It's like we're good friends, but at 0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:40.320 the same time, like you're Keith Urban. 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:43.080 It's almost it's almost like why do you This is 0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:46.159 the feeling I have with him because him and I 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:47.760 are closer than him than. 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:48.520 Me and other arms. 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:50.440 Yeah, and he's one of the guys I like when 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:52.520 we'll talk to off the show. But it's like what 0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:54.080 I was, like, why do you want to be friends 0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:57.600 with me? He like, you're so smart, yeah, and he's 0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:00.399 so talented and you're so rich, like everything about you 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:02.679 is way better than why would you want to be 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:03.159 friends with me? 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:04.160 That's how I feel with him. 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:06.159 He is for me. 0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:10.080 He's like a he's like a beacon. He's someone I 0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:13.960 look up to for advice on just for for lifestyle 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:16.639 and management and how you approach things. And he's just 0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:20.639 he's so present, which is something I always you know, 0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:23.360 that's my main thing with anything I do is trying 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:25.320 to be as present as possible in the moment that 0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:25.639 I'm in. 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:27.679 And he really is a true reflection of that. 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:28.960 I mean when when you speak to him, and you 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:31.280 talk to him, he's so focused on what you have 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:35.320 to say. He's listening, and uh, it's very uncommon in 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:38.080 this business full you know, singers and people are trying 0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:41.320 to look at me and you know are have like 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:43.119 five seconds look into your eyes and they're kind of 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:45.240 thinking about the next thing. He's just really focused and 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:47.800 present and has great advice and he's been through a lot, 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:52.400 so he can offer a good good gems. But whenever 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:55.199 I see him a choosing on a Sunday, uh and 0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:56.920 we're doing some with our kids or something, and I'm 0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.000 like coming off the road and just beat up my brain. 0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:02.400 His brains are aready functioning faster than mind. Anyway, I'm 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:04.359 coming off like no sleep, I'm tired. I'm trying to 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:07.439 make conversation with him, like hopefully I see you one day, 0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:09.840 and I'm not like just so exhausted because it'd be 0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:10.119 fun to. 0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:11.960 Talk, like have an actual real conversation. 0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:19.840 Hang tight, the Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow, 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:22.679 and we're back on the Bobby Cast. 0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:24.439 What was that for you? 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:25.720 What was the song that were you kind of switched 0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:27.320 it up for You're like, oh boy, we're a different 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:28.240 plant Field now. 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:32.439 As man, I think my career has been so different 0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:34.800 than anyone else's. I know it's it's just been so 0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:36.679 such a long slow. 0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:38.440 What comes to mind where you're like, I'll be talking 0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:42.040 a plane changed a lot for me. I'm getting drunk 0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:45.959 on playing. I mean the biggest song, this song had 0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:47.400 a big like body. 0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:51.800 The most important song of my whole career, and I 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:53.320 say every night when I'm on stage is as I 0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:56.080 Hold On. That's a song that like connects the most 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:59.560 of the whole most personal song for me. I wrote 0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:02.360 a rap my I passed away and the audience, man, 0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:06.000 those it's a song in the show where like we're 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:06.520 having a party. 0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:07.639 Thing's fun. It's awesome. 0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:09.320 We're all fully connect because we're all having so much 0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:11.640 fun and throwing a party. In this song I play, 0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:13.719 it's just like it loses in a different direction. It's 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.800 it's it's more just like this instead of this. It's 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:20.600 like we just come together over the let's share sentiment 0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:22.480 of the whole amount of things that mean something to you, 0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:25.600 and it's it's more important song. 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:29.320 The important, but not the one you felt flipped you like, 0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:31.800 oh boy, this is it. I remember the day drunk 0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:33.600 on a playing like I heard of at the first time. Yeah, 0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:35.640 you brought it into the studio. I hadn't been played yet, 0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:37.000 and you were like, I want you to hear this song. 0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:38.600 I was like, this is a real song, drunk on 0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:40.960 a playing. I thought you were messing with me. Yeah, 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:43.440 And I almost didn't even put it on the record. Really, 0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:45.600 who makes that call then to put it on the record. 0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:49.280 Just you know, I'm so everyone I work with there's 0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:50.399 such an open communication. 0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:52.119 If I like even the label. 0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:54.680 With Mike and sending everyone to Capital, If if I 0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.000 have doubts about something, they don't immediately jump on that 0:26:57.080 --> 0:26:59.879 new set to promote their agenda. Everyone just just like cooling, 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:01.879 work out together and work with Mary and we just 0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:05.479 kind of like and our tour and my executive producer 0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:07.919 and Ross and just okay, let's put it on there, 0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:08.080 you know. 0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:09.960 But then they make it a single you're talking about 0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:11.399 like completely left of center. 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:11.760 I know. 0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:15.919 I remember I had some people like that's all will 0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:19.240 never worked. Man, Red necks don't fly like I don't know. 0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:20.440 I don't know if it will work either, but it's 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:22.520 it's I'm a pilot and I love you know. At 0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:24.680 the time, it was a few drinks and it was 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:27.560 it was. But it is a huge song for me, 0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:27.920 for sure. 0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:30.680 It was a month it was. It was a monster. Yeah, 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:33.840 and then it flew up the charts. Yeah, it was big. 0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:36.119 I remember the day it came on the radio. We 0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:38.119 did a debut, like a world premire of it, and 0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:39.760 it played all day long. And I won't say what 0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:41.959 it is, but I was like, man, this sounds really good, right, 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:44.360 because I like things that are different. Yeah, I don't care. 0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:47.280 I like taking big chances and hitting home runs more 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:50.280 so than being consistent and just you know, having that 0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:51.359 three hundred bating average. 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:51.680 Yeah. 0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:53.240 So it came out I was like, man, I love 0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:55.200 this song because this is sound like anything else, and 0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:57.400 that one of our radio guys, with a big radio guy, 0:27:57.560 --> 0:27:58.240 he was like, this sucks. 0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:02.199 Sucks, We're gonna work. It's too weird. No, it's not. 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:06.160 Obviously it wasn't right because but like I love this song. 0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:08.160 You know a song I loved yours it didn't work 0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:11.480 for you was Bourbon in Kentucky. Yeah, well you and Casey. 0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:13.520 I loved that song too. 0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:16.159 That album cycle is so funny because I put up 0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:18.600 Bourbon it didn't work, pulled it back, put out I 0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:21.000 Hold On, which probably you know, was a huge songf 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:22.840 for me, then Drunk on a Plane, which was obviously 0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:25.920 the biggest song off that album. But Bourbon, it was 0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:27.960 a great song that Hillary Lindsay wrote, and I just 0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:30.280 I love that song. And I had to call her up. 0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:32.119 She's down Orange Beach. She had a few drinks and 0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:33.600 I was like hey, She's like, hey, what are you doing. 0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:37.320 I was like, you're not gonna believe this, but we're 0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:40.080 pulling that song and she was like so confused. She's 0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:41.680 just like I thought the next time I heard from 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:43.280 me would be like the number one party. I'm like 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:45.560 I've never had a pull song for my life. But 0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:48.440 it's the middle of summer and I'm getting all his 0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:51.080 feedback that the song's too dark, and that's why I 0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:53.560 loved it, though I know, I mean, I know I 0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:56.960 love it too, and I just everyone's everyone around. He 0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:58.479 was like, it's just not gonna work, and you can 0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:00.880 either work it for thirty weeks and have it die 0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:04.080 in the thirties or make a change now. It was 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:06.320 the first song off the record, and I hate that. 0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:09.600 It was a great tune, but yeah, just that's what 0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:10.880 happens sometimes. 0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:13.960 What for you, because the artists will come in and say, hey, 0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:17.200 this is like, for example, I think, who was it? 0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:20.800 My American kids like Kenny cut a little big town 0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:24.400 had it yeah, and Kenny cut it yeah, and so. 0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.080 No, no, Kenny had it. Wait, yeah, a little bit 0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:30.200 down had it. Yeah, a little bit down had it. Yeah. 0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:32.040 Shane was telling the story. Okay, now it's all sorts 0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:34.640 of yeah, a little Shane had it. He's on a 0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:39.440 flight and uh, he's on a flight with Kennedy. He 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:41.280 plays his song for Kken. He's like, I gotta have 0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:42.959 the song. But Shane's like, I'm too scared to tell 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:44.600 him a little bit now I's already cut it. Yeah, 0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:46.120 so he has to call they have to call a 0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.000 little big down and Kenny said like, I would love 0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:51.440 to have this song. And Shane's like oh, and Kenny's like, 0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:54.120 I want to make this the single. Oh yeah, and 0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:55.880 He's like, it's up to you, guys, it's your song. 0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:59.040 You've already started paying your your tracking it. And so 0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:01.600 a little big town gave this song American Kids to Kenny. 0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:02.160 Yeah. 0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:04.880 So a lot of people come to the stories like, man, 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:06.400 I had this song and then I was like, yeah, 0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:07.360 last minute, I let it go. 0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:10.800 I have a bunch of songs that like I heard 0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:13.200 and I because the main thing if you're picking singles 0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:14.840 you got to pick are picking songs. You gotta pick 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:17.120 songs that are hits, but also their hits for you, 0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:20.080 and that's that's that's how you get the big hits 0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:20.760 out of the park. 0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:21.520 And I hit three hundreds. 0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:24.120 When you pick singles that are like made for you, 0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:26.040 you think of songs like Don't Close your Eyes by 0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:29.200 Keith Whitley, songs that like We're just as a singer 0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:32.520 was made for that song, John Party song during my Boots. 0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:34.479 I heard that song. I think before he you know, 0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:35.440 before he cut. 0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:36.719 It, and what did you think when you heard it? 0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:40.240 Huge hit? This is a monster, This is a huge song. 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:41.680 There's a line there about. 0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:44.080 A tractor, you know, and I was like that, I 0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:45.600 don't have that tractor factor. 0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:46.720 You know, I don't have that thing. It's not what 0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:48.440 I do. So, like, I could either try to change 0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:50.560 this song up to make it work for me, or 0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:52.200 just let it go and help those guys, you know. 0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:53.120 I don't want the songwriters. 0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:56.120 I want them to find for songwriters, man, they might 0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.720 get one or two great Oh these guys, they probably 0:30:58.720 --> 0:30:59.800 get five great songs. 0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:00.400 Right. 0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:03.360 I don't want to stand away someone's like baby and 0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:06.560 tied up, because that's the way Nashville used to be. 0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:09.800 People to hold songs like yours, you know, hold thirty 0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:12.400 forty songs to the record, and the hold was respected 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.720 nowadays as it should be. It's not like you either 0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:17.640 cut it or you don't. And if you're you're you're 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:19.440 taking your time. I'm gonna pictck it to somebody else 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:20.160 and get them to cut it. 0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:20.280 You know. 0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:22.080 Songwriters have more power now, I think than they did 0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:24.000 back in the late nineties. 0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:27.960 But so that song Whiskey Lullaby is a song that 0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:30.800 came that I oh, that's a good herd and I 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:33.440 was like, ah, and then and why why not that one? 0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:33.640 What? 0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:33.840 What? 0:31:33.840 --> 0:31:34.280 What? That? 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:37.520 It's just uh, I don't know just what, you know. 0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:38.880 I didn't hear it as a duet that the way 0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:40.280 Brad heard it, which is genius. 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:43.680 It just wasn't. I don't know. I just didn't have it, 0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:46.120 didn't do it, didn't do something for me. I don't 0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:46.600 know what it was. 0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:48.000 But there's that happens all the time, but for me, 0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:50.480 it's there. I ever go, oh my gosh, I'm kicking myself. 0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:53.920 I'm always like, I'm happy for that that song found 0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:54.960 the right home and made its way. 0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:56.440 There's there's always another song out there. 0:31:56.480 --> 0:31:58.800 Who have you heard the opposite where you got this long? 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:01.200 Because somebody else was like, and you made it a 0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:03.040 hit and they have to be well, man, you know, 0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:04.520 somewher on the Beach was a big deal. 0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:05.400 It really was. 0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:05.680 Man. 0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:08.960 That was like, uh, yeah, I. 0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:14.000 Had this song on hold. And there's five guys who 0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:15.440 wrote that song. And there's a lot of people wanted 0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:21.200 that song, and I just who wanted it wrote One 0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:23.760 of those the writers of the song. I'm totally drawing 0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:26.000 a blank right now. My brain is what happens when 0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:28.240 you're on the road for three days straight. But well, actually, 0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:30.440 Michael Knox, I think I think Michael Knox wanted it 0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:31.880 for one of his artists of what it was, and 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:34.400 we kept saying, you know, our tour. I luckily I 0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:37.120 don't to fight those battles. My one of my producers 0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:39.800 really goes in the trenches for that stuff and it 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:41.760 worked out as a big hit for for me and 0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:43.200 it helps him go on the road and kind of 0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:44.800 have a song and talk about But at the same time, 0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:45.800 I know it's to be tough. 0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:46.520 When you're a new artist. 0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:49.120 You know, a big song that that's different you can 0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:50.600 kind of set you apart from other people. 0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:53.640 But I hopefully they're happy it was a big hit. 0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:54.000 You know. 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.680 It's like Lady A you know, Lady has You Look good? Notice. 0:32:56.920 --> 0:33:00.600 Yeah, And that was Thomas Rhetts first. That's his song, 0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:02.400 and it was he didn't write it, he had it 0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:04.720 okay and he was like he was gonna cut it huge. 0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:06.640 It's awesome the whole I mean and the whole. But 0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:08.640 every artist does different things with it too. Yes, that's 0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:10.400 what we don't know too, Like, yeah, what are you 0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:12.480 gonna do different about? Like Kenny's totally was like this 0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:14.680 beach vibe. Who knows how Little Big Tow went cut 0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:16.560 it and tracked it when what they would have had 0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:17.200 as a part of. 0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:21.160 This song, and it's it's yeah, totally, it's you know, 0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:22.840 I think all you can do. I mean, it's just 0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:25.160 the business we're in and in life in general, is 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:28.719 you have to like you cannot like hold like that 0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:30.720 you could. You got to be have an attitude of 0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.320 gratitude and be thankful for what you got. And if 0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:35.880 something it's all meant to be, it's it's it's there's 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:38.640 a reason why you didn't cut that song. There's just 0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:40.120 wanted someone else to cut the song. And otherwise you're 0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:42.360 gonna drive yourself crazy and you're gonna be resentful and you're 0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:44.320 gonna be you're you're playing a small game and you 0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:46.160 should be playing a much bigger game where you're looking 0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:48.760 at a macro view of it, not just this micro. 0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:52.080 Like song song, song, song song. If you're you know, 0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:53.360 that's not that's not the work. 0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:57.080 Jake Cohen says he owes his career and where he 0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:59.920 is today to the Nashville songwriters that he met real 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:03.520 early on. Because here, I'll tell you, I was talking 0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:06.720 to Ross Kapperman and good Man. 0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:08.319 We were talking about you know, we had a. 0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:11.279 Really good talk and he's coming to the stand up 0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:15.880 show Saturday. Just talked to him and we were you know, 0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:17.959 you kind of get lost in these conversations and didn't 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:19.200 feel like this microphone in front of you. 0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:19.640 For a while. 0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:22.760 And we're talking about songs, and I'm just so interested 0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:24.640 in the songwriter part of it for me, Like that's 0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:27.080 why I started this thing. Were like, I'm interested in 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:31.520 songwriters and why they write songs, artists, artist or songwriter, 0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:34.400 songwriter a song I just wanted to know, Like I 0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:36.080 want to put some light in a place that really 0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:38.560 there's not a lot of lights shined on. And so 0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.160 I was like, so tell me you write these songs. 0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:45.640 These these guys take these cuts that aren't theirs, Like 0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.279 most artists, if it's fifty to fifty or if it's 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:50.960 sixty forty, they'll still go with their own song over 0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:54.080 another cut if if it's close. And he was like, 0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:57.239 you're right, that does happen a lot, he said, But 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:00.960 you know, here's what Kenny Chesney had told him. He said, 0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:03.160 you will sell more and merch if you have a 0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:06.759 hit it's not yours. Then if it's a great song, 0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:08.520 then if you have a good song, it is yours. 