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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to a special episode of The Bobbycast.

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Speaker 1: This is before they made it big. I love these

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Speaker 1: kinds of episodes. It was super cool to compile all

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Speaker 1: of this because over the years, I've sat down with

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Speaker 1: artists who are massive stars now, but once upon a time,

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Speaker 1: they were just normal people trying to figure out live

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Speaker 1: whether going to college or starting a family, or playing

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Speaker 1: in a band in their hometown. And I've talked to

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Speaker 1: most of them six seven, eight years ago and an

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Speaker 1: inside look at what they were doing before they moved

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Speaker 1: to Nashville, what made them pull the trigger to actually

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Speaker 1: move to Nashville, because again, that's a big decision, and

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Speaker 1: then the very beginning of their careers. It's fun to

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Speaker 1: listen to them talk about life years ago, the mindset

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Speaker 1: they had then. Some of these interviews are from years ago,

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Speaker 1: and some of them talking about back before they made it.

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Speaker 1: On this episode, you're gonna hear some great stories they're

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Speaker 1: in the archives of the Bobbycast. From Thomas Rhet, Dirk Spentley,

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Speaker 1: Jacob and Chris Staple, Timbrett Eldridge, John Party, Cole Swindell,

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Speaker 1: and Walker Hayes. Let's kick off the special with Chris

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Speaker 1: Stapleton talking about his days of playing football in high

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Speaker 1: school and coming to Nashville, and originally it was just

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Speaker 1: to be a songwriter. The like to look at the

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Speaker 1: pictures of the shows. It's been so crazy to watch

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Speaker 1: the growth. There's been two artists that I've seen grow

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Speaker 1: like the like I've watched this grow, this.

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Speaker 2: Part of you, this.

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Speaker 1: Chapter of Chris Stapleton, you and Sam and you're not

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Speaker 1: the same, but it's like nobody kind of came out

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Speaker 1: of nowhere, completely organic, and it's been boom songwriting first,

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Speaker 1: like paying dudes writing songs for people, like that's why,

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Speaker 1: Like that way you moved, you moved down to write

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Speaker 1: song a songwriter.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was that sounded like the greatest job

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Speaker 2: Though singing like you did you want to like, I

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Speaker 2: can go be an artist. So let's be honest.

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Speaker 3: You know, sitting in a room playing a guitar for

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Speaker 3: that is probably still the greatest job in the world.

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Speaker 2: Would you rather sit in a room and write a

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Speaker 2: great song with one of your songwriter buddies or play

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Speaker 2: on stage for fifty thousand people.

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Speaker 3: I like to play, so that that's hard to say.

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Speaker 3: But I like to write a good song too. But

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Speaker 3: you know, at this point, I probably have to pick

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Speaker 3: playing because I like playing. I like playing a whole lot.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever get to where I'm getting kind of

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Speaker 1: tired of playing? I just kind of want to write

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Speaker 3: No, No, I mean certainly, if you're if you're not

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Speaker 3: feeling one hundred percent, if you're sick, you know, there's

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Speaker 3: times I'm sure you get out there, not sleeping and

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Speaker 3: working nine days a week where you're just like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I wish I could just, you know, chill out just

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Speaker 3: a minute. But the fear will keep you going.

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Speaker 2: The fear. That's why I have fear.

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Speaker 1: I'm terrified that I feel like, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you feel this way, because I'm obviously nuts, but

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Speaker 1: I feel like I've been committing crimes for a long time,

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Speaker 1: they do, my career is over because they're if they've

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Speaker 1: not even some imposter syndrome, you.

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Speaker 3: Feel like, absolutely, I think I think a lot of

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Speaker 3: you know. But I had somebody that uh and I

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Speaker 2: A hero of mine. You have that very thing.

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Speaker 3: He's like, I'm just waiting for everybody to figure you know,

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Speaker 3: even you feel that way.

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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, all right, do you feel that way? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Sure, everybody you know to some degree, nobody you know.

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Speaker 3: But then you know the flip side of the corner.

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Speaker 3: I used to say to people when even when you

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Speaker 3: I'm far better than I deserve.

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Speaker 2: I used to say that the people.

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Speaker 3: And then I had I met somebody and then and

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Speaker 3: But do you know, maybe we all deserve great things?

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Speaker 3: And it really made me. It took me back for

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Speaker 3: all probably deserve great things. You know, not all of

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Speaker 2: Do you get in your own head a lot?

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Speaker 4: You feel like.

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Speaker 3: I can in a moment, And yeah, I get in

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Speaker 3: my own head quite a bit. That's probably why I

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Speaker 3: don't talk that much.

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Speaker 1: What's your fear getting in your own head of talking?

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Speaker 1: H Like, what's the worst that could happen in your mind?

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Speaker 2: What you say?

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to get in my own head,

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Speaker 1: So that's why I don't.

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Speaker 3: I might get in my own head on stage. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: that's the worst place for it to happen to me,

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Speaker 3: you know, like maybe I don't like how something sounding,

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Speaker 3: you know, or it's you know, any little thing that

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Speaker 3: able to dig myself out of that moment. It's bad

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Speaker 3: when I go down, but I try to avoid it.

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Speaker 3: Will you go down like that? Because I'll go down

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Speaker 3: like that absolutely, and it can ruin my whole day

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Speaker 1: Me my co host Amy can you can notice that

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Speaker 1: and she's the one that goes boom and she'll try

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Speaker 2: Is that what Morgan does for you? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, because she can see it sometimes or she can

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Speaker 2: You can't, or you're just starting. Absolutely, Yeah, same thing,

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Speaker 2: you needs to be in that space. Well, yeah, you've

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Speaker 2: off of it. Do you feel like sometimes you don't

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Speaker 2: want to fix yourself because you'll lose your edge. Do

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Speaker 2: you ever have that thought? I'm not till now, never

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Speaker 3: No, you know I used to think those kind of things,

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Speaker 3: but I always feel like there's room for improvement and

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Speaker 3: and if something's making your your overall health or life better,

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Speaker 3: it's not necessarily it's not losing your edge, you know,

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Speaker 3: I feel like those things.

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Speaker 2: It's not losing edge. It's just it's making making you sharper.

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Speaker 1: You finish the show, you come off stage, what's the

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Speaker 1: what's the first thing you do finish the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thank all the local crew guys for for

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Speaker 3: the work, and a lot of times my wife is

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Speaker 2: Is over, so.

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Speaker 3: I'll go find out where she is if she needs anything,

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Speaker 3: and then I'll probably why not hang with the band

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Speaker 2: For the eightieth time for the eightieth time.

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Speaker 1: Do you go back and listen to shows like your

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Speaker 1: live shows and then criticize or love on yourself.

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Speaker 3: No, not, No, I try not to. I mean, we

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Speaker 3: We basically, you know, have as much of that kind

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Speaker 1: So, well, you look at a crowd, and when you

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Speaker 3: Like anybody that spending my show just knows that I

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I didn't know that because I do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm here, yeahside the circle, like.

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Speaker 2: Somebody can see me over the radio or whatever this is.

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Speaker 3: And but I'm I'm very much in the guitar and

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Speaker 3: I'm in my singing, and I'm in with the rest

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Speaker 3: And when that's not going on, then the interaction happens

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Speaker 3: But for the most part, I try to keep there's

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Speaker 1: That circle too is important to you. Oh yeah, the

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Speaker 1: people in that circle. Absolutely, they're the same people on

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Speaker 1: the record. Absolutely Why they's so important to you?

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Speaker 3: None of we wouldn't be sitting here talking if it

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Speaker 2: You really care about it, huh, oh yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Can it?

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Speaker 1: Try as I can tell you, I feel like with me,

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Speaker 1: I'm as good as the people around me are. Like

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Speaker 1: I try, I surromise. The people made me.

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Speaker 3: Better, right, And that's that's one of the best things

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Speaker 3: yourself with the best people you can find and whatever.

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Speaker 3: And that extends into you know, when we're on the

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Speaker 3: It's probably as much as I enjoyed saying I enjoy it,

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Speaker 1: You know, whenever you hurt yourself, you just didn't want

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well it sucked worse for the people that had

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Speaker 2: These the Eagles. That's that's pretty freaking cool. That is cool.

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Speaker 2: You know, I paid, I.

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Speaker 3: Saved up my money and when the hell is over

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Speaker 1: Here's Derek Spentley on driving to Nashville with his dad

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Speaker 1: I think you're a recent addition, just speaking frankly to

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Speaker 1: But like you know, Luke's gonna be But you're on

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Speaker 7: It's probably that's when I play hockey here in town

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Speaker 7: I was writing pretty much all my own songs, working

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Speaker 7: I think I was in my mind, I was trying

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Speaker 7: in country music, we did like forty one shows.

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00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,160
Speaker 2: In forty five days one time.

437
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm out there all the time, and I'm

438
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 7: trying to rush back here and make records and go

439
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 7: back out there again.

440
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,119
Speaker 2: It just it just doesn't It just doesn't work that way.

441
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,159
Speaker 7: So I was on the road in two thousand and

442
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 7: eight or nine with Paisley and except I tried my

443
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 7: headlining thing, it just wasn't working. So it was like, okay,

444
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,919
Speaker 7: retreat Brad was I had a chance to go with

445
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 7: Brad and it was on that tour and I was

446
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 7: opening for him, and there's a lot going on that tour.

447
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 7: Weren't really getting a chance to sound check, and there's

448
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 7: just the vibe of my band just as it was

449
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 7: kind of the tour that just everyone just like, you know,

450
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 7: we're just only playing for forty five minutes, and it's

451
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 7: just the songs weren't really there. And I just was

452
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 7: like in the back of my bus one day and

453
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,199
Speaker 7: I remember thinking, I'm gonna make a bluegrass record. I'm

454
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 7: wanna make a blue grass record and a country record,

455
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 7: and just I need to get creative. That's what I

456
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 7: kept thinking, is I need to get creative, because when

457
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 7: you're you're in that opening slot, especially after you've headlined

458
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 7: for a little while, it's techic go back and just

459
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 7: do forty five minutes of the same show every night.

460
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 7: You know, you're trying to make the most of that

461
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 7: forty five minutes, so you kind of get locked into

462
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:29,640
Speaker 7: doing the same show.

463
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 2: And it just killed all of us.

464
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 7: So I left and made ended up making just just

465
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 7: a bluegrass record, and uh it really and I went

466
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 7: back in the process of making that, being off the

467
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 7: grid and not worrying about singles or touring or anything,

468
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 7: just trying to make a great record that stood alone

469
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 7: by itself and existed just for for itself totally rechanged

470
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 7: my thinking. And you know, I still looking around people

471
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 7: like Miranda Lambert and you know she only writes half

472
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 7: an album, if even that, you know, and Lady A

473
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 7: and these people at the time were like, you know,

474
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 7: they're collecting great songs. You know, they came to realize

475
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 7: that after your second album, you can't write an entire

476
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 7: album just there's no time. You're touring all the time.

477
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 7: You saw some man of the responsibilities I had. I

478
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 7: was married at this point, as kids too, So the

479
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 7: blue grass record, you know, I was working with the

480
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 7: guy m John Randall one of my best friends, and

481
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 7: he was bringing me great songs from Christopherson and Buddy

482
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 7: Miller and just we started making a collection of an

483
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 7: album that had my input but also had songs that

484
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 7: kind of rounded out what I was trying to say

485
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 7: or the field the album.