0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:09.600 The money you'll make. 0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:11.560 Yeah, And he. 0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:13.560 Was like, that's what a lot of artists. And again 0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:17.160 he's a songwriter who isn't and who's not on the radio. 0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:19.440 So you gotta understand way's come up from a biased 0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:21.840 agenda phil place. We all are, I am, your everybody is. 0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:24.440 But he was like, you know, that's what the new 0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:27.040 artist should know, and that's what artists should know, Like 0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:30.720 you should take outside song from songwriters, because here's Kenny Chesney, 0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:33.480 who I don't know that Chesney writes anything on his 0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:34.240 records anymore. 0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:38.319 Yeah, he has very little. Yeah, so but. 0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:40.759 He's not he doesn't, it's not it doesn't matter to him. 0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:41.960 He wants to find great songs. 0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:43.279 Well, he said, what's. 0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:45.920 Yeah, And that's why Kenny's always been great. He's found 0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:48.640 the greatest way possible of doing something, whether it be 0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:50.680 a song, whether it be a show, whether it be 0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:53.880 his body working out. Like the guy does everything to 0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:58.400 a high level, and he expects a high level of 0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:01.680 of everything and his music. He's written great songs that 0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:04.279 were number one hits. You know, I go back, you 0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:08.080 wrote that by himself? I think, but a lot like 0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:10.319 I've learned from him being on the road as many 0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:13.000 much as I was. Where he was like, Jake, you 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.120 just got to take what's the best song. And he's right, 0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:19.440 because my first two albums I wrote every song everything. 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:23.160 And it wasn't until I recorded Barefoot Blue je Night 0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:26.160 and heard Eric Possel singing the demo on it, I 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:28.919 was like, man, this sounds like me. And I didn't 0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:31.120 write it, but it sounds like me. I thought, was it. 0:36:31.080 --> 0:36:33.239 Tough for you to take an outside song for the 0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:35.320 first time and go, well. 0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:38.400 Here's what a lot of people don't know either, Like 0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:42.160 when you come to town, when you're come to town 0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:44.799 and you're just a guy that is trying to make 0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:48.200 it and be validated as a great Like I wanted 0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:49.440 people in town to be like, man, have you heard 0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:51.280 this j Kid. He's a great singer, he's a great songwriter, 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:53.680 He's a great I felt like in order to get 0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:57.400 that buzz happening, I had to write my own songs 0:36:57.440 --> 0:36:59.600 and write with other songwriters and show that I could 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:03.000 I could do that. But and I was also with 0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:04.759 a buddy of mine who was helping me. We were 0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:06.680 writing everything together, and I was being loyal to him 0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:11.080 and never realized that by reaching into this beautiful, deep 0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:12.880 well of songwriters. 0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:15.960 That you can have a hit that and and people 0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:16.879 don't care. They don't. 0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:20.160 You're just as much validated if you have a if 0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:22.040 you because you know, what's funny is, I think probably 0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:24.239 a lot of people thought I probably wrote Barefoot Blue 0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:28.359 j Knight because it was so much like me, but. 0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:30.359 It also made it sound like you too. That's also yeah, 0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:30.920 well thank you. 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:31.239 Yeah. 0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:34.480 I think that's what I realized is that I had 0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:39.320 hits by songs I wrote. I had a career song 0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:44.360 by taking an outside song, which that career song started 0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.680 a string of Alone with You was next and went 0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:50.920 number one. Uh, Anywhere with You was the third one. 0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:52.960 It went number one. Well a second, let's let's learn 0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:54.440 over a second. Le me tell you my favorite. 0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:54.759 Jake On song. 0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:56.240 This one here. 0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:04.880 Songhand and that's not some beechy coastal song, you know, 0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:06.799 it's just a song that I And what's funny is 0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:09.319 Shane Mcanawly wrote this song and I told him for 0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:11.480 a year before I recorded it, I didn't even have 0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:11.959 it on hold. 0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:13.680 I was just like, dude, I love that song. I 0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:14.879 was like, I hate the line in. 0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:17.640 It you got edge every time you call? 0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:21.280 Uh? He said, you you don't have to, I sang 0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:22.520 and change the lyrics. 0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:25.879 You've got me out on the edge every time you call. 0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:28.600 You know what he said originally in this in that line, 0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:32.560 no kidding, said you've got me running. 0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:37.080 With scissors now the hall, Yeah, you know, okay? 0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:39.640 And he said because he was right reading a book 0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:40.920 called running with Scissors. 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:46.160 Another book, dude. And I was like, no, that's terrible. 0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:49.239 I was like I can't know, and like I was like, 0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:51.400 I don't run with ever since my mom was a 0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:53.400 I was a kid. My mom's like, don't run with scissors. Like, 0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:56.560 and I understand the idea of it, but like, isn't 0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:58.000 it more of a metaphor? Now I'm not saying the 0:38:58.000 --> 0:38:59.640 line was right now, I like the line change, but 0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:01.879 isn't it a metapal run with scissors? Like it's a metaphor. Yeah, 0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:04.200 it is a metaphor. And I know it was a metaphor, 0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:07.200 but there's also lines and songs like that's the thing 0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:09.759 getting back to taking outside songs. There's so many times 0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:11.319 I hear songs I'm like, I love it, love it, 0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:12.759 love it, love it, love it, love it, love it. 0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:14.920 What did you just say? I'm like, uh huh. And 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:17.799 that one thing. It's kind of like, you know, people 0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:19.719 say they're not like vain or whatever, but you might 0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:21.440 be like super into a dude or a guy or 0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:23.879 whatever and be like, oh everything about him, Oh my god, 0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:25.120 he's one like big toe. 0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:28.439 It's just like and it turns you off. Right. I'm 0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:30.239 not saying I've ever done that. I'm just saying. 0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:34.200 People people can be like particular about certain things. And 0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:35.799 that's how I am with songs. Like if I hear 0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:38.040 one thing that, it'll throw me off, so I either 0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:41.279 have to rewrite it and then just say, hey man, 0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:42.799 I'll cut this song. I just had to rewrite this 0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:44.239 one part. But that's one thing I'll tell you I've 0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:46.200 never done. You can ask Eric Paslay this and he 0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:49.360 talked about it on this really for extensively. Like I 0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:52.160 cannot take credit on like even if I write something 0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:55.240 within a song, since the song wasn't originally my idea, 0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:59.960 I can never feel comfortable taking credit for that, Eric, 0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:02.880 because they set me up for the home run. I 0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:04.680 just and I didn't have anything to do with it. 0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:06.879 I'd rather give the credit back to their songwriter. That's 0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:09.720 where it to do. Songwriter's man or songwriters have made 0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:13.160 my I'm a songwriter, but these other songwriters in Nashville, 0:40:13.920 --> 0:40:17.160 Ross Coffin, I mean, he produced and it was a 0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:20.680 big part Shane of my last album. And without these 0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:23.520 types of guys like I wouldn't I wouldn't be where 0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:25.160 I am in my career. I wouldn't have the things 0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:28.080 I have in my life, No way, absolutely not. So 0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:29.879 I always get to give that back to them. 0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:33.160 Yeah, Eric talked for a long time about how you 0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:37.120 came into that song and fixed it to be you 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:40.759 a lot and didn't want any credit for it, Like 0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:43.080 he was like it was kind of unbelievable that he 0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:46.399 came in, did so much rearranging of things that made 0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:48.680 it felt like his song and never asked for anything. 0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:51.200 Man, I just I don't feel like it's right. 0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:53.400 Plus, it will all come back around one day, you know, 0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:55.480 like I've always looked at it, like you do the 0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:57.840 right thing right, good things come back around. 0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:01.520 Barefoot Blue Jenn Number one Alone with You number one 0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:02.160 one that. 0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:04.479 Got away When we got away every one. I wrote 0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:09.040 that song, Uh true story about a girl of it 0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:12.839 just came to town in my small town, go to beach, 0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:14.839 Florida and met her one summer and she went away 0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:15.520 and never met. 0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:16.680 Never saw her ever again. 0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:19.680 And I thought this song actually would like as much 0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:22.839 like the reset that story, that person would pop up 0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:24.120 and be like, did. 0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:26.719 You ever look for on Facebook? You never even looked 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:26.880 for it. 0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:28.239 I don't even have a Facebook, man. 0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:31.520 Yeah, that didn't mean you didn't have Facebook, like old Jabe, 0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:33.080 Twitter or something old Jake. 0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:36.279 Maybe my Space. I looked up around MySpace a. 0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.200 Lot of places in our lifetime. We've got to see 0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:41.320 it all like start. Yeah, how about uh. 0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:45.960 For Jane too? Yeah? Another song I didn't write. I 0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:48.120 did not write that song. I just love it. David 0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:50.799 Lee Murphy wrote this song, I think with Ben Hayslip 0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:55.440 and Uh, well, man, I feel terrible. I'm forgetting the 0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:56.960 third writer on this song right. 0:41:56.760 --> 0:42:00.239 Now because we had a great night in d and 0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:02.719 my awards or game my show that I did. There 0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:05.640 you came out the first time and introduced team Actually 0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:07.919 if you remember that did yeah you did? 0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:09.759 Yeah? 0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:13.040 Again, it's been I've been here four years now, you did. 0:42:13.080 --> 0:42:14.160 That's when I gave you that photo. 0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:16.719 Lived twenty years. Yeah, does it feel like you've been 0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:17.520 here one hundred years. 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:20.600 Yeah. But I love it here, like I moved here 0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:22.080 because I love it here, Dude. 0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:24.680 I love it here. I hate the industry. I love 0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:26.800 the people, and I love the part of the country. 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:28.879 And I love the listeners of my show because they're 0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:30.319 normal people and I get to be a normal person 0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:30.600 with them. 0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:33.239 Yeah, I hate the music industry. Here's the thing about 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:35.719 the music industry. And this is dude, I could say 0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:40.000 whatever I want about the music industry and it wouldn't 0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:43.359 matter one way or another as far as you know 0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:46.040 how I feel or whatever. No one gives us a 0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:49.520 crap about what I think. But I do believe that 0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:51.279 there are so and I think you have to admit 0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:53.440 in this, like the music industry gets a rep for 0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:57.279 what it is. But there's so many great people, dude, Like, 0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:00.000 there are so many great people and so many creative 0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:02.680 a lot of people and so many like, there's so 0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:04.439 many people that have helped like, and I keep going 0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:06.640 back to it, like I know because I've messed up 0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:07.720 many of times I've said. 0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:09.279 Things that people I should never said. I've done that, 0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:10.160 like and. 0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:13.560 I've said things that I didn't They weren't even meant 0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:16.120 the way they received them that were played against me. 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:20.080 But I've learned that like in a town where people 0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:23.960 in and then this business, which is creative, by the 0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:26.440 worst thing you can do is be like the negative 0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:29.040 nanny of the day, you know about the business, because 0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:30.880 I found like it can turn against you quick. 0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:36.239 Here's John Party talking about moving to Nashville and the 0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:39.200 time he got stabbed right before he moved. 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:44.120 I mean, there's a lot before Nashville. When was it okay? 0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:47.080 So you start making music in California about what age 0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:49.880 when you start actually performing and making some money and thinking, okay, 0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:51.759 maybe I could do something musically. 0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:55.080 Well, I have a first band of fourteen and we 0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:58.920 played the Dixon Mayfair and you know, like during it 0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:03.160 was kind of like rock and roll punkish, kind of 0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:07.160 like the rebellion from being growing up singing Alan Jackson 0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:08.080 and George Strait And. 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:11.120 Were you still doing some like Nirvana any of the 0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:12.400 nineties mock. 0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:13.560 Me we we did? 0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:16.200 You know, we were in the letter skinnered phase and 0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:18.919 like you know, some classic rock and Tom Petty, lots 0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:22.000 of Tom Petty. All of my friends jammed out to 0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:24.719 like Rage Against Machine and Nirvana and you know, like 0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:25.719 Blink Blink. 0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:27.480 Went a two and Green Day were huge at a time. 0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:32.160 And and and I kind of took that when you 0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:34.560 ask the question when you start like playing for real 0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:37.360 and kind of making tips and stuff. Eighteen but I 0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:39.960 was singing country again, but I had this like kind 0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:43.640 of fast rock and roll vibe to it. And then 0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:46.839 I went to a place called Chico, California, and has 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:48.799 a college there called Chico State, and it is like 0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:52.920 party down, good time, and formed a country band and learned. 0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:54.400 And I had a mandolin player and he kind of 0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:56.680 taught me a lot about bluegrass. And so we had 0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:59.720 this up about eighteen years old. Here I was nineteen 0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:04.160 nineteen twenty. Basically that lasted nineteen to twenty two. 0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:06.360 And then after that I moved to Nashville. 0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:06.319 And. 0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:08.480 I was new. 0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:09.600 I wanted to move in Nashville. 0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:12.160 I took some trips out kind of you know, realize 0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:14.680 that I should probably be twenty one so I can 0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:16.080 get into the bars. 0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:18.680 You know, like hang out and like get up and 0:45:18.719 --> 0:45:19.640 do a microphone. 0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:21.960 You get there's still places you can play with back 0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:23.480 in two thousand and eight, you know, even that way, 0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:26.120 maybe I moved here with an atlas, like I didn't 0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:28.520 have GPS on my phone, like it's still kind of 0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:29.279 it was. 0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:30.839 It seemed so like. 0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:34.400 Really, did you have a horse and a buggy? And 0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:38.359 it seems like so long ago, years ago? Yeah, like 0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:40.440 what would you do without your GPS now? But there 0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:41.120 we're back in the day. 0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:43.040 We have maps, and it was pretty easy. It was 0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:46.720 three three highways and. 0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:47.640 What's that drive? What's that drive? 0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:48.760 Like three days? 0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:53.919 Yeah, three days of excitement, you know, twenty two. 0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:57.640 I was excited, like I'm doing it. My mom was sad. 0:45:57.719 --> 0:45:59.760 My dad was like, go get a job. 0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:00.759 Like trying to. 0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:05.040 He's such a worker, but he you know, my dad. 0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:07.160 Everybody pushed me to go to Nashville. 0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:07.480 You know. 0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:09.719 It's they always said, ain't gonna happen here, you know, 0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:14.600 And so saved up some money when I was working 0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:16.520 for my dad, and I got my dog in a 0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:20.000 PA system and I drove to Nashville, found a place 0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:22.839 to live and was on the grind, you know, kind 0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:24.760 of hanging out and. 0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:26.839 You drove three days, three three and a half. 0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:29.040 I think, so you and your dog, you sleep in 0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:31.960 the truck, you stop at hotels that we kept the dogs. 0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:37.920 He'd stay in the truck because sometimes I'm stinking in 0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:40.120 but we had you know, he had guitars and stuff 0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:43.080 back there, and he like, he wasn't the dog that 0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:46.560 you wanted to open the camber fell you would like 0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:51.319 he would bite you and he's scary, and uh so 0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:53.359 he kind of and he was fine staying in the truck. 0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:56.719 So how do you get a place to lift, Like 0:46:56.760 --> 0:46:59.120 if you're coming from California, northern California or so, and 0:46:59.160 --> 0:46:59.680 you gotta find a. 0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:00.920 Place of people. 0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:02.880 Well, it came to a couple of trips that I've 0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:05.759 come out, you know, like you can easily network and 0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:06.880 you know, kind. 0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:08.840 Of meet people. And I just did that, and I 0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:09.920 you know, I was excited. 0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:11.640 I live within you know, when you're twenty two, you 0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:15.799 live in a bathroom. You know, if you had if 0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:18.919 it was cheap enough to you know, provide and and 0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:20.279 a lot of those people I don't even I don't 0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:21.040 even talk to you anymore. 0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.719 It is like that that phase where it's just you know. 0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:27.120 Kind of starting at the bottom, I mean the bottom 0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:31.120 learning learning the town learn to learning how it was 0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:33.120 back in the day. I mean it's totally different. 0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:36.440 Now you move here, you're twenty two, you moving with 0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:39.760 a roommate or two. Yeah, how do you start? Meaning 0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:43.200 if you get here, you met a few people on 0:47:43.200 --> 0:47:44.640 some trips where you come check it out, But how 0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:48.759 do you start making a life in music? What's the first. 0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:49.279 Thing that you do? 0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:50.720 Well? 0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:55.360 I had songs I've written in Northern California with my 0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:56.560 band called. 0:47:56.360 --> 0:47:58.520 Northern Comfort shout out doing the Comfort. 0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:01.560 That were fun, they were upbeat, they were different, you know, 0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:03.839 And so I always had that in my back pocket. 0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:07.480 I never like really even shared that, but I just 0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:09.640 go out and mingle. I got a job as a 0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:14.520 lifeguard and an after school counselor. That kind of helped 0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:22.040 me get by and and and uh, I got it 0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:24.360 back up before really getting down to the nitty gritty 0:48:24.360 --> 0:48:31.200 of how I survived the long haired days. So in 0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:34.560 my neighborhood, while I was living in a basement, there 0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:36.799 was a townhouse that you can get with no payment. 0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:37.480 Down in Nashville. 0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:41.239 Yeah, And my mom was like, she was all co 0:48:41.400 --> 0:48:44.280 signed with it. It wasn't you know, going from California 0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:47.759 and Nashville that townhouse wasn't too bad, but I. 0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:51.760 Had like four rooms and two and a half bathrooms. 0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:54.560 It's like I could totally rent this out. And like 0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:56.840 I literally rented every room at the house. 0:48:56.920 --> 0:49:00.279 And that was I was paying my mortgage and I 0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:03.400 was playing and I had my little lifeguarden job. But 0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:07.880 I did, you know, through mingling basically and kind of 0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:09.759 getting that one shot to get up there and play 0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:13.359 a song at the time, and you know, everybody kind 0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:15.360 of liked and it was fun and we get like 0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:16.760 get down and play that song again. 0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:18.040 And uh. 0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:20.960 That kind of happened in a place called Losers and 0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:24.279 that was kind of like my home. And I ended 0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:27.640 up playing substituting. You know, if the guy couldn't make 0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:29.560 a gig, they'd call me come play four hours. I 0:49:29.640 --> 0:49:32.520 knew a bunch of covers because we played in covers 0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:34.960 and we played for four hours in northern California, like 0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:37.439 we were, you know, we started tending and we ended 0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:40.799 it too, so I was like, I can do that, 0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:42.480 you know, I can do that. So we just kind 0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:47.040 of did that for two years and I landed through 0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:51.080 mingling and taking songs with publishers, and I knew bart 0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:52.719 my co producer. 0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:59.600 Now I kind of knew him, and he would sometimes 0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:02.000 answer my phone calls always to make that joke. Now 0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:03.120 he answered my phone calls. 0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:05.040 But he kind of set me up in with some 0:50:05.080 --> 0:50:07.480 people and and and just kind of climbed the ladder 0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:11.600 to this old school way like shaking hands. You know, 0:50:11.719 --> 0:50:14.239 I'm John Like, yeah, I'm a songwriter. I kind of 0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:17.200 focused on songwriting. I didn't want to go play downtown. 0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:19.239 You didn't want to go play like Broadway where all 0:50:19.239 --> 0:50:21.480 the mornings, right, No, I was I did that, you know. 0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:23.439 I got that I need to learn how to write, 0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:25.640 like what how does Nashville write? 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:28.239 How can I put? How could I fit into. 0:50:28.120 --> 0:50:33.360 This this system that that there it's obviously songwriters, you know, 0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:36.279 and really focused on that and got a publishing deal 0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:39.439 and then got some songs and you know, how to show, 0:50:39.520 --> 0:50:41.960 you know, started doing We got enough songs for a showcase. 0:50:42.200 --> 0:50:48.600 Three showcases in I got signed by Capitol Records with 0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:49.560 handshake deal. 0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:51.080 It was kind of like and it took a year 0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:52.080 to sign the contract. 0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:56.040 Once twenty eleven we got signed and then they were 0:50:56.040 --> 0:50:58.920 like your first single comes out in twenty twelve, so 0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:00.560 there's another year. 0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:02.320 So two years and I just kept. 0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:05.240 Writing and writing and writing and recording songs, even demos 0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:08.360 and kind of learning learning, and then you know, I 0:51:08.440 --> 0:51:09.120 bet that felt like. 0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:11.560 Forever though, Like from the moment that your handshake signed, 0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:15.719 you're excited and you had your wait two years for 0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:17.239 your first song to come out. I bet that was 0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:19.360 it felt like a slow two years to get that 0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:20.240 first thing out there. 0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:23.200 Well, I mean, we had a great booking agent and 0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:28.160 we had a lot of we had a lot through showcase. 0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:30.279 I found a band, and we had a van, and 0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:32.080 we learned the South and there was a lot of 0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:36.920 places that we still talk about playing and like a 0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:39.200 lot of guys that are still I see all the 0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:41.040 time that that gave us a shot because we could 0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:42.879 play cover. We could do this, you know, we could 0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:45.480 we could play for three hours, you know, with no 0:51:45.520 --> 0:51:50.200 problem with me throwing some originals. Make eight hundred bucks, 0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:53.880 you know, max out your credit card, hop in the 0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:55.239 van and go, you know in the van. 0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:55.839 It is great. 0:51:55.880 --> 0:52:00.160 That's why now why everyboys asked why is music in Nashville? Well, 0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:03.239 it's it's easy for a van to get around really, 0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:05.120 when it comes down to because back in the day, 0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:08.200 it was built for Cadillacs to get around. So, I 0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:10.120 mean the van was really hard to keep up with 0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:11.600 a tour bus. Let me tell you that was like 0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:14.240 play a show, getting a van dry for five hours, 0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:16.359 sleep in a hotel, wake up early to go keep 0:52:16.400 --> 0:52:20.319 you know, trying to trying to catch up. But we 0:52:20.320 --> 0:52:22.480 were always playing. I was always writing, so it just 0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:26.160 and everything was new. You know, I wasn't from the South. 0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:30.640 I learned what college football was all about because back 0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:32.840 in the West it's not as huge as this year. Like, 0:52:33.360 --> 0:52:35.440 so I was learning all this stuff. I was making 0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:38.400 new friends, and of course, you know, I had a 0:52:38.400 --> 0:52:38.919 record deal. 0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:40.960 But you know, one day, it was always one day. 0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:44.560 It's still always one day. But just kept on grinding 0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:46.880 and kept on believing it's still always one day. 0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:49.360 You're right about that, It's still always one day for 0:52:49.440 --> 0:52:49.879 all of us. 0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:53.040 Yeah, I try to do a better job. And now 0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:56.480 I had not always looking for one day. One day, 0:52:56.480 --> 0:52:58.719 this next thing's gonna happen. Yeah, one day, this next 0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:01.120 you know, I try, I really try to put myself 0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:04.720 in today. I think that's a struggle for me sometimes. Yeah, 0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:07.120 all right, so let me let's put this a little 0:53:07.640 --> 0:53:08.040 head over. 0:53:08.120 --> 0:53:10.320 Boots from from John Party here before we get back. 0:53:10.160 --> 0:53:10.400 Into the. 0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:16.319 I mean, this is the one here. It kind of 0:53:16.320 --> 0:53:19.800 catapulted the next level. Yeah, this was the next leveler. 0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:21.160 It's just the first one off the record. 0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:23.319 Huh. 0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:26.360 This thing came out and it was just like, oh yeah, 0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:29.160 well I felt that the record sounded. 0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:31.160 It sounded super. 0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:37.640 Super forward while still being a country record. You know, 0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:39.279 it wasn't one of these where you listen to and 0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:41.920 you go, oh, that's trying to be something new. It 0:53:42.040 --> 0:53:46.800 felt country. Yeah, yet it sounded you're using cool sounds. 0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:50.799 There sounds that I think, am I to you? 0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:51.280 Sonically? 0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:56.879 What's this record about? California Sunrise? You know it was. 0:53:58.560 --> 0:53:59.400 I was. 0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:02.680 It was a kind of this is where I am now? 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:06.320 Because I had a first record. I had four singles 0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:09.000 on the radio. My first record is called Rayu Song, 0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:12.840 and we got up all night on the radio. We 0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:15.000 got to number ten, and that let me get my 0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:19.520 album out and my first record. Literally once it got 0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:22.080 on iTunes and people started listening to it, we're selling 0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:24.680 out clubs. We're selling out clubs, is that right with 0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:28.400 with We're we're out selling people with number ones? But 0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:31.760 and then you know, it was just kind of fun 0:54:31.800 --> 0:54:35.200 and you got that that crowd singing back with songs 0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:37.239 that were just on the on the record, you know, 0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:39.440 and and and it's still to this day we play 0:54:39.719 --> 0:54:44.040 songs of that first record. But four years being on 0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:48.680 radio tour, you know, twenty twelve January, Miss New Crazy 0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:49.120 comes out. 0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:53.880 Now, Oh we got it, already. 0:54:53.440 --> 0:54:55.359 Got it, we gotta got it. We got the whole 0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:59.520 story down. Then Up all Night and that was in 0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:00.480 two thousand fourteen. 0:55:00.719 --> 0:55:03.719 Here's a little Up all Night. This is a jam too. 0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:07.279 I gotta come back to this, but yeah, this is one. 0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:11.880 When I moved to town, I think this had had 0:55:13.560 --> 0:55:16.600 lived its life and had gone away, but was still 0:55:16.640 --> 0:55:17.919 one that people were. 0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:18.480 Kind of in love with. 0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:20.400 Still, yeah, this is one. This is one turned up 0:55:20.400 --> 0:55:28.520 a little bit, you know, the wrong baby, were getting. 0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:30.960 A good one? 0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:31.759 You still like that one? 0:55:31.840 --> 0:55:33.680 Yeah, we played we still play it. I still like 0:55:33.719 --> 0:55:36.080 what I can't put down? That was right, That was 0:55:36.160 --> 0:55:38.799 right before Up all Night and I was. 0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:41.319 Like, this is it. This is the one, you know, but. 0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:45.680 It just didn't you know, tests well, and people played it, 0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:47.440 but it got the thirty three and then would put 0:55:47.520 --> 0:55:50.239 up on I O and uh, we got to put 0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:52.759 the album out and which is a big deal because 0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:54.759 you have to have some momentum in a single for 0:55:54.840 --> 0:55:55.880 them to go okay. 0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:57.840 Well, now put some money behind a full album. 0:55:57.960 --> 0:55:59.880 And it was a full album, had eleven songs on 0:56:00.760 --> 0:56:06.560 and it changed the van life basically. And so, but 0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:11.239 what my point is of California Sunrise, there's four years 0:56:11.719 --> 0:56:15.200 of writing and being on the radio. Regardless of what 0:56:15.800 --> 0:56:18.880 you know, I still was always top forty because I 0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:22.280 still have believers in country radio. No matter how high, 0:56:22.560 --> 0:56:27.200 what failures, whatever it, I still believed. Like we got 0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:30.280 in a label. Was always like, it's not a race, 0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:32.600 it's a marathon. You know, you got to take your 0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:34.319 time and like, just keep doing what you're doing. 0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:35.840 Can you believe that what was happening? 0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:39.440 You know, I never really got too worked up about 0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:41.759 it because you know, if you did listen to what 0:56:41.760 --> 0:56:43.680 I was doing, it was kind of it was kind 0:56:43.719 --> 0:56:46.400 of different. You know, it's countrier, but it was upbeat, 0:56:46.480 --> 0:56:49.560 but it was a country and I kind of came 0:56:49.560 --> 0:56:51.319 into my own, like I'm still growing up. 0:56:51.400 --> 0:56:54.160 I was only I got signed at twenty six, and 0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:58.359 I don't even know, I don't even know, I don't remember, but. 0:56:58.440 --> 0:57:01.600 I'm still growing up. As I come into a young man, 0:57:01.600 --> 0:57:05.200 into a man, and I got to do that with 0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:09.000 the record label and kind of under the radar, you know, 0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:12.319 not like just boom, here I am world. I kind 0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:16.240 of got to learn it all and not be like 0:57:16.320 --> 0:57:18.720 the the headliner, you know, where it's just like because 0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:21.200 you know sometimes like boom, I'm here, and it wasn't 0:57:21.240 --> 0:57:23.760 like that for me. And then I kind of became this, 0:57:23.920 --> 0:57:25.800 you know, this is this is who I am. When 0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:29.760 California Sunrise came out and I had friends on worked 0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:33.240 at radio, friends that listen to my music, people are 0:57:33.240 --> 0:57:36.600 giving me great advice and all that just through hard work, 0:57:37.200 --> 0:57:39.960 and what California Sunrise was me is like this is 0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:43.040 what I This is the new take on that. Four 0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:47.440 years of radio touring, country fiddle still you know, all 0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:50.360 the stuff I love, And it was just at that point. 0:57:50.520 --> 0:57:53.600 I remember you posted an Instagram video probably two years 0:57:53.640 --> 0:57:56.800 ago and it was at a festival and the entire 0:57:56.880 --> 0:57:59.760 crowd was singing head over Boots. I remember a message 0:57:59.800 --> 0:58:03.120 you go one good God, like it's this is amazing, 0:58:03.600 --> 0:58:06.280 Like they were singing all of it. Watershit, it was 0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:11.360 watersheded yeah, and George Comma Washington yeah, and it was 0:58:11.360 --> 0:58:12.040 the Gorge. 0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:13.400 Yeah, the Gorge. 0:58:13.400 --> 0:58:15.120 I probably spelled him wrong. Was so exciting. 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:16.560 Is it Gorge not George? 0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:17.240 No, it's the Gorge. 0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:19.360 I've played that well. I played Watershed. I thoughtay, thought 0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:20.800 it was George Washington. I thought it was the Gorge 0:58:20.840 --> 0:58:21.280 and George. 0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:22.880 I mean, it's cooler George Washington. 0:58:23.080 --> 0:58:24.280 I always thought that was the thing I was like, 0:58:24.360 --> 0:58:25.360 named George Washington. 0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:27.360 Did you ever think that, my dear tonight, I thought 0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:27.920 it was a gorge. 0:58:28.080 --> 0:58:29.600 Oh, it is called the Gorge. I thought it was 0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:32.840 the Gorge and George. Anyway, I'm an idiot. But moving on, 0:58:32.880 --> 0:58:35.240 I remember watching that video and going, oh, this has 0:58:35.280 --> 0:58:36.120 now arrived on. 0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:37.080 Kind of a macro level. 0:58:37.680 --> 0:58:39.680 No, it's not just a song that is cool and 0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:42.320 it's going to come and go like it's still the 0:58:42.400 --> 0:58:44.720 one when you have a whole thirty or forty thousand 0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:46.120 people singing every word of the Yeah. 0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:46.800 Give me some of that again. 0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:50.720 I mean, the whole crowd was out of their minds 0:58:50.800 --> 0:58:51.360 singing that song. 0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:51.960 Bonkers. 0:58:52.680 --> 0:58:53.160 It was fun. 0:58:53.320 --> 0:58:56.400 That was That was the first that was probably one 0:58:56.400 --> 0:58:58.800 of the most surreal, Like, wow, this is the first 0:58:59.160 --> 0:59:01.920 you know, you can't get emotional and stuff, and it 0:59:01.960 --> 0:59:05.720 was that was that was really cool and uh, I 0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:08.520 always I always remember that because that. 0:59:08.600 --> 0:59:12.920 Partico there we go with them words, but. 0:59:13.040 --> 0:59:19.320 That slot was uh we finally got you know a 0:59:19.400 --> 0:59:22.120 little later on, and like Merle Haggard was supposed to 0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:24.640 play either I think right in front of me or 0:59:24.680 --> 0:59:25.200 right behind me. 0:59:25.240 --> 0:59:25.560 I don't know. 0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:28.200 It was like, you know, but he passed like two 0:59:28.280 --> 0:59:30.680 months before and then then came out and played before us, 0:59:30.720 --> 0:59:34.120 and it was like kind of crazy that like with 0:59:34.240 --> 0:59:37.560 that moment and Merle Haggard was, you know, gonna play 0:59:37.640 --> 0:59:39.200 right for me, which probably would have been like no, 0:59:39.320 --> 0:59:40.960 Marl not playing before me, but it was like he 0:59:41.080 --> 0:59:43.240 just passed it, and it was It's one of those 0:59:43.240 --> 0:59:47.800 things like dang, you know, uh from that crowd and 0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:51.200 that kind of just that introspect of me and Merle 0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:53.440 would play together and it didn't happen. 0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:53.640 You know. 0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:55.720 It's one of the moments I'll never get. 0:59:55.840 --> 0:59:58.160 Yeah, that was a good one just watching it so 0:59:58.240 --> 1:00:00.240 that that hits and then it was like, all right, right, 1:00:00.760 --> 1:00:02.240 what's happening next with John Party? 1:00:02.520 --> 1:00:04.600 He had head over Boots. Surelie's not gonna put another 1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:05.320 songid Boots in it. 1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:12.800 And then boy, did you ever I mean and you 1:00:12.920 --> 1:00:14.640 raised that. I mean you saw Boots and you raised 1:00:14.640 --> 1:00:18.040 that funkier Boots man. Yeah, what's that conversation like where 1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:20.760 you go, all right, we got another song that we love, 1:00:20.840 --> 1:00:22.640 but it's name is basically the same thing. 1:00:22.720 --> 1:00:23.320 What do we do? 1:00:23.360 --> 1:00:25.480 Is that a room conversation whereverybody's sitting around? 1:00:27.120 --> 1:00:30.080 Well, I, you know, I research a lot. I you know, 1:00:30.440 --> 1:00:30.880 I listen. 1:00:31.160 --> 1:00:31.360 You know. 1:00:31.480 --> 1:00:36.600 iTunes is great because they have like they have you know, 1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:42.160 things like playlists of like, hey, you know, new artists 1:00:42.200 --> 1:00:44.960 from all top of the levels, and you know, I'm 1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:48.280 always like listening and stuff and so like I do 1:00:48.480 --> 1:00:51.240 pay attention. And I pointed out that Keith Urban had 1:00:51.520 --> 1:00:55.000 two head at that year. He had cop car and 1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:57.919 then somewhere in my car and I was like, well, 1:00:57.960 --> 1:01:01.360 this is another car song, other Boots song out, you know. 1:01:01.480 --> 1:01:05.880 And my favorite was the president of Universal, Mike Dungan, 1:01:06.040 --> 1:01:08.200 was like, you know, I don't care about back to 1:01:08.240 --> 1:01:10.360 back Boots songs. I care about back to back hits. 1:01:10.400 --> 1:01:13.000 That's literally what he said. And I was like, all right, 1:01:13.560 --> 1:01:14.200 put it out. 1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:14.880 You know. 1:01:16.360 --> 1:01:18.680 I always say to everybody asked me, I wear boots 1:01:18.720 --> 1:01:20.160 all the time. I we're on boots right now. So 1:01:20.200 --> 1:01:24.680 it's not it's not like something that it is just 1:01:24.720 --> 1:01:25.040 a thing. 1:01:25.080 --> 1:01:25.240 You know. 1:01:25.480 --> 1:01:26.400 I have a lot of boots. 1:01:26.680 --> 1:01:29.120 Look at that two Boots songs in a row, you know. 1:01:29.240 --> 1:01:32.240 Look at that hit after it hit you started. So 1:01:32.240 --> 1:01:33.760 when did you go from the band of the tour bus. 1:01:33.800 --> 1:01:36.200 That's a big step in the life because the tour 1:01:36.240 --> 1:01:37.000 bus is expensive. 1:01:37.240 --> 1:01:38.920 Yeah, well there's still expensive. 1:01:38.920 --> 1:01:40.960 Two of them are really how you go too? Now? 1:01:41.040 --> 1:01:43.600 The humble brack right there. Oh, it's so expensive, it 1:01:43.680 --> 1:01:47.560 really is, it really is. Uh. 1:01:47.680 --> 1:01:50.000 Now went up at the end of the year when 1:01:50.080 --> 1:01:52.680 Up All Night was was peaked and we started going 1:01:52.720 --> 1:01:55.320 in and we started own records and kind of selling 1:01:55.320 --> 1:01:55.760 out clubs. 1:01:55.800 --> 1:01:58.720 We got our bush. It was fun. 1:01:59.680 --> 1:02:01.880 I want to bring up this story about you getting that. 1:02:02.000 --> 1:02:02.520 I didn't know. 1:02:03.440 --> 1:02:05.360 I felt like I knew everything about you already. I'm stalker, 1:02:05.400 --> 1:02:07.040 a big jump party fan, my man. 1:02:07.240 --> 1:02:09.760 Yeah, but I know you got stabbed, uh huh in 1:02:10.200 --> 1:02:12.280 a belly Yeah five times? 1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:13.360 Oh, I didn't see. 1:02:13.360 --> 1:02:15.120 I didn't even know it was five times. So you're 1:02:15.160 --> 1:02:16.560 at you're at a like a bar. 1:02:17.240 --> 1:02:20.520 No, I was eighteen, So the first two or just 1:02:20.560 --> 1:02:23.000 slices on the arm. But who get so where were you. 1:02:23.320 --> 1:02:25.800 I was out in the country and I was at 1:02:25.840 --> 1:02:28.160 my one of my best friends, and we were two 1:02:28.280 --> 1:02:32.120 towns that were not rivals, which just you know, you 1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:32.800 always kind. 1:02:32.720 --> 1:02:36.920 Of have bad kids in your town. 1:02:36.960 --> 1:02:37.120 Man. 1:02:37.120 --> 1:02:39.479 There's always the guys that always get in trouble or fight, 1:02:39.600 --> 1:02:43.120 you know. And uh, in this town and on name 1:02:43.200 --> 1:02:46.800 towns or anything. He got jumped by my hometown by 1:02:46.920 --> 1:02:49.760 guys I didn't even know. But he found out that 1:02:49.840 --> 1:02:54.440 I was from my hometown. And you know, we had 1:02:54.480 --> 1:02:56.600 a great time at this party. I met a bunch 1:02:56.600 --> 1:02:58.560 of new people and we were you know, I was 1:02:58.640 --> 1:03:01.760 nice to meet you. We gotta go then, and uh 1:03:01.920 --> 1:03:04.280 he was waiting outside for me and he was like 1:03:04.320 --> 1:03:05.240 having me pinned out. 1:03:05.280 --> 1:03:07.040 And I was walking back. 1:03:06.920 --> 1:03:09.600 To the to the car, and he came up and 1:03:09.600 --> 1:03:11.200 asked me where I was from, and I told where 1:03:11.200 --> 1:03:13.760 I was from. I said, yes, you know, and he 1:03:13.840 --> 1:03:17.240 popped me in his mouth, knocked me down, yeah, busting 1:03:17.280 --> 1:03:17.640 my lip. 1:03:17.680 --> 1:03:20.000 I got back up and I started, you know, I 1:03:20.040 --> 1:03:20.920 started fighting him, you know. 1:03:21.000 --> 1:03:24.439 And it wasn't he said, he got scared and pulled 1:03:24.440 --> 1:03:26.520 a knife out, but he started to fight, you know, 1:03:26.600 --> 1:03:30.040 and and uh, I ended up with losing that fight. 