486
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 2: And I carry that on with working with.

487
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 7: Ross Kapperman into the next couple of albums and uh,

488
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 7: really trying to make albums that don't worry about touring,

489
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 7: do worry about anything.

490
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 2: Who cares? Just make a great record.

491
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 7: And one of the great things now I don't have

492
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 7: an A lister, but who are am in my career

493
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 7: is there's the better off you are doing touring and

494
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 7: the more of you you have those fans, more freedom

495
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 7: you have to say, who cares, Let's make the record

496
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 7: you really want to make. I feel like that's why

497
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 7: Keith is making like his best records, Keith Thurman's records

498
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 7: me just get better and better each time because I

499
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 7: feel like he's even more like I don't care. I'm

500
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 7: gonna make great music that makes me happy that I

501
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 7: like and hopefully you like it too. But there's no

502
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 7: there's no math behind it. You know, it's just totally.

503
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 7: It's pure art and he didn't have to worry about

504
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 7: where he's gonna get his next meal. You know, he's

505
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 7: just making great records. And I feel like there's on

506
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,959
Speaker 7: both ends of the spectrum. When you're first starting off

507
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 7: and you're so hungry, and then when you get to

508
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 7: place you have a little bit of success and you

509
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 7: have that freedom that it brings.

510
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: To you, you can really make your best records. And I

511
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 2: feel like that's what's happening now. I'm not sure to

512
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 2: I answer your question, but yeah, you and Keith get

513
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: along pretty well.

514
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 7: I love him man too. It's hard for me to

515
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:35,959
Speaker 7: be friends with them because I just have so much

516
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 7: respect for him. It's like we're good friends, but at

517
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 7: the same time, like you're Keith Urban.

518
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: It's almost it's almost like why do you This is

519
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: the feeling I have with him because him and I

520
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: are closer than him than.

521
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 2: Me and other arms.

522
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's one of the guys I like when

523
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: we'll talk to off the show. But it's like what

524
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: I was, like, why do you want to be friends

525
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: with me? He like, you're so smart, yeah, and he's

526
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: so talented and you're so rich, like everything about you

527
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 1: is way better than why would you want to be

528
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: friends with me?

529
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 4: That's how I feel with him.

530
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 2: He is for me.

531
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 7: He's like a he's like a beacon. He's someone I

532
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 7: look up to for advice on just for for lifestyle

533
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 7: and management and how you approach things. And he's just

534
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 7: he's so present, which is something I always you know,

535
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 7: that's my main thing with anything I do is trying

536
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 7: to be as present as possible in the moment that

537
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 7: I'm in.

538
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 2: And he really is a true reflection of that.

539
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 7: I mean when when you speak to him, and you

540
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 7: talk to him, he's so focused on what you have

541
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 7: to say. He's listening, and uh, it's very uncommon in

542
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 7: this business full you know, singers and people are trying

543
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 7: to look at me and you know are have like

544
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 7: five seconds look into your eyes and they're kind of

545
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 7: thinking about the next thing. He's just really focused and

546
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 7: present and has great advice and he's been through a lot,

547
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 7: so he can offer a good good gems. But whenever

548
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 7: I see him a choosing on a Sunday, uh and

549
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 7: we're doing some with our kids or something, and I'm

550
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 7: like coming off the road and just beat up my brain.

551
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 7: His brains are aready functioning faster than mind. Anyway, I'm

552
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 7: coming off like no sleep, I'm tired. I'm trying to

553
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 7: make conversation with him, like hopefully I see you one day,

554
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 7: and I'm not like just so exhausted because it'd be

555
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 7: fun to.

556
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 2: Talk, like have an actual real conversation.

557
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 8: Hang tight, the Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow,

558
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 8: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

559
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 4: What was that for you?

560
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: What was the song that were you kind of switched

561
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: it up for You're like, oh boy, we're a different

562
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: plant Field now.

563
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 7: As man, I think my career has been so different

564
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 7: than anyone else's. I know it's it's just been so

565
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 7: such a long slow.

566
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: What comes to mind where you're like, I'll be talking

567
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: a plane changed a lot for me. I'm getting drunk

568
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 2: on playing. I mean the biggest song, this song had

569
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 2: a big like body.

570
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 7: The most important song of my whole career, and I

571
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 7: say every night when I'm on stage is as I

572
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 7: Hold On. That's a song that like connects the most

573
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 7: of the whole most personal song for me. I wrote

574
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 7: a rap my I passed away and the audience, man,

575
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 7: those it's a song in the show where like we're

576
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 7: having a party.

577
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 2: Thing's fun. It's awesome.

578
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 7: We're all fully connect because we're all having so much

579
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 7: fun and throwing a party. In this song I play,

580
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,719
Speaker 7: it's just like it loses in a different direction. It's

581
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 7: it's it's more just like this instead of this. It's

582
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 7: like we just come together over the let's share sentiment

583
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 7: of the whole amount of things that mean something to you,

584
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 7: and it's it's more important song.

585
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: The important, but not the one you felt flipped you like,

586
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: oh boy, this is it. I remember the day drunk

587
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: on a playing like I heard of at the first time. Yeah,

588
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: you brought it into the studio. I hadn't been played yet,

589
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: and you were like, I want you to hear this song.

590
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: I was like, this is a real song, drunk on

591
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: a playing. I thought you were messing with me. Yeah,

592
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: And I almost didn't even put it on the record. Really,

593
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: who makes that call then to put it on the record.

594
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 7: Just you know, I'm so everyone I work with there's

595
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 7: such an open communication.

596
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: If I like even the label.

597
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 7: With Mike and sending everyone to Capital, If if I

598
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 7: have doubts about something, they don't immediately jump on that

599
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 7: new set to promote their agenda. Everyone just just like cooling,

600
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 7: work out together and work with Mary and we just

601
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 7: kind of like and our tour and my executive producer

602
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 7: and Ross and just okay, let's put it on there,

603
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 7: you know.

604
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: But then they make it a single you're talking about

605
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: like completely left of center.

606
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: I know.

607
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 7: I remember I had some people like that's all will

608
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 7: never worked. Man, Red necks don't fly like I don't know.

609
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 7: I don't know if it will work either, but it's

610
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 7: it's I'm a pilot and I love you know. At

611
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 7: the time, it was a few drinks and it was

612
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 7: it was. But it is a huge song for me,

613
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 7: for sure.

614
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: It was a month it was. It was a monster. Yeah,

615
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: and then it flew up the charts. Yeah, it was big.

616
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: I remember the day it came on the radio. We

617
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: did a debut, like a world premire of it, and

618
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: it played all day long. And I won't say what

619
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 1: it is, but I was like, man, this sounds really good, right,

620
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: because I like things that are different. Yeah, I don't care.

621
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: I like taking big chances and hitting home runs more

622
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: so than being consistent and just you know, having that

623
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: three hundred bating average.

624
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

625
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: So it came out I was like, man, I love

626
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: this song because this is sound like anything else, and

627
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: that one of our radio guys, with a big radio guy,

628
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: he was like, this sucks.

629
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 2: Sucks, We're gonna work. It's too weird. No, it's not.

630
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: Obviously it wasn't right because but like I love this song.

631
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: You know a song I loved yours it didn't work

632
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: for you was Bourbon in Kentucky. Yeah, well you and Casey.

633
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: I loved that song too.

634
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 7: That album cycle is so funny because I put up

635
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 7: Bourbon it didn't work, pulled it back, put out I

636
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 7: Hold On, which probably you know, was a huge songf

637
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 7: for me, then Drunk on a Plane, which was obviously

638
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 7: the biggest song off that album. But Bourbon, it was

639
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 7: a great song that Hillary Lindsay wrote, and I just

640
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 7: I love that song. And I had to call her up.

641
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 7: She's down Orange Beach. She had a few drinks and

642
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 7: I was like hey, She's like, hey, what are you doing.

643
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 7: I was like, you're not gonna believe this, but we're

644
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 7: pulling that song and she was like so confused. She's

645
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 7: just like I thought the next time I heard from

646
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 7: me would be like the number one party. I'm like

647
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 7: I've never had a pull song for my life. But

648
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 7: it's the middle of summer and I'm getting all his

649
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 7: feedback that the song's too dark, and that's why I

650
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 7: loved it, though I know, I mean, I know I

651
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 7: love it too, and I just everyone's everyone around. He

652
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,479
Speaker 7: was like, it's just not gonna work, and you can

653
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 7: either work it for thirty weeks and have it die

654
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 7: in the thirties or make a change now. It was

655
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 7: the first song off the record, and I hate that.

656
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 7: It was a great tune, but yeah, just that's what

657
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 7: happens sometimes.

658
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: What for you, because the artists will come in and say, hey,

659
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: this is like, for example, I think, who was it?

660
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: My American kids like Kenny cut a little big town

661
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: had it yeah, and Kenny cut it yeah, and so.

662
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: No, no, Kenny had it. Wait, yeah, a little bit

663
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: down had it. Yeah, a little bit down had it. Yeah.

664
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: Shane was telling the story. Okay, now it's all sorts

665
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: of yeah, a little Shane had it. He's on a

666
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: flight and uh, he's on a flight with Kennedy. He

667
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: plays his song for Kken. He's like, I gotta have

668
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 1: the song. But Shane's like, I'm too scared to tell

669
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: him a little bit now I's already cut it. Yeah,

670
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: so he has to call they have to call a

671
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: little big down and Kenny said like, I would love

672
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: to have this song. And Shane's like oh, and Kenny's like,

673
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: I want to make this the single. Oh yeah, and

674
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: He's like, it's up to you, guys, it's your song.

675
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: You've already started paying your your tracking it. And so

676
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: a little big town gave this song American Kids to Kenny.

677
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

678
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: So a lot of people come to the stories like, man,

679
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: I had this song and then I was like, yeah,

680
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: last minute, I let it go.

681
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 7: I have a bunch of songs that like I heard

682
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 7: and I because the main thing if you're picking singles

683
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 7: you got to pick are picking songs. You gotta pick

684
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 7: songs that are hits, but also their hits for you,

685
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 7: and that's that's that's how you get the big hits

686
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 7: out of the park.

687
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: And I hit three hundreds.

688
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 7: When you pick singles that are like made for you,

689
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 7: you think of songs like Don't Close your Eyes by

690
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 7: Keith Whitley, songs that like We're just as a singer

691
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 7: was made for that song, John Party song during my Boots.

692
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 2: I heard that song. I think before he you know,

693
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: before he cut.

694
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,719
Speaker 1: It, and what did you think when you heard it?

695
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: Huge hit? This is a monster, This is a huge song.

696
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: There's a line there about.

697
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 7: A tractor, you know, and I was like that, I

698
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 7: don't have that tractor factor.

699
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: You know, I don't have that thing. It's not what

700
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: I do. So, like, I could either try to change

701
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: this song up to make it work for me, or

702
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: just let it go and help those guys, you know.

703
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 2: I don't want the songwriters.

704
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 7: I want them to find for songwriters, man, they might

705
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 7: get one or two great Oh these guys, they probably

706
00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 7: get five great songs.

707
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: Right.

708
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 7: I don't want to stand away someone's like baby and

709
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 7: tied up, because that's the way Nashville used to be.