1:03:30.080 --> 1:03:32.440 You know, you know, he's just swinging. You know, I'm 1:03:32.480 --> 1:03:34.680 not like a trained karate man or something. You know, 1:03:34.880 --> 1:03:38.200 I was just swinging. I just it's you know, had 1:03:38.200 --> 1:03:40.520 adrenaline at eighteen. It's like ah. 1:03:40.560 --> 1:03:45.640 And then I didn't even know I got stabbed, and 1:03:45.640 --> 1:03:47.440 my buddy came and broke up the fight and pushed 1:03:47.440 --> 1:03:50.280 me back in his hands full of blood. And then 1:03:50.360 --> 1:03:52.200 that was like the beginning of. 1:03:52.120 --> 1:03:54.200 The ride to the hospital. So what happens. 1:03:55.200 --> 1:03:58.040 So we're in the country and my my, my buddy, 1:03:58.080 --> 1:03:59.920 he's now firefighter to paramedic. 1:04:00.040 --> 1:04:01.880 He was always trying to be a firefighter paramedic. So 1:04:01.880 --> 1:04:03.480 he was like, all drive, We're going to hospital. 1:04:03.480 --> 1:04:05.360 So he's like he knew the back road. So we're 1:04:05.400 --> 1:04:08.800 like screaming down his back roads. Girls are screaming and crying, 1:04:08.920 --> 1:04:11.840 calling nurses and like. So the nurse through the phone 1:04:11.920 --> 1:04:14.840 was like, you know, compressing the wounds. Took my shirt off, 1:04:14.880 --> 1:04:18.919 blood everywhere you got stab what part of your belly's 1:04:18.920 --> 1:04:20.680 eleven inches across the center. 1:04:20.800 --> 1:04:23.320 Oh, he stuck it and then went across and I got. 1:04:23.120 --> 1:04:24.760 Two right on the left side. 1:04:25.320 --> 1:04:27.160 Wow, So you're bleeding pretty hard. 1:04:27.680 --> 1:04:31.160 Yeah, No, we were bleeding, and we were bleeding. 1:04:32.880 --> 1:04:37.560 The first hospital we stopped at didn't have emergency room. 1:04:37.680 --> 1:04:39.200 It was like an animal hospital. 1:04:41.200 --> 1:04:41.680 At the time. 1:04:41.680 --> 1:04:44.920 They didn't have emergency room. So we had to drive 1:04:45.800 --> 1:04:50.840 I don't know, fifteen miles to UC Davis and we 1:04:50.880 --> 1:04:52.920 got there and they didn't even know what do me that, like, 1:04:52.960 --> 1:04:55.440 you there's not ever a feeling you want to go 1:04:55.480 --> 1:04:58.400 through when you're like going into like the sports er 1:04:59.000 --> 1:05:01.240 and like there's a guy in the football pads like 1:05:01.440 --> 1:05:04.760 busted arm and like, you know, hold. It was just 1:05:04.840 --> 1:05:07.000 kind of very calm injuries and where I busted to the. 1:05:07.040 --> 1:05:10.120 Door, like you know, like he's dad. 1:05:10.600 --> 1:05:11.760 It's just blood everywhere. 1:05:11.920 --> 1:05:14.000 Like I couldn't imagine being in the lobby and be like, 1:05:14.040 --> 1:05:18.760 oh my god, this guy comes in here, this blood everywhere. 1:05:20.720 --> 1:05:24.400 And so they kind of did some tests on me, 1:05:24.800 --> 1:05:28.320 like for visual and like asking me like you know, 1:05:29.080 --> 1:05:32.000 they wanted me to pee and try to see if 1:05:32.000 --> 1:05:33.720 there's blood in the her and to kind of see 1:05:33.720 --> 1:05:35.280 if they got any internal organs. 1:05:35.280 --> 1:05:39.000 And I couldn't pee. She was kind of cute nurse, 1:05:39.000 --> 1:05:39.320 and I was. 1:05:42.160 --> 1:05:44.920 Like she's just sitting there like pee and I'm like, 1:05:45.200 --> 1:05:46.560 I can't pee right now. 1:05:46.720 --> 1:05:50.080 Like stop it stop, I'll be fine. 1:05:50.760 --> 1:05:51.000 Uh. 1:05:51.080 --> 1:05:54.520 And so they sent me off Sacramento and ambulance and man, 1:05:54.640 --> 1:05:57.440 I was it's and then you know, going from that 1:05:57.600 --> 1:05:59.520 like kind of sports and you know, saying that they 1:05:59.560 --> 1:06:02.160 always get anybody will get bad things and you know 1:06:02.160 --> 1:06:06.200 are but when you got to a big city like Sacramento, man, 1:06:06.240 --> 1:06:08.720 there it was people were shot. One girl was to 1:06:08.800 --> 1:06:10.760 the side of me got chopped up by a bull propeller. 1:06:10.960 --> 1:06:15.960 One girls just grabs a curtain, says how Bay how man. 1:06:16.040 --> 1:06:17.760 It was like literally, like I said, I was in 1:06:17.960 --> 1:06:20.000 like this is where it goes down, like what you 1:06:20.000 --> 1:06:24.400 see on you know, durrama hospital movie or you know 1:06:24.480 --> 1:06:28.400 television shows. And and the doctor was like, oh no, 1:06:28.560 --> 1:06:30.240 there's stab victorm, you know. And he like put his 1:06:30.280 --> 1:06:33.480 glove on, put like put his fingers inside of my 1:06:33.520 --> 1:06:36.400 wounds and and just kind of felt muscle, you know, 1:06:36.480 --> 1:06:38.160 you couldn't like fill in my organs. 1:06:38.720 --> 1:06:39.120 And uh. 1:06:39.360 --> 1:06:41.920 They stitched me up and then the next day I 1:06:42.120 --> 1:06:43.920 was out and I had to have a nurse come 1:06:43.960 --> 1:06:47.080 to the house and pack my We stitched them an 1:06:47.080 --> 1:06:48.720 inch apart, so. 1:06:49.120 --> 1:06:51.280 We'd pack alcohol gauze. 1:06:51.440 --> 1:06:54.439 Down in the wound, so it grew from the bottom up, 1:06:54.720 --> 1:06:57.360 so you know, you didn't just have a big hole 1:06:57.440 --> 1:06:58.640 inside your stomach. 1:06:58.680 --> 1:07:02.920 So we had to pack wound for I don't know. 1:07:03.040 --> 1:07:04.400 It was a long time ago, but. 1:07:04.320 --> 1:07:05.840 Would you ever do to that dude or get whatever 1:07:05.840 --> 1:07:09.360 happened to that dude jump back? 1:07:09.560 --> 1:07:12.480 No, he still happening in town. They're still paid half 1:07:12.520 --> 1:07:15.760 in each other every month. You know. 1:07:16.040 --> 1:07:18.920 He uh, he got away with he has a phony 1:07:19.040 --> 1:07:23.240 and he got away with I saw with the dead weapon, 1:07:23.560 --> 1:07:30.400 a deadly weapon. And uh, two years later, you know, 1:07:30.400 --> 1:07:33.200 I was I needed some money and there. 1:07:33.120 --> 1:07:35.960 Was some he he had got a job, and he 1:07:36.040 --> 1:07:37.560 offered to pay the restitution. 1:07:38.520 --> 1:07:43.320 And uh, in all realness, like he looked at me 1:07:43.480 --> 1:07:46.440 like he messed up, Like that's I didn't talk to him, 1:07:47.080 --> 1:07:49.640 but you know, it was just kind of that moment because. 1:07:49.400 --> 1:07:51.840 I'm like, you know what, we're all young. 1:07:52.280 --> 1:07:54.680 You know, I'm just thankful to be a lie basically 1:07:54.720 --> 1:07:56.200 and not peeing out of a bag for the rest 1:07:56.240 --> 1:07:58.440 of my life, you know, because there was that option, 1:07:58.840 --> 1:07:59.720 and uh. 1:07:59.560 --> 1:08:02.080 I don't know, wait, what's that option? I don't know. 1:08:03.400 --> 1:08:06.280 Well, you got you get cut cut right, you know, 1:08:06.360 --> 1:08:08.280 and your your center and your all your organs. I 1:08:08.280 --> 1:08:10.920 don't know that that's that's that's what somebody told me. 1:08:10.960 --> 1:08:14.080 But that may not even be true. But regardless, I survived. 1:08:14.080 --> 1:08:16.400 I didn't die. Nothing really bad happened. I got big 1:08:16.439 --> 1:08:20.960 scars across my stomach and I was, you know, I 1:08:21.000 --> 1:08:22.920 was getting ready to move to Nashville. You know that 1:08:23.160 --> 1:08:25.640 that would help out with the whole move, you know. 1:08:26.479 --> 1:08:28.040 And uh, he paid me like. 1:08:28.040 --> 1:08:30.600 I don't know, eight or nine grand and and uh 1:08:31.479 --> 1:08:33.519 I got to keep it and he he got to 1:08:33.520 --> 1:08:35.840 live a life of a felony, which isn't easy. 1:08:36.080 --> 1:08:39.920 And but I did, you know it was no. I 1:08:39.960 --> 1:08:44.120 think we both moved on and he's looking for better things, 1:08:44.160 --> 1:08:44.320 you know. 1:08:44.479 --> 1:08:46.000 And that guy's name is Dirks Bentley. 1:08:47.400 --> 1:08:49.360 And that's how I met Dirk's Bentley. 1:08:49.680 --> 1:08:51.280 And that's the rest of the story. 1:08:52.640 --> 1:09:00.519 The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome back to 1:09:00.640 --> 1:09:01.479 the Bobby Cast. 1:09:02.040 --> 1:09:05.400 Bred Eldridge got super vulnerable and talked about the terrible 1:09:05.400 --> 1:09:07.280 anxiety that he had early in his career. 1:09:09.120 --> 1:09:09.559 It's funny. 1:09:09.600 --> 1:09:11.519 We were talking about Kip with the phones and I've 1:09:11.880 --> 1:09:14.439 Kip and I have a friendship that has grown over 1:09:14.600 --> 1:09:19.240 first fighting lot and then like, hey, we're both weird 1:09:19.400 --> 1:09:23.840 introverted people. Let's probably be on the same team we had. 1:09:23.880 --> 1:09:26.040 We had the same team talk at a coffee shop 1:09:26.040 --> 1:09:29.720 one morning. Our relationship had gotten actually really good since then, 1:09:30.120 --> 1:09:31.160 so I say, this is a friend. 1:09:31.160 --> 1:09:34.720 But Kip and I were sitting and I think I 1:09:34.840 --> 1:09:35.479 do Kip does? 1:09:35.479 --> 1:09:35.800 I don't know? 1:09:35.840 --> 1:09:37.599 Probably you because you're an artist a heart. We have 1:09:37.720 --> 1:09:40.160 huge insecurity issues. Oh yeah, like we may be these 1:09:40.280 --> 1:09:43.000 larger than life characters on stage behind the microphone, but 1:09:43.400 --> 1:09:44.960 really it all comes down to we're searching for some 1:09:45.040 --> 1:09:47.479 kind of love. Oh yeah, we're in some place searching 1:09:47.520 --> 1:09:49.360 for some kind of love. And Kip and I were 1:09:49.400 --> 1:09:51.760 talking about watching a crowd and for me, if I'm 1:09:51.760 --> 1:09:53.400 doing a stand up, I can't look at faces because 1:09:53.439 --> 1:09:56.760 if I see someone's face and they're not laughing, I go, oh, 1:09:56.800 --> 1:09:57.679 I must be bombing. 1:09:57.720 --> 1:09:59.120 So I just look at foreheads. 1:09:59.120 --> 1:10:01.720 I can't look at face and kept we'll go oh, 1:10:01.760 --> 1:10:03.639 I'll see someone not having a good time, and it'll 1:10:03.640 --> 1:10:06.639 throw me. It'll completely throw me from doing a show. 1:10:07.040 --> 1:10:08.960 Do you will you look down and see people not 1:10:09.160 --> 1:10:11.840 feeling it? And or do you let that affect you? Oh? 1:10:11.920 --> 1:10:13.760 Yeah, I've had times where it really affected me that 1:10:13.840 --> 1:10:17.080 my my thing that I've you know, you have certain 1:10:17.080 --> 1:10:20.800 fans that are I almost always have fans that I 1:10:20.920 --> 1:10:24.839 know are going to be repeat fans, like for different shows, 1:10:25.200 --> 1:10:26.880 and if I know out they're there, and if I'm 1:10:26.920 --> 1:10:29.439 feeling like if I see some people that I don't 1:10:29.479 --> 1:10:31.080 know if they're really totally into it, it kind of messes 1:10:31.120 --> 1:10:35.080 me up. I I because I struggled with that for 1:10:35.160 --> 1:10:38.120 a while. Then I would start looking at my fans 1:10:38.120 --> 1:10:40.680 that are my diehard fans that are always there for me, 1:10:40.720 --> 1:10:42.920 and I see them singing the words, I'm like, oh man, 1:10:43.320 --> 1:10:46.120 they care, they care, and so I try to That's 1:10:46.120 --> 1:10:48.120 how I've tried to figure out how to shift it, 1:10:48.120 --> 1:10:50.720 and that's helped me. But yeah, that's that is That's 1:10:50.720 --> 1:10:53.800 a weird feeling because you're given everything of yourself and 1:10:53.840 --> 1:10:57.519 you know, and somebody you want every single person to 1:10:57.640 --> 1:11:01.760 feel as passionate about it as you are, and the 1:11:01.800 --> 1:11:04.280 truth is it's never gonna be. No, there's never been 1:11:04.320 --> 1:11:05.320 an artist that can do that. 1:11:05.600 --> 1:11:08.040 And I do feel it's a bit unfair for us 1:11:08.200 --> 1:11:10.519 as people, if on the stage performing to judge people 1:11:10.560 --> 1:11:14.600 based on just their outward reactions, because if I'm comparing 1:11:15.439 --> 1:11:17.760 myself or yourself. We're watching a movie. Unless they're watching 1:11:17.800 --> 1:11:20.719 the same movie, we may react absolutely different to watching 1:11:20.760 --> 1:11:21.240 old school. 1:11:21.320 --> 1:11:21.519 Now. 1:11:21.560 --> 1:11:23.599 I may be laughing out loud. You may be enjoying 1:11:23.600 --> 1:11:25.559 it the same amount, but laughing in a different way. 1:11:25.680 --> 1:11:27.840 You keep it outside, but that doesn't mean somebody is 1:11:27.880 --> 1:11:30.040 not enjoying it as much as the other person. But 1:11:30.080 --> 1:11:32.640 when we step away, it's so easy for us. You 1:11:32.640 --> 1:11:35.760 can't disconnect from that in a show. But we just 1:11:35.800 --> 1:11:36.639 feel like, oh. 1:11:36.920 --> 1:11:38.880 I haven't thought about that, and that's that's really good 1:11:38.920 --> 1:11:42.080 to talk about that because it's a it's the hardest 1:11:42.080 --> 1:11:44.040 thing to explain to anybody, and there's so many people 1:11:44.040 --> 1:11:47.080 that get And I've never really talked about this, but 1:11:47.680 --> 1:11:51.640 I used to get nervous about I used to be. 1:11:51.840 --> 1:11:56.720 I'm I was born a warrior, like worry, anxiety, all that, 1:11:56.760 --> 1:12:00.360 and I so I used to I was never afraid 1:12:00.400 --> 1:12:02.639 to go on stage. I'm not like I'd love to perform. 1:12:02.720 --> 1:12:05.479 I'm actually the most comfortable doing that a lot of time. 1:12:05.520 --> 1:12:07.800 But before it, I was like if I was worn out, 1:12:07.920 --> 1:12:09.640 I'm a terrible sleep. I used to be a real 1:12:09.680 --> 1:12:11.800 bad at sleeping all this stuff, and so I had 1:12:11.800 --> 1:12:14.800 this little period where I was not sleeping much, and 1:12:14.840 --> 1:12:17.240 then I would I'll get to the point where I 1:12:17.280 --> 1:12:19.200 was about to go on stage and I would get 1:12:19.240 --> 1:12:19.800 short of breadth. 1:12:19.840 --> 1:12:20.960 I think I was going to pass out. 1:12:21.280 --> 1:12:24.680 I have because I thought, Okay, well I'm gonna I'm 1:12:24.680 --> 1:12:26.080 going to fail in front of all these people. I'm 1:12:26.080 --> 1:12:28.439 going to pass out or something, which you know, you're 1:12:28.439 --> 1:12:30.080 not going to dive from passing out in front everybody, 1:12:30.080 --> 1:12:31.400 and I'm probably not going to pass out. But I 1:12:31.479 --> 1:12:33.720 was telling myself that. So I was learning that. So 1:12:33.760 --> 1:12:36.000 I had all these these things and all these things 1:12:36.040 --> 1:12:38.040 because you're about to go give all yourself and you 1:12:38.040 --> 1:12:41.479 don't want to see yourself fail. And I don't have 1:12:41.600 --> 1:12:44.000 that anymore, really, I mean, you still have some days 1:12:44.080 --> 1:12:45.639 you're like, God, I'm so tired. 1:12:46.080 --> 1:12:46.240 You know. 1:12:46.360 --> 1:12:49.559 Sometimes you're headlining at festival or show at eleven o'clock 1:12:49.560 --> 1:12:49.920 at night. 1:12:50.200 --> 1:12:52.679 I wake up at seven o'clock, so you have the whole. 1:12:52.520 --> 1:12:55.519 Day to think about a show, and I've had to 1:12:55.520 --> 1:12:58.320 try to forgure out ways keep your mind busy. You're 1:12:58.360 --> 1:13:00.360 here for a reason. You're you're playing this show because 1:13:00.360 --> 1:13:01.040 people are coming. 1:13:00.880 --> 1:13:01.360 Here to love you. 1:13:01.720 --> 1:13:04.479 But it is it's a complete mind game. As performer 1:13:05.000 --> 1:13:08.200 he gives. You know, it's a major sacrifice throughout that 1:13:08.240 --> 1:13:10.000 all day to you to be up there for an 1:13:10.040 --> 1:13:11.760 hour and a half and you and you have to 1:13:12.040 --> 1:13:14.519 get your mind right to that point of the show, 1:13:15.000 --> 1:13:15.679 athlete even. 1:13:16.040 --> 1:13:19.160 Yeah, you know, it's a lot of downtime. You got 1:13:19.200 --> 1:13:22.880 your ninety minutes to perform, and it all is inside 1:13:22.920 --> 1:13:23.639 that ninety minutes. 1:13:23.720 --> 1:13:23.920 Yep. 1:13:24.040 --> 1:13:25.479 And then if you don't, you got a lot of 1:13:25.520 --> 1:13:27.639 game tape to watch the next time. 1:13:27.560 --> 1:13:29.479 And you're going to think about it. You can't not 1:13:29.600 --> 1:13:31.559 think about it. Yeah, all right. 1:13:31.520 --> 1:13:32.839 So you talk about sleeping. 1:13:33.200 --> 1:13:35.439 I've had real bad issues with sleeping, and a lot 1:13:35.479 --> 1:13:38.439 of mind comes from a mile PTSD stuff. I got 1:13:38.520 --> 1:13:40.720 jumped and robbed a gun point, stuff like that. You know, 1:13:42.439 --> 1:13:45.559 anxiety issues from that. What's your issue with sleeping? 1:13:45.560 --> 1:13:46.000 What was it? 1:13:47.040 --> 1:13:47.600 Anxiety? 1:13:47.720 --> 1:13:50.760 Just right about? What do you know? 1:13:50.960 --> 1:13:51.639 Dumb stuff? 1:13:51.880 --> 1:13:55.120 I mean, you know, I thought, honestly, I so, I 1:13:55.200 --> 1:13:59.920 mean I tried everything. I mean I would try and medicase, 1:14:00.000 --> 1:14:03.200 I would try whatever it was to try to get sleep. 1:14:03.680 --> 1:14:05.479 Never like a problem with it. I would just you know, 1:14:05.680 --> 1:14:06.479 try to figure it out. 1:14:06.760 --> 1:14:09.439 Stay sick. I stayed sick. Oh yeah, constantly run down. 1:14:09.880 --> 1:14:10.479 I wasn't getting it. 1:14:10.720 --> 1:14:13.200 And if if you feel like you're never going to 1:14:13.240 --> 1:14:14.960 get out of it. And it's not like I still 1:14:14.960 --> 1:14:16.800 don't have bad nights to sleep, but i'd sleep great last night. 1:14:16.840 --> 1:14:19.360 But it doesn't mean like you know, if you tell 1:14:19.360 --> 1:14:21.240 yourself you're not going to you're not a good sleeper. 1:14:21.800 --> 1:14:23.280 You're not going to be a good sleeper, you know 1:14:23.320 --> 1:14:23.680 what I mean? 1:14:23.720 --> 1:14:26.559 Like a lot of the time thing where you close 1:14:26.600 --> 1:14:28.040 your eyes and you go fall asleep. Right now, I 1:14:28.080 --> 1:14:30.360 get five hours twenty seven, oh yeah, thirty seconds. 1:14:30.120 --> 1:14:33.120 Yeah, then you then then another hour goes by, and 1:14:33.120 --> 1:14:33.679 then I got this. 1:14:33.600 --> 1:14:35.599 Four hours twenty seven and thirteen seconds. 1:14:35.720 --> 1:14:36.040 Yeah. 1:14:36.240 --> 1:14:40.679 And so I tried the I tried antidepressants for a while. 1:14:40.800 --> 1:14:41.520 I tried. 1:14:43.360 --> 1:14:47.040 Xan x, the alpaslem for a while. I've tried I've 1:14:47.040 --> 1:14:50.439 tried everything but smoking weed. And I I was talking 1:14:50.439 --> 1:14:52.559 to front even today because I have I've never drank 1:14:52.560 --> 1:14:55.080 alcohol or smoke weed, but I want to do both. 1:14:55.120 --> 1:14:56.280 But I just know I would do all the both. 1:14:56.439 --> 1:14:59.400 Like if I started, I would do it, and I wouldn't. 1:14:59.439 --> 1:15:01.080 I would be like a I'll take that and I'll 1:15:01.080 --> 1:15:02.960 have all of that and go ahead and give me 1:15:02.960 --> 1:15:04.519 the rest of all that that's just how I live 1:15:04.600 --> 1:15:07.000 my life or everything. But I went to the dentist 1:15:07.040 --> 1:15:09.040 today just to get a fix. They put a temporary 1:15:09.080 --> 1:15:10.519 on and they gave me the laughing gas. 1:15:10.640 --> 1:15:13.639 Yeah. I got so high. 1:15:13.720 --> 1:15:14.160 And then I don't. 1:15:14.240 --> 1:15:16.920 I don't relax have trouble relaxing this in general. I 1:15:16.960 --> 1:15:19.200 got so high. I became so relaxed. I started to 1:15:19.240 --> 1:15:27.799 have these really deep emotional sharing within my self thoughts, 1:15:27.800 --> 1:15:29.120 and I'm like, man, if this is what it's like 1:15:29.120 --> 1:15:30.360 to get high, I gotta do this. 1:15:30.600 --> 1:15:30.840 Yeah. 1:15:31.600 --> 1:15:33.560 And I felt like I could go to sleep or 1:15:33.600 --> 1:15:36.680 I could stay awake. I just felt great. So I 1:15:36.680 --> 1:15:37.840 was talking to a friend and she was like, you 1:15:37.880 --> 1:15:41.720 should try the gummies. But I hear a snoopg talk 1:15:41.760 --> 1:15:44.360 about this stuff and he's like, don't eat it. He's like, 1:15:44.400 --> 1:15:46.799 you can't control it if you If you eat it, 1:15:46.880 --> 1:15:48.120 you can't control it. 1:15:48.320 --> 1:15:51.519 Man. I just don't like eating. 1:15:51.960 --> 1:15:52.320 I don't. 1:15:52.560 --> 1:15:55.360 I don't like hot this, smoking anything. It seems like 1:15:55.360 --> 1:15:58.640 it would just be pain on the lawn. A cigarettes, yeah, 1:15:58.760 --> 1:16:02.599 I actually never re smiled a cigarets. That that heat 1:16:02.720 --> 1:16:05.160 going into the I don't like I don't drink coffee. Yeah, 1:16:05.200 --> 1:16:09.479 because I mean I've tasted coffee once. No way, I'm 1:16:09.479 --> 1:16:11.759 not against coffee. Yeah, I mean it's not a moral 1:16:13.640 --> 1:16:17.320 church of coffee. You have issues with sleeping. But also 1:16:17.400 --> 1:16:19.719 sounds like when you talk that have you been in therapy, 1:16:19.720 --> 1:16:22.080 because you sound like, Okay, I get it because again 1:16:22.160 --> 1:16:22.919 I'm just looking. 1:16:22.680 --> 1:16:26.320 At I'm like, I'm very and I've I've just recently 1:16:26.400 --> 1:16:29.680 started becoming very open with it because I mean, I 1:16:29.680 --> 1:16:32.360 feel like everybody should go to therapy. Honestly, me too. 1:16:32.680 --> 1:16:35.200 I mean it's it's for me too. And it's not 1:16:35.280 --> 1:16:40.360 like you're not crazy, you're not whatever. We all have anxieties, 1:16:40.400 --> 1:16:43.639 we all have worries, we all have I mean, it's human, 1:16:43.800 --> 1:16:45.519 the most human thing we were. 1:16:46.320 --> 1:16:47.360 This is how we're built. 1:16:48.000 --> 1:16:50.519 And for me, it got to a place where I 1:16:50.560 --> 1:16:54.439 was like, I'm not I'm really good at covering that up. 1:16:54.479 --> 1:16:56.640 And I wasn't like depressed or like major. I was 1:16:56.720 --> 1:16:58.840 just always worried about stuff and it totally throws your 1:16:58.840 --> 1:17:02.400 body out of a whack and so I was I 1:17:02.439 --> 1:17:04.400 was like, I'm tired of this. So I actually got 1:17:04.400 --> 1:17:07.519 into mindfulness. So meditating really helped me a lot. 1:17:07.600 --> 1:17:09.760 You able to do that, I have trouble. It's hard. 1:17:09.800 --> 1:17:10.479 I have trouble. 1:17:10.600 --> 1:17:13.360 It's hard. I mean I've been doing over like a 1:17:13.439 --> 1:17:13.680 year and. 1:17:13.680 --> 1:17:16.760 A half, likesidental, like what kind of meditation, just like 1:17:16.840 --> 1:17:19.360 mostly just sign like so I did the apps, So 1:17:19.400 --> 1:17:22.639 I did. I started with headspace. Tell me about that. 1:17:22.720 --> 1:17:24.920 I've done the sleep app. I haven't done any meditation. 1:17:25.040 --> 1:17:26.920 Head Space is great. It just kind of walks you through. 1:17:27.560 --> 1:17:28.960 It's not like one of those things where you're feeling 1:17:29.000 --> 1:17:31.200 very sleepy or you know whatever. It's very much like, 1:17:31.240 --> 1:17:36.639 all right, now, take your now. No, you might feel 1:17:36.680 --> 1:17:39.880 yourself your mind wandering and having all these thoughts throughout 1:17:39.880 --> 1:17:41.880 the day whatever, I'll take it back to the breath 1:17:41.880 --> 1:17:44.280 and so you you switch your focus back to the 1:17:44.320 --> 1:17:46.479 breath and you just focus on your breath. It's pretty 1:17:46.560 --> 1:17:49.559 much just training your brain to see thoughts is just thoughts, 1:17:49.840 --> 1:17:53.559 because we have thousands of thoughts every day, all of them, 1:17:53.600 --> 1:17:56.479 almost all of them are crap. They're just worthless, you know. 1:17:56.520 --> 1:17:58.720 I mean you can tell I've studied a lot of this, 1:17:58.760 --> 1:18:00.719 but it is the truth. I have so many thoughts. 1:18:00.800 --> 1:18:02.439 So I think the most that it's taught me is 1:18:03.600 --> 1:18:05.439 to not sweat that stuff as much, not that I 1:18:05.439 --> 1:18:05.920 don't still. 1:18:05.960 --> 1:18:08.320 I mean you still. You never get rid of anxiety. 1:18:08.280 --> 1:18:10.400 You just have a different relationship with and I think 1:18:10.439 --> 1:18:12.640 through a lot of different things, I've I've got a 1:18:12.640 --> 1:18:14.920 different relationship with it. And I used to not be 1:18:14.920 --> 1:18:17.000 able to enjoy tour and all that kind of stuff 1:18:17.000 --> 1:18:19.240 near as much because you'd always be worrying about worrying 1:18:19.240 --> 1:18:21.880 about feeling this way. Then you're feeling more that way, 1:18:21.920 --> 1:18:23.800 and it's like it doesn't have to be that way. 1:18:23.840 --> 1:18:26.679 And so I think now to more, I've got uh 1:18:27.160 --> 1:18:29.200 And I mean this is really one of the most 1:18:29.240 --> 1:18:31.720 open I've ever really talked about it, But I've got 1:18:31.800 --> 1:18:35.280 way more. I want to help other people realize that 1:18:35.479 --> 1:18:38.679 happens to everybody. It's not a big deal. It sucks, 1:18:38.680 --> 1:18:42.280 but it's real and you can you can get through that. 1:18:42.320 --> 1:18:43.920 So you know why it sucks? Is it not enough 1:18:43.920 --> 1:18:46.000 people talk about it? I know I grew up like 1:18:46.040 --> 1:18:48.559 you in a really small town. Therapy wasn't a thing. 1:18:48.720 --> 1:18:50.639 Oh no, it was more like you got to pay 1:18:50.640 --> 1:18:53.160 the bills, So therapy doesn't matter. You know, when you're 1:18:53.160 --> 1:18:55.920 trying to buy Manwich, there's not money for therapy or 1:18:55.960 --> 1:18:58.760 even to know that mental illness is like a real 1:18:58.800 --> 1:19:00.479 life thing. And I'm not even a mental I'm just 1:19:00.479 --> 1:19:03.200 talking about any sort of therapy like it. Just so 1:19:03.680 --> 1:19:05.840 I remember going and I was like, this is my insurance, 1:19:05.840 --> 1:19:07.439 so I can actually go talk to someone. And it 1:19:07.520 --> 1:19:10.679 was talking to someone who did not have a bias. 1:19:11.000 --> 1:19:14.840 Yes that would judge zone call you not only on 1:19:14.880 --> 1:19:16.519 your crap, but also tell you when things were good, 1:19:16.560 --> 1:19:19.960 so you could trust both. And we're both in a 1:19:20.000 --> 1:19:21.600 position too, where we're in a creative space where if 1:19:21.600 --> 1:19:23.000 we're doing well, there are a lot of people tell 1:19:23.080 --> 1:19:25.920 us how cool we are, and it's it gets harder 1:19:25.960 --> 1:19:29.479 and harder to separate. I wrote my new book that 1:19:29.520 --> 1:19:30.640 came out of this week. I have a whole thing 1:19:30.680 --> 1:19:34.439 about trusting a certain few people that will tell you suck. 1:19:34.520 --> 1:19:36.759 But everybody will tell you suck. But if you find 1:19:36.760 --> 1:19:40.040 the people that you trust to tell you suck, whenever 1:19:40.080 --> 1:19:42.639 they tell you that you do really good, you can 1:19:42.720 --> 1:19:46.760 believe them. And that's the hardest thing. It's not hard 1:19:46.800 --> 1:19:48.680 to find somebody to tell you suck. Trust me. All 1:19:48.680 --> 1:19:50.760 I got is go to Facebook right now, and I 1:19:50.760 --> 1:19:53.479 got a thousand people telling me and we naturally search 1:19:53.520 --> 1:19:55.720 for that stuff too. It falls right in our lap 1:19:55.840 --> 1:19:57.760 or just stare at it, and people are loving us 1:19:57.760 --> 1:19:59.719 all around us, but we're looking at this little angry 1:19:59.720 --> 1:20:02.040 monster and that we're like, what's up? But you can 1:20:02.360 --> 1:20:05.559 you came to see me. But if you find someone 1:20:05.600 --> 1:20:09.760 that can say, hey, I don't know about that. But 1:20:09.800 --> 1:20:12.400 then when they do say, oh, I do know about this, 1:20:12.479 --> 1:20:14.600 you trust that good because they're able to tell you 1:20:14.640 --> 1:20:17.719 whenever they feel it's not good. I found that with therapy. 1:20:17.760 --> 1:20:19.840 Then I've started to be able to find it with friends. 1:20:20.320 --> 1:20:22.559 But I had to find it with me first before 1:20:22.600 --> 1:20:25.040 it was anything else. I had to go in and 1:20:25.200 --> 1:20:28.040 trust the process a bit, a little, only a little, 1:20:28.080 --> 1:20:29.439 trust that it was the process. 1:20:29.760 --> 1:20:30.880 But therapy changed me. 1:20:30.960 --> 1:20:33.880 And listen, I'm still in my thirties, I'm single, I'm married, 1:20:33.920 --> 1:20:36.120 I got no kids. Like I struggle with relationships and 1:20:36.160 --> 1:20:39.320 trust I do. Yeah, bridges raise his hand too. But 1:20:40.200 --> 1:20:43.800 for me, it showed me that I'm struggling. Before I 1:20:43.840 --> 1:20:45.960 just didn't know, like what's the problem? Why am I? 1:20:46.720 --> 1:20:49.400 But now I see there's a struggle and the first 1:20:49.439 --> 1:20:51.000 and best way to talk about this. And as you 1:20:51.040 --> 1:20:52.960 were saying these words, the words that I hear all 1:20:53.000 --> 1:20:54.840 the time because I read about it, and I go 1:20:54.840 --> 1:20:56.960 to therapy, I'm like, oh, he's had some sort of 1:20:57.040 --> 1:20:59.360 self reflection in some way, and I like that, and 1:20:59.400 --> 1:21:00.320 I commend you that. 1:21:00.439 --> 1:21:03.160 Yeah, well the same here, And I think I think 1:21:03.200 --> 1:21:07.479 it's it's up to you know, each of us to 1:21:08.160 --> 1:21:10.720 try to get everybody to look at that and just 1:21:10.760 --> 1:21:13.320 say you're not crazy for going to get help from 1:21:13.400 --> 1:21:15.439 orders telling or even going through a friend or whatever. 1:21:15.520 --> 1:21:17.240 I mean, does it have to normal? 1:21:17.320 --> 1:21:20.599 You're normal, You have this stuff, totally normal, I mean, 1:21:20.600 --> 1:21:23.880 but nobody talks about it, so then you feel isolated 1:21:23.920 --> 1:21:25.760 and alone when you're feeling these well, I'm the. 1:21:25.760 --> 1:21:28.599 Only person that I just feel like, no, try hundreds 1:21:28.640 --> 1:21:29.479 of millions of people. 1:21:29.560 --> 1:21:31.400 Nobody's post on Instagram, so it can't be real. 1:21:31.479 --> 1:21:35.280 Yeah, that's a feeling of it because they know, yeah exactly. 1:21:37.280 --> 1:21:39.479 Walker Hayes talks about trying to make ends meet early 1:21:39.520 --> 1:21:42.439 on and what helped him stay motivated when times are tough. 1:21:44.160 --> 1:21:47.599 So you you decide we're moving to Nashville just from 1:21:47.640 --> 1:21:49.000 one night of playing in front of people. 1:21:49.400 --> 1:21:50.479 Yeah, it was pretty wild. 1:21:50.640 --> 1:21:53.800 I mean, I played, had such a great time. I 1:21:53.960 --> 1:21:56.320 called Lanny said, I don't want to move to Nashville 1:21:56.479 --> 1:21:58.400 to sing that was it? 1:21:58.600 --> 1:22:01.559 So I want to go, what's her action? Uh? You know, 1:22:01.600 --> 1:22:03.200 I think she was pretty adventurous. 1:22:03.680 --> 1:22:06.519 You know, at the time we were kids excited about 1:22:06.640 --> 1:22:09.680 you know, getting out of town. She was with it. 1:22:09.960 --> 1:22:13.439 I mean, oddly enough, there was no second guessing on 1:22:13.479 --> 1:22:13.920 her part. 1:22:14.040 --> 1:22:15.000 She was ready to go. 1:22:15.320 --> 1:22:17.400 And so what was your style back then? 1:22:17.760 --> 1:22:20.800 So my style back then? I remember two songs that 1:22:20.880 --> 1:22:21.559 I played. 1:22:21.960 --> 1:22:25.599 One was sitting on the dock of the bay, and 1:22:25.640 --> 1:22:30.160 then didn't Adobie Gray drift Away? Yeah, drift I guess 1:22:30.240 --> 1:22:33.840 drift Away. And uh I only played like five songs. 1:22:33.880 --> 1:22:36.439 I just played them over and over and so yeah, 1:22:36.479 --> 1:22:38.400 I mean I was just gonna come up and sing, 1:22:38.680 --> 1:22:40.639 you know, move to Nashville, try to be a rock. 1:22:40.520 --> 1:22:43.200 Star, make it. Yeah I did. 1:22:43.240 --> 1:22:45.880 I was dumb enough to be like, yeah, I'm gonna go, 1:22:46.200 --> 1:22:47.320 you know, and figure this out. 1:22:47.439 --> 1:22:49.160 Be famous. I mean I knew nobody. 1:22:49.439 --> 1:22:52.600 We had a great time picking out our apartment and 1:22:52.600 --> 1:22:55.760 stuff like that. Honestly, meeting with her parents, they were 1:22:56.439 --> 1:23:00.080 really frightened and just thought I was nuts. You know, 1:23:00.520 --> 1:23:03.400 this was not This was on such a whim and 1:23:03.479 --> 1:23:06.679 the security that I had, you know, and mobile made 1:23:06.680 --> 1:23:10.599 a lot more sense. To them and so yeah, I mean, man, 1:23:10.640 --> 1:23:13.800 we just found an apartment, got married, and drove up here. 1:23:14.600 --> 1:23:16.479 So you move here? And what does one do when 1:23:16.479 --> 1:23:18.320 you don't know anybody into town like Nashville and you 1:23:18.360 --> 1:23:19.080 want to make music? 1:23:19.120 --> 1:23:20.719 Like, what's the first step? You go outside? 1:23:20.760 --> 1:23:23.640 And man, I mean, as cliche as it sounds, the 1:23:23.760 --> 1:23:26.360 absolute first thing I did was go sign up for 1:23:26.400 --> 1:23:29.920 an open mic night at the Bluebird. I was I 1:23:29.960 --> 1:23:32.960 don't remember exactly what number I chose, you know, to 1:23:33.040 --> 1:23:35.680 get selected that night, But so you played the first 1:23:35.760 --> 1:23:37.880 night you went. I came on a Monday night, stood 1:23:37.880 --> 1:23:43.200 in the line, got selected. They were about to call 1:23:43.240 --> 1:23:45.880 my name, but I realized that everybody in there was 1:23:45.880 --> 1:23:48.720 playing songs that they had written, and I showed up 1:23:48.760 --> 1:23:51.360 to play covers. So we left and then I came 1:23:51.400 --> 1:23:54.800 back the next Monday with a couple of songs that 1:23:54.840 --> 1:23:58.800 I wrote that week and then performed and it was. 1:23:58.720 --> 1:23:59.559 The same rush. 1:24:00.040 --> 1:24:01.760 Know, so the first time you went, you end up 1:24:01.800 --> 1:24:02.280 not playing. 1:24:02.520 --> 1:24:04.479 Well, I check it out, but you know, I wasn't 1:24:04.520 --> 1:24:05.920 about to get up and play that. 1:24:06.160 --> 1:24:07.760 I was gonna play drift. 1:24:07.439 --> 1:24:12.320 Away, give Me the Bee Boy Free? And what did 1:24:12.360 --> 1:24:15.880 you write that you something? I wrote so so you 1:24:15.960 --> 1:24:17.880 first time you don't do it. The second time you 1:24:17.920 --> 1:24:18.880 go and you do it. What did you play? What 1:24:18.960 --> 1:24:19.559 song you remember? 1:24:20.000 --> 1:24:20.360 I do? 1:24:20.400 --> 1:24:24.040 I remember I played a song about as short of 1:24:24.080 --> 1:24:26.120 a time period as we had been married. I learned 1:24:26.240 --> 1:24:28.759 very quickly that when you bring up the in loss 1:24:29.360 --> 1:24:31.719 that your significant other gets really pissed. 1:24:31.760 --> 1:24:33.200 And so I wrote a song about that. 1:24:33.320 --> 1:24:35.120 And it was kind of a joke, you know, a 1:24:35.160 --> 1:24:38.599 funny song, and uh, I don't remember the title of it. 1:24:38.640 --> 1:24:41.799 And I played too and I just remember the crowd reacting, 1:24:41.880 --> 1:24:44.400 you know, they laughed, they had a great time, and 1:24:44.479 --> 1:24:45.200 they went nuts. 1:24:45.200 --> 1:24:47.920 It's a real supportive crowd, and the Bluebergs. 1:24:47.360 --> 1:24:50.800 They're there to hear the writer performing their songs, so 1:24:51.000 --> 1:24:53.120 they went nuts. And it was not I didn't like 1:24:53.200 --> 1:24:54.719 get a deal or anything quick. 1:24:54.840 --> 1:24:55.000 You know. 1:24:55.240 --> 1:24:57.479 Did you feel like after that night, though, that you 1:24:57.520 --> 1:24:59.200 had submitted a little more in your head, like I 1:24:59.240 --> 1:24:59.760 can do this. 1:25:01.000 --> 1:25:02.080 Uh? 1:25:02.479 --> 1:25:05.000 I didn't really think about whether I could or not. 1:25:05.080 --> 1:25:07.280 I just did, you know what I'm saying. And I 1:25:07.439 --> 1:25:13.160 also it was like a drug, I mean honestly, but 1:25:13.200 --> 1:25:17.280 since then, I haven't stopped writing songs. It's just I 1:25:17.320 --> 1:25:21.000 fell in love with that that conceiving the idea, putting 1:25:21.040 --> 1:25:25.000 it together, playing it for somebody, getting their reaction, moving 1:25:25.040 --> 1:25:27.240 on to the next one. You know, my favorite song 1:25:27.320 --> 1:25:30.559 is always the one I'm working on right now, and 1:25:30.880 --> 1:25:32.880 that's kind of how it been since then. It just 1:25:33.320 --> 1:25:36.720 it pretty much consumes my life and has since then. 1:25:36.880 --> 1:25:37.719 So how long. 1:25:37.600 --> 1:25:39.920 Until you get and I'm assuming you're getting into publishing 1:25:39.960 --> 1:25:41.840 deal first, which is what happened to they pay you 1:25:41.880 --> 1:25:43.920 to write songs. How long did it take from you 1:25:44.000 --> 1:25:45.880 playing that bluebird till you getting a publishing deal? 1:25:45.960 --> 1:25:47.479 So had I had a day job. 1:25:47.600 --> 1:25:52.840 I booked motivational speakers at Premiere Speakers Bureau in Franklin. 1:25:53.000 --> 1:25:55.599 Like what motivational speakers ran through in Franklin. 1:25:55.760 --> 1:25:56.599 A lot of right. 1:25:56.439 --> 1:26:01.440 Wing conservatives, old Steelers player Rocky Bleier, a couple of authors, 1:26:02.160 --> 1:26:05.760 Oliver North and the guy Sean Hennity. We booked them. 1:26:06.240 --> 1:26:11.840 Uh some of those were exclusive. Sorry again trying to 1:26:11.840 --> 1:26:12.759 get rid of that tic. 1:26:13.280 --> 1:26:17.400 Uh but yeah, just I booked them and uh lost. 1:26:17.560 --> 1:26:20.559 I actually lost my job in a year and then 1:26:20.680 --> 1:26:22.720 I got a pub deal. So it took me a 1:26:22.800 --> 1:26:25.599 year and a couple of months to secure a pub deal. 1:26:25.720 --> 1:26:28.160 So in that year, you're just writing and sending songs 1:26:28.200 --> 1:26:29.960 to people going, hey you check it out. 1:26:30.040 --> 1:26:32.280 No, in that year I was working, you know, that 1:26:32.400 --> 1:26:34.080 was No. Nine to five. 1:26:34.400 --> 1:26:38.439 My clientele was West Coast event planner, so I got 1:26:38.439 --> 1:26:40.040 to show up a little bit later and stay a 1:26:40.080 --> 1:26:42.559 little longer. But I was writing songs while I was working, 1:26:43.040 --> 1:26:46.200 you know, on my computer, just loading it up. And yeah, 1:26:46.240 --> 1:26:49.120 I mean playing open mic nights anybody I could ever 1:26:49.160 --> 1:26:52.000 get my songs in front of. Obviously I was trying 1:26:52.040 --> 1:26:55.839 to do that, playing all the local you know, songwriter 1:26:56.040 --> 1:26:59.880 nights that I could. And yeah, I wasn't really comparing 1:26:59.880 --> 1:27:02.360 myself to other people. I just love, like I said, 1:27:02.360 --> 1:27:06.960 I loved, loved, loved writing, I mean obsessed with writing. 1:27:07.200 --> 1:27:09.759 So you write and you start to get paid to write. 1:27:10.360 --> 1:27:12.759 And what did your first cut? 1:27:13.960 --> 1:27:14.719 Shoot? Man? 1:27:14.880 --> 1:27:18.400 I mean, my my first pub deal actually got me 1:27:18.439 --> 1:27:19.679 a record deal first. 1:27:19.720 --> 1:27:21.240 I mean I didn't get a cut. 1:27:22.160 --> 1:27:23.960 So your pub deal got you a record deal first? 1:27:24.360 --> 1:27:27.799 Is this the Keith Urban Demo story? No, that's that's capital. 1:27:27.920 --> 1:27:28.720 That's the second deal. 1:27:28.920 --> 1:27:31.679 The first pub deal I ever got was from a 1:27:31.800 --> 1:27:34.960 neighbor heard me messing around on the porch. He said, man, 1:27:34.960 --> 1:27:37.160 I really like what you do. I'm gonna take you 1:27:37.160 --> 1:27:39.599 to introduce you to two or three people. He brought 1:27:39.640 --> 1:27:43.919 me into town. I met two big time producers Franklin. 1:27:44.000 --> 1:27:46.719 In Franklin, here's your porch, here's me on the porch. 1:27:46.840 --> 1:27:47.080 Yeah. 1:27:47.240 --> 1:27:49.680 He's like, dude, I really love your voice. Did you 1:27:49.720 --> 1:27:51.760 write that? I'm like, yeah, you want to hear some more? 1:27:52.040 --> 1:27:54.200 And up I wrote a song about his kid, whose 1:27:54.280 --> 1:27:57.280 name is Hogan, which that was a business move right there. 1:27:57.320 --> 1:28:00.519 I was like, dude, if I write somebody's kid, really, 1:28:00.800 --> 1:28:03.240 you know, hooked me up. So he takes me into town, 1:28:03.520 --> 1:28:07.679 introduced me to introduces me to Scott Hendricks, David Malloy, 1:28:08.160 --> 1:28:11.960 and a guy named Christy DiNapoli. And Christy wanted to 1:28:11.960 --> 1:28:14.599 sign me to a pub deal. The other two wanted 1:28:14.640 --> 1:28:17.840 to maybe cut some sides and do the shoppy thingy 1:28:17.880 --> 1:28:20.200 and I wasn't really ready for that. I just wanted 1:28:20.240 --> 1:28:22.479 to write, you know, really bad. I wanted to get 1:28:22.520 --> 1:28:25.880 paid to write songs, and at that time I only 1:28:25.920 --> 1:28:27.439 had one kid, so I didn't have to make that 1:28:27.520 --> 1:28:31.880 much money. And so anyway, Christy signed me under a 1:28:31.880 --> 1:28:35.920 guy named Buddy Killing, who's gone now but great. First 1:28:35.920 --> 1:28:38.240 publisher to have learned a lot from that guy and 1:28:38.880 --> 1:28:41.479 Alison Jones. I know this is the industry, but signed 1:28:41.479 --> 1:28:43.480 me at Mercury. 1:28:43.560 --> 1:28:45.920 And so you get a publishing a deal and a 1:28:45.920 --> 1:28:47.400 record deal basically at the same time. 1:28:47.920 --> 1:28:50.400 Well, I got a pub deal and then we worked 1:28:50.400 --> 1:28:52.759 on it, you know, and he had cut some sides 1:28:52.800 --> 1:28:55.400 there and then they shot me and then got me 1:28:55.479 --> 1:28:57.160 my first record development deal. 1:28:57.280 --> 1:28:59.479 So when you get signed to a development deal, what 1:28:59.520 --> 1:29:01.120 do they start doing with you? Where do they develop? 1:29:01.439 --> 1:29:07.120 So the development deal basically got me James Stroud, great producer. 1:29:07.320 --> 1:29:08.640 He cut some sides on me. 1:29:08.720 --> 1:29:11.479 So what we did is just accumulate songs, kept writing 1:29:11.479 --> 1:29:15.240 for a little while, chose the best ones, went in 1:29:15.320 --> 1:29:17.640 the studio, cut them with an excellent band. So that 1:29:17.720 --> 1:29:20.240 was my first experience with that, you know, And of 1:29:20.240 --> 1:29:22.880 course we came home with five songs. I thought I 1:29:22.920 --> 1:29:26.720 was gonna be Garth Brooks, were you I sounded like him? Yeah, 1:29:26.760 --> 1:29:29.599 it sounded better than Now. I was not Garth Brooks. 1:29:29.640 --> 1:29:32.360 I had some great stuff, you know, looking back, I 1:29:32.400 --> 1:29:34.240 think some of those sides were good. 1:29:34.280 --> 1:29:36.000 But there was a. 1:29:36.000 --> 1:29:39.080 Falling out within the company and it wasn't long till 1:29:39.680 --> 1:29:42.120 I was off that that labeled me and that that 1:29:42.160 --> 1:29:43.599 deal expired pretty quick. 1:29:44.080 --> 1:29:47.280 So you're on. Did you put a record out? I didn't. 1:29:47.320 --> 1:29:51.600 I cut five sides, literally celebrated the cutting. 1:29:51.400 --> 1:29:54.439 My first five songs. You cut five songs. Yeah, I'm 1:29:54.439 --> 1:29:57.720 going We're beside myself and this stuff sounds so great. 1:29:58.000 --> 1:29:58.120 Uh. 1:29:58.520 --> 1:30:00.000 We finished those in a December. 1:30:00.560 --> 1:30:04.280 I got a call in January saying that James Stroud 1:30:04.400 --> 1:30:06.840 was gone from the label and that they he had 1:30:06.880 --> 1:30:11.439 parted with co you know, head People, and Alison Jones 1:30:11.520 --> 1:30:13.240 was leaving and I wasn't. 1:30:13.600 --> 1:30:16.479 I wasn't on the label anymore. But the label stayed. 1:30:16.720 --> 1:30:17.320 Label stayed. 1:30:17.400 --> 1:30:19.160 Yeah, and you never put out a single? 1:30:19.320 --> 1:30:21.320 No, never put out a single. Did you tell a 1:30:21.320 --> 1:30:24.120 publishing deal? I did? Okay, still writing. 1:30:24.000 --> 1:30:28.640 Still writing, and still still still trying to get outside cuts, 1:30:28.800 --> 1:30:30.519 but did not get outside cuts. 1:30:30.680 --> 1:30:33.400 So you have to go to another try to get 1:30:33.479 --> 1:30:35.599 how long until you get signed to a different label. 1:30:35.640 --> 1:30:39.439 So after that it took me two years to get 1:30:39.479 --> 1:30:40.240 another label. 1:30:40.640 --> 1:30:42.680 That is this when Urban here's your This is. 1:30:42.600 --> 1:30:45.840 When Autumn House, a friend of mine, pitched the song 1:30:45.960 --> 1:30:50.000 for Keith Urban. Keith Urban did not take the song, 1:30:50.800 --> 1:30:54.840 but the A and R rep at Capitol Autumn House said, 1:30:55.040 --> 1:30:58.080 I like this guy singing, I like this writing style. 1:30:58.560 --> 1:31:02.120 You know, who is this kid? And they said it's 1:31:02.200 --> 1:31:05.400 Walker Hayes, you know. And within a couple of months 1:31:05.520 --> 1:31:07.320 I had a deal in Capital. A lot of my 1:31:07.400 --> 1:31:10.160 deals came pretty quick, you know, deals are hard to get, 1:31:10.840 --> 1:31:14.080 but my first two just kind of fell into my lap. 1:31:14.160 --> 1:31:17.120 I mean they just kind of came out of nowhere 1:31:18.040 --> 1:31:18.320 for me. 1:31:18.600 --> 1:31:20.800 So you get a deal, you start to cut songs 1:31:20.840 --> 1:31:21.960 again or to use your old song. 1:31:22.120 --> 1:31:22.280 Oh. 1:31:22.360 --> 1:31:25.480 Man, when I got a deal at Capital, I was writing. 1:31:25.840 --> 1:31:28.160 You go through the producer search, you know. 1:31:28.240 --> 1:31:32.360 I was on Capital two years probably before we even decided, 1:31:32.760 --> 1:31:34.040 you know, to try a single. 1:31:34.160 --> 1:31:35.880 You had been signed for two years before you put 1:31:35.880 --> 1:31:36.360 a song out. 1:31:36.479 --> 1:31:39.240 Yeah, yeah, I think I've been a Capital around that time. 1:31:39.320 --> 1:31:42.720 So frustrating. Yeah, it was, yeah, it was. 1:31:42.800 --> 1:31:44.920 I mean we were looking for the right producer. We 1:31:45.040 --> 1:31:48.559 tried some, we cut some. They just didn't didn't blow 1:31:48.600 --> 1:31:49.560 our minds. 1:31:50.000 --> 1:31:50.240 You know. 1:31:50.560 --> 1:31:53.439 So then you have your first song. What's your first thingle. 1:31:53.520 --> 1:31:55.080 My first single was pants? 1:31:55.400 --> 1:31:55.760 All right? 1:32:03.160 --> 1:32:07.320 I like that look you're giving you by write that 1:32:07.640 --> 1:32:11.800 I did. I wrote it for my wife my cringe. 1:32:12.400 --> 1:32:14.599 I don't know, man, you know, I just hear it, 1:32:14.760 --> 1:32:19.759 and uh, it just doesn't sound you know, it doesn't 1:32:19.800 --> 1:32:21.120 sound that great. 1:32:21.160 --> 1:32:21.679 I just don't. 1:32:21.760 --> 1:32:24.080 I don't hear it like I did then when when 1:32:24.120 --> 1:32:27.439 I heard it then, I just I just thought, this 1:32:27.600 --> 1:32:32.080 is gonna be amazing. And I don't know, I just 1:32:32.200 --> 1:32:35.400 hear it now and it just the Maybe I've gotten 1:32:35.439 --> 1:32:36.720 better at writing, you know, and I. 1:32:36.680 --> 1:32:39.040 Can just see the holes in there. 1:32:39.080 --> 1:32:43.680 But yeah, I cringe, just like hearing myself on a 1:32:43.680 --> 1:32:49.760 answering machine. 1:32:50.439 --> 1:32:51.880 How the single do? I have no idea? 1:32:53.640 --> 1:32:57.280 The song was added heavily, you know, right off the back, 1:32:57.680 --> 1:33:00.280 and uh, you know, I saw success coming my way 1:33:00.400 --> 1:33:04.479 quick and h then it just hit a wall and uh, 1:33:05.000 --> 1:33:07.640 some people were slow to pick it up, and it 1:33:07.760 --> 1:33:13.360 went to thirty eight, and eventually, you know, Mike Dungan 1:33:13.720 --> 1:33:17.200 and Capital pulled it and they decided to go with 1:33:17.280 --> 1:33:19.280 another one shortly after that. 1:33:19.439 --> 1:33:20.120 What song was? 1:33:20.160 --> 1:33:20.720 After that one? 1:33:20.800 --> 1:33:22.920 They went with a song called why Wait for Summer? 1:33:22.960 --> 1:33:26.400 And it did not do as well those pants. 1:33:26.439 --> 1:33:29.080 If you have two singles that didn't work, did they 1:33:29.160 --> 1:33:30.720 drop you or are they? We're gonna work on some 1:33:30.760 --> 1:33:31.280 other stuff. 1:33:31.320 --> 1:33:33.360 So we chilled out for a long time. 1:33:33.439 --> 1:33:36.080 You know, I got put on the back Burner and 1:33:36.720 --> 1:33:41.040 I sat for a long long time, and man, honestly, 1:33:41.240 --> 1:33:45.080 just to give Capital some credit, I mean they believed, 1:33:45.400 --> 1:33:48.479 I mean, they believed hardcore and they stuck their neck 1:33:48.520 --> 1:33:52.840 out for me. I didn't fully understand, you know, the 1:33:52.920 --> 1:33:55.519 need for the machine. I didn't know how the biz 1:33:55.720 --> 1:33:59.400 really worked, you know at that time. Uh, you know, 1:33:59.720 --> 1:34:02.000 there was a little bit of arrogance. I'm not the 1:34:02.040 --> 1:34:06.120 most coachable human being on the planet, and that kind 1:34:06.120 --> 1:34:09.559 of you know, shot me in the foot back then. 1:34:09.680 --> 1:34:12.920 But yeah, we sat for a long time. I continue 1:34:12.960 --> 1:34:16.520 to just write and write and try to give them 1:34:16.880 --> 1:34:20.320 that one, you know that they felt confident, you know, 1:34:20.320 --> 1:34:23.200 if you're gonna go three deep, that third one, I 1:34:23.200 --> 1:34:25.920 mean that's your hell Mary right there, you know, especially 1:34:25.960 --> 1:34:27.360 if the first two have flopped. 1:34:29.040 --> 1:34:30.600 So I fought and fought. 1:34:30.439 --> 1:34:33.759 You know, to write and to get that that song, 1:34:34.280 --> 1:34:37.760 the one, and man just couldn't find it, and. 1:34:39.160 --> 1:34:41.679 You know, eventually got dropped. 1:34:42.000 --> 1:34:44.479 And uh yeah, I mean that was that was the 1:34:44.520 --> 1:34:48.120 beginning of some dark some dark times right there. 1:34:48.320 --> 1:34:50.800 So you get dropped every second label. Yeah, what year 1:34:50.840 --> 1:34:51.240 was that, you. 1:34:51.200 --> 1:34:55.560 Know, let's see, it's twenty seventeen, sixty fifteen. For probably fourteen, 1:34:55.840 --> 1:34:56.759 beginning fourteen. 1:34:57.000 --> 1:34:59.760 So you get dropped in twenty fourteen, So what do you. 1:34:59.720 --> 1:35:03.080 Do well at that period? 1:35:03.640 --> 1:35:05.800 I think I have four kids, So I'm still not 1:35:06.960 --> 1:35:11.559 I'm still not, uh truly buried in finance, financial woes. 1:35:11.560 --> 1:35:13.800 But I had a pub deal. You know, I'm still 1:35:13.800 --> 1:35:17.840 my my publishers. That's one thing that's that I've always 1:35:17.920 --> 1:35:20.720 had as a pub deal, publishers that believe that I 1:35:20.760 --> 1:35:22.080 can get outside cuts. 1:35:22.560 --> 1:35:25.519 You know. So at that time, I didn't. 1:35:25.920 --> 1:35:28.400 I wouldn't say I just shut the artist thing down, 1:35:29.000 --> 1:35:31.800 but I wrote, man, I aimed and aimed to get 1:35:31.800 --> 1:35:34.519 outside cuts. You know, I wanted outside country cuts. I 1:35:34.600 --> 1:35:38.600 wanted these mainstream artists, uh to to you know, I 1:35:38.720 --> 1:35:41.280 just knew somebody who's gonna cut one of my songs, 1:35:41.320 --> 1:35:44.280 It's gonna be huge, kind of solidify me as spot 1:35:45.040 --> 1:35:47.040 in that writer community. 1:35:47.320 --> 1:35:48.479 And uh, I. 1:35:48.439 --> 1:35:53.880 Eventually did get a cut from Rodney Atkins. Uh he 1:35:54.000 --> 1:35:57.680 cut one of my songs called Touching Feet, and uh 1:35:57.880 --> 1:36:02.040 it was you know, it was a great motivation, you know, 1:36:02.120 --> 1:36:03.080 to keep on writing. 1:36:03.840 --> 1:36:06.720 Didn't end up being a single, But hey. 1:36:06.920 --> 1:36:09.120 What about this here a Cold Fort song, dirty. 1:36:08.800 --> 1:36:10.719 Side dude, I love this song. 1:36:10.840 --> 1:36:11.599 This is my jams. 1:36:11.680 --> 1:36:14.920 You write it, Yeah, you're on Coult. Yeah he featured me, 1:36:17.640 --> 1:36:20.719 so you wrote we wrote it together. Yeah, I'm super 1:36:20.800 --> 1:36:22.519 appreciative feature. 1:36:23.200 --> 1:36:25.120 I'm talking about the perfect girl. Man, I'm gonna tell 1:36:25.120 --> 1:36:28.439 you everywhere stopped looking at the magazine's head on out. 1:36:28.600 --> 1:36:29.559 So you're writing, you're out. 1:36:29.640 --> 1:36:31.400 You don't have artists he all right, which you probably 1:36:31.400 --> 1:36:34.479 still want even though you're you still want to be 1:36:34.920 --> 1:36:37.120 the artist, right, but you do you want to be 1:36:37.160 --> 1:36:40.160 the writer. You talk about having dark times like your mind, 1:36:40.280 --> 1:36:41.880 just like they. 1:36:41.880 --> 1:36:46.960 Tell you what the darkest period I ever experienced here 1:36:47.000 --> 1:36:49.120 in Nashville was past these cuts. 1:36:49.160 --> 1:36:50.840 You know, you get a couple of cuts. 1:36:51.160 --> 1:36:53.800 And I'm still I'm not able to I mean, I'm 1:36:53.800 --> 1:36:57.120 barely supporting this, you know what I'm saying. The money 1:36:57.160 --> 1:36:59.800 is not just rolling in from from these types of cuts. 1:36:59.800 --> 1:37:02.000 I'm I'm not having hit singles, which is kind of 1:37:02.000 --> 1:37:06.080 what you gotta have, you know nowadays to thrive as 1:37:06.080 --> 1:37:08.040 a writer, you gotta have one every now and then. 1:37:08.880 --> 1:37:10.040 I'm loving what I'm doing. 1:37:10.200 --> 1:37:12.719 I mean, i feel like I'm getting better and better 1:37:12.800 --> 1:37:16.120 and so much closer to dialing it in, you know, 1:37:16.240 --> 1:37:19.760 with with what artists need and what they want and 1:37:20.160 --> 1:37:23.360 getting those outside cuts. But I'm playing at Pucket's boat 1:37:23.360 --> 1:37:28.120 House and money gets real tight. I'm talking seriously tight, 1:37:28.280 --> 1:37:31.120 and uh, I don't really like to ask for help. 1:37:31.520 --> 1:37:33.400 And I had toyed with. 1:37:33.920 --> 1:37:36.720 You know, getting kind of a second gig, and I 1:37:36.720 --> 1:37:39.839 remember this this night I will never forget. 1:37:40.400 --> 1:37:40.559 Uh. 1:37:40.720 --> 1:37:42.600 I'm playing Puckets boat House. 1:37:42.720 --> 1:37:44.920 Which, by the ways, it's like a restaurant in a 1:37:45.040 --> 1:37:49.160 stage for people. I just so, it's like a very 1:37:49.160 --> 1:37:53.040 famous Nashville Southern food restaurant and there's a stage on 1:37:53.160 --> 1:37:53.599 as well. 1:37:53.520 --> 1:37:55.479 Right, And so what I what I was doing is, 1:37:55.760 --> 1:37:57.160 you know, I didn't have an artist deal, but I 1:37:57.200 --> 1:38:01.000 want to keep performing so that the Annie Marshall at 1:38:01.000 --> 1:38:03.759 Pucket's so always so gracious to me giving me a gig, 1:38:04.120 --> 1:38:06.479 and I'm playing for tips, and what I would do 1:38:06.600 --> 1:38:08.880 is play an hour and then host an open mic 1:38:09.000 --> 1:38:11.040 night just for the community. 1:38:11.040 --> 1:38:12.519 I wanted to meet new writers and. 1:38:12.439 --> 1:38:15.320 Stuff and kind of do what people did for me 1:38:15.840 --> 1:38:18.679 in my first couple of years here. So one night, 1:38:19.479 --> 1:38:23.320 this guy comes and his name is Nick Canjre and 1:38:24.520 --> 1:38:28.160 sweet sweet guy comes up wants to play at the 1:38:28.240 --> 1:38:30.880 open mic night, and he just thinks, you know, he's 1:38:31.080 --> 1:38:35.040 heard my songs on Rodney, my stuff on Colt. He 1:38:35.120 --> 1:38:38.320 thinks I I'm like Elvis, you know, and he's just treating 1:38:38.360 --> 1:38:42.240 me like it too. And he mentions at one point 1:38:42.280 --> 1:38:44.519 in the night that he worked at the tire center 1:38:44.600 --> 1:38:47.639 at Costco, and I was looking for a job at 1:38:47.760 --> 1:38:51.519 night so I could continue writing during the day. And 1:38:51.600 --> 1:38:55.760 so it was just a humbling moment to kind of 1:38:55.800 --> 1:38:59.920 be like, Hey, while you're getting my autograph, do you 1:39:00.280 --> 1:39:03.519 know any you know, is there any openings at Costco? 1:39:03.640 --> 1:39:06.200 You know, are they looking for people that stock stuff 1:39:06.240 --> 1:39:09.479 overnight and stuff? And he hooked me up and that's 1:39:09.520 --> 1:39:11.640 how I got a job at Costco. But it was 1:39:11.720 --> 1:39:14.800 just I mean, I don't know if embarrassing is the word, 1:39:14.880 --> 1:39:17.800 but you know, it was just it was an interesting 1:39:17.880 --> 1:39:20.840 moment that he saw me as kind of like an 1:39:20.880 --> 1:39:24.600 influence on him musically. I was so happy, you know, 1:39:24.680 --> 1:39:28.200 to meet me, and I was like, Hey, kind of 1:39:28.240 --> 1:39:30.519 need a job, you know, I need some help. 1:39:30.600 --> 1:39:32.599 Can you can you hook me up? 1:39:32.840 --> 1:39:37.920 And so that was that that was a low a 1:39:37.960 --> 1:39:42.000 low point for me, kind of having to ask for 1:39:42.080 --> 1:39:42.920 help from that guy. 1:39:43.120 --> 1:39:45.599 Do you feel like you learned from it and appreciate 1:39:45.600 --> 1:39:47.280 it even more afterward. 1:39:48.200 --> 1:39:53.200 Just through that experience with Costco experience, everything, everything that 1:39:53.400 --> 1:39:56.040 is connecting with people now is pretty much about that 1:39:56.120 --> 1:40:00.680 experience of my life. So yes, it's been truly beneficial. 1:40:03.240 --> 1:40:07.040 I got a great perspective. Uh, you know what matters, 1:40:08.040 --> 1:40:10.559 you know, what matter in life. That's kind of what 1:40:10.680 --> 1:40:12.760 Leela's Stars is about. You know, I did a lot 1:40:12.760 --> 1:40:17.040 of I did a lot of I don't know what 1:40:17.120 --> 1:40:20.720 you say, like not soul searching, but you know we 1:40:20.920 --> 1:40:23.760 uh yeah. 1:40:23.439 --> 1:40:33.679 Interesting songs. This guy's just from the Car about your daughter. 1:40:33.960 --> 1:40:37.960 Yeah yeah, that song is about the thumb tacks that 1:40:38.040 --> 1:40:40.240 she gave me to hold up the roof of my 1:40:40.360 --> 1:40:42.680 Honda that I had at the time, and when my 1:40:43.200 --> 1:40:45.920 roof was coming down, I lost it and I was 1:40:46.080 --> 1:40:49.479 just cuzy. At that point in my life, I was 1:40:49.600 --> 1:40:53.639 drinking a ton just to kind of cut the edge 1:40:53.680 --> 1:40:57.200 off the heaviness and the burdens and stuff that I 1:40:57.600 --> 1:41:01.080 was kind of up against with one to still chase 1:41:01.120 --> 1:41:04.519 my dream, kind of thinking I was nuts. Pretty much. 1:41:04.800 --> 1:41:07.200 Let everybody looking at us from the outside, I probably 1:41:07.240 --> 1:41:10.680 thought I was nuts too. You know, I had all 1:41:10.720 --> 1:41:13.240 the kids and I was still trying to do that 1:41:13.680 --> 1:41:16.080 to take care of them when I could have, you know, 1:41:16.200 --> 1:41:18.160 done a lot of other things that made a whole 1:41:18.160 --> 1:41:20.479 lot of sense, you know, to take care of them. 1:41:20.479 --> 1:41:24.640 But yeah, Leadless Stars is about those thumbtacks that she 1:41:24.880 --> 1:41:28.400 let me borrow. And I was really bombed and frustrated 1:41:28.439 --> 1:41:31.760 at the time. The roof coming out in my car 1:41:31.920 --> 1:41:34.160 was one of those moments in your life where you're 1:41:34.200 --> 1:41:36.160 looking up and you're like, you gotta be kidding me, 1:41:36.640 --> 1:41:41.040 you know, like I need one fricking more thing, you know, 1:41:41.240 --> 1:41:44.400 to carry right now. And one morning, when I was 1:41:44.400 --> 1:41:46.920 about to clock in at Costco, I looked up and 1:41:46.960 --> 1:41:52.559 I saw those thumbtacks and it just reminded me. Well, 1:41:52.600 --> 1:41:55.599 first I thought of her face and just her smile 1:41:55.880 --> 1:42:00.200 and how much fun she had putting those up, and 1:42:00.520 --> 1:42:02.479 she just thought they were awesome, you know, they made 1:42:02.479 --> 1:42:05.840 the car look incredible, and it was just an interesting 1:42:05.880 --> 1:42:09.000 perspective at that time to remember, Hey, I got healthy kids, 1:42:09.200 --> 1:42:12.080 I do have a job, I have two you know 1:42:12.120 --> 1:42:15.240 what I mean, and I'm still able to write. My 1:42:15.320 --> 1:42:19.680 wife never was unhappy, you know, I was really the 1:42:19.680 --> 1:42:24.160 only one, uh that was unhappy, And so that was 1:42:24.200 --> 1:42:28.120 a that was a great moment and got a cool 1:42:28.160 --> 1:42:28.800 song out of it. 1:42:29.240 --> 1:42:31.000 So you were drinking a lot. You don't drink it 1:42:31.040 --> 1:42:33.479 all now, no sober, so you must have been drinking 1:42:33.520 --> 1:42:33.800 a lot. 1:42:34.400 --> 1:42:34.960 Tend to go. 1:42:35.600 --> 1:42:39.160 I have to stop, man, I was, I mean, we want, 1:42:39.240 --> 1:42:41.439 we want to talk about numbers. I mean I was, like, 1:42:42.439 --> 1:42:45.000 I mean, I was drinking from I was drunk at Costco. 1:42:46.439 --> 1:42:49.599 You know, obviously I was doing my work, working hard, 1:42:49.640 --> 1:42:53.080 but I mean I was, I was drinking on on 1:42:53.240 --> 1:42:56.520 breaks at Costco. You know, I go to the parking lot, 1:42:56.720 --> 1:42:59.840 you know, and do that leave, go do a show 1:42:59.880 --> 1:43:02.960 with Bluebird. You know, they were hiring me for shows. 