710
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 7: People to hold songs like yours, you know, hold thirty

711
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 7: forty songs to the record, and the hold was respected

712
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 7: nowadays as it should be. It's not like you either

713
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 7: cut it or you don't. And if you're you're you're

714
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 7: taking your time. I'm gonna pictck it to somebody else

715
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 7: and get them to cut it.

716
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: You know.

717
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: Songwriters have more power now, I think than they did

718
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: back in the late nineties.

719
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 7: But so that song Whiskey Lullaby is a song that

720
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 7: came that I oh, that's a good herd and I

721
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 7: was like, ah, and then and why why not that one?

722
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 9: What?

723
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: What?

724
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 4: What? That?

725
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 7: It's just uh, I don't know just what, you know.

726
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 7: I didn't hear it as a duet that the way

727
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 7: Brad heard it, which is genius.

728
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: It just wasn't. I don't know. I just didn't have it,

729
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: didn't do it, didn't do something for me. I don't

730
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: know what it was.

731
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 7: But there's that happens all the time, but for me,

732
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 7: it's there. I ever go, oh my gosh, I'm kicking myself.

733
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 7: I'm always like, I'm happy for that that song found

734
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 7: the right home and made its way.

735
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: There's there's always another song out there.

736
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: Who have you heard the opposite where you got this long?

737
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: Because somebody else was like, and you made it a

738
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: hit and they have to be well, man, you know,

739
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: somewher on the Beach was a big deal.

740
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: It really was.

741
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 10: Man.

742
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: That was like, uh, yeah, I.

743
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 7: Had this song on hold. And there's five guys who

744
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 7: wrote that song. And there's a lot of people wanted

745
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 7: that song, and I just who wanted it wrote One

746
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 7: of those the writers of the song. I'm totally drawing

747
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 7: a blank right now. My brain is what happens when

748
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 7: you're on the road for three days straight. But well, actually,

749
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 7: Michael Knox, I think I think Michael Knox wanted it

750
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 7: for one of his artists of what it was, and

751
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 7: we kept saying, you know, our tour. I luckily I

752
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 7: don't to fight those battles. My one of my producers

753
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 7: really goes in the trenches for that stuff and it

754
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 7: worked out as a big hit for for me and

755
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 7: it helps him go on the road and kind of

756
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 7: have a song and talk about But at the same time,

757
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 7: I know it's to be tough.

758
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: When you're a new artist.

759
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 7: You know, a big song that that's different you can

760
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 7: kind of set you apart from other people.

761
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: But I hopefully they're happy it was a big hit.

762
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: You know.

763
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 4: It's like Lady A you know, Lady has You Look good? Notice.

764
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was Thomas Rhetts first. That's his song,

765
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: and it was he didn't write it, he had it

766
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: okay and he was like he was gonna cut it huge.

767
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: It's awesome the whole I mean and the whole. But

768
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: every artist does different things with it too. Yes, that's

769
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: what we don't know too, Like, yeah, what are you

770
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: gonna do different about? Like Kenny's totally was like this

771
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: beach vibe. Who knows how Little Big Tow went cut

772
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: it and tracked it when what they would have had

773
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: as a part of.

774
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 7: This song, and it's it's yeah, totally, it's you know,

775
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 7: I think all you can do. I mean, it's just

776
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 7: the business we're in and in life in general, is

777
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 7: you have to like you cannot like hold like that

778
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 7: you could. You got to be have an attitude of

779
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 7: gratitude and be thankful for what you got. And if

780
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 7: something it's all meant to be, it's it's it's there's

781
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 7: a reason why you didn't cut that song. There's just

782
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 7: wanted someone else to cut the song. And otherwise you're

783
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 7: gonna drive yourself crazy and you're gonna be resentful and you're

784
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 7: gonna be you're you're playing a small game and you

785
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 7: should be playing a much bigger game where you're looking

786
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 7: at a macro view of it, not just this micro.

787
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: Like song song, song, song song. If you're you know,

788
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: that's not that's not the work.

789
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: Jake Cohen says he owes his career and where he

790
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: is today to the Nashville songwriters that he met real

791
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: early on. Because here, I'll tell you, I was talking

792
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: to Ross Kapperman and good Man.

793
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 4: We were talking about you know, we had a.

794
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: Really good talk and he's coming to the stand up

795
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: show Saturday. Just talked to him and we were you know,

796
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,959
Speaker 1: you kind of get lost in these conversations and didn't

797
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: feel like this microphone in front of you.

798
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: For a while.

799
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: And we're talking about songs, and I'm just so interested

800
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: in the songwriter part of it for me, Like that's

801
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: why I started this thing. Were like, I'm interested in

802
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: songwriters and why they write songs, artists, artist or songwriter,

803
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: songwriter a song I just wanted to know, Like I

804
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: want to put some light in a place that really

805
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of lights shined on. And so

806
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: I was like, so tell me you write these songs.

807
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: These these guys take these cuts that aren't theirs, Like

808
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: most artists, if it's fifty to fifty or if it's

809
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: sixty forty, they'll still go with their own song over

810
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: another cut if if it's close. And he was like,

811
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: you're right, that does happen a lot, he said, But

812
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, here's what Kenny Chesney had told him. He said,

813
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: you will sell more and merch if you have a

814
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: hit it's not yours. Then if it's a great song,

815
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: then if you have a good song, it is yours.

816
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 4: The money you'll make.

817
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he.

818
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: Was like, that's what a lot of artists. And again

819
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: he's a songwriter who isn't and who's not on the radio.

820
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: So you gotta understand way's come up from a biased

821
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: agenda phil place. We all are, I am, your everybody is.

822
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: But he was like, you know, that's what the new

823
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: artist should know, and that's what artists should know, Like

824
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: you should take outside song from songwriters, because here's Kenny Chesney,

825
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: who I don't know that Chesney writes anything on his

826
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 1: records anymore.

827
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has very little. Yeah, so but.

828
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: He's not he doesn't, it's not it doesn't matter to him.

829
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: He wants to find great songs.

830
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 2: Well, he said, what's.

831
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 11: Yeah, And that's why Kenny's always been great. He's found

832
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 11: the greatest way possible of doing something, whether it be

833
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 11: a song, whether it be a show, whether it be

834
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 11: his body working out. Like the guy does everything to

835
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 11: a high level, and he expects a high level of

836
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 11: of everything and his music. He's written great songs that

837
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 11: were number one hits. You know, I go back, you

838
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 11: wrote that by himself? I think, but a lot like

839
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 11: I've learned from him being on the road as many

840
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 11: much as I was. Where he was like, Jake, you

841
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 11: just got to take what's the best song. And he's right,

842
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 11: because my first two albums I wrote every song everything.

843
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 11: And it wasn't until I recorded Barefoot Blue je Night

844
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 11: and heard Eric Possel singing the demo on it, I

845
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 11: was like, man, this sounds like me. And I didn't

846
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 11: write it, but it sounds like me. I thought, was it.

847
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: Tough for you to take an outside song for the

848
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: first time and go, well.

849
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 11: Here's what a lot of people don't know either, Like

850
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 11: when you come to town, when you're come to town

851
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 11: and you're just a guy that is trying to make

852
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 11: it and be validated as a great Like I wanted

853
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 11: people in town to be like, man, have you heard

854
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 11: this j Kid. He's a great singer, he's a great songwriter,

855
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 11: He's a great I felt like in order to get

856
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 11: that buzz happening, I had to write my own songs

857
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 11: and write with other songwriters and show that I could

858
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 11: I could do that. But and I was also with

859
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 11: a buddy of mine who was helping me. We were

860
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 11: writing everything together, and I was being loyal to him

861
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 11: and never realized that by reaching into this beautiful, deep

862
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 11: well of songwriters.

863
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: That you can have a hit that and and people

864
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 2: don't care. They don't.

865
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 11: You're just as much validated if you have a if

866
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 11: you because you know, what's funny is, I think probably

867
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 11: a lot of people thought I probably wrote Barefoot Blue

868
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 11: j Knight because it was so much like me, but.

869
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: It also made it sound like you too. That's also yeah,

870
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: well thank you.

871
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

872
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 11: I think that's what I realized is that I had

873
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 11: hits by songs I wrote. I had a career song

874
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 11: by taking an outside song, which that career song started

875
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 11: a string of Alone with You was next and went

876
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 11: number one. Uh, Anywhere with You was the third one.

877
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: It went number one. Well a second, let's let's learn

878
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: over a second. Le me tell you my favorite.

879
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 4: Jake On song.

880
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 2: This one here.

881
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 9: Songhand and that's not some beechy coastal song, you know,

882
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 9: it's just a song that I And what's funny is

883
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 9: Shane Mcanawly wrote this song and I told him for

884
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 9: a year before I recorded it, I didn't even have

885
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:11,959
Speaker 9: it on hold.

886
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: I was just like, dude, I love that song. I

887
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 2: was like, I hate the line in.

888
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 12: It you got edge every time you call?

889
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 2: Uh? He said, you you don't have to, I sang

890
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: and change the lyrics.

891
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 12: You've got me out on the edge every time you call.

892
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 11: You know what he said originally in this in that line,

893
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 11: no kidding, said you've got me running.

894
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: With scissors now the hall, Yeah, you know, okay?

895
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 11: And he said because he was right reading a book

896
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 11: called running with Scissors.

897
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: Another book, dude. And I was like, no, that's terrible.

898
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 11: I was like I can't know, and like I was like,

899
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 11: I don't run with ever since my mom was a

900
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 11: I was a kid. My mom's like, don't run with scissors. Like,

901
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 11: and I understand the idea of it, but like, isn't

902
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 11: it more of a metaphor? Now I'm not saying the

903
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 11: line was right now, I like the line change, but

904
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 11: isn't it a metapal run with scissors? Like it's a metaphor. Yeah,

905
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 11: it is a metaphor. And I know it was a metaphor,

906
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 11: but there's also lines and songs like that's the thing

907
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 11: getting back to taking outside songs. There's so many times

908
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 11: I hear songs I'm like, I love it, love it,

909
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 11: love it, love it, love it, love it, love it.

910
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 11: What did you just say? I'm like, uh huh. And

911
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 11: that one thing. It's kind of like, you know, people

912
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 11: say they're not like vain or whatever, but you might

913
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 11: be like super into a dude or a guy or

914
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 11: whatever and be like, oh everything about him, Oh my god,

915
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 11: he's one like big toe.

916
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 2: It's just like and it turns you off. Right. I'm

917
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: not saying I've ever done that. I'm just saying.

918
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 11: People people can be like particular about certain things. And

919
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 11: that's how I am with songs. Like if I hear

920
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 11: one thing that, it'll throw me off, so I either

921
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 11: have to rewrite it and then just say, hey man,

922
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 11: I'll cut this song. I just had to rewrite this

923
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 11: one part. But that's one thing I'll tell you I've

924
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 11: never done. You can ask Eric Paslay this and he

925
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 11: talked about it on this really for extensively. Like I

926
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 11: cannot take credit on like even if I write something

927
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 11: within a song, since the song wasn't originally my idea,

928
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 11: I can never feel comfortable taking credit for that, Eric,

929
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 11: because they set me up for the home run. I

930
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 11: just and I didn't have anything to do with it.