1:43:03.000 --> 1:43:05.040 I was still able to get some work out of them. 1:43:05.760 --> 1:43:08.920 I drink before them, drink after them, drink while I wrote, 1:43:09.280 --> 1:43:10.799 drive home, drink. 1:43:10.920 --> 1:43:13.360 Drink because you're sad man. 1:43:14.000 --> 1:43:17.559 Uh yeah, I think, you know, I think I was 1:43:17.680 --> 1:43:21.400 just uh, I just didn't want to face. 1:43:23.080 --> 1:43:24.800 Not making it, you know, not not. 1:43:24.800 --> 1:43:28.240 Being able to to take care of everybody. You know, 1:43:28.280 --> 1:43:32.880 It's almost like when you're drunk, Uh, those things aren't 1:43:32.880 --> 1:43:35.960 as heavy, you know, they don't matter, I guess, and 1:43:37.320 --> 1:43:40.719 drinking a little bit out of just insecurity and fear, 1:43:41.080 --> 1:43:45.920 you know, I guess, uh, you know, just scared what. 1:43:46.000 --> 1:43:47.400 Was the point where you were like, Okay, I gotta 1:43:47.560 --> 1:43:48.760 I gotta chill, dude. 1:43:48.800 --> 1:43:51.680 Me quitting is the weirdest story, I don't. You know. 1:43:51.800 --> 1:43:53.800 Hopefully at some point it will make sense where I 1:43:53.800 --> 1:43:57.639 could kind of help other people and and and and 1:43:57.640 --> 1:44:00.719 and explain it. But honestly, I mean. 1:44:00.640 --> 1:44:01.360 I think I was. 1:44:02.040 --> 1:44:05.280 I think my body just said to my brain, you 1:44:05.360 --> 1:44:07.799 have to you have to quit. You know, we're working 1:44:08.280 --> 1:44:11.480 and drinking that much. I woke up on a Saturday. 1:44:11.920 --> 1:44:12.479 I remember that. 1:44:12.640 --> 1:44:16.400 It was in October, football game day, me and football. 1:44:16.560 --> 1:44:19.439 Not drinking just didn't ever happen. That hadn't happened since 1:44:19.439 --> 1:44:23.040 I was probably like fifteen, I don't know, something crazy 1:44:23.120 --> 1:44:23.439 like that. 1:44:23.960 --> 1:44:26.559 And I just didn't drink one Saturday. And I don't 1:44:26.560 --> 1:44:27.200 even know why. 1:44:27.680 --> 1:44:30.200 I didn't like wake up and say, man, I gotta stop. 1:44:30.840 --> 1:44:35.559 I just woke up, didn't drink that day, didn't drink 1:44:35.560 --> 1:44:37.960 on Sunday. A couple of days turn into a week, 1:44:38.760 --> 1:44:42.960 you know, and then it became this like challenge where 1:44:43.000 --> 1:44:46.040 it was like I've gone this far, I want to 1:44:46.040 --> 1:44:49.559 go backwards, you know. And I also kind of had 1:44:49.600 --> 1:44:53.040 a little sobriety high. You know, when you quit drinking. 1:44:53.280 --> 1:44:56.960 You've been drinking that much, your body feels really really 1:44:57.000 --> 1:45:02.920 good once it gets over, you know, not craving just 1:45:02.960 --> 1:45:06.400 to drink with all your might. But so yeah, now 1:45:06.800 --> 1:45:10.160 I'm like, that was two octobers ago, so I'm a 1:45:10.240 --> 1:45:11.879 year and almost a half. 1:45:12.479 --> 1:45:14.679 The funny thing is I don't drink. A guy there, 1:45:15.200 --> 1:45:17.479 Walker doesn't drink. And when we go on tour this 1:45:17.600 --> 1:45:21.240 beer like the writers like full of beer, and Walker 1:45:22.040 --> 1:45:25.240 he just sits there. Yeah, it's like, Walker, I know 1:45:25.280 --> 1:45:27.679 you don't drink, but if you know anybody that wants beer, 1:45:27.760 --> 1:45:28.479 they can have it. 1:45:29.000 --> 1:45:29.559 Hang tight. 1:45:29.960 --> 1:45:36.960 The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow, and we're 1:45:37.040 --> 1:45:38.920 back on the Bobby Cast. 1:45:39.240 --> 1:45:41.840 Cole Swindell talks about making the move in Nashville back 1:45:41.880 --> 1:45:44.280 in two thousand and seven with the plans on being 1:45:44.320 --> 1:45:49.000 a songwriter, but became a successful artist too. When you 1:45:49.080 --> 1:45:50.880 first moved to town, though, you had to be pretty 1:45:50.880 --> 1:45:53.559 intimidated to walk into some of these big rooms. Oh yeah, yes, 1:45:53.720 --> 1:45:55.880 Like what was the first ride that you can think 1:45:55.880 --> 1:45:58.040 about in your head? You walked into and there was 1:45:58.040 --> 1:45:59.720 like a rider that you're like, man, I should be 1:45:59.800 --> 1:46:01.920 right with this person, Like actually I'm writing with a 1:46:02.479 --> 1:46:03.760 legend or somebody that I look up to. 1:46:03.920 --> 1:46:08.320 Yeah, I mean I remember one of the stories for me, 1:46:08.400 --> 1:46:09.800 and it goes back to being a kid. 1:46:09.840 --> 1:46:10.040 You know. 1:46:10.400 --> 1:46:12.719 I always say I fell in love with nineties country music, 1:46:12.760 --> 1:46:14.920 and that's one of the guys, you know, Thomas Rhetz 1:46:14.920 --> 1:46:17.320 that Rhett Akins was one of the artists I loved 1:46:17.320 --> 1:46:20.480 as a kid. And I remember being in a room 1:46:20.520 --> 1:46:23.080 the first time we ever read, the first wrote, the 1:46:23.080 --> 1:46:25.960 first song we ever wrote was a song Thomas Rhett 1:46:26.040 --> 1:46:28.400 to get me some of that, And that was just 1:46:28.800 --> 1:46:31.160 that memory was my first like only in Nashville, Like 1:46:31.200 --> 1:46:33.759 you grew up listening to a guy and the first 1:46:33.800 --> 1:46:36.240 song you end up writing his son takes to the 1:46:36.240 --> 1:46:38.760 top of the charts, and it's just that's a Nashville 1:46:38.880 --> 1:46:40.920 story if I've ever heard one. But yeah, there's so many. 1:46:41.439 --> 1:46:45.320 You know, you go from playing college bars and so 1:46:46.520 --> 1:46:47.040 let me stop you. 1:46:47.760 --> 1:46:49.240 So you go on to write it. How long you've 1:46:49.240 --> 1:46:50.280 been to Nasville when you wrote the song? 1:46:51.880 --> 1:46:54.920 Probably for four years or so. 1:46:54.960 --> 1:46:57.280 I had just gotten off the road from you know, 1:46:57.360 --> 1:47:00.280 doing the T shirt thing. I had a publishing and 1:47:00.280 --> 1:47:01.720 this was one of my this is the first time 1:47:01.800 --> 1:47:04.120 in read everybody, we've been buddies. But that was a 1:47:04.920 --> 1:47:06.840 man I was. That was a crazy story to go 1:47:06.880 --> 1:47:08.559 from being a fan of his to write with him. 1:47:08.560 --> 1:47:10.840 And it was just a straight car, right, me and 1:47:10.880 --> 1:47:12.479 Rahet and Michael Carter, my producer. 1:47:12.560 --> 1:47:15.000 But yeah, so you walk in, you write this song, 1:47:15.080 --> 1:47:17.400 and when you write a song, did you think maybe 1:47:17.400 --> 1:47:17.960 it would be for you? 1:47:18.200 --> 1:47:18.360 Now? 1:47:18.960 --> 1:47:21.280 You know at this point like this is this all happened? 1:47:21.320 --> 1:47:23.360 Before I got my record deal. I was writing songs 1:47:23.360 --> 1:47:26.800 every single day, just wishing somebody would record them. And 1:47:26.960 --> 1:47:28.360 this one, I don't know what. 1:47:28.880 --> 1:47:29.920 I loved it. 1:47:29.960 --> 1:47:31.479 I thought it was a great song, but I just 1:47:31.479 --> 1:47:33.000 didn't have enough going for me. I didn't have the 1:47:33.080 --> 1:47:35.760 artist thing going and I was willing for anybody when 1:47:35.800 --> 1:47:38.240 I heard that Thomas Rhett loved it. You know, I've 1:47:38.280 --> 1:47:40.519 always been the Thomas Repp fan and a Buddy hiss, 1:47:40.520 --> 1:47:42.600 so I was just hoping to get a cut, you 1:47:42.600 --> 1:47:44.240 know that those things that's what got me. 1:47:44.400 --> 1:47:44.559 You know. 1:47:44.600 --> 1:47:46.760 I think my chance that ultimately had a record deal 1:47:46.920 --> 1:47:49.920 was getting other big time artists to record my songs. 1:47:49.920 --> 1:47:52.599 And that was That's one memory of you know, you 1:47:52.640 --> 1:47:55.200 go from playing songs written by people on the board 1:47:55.200 --> 1:47:57.519 of sitting in a room with them and writing a song, 1:47:57.560 --> 1:48:00.599 and that's just that's when you know you're you're living 1:48:00.640 --> 1:48:02.519 the dream man, when you're getting to do do that. 1:48:02.640 --> 1:48:06.400 Is that the first song for you that was like, Okay, 1:48:06.600 --> 1:48:09.360 I can make a little money, I can relax a 1:48:09.439 --> 1:48:09.880 little bit. 1:48:10.680 --> 1:48:11.960 Is that the first one of those? 1:48:12.240 --> 1:48:15.040 I mean, yeah, because I had I had, you know, 1:48:15.080 --> 1:48:18.120 a couple of early cuts, like Scotty McCreery right after 1:48:18.160 --> 1:48:20.640 he had won American Idol he want he recorded one 1:48:20.640 --> 1:48:22.680 of my songs, water Tower Town, I wrote about my. 1:48:24.320 --> 1:48:25.360 Tea goes come with it. 1:48:25.680 --> 1:48:28.720 How do you have on this? But that's like we 1:48:28.760 --> 1:48:29.800 do our research on this. 1:48:29.800 --> 1:48:30.920 This is water Tower down. 1:48:30.880 --> 1:48:32.679 Yeah, this is you know that's I wrote that about 1:48:32.720 --> 1:48:35.439 my hometown. And I remember, you know, thinking that it 1:48:35.640 --> 1:48:37.400 didn't end up doing you know, what we thought was 1:48:37.439 --> 1:48:39.400 still that that let me know that, hey, I got 1:48:39.400 --> 1:48:42.160 a chance in this town. And Scotty what a great 1:48:42.160 --> 1:48:44.960 guy he is, and speaking to him that his new 1:48:45.000 --> 1:48:47.680 song that you, Oh my god, that's that's one of 1:48:47.720 --> 1:48:49.479 the best songs I've heard. I texted him as soon 1:48:49.520 --> 1:48:52.040 as I heard it when when y'all were talking about it, and. 1:48:52.000 --> 1:48:54.080 It's just it's he's a great dude. 1:48:54.080 --> 1:48:55.960 So to have somebody like that to record one of 1:48:55.960 --> 1:48:58.360 your songs about your town and and you know, some 1:48:58.400 --> 1:49:00.920 of the same beliefs, it's just a cool moment for me. 1:49:00.960 --> 1:49:03.000 But Thomas Rhad that was a different level. 1:49:03.000 --> 1:49:04.560 You know, Paula, let me stop you. So this is 1:49:04.560 --> 1:49:06.760 Scotty McCurry song. This was the first one by an 1:49:06.920 --> 1:49:10.280 artist that was somewhat successful that you're like, Okay, this 1:49:10.320 --> 1:49:11.679 literally has a chance, and it was kind of really 1:49:11.680 --> 1:49:12.800 a cool moment for you. 1:49:12.880 --> 1:49:15.360 It's huge, huge moment because I remember it was one 1:49:15.360 --> 1:49:17.640 of those I learned a lesson because you know, when 1:49:17.680 --> 1:49:19.439 I wrote this song, ultimately, you know, me and Luke 1:49:19.479 --> 1:49:21.640 were close, and I was like, man, Luke's gonna love this. 1:49:21.680 --> 1:49:23.799 I can just see him loving it. And I remember 1:49:23.880 --> 1:49:25.479 I sent it to him and all he sent back 1:49:25.600 --> 1:49:28.280 was yeah, man, I love that everybody knows your mom 1:49:28.320 --> 1:49:30.200 and them lying, and that's all he said. And I 1:49:30.240 --> 1:49:32.679 was like crushed. I was like, man, I was like oh, 1:49:32.800 --> 1:49:34.320 I was like, that is not what I was wanted 1:49:34.320 --> 1:49:37.120 to hear. And literally, you know, a month or two later, 1:49:37.160 --> 1:49:40.200 Scotty wins American Idol and that song gets recorded and 1:49:40.240 --> 1:49:42.720 it's on a platinum album, and it just I learned 1:49:42.760 --> 1:49:44.800 that day that you know, you may think you got 1:49:44.800 --> 1:49:46.760 it all planned out what but it's it's going to 1:49:46.840 --> 1:49:48.920 work out how it's supposed to. And that one that 1:49:49.040 --> 1:49:52.000 was my really first example of you know, I'm just 1:49:52.000 --> 1:49:53.799 going to try to do the right thing, write songs 1:49:53.800 --> 1:49:55.080 and they'll end up where they're supposed to. 1:49:55.320 --> 1:49:58.320 So water Tower Town, Scotty mccury cuts that and then 1:49:58.360 --> 1:50:01.200 you just realized, Okay, I I can write these songs. 1:50:01.640 --> 1:50:03.200 Did you have the confidence before that? 1:50:03.600 --> 1:50:04.920 Was it like it's a matter of time or did 1:50:04.960 --> 1:50:06.920 it take songs to hit before you started to realize 1:50:06.920 --> 1:50:07.800 you could play in the league. 1:50:07.880 --> 1:50:09.840 You know, I would like to say I moved up 1:50:09.840 --> 1:50:11.960 here thinking I was gonna be but you know, I 1:50:11.960 --> 1:50:14.760 think you have to, you know, have something like that happen. 1:50:14.920 --> 1:50:18.880 Have you know, you know, publishing companies, record label doing that. 1:50:18.880 --> 1:50:21.920 That that means they believe in what you're writing. And yeah, 1:50:22.280 --> 1:50:24.559 you do get confidence. I mean it's hard to have 1:50:24.680 --> 1:50:26.600 confidence when you're writing all these songs and you know 1:50:26.600 --> 1:50:29.559 they're not really getting any traction. But you just learned. 1:50:29.600 --> 1:50:31.439 You know, that's why they say, you know, write every day, 1:50:31.479 --> 1:50:33.559 because the more you do it, the better you get, 1:50:33.600 --> 1:50:35.960 and it's just the chances are better you're going to 1:50:36.040 --> 1:50:38.000 have a great song the more you write. And that 1:50:38.200 --> 1:50:42.360 was I remember Dallas and some of my other writer 1:50:42.479 --> 1:50:46.040 friends calling me and just saying that when that song 1:50:46.080 --> 1:50:48.920 got recorded, like hey, congratulations, but don't stop like this 1:50:49.000 --> 1:50:51.040 is this is where you got to show up with a 1:50:51.080 --> 1:50:53.479 lot of people just say I've made it. And you 1:50:53.520 --> 1:50:55.320 know that's I think that's what you got to do. 1:50:55.320 --> 1:50:56.080 You got to keep going. 1:50:56.479 --> 1:50:58.479 Was that Do you think that'd be a big single? 1:50:58.520 --> 1:51:00.320 When you when you cut it, were you hoping, like man, 1:51:00.360 --> 1:51:02.040 that this could be a number one hit? Is that 1:51:02.080 --> 1:51:04.120 what you Is that what every every time you cut wanted? 1:51:04.280 --> 1:51:05.240 I mean, yeah, I. 1:51:05.160 --> 1:51:08.479 Think you're you're hoping that that's what? Uh you know, 1:51:08.520 --> 1:51:10.280 but I think being around the business, you know how 1:51:10.320 --> 1:51:13.000 hard it is to to to do that, to write. 1:51:13.040 --> 1:51:15.360 There's so many great writers in this town. But yeah, 1:51:15.400 --> 1:51:17.400 I think you're always wanting like and that that song 1:51:17.400 --> 1:51:19.080 when it there's one thing for it to be. 1:51:19.080 --> 1:51:19.639 On the album. 1:51:19.680 --> 1:51:21.720 I mean, that's a huge album coming straight up. I 1:51:21.720 --> 1:51:23.800 mean selling over a million copies these days, it's it's 1:51:23.840 --> 1:51:27.800 hard unheard of and uh, pretty much but and uh 1:51:27.840 --> 1:51:30.040 to have that. But then when it announced as a single, 1:51:30.040 --> 1:51:32.400 I remember thinking that was my first single to country radio, 1:51:32.439 --> 1:51:35.000 and I thought I didn't even know what to think. Man, 1:51:35.040 --> 1:51:37.040 I mean that song here I wrote about you know 1:51:37.240 --> 1:51:39.680 where I grew up, and and uh, you know, it 1:51:39.720 --> 1:51:42.160 was hitting country radio and that just like I said, 1:51:42.200 --> 1:51:43.960 either way, I mean that that was my first taste 1:51:44.040 --> 1:51:46.960 of seeing how a song was doing and wondering what 1:51:47.000 --> 1:51:47.840 was gonna happen with. 1:51:47.800 --> 1:51:50.879 It, and watching a charge watching it, yeah, watching the chart. 1:51:50.720 --> 1:51:53.280 And it's it's, uh, you know, that's that's just how 1:51:53.720 --> 1:51:56.640 how you learn the business, I guess. And I'm just 1:51:56.640 --> 1:51:58.680 glad that, you know, that song helped me, you know, 1:51:58.840 --> 1:52:01.040 no matter how it did, it got me. Uh, it 1:52:01.080 --> 1:52:03.240 gave me the confidence to keep writing and know that 1:52:03.280 --> 1:52:06.439 how my songs are, you know, hopefully worthy of radio someday. 1:52:06.760 --> 1:52:10.160 All right, So after water Tower Town, what's the next 1:52:10.200 --> 1:52:13.439 song you wrote? That you were like, Okay, this one 1:52:13.439 --> 1:52:16.760 has a shot. Now, okay, like this one has a 1:52:16.800 --> 1:52:20.000 shot like WaterTower Town had a little higher hopes, but 1:52:20.040 --> 1:52:22.479 you're still happy about it. It made you feel confident 1:52:22.520 --> 1:52:27.120 you could walk into a room. Then what'd you write? So? 1:52:27.240 --> 1:52:27.360 Well? 1:52:27.600 --> 1:52:29.559 I know, I wrote a song that that Chris Young 1:52:29.600 --> 1:52:34.200 recorded after that, but then after I wrote wrote a 1:52:34.200 --> 1:52:37.400 song for Luke Bryan called roller Coaster that I've heard of, 1:52:37.400 --> 1:52:42.479 that one this is the one. I mean, yeah, this, 1:52:42.479 --> 1:52:44.080 this was this didn't get me some of that, Like 1:52:44.120 --> 1:52:46.800 those were almost around the same time, I feel like, 1:52:46.920 --> 1:52:49.160 and you know, but this one was the one that 1:52:50.200 --> 1:52:53.160 you know, just our history from you know, knowing Luke 1:52:53.240 --> 1:52:56.320 and working for him to writing songs. And I mean 1:52:56.360 --> 1:52:58.400 when we played him this, me and Michael Carter wrote 1:52:58.400 --> 1:53:00.479 this one, we played it for him. It wasn't even 1:53:00.520 --> 1:53:02.000 to pitch it to him. It wasn't to see if 1:53:02.000 --> 1:53:03.800 he would record it with me and Michael. It was 1:53:03.800 --> 1:53:06.040 the first song we'd kind of written together and we 1:53:06.080 --> 1:53:08.080 had he had produced it how he wanted, and we 1:53:08.120 --> 1:53:09.479 just want him to hear my voice on it to 1:53:09.479 --> 1:53:12.080 see what he thought. And he freaked out, drove us 1:53:12.080 --> 1:53:14.519 straight over to his producer's house and me and Michael 1:53:14.520 --> 1:53:15.920 are sitting there like what is going on? 1:53:16.040 --> 1:53:17.559 Where that feeling is? 1:53:17.640 --> 1:53:20.280 That's one of a kind feeling when somebody you've looked 1:53:20.320 --> 1:53:22.679 up to is about to I mean, it's freaking out 1:53:22.720 --> 1:53:24.720 literally over a song like you've never seen them, you know, 1:53:24.720 --> 1:53:26.320 you used to freak out over their songs like that, 1:53:26.400 --> 1:53:29.960 and now here's something we wrote and to see him 1:53:30.000 --> 1:53:34.240 and Jeff Stevens just you know, go crazy over this song. 1:53:34.280 --> 1:53:35.960 I mean, it was one of the best, you know, 1:53:36.160 --> 1:53:39.160 moments of my life, just knowing that man, this song, right, 1:53:39.240 --> 1:53:41.519 that's it's one of those things. That's why we love songwriting, 1:53:41.600 --> 1:53:44.240 is because to make somebody feel like that, and that's 1:53:44.400 --> 1:53:46.120 you know, that's why I moved to Nashville because that's 1:53:46.120 --> 1:53:47.920 how music, you know, it makes me feel. 1:53:48.000 --> 1:53:49.160 And that's crazy. 1:53:49.600 --> 1:53:50.800 But after no on that Astrard, let me hear. 1:53:50.720 --> 1:53:54.520 This, and now I'm wondering word going. 1:53:54.520 --> 1:53:55.599 I need to recut this too. 1:53:56.000 --> 1:54:01.960 I wish yeah, yeah, yeah, and you put your vocal 1:54:02.000 --> 1:54:03.400 on in the jemo I got to see. 1:54:03.400 --> 1:54:03.840 I still have. 1:54:03.960 --> 1:54:05.920 I thought about that someday, you know, like maybe putting 1:54:05.920 --> 1:54:12.080 out my own little uh like just the you know, 1:54:12.160 --> 1:54:14.519 the the versions of my versions of the songs, because 1:54:14.560 --> 1:54:17.000 I mean, that's what pretty much got me my you know, 1:54:17.040 --> 1:54:19.320 when labels we were pitching my songs and they're like, what, 1:54:19.400 --> 1:54:21.120 you know, why aren't you why can't you sing this song? 1:54:21.160 --> 1:54:23.360 Or why wouldn't you sing this? And it just kind 1:54:23.360 --> 1:54:25.200 of that gave me confidence too. It's like, man, maybe 1:54:25.200 --> 1:54:27.320 I need to book a show, because you know, when 1:54:27.360 --> 1:54:29.719 I moved here, I'd just been singing cover songs, playing 1:54:29.720 --> 1:54:32.360 in bars, me and a buddy of mine. Acoustic no uh, 1:54:32.640 --> 1:54:35.120 no big band or anything, but we just played country 1:54:35.160 --> 1:54:37.600 covers and I'd gotten into the songwriting things. So I 1:54:37.640 --> 1:54:39.200 moved here and fell in love with the. 1:54:39.320 --> 1:54:41.600 With the writing. Did you move here to be an artist? 1:54:41.880 --> 1:54:45.000 I mean, ultimately yes, but I knew that I was, 1:54:45.040 --> 1:54:46.400 you know, I wanted to have my own songs, and 1:54:46.440 --> 1:54:48.000 I you know, I had friends in the business that 1:54:48.160 --> 1:54:49.840 was that said, you know, you need to if you 1:54:49.960 --> 1:54:51.760 like songwriting and you're interested like you are. 1:54:51.800 --> 1:54:53.200 I mean I was looking up. 1:54:53.240 --> 1:54:55.360 I was more starstruck by the songwriters when I got 1:54:55.360 --> 1:54:57.640 here because I you know, I had been on stage. 1:54:57.680 --> 1:55:00.000 I loved entertaining, but I knew I didn't have the song. 1:55:00.200 --> 1:55:02.640 I didn't I couldn't write a song like I wanted to. 1:55:02.680 --> 1:55:04.880 And you know that's why I'm lived here and to 1:55:05.400 --> 1:55:08.400 take three solid year and just focus on songwriting. I 1:55:08.400 --> 1:55:10.080 mean that if that wouldn't have happened that way, I 1:55:10.120 --> 1:55:11.800 wouldn't have had those songs for you know, when I 1:55:11.920 --> 1:55:13.800 finally got my chance at a record deal. So that's 1:55:13.840 --> 1:55:17.000 another situation where I thought I was gonna come up here. 1:55:17.040 --> 1:55:18.400 I was ready to get a record deal, and I 1:55:18.400 --> 1:55:20.560 would have had have screwed it up so fast. I mean, 1:55:20.680 --> 1:55:22.480 it just happened that at the right time. But that 1:55:22.920 --> 1:55:25.080 songwriting was definitely my my avenue. 1:55:25.120 --> 1:55:27.720 I think, so, you know, in this town and then 1:55:27.800 --> 1:55:29.280 luckily during the show, I get to bring up all 1:55:29.280 --> 1:55:33.160 the great songwriters. Yeah, you know, there becomes the coolest 1:55:33.200 --> 1:55:36.280 songwriters of the moment. Did aren't artists yet, it may 1:55:36.320 --> 1:55:38.839 never be, but it's like, you know, who's the coolest? 1:55:39.240 --> 1:55:43.000 Were you for a while? That the coolest songwriter for 1:55:43.000 --> 1:55:43.440 a minute? 1:55:43.480 --> 1:55:45.080 I don't think so. I don't. 1:55:46.480 --> 1:55:48.600 You know, I wouldn't think that. I would think that 1:55:48.640 --> 1:55:51.000 I was a guy that people hopefully wanted to write 1:55:51.040 --> 1:55:51.920 with a second time and. 1:55:51.880 --> 1:55:52.440 The third time. 1:55:52.480 --> 1:55:55.320 I think that's you know something my publisher, the people 1:55:55.360 --> 1:55:57.400 that you know brought me up through the business. It 1:55:57.520 --> 1:55:59.240 was like, you know, you got to have this town, 1:55:59.840 --> 1:56:01.560 you know behind you wanting to write with you again. 1:56:01.600 --> 1:56:05.200 I mean, you gotta you know, you gotta write the 1:56:05.200 --> 1:56:07.400 best songs you can. And I think, uh, I never 1:56:07.400 --> 1:56:09.320 felt like that I just felt like I started getting 1:56:09.320 --> 1:56:12.280 some songs recorded and people heard my versions and it 1:56:12.320 --> 1:56:14.800 was like a lot of artists now it's like, well man, 1:56:15.000 --> 1:56:17.960 that's uh, you know, that's and that was about the 1:56:18.000 --> 1:56:19.240 time that that you came along. 1:56:19.280 --> 1:56:19.440 You know. 1:56:19.480 --> 1:56:22.640 It's it's crazy to think like it's all that happened. Uh, 1:56:23.080 --> 1:56:24.600 and then I finally got my chance. 1:56:24.680 --> 1:56:27.080 So I it is crazy to think that you've really 1:56:27.080 --> 1:56:29.640 only been an artist for about four and a half. 1:56:29.520 --> 1:56:31.760 Years, and that's what's something I think. 1:56:32.000 --> 1:56:33.200 You know, there's a ton of hits. 1:56:33.440 --> 1:56:35.920 Well thank you man, I'm on my It's crazy to 1:56:35.960 --> 1:56:38.040 me from I mean, I met you during chilling It 1:56:38.120 --> 1:56:40.720 and now I'm on my seventh single that is in 1:56:40.760 --> 1:56:42.920 that amount of time. I mean, you know, we talked 1:56:42.920 --> 1:56:44.680 a little bit of you. I don't know how you 1:56:44.720 --> 1:56:47.120 measure success really. I think it's happiness. But I think 1:56:47.120 --> 1:56:49.920 that if you look at what I've done, and I 1:56:49.960 --> 1:56:51.880 can't I don't have anything to complain about it if 1:56:51.880 --> 1:56:53.840 something doesn't go my way, I mean, look at look 1:56:53.880 --> 1:56:56.520 at what's happened for me. And it takes some somebody 1:56:56.560 --> 1:56:59.040 like your mama or whatever, you know, pointing that out. 1:56:59.080 --> 1:57:00.680 It's like, you know, we all always in this. We 1:57:00.680 --> 1:57:03.360 always want what's next, what's next? But man, you're right. 1:57:03.760 --> 1:57:05.360 Four and a half years I couldn't have couldn't have 1:57:05.440 --> 1:57:06.720 drawn it up any any better. 1:57:06.760 --> 1:57:08.680 And you hid from the internet at the same time. 1:57:08.720 --> 1:57:10.880 Oh my god, it's amazing. Here I'm gonna play chilling It. 1:57:11.000 --> 1:57:12.840 I think I'm a story about this when I yeah, 1:57:12.880 --> 1:57:14.320 I got my shame. 1:57:13.760 --> 1:57:16.160 So this song comes out by this dude. I don't 1:57:16.160 --> 1:57:16.840 even know what this dude. 1:57:17.600 --> 1:57:19.760 He says, up a cooler to the studio, and I'm like, 1:57:19.840 --> 1:57:21.839 let me see what this is. He set up a cooler, 1:57:22.080 --> 1:57:22.880 Let me see what this is. 1:57:22.920 --> 1:57:23.240 Chilling it. 1:57:23.280 --> 1:57:25.240 And I remember listening to it my ears saying, I 1:57:25.240 --> 1:57:26.600 was like, let me hear, let me hear this, set 1:57:26.680 --> 1:57:30.720 up a cooler. I was like, I like the sound 1:57:30.720 --> 1:57:33.920 of that times a little progressive but still country. And 1:57:33.960 --> 1:57:34.960 I was like, I liked it. 1:57:35.120 --> 1:57:36.960 And I remember playing it and I know you. I 1:57:36.960 --> 1:57:39.160 would never met, I know, but I had heard. 1:57:39.280 --> 1:57:41.440 I remember my mom telling me that you were playing 1:57:41.440 --> 1:57:42.120 it like and that. 1:57:42.200 --> 1:57:44.280 Was and you texted me you said, my mom heard 1:57:44.320 --> 1:57:45.800 the song in the radio for the first I. 1:57:45.720 --> 1:57:47.000 Had to get you know, of course, you know, I 1:57:47.120 --> 1:57:49.040 just I was like, hey, some my label was like, 1:57:49.080 --> 1:57:51.040 can you get me Bobby Bones, and my mom's freaking 1:57:51.080 --> 1:57:52.080 out he played my song. 1:57:52.160 --> 1:57:54.120 I just want to thank you because at. 1:57:53.960 --> 1:57:55.760 That point, you know how to. I mean, somebody's got 1:57:55.760 --> 1:57:58.280 to give you a chance, and that you know, when 1:57:58.280 --> 1:58:00.640 you're a new artist and an artist, and I mean 1:58:00.760 --> 1:58:02.600 putting out a new song anything, you got to have 1:58:02.760 --> 1:58:06.080 people that believe in you. And I will never I 1:58:06.080 --> 1:58:07.800 will never forget that the people that you know, you 1:58:07.920 --> 1:58:10.760 met at the beginning that kind of gave you that shot. 1:58:10.800 --> 1:58:14.080 I mean, from from you to my label to the. 1:58:14.040 --> 1:58:17.920 Cooler cool big cooler, like CD is a cooler of 1:58:17.920 --> 1:58:19.600 the CD. I even listening to CD, I was like, 1:58:19.800 --> 1:58:21.440 he said, a big old cooler up here. 1:58:21.520 --> 1:58:22.840 What am I gonna do with it? Well, at least 1:58:22.880 --> 1:58:25.360 you like the song maybe better than the cooler sends cool. 1:58:26.760 --> 1:58:28.360 But I was like, well, let me let me listen 1:58:28.400 --> 1:58:30.200 to the download it and then yeah. 1:58:30.040 --> 1:58:30.880 I got my shame. 1:58:31.040 --> 1:58:32.200 Long time as a jam. 1:58:33.040 --> 1:58:34.040 That crowd's what started. 1:58:34.080 --> 1:58:35.880 And I watched you at Stage Coach this year. 1:58:35.960 --> 1:58:38.320 Oh well yeah, we played the same day I played 1:58:38.400 --> 1:58:39.080 we played before you. 1:58:39.080 --> 1:58:39.520 We don't worry. 1:58:39.520 --> 1:58:41.480 We're playing a peon times like we're playing like four 1:58:41.520 --> 1:58:44.160 you were playing at dark whatever, and I was watching 1:58:44.200 --> 1:58:46.840 you play the song and the whole crowd was still 1:58:46.920 --> 1:58:49.000 just they were singing their brains out to the song. 1:58:49.880 --> 1:58:51.880 And that was my first single. I think that is 1:58:52.440 --> 1:58:54.400 you know, people ask me buddies that are trying to 1:58:54.400 --> 1:58:56.400 get record deals or whatever, it's like, you know, what 1:58:56.560 --> 1:58:58.520 song should I you know, what's the first sing? 1:58:58.600 --> 1:58:59.000 And I don't. 1:58:59.280 --> 1:59:00.760 I don't know that as to that, but I just 1:59:00.800 --> 1:59:03.120 think that if any other song I've had since then 1:59:03.160 --> 1:59:05.360 would have been my first, it might not have broken 1:59:05.400 --> 1:59:07.160 me through there like that one did. And that's that's 1:59:07.160 --> 1:59:10.440 scary to think about. But that's, like I said, and 1:59:10.520 --> 1:59:13.080 that's why I love writing songs. I've always listened to music, 1:59:13.160 --> 1:59:15.800 and I think I'm a fan. I grew up a 1:59:15.840 --> 1:59:18.120 fan of music and I still am. And I think 1:59:18.480 --> 1:59:20.440 that's why I, you know, try to put myself on 1:59:20.480 --> 1:59:21.960 their shoes and what would I want to hear? What 1:59:22.000 --> 1:59:24.920 would you know? It's not always like that, but sometimes 1:59:24.960 --> 1:59:26.720 you got to think about you know, hey, I'm just 1:59:26.840 --> 1:59:29.560 like them too, So let's let's try to say some 1:59:29.600 --> 1:59:30.760 of it's fun, some of us sad. 1:59:30.840 --> 1:59:33.800 But I wonder let me wonder out loud for a second. 1:59:34.400 --> 1:59:37.480 I wonder because you put that song out and I 1:59:37.560 --> 1:59:38.800 was like, I like the song and it sounds a 1:59:38.800 --> 1:59:40.960 little different. I bet you you got some pushback for 1:59:41.000 --> 1:59:43.600 that song. Yeah, I bet you did. Yeah, And now 1:59:43.640 --> 1:59:45.320 it's just a song that there was a hit that 1:59:45.400 --> 1:59:47.360 gets played as what they call a recurrent and nobody 1:59:47.400 --> 1:59:49.960 thinks a thing about it. Oh yeah, in just four years, 1:59:50.720 --> 1:59:53.520 you've seen it change from WHOA, this is crazy. I 1:59:53.560 --> 1:59:55.440 bet you got some dad in't countries for that song. 1:59:55.440 --> 1:59:57.600 Oh yeah, which is crazy to think right now, right 1:59:57.880 --> 1:59:59.000 oh yeah, now yeah. 1:59:59.520 --> 2:00:02.560 But like I said, that's I guess that's always you know, 2:00:02.640 --> 2:00:04.760 it's always gonna be a whole thing. And and you, 2:00:04.920 --> 2:00:07.560 like you said, man I, that's the one thing about 2:00:07.560 --> 2:00:09.240 being in positions like we're in. 2:00:09.280 --> 2:00:10.520 It's like you're opening stuff. 2:00:10.600 --> 2:00:14.640 You're opening yourself up to just get you know, people 2:00:14.640 --> 2:00:17.680 that have you know, nothing other to do than just 2:00:18.120 --> 2:00:20.200 you know, talk trash or whatever it is. But that's 2:00:20.360 --> 2:00:22.360 you're gonna get pushed back about things. But I think 2:00:22.440 --> 2:00:25.360 those are always the things that mean you're you're breaking 2:00:25.360 --> 2:00:27.880 through and getting getting something done. And you know, not 2:00:27.920 --> 2:00:29.880 everybody's gonna like that's the toughest thing for me is 2:00:29.920 --> 2:00:31.640 I you know, I try to treat everybody how I 2:00:31.680 --> 2:00:33.840 want to be treated. But everybody's not gonna like your music. 2:00:33.840 --> 2:00:37.600 They're not gonna like every song. You're not gonna like me. Yeah, 2:00:37.600 --> 2:00:39.760 it's like what they don't even know us, you know, 2:00:39.840 --> 2:00:40.280 but it's. 2:00:40.320 --> 2:00:40.880 They don't know me. 2:00:40.920 --> 2:00:43.520 But you know, I uh, you got to understand that 2:00:43.520 --> 2:00:45.760 you're putting yourself in that position. And I tell you what, 2:00:45.840 --> 2:00:47.640 I think. We we got a lot more people that 2:00:47.680 --> 2:00:50.600 do like us than do and that's to me, the fans, 2:00:50.600 --> 2:00:51.800 I mean people that that's what you. 2:00:51.840 --> 2:00:52.520 Gotta focus on. 2:00:52.600 --> 2:00:54.520 And that let me wonder a lot again. 2:00:55.200 --> 2:00:55.640 I wonder. 2:00:55.800 --> 2:00:58.400 I wonder because something I've had to do in my life, 2:00:58.600 --> 2:01:01.600 especially in the last six months to a year, is 2:01:01.600 --> 2:01:04.120 if I get one hundred tweets, right, I'll zero in 2:01:04.160 --> 2:01:08.280 on that negative one, yeah. 2:01:07.320 --> 2:01:09.280 And I'll be like, everybody hates me and this person 2:01:09.360 --> 2:01:09.800 just rip me. 2:01:09.920 --> 2:01:12.680 But there are ninety nine positive tweets, and I would 2:01:12.680 --> 2:01:14.200 always focus in and it would make me go, oh, 2:01:14.200 --> 2:01:18.160 I'm so angry or I'm sad, or but what why 2:01:18.200 --> 2:01:20.640 do we do that We should really make an effort 2:01:20.920 --> 2:01:22.760 to appreciate those ninety nine. 2:01:23.320 --> 2:01:25.720 I'm not kidding. That is a great point, because you know, 2:01:25.800 --> 2:01:28.040 that's that's being honest. If somebody says that they don't, 2:01:28.080 --> 2:01:29.960 then I don't know. I guess they've got it figured out. 2:01:30.000 --> 2:01:32.360 But it's just it's tough to see that something that 2:01:32.440 --> 2:01:34.360 you know you love to do and you're doing you're 2:01:34.400 --> 2:01:37.400 you're not out there, you know, doing what. I don't know, 2:01:37.440 --> 2:01:39.480 you're doing the right that you're doing great things and 2:01:40.280 --> 2:01:42.240 trying to do the right thing, and people just no 2:01:42.280 --> 2:01:42.720 matter what. 2:01:42.640 --> 2:01:44.680 You just trying to do, just trying to do things. 2:01:44.720 --> 2:01:46.800 And they they're gonna, you know, they're not gonna like it. 2:01:46.800 --> 2:01:49.160 And we gotta focus on We gotta focus on the 2:01:49.240 --> 2:01:52.160 ninety nine I got yeah, gotta focus They play this song, 2:01:52.160 --> 2:01:55.760 talk about this one here. This is by Craig Campbell. Yeah, 2:01:56.240 --> 2:01:56.880 Craig singing here. 2:01:56.880 --> 2:01:58.920 This is the one that was my second thing. Yeah, 2:01:58.920 --> 2:02:01.880 that was my second single the country readio out there. 2:02:01.880 --> 2:02:04.720 Craig Campbell, great friend of mine, great friend of yours. 2:02:04.960 --> 2:02:07.320 The thing about Craig is that and the weird thing 2:02:07.320 --> 2:02:09.680 about this song, I believe it was a song as 2:02:09.720 --> 2:02:12.800 it was climbing. He gets dropped from his record label. 2:02:13.200 --> 2:02:14.440 Now dropped the record of folds. 2:02:14.480 --> 2:02:16.320 Yeah, you think the song was. 2:02:16.280 --> 2:02:19.520 Climbing hard es? Yes, And I remember sitting in a 2:02:19.560 --> 2:02:22.440 meeting with my boss's boss. We were in New York 2:02:22.720 --> 2:02:25.480 and Craig Campbell was our radio on the Bird artist YEP, 2:02:26.080 --> 2:02:28.200 and so loved the song and the song was just 2:02:28.600 --> 2:02:31.520 top ten and boom, his record label goes out, and 2:02:31.520 --> 2:02:34.120 we're like, what what do we do? So it's like, well, 2:02:34.440 --> 2:02:36.400 we're gonna keep charging with the song even though there's 2:02:36.440 --> 2:02:38.200 no record label and no promotion. And I think it 2:02:38.280 --> 2:02:39.640 ended up getting to like six or something. 2:02:39.760 --> 2:02:40.960 Yeah, that's huge. 2:02:41.000 --> 2:02:44.880 Yeah, that doesn't even happen. Then we were all flowering. 2:02:44.880 --> 2:02:46.720 Guess like, he's got a top ten song and now 2:02:46.760 --> 2:02:48.480 the record label folds and goes away. 2:02:48.520 --> 2:02:50.480 But just because that's never had, why can't it have? 2:02:50.600 --> 2:02:52.920 And that's what I love about, Like people that believe 2:02:52.960 --> 2:02:56.000 in a song, believe in music, and you, like I said, man, 2:02:56.000 --> 2:02:57.640 you can't really you don't know how to say thanks 2:02:57.680 --> 2:02:59.560 for this? And I know Craig appreciates that's probably is 2:02:59.600 --> 2:03:01.960 that when you is that when y'all met kind of yeah, 2:03:02.000 --> 2:03:04.960 then was it? But I know you've had Yeah, yeah, 2:03:05.320 --> 2:03:07.560 it's wed that. So you wrote this, Yeah, I wrote 2:03:07.560 --> 2:03:09.400 this one. So this is the one that as a 2:03:09.440 --> 2:03:11.640 writer on that scene that happened. And a good friend, 2:03:11.680 --> 2:03:13.160 I mean me and Craig and he used to play 2:03:13.160 --> 2:03:16.480 Broadway every Tuesday night at the stage. Me and himould 2:03:16.480 --> 2:03:19.040 go get sushi right onto Mumbery and right there. Every Tuesday. 2:03:19.040 --> 2:03:22.080 I'd be off the road from selling merch and he'd 2:03:22.080 --> 2:03:24.160 be playing the stage and would go down and I'd 2:03:24.160 --> 2:03:26.040 watch him sing all these songs that. 2:03:26.240 --> 2:03:28.320 He's crazy to do it, knowing every song. 2:03:28.160 --> 2:03:29.839 Every song, and I mean i'd sit there that wouldn't 2:03:29.880 --> 2:03:32.200 be you know that many people in there at the start. 2:03:32.280 --> 2:03:34.000 I mean they have like four hour sets down there. 2:03:34.000 --> 2:03:35.840 By the end it was full. But I'd be there 2:03:35.840 --> 2:03:39.280 from the beginning. I was his buddy and I always 2:03:39.320 --> 2:03:42.880 supported him. So to see you know, him record a 2:03:42.920 --> 2:03:44.640 song like that, knowing that he used to get me up. 2:03:44.640 --> 2:03:46.240 That was my only chance to really ever sing in 2:03:46.280 --> 2:03:48.840 town was during his sets. He'd get me up to sing, 2:03:49.240 --> 2:03:52.000 just some nineties country song or something, and you know, 2:03:52.080 --> 2:03:54.160 that's that was my moment of the week, you know, 2:03:54.200 --> 2:03:56.000 before I went back on the road to sell T shirts. 2:03:56.000 --> 2:03:57.520 So Craig has always been. 2:03:57.360 --> 2:03:59.360 Good to me and I look for hopefully one day, 2:04:00.240 --> 2:04:01.840 you know, we can do some shows together. I know 2:04:01.880 --> 2:04:03.960 he's out there, I think with Luke doing some stuff now, 2:04:04.000 --> 2:04:06.320 and like you said, you've you're a fan of his 2:04:06.480 --> 2:04:08.680 and I you know, I just I like to pull 2:04:08.800 --> 2:04:10.560 for good people and he's He's one of those. 2:04:10.720 --> 2:04:12.760 If you if your friend is an artist, so back 2:04:12.800 --> 2:04:14.280 when you before you were trying to be an artist, 2:04:14.280 --> 2:04:16.400 and you wrote something you use that was fantastic, would 2:04:16.400 --> 2:04:17.920 you go to your friends with it first and say, 2:04:17.920 --> 2:04:20.520 here's a song I think is really good. And is 2:04:20.600 --> 2:04:22.320 it awkward when they don't think it's really good? 2:04:22.520 --> 2:04:22.760 Yeah? 2:04:22.760 --> 2:04:25.960 I mean that is so so true. I mean yes, 2:04:26.040 --> 2:04:28.680 it's like, you know, I've had, you know, a couple 2:04:28.680 --> 2:04:31.120 of close friends. I mean, Luke obviously is one of them, 2:04:31.120 --> 2:04:33.800 but you know Thomas redd Or but he's a songwriter himself. 2:04:33.800 --> 2:04:35.920 So I'm trying to think, you know, me and fg 2:04:36.000 --> 2:04:39.120 O or boys, but it's hard to it's hard to 2:04:39.160 --> 2:04:42.640 think Dirk's now. But uh, I had to. You know, 2:04:42.680 --> 2:04:45.000 when you send the artist a song, you want them 2:04:45.000 --> 2:04:46.600 to love it, but it is awkward, like you if 2:04:47.000 --> 2:04:48.680 if they don't say anything back. Because now I'm on 2:04:48.680 --> 2:04:50.760 the other side of it, and I don't know what 2:04:50.800 --> 2:04:52.120 to do when I don't, like, you don't want to 2:04:52.120 --> 2:04:54.480 your body say you're sending you know what do you say? 2:04:54.480 --> 2:04:58.000 It's so it's like you don't I just if you 2:04:58.000 --> 2:04:58.360 made a song. 2:04:58.400 --> 2:05:00.160 Lets say I write a song. I'm like by my sitting. 2:05:00.360 --> 2:05:03.160 About to ask myself songwriters that are pitching me songs. 2:05:03.480 --> 2:05:05.080 This is something that gets talked about a lot here 2:05:05.320 --> 2:05:09.200 that and a lot of people say I believe someone 2:05:09.480 --> 2:05:11.120 like in the last week or so said they would 2:05:11.160 --> 2:05:14.440 get songs and they just don't reply. And that's kind 2:05:14.440 --> 2:05:20.080 of these Hey, I wasn't really feeling it without saying 2:05:20.080 --> 2:05:21.360 I wasn't really feeling it. 2:05:21.840 --> 2:05:24.480 That's so I'm laughing because I know I've done that before. 2:05:24.560 --> 2:05:28.120 But I know anybody listening, they just didn't reply. 2:05:28.360 --> 2:05:30.800 Do you remember who it was, Well. 2:05:33.120 --> 2:05:35.640 It was Nicole Guy, and that's somebody I'm looking forward 2:05:35.680 --> 2:05:39.240 to write. She's so I know I'm looking Nicole. I 2:05:39.280 --> 2:05:41.240 want to write with you, but we're gonna I know, 2:05:41.400 --> 2:05:43.760 we'll we'll try to work that out. But that is 2:05:43.920 --> 2:05:46.760 very true. I've done that before too, and you know, 2:05:46.800 --> 2:05:47.280 you try. 2:05:47.160 --> 2:05:50.480 To get to hers what it was. It's not Blake, 2:05:50.720 --> 2:05:52.680 that's what it was because her and Blake are friend. 2:05:52.840 --> 2:05:54.880 She was like, she'll send Blake songs and if Blake 2:05:54.920 --> 2:05:57.360 doesn't reply, that just means he wasn't feeling it. 2:05:57.360 --> 2:05:59.800 That's their universal language. I used to do that. 2:06:00.720 --> 2:06:02.280 Yeah, I've done that, and you're kind of like, well 2:06:02.360 --> 2:06:04.800 he hadn't replied by now, she hadn't replied by now. 2:06:05.120 --> 2:06:06.080 They don't like it, So. 2:06:06.240 --> 2:06:08.920 Didn't you send it to someone else if they haven't 2:06:08.920 --> 2:06:12.280 replied in how much time do you give them? 2:06:12.440 --> 2:06:12.640 You know? 2:06:12.640 --> 2:06:13.000 I don't know. 2:06:13.040 --> 2:06:14.720 These days, I don't think there is any I think 2:06:14.760 --> 2:06:16.600 they just send it and if you answer first, then 2:06:16.640 --> 2:06:19.160 it's good some people. But to me, I mean there 2:06:19.160 --> 2:06:23.360 were some times when you know, I remember like Roller 2:06:23.360 --> 2:06:25.800 Coaster when when Luke he had that on whole for 2:06:25.800 --> 2:06:27.520 a long time, and there were other artists that I 2:06:27.560 --> 2:06:31.000 remember a couple of artists you know, wanted it or 2:06:31.320 --> 2:06:33.360 their A and R people wanted it for them maybe, 2:06:33.400 --> 2:06:35.480 and Luke was like, you know, I want this song. 2:06:35.560 --> 2:06:38.320 He ended up recording it, you know, like after you know, 2:06:38.520 --> 2:06:40.160 you never know. I mean when you're holding a song, 2:06:40.200 --> 2:06:41.920 and especially now me knowing as an artist, I mean, 2:06:41.920 --> 2:06:44.760 you're taking a chance on if you don't record it. 2:06:44.800 --> 2:06:47.600 These writers are missing out on you know, other big 2:06:47.680 --> 2:06:48.720 artists recording the songs. 2:06:48.800 --> 2:06:49.520 So food. 2:06:49.560 --> 2:06:51.880 I mean, that's what and that's why I'm so glad 2:06:51.880 --> 2:06:54.600 I got to do the writing thing, and I still do. 2:06:54.680 --> 2:06:57.160 But come up that way because I want to write 2:06:57.200 --> 2:06:59.600 all my stuff, but I don't have have to. I know, 2:06:59.680 --> 2:07:02.640 I can't write every song because there's too many great 2:07:02.640 --> 2:07:05.040 songwriters here. And if they're gonna send me their best stuff, 2:07:05.080 --> 2:07:07.160 I mean, you know, I think that's how you support 2:07:07.240 --> 2:07:09.240 the indust I'm not going to record that just because 2:07:09.640 --> 2:07:11.640 of that reason. But I think there's so many great 2:07:11.680 --> 2:07:13.880 songs that, you know, we're lucky enough to build a 2:07:13.880 --> 2:07:15.800 record outside. I mean, I'd like to write them all, 2:07:15.840 --> 2:07:18.960 but I don't. I'm fortunate to have people sending me 2:07:19.000 --> 2:07:22.160 theirs now, and that's uh, I'm uh, that's a compliment. 2:07:22.240 --> 2:07:24.000 So let me ask you something about your boy Luke. 2:07:24.000 --> 2:07:25.840 Why is he falling down all the time we're talking 2:07:25.840 --> 2:07:28.040 about this today, like he jump on a beer cooler. 2:07:28.840 --> 2:07:31.280 It's just he's dangerous. I don't know, man, he's worth 2:07:31.320 --> 2:07:33.880 too much money to be jumping around. I know he's 2:07:33.880 --> 2:07:35.920 getting a lot of people depending on him out there 2:07:35.920 --> 2:07:38.440 to that's but he's got too many people to pay. 2:07:38.800 --> 2:07:40.919 I know he's I don't know, man, he's an entertainer, 2:07:40.960 --> 2:07:44.360 and that's that's something that I don't know. I literally 2:07:44.360 --> 2:07:47.360 though I think from being around it, I'm careful, but 2:07:47.480 --> 2:07:50.680 I have like anxiety about falling off this about your 2:07:50.680 --> 2:07:52.600 throat ill all of it, man. 2:07:52.480 --> 2:07:56.280 Because again, if you're not making money, the people that 2:07:56.360 --> 2:07:58.800 you have you're peging aren't making money. 2:07:58.960 --> 2:08:01.800 And that's that's and that's something that I never you know, 2:08:02.080 --> 2:08:04.040 you never think about those things when you're chasing a 2:08:04.120 --> 2:08:05.360 dream that you may get to. 2:08:05.320 --> 2:08:08.000 A level where you got a lot of. 2:08:07.920 --> 2:08:09.720 People behind you that are helping you on your team, 2:08:09.720 --> 2:08:12.000 and every little thing you do, every decision you make, 2:08:12.080 --> 2:08:16.080 every song you release, every whatever, it matters. But those 2:08:16.080 --> 2:08:18.880 people and there's people depending on you. And it's a 2:08:18.920 --> 2:08:21.160 good thing to have responsibility like that. But I don't 2:08:21.200 --> 2:08:24.200 think some people understand the pressure that we're, you know, 2:08:24.240 --> 2:08:28.000 put in in these situations. Anybody in the entertainment business 2:08:28.000 --> 2:08:30.880 I'm speaking of. So it's it's a different thing that 2:08:30.920 --> 2:08:33.920 I don't think some things they really realize that, hey, 2:08:33.960 --> 2:08:37.560 everything we're doing is affecting all of the people on 2:08:37.600 --> 2:08:38.000 our team. 2:08:38.120 --> 2:08:40.240 So let's go back to you moving to Nashalle. 2:08:40.280 --> 2:08:42.560 So what's it? 2:08:42.720 --> 2:08:46.280 How old are you? What's the thought? Did you always? 2:08:46.360 --> 2:08:48.400 I think just put me where you are? How old 2:08:48.440 --> 2:08:48.680 you were? 2:08:48.800 --> 2:08:53.800 See a lot of people I was leaving college. I 2:08:53.880 --> 2:08:55.920 left college. I mean I had like eighteen nineteen hours 2:08:56.000 --> 2:08:58.360 or a lot of people don't even don't know that, 2:08:58.480 --> 2:09:01.240 but you know, it was just something that I had 2:09:01.240 --> 2:09:03.920 to do. I was, I was playing shows and I 2:09:03.960 --> 2:09:05.920 had already just go. When I got to college, I didn't. 2:09:06.120 --> 2:09:08.919 I was undeclared major. I finally settled in on marketing 2:09:08.960 --> 2:09:10.560 and did got so close. 2:09:10.600 --> 2:09:12.320 But it was just it was. 2:09:12.280 --> 2:09:14.640 Time and I knew that I loved music, I knew 2:09:14.640 --> 2:09:16.520 what I wanted to do, and you know, I knew 2:09:16.560 --> 2:09:18.880 I had to get to Nashville. So I moved. I was, 2:09:19.280 --> 2:09:21.200 I think twenty three. It was August twenty thirds, my 2:09:21.280 --> 2:09:25.080 dad's birthday, two thousand and seven. So yeah, August twenty third, 2:09:25.120 --> 2:09:28.080 two thousand and seven, moved to Nashville. I remember broking 2:09:28.200 --> 2:09:30.920 my mom. She was clutely, I mean, just couldn't understand. 2:09:30.920 --> 2:09:32.760 She had never really even seen me play in bars 2:09:32.880 --> 2:09:34.920 or anything. Didn't really understand. She knew I loved music 2:09:34.960 --> 2:09:37.960 growing up, but it wasn't She had never really seen 2:09:38.080 --> 2:09:40.040 you know, me play and didn't get it, like some 2:09:40.080 --> 2:09:41.400 of my friends didn't. There was a lot of people 2:09:41.440 --> 2:09:42.960 that didn't get it thought I was crazy, and those 2:09:42.960 --> 2:09:44.680 are the people I think that ended up motivating you. 2:09:44.720 --> 2:09:48.800 But so I moved to Nashville and I just that was, 2:09:49.200 --> 2:09:50.360 you know, to write a song. I didn't know what 2:09:50.400 --> 2:09:51.920 I was going to do. I was in contact with Luke. 2:09:51.960 --> 2:09:54.720 I had his manager, Carrie, which ended up she's my 2:09:54.760 --> 2:09:58.440 manager now we you know that he needed a merchandise guy. 2:09:58.360 --> 2:10:00.560 That did you know Luke like what we met? 2:10:00.640 --> 2:10:00.800 Uh? 2:10:01.000 --> 2:10:01.080 He? 2:10:01.240 --> 2:10:04.440 You know, in college, I was in fraternity fraternity singing 2:10:04.520 --> 2:10:07.120 with Kay and he was there a few years earlier 2:10:07.120 --> 2:10:09.720 than me, same fraternity. He was in a band there 2:10:10.120 --> 2:10:11.880 while he was in college. And they had come back 2:10:11.920 --> 2:10:14.600 to do like a do a show that weekend and 2:10:14.680 --> 2:10:16.800 he just stops by and I knew his name and 2:10:17.040 --> 2:10:19.640 knew that he was pretty popular in the local, you know, 2:10:19.720 --> 2:10:23.080 coming through Statesboro. So he stopped to change his strings 2:10:23.400 --> 2:10:25.560 guitar strings for that night, and met him, and he 2:10:25.640 --> 2:10:27.640 sat down and said, can I care if I play 2:10:27.640 --> 2:10:30.120 on some stuff I wrote up in Nashville, and I 2:10:30.160 --> 2:10:32.320 was like, stuff you wrote, you know, I was at 2:10:32.360 --> 2:10:33.960 that time, I was singing cover songs and on I 2:10:33.960 --> 2:10:36.480 remember he played a song that he had written and 2:10:36.520 --> 2:10:38.880 it just blew my mind that he made that up 2:10:38.920 --> 2:10:40.720 and made me feel like that, you know, and I 2:10:40.760 --> 2:10:43.880 was like, wow, and that's really that was a big moment. 2:10:43.960 --> 2:10:47.440 And knowing that, man, some people are behind there's people 2:10:47.480 --> 2:10:49.360 that aren't singing this that are behind these songs right 2:10:49.440 --> 2:10:52.800 to men. I learned about who the songwriters were. And 2:10:52.880 --> 2:10:54.480 from then on, when i'd buy an album, I was 2:10:54.520 --> 2:10:56.640 looking at every single cut on the album that I 2:10:56.680 --> 2:10:58.560 loved that I thought maybe he should be on the 2:10:58.640 --> 2:11:01.800 radio and looking at the right and that, uh, that 2:11:01.960 --> 2:11:04.120 changed my whole view on song right. And then you know, 2:11:04.160 --> 2:11:07.280 it was always his demos he'd send me. But you know, 2:11:07.360 --> 2:11:10.520 then Eric Church's first album, Dirks Bentley's first album came out, 2:11:10.560 --> 2:11:12.680 and that was just those are the guys that were 2:11:12.680 --> 2:11:15.160 writing their own songs, and I just I don't know 2:11:15.200 --> 2:11:16.880 that changed me. I said, I wanted to you know, 2:11:16.880 --> 2:11:18.840 I knew I wasn't writing the songs I was singing, 2:11:18.840 --> 2:11:20.600 and I just wanted to be one one of the 2:11:20.600 --> 2:11:22.240 guys that made people feel the way I did. 2:11:22.280 --> 2:11:24.760 So, So two thousand and seven, you packed up? Where'd 2:11:24.800 --> 2:11:25.400 you pack up? 2:11:26.000 --> 2:11:28.160 I mean not a bed, nothing, my clothes. I had 2:11:28.160 --> 2:11:31.480 a guard you have. I had a ninety six Chevrolet 2:11:31.560 --> 2:11:36.080 trucks seventy one. That's that's truck. Eyed Well that was 2:11:36.160 --> 2:11:37.520 what I had when I was sixteen. So I had 2:11:37.520 --> 2:11:40.240 a just a black Chevrolet truck. So you loaded down, 2:11:40.280 --> 2:11:42.280 loaded down the trailer behind it, or just put all 2:11:43.000 --> 2:11:45.080 it was just all in the in the bed. Because 2:11:45.080 --> 2:11:47.680 I had a guy here that was from close to 2:11:47.720 --> 2:11:52.280 my town, Cliff Corps, that that had a house here 2:11:52.360 --> 2:11:54.040 that he was living in and they had a small 2:11:54.120 --> 2:11:56.880 extra room and he's like, man, there's a there's a bed, 2:11:56.920 --> 2:11:58.440 but you know you're not even have any room for 2:11:58.480 --> 2:12:00.880 any furniture anything. There's you have to put your computer 2:12:00.920 --> 2:12:02.880 in the closet. And I had to get a flat 2:12:02.880 --> 2:12:04.800 screen TV at that time, I mean they were common, 2:12:04.840 --> 2:12:06.040 but still that I had to hang it on the 2:12:06.080 --> 2:12:07.680 wall because it wouldn't even fit in front of the 2:12:07.720 --> 2:12:10.360 TV where you walked through. So I was never there, 2:12:10.400 --> 2:12:12.320 you know, I was on the road a lot. I 2:12:12.360 --> 2:12:14.840 got the merchant Nized job, so that was I didn't 2:12:14.840 --> 2:12:15.680 have to pack a whole lot. 2:12:15.720 --> 2:12:15.840 Man. 2:12:15.880 --> 2:12:17.720 I never when I moved up there, I didn't bring 2:12:17.720 --> 2:12:19.480 a bed or anything. It just I lived there for 2:12:19.520 --> 2:12:22.840 a while until I moved, you know, probably where I 2:12:22.920 --> 2:12:24.480 moved after a year, and then I lived there for 2:12:24.520 --> 2:12:25.240 about six years. 2:12:25.440 --> 2:12:26.000 So would you do? 2:12:26.040 --> 2:12:28.360 Did you write Monday through Thursday and then go out 2:12:28.360 --> 2:12:29.960 and sell merch for Luke on the weekend? 2:12:30.080 --> 2:12:31.360 And you know, I'd like to say I had it 2:12:31.400 --> 2:12:33.800 set up like that, but you know, at first, who 2:12:33.840 --> 2:12:36.000 do you write with? I mean, how I'm a merchandise? 2:12:36.320 --> 2:12:38.560 Nobody took me serious, and I think that had a 2:12:38.600 --> 2:12:40.080 lot to do with when I was first coming out, 2:12:40.120 --> 2:12:42.840 people weren't really sure if I you know, was like, 2:12:42.880 --> 2:12:45.440 who's this guy that just got off and got off 2:12:45.480 --> 2:12:49.680 the road? Still in teachers? But I think, uh, you know, 2:12:49.800 --> 2:12:52.680 I don't know how it happened like that. But to write, 2:12:53.200 --> 2:12:56.440 you know, every day, you can't do that without appointments, 2:12:56.480 --> 2:12:57.680 And to me, I had to meet people. So I 2:12:57.720 --> 2:12:59.320 had a couple buddies that i'd write with, and I 2:12:59.400 --> 2:13:01.480 might write twice a week if I could. But it's 2:13:01.520 --> 2:13:02.920 the more I did it, you know, I'd rite on 2:13:02.960 --> 2:13:05.040 the road when I could with Michael, but just thinking 2:13:05.080 --> 2:13:07.600 about and just knowing that, Man, I'm not there yet. 2:13:07.640 --> 2:13:09.160 I'm not there yet. I mean, I can't wait till 2:13:09.160 --> 2:13:10.680 one day get in the room with some of these 2:13:10.720 --> 2:13:13.320 guys and I can learn. And but I'm glad I didn't. 2:13:13.360 --> 2:13:15.120 I'm glad I had to learn by myself with the 2:13:15.120 --> 2:13:16.920 guys that were on my level. And I think that's 2:13:17.000 --> 2:13:19.720 how you that's how you grow, and it's you know, 2:13:19.920 --> 2:13:22.240 I wrote when I could, but the more I did, 2:13:22.280 --> 2:13:23.920 the more I you know, I think you got the 2:13:23.960 --> 2:13:25.760 feel of it. And it was just a dignity that 2:13:26.080 --> 2:13:28.680 feeling I used to have on stage of entertaining and 2:13:28.720 --> 2:13:29.760 watching people have fun. 2:13:30.440 --> 2:13:31.080 Now it was. 2:13:31.080 --> 2:13:33.080 Coming up with that line or what I thought was 2:13:33.120 --> 2:13:35.320 good and that feeling. It just took over. And so 2:13:35.760 --> 2:13:38.480 songwriting was my new love at that point. 2:13:39.080 --> 2:13:42.840 So when you were selling for Luke, did he know 2:13:43.000 --> 2:13:44.960 you wanted to be an artist? And is that a 2:13:44.960 --> 2:13:47.360 weird dynamic because of that? 2:13:47.880 --> 2:13:49.760 Yeah, I mean I don't think, you know, he knew 2:13:49.800 --> 2:13:52.400 that I was interesting, use he knew I loved music 2:13:52.440 --> 2:13:54.640 and I wanted to be a songwriter. And I think 2:13:54.680 --> 2:13:57.040 he you know, that was his way of saying, hey, well, 2:13:57.160 --> 2:13:59.560 you know, come out here and see what goes on 2:13:59.640 --> 2:14:02.680 and kind. It wasn't a really long term plan, but 2:14:02.720 --> 2:14:05.040 it was something I went out one weekend and ended 2:14:05.120 --> 2:14:07.640 up being at for like three years. But you know, 2:14:07.720 --> 2:14:09.640 that's not what I moved to do. But it gave 2:14:09.640 --> 2:14:11.920 me an opportunity to just be around the business and 2:14:11.960 --> 2:14:14.120 be around radio and see how a new artist. I 2:14:14.120 --> 2:14:16.920 mean see, I'd always thought Luke was the big star 2:14:17.040 --> 2:14:18.600 back that he is now, but it just, you know, 2:14:18.640 --> 2:14:21.320 it took a little bit for everything to catch on, 2:14:21.480 --> 2:14:23.720 but for me to see how he did things, how 2:14:23.760 --> 2:14:27.080 he treated people, you know, his team, It just think 2:14:27.120 --> 2:14:28.760 it helped me when I finally got my chance. I 2:14:28.760 --> 2:14:30.920 felt like I had been around it. I'd seen the 2:14:30.920 --> 2:14:34.120 good and the bad of the business. I'd seen singles taught, 2:14:34.160 --> 2:14:36.640 the charts i'd seen. I saw me and him both 2:14:36.720 --> 2:14:39.600 loved you know, Die thirty seven, and it just, you know, 2:14:39.680 --> 2:14:42.000 things like that I had going through that with a 2:14:42.040 --> 2:14:44.520 friend and then finally getting your chance like I do now. 2:14:44.560 --> 2:14:47.880 I mean, I obviously can't thank him enough, but I think, 2:14:48.720 --> 2:14:50.280 you know, things like that make you want to get 2:14:50.280 --> 2:14:52.560 to a point where you can give back and help people, 2:14:52.560 --> 2:14:56.880 because he certainly you know, put his name out there, 2:14:56.880 --> 2:14:58.720 and I've tried to. 2:14:58.720 --> 2:14:59.120 Do the best. 2:14:59.160 --> 2:15:00.080 I can write the best. 2:15:00.400 --> 2:15:02.200 And you know, make a name for myself. 2:15:02.280 --> 2:15:04.840 Talking about the hat because everybody thinks it means Cole 2:15:04.880 --> 2:15:08.280 Swindell and it doesn't. But tell me about the hat 2:15:08.360 --> 2:15:10.280 and why you wear that hat all the time. Could 2:15:10.280 --> 2:15:11.240 you not make any money off the hat? 2:15:11.280 --> 2:15:11.640 Are you? 2:15:11.680 --> 2:15:12.240 No? 2:15:12.240 --> 2:15:15.120 No, I don't, I don't know. I'm just obviously a 2:15:15.200 --> 2:15:17.560 hat guy is kind of kind of my thing. And 2:15:17.880 --> 2:15:21.680 the Georgia Southern thing, it just I remember when I 2:15:21.720 --> 2:15:23.400 went out and did some of my first shows when 2:15:23.440 --> 2:15:24.960 I got my band and I was gonna try to 2:15:24.960 --> 2:15:27.240 start getting a record deal. You know, I had a 2:15:27.360 --> 2:15:29.760 Georgia Southern baseball hat, one of the new ones, and 2:15:29.800 --> 2:15:31.960 I was like, I'm just gonna rock this, and we 2:15:32.080 --> 2:15:34.680 ended up out on a big tour and the just 2:15:34.720 --> 2:15:36.800 pictures on the internet, you know, like coming out there, 2:15:36.800 --> 2:15:40.080 like who's this guy wearing the Georgia Southern people, you know, 2:15:40.160 --> 2:15:42.080 we're noticing that. I saw a lot of alumni that 2:15:42.800 --> 2:15:45.160 were like, this guy's repping our college, you know. And 2:15:45.200 --> 2:15:47.840 I went to school there for six years and our 2:15:47.920 --> 2:15:50.720 five five years something, and you know it's where I 2:15:50.760 --> 2:15:52.280 got my start, and it just kind of I don't know. 2:15:52.320 --> 2:15:55.480 I like to to be loyal to where I come from, 2:15:55.520 --> 2:15:57.360 and it just kind of stuck with me. And then 2:15:57.520 --> 2:16:00.320 people think it means I know, I don't know house 2:16:00.360 --> 2:16:02.560 because it looks like a C. I understand that. But 2:16:02.640 --> 2:16:04.520 if you look it is a it's obviously, but I 2:16:04.560 --> 2:16:07.080 can understand it. So maybe, look, you've got all kind 2:16:07.080 --> 2:16:08.840 of cool hats, so maybe we can just design me 2:16:08.880 --> 2:16:10.760 a new And I don't know, I don't do you 2:16:10.760 --> 2:16:13.360 even want that? No, I mean a lot of people 2:16:13.400 --> 2:16:15.120 think it's my initials. 2:16:15.120 --> 2:16:17.520 But what if you don't make any money off that 2:16:17.560 --> 2:16:18.360 Georgia Southern hat. 2:16:18.520 --> 2:16:20.920 No, I just I just think it's something that nobody 2:16:20.920 --> 2:16:22.600 knows to Georgia southing. And I get a chance to 2:16:22.640 --> 2:16:26.040 represent my college where my family we all, I mean everybody. 