931
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 11: I'd rather give the credit back to their songwriter. That's

932
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 11: where it to do. Songwriter's man or songwriters have made

933
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 11: my I'm a songwriter, but these other songwriters in Nashville,

934
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 11: Ross Coffin, I mean, he produced and it was a

935
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 11: big part Shane of my last album. And without these

936
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 11: types of guys like I wouldn't I wouldn't be where

937
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 11: I am in my career. I wouldn't have the things

938
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 11: I have in my life, No way, absolutely not. So

939
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 11: I always get to give that back to them.

940
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eric talked for a long time about how you

941
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: came into that song and fixed it to be you

942
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: a lot and didn't want any credit for it, Like

943
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: he was like it was kind of unbelievable that he

944
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: came in, did so much rearranging of things that made

945
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: it felt like his song and never asked for anything.

946
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: Man, I just I don't feel like it's right.

947
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 11: Plus, it will all come back around one day, you know,

948
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 11: like I've always looked at it, like you do the

949
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 11: right thing right, good things come back around.

950
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: Barefoot Blue Jenn Number one Alone with You number one

951
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: one that.

952
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,479
Speaker 11: Got away When we got away every one. I wrote

953
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 11: that song, Uh true story about a girl of it

954
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 11: just came to town in my small town, go to beach,

955
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 11: Florida and met her one summer and she went away

956
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 11: and never met.

957
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: Never saw her ever again.

958
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 11: And I thought this song actually would like as much

959
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 11: like the reset that story, that person would pop up

960
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 11: and be like, did.

961
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: You ever look for on Facebook? You never even looked

962
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: for it.

963
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: I don't even have a Facebook, man.

964
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that didn't mean you didn't have Facebook, like old Jabe,

965
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: Twitter or something old Jake.

966
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 2: Maybe my Space. I looked up around MySpace a.

967
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: Lot of places in our lifetime. We've got to see

968
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: it all like start. Yeah, how about uh.

969
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: For Jane too? Yeah? Another song I didn't write. I

970
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: did not write that song. I just love it. David

971
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: Lee Murphy wrote this song, I think with Ben Hayslip

972
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: and Uh, well, man, I feel terrible. I'm forgetting the

973
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: third writer on this song right.

974
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 11: Now because we had a great night in d and

975
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 11: my awards or game my show that I did. There

976
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 11: you came out the first time and introduced team Actually

977
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 11: if you remember that did yeah you did?

978
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: Yeah?

979
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: Again, it's been I've been here four years now, you did.

980
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: That's when I gave you that photo.

981
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: Lived twenty years. Yeah, does it feel like you've been

982
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: here one hundred years.

983
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I love it here, like I moved here

984
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: because I love it here, Dude.

985
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: I love it here. I hate the industry. I love

986
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: the people, and I love the part of the country.

987
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: And I love the listeners of my show because they're

988
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: normal people and I get to be a normal person

989
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: with them.

990
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 11: Yeah, I hate the music industry. Here's the thing about

991
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 11: the music industry. And this is dude, I could say

992
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 11: whatever I want about the music industry and it wouldn't

993
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 11: matter one way or another as far as you know

994
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 11: how I feel or whatever. No one gives us a

995
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 11: crap about what I think. But I do believe that

996
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 11: there are so and I think you have to admit

997
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 11: in this, like the music industry gets a rep for

998
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 11: what it is. But there's so many great people, dude, Like,

999
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 11: there are so many great people and so many creative

1000
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 11: a lot of people and so many like, there's so

1001
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 11: many people that have helped like, and I keep going

1002
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 11: back to it, like I know because I've messed up

1003
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 11: many of times I've said.

1004
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: Things that people I should never said. I've done that,

1005
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: like and.

1006
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 11: I've said things that I didn't They weren't even meant

1007
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 11: the way they received them that were played against me.

1008
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 11: But I've learned that like in a town where people

1009
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 11: in and then this business, which is creative, by the

1010
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 11: worst thing you can do is be like the negative

1011
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 11: nanny of the day, you know about the business, because

1012
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 11: I found like it can turn against you quick.

1013
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: Here's John Party talking about moving to Nashville and the

1014
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: time he got stabbed right before he moved.

1015
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot before Nashville. When was it okay?

1016
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: So you start making music in California about what age

1017
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: when you start actually performing and making some money and thinking, okay,

1018
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: maybe I could do something musically.

1019
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 10: Well, I have a first band of fourteen and we

1020
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 10: played the Dixon Mayfair and you know, like during it

1021
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 10: was kind of like rock and roll punkish, kind of

1022
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 10: like the rebellion from being growing up singing Alan Jackson

1023
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 10: and George Strait And.

1024
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: Were you still doing some like Nirvana any of the

1025
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: nineties mock.

1026
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: Me we we did?

1027
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 10: You know, we were in the letter skinnered phase and

1028
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 10: like you know, some classic rock and Tom Petty, lots

1029
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 10: of Tom Petty. All of my friends jammed out to

1030
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 10: like Rage Against Machine and Nirvana and you know, like

1031
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 10: Blink Blink.

1032
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: Went a two and Green Day were huge at a time.

1033
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 10: And and and I kind of took that when you

1034
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 10: ask the question when you start like playing for real

1035
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 10: and kind of making tips and stuff. Eighteen but I

1036
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 10: was singing country again, but I had this like kind

1037
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 10: of fast rock and roll vibe to it. And then

1038
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 10: I went to a place called Chico, California, and has

1039
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 10: a college there called Chico State, and it is like

1040
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 10: party down, good time, and formed a country band and learned.

1041
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 10: And I had a mandolin player and he kind of

1042
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 10: taught me a lot about bluegrass. And so we had

1043
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 10: this up about eighteen years old. Here I was nineteen

1044
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 10: nineteen twenty. Basically that lasted nineteen to twenty two.

1045
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 2: And then after that I moved to Nashville.

1046
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: And.

1047
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 4: I was new.

1048
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: I wanted to move in Nashville.

1049
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 10: I took some trips out kind of you know, realize

1050
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 10: that I should probably be twenty one so I can

1051
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 10: get into the bars.

1052
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: You know, like hang out and like get up and

1053
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: do a microphone.

1054
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 10: You get there's still places you can play with back

1055
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 10: in two thousand and eight, you know, even that way,

1056
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 10: maybe I moved here with an atlas, like I didn't

1057
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 10: have GPS on my phone, like it's still kind of

1058
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 10: it was.

1059
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: It seemed so like.

1060
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 10: Really, did you have a horse and a buggy? And

1061
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 10: it seems like so long ago, years ago? Yeah, like

1062
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 10: what would you do without your GPS now? But there

1063
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 10: we're back in the day.

1064
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: We have maps, and it was pretty easy. It was

1065
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 2: three three highways and.

1066
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 4: What's that drive? What's that drive?

1067
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 2: Like three days?

1068
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 10: Yeah, three days of excitement, you know, twenty two.

1069
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: I was excited, like I'm doing it. My mom was sad.

1070
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 2: My dad was like, go get a job.

1071
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 4: Like trying to.

1072
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 10: He's such a worker, but he you know, my dad.

1073
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 10: Everybody pushed me to go to Nashville.

1074
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 4: You know.

1075
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 10: It's they always said, ain't gonna happen here, you know,

1076
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 10: And so saved up some money when I was working

1077
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 10: for my dad, and I got my dog in a

1078
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 10: PA system and I drove to Nashville, found a place

1079
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 10: to live and was on the grind, you know, kind

1080
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 10: of hanging out and.

1081
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 4: You drove three days, three three and a half.

1082
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: I think, so you and your dog, you sleep in

1083
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: the truck, you stop at hotels that we kept the dogs.

1084
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 10: He'd stay in the truck because sometimes I'm stinking in

1085
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 10: but we had you know, he had guitars and stuff

1086
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 10: back there, and he like, he wasn't the dog that

1087
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 10: you wanted to open the camber fell you would like

1088
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 10: he would bite you and he's scary, and uh so

1089
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 10: he kind of and he was fine staying in the truck.

1090
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: So how do you get a place to lift, Like

1091
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: if you're coming from California, northern California or so, and

1092
00:46:59,160 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: you gotta find a.

1093
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: Place of people.

1094
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 10: Well, it came to a couple of trips that I've

1095
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 10: come out, you know, like you can easily network and

1096
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 10: you know, kind.

1097
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: Of meet people. And I just did that, and I

1098
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: you know, I was excited.

1099
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 10: I live within you know, when you're twenty two, you

1100
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 10: live in a bathroom. You know, if you had if

1101
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 10: it was cheap enough to you know, provide and and

1102
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 10: a lot of those people I don't even I don't

1103
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 10: even talk to you anymore.

1104
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: It is like that that phase where it's just you know.

1105
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 10: Kind of starting at the bottom, I mean the bottom

1106
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 10: learning learning the town learn to learning how it was

1107
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 10: back in the day. I mean it's totally different.

1108
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: Now you move here, you're twenty two, you moving with

1109
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 1: a roommate or two. Yeah, how do you start? Meaning

1110
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: if you get here, you met a few people on

1111
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: some trips where you come check it out, But how

1112
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: do you start making a life in music? What's the first.

1113
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: Thing that you do?

1114
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 4: Well?

1115
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 10: I had songs I've written in Northern California with my

1116
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 10: band called.

1117
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: Northern Comfort shout out doing the Comfort.

1118
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 10: That were fun, they were upbeat, they were different, you know,

1119
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 10: And so I always had that in my back pocket.

1120
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 10: I never like really even shared that, but I just

1121
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 10: go out and mingle. I got a job as a

1122
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 10: lifeguard and an after school counselor. That kind of helped

1123
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 10: me get by and and and uh, I got it

1124
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 10: back up before really getting down to the nitty gritty

1125
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 10: of how I survived the long haired days. So in

1126
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 10: my neighborhood, while I was living in a basement, there

1127
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 10: was a townhouse that you can get with no payment.

1128
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 4: Down in Nashville.

1129
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 10: Yeah, And my mom was like, she was all co

1130
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 10: signed with it. It wasn't you know, going from California

1131
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 10: and Nashville that townhouse wasn't too bad, but I.

1132
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 2: Had like four rooms and two and a half bathrooms.

1133
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: It's like I could totally rent this out. And like

1134
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: I literally rented every room at the house.

1135
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 10: And that was I was paying my mortgage and I

1136
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 10: was playing and I had my little lifeguarden job. But

1137
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 10: I did, you know, through mingling basically and kind of

1138
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 10: getting that one shot to get up there and play

1139
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 10: a song at the time, and you know, everybody kind

1140
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 10: of liked and it was fun and we get like

1141
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 10: get down and play that song again.

1142
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: And uh.

1143
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 10: That kind of happened in a place called Losers and

1144
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 10: that was kind of like my home. And I ended

1145
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 10: up playing substituting. You know, if the guy couldn't make

1146
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 10: a gig, they'd call me come play four hours. I

1147
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 10: knew a bunch of covers because we played in covers

1148
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 10: and we played for four hours in northern California, like

1149
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 10: we were, you know, we started tending and we ended

1150
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 10: it too, so I was like, I can do that,

1151
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 10: you know, I can do that. So we just kind

1152
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 10: of did that for two years and I landed through

1153
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 10: mingling and taking songs with publishers, and I knew bart

1154
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 10: my co producer.

1155
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: Now I kind of knew him, and he would sometimes

1156
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: answer my phone calls always to make that joke. Now

1157
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: he answered my phone calls.

1158
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 10: But he kind of set me up in with some

1159
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 10: people and and and just kind of climbed the ladder

1160
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 10: to this old school way like shaking hands. You know,

1161
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 10: I'm John Like, yeah, I'm a songwriter. I kind of

1162
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 10: focused on songwriting. I didn't want to go play downtown.

1163
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 2: You didn't want to go play like Broadway where all

1164
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 2: the mornings, right, No, I was I did that, you know.

1165
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 10: I got that I need to learn how to write,

1166
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 10: like what how does Nashville write?

1167
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: How can I put? How could I fit into.

1168
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 10: This this system that that there it's obviously songwriters, you know,

1169
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 10: and really focused on that and got a publishing deal

1170
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 10: and then got some songs and you know, how to show,

1171
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 10: you know, started doing We got enough songs for a showcase.

1172
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 10: Three showcases in I got signed by Capitol Records with

1173
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 10: handshake deal.

1174
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: It was kind of like and it took a year

1175
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: to sign the contract.

1176
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 10: Once twenty eleven we got signed and then they were

1177
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 10: like your first single comes out in twenty twelve, so

1178
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 10: there's another year.

1179
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: So two years and I just kept.

1180
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 10: Writing and writing and writing and recording songs, even demos

1181
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 10: and kind of learning learning, and then you know, I

1182
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 10: bet that felt like.

1183
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: Forever though, Like from the moment that your handshake signed,

1184
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: you're excited and you had your wait two years for

1185
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: your first song to come out. I bet that was

1186
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: it felt like a slow two years to get that

1187
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: first thing out there.

1188
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 10: Well, I mean, we had a great booking agent and

1189
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 10: we had a lot of we had a lot through showcase.

1190
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 10: I found a band, and we had a van, and

1191
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 10: we learned the South and there was a lot of

1192
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 10: places that we still talk about playing and like a

1193
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 10: lot of guys that are still I see all the

1194
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 10: time that that gave us a shot because we could

1195
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 10: play cover. We could do this, you know, we could

1196
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 10: we could play for three hours, you know, with no

1197
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 10: problem with me throwing some originals. Make eight hundred bucks,

1198
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 10: you know, max out your credit card, hop in the

1199
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 10: van and go, you know in the van.

1200
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 2: It is great.

1201
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 10: That's why now why everyboys asked why is music in Nashville? Well,

1202
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 10: it's it's easy for a van to get around really,

1203
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 10: when it comes down to because back in the day,

1204
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 10: it was built for Cadillacs to get around. So, I

1205
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 10: mean the van was really hard to keep up with

1206
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 10: a tour bus. Let me tell you that was like

1207
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 10: play a show, getting a van dry for five hours,

1208
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 10: sleep in a hotel, wake up early to go keep

1209
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 10: you know, trying to trying to catch up. But we

1210
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 10: were always playing. I was always writing, so it just

1211
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 10: and everything was new. You know, I wasn't from the South.

1212
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 10: I learned what college football was all about because back

1213
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 10: in the West it's not as huge as this year. Like,

1214
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 10: so I was learning all this stuff. I was making

1215
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 10: new friends, and of course, you know, I had a

1216
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 10: record deal.

1217
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: But you know, one day, it was always one day.

1218
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: It's still always one day. But just kept on grinding

1219
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 2: and kept on believing it's still always one day.

1220
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 4: You're right about that, It's still always one day for

1221
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 4: all of us.

1222
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I try to do a better job. And now

1223
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: I had not always looking for one day. One day,

1224
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: this next thing's gonna happen. Yeah, one day, this next

1225
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, I try, I really try to put myself

1226
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 1: in today. I think that's a struggle for me sometimes. Yeah,

1227
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: all right, so let me let's put this a little

1228
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: head over.

1229
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 4: Boots from from John Party here before we get back.

1230
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 2: Into the.

1231
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the one here. It kind of

1232
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: catapulted the next level. Yeah, this was the next leveler.

1233
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: It's just the first one off the record.

1234
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 4: Huh.

1235
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: This thing came out and it was just like, oh yeah,

1236
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: well I felt that the record sounded.

1237
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 4: It sounded super.

1238
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: Super forward while still being a country record. You know,

1239
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: it wasn't one of these where you listen to and

1240
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: you go, oh, that's trying to be something new. It

1241
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: felt country. Yeah, yet it sounded you're using cool sounds.

1242
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: There sounds that I think, am I to you?

1243
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 12: Sonically?

1244
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 2: What's this record about? California Sunrise? You know it was.

1245
00:53:58,560 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 4: I was.

1246
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 10: It was a kind of this is where I am now?

1247
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 10: Because I had a first record. I had four singles

1248
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 10: on the radio. My first record is called Rayu Song,

1249
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 10: and we got up all night on the radio. We

1250
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 10: got to number ten, and that let me get my

1251
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 10: album out and my first record. Literally once it got

1252
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 10: on iTunes and people started listening to it, we're selling

1253
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 10: out clubs. We're selling out clubs, is that right with

1254
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 10: with We're we're out selling people with number ones? But

1255
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 10: and then you know, it was just kind of fun

1256
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 10: and you got that that crowd singing back with songs

1257
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 10: that were just on the on the record, you know,

1258
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 10: and and and it's still to this day we play

1259
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 10: songs of that first record. But four years being on

1260
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 10: radio tour, you know, twenty twelve January, Miss New Crazy

1261
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 10: comes out.

1262
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 4: Now, Oh we got it, already.

1263
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 2: Got it, we gotta got it. We got the whole

1264
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 2: story down. Then Up all Night and that was in

1265
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 2: two thousand fourteen.

1266
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 4: Here's a little Up all Night. This is a jam too.

1267
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: I gotta come back to this, but yeah, this is one.

1268
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: When I moved to town, I think this had had

1269
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: lived its life and had gone away, but was still

1270
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 1: one that people were.

1271
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 2: Kind of in love with.

1272
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 4: Still, yeah, this is one. This is one turned up

1273
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 4: a little bit, you know, the wrong baby, were getting.

1274
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: A good one?

1275
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 4: You still like that one?

1276
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, we played we still play it. I still like

1277
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 10: what I can't put down? That was right, That was

1278
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 10: right before Up all Night and I was.

1279
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 2: Like, this is it. This is the one, you know, but.

1280
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 10: It just didn't you know, tests well, and people played it,

1281
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 10: but it got the thirty three and then would put

1282
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 10: up on I O and uh, we got to put

1283
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 10: the album out and which is a big deal because

1284
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 10: you have to have some momentum in a single for

1285
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 10: them to go okay.

1286
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 4: Well, now put some money behind a full album.

1287
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 10: And it was a full album, had eleven songs on

1288
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 10: and it changed the van life basically. And so, but

1289
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 10: what my point is of California Sunrise, there's four years

1290
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 10: of writing and being on the radio. Regardless of what

1291
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 10: you know, I still was always top forty because I

1292
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 10: still have believers in country radio. No matter how high,

1293
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 10: what failures, whatever it, I still believed. Like we got

1294
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 10: in a label. Was always like, it's not a race,

1295
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 10: it's a marathon. You know, you got to take your

1296
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 10: time and like, just keep doing what you're doing.

1297
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 4: Can you believe that what was happening?

1298
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 10: You know, I never really got too worked up about

1299
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 10: it because you know, if you did listen to what

1300
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 10: I was doing, it was kind of it was kind

1301
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 10: of different. You know, it's countrier, but it was upbeat,

1302
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 10: but it was a country and I kind of came

1303
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 10: into my own, like I'm still growing up.

1304
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 2: I was only I got signed at twenty six, and

1305
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 2: I don't even know, I don't even know, I don't remember, but.

1306
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 10: I'm still growing up. As I come into a young man,

1307
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 10: into a man, and I got to do that with

1308
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 10: the record label and kind of under the radar, you know,

1309
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 10: not like just boom, here I am world. I kind

1310
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 10: of got to learn it all and not be like

1311
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 10: the the headliner, you know, where it's just like because

1312
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 10: you know sometimes like boom, I'm here, and it wasn't

1313
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 10: like that for me. And then I kind of became this,

1314
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 10: you know, this is this is who I am. When

1315
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 10: California Sunrise came out and I had friends on worked

1316
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 10: at radio, friends that listen to my music, people are

1317
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 10: giving me great advice and all that just through hard work,

1318
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 10: and what California Sunrise was me is like this is

1319
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 10: what I This is the new take on that. Four

1320
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 10: years of radio touring, country fiddle still you know, all

1321
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 10: the stuff I love, And it was just at that point.

1322
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: I remember you posted an Instagram video probably two years

1323
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: ago and it was at a festival and the entire

1324
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: crowd was singing head over Boots. I remember a message

1325
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: you go one good God, like it's this is amazing,

1326
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: Like they were singing all of it. Watershit, it was

1327
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: watersheded yeah, and George Comma Washington yeah, and it was

1328
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: the Gorge.

1329
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Gorge.

1330
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: I probably spelled him wrong. Was so exciting.

1331
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 4: Is it Gorge not George?

1332
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 2: No, it's the Gorge.

1333
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: I've played that well. I played Watershed. I thoughtay, thought

1334
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: it was George Washington. I thought it was the Gorge

1335
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: and George.

1336
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's cooler George Washington.

1337
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: I always thought that was the thing I was like,

1338
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: named George Washington.

1339
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 4: Did you ever think that, my dear tonight, I thought

1340
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 4: it was a gorge.

1341
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: Oh, it is called the Gorge. I thought it was

1342
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: the Gorge and George. Anyway, I'm an idiot. But moving on,

1343
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: I remember watching that video and going, oh, this has

1344
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: now arrived on.

1345
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 4: Kind of a macro level.

1346
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: No, it's not just a song that is cool and

1347
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: it's going to come and go like it's still the

1348
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: one when you have a whole thirty or forty thousand

1349
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: people singing every word of the Yeah.

1350
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 4: Give me some of that again.

1351
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole crowd was out of their minds

1352
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: singing that song.

1353
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 12: Bonkers.

1354
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 2: It was fun.

1355
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 10: That was That was the first that was probably one

1356
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 10: of the most surreal, Like, wow, this is the first

1357
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 10: you know, you can't get emotional and stuff, and it

1358
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 10: was that was that was really cool and uh, I

1359
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 10: always I always remember that because that.

1360
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 2: Partico there we go with them words, but.

1361
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 10: That slot was uh we finally got you know a

1362
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 10: little later on, and like Merle Haggard was supposed to

1363
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 10: play either I think right in front of me or

1364
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 10: right behind me.

1365
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1366
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 10: It was like, you know, but he passed like two

1367
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 10: months before and then then came out and played before us,

1368
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 10: and it was like kind of crazy that like with

1369
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 10: that moment and Merle Haggard was, you know, gonna play

1370
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 10: right for me, which probably would have been like no,

1371
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 10: Marl not playing before me, but it was like he

1372
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 10: just passed it, and it was It's one of those

1373
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 10: things like dang, you know, uh from that crowd and

1374
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 10: that kind of just that introspect of me and Merle

1375
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 10: would play together and it didn't happen.

1376
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: You know.

1377
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 2: It's one of the moments I'll never get.

1378
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good one just watching it so

1379
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: that that hits and then it was like, all right, right,

1380
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: what's happening next with John Party?

1381
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 4: He had head over Boots. Surelie's not gonna put another

1382
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 4: songid Boots in it.

1383
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: And then boy, did you ever I mean and you

1384
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: raised that. I mean you saw Boots and you raised

1385
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: that funkier Boots man. Yeah, what's that conversation like where

1386
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: you go, all right, we got another song that we love,

1387
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: but it's name is basically the same thing.

1388
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 4: What do we do?

1389
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: Is that a room conversation whereverybody's sitting around?

1390
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 2: Well, I, you know, I research a lot. I you know,

1391
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 2: I listen.

1392
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 4: You know.

1393
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 10: iTunes is great because they have like they have you know,

1394
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 10: things like playlists of like, hey, you know, new artists

1395
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 10: from all top of the levels, and you know, I'm

1396
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 10: always like listening and stuff and so like I do

1397
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 10: pay attention. And I pointed out that Keith Urban had

1398
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 10: two head at that year. He had cop car and

1399
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 10: then somewhere in my car and I was like, well,

1400
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 10: this is another car song, other Boots song out, you know.

1401
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 10: And my favorite was the president of Universal, Mike Dungan,

1402
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 10: was like, you know, I don't care about back to

1403
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 10: back Boots songs. I care about back to back hits.

1404
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 10: That's literally what he said. And I was like, all right,

1405
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 10: put it out.

1406
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: You know.

1407
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 2: I always say to everybody asked me, I wear boots

1408
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 2: all the time. I we're on boots right now. So

1409
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: it's not it's not like something that it is just

1410
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: a thing.

1411
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: You know.

1412
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 2: I have a lot of boots.

1413
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 4: Look at that two Boots songs in a row, you know.

1414
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: Look at that hit after it hit you started. So

1415
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: when did you go from the band of the tour bus.

1416
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: That's a big step in the life because the tour

1417
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: bus is expensive.

1418
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's still expensive.

1419
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 4: Two of them are really how you go too? Now?

1420
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 4: The humble brack right there. Oh, it's so expensive, it

1421
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 4: really is, it really is. Uh.

1422
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 10: Now went up at the end of the year when

1423
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 10: Up All Night was was peaked and we started going

1424
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 10: in and we started own records and kind of selling

1425
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 10: out clubs.

1426
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 2: We got our bush. It was fun.

1427
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 4: I want to bring up this story about you getting that.

1428
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 2: I didn't know.

1429
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 4: I felt like I knew everything about you already. I'm stalker,

1430
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 4: a big jump party fan, my man.

1431
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I know you got stabbed, uh huh in

1432
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: a belly Yeah five times?

1433
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't see.

1434
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: I didn't even know it was five times. So you're

1435
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: at you're at a like a bar.

1436
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: No, I was eighteen, So the first two or just

1437
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 2: slices on the arm. But who get so where were you.

1438
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 10: I was out in the country and I was at

1439
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 10: my one of my best friends, and we were two

1440
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 10: towns that were not rivals, which just you know, you

1441
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 10: always kind.

1442
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 2: Of have bad kids in your town.

1443
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 4: Man.

1444
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,479
Speaker 10: There's always the guys that always get in trouble or fight,

1445
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 10: you know. And uh, in this town and on name

1446
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 10: towns or anything. He got jumped by my hometown by

1447
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 10: guys I didn't even know. But he found out that

1448
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 10: I was from my hometown. And you know, we had

1449
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 10: a great time at this party. I met a bunch

1450
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 10: of new people and we were you know, I was

1451
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 10: nice to meet you. We gotta go then, and uh

1452
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 10: he was waiting outside for me and he was like

1453
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 10: having me pinned out.

1454
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 2: And I was walking back.

1455
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 10: To the to the car, and he came up and

1456
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 10: asked me where I was from, and I told where

1457
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 10: I was from. I said, yes, you know, and he

1458
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 10: popped me in his mouth, knocked me down, yeah, busting

1459
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 10: my lip.

1460
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 2: I got back up and I started, you know, I

1461
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 2: started fighting him, you know.

1462
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,439
Speaker 10: And it wasn't he said, he got scared and pulled

1463
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 10: a knife out, but he started to fight, you know,

1464
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 10: and and uh, I ended up with losing that fight.

1465
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 2: You know, you know, he's just swinging. You know, I'm

1466
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 2: not like a trained karate man or something. You know,

1467
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 2: I was just swinging. I just it's you know, had

1468
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 2: adrenaline at eighteen. It's like ah.

1469
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 10: And then I didn't even know I got stabbed, and

1470
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 10: my buddy came and broke up the fight and pushed

1471
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 10: me back in his hands full of blood. And then

1472
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 10: that was like the beginning of.

1473
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 2: The ride to the hospital. So what happens.

1474
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 10: So we're in the country and my my, my buddy,

1475
01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 10: he's now firefighter to paramedic.

1476
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 2: He was always trying to be a firefighter paramedic. So

1477
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 2: he was like, all drive, We're going to hospital.

1478
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 10: So he's like he knew the back road. So we're

1479
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 10: like screaming down his back roads. Girls are screaming and crying,

1480
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 10: calling nurses and like. So the nurse through the phone

1481
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 10: was like, you know, compressing the wounds. Took my shirt off,

1482
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,919
Speaker 10: blood everywhere you got stab what part of your belly's

1483
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 10: eleven inches across the center.

1484
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 4: Oh, he stuck it and then went across and I got.

1485
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 2: Two right on the left side.

1486
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: Wow, So you're bleeding pretty hard.

1487
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, we were bleeding, and we were bleeding.

1488
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 10: The first hospital we stopped at didn't have emergency room.

1489
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 4: It was like an animal hospital.

1490
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 2: At the time.

1491
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 10: They didn't have emergency room. So we had to drive

1492
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 10: I don't know, fifteen miles to UC Davis and we

1493
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 10: got there and they didn't even know what do me that, like,

1494
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 10: you there's not ever a feeling you want to go

1495
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 10: through when you're like going into like the sports er

1496
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 10: and like there's a guy in the football pads like

1497
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 10: busted arm and like, you know, hold. It was just

1498
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 10: kind of very calm injuries and where I busted to the.

1499
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: Door, like you know, like he's dad.

1500
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 4: It's just blood everywhere.

1501
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 10: Like I couldn't imagine being in the lobby and be like,

1502
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 10: oh my god, this guy comes in here, this blood everywhere.

1503
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 10: And so they kind of did some tests on me,

1504
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 10: like for visual and like asking me like you know,

1505
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 10: they wanted me to pee and try to see if

1506
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 10: there's blood in the her and to kind of see

1507
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 10: if they got any internal organs.

1508
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 2: And I couldn't pee. She was kind of cute nurse,

1509
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: and I was.

1510
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 10: Like she's just sitting there like pee and I'm like,

1511
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 10: I can't pee right now.

1512
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 2: Like stop it stop, I'll be fine.

1513
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 4: Uh.

1514
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 10: And so they sent me off Sacramento and ambulance and man,

1515
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 10: I was it's and then you know, going from that

1516
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 10: like kind of sports and you know, saying that they

1517
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 10: always get anybody will get bad things and you know

1518
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 10: are but when you got to a big city like Sacramento, man,

1519
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 10: there it was people were shot. One girl was to

1520
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 10: the side of me got chopped up by a bull propeller.

1521
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 10: One girls just grabs a curtain, says how Bay how man.

1522
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 10: It was like literally, like I said, I was in

1523
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 10: like this is where it goes down, like what you

1524
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 10: see on you know, durrama hospital movie or you know

1525
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 10: television shows. And and the doctor was like, oh no,

1526
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 10: there's stab victorm, you know. And he like put his

1527
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 10: glove on, put like put his fingers inside of my

1528
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 10: wounds and and just kind of felt muscle, you know,

1529
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 10: you couldn't like fill in my organs.

1530
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 7: And uh.

1531
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 10: They stitched me up and then the next day I

1532
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 10: was out and I had to have a nurse come

1533
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 10: to the house and pack my We stitched them an

1534
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 10: inch apart, so.

1535
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 2: We'd pack alcohol gauze.

1536
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,439
Speaker 10: Down in the wound, so it grew from the bottom up,

1537
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 10: so you know, you didn't just have a big hole

1538
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 10: inside your stomach.

1539
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 2: So we had to pack wound for I don't know.

1540
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 2: It was a long time ago, but.

1541
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 4: Would you ever do to that dude or get whatever

1542
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 4: happened to that dude jump back?

1543
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: No, he still happening in town. They're still paid half

1544
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: in each other every month. You know.

1545
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 10: He uh, he got away with he has a phony

1546
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 10: and he got away with I saw with the dead weapon,

1547
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 10: a deadly weapon. And uh, two years later, you know,

1548
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 10: I was I needed some money and there.

1549
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 2: Was some he he had got a job, and he

1550
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 2: offered to pay the restitution.

1551
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 10: And uh, in all realness, like he looked at me

1552
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 10: like he messed up, Like that's I didn't talk to him,

1553
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 10: but you know, it was just kind of that moment because.

1554
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, we're all young.

1555
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 10: You know, I'm just thankful to be a lie basically

1556
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 10: and not peeing out of a bag for the rest

1557
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 10: of my life, you know, because there was that option,

1558
01:07:58,840 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 10: and uh.

1559
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, wait, what's that option? I don't know.

1560
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 10: Well, you got you get cut cut right, you know,

1561
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 10: and your your center and your all your organs. I

1562
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 10: don't know that that's that's that's what somebody told me.

1563
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 10: But that may not even be true. But regardless, I survived.

1564
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 10: I didn't die. Nothing really bad happened. I got big

1565
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 10: scars across my stomach and I was, you know, I

1566
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 10: was getting ready to move to Nashville. You know that

1567
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 10: that would help out with the whole move, you know.

1568
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 2: And uh, he paid me like.

1569
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,600
Speaker 10: I don't know, eight or nine grand and and uh

1570
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 10: I got to keep it and he he got to

1571
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 10: live a life of a felony, which isn't easy.

1572
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 2: And but I did, you know it was no. I

1573
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 2: think we both moved on and he's looking for better things,

1574
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 2: you know.

1575
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 4: And that guy's name is Dirks Bentley.

1576
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 2: And that's how I met Dirk's Bentley.

1577
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 4: And that's the rest of the story.

1578
01:08:52,640 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 8: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome back to

1579
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 8: the Bobby Cast.

1580
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: Bred Eldridge got super vulnerable and talked about the terrible

1581
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: anxiety that he had early in his career.

1582
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: It's funny.

1583
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: We were talking about Kip with the phones and I've

1584
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: Kip and I have a friendship that has grown over

1585
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: first fighting lot and then like, hey, we're both weird

1586
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: introverted people. Let's probably be on the same team we had.

1587
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: We had the same team talk at a coffee shop

1588
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: one morning. Our relationship had gotten actually really good since then,

1589
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: so I say, this is a friend.

1590
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 4: But Kip and I were sitting and I think I

1591
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 4: do Kip does?

1592
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 12: I don't know?

1593
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 1: Probably you because you're an artist a heart. We have

1594
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: huge insecurity issues. Oh yeah, like we may be these

1595
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: larger than life characters on stage behind the microphone, but

1596
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: really it all comes down to we're searching for some

1597
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: kind of love. Oh yeah, we're in some place searching

1598
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: for some kind of love. And Kip and I were

1599
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: talking about watching a crowd and for me, if I'm

1600
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: doing a stand up, I can't look at faces because

1601
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 1: if I see someone's face and they're not laughing, I go, oh,

1602
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 1: I must be bombing.

1603
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 4: So I just look at foreheads.

1604
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 1: I can't look at face and kept we'll go oh,

1605
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 1: I'll see someone not having a good time, and it'll

1606
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 1: throw me. It'll completely throw me from doing a show.

1607
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: Do you will you look down and see people not

1608
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 1: feeling it? And or do you let that affect you? Oh?

1609
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 13: Yeah, I've had times where it really affected me that

1610
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 13: my my thing that I've you know, you have certain

1611
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 13: fans that are I almost always have fans that I

1612
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,839
Speaker 13: know are going to be repeat fans, like for different shows,

1613
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 13: and if I know out they're there, and if I'm

1614
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 13: feeling like if I see some people that I don't

1615
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 13: know if they're really totally into it, it kind of messes

1616
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 13: me up. I I because I struggled with that for

1617
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 13: a while. Then I would start looking at my fans

1618
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 13: that are my diehard fans that are always there for me,

1619
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 13: and I see them singing the words, I'm like, oh man,

1620
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 13: they care, they care, and so I try to That's

1621
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 13: how I've tried to figure out how to shift it,

1622
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 13: and that's helped me. But yeah, that's that is That's

1623
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 13: a weird feeling because you're given everything of yourself and

1624
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 13: you know, and somebody you want every single person to

1625
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 13: feel as passionate about it as you are, and the

1626
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 13: truth is it's never gonna be. No, there's never been

1627
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 13: an artist that can do that.

1628
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: And I do feel it's a bit unfair for us

1629
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 1: as people, if on the stage performing to judge people

1630
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:14,600
Speaker 1: based on just their outward reactions, because if I'm comparing

1631
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: myself or yourself. We're watching a movie. Unless they're watching

1632
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 1: the same movie, we may react absolutely different to watching

1633
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: old school.

1634
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 4: Now.

1635
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: I may be laughing out loud. You may be enjoying

1636
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 1: it the same amount, but laughing in a different way.

1637
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: You keep it outside, but that doesn't mean somebody is

1638
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: not enjoying it as much as the other person. But

1639
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 1: when we step away, it's so easy for us. You

1640
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 1: can't disconnect from that in a show. But we just

1641
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 1: feel like, oh.

1642
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 13: I haven't thought about that, and that's that's really good

1643
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 13: to talk about that because it's a it's the hardest

1644
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 13: thing to explain to anybody, and there's so many people

1645
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 13: that get And I've never really talked about this, but

1646
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 13: I used to get nervous about I used to be.

1647
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 13: I'm I was born a warrior, like worry, anxiety, all that,

1648
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 13: and I so I used to I was never afraid

1649
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 13: to go on stage. I'm not like I'd love to perform.

1650
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 13: I'm actually the most comfortable doing that a lot of time.

1651
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 13: But before it, I was like if I was worn out,

1652
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 13: I'm a terrible sleep. I used to be a real

1653
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 13: bad at sleeping all this stuff, and so I had

1654
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 13: this little period where I was not sleeping much, and

1655
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 13: then I would I'll get to the point where I

1656
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 13: was about to go on stage and I would get

1657
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 13: short of breadth.

1658
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 4: I think I was going to pass out.

1659
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 13: I have because I thought, Okay, well I'm gonna I'm

1660
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 13: going to fail in front of all these people. I'm

1661
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 13: going to pass out or something, which you know, you're

1662
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 13: not going to dive from passing out in front everybody,

1663
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 13: and I'm probably not going to pass out. But I

1664
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 13: was telling myself that. So I was learning that. So

1665
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 13: I had all these these things and all these things

1666
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 13: because you're about to go give all yourself and you

1667
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 13: don't want to see yourself fail. And I don't have

1668
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 13: that anymore, really, I mean, you still have some days

1669
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 13: you're like, God, I'm so tired.

1670
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 1: You know.

1671
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 13: Sometimes you're headlining at festival or show at eleven o'clock

1672
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 13: at night.

1673
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 2: I wake up at seven o'clock, so you have the whole.

1674
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 13: Day to think about a show, and I've had to

1675
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 13: try to forgure out ways keep your mind busy. You're

1676
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 13: here for a reason. You're you're playing this show because

1677
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 13: people are coming.

1678
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 4: Here to love you.

1679
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 13: But it is it's a complete mind game. As performer

1680
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 13: he gives. You know, it's a major sacrifice throughout that

1681
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 13: all day to you to be up there for an

1682
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 13: hour and a half and you and you have to

1683
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 13: get your mind right to that point of the show,

1684
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 13: athlete even.

1685
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's a lot of downtime. You got

1686
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 1: your ninety minutes to perform, and it all is inside

1687
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 1: that ninety minutes.

1688
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 4: Yep.

1689
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: And then if you don't, you got a lot of

1690
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 1: game tape to watch the next time.

1691
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 4: And you're going to think about it. You can't not

1692
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 4: think about it. Yeah, all right.

1693
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:32,839
Speaker 2: So you talk about sleeping.

1694
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: I've had real bad issues with sleeping, and a lot

1695
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: of mind comes from a mile PTSD stuff. I got

1696
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 1: jumped and robbed a gun point, stuff like that. You know,

1697
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 1: anxiety issues from that. What's your issue with sleeping?

1698
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 2: What was it?

1699
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 4: Anxiety?

1700
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 2: Just right about? What do you know?

1701
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 4: Dumb stuff?

1702
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 13: I mean, you know, I thought, honestly, I so, I

1703
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 13: mean I tried everything. I mean I would try and medicase,

1704
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 13: I would try whatever it was to try to get sleep.

1705
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 4: Never like a problem with it. I would just you know,

1706
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 4: try to figure it out.

1707
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 2: Stay sick. I stayed sick. Oh yeah, constantly run down.

1708
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: I wasn't getting it.

1709
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 13: And if if you feel like you're never going to

1710
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 13: get out of it. And it's not like I still

1711
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 13: don't have bad nights to sleep, but i'd sleep great last night.

1712
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 13: But it doesn't mean like you know, if you tell

1713
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 13: yourself you're not going to you're not a good sleeper.

1714
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 4: You're not going to be a good sleeper, you know

1715
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 4: what I mean?

1716
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 1: Like a lot of the time thing where you close

1717
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: your eyes and you go fall asleep. Right now, I

1718
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: get five hours twenty seven, oh yeah, thirty seconds.

1719
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 13: Yeah, then you then then another hour goes by, and

1720
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:33,679
Speaker 13: then I got this.

1721
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: Four hours twenty seven and thirteen seconds.

1722
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1723
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 1: And so I tried the I tried antidepressants for a while.

1724
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:41,520
Speaker 2: I tried.

1725
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: Xan x, the alpaslem for a while. I've tried I've

1726
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 1: tried everything but smoking weed. And I I was talking

1727
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: to front even today because I have I've never drank

1728
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 1: alcohol or smoke weed, but I want to do both.

1729
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: But I just know I would do all the both.

1730
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: Like if I started, I would do it, and I wouldn't.

1731
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: I would be like a I'll take that and I'll

1732
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: have all of that and go ahead and give me

1733
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: the rest of all that that's just how I live

1734
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: my life or everything. But I went to the dentist

1735
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: today just to get a fix. They put a temporary

1736
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: on and they gave me the laughing gas.

1737
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 4: Yeah. I got so high.

1738
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 2: And then I don't.

1739
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: I don't relax have trouble relaxing this in general. I

1740
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 1: got so high. I became so relaxed. I started to

1741
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:27,799
Speaker 1: have these really deep emotional sharing within my self thoughts,

1742
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, if this is what it's like

1743
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: to get high, I gotta do this.

1744
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1745
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,560
Speaker 1: And I felt like I could go to sleep or

1746
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 1: I could stay awake. I just felt great. So I

1747
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 1: was talking to a friend and she was like, you

1748
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 1: should try the gummies. But I hear a snoopg talk

1749
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 1: about this stuff and he's like, don't eat it. He's like,

1750
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,799
Speaker 1: you can't control it if you If you eat it,

1751
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: you can't control it.

1752
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 4: Man. I just don't like eating.

1753
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 12: I don't.

1754
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: I don't like hot this, smoking anything. It seems like

1755
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 1: it would just be pain on the lawn. A cigarettes, yeah,

1756
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 1: I actually never re smiled a cigarets. That that heat

1757
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: going into the I don't like I don't drink coffee. Yeah,

1758
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: because I mean I've tasted coffee once. No way, I'm

1759
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,759
Speaker 1: not against coffee. Yeah, I mean it's not a moral

1760
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 1: church of coffee. You have issues with sleeping. But also

1761
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,719
Speaker 1: sounds like when you talk that have you been in therapy,

1762
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: because you sound like, Okay, I get it because again

1763
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:22,919
Speaker 1: I'm just looking.

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01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 13: At I'm like, I'm very and I've I've just recently

1765
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 13: started becoming very open with it because I mean, I

1766
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 13: feel like everybody should go to therapy. Honestly, me too.

1767
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 13: I mean it's it's for me too. And it's not

1768
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 13: like you're not crazy, you're not whatever. We all have anxieties,

1769
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 13: we all have worries, we all have I mean, it's human,

1770
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 13: the most human thing we were.

1771
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 4: This is how we're built.

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01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 13: And for me, it got to a place where I

1773
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 13: was like, I'm not I'm really good at covering that up.

1774
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:56,640
Speaker 13: And I wasn't like depressed or like major. I was

1775
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 13: just always worried about stuff and it totally throws your

1776
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 13: body out of a whack and so I was I

1777
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 13: was like, I'm tired of this. So I actually got

1778
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 13: into mindfulness. So meditating really helped me a lot.

1779
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 4: You able to do that, I have trouble. It's hard.

1780
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 2: I have trouble.

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01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 4: It's hard. I mean I've been doing over like a

1782
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 4: year and.

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Speaker 1: A half, likesidental, like what kind of meditation, just like

1784
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 1: mostly just sign like so I did the apps, So

1785
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 1: I did. I started with headspace. Tell me about that.

1786
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: I've done the sleep app. I haven't done any meditation.

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Speaker 13: Head Space is great. It just kind of walks you through.

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01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 13: It's not like one of those things where you're feeling

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01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 13: very sleepy or you know whatever. It's very much like,

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01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 13: all right, now, take your now. No, you might feel

1791
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 13: yourself your mind wandering and having all these thoughts throughout

1792
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 13: the day whatever, I'll take it back to the breath

1793
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 13: and so you you switch your focus back to the

1794
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 13: breath and you just focus on your breath. It's pretty

1795
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 13: much just training your brain to see thoughts is just thoughts,

1796
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 13: because we have thousands of thoughts every day, all of them,

1797
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 13: almost all of them are crap. They're just worthless, you know.

1798
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 13: I mean you can tell I've studied a lot of this,

1799
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,719
Speaker 13: but it is the truth. I have so many thoughts.

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01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 13: So I think the most that it's taught me is

1801
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 13: to not sweat that stuff as much, not that I

1802
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 13: don't still.

1803
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 4: I mean you still. You never get rid of anxiety.

1804
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 13: You just have a different relationship with and I think

1805
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:12,640
Speaker 13: through a lot of different things, I've I've got a

1806
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 13: different relationship with it. And I used to not be

1807
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 13: able to enjoy tour and all that kind of stuff

1808
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 13: near as much because you'd always be worrying about worrying

1809
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 13: about feeling this way. Then you're feeling more that way,

1810
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 13: and it's like it doesn't have to be that way.

1811
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 13: And so I think now to more, I've got uh

1812
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 13: And I mean this is really one of the most

1813
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 13: open I've ever really talked about it, But I've got

1814
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 13: way more. I want to help other people realize that

1815
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 13: happens to everybody. It's not a big deal. It sucks,

1816
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 13: but it's real and you can you can get through that.

1817
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: So you know why it sucks? Is it not enough

1818
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: people talk about it? I know I grew up like

1819
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 1: you in a really small town. Therapy wasn't a thing.

1820
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 1: Oh no, it was more like you got to pay

1821
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 1: the bills, So therapy doesn't matter. You know, when you're

1822
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: trying to buy Manwich, there's not money for therapy or

1823
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: even to know that mental illness is like a real

1824
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: life thing. And I'm not even a mental I'm just

1825
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: talking about any sort of therapy like it. Just so

1826
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: I remember going and I was like, this is my insurance,

1827
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: so I can actually go talk to someone. And it

1828
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 1: was talking to someone who did not have a bias.

1829
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 1: Yes that would judge zone call you not only on

1830
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: your crap, but also tell you when things were good,

1831
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: so you could trust both. And we're both in a

1832
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,600
Speaker 1: position too, where we're in a creative space where if

1833
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: we're doing well, there are a lot of people tell

1834
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: us how cool we are, and it's it gets harder

1835
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 1: and harder to separate. I wrote my new book that

1836
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: came out of this week. I have a whole thing

1837
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 1: about trusting a certain few people that will tell you suck.

1838
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:36,759
Speaker 1: But everybody will tell you suck. But if you find

1839
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: the people that you trust to tell you suck, whenever

1840
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 1: they tell you that you do really good, you can

1841
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 1: believe them. And that's the hardest thing. It's not hard

1842
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,680
Speaker 1: to find somebody to tell you suck. Trust me. All

1843
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 1: I got is go to Facebook right now, and I

1844
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: got a thousand people telling me and we naturally search

1845
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 1: for that stuff too. It falls right in our lap

1846
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 1: or just stare at it, and people are loving us

1847
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,719
Speaker 1: all around us, but we're looking at this little angry

1848
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 1: monster and that we're like, what's up? But you can

1849
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 1: you came to see me. But if you find someone

1850
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 1: that can say, hey, I don't know about that. But

1851
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 1: then when they do say, oh, I do know about this,

1852
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 1: you trust that good because they're able to tell you

1853
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,719
Speaker 1: whenever they feel it's not good. I found that with therapy.

1854
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: Then I've started to be able to find it with friends.

1855
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 1: But I had to find it with me first before

1856
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 1: it was anything else. I had to go in and

1857
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 1: trust the process a bit, a little, only a little,

1858
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: trust that it was the process.

1859
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 2: But therapy changed me.

1860
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: And listen, I'm still in my thirties, I'm single, I'm married,

1861
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 1: I got no kids. Like I struggle with relationships and

1862
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 1: trust I do. Yeah, bridges raise his hand too. But

1863
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: for me, it showed me that I'm struggling. Before I

1864
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: just didn't know, like what's the problem? Why am I?

1865
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 1: But now I see there's a struggle and the first

1866
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: and best way to talk about this. And as you

1867
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 1: were saying these words, the words that I hear all

1868
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: the time because I read about it, and I go

1869
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 1: to therapy, I'm like, oh, he's had some sort of

1870
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 1: self reflection in some way, and I like that, and

1871
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: I commend you that.

1872
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 13: Yeah, well the same here, And I think I think

1873
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 13: it's it's up to you know, each of us to

1874
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 13: try to get everybody to look at that and just

1875
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 13: say you're not crazy for going to get help from

1876
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 13: orders telling or even going through a friend or whatever.

1877
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 4: I mean, does it have to normal?

1878
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 1: You're normal, You have this stuff, totally normal, I mean,

1879
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 1: but nobody talks about it, so then you feel isolated

1880
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 1: and alone when you're feeling these well, I'm the.

1881
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 13: Only person that I just feel like, no, try hundreds

1882
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 13: of millions of people.

1883
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: Nobody's post on Instagram, so it can't be real.

1884
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's a feeling of it because they know, yeah exactly.

1885
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: Walker Hayes talks about trying to make ends meet early

1886
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: on and what helped him stay motivated when times are tough.

1887
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 1: So you you decide we're moving to Nashville just from

1888
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: one night of playing in front of people.

1889
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty wild.

1890
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 14: I mean, I played, had such a great time. I

1891
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 14: called Lanny said, I don't want to move to Nashville

1892
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 14: to sing that was it?

1893
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 4: So I want to go, what's her action? Uh? You know,

1894
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 4: I think she was pretty adventurous.

1895
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 14: You know, at the time we were kids excited about

1896
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 14: you know, getting out of town. She was with it.

1897
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 14: I mean, oddly enough, there was no second guessing on

1898
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 14: her part.

1899
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 4: She was ready to go.

1900
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: And so what was your style back then?

1901
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 4: So my style back then? I remember two songs that

1902
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 4: I played.

1903
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 14: One was sitting on the dock of the bay, and

1904
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 14: then didn't Adobie Gray drift Away? Yeah, drift I guess

1905
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 14: drift Away. And uh I only played like five songs.

1906
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 14: I just played them over and over and so yeah,

1907
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 14: I mean I was just gonna come up and sing,

1908
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 14: you know, move to Nashville, try to be a rock.

1909
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 4: Star, make it. Yeah I did.

1910
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 14: I was dumb enough to be like, yeah, I'm gonna go,

1911
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 14: you know, and figure this out.

1912
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 4: Be famous. I mean I knew nobody.

1913
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,600
Speaker 14: We had a great time picking out our apartment and

1914
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 14: stuff like that. Honestly, meeting with her parents, they were

1915
01:22:56,439 --> 01:23:00,080
Speaker 14: really frightened and just thought I was nuts. You know,

1916
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 14: this was not This was on such a whim and

1917
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 14: the security that I had, you know, and mobile made

1918
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 14: a lot more sense. To them and so yeah, I mean, man,

1919
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 14: we just found an apartment, got married, and drove up here.

1920
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: So you move here? And what does one do when

1921
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 1: you don't know anybody into town like Nashville and you

1922
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: want to make music?

1923
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:20,719
Speaker 2: Like, what's the first step? You go outside?

1924
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,640
Speaker 14: And man, I mean, as cliche as it sounds, the

1925
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 14: absolute first thing I did was go sign up for

1926
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 14: an open mic night at the Bluebird. I was I

1927
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 14: don't remember exactly what number I chose, you know, to

1928
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 14: get selected that night, But so you played the first

1929
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 14: night you went. I came on a Monday night, stood

1930
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 14: in the line, got selected. They were about to call

1931
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 14: my name, but I realized that everybody in there was

1932
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 14: playing songs that they had written, and I showed up

1933
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 14: to play covers. So we left and then I came

1934
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 14: back the next Monday with a couple of songs that

1935
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 14: I wrote that week and then performed and it was.

1936
01:23:58,720 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 4: The same rush.

1937
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 1: Know, so the first time you went, you end up

1938
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 1: not playing.

1939
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 14: Well, I check it out, but you know, I wasn't

1940
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 14: about to get up and play that.

1941
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 4: I was gonna play drift.

1942
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 1: Away, give Me the Bee Boy Free? And what did

1943
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 1: you write that you something? I wrote so so you

1944
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 1: first time you don't do it. The second time you

1945
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 1: go and you do it. What did you play? What

1946
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 1: song you remember?

1947
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 2: I do?

1948
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 14: I remember I played a song about as short of

1949
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 14: a time period as we had been married. I learned

1950
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,759
Speaker 14: very quickly that when you bring up the in loss

1951
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:31,719
Speaker 14: that your significant other gets really pissed.

1952
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 4: And so I wrote a song about that.

1953
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 14: And it was kind of a joke, you know, a

1954
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 14: funny song, and uh, I don't remember the title of it.

1955
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,799
Speaker 14: And I played too and I just remember the crowd reacting,

1956
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 14: you know, they laughed, they had a great time, and

1957
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 14: they went nuts.

1958
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 4: It's a real supportive crowd, and the Bluebergs.

1959
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 14: They're there to hear the writer performing their songs, so

1960
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 14: they went nuts. And it was not I didn't like

1961
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:54,719
Speaker 14: get a deal or anything quick.

1962
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 4: You know.

1963
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 1: Did you feel like after that night, though, that you

1964
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: had submitted a little more in your head, like I

1965
01:24:59,240 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: can do this.

1966
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 4: Uh?

1967
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 14: I didn't really think about whether I could or not.

1968
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 14: I just did, you know what I'm saying. And I

1969
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 14: also it was like a drug, I mean honestly, but

1970
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 14: since then, I haven't stopped writing songs. It's just I

1971
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 14: fell in love with that that conceiving the idea, putting

1972
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 14: it together, playing it for somebody, getting their reaction, moving

1973
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 14: on to the next one. You know, my favorite song

1974
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 14: is always the one I'm working on right now, and

1975
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 14: that's kind of how it been since then. It just

1976
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,720
Speaker 14: it pretty much consumes my life and has since then.

1977
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 4: So how long.

1978
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: Until you get and I'm assuming you're getting into publishing

1979
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: deal first, which is what happened to they pay you

1980
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 1: to write songs. How long did it take from you

1981
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 1: playing that bluebird till you getting a publishing deal?

1982
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 2: So had I had a day job.

1983
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 14: I booked motivational speakers at Premiere Speakers Bureau in Franklin.

1984
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,599
Speaker 1: Like what motivational speakers ran through in Franklin.

1985
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 4: A lot of right.

1986
01:25:56,439 --> 01:26:01,440
Speaker 14: Wing conservatives, old Steelers player Rocky Bleier, a couple of authors,

1987
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 14: Oliver North and the guy Sean Hennity. We booked them.

1988
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 14: Uh some of those were exclusive. Sorry again trying to

1989
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:12,759
Speaker 14: get rid of that tic.

1990
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 4: Uh but yeah, just I booked them and uh lost.

1991
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 14: I actually lost my job in a year and then

1992
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 14: I got a pub deal. So it took me a

1993
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 14: year and a couple of months to secure a pub deal.

1994
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: So in that year, you're just writing and sending songs

1995
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: to people going, hey you check it out.

1996
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 4: No, in that year I was working, you know, that

1997
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 4: was No. Nine to five.

1998
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 14: My clientele was West Coast event planner, so I got

1999
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 14: to show up a little bit later and stay a

2000
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 14: little longer. But I was writing songs while I was working,

2001
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 14: you know, on my computer, just loading it up. And yeah,

2002
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 14: I mean playing open mic nights anybody I could ever

2003
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 14: get my songs in front of. Obviously I was trying

2004
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:55,839
Speaker 14: to do that, playing all the local you know, songwriter