2:16:26.040 --> 2:16:28.560 I think everybody graduated with me from there, but everybody 2:16:28.640 --> 2:16:30.040 went there, and it's just I don't know. 2:16:30.080 --> 2:16:30.560 I love that. 2:16:30.520 --> 2:16:32.880 Schooling and commendable look out the state of Arkansas attitude 2:16:32.879 --> 2:16:35.959 to my body. I love representing home. I don't always wondered. 2:16:35.800 --> 2:16:38.000 I got you. Yeah, well you know I appreciate do 2:16:38.040 --> 2:16:41.000 you sell Georgia's other hats at your shows. No, they 2:16:41.080 --> 2:16:43.280 have them in the bookstore like at the college. So 2:16:43.320 --> 2:16:45.560 it's like, I mean, they had a graph of the 2:16:45.600 --> 2:16:47.959 sales of baseball hats before I started wearing it now 2:16:47.959 --> 2:16:49.240 and it's pretty it's pretty funny. 2:16:49.280 --> 2:16:51.560 But to me, it's the col merch booth of the college. 2:16:51.560 --> 2:16:53.080 I mean, I know, but I make I mean, you know, 2:16:53.120 --> 2:16:55.480 I have my own line of merch down there at 2:16:55.480 --> 2:16:58.240 Georgia Southern now, so it's I don't know, I mean, 2:16:58.240 --> 2:17:00.200 they don't do anything like the baseball hats, but it's 2:17:00.200 --> 2:17:02.560 still I mean, just to be tied in when I 2:17:02.640 --> 2:17:04.240 used to be a kid in that bookstore. Now I 2:17:04.240 --> 2:17:07.120 have stuff in there. But it's it's pretty wild to 2:17:07.600 --> 2:17:10.000 think about that. But there, I know they're proud of me, 2:17:10.080 --> 2:17:13.280 and I'm proud to represent them. So I'm glad, glad 2:17:13.360 --> 2:17:15.320 you uh know, proud of where you come from. 2:17:15.440 --> 2:17:17.200 I mean, I know this story. I just wanted you 2:17:17.240 --> 2:17:19.320 to say any because a lot of people don't know. 2:17:19.560 --> 2:17:20.879 I well, thank you, and this is a lot of 2:17:20.879 --> 2:17:23.360 people listening and this is my only way. And that's 2:17:23.360 --> 2:17:25.720 funny about people tweeting and stuff like when I get 2:17:25.840 --> 2:17:28.240 you know, a couple of TV moments here and there. 2:17:28.240 --> 2:17:30.200 But when I do, that's like the meanest thing. It's like, 2:17:31.160 --> 2:17:33.120 why does this guy think he can just wear his 2:17:33.160 --> 2:17:35.800 initial And it's like, well, okay, I mean that's not 2:17:35.920 --> 2:17:38.200 that worst thing. I guess I can. I can deal 2:17:38.240 --> 2:17:40.600 with that, but uh yeah, well who knows, Maybe I'll 2:17:40.680 --> 2:17:42.480 change it someday. 2:17:43.720 --> 2:17:45.840 Here's Thomas Rhett talking about what it was like growing 2:17:45.920 --> 2:17:48.480 up with a famous dad and talking about writing songs 2:17:48.480 --> 2:17:50.400 for other artists and how he felt like he had 2:17:50.400 --> 2:17:53.920 to prove to people that he was country. It's kind 2:17:53.920 --> 2:17:55.480 of wild too, Like your kids are going to grow 2:17:55.560 --> 2:17:58.200 up in an environment of knowing terrifies me all the 2:17:59.000 --> 2:18:02.640 like all the Country Star La New York yep, Like 2:18:02.680 --> 2:18:06.000 they're gonna have I say different. But I mean you 2:18:06.040 --> 2:18:08.480 grew up knowing some of these guys, Like yeah, when 2:18:08.480 --> 2:18:11.000 you grew up in Nashville. Ye, Like did you know McGraw? 2:18:11.280 --> 2:18:13.640 I did from an early age. 2:18:13.920 --> 2:18:15.880 Yeah, I mean not so much McGraw. I mean I 2:18:16.000 --> 2:18:18.240 met MacGraw when I was nine. I met Garth when 2:18:18.240 --> 2:18:21.160 I was like eight or nine years old. We spent 2:18:21.240 --> 2:18:24.279 like a couple of halloweens over at Reba's house, mostly 2:18:24.280 --> 2:18:26.320 people that dad toured with. I knew pretty well Blake 2:18:26.360 --> 2:18:28.320 Shelton when he is back in his younger in his 2:18:28.360 --> 2:18:31.240 younger days, not saying that you're old, Blake, you're younger. 2:18:31.240 --> 2:18:33.920 Then he's a big fan. He'll for sure he this, Yeah, 2:18:33.920 --> 2:18:34.600 for sure. 2:18:35.920 --> 2:18:38.440 But uh yeah, man, I definitely grew up in that environment. 2:18:38.480 --> 2:18:39.080 But it was so different. 2:18:39.080 --> 2:18:41.160 Social media didn't exist then, you know what I mean, 2:18:41.200 --> 2:18:42.960 Like if if there was an artist that did something 2:18:43.000 --> 2:18:44.640 that was worth talking about, it was in the newspaper. 2:18:45.560 --> 2:18:48.000 Just so different now, like if something happens this immediately 2:18:48.640 --> 2:18:49.879 for anyone in the world to see. 2:18:50.000 --> 2:18:51.600 Do you and Lauren have the talks about the kids 2:18:51.600 --> 2:18:54.160 on Instagram and the kids on Twitter and like give rules? 2:18:54.280 --> 2:18:55.920 We talk about it daily, man, And we get asked 2:18:55.959 --> 2:18:57.800 that question quite a bit, like what is the balance? 2:18:57.840 --> 2:18:59.560 And I think we're still trying to figure it out. 2:18:59.600 --> 2:19:01.680 But I think through it all, me and Laurena are 2:19:01.720 --> 2:19:04.640 still trying to be super real to how we like 2:19:04.680 --> 2:19:06.600 to live life. And ever since we got married. We're 2:19:06.600 --> 2:19:09.320 both twenty two and we got married, and my fans 2:19:09.320 --> 2:19:10.800 have known that I was married. Since I was married, 2:19:10.959 --> 2:19:12.680 there was no ever trying to be like, hey, I'm 2:19:12.680 --> 2:19:15.360 still the single dude, you know what I'm saying, Because 2:19:15.360 --> 2:19:17.960 I think in a lot of formats it's like, well, 2:19:17.959 --> 2:19:19.480 you want to be accessible and you want to be 2:19:19.520 --> 2:19:22.200 the single guy because they think that it drives more 2:19:22.240 --> 2:19:24.440 fans your way. But that's never something that I really 2:19:24.520 --> 2:19:26.800 believed in. And so Lauren has been such a huge 2:19:26.840 --> 2:19:28.920 part of my social media platform that like, when our 2:19:28.959 --> 2:19:31.080 kids got here, it was like, yeah, there's a lot 2:19:31.120 --> 2:19:33.160 of things that are too personal that we're definitely going 2:19:33.200 --> 2:19:35.720 to save for our own family group text and our 2:19:35.760 --> 2:19:39.920 private Instagram pages and stuff. But like, I mean, you know, 2:19:39.920 --> 2:19:42.880 we're a family of two kids, and we're gonna project that, 2:19:42.920 --> 2:19:45.560 you know what I'm saying, And so there's a lot 2:19:45.560 --> 2:19:47.240 of people that are like, well, maybe that's not protective 2:19:47.240 --> 2:19:49.160 of your kids, and it's just like, well, the part 2:19:49.200 --> 2:19:51.280 of our lives and we've always been super transparent and 2:19:51.320 --> 2:19:53.880 we've always kind of told whatever's on our sleeve is 2:19:53.879 --> 2:19:55.880 going to be kind of on Instagram, and we're pretty 2:19:55.920 --> 2:19:57.640 real about the stuff that we deal with and the 2:19:57.640 --> 2:20:00.879 stuff that we struggle with. I just think it's I 2:20:00.879 --> 2:20:02.360 just think more so than anything, it's more of a, 2:20:02.440 --> 2:20:04.440 like you said, a positive influence to other families that 2:20:04.480 --> 2:20:06.240 have kids and just realize that every day is not 2:20:06.400 --> 2:20:07.400 rainbows and butterflies. 2:20:08.200 --> 2:20:11.879 And also, nobody's wrong, right, I mean, I think that's 2:20:11.879 --> 2:20:15.480 a thing to understand too. Is that because somebody disagrees 2:20:16.160 --> 2:20:18.680 that you put your kids on Instagram? Yeah, and because 2:20:18.720 --> 2:20:21.160 maybe they don't, they're not right or wrong exactly right 2:20:21.240 --> 2:20:23.640 or wrong. There are much like music, there are just 2:20:23.680 --> 2:20:24.760 different ways to do yeah. 2:20:25.080 --> 2:20:27.480 Yeah, and it doesn't make you right or wrong. 2:20:27.760 --> 2:20:29.800 You can be different, yes, and you don't have to 2:20:29.800 --> 2:20:32.680 hate somebody that's different exactly. But we're in that climate 2:20:32.959 --> 2:20:35.840 where it's like so it be a climate, political climate, 2:20:35.840 --> 2:20:36.920 it's all all the time. 2:20:37.040 --> 2:20:38.280 It is so frustrating to me. 2:20:38.480 --> 2:20:40.520 Probably one of the biggest frustrating factors in my life 2:20:40.560 --> 2:20:43.400 of the last five years have been Instagram or Twitter 2:20:43.560 --> 2:20:44.000 or whatever. 2:20:44.320 --> 2:20:48.040 And it's funny because Instagram is a big part of 2:20:48.040 --> 2:20:50.640 your successful career too, yet it's still one of the 2:20:50.640 --> 2:20:51.920 most frustrating parts of it as well. 2:20:52.000 --> 2:20:52.200 Yeah. 2:20:52.200 --> 2:20:54.879 It's such a blessing and a curse, you know, because 2:20:54.920 --> 2:20:56.560 all you want to do is use your Instagram for 2:20:56.680 --> 2:21:01.360 a platform and use it to just promote positivity and 2:21:01.400 --> 2:21:03.840 love and peace and all these things. But it's just like, 2:21:04.400 --> 2:21:06.720 it doesn't matter what you or I post, there's going 2:21:06.800 --> 2:21:08.040 to be something ridiculous on there. 2:21:08.040 --> 2:21:08.520 I posted a. 2:21:08.480 --> 2:21:11.320 Picture yesterday or video yesterday just of saying, like what 2:21:11.360 --> 2:21:13.720 my new single is going to be? The first comment 2:21:13.760 --> 2:21:16.480 was shave your beard? You know what I'm saying. I'm like, 2:21:17.200 --> 2:21:19.920 first of all, what do you? 2:21:20.000 --> 2:21:21.240 What are you doing in your life? 2:21:21.320 --> 2:21:23.360 You have time to just say that to me. You 2:21:23.360 --> 2:21:25.160 know what I'm saying, like or like, hey, bend the 2:21:25.160 --> 2:21:26.000 bill of your hat. 2:21:28.000 --> 2:21:30.280 But okay, let me play Devil's advocate because I agree, 2:21:30.280 --> 2:21:30.840 what a dumb thing. 2:21:31.000 --> 2:21:33.360 But you remember that, like, right, That's what I'm saying. 2:21:33.400 --> 2:21:36.080 I'm giving that person they got noticed. 2:21:36.760 --> 2:21:39.000 On your next Instagram, I'm gonna write, hey, been the 2:21:39.000 --> 2:21:39.560 bill of your hat? 2:21:39.640 --> 2:21:41.720 Right, and I'll remember that some likes I know. 2:21:41.680 --> 2:21:44.840 It on that what's frustrating for me And I don't know, 2:21:45.840 --> 2:21:48.240 and I'm not speaking for you, but I know watching 2:21:48.280 --> 2:21:50.000 you and I'm a big fan of how you. 2:21:49.920 --> 2:21:50.760 Do your music. 2:21:50.959 --> 2:21:54.879 Thanks You're you're pretty unapologetic about this is my style? 2:21:55.000 --> 2:21:58.400 Sure, like this is me and okay, you can get 2:21:58.400 --> 2:21:59.959 a feeling as mutual man, so you can get all 2:22:00.160 --> 2:22:01.440 you can get off the ride. But I'm just gonna 2:22:01.440 --> 2:22:01.920 do what I do. 2:22:02.040 --> 2:22:05.879 Yeah, And I know that for me to watch at 2:22:05.920 --> 2:22:08.240 times some of what to call it the old guard 2:22:08.360 --> 2:22:09.720 or to go that's. 2:22:09.560 --> 2:22:12.879 That guy is not country. Yeah, that frustrates me. 2:22:13.000 --> 2:22:15.320 For you, I don't know how you feel about that, 2:22:15.360 --> 2:22:17.360 but that for me, I'm like, God, if you guys 2:22:17.360 --> 2:22:19.560 even just knew like that, dude, as a country. 2:22:19.240 --> 2:22:23.720 As can be, right, Yeah, man, yeah, I mean that that. 2:22:23.720 --> 2:22:25.760 That's been my life as a country artists, not necessarily 2:22:25.800 --> 2:22:27.959 in the beginning, but I'll say on my second record, 2:22:28.000 --> 2:22:31.680 when I started to like lean way more just progressive 2:22:31.680 --> 2:22:34.480 as far as production goes, and started to take my 2:22:34.520 --> 2:22:37.400 singing a whole lot more seriously and doing vocal lessons 2:22:37.440 --> 2:22:39.000 and all this stuff, trying to just make my record 2:22:39.120 --> 2:22:42.360 sound like something that wasn't happening in our genre. Dude, 2:22:42.400 --> 2:22:45.600 I have gotten more comments of you are not country 2:22:45.720 --> 2:22:48.200 or you are ruining the face of our genre. Might 2:22:48.200 --> 2:22:50.320 as well quit now, Like I mean, if I could mean, 2:22:50.320 --> 2:22:52.280 there's I mean, I'm sure that you've had some of 2:22:52.280 --> 2:22:55.640 those similar comments, but it's just like it in the 2:22:55.640 --> 2:22:57.320 beginning of the of those days, it was just like, 2:22:57.360 --> 2:22:59.600 you know what, maybe they're right, you know, what I mean, like, 2:22:59.640 --> 2:23:03.080 and I think that's the poor four in my enneagram going, 2:23:03.080 --> 2:23:06.080 They're right, I suck. I'm defeated. It's better for me 2:23:06.120 --> 2:23:09.040 to quit for the whole world than they. 2:23:09.040 --> 2:23:10.600 You're gonna take one for the world the team, I'm 2:23:10.600 --> 2:23:11.760 gonna take one for the world. 2:23:12.000 --> 2:23:15.080 Yeah, but really I'm taking one for like sixty people. Yeah, 2:23:15.120 --> 2:23:15.680 you know what I'm saying. 2:23:15.920 --> 2:23:17.240 A small vocal. 2:23:17.000 --> 2:23:19.280 My very small vocal minority. And the more I thought 2:23:19.280 --> 2:23:22.560 about it, I was like, you're not country. You're not country? Okay, 2:23:22.640 --> 2:23:26.040 Why why am I not country? Well, you don't wear 2:23:26.120 --> 2:23:30.000 cowboy boots on stage? Okay, let me mentally go through that. 2:23:30.320 --> 2:23:32.320 The reason I don't wear cowboy boots on stage is 2:23:32.320 --> 2:23:34.240 because I jump up and down like a crazy person. 2:23:34.720 --> 2:23:37.120 And on the Aldean tour in twenty thirteen, his thrust 2:23:37.240 --> 2:23:40.080 was this metal grating material and I was wearing snip 2:23:40.080 --> 2:23:42.480 toed cowboy boots and got stuck in them every night. 2:23:42.760 --> 2:23:44.640 That's the reason I don't work cawboy boots on stage. 2:23:44.640 --> 2:23:47.959 Does that make me not country? I think, no, you're 2:23:48.000 --> 2:23:50.960 not country because your music doesn't a fiddle in it. 2:23:52.240 --> 2:23:54.520 I would say ninety eight percent of songs on country radio, 2:23:54.560 --> 2:23:57.039 don't have a fiddle in it. There's another one, you 2:23:57.040 --> 2:23:58.560 know what I'm saying, And so you just have to 2:23:58.600 --> 2:24:01.880 like do this self check. I think through therapy and 2:24:02.040 --> 2:24:04.080 you know, through talking with my wife and talking to 2:24:04.080 --> 2:24:05.680 people that I trust about it. It's just like, dude, 2:24:06.000 --> 2:24:07.560 at the end of the day, is country music not 2:24:07.640 --> 2:24:09.920 about being yourself? And his country music not about telling 2:24:09.959 --> 2:24:11.800 the truth in a story? Do I do both those things? 2:24:11.879 --> 2:24:15.039 Yes? Do I dress a little different? Yes? Are some 2:24:15.080 --> 2:24:18.160 of my songs more progressive than some things on country radio. Yes, 2:24:18.800 --> 2:24:19.400 I'm allowed to. 2:24:19.400 --> 2:24:22.520 Explore my outlets, you know what I'm saying. Like you 2:24:22.560 --> 2:24:24.960 look back at any and we I think we've had 2:24:25.000 --> 2:24:27.640 this conversation before. But when Merle Haggard and Willie Nelson, 2:24:27.640 --> 2:24:30.640 all these dudes came out, they were called outlaws. 2:24:30.120 --> 2:24:30.720 For a reason. 2:24:31.360 --> 2:24:32.960 An outlaw is not just a term that you used 2:24:32.959 --> 2:24:36.000 to describe country music today. It is every twenty years 2:24:36.000 --> 2:24:37.480 we look back at the artists twenty years ago and 2:24:37.520 --> 2:24:39.760 say that was real country music. You know what I'm saying. 2:24:39.840 --> 2:24:42.039 We say Shanaia Twain is real country music. At the time, 2:24:42.240 --> 2:24:44.520 she was a pop singer. They told her on Instagram 2:24:44.520 --> 2:24:45.600 shave or beard she was. 2:24:47.440 --> 2:24:49.000 I was talking to Garth and he said to say, 2:24:49.080 --> 2:24:50.680 you know, that's my favorite one to share with people 2:24:50.680 --> 2:24:53.840 who go, uh, it's Garth thrial country. Garth was like, dude, 2:24:53.879 --> 2:24:56.039 country music did not embrace me. No, he was like, 2:24:56.080 --> 2:24:58.960 they were antis. I came to town and they were like, 2:24:58.959 --> 2:25:00.600 you're not country. Get out of here, like what are you? 2:25:01.240 --> 2:25:03.000 And you can go through and you can go back. 2:25:03.040 --> 2:25:05.520 And you mentioned some of those guys, but everyone that 2:25:05.560 --> 2:25:09.200 has changed the music for the better, because they're the 2:25:09.200 --> 2:25:11.840 ones who we remember as being successful, has been not 2:25:12.080 --> 2:25:13.240 country exactly. 2:25:13.640 --> 2:25:16.200 And in any genre people hated and people hated the 2:25:16.360 --> 2:25:18.400 land because they weren't the Beatles in any art, in 2:25:18.480 --> 2:25:21.480 any not even just music, in any art whatsoever. 2:25:21.600 --> 2:25:25.600 You can look at comedy or visual art, just whatever. 2:25:25.879 --> 2:25:28.039 People that break the mold and are not get the 2:25:28.040 --> 2:25:30.160 finger like you're not this are the ones that create 2:25:30.240 --> 2:25:33.800 the new this exactly. And so that's always what's frustrated 2:25:33.840 --> 2:25:36.959 me for you, and partially too, I think selfishly, when 2:25:36.959 --> 2:25:40.320 I came to town, it was hey, you're not country, 2:25:40.440 --> 2:25:43.320 and I'm going m I grew up a mountain pine 2:25:43.360 --> 2:25:47.800 arch and like, I live in a trailer, Like what 2:25:48.720 --> 2:25:51.000 animal do you want me to clean because I can 2:25:51.320 --> 2:25:54.640 any of them. And I started to think, what makes 2:25:54.680 --> 2:25:57.440 me not have an accent? What makes me not a country? 2:25:57.959 --> 2:26:00.560 Was it because I was doing it popping hip hop 2:26:00.600 --> 2:26:01.920 for a while, because that was where I got my 2:26:01.959 --> 2:26:04.600 first job? I said, because I come on and I 2:26:04.640 --> 2:26:06.840 just tell my truth all the time. I'm very authentic 2:26:06.840 --> 2:26:09.120 about my message. Absolutely, And CBS did a story like 2:26:09.120 --> 2:26:11.160 he doesn't wear cowboy boots or a cowboy hat. 2:26:11.400 --> 2:26:16.000 He's he's the renegade, Like, isn't country? Just tell him 2:26:16.000 --> 2:26:17.800 the truth? Yeah, you don't have to be from the South. 2:26:17.879 --> 2:26:19.920 I am you are, so we kind of get that 2:26:19.959 --> 2:26:21.920 little nickel that we can defend. 2:26:22.120 --> 2:26:26.040 Yeah, but there's more seen more country folks in New York, 2:26:26.160 --> 2:26:28.160 upstate New York. I was about to say, I was 2:26:28.240 --> 2:26:30.160 just up there and it was country as crap, or 2:26:30.200 --> 2:26:32.320 like right outside of DC, like northern Virginia. 2:26:32.440 --> 2:26:32.600 Yep. 2:26:33.280 --> 2:26:35.199 So like, I feel your pain. 2:26:35.360 --> 2:26:37.400 And sometimes when I see people write stuff, I'm like, 2:26:38.160 --> 2:26:39.880 you know what, First of all, who cares? But second 2:26:39.920 --> 2:26:42.520 of all, I go I know, as a creator, after 2:26:42.560 --> 2:26:44.560 a while, it starts to go, oh, it just gets 2:26:44.560 --> 2:26:45.920 to be a weight that you almost don't like to 2:26:45.920 --> 2:26:49.400 acknowledge because you're giving them power for sure, but it's real. 2:26:49.680 --> 2:26:51.360 But it also makes me better to Yeah. 2:26:51.360 --> 2:26:54.720 Absolutely, it's honestly that that's the one area in my 2:26:54.800 --> 2:26:56.720 life that's has taken a lot of growing. But like 2:26:56.760 --> 2:26:59.240 you said, like when I do get those comments, it 2:26:59.280 --> 2:27:02.760 fuels my fire. It used to suck my life away, 2:27:02.840 --> 2:27:04.199 and now now it fuels my fire. 2:27:04.879 --> 2:27:07.400 Your dad's country, he was here. My dad is country. 2:27:07.440 --> 2:27:10.320 Your dad is No one's gonna see your dad and 2:27:10.360 --> 2:27:12.359 go that game country. 2:27:12.680 --> 2:27:13.040 Yeah. 2:27:13.120 --> 2:27:15.440 Oh and that's that's my face. That's my favorite comment 2:27:15.440 --> 2:27:18.440 I've ever gotten. Your daddy must be so ashamed. Oh 2:27:18.480 --> 2:27:21.560 people say that. Oh yeah, for about a year there. 2:27:21.480 --> 2:27:22.039 That that was. 2:27:22.120 --> 2:27:24.400 That was the special comment. Your daddy is ashamed of you? 2:27:24.879 --> 2:27:27.320 And I was like, I don't think I don't think 2:27:27.320 --> 2:27:31.720 he is. Well, what, like, what a rotten thing, that's 2:27:31.760 --> 2:27:32.200 what I'm saying. 2:27:32.480 --> 2:27:34.680 That that's a rotten thing to write, right, even for 2:27:34.800 --> 2:27:37.160 trolls exactly, Like I lost a little faith in all 2:27:37.160 --> 2:27:38.879 trolls that they actually write that, and I know it 2:27:38.879 --> 2:27:40.320 already didn't have a good opinion of them. 2:27:40.640 --> 2:27:42.960 So what is it? What's the relationship between and your dad? Now, 2:27:43.360 --> 2:27:44.560 it's amazing dude. 2:27:44.280 --> 2:27:45.680 Yeah, me and me and dad have gone through a 2:27:45.680 --> 2:27:48.920 bunch of seasons in our life, uh, from high school 2:27:48.920 --> 2:27:52.640 playing football into you know, signing a record deal and 2:27:52.720 --> 2:27:54.600 kind of starting the career to kind of getting into 2:27:54.640 --> 2:27:56.400 my career and kind of finding my own voice to 2:27:56.400 --> 2:27:58.640 my own sound, and then's now going through a lot 2:27:58.640 --> 2:28:00.879 of different phases in life and all good. 2:28:01.760 --> 2:28:01.960 You know. 2:28:02.160 --> 2:28:04.800 I think every father and son has their definitely ups 2:28:04.800 --> 2:28:06.000 and downs. But I would say that me and my 2:28:06.080 --> 2:28:08.920 dad today at twenty nine and almost fifty, are in 2:28:08.920 --> 2:28:11.760 the best place I've ever been in our father son 2:28:11.800 --> 2:28:15.080 relationship because like, he's so young, and. 2:28:15.240 --> 2:28:16.240 He had me when he was nineteen. 2:28:16.360 --> 2:28:18.680 My mom had me when she was nineteen, and so 2:28:18.720 --> 2:28:20.960 to have a young parent that is I think, because 2:28:21.040 --> 2:28:22.400 I feel like I'm kind of a young parent, and 2:28:22.400 --> 2:28:23.840 I feel like when I'm fifty, I'm going to be 2:28:23.840 --> 2:28:26.240 a lot different than my kids then than I am now, 2:28:26.240 --> 2:28:29.920 because I think parents just go through continuous learning phases. 2:28:30.879 --> 2:28:33.280 But my dad is obviously my dad, but he's also 2:28:33.360 --> 2:28:34.959 like one of my best friends in the world, you know. 2:28:35.040 --> 2:28:36.720 So he's on tour with us. 2:28:36.600 --> 2:28:41.400 This year, brings his wife out on the road, and 2:28:41.480 --> 2:28:43.600 when my kids come out. They just they flock to 2:28:43.640 --> 2:28:45.280 my dad like they're obsessed with my dad. They call 2:28:45.360 --> 2:28:48.400 M Popeye. And I think for the longest time, I 2:28:48.440 --> 2:28:49.440 was like, what does my dad going to be like 2:28:49.480 --> 2:28:51.200 as a grandfather? And he's like the best grandfather in 2:28:51.240 --> 2:28:53.280 the world. And we get right during the day, we 2:28:53.320 --> 2:28:55.039 get to play shows at night, and I just feel 2:28:55.040 --> 2:28:57.320 like he's just become kind of a person that doesn't 2:28:57.360 --> 2:29:00.360 have so I mean, he obviously he is very focused 2:29:00.360 --> 2:29:02.400 and very driven and wants to be an amazing songwriter, 2:29:02.480 --> 2:29:04.240 but I think a lot of the pressure of going, 2:29:04.560 --> 2:29:06.600 how do I keep keep doing this is kind of 2:29:06.640 --> 2:29:07.080 left him. 2:29:07.480 --> 2:29:09.560 As he's turned forty eight to fifty. I just felt 2:29:09.600 --> 2:29:10.520 he's got a lot less. 2:29:10.400 --> 2:29:12.480 Pressure on his shoulders, and I think it's kind of 2:29:12.480 --> 2:29:14.360 made our relationship a lot better. And he's given me 2:29:14.400 --> 2:29:17.680 a lot more you know, older man wisdom. I think, 2:29:17.760 --> 2:29:20.080 did he encourage you early early on to start music? 2:29:20.720 --> 2:29:22.840 Not really, man, My dad never pressured me to do 2:29:22.879 --> 2:29:25.400 a lot, but his big things don't quit anything, you 2:29:25.400 --> 2:29:27.640 know what I mean. Like we battled that for a while, 2:29:27.680 --> 2:29:30.480 like in high school, like going to football camp. No 2:29:30.560 --> 2:29:32.240 one likes football camp. I don't care if you're the 2:29:32.240 --> 2:29:34.160 best football player in the world. You hate football camp, 2:29:34.680 --> 2:29:36.120 and like I was like, I just I just want 2:29:36.160 --> 2:29:37.800 to quit and play baseball. I want to quit and 2:29:37.879 --> 2:29:39.760 go do this or that. And he'd be like, well, 2:29:39.800 --> 2:29:43.200 you signed up, you're not quitting, and and so when 2:29:43.200 --> 2:29:44.959 it came to music, he was just he was very 2:29:45.640 --> 2:29:47.440 weird about it because I think he did it, you know, 2:29:47.520 --> 2:29:49.360 for ten to twelve years, and he knows the highs 2:29:49.400 --> 2:29:51.119 and he knows the lows, and he knows what failure 2:29:51.160 --> 2:29:53.440 feels like and what success feels like. And I think 2:29:53.480 --> 2:29:56.600 any dubt would want to kind of give their kid 2:29:57.400 --> 2:29:59.879 whatever they can expect and then be like, hey, now 2:30:00.040 --> 2:30:01.280 you can make the decision, but I want you to 2:30:01.280 --> 2:30:03.240 know that it's not going to easy road. And so him 2:30:03.280 --> 2:30:04.640 and my mom both were like, are you sure that 2:30:04.640 --> 2:30:06.760 you want to get into music? And when I turned 2:30:06.800 --> 2:30:08.800 about nineteen years old, it was really the only thing 2:30:08.840 --> 2:30:10.320 in life that I wanted to do. All I want 2:30:10.320 --> 2:30:11.640 to do is write songs. All I want to do 2:30:11.680 --> 2:30:14.560 is play shows. Anything about creating anything, That's what I 2:30:14.560 --> 2:30:15.080 wanted to do. 2:30:15.400 --> 2:30:18.160 So do you look back now and see that you're 2:30:18.240 --> 2:30:21.720 your father's son. Yes, maybe you didn't see it then, 2:30:21.760 --> 2:30:23.520 but now you look back and go, I'm I didn't. 2:30:23.600 --> 2:30:25.000 Yeah, I didn't see it a lot then, but now 2:30:25.120 --> 2:30:26.760 I'm looking at the way that I parent the way 2:30:26.760 --> 2:30:30.360 that he parented, and we are we are a lot 2:30:30.400 --> 2:30:31.840 alike in a lot of ways, and we are still 2:30:31.920 --> 2:30:33.680 very different in a lot of ways, but more so alike. 2:30:34.320 --> 2:30:35.480 What's your first cut ever? 2:30:37.040 --> 2:30:38.760 A song called I Ain't Ready to Quit by Jason 2:30:38.800 --> 2:30:44.840 Eldan twenty ten. 2:30:45.360 --> 2:30:46.640 You were still in school at the time. 2:30:47.520 --> 2:30:49.480 I was at Lipscomb University down the street. Yeah, and 2:30:49.520 --> 2:30:51.120 you get a cut? Yeah, what's that like? 2:30:51.360 --> 2:30:54.360 I thought that I was a gajillionaire and I probably 2:30:54.360 --> 2:30:57.800 made a hundred bucks that cut. But I remember when 2:30:57.800 --> 2:31:00.080 that when that came out, Dude, it was like all 2:31:00.120 --> 2:31:01.920 my buddies in college. I remember we went to Walmart 2:31:01.959 --> 2:31:04.320 that night and we all bought two copies of the record, 2:31:04.640 --> 2:31:06.640 and uh, we parked my truck in the front yard 2:31:06.640 --> 2:31:08.800 of this little house next Lipscom and we just we 2:31:08.840 --> 2:31:11.080 had a party to one song. We literally just played 2:31:11.080 --> 2:31:13.440 this song on repeat for like six hours. It was just, 2:31:13.440 --> 2:31:14.760 I mean, it was just the coolest thing that ever 2:31:14.760 --> 2:31:16.840 happened to me in my entire life. 2:31:17.480 --> 2:31:19.039 You signed a record deal like a year. 2:31:19.000 --> 2:31:22.680 Later, A year later, Yeah, did you do the let 2:31:22.720 --> 2:31:24.080 me talk to some record labels? 2:31:24.200 --> 2:31:26.080 Did you do the showcases for people? 2:31:26.200 --> 2:31:26.360 Did? 2:31:26.520 --> 2:31:27.440 Was it a uh? 2:31:27.920 --> 2:31:30.680 They all offering you deals like what was the Thomas 2:31:30.760 --> 2:31:32.200 Rhett record label? 2:31:32.720 --> 2:31:32.840 Uh? 2:31:33.120 --> 2:31:35.000 Kind of pursuit like they did. 2:31:35.000 --> 2:31:38.000 Man, I think I played for I played for six 2:31:38.080 --> 2:31:41.560 or seven record labels, and uh, the only song that 2:31:41.640 --> 2:31:43.600 I had that I thought was even remotely good was 2:31:43.640 --> 2:31:44.840 a song called if I Could Have a Beer with 2:31:44.959 --> 2:31:48.760 Jesus that was on my first record, and every every 2:31:48.840 --> 2:31:50.760 label that I played for a day later had offered 2:31:50.800 --> 2:31:54.800 me a record deal, and I couldn't believe it because 2:31:54.840 --> 2:31:56.560 all all, all I thought I wanted to be was 2:31:56.560 --> 2:31:58.520 a songwriter. I just wanted to follow in dad's footsteps, 2:31:58.560 --> 2:31:59.920 like I didn't. I don't think I wanted to go 2:32:00.040 --> 2:32:01.720 on the road. I wanted to play shows, but I 2:32:01.760 --> 2:32:04.520 didn't think I wanted to do the whole do the thing, 2:32:04.640 --> 2:32:05.800 go on radio tour, sign a. 2:32:05.720 --> 2:32:08.039 Record, to do all that stuff. But as I got. 2:32:07.640 --> 2:32:10.120 Into it, started to get some cuts, it gave me 2:32:10.160 --> 2:32:12.320 the bug because when I wrote the songs instead of 2:32:12.360 --> 2:32:14.560 other people singing, I really wondered what it would be 2:32:14.600 --> 2:32:16.880 like if I recorded them and put them on the radio, 2:32:17.040 --> 2:32:19.480 and so once I signed a record of a Big Machine. 2:32:19.480 --> 2:32:22.879 I think it was twenty eleven. It's just kind of 2:32:22.879 --> 2:32:25.720 been a roller coaster since then, but it was definitely 2:32:25.879 --> 2:32:26.840 the right thing for sure. 2:32:32.240 --> 2:32:34.920 Thanks for listening to this special episode of the Bobbycast. 2:32:35.200 --> 2:32:37.800 I hope you enjoyed hearing stories from the early days 2:32:37.800 --> 2:32:40.560 of artists who had massive careers and they're still topping 2:32:40.600 --> 2:32:43.560 the charts, they're winning major awards, but they always weren't 2:32:43.760 --> 2:32:45.879 chart toppers and award winners at the end of the day, 2:32:46.160 --> 2:32:50.120 normal folks, dads, brothers, sons, who started somewhere. We'll probably 2:32:50.160 --> 2:32:53.400 have another episode like this with some really awesome female artists, 2:32:53.440 --> 2:32:55.600 Gabby Barrett, Martine McBride. We have that coming up to 2:32:55.640 --> 2:32:57.640 in the near future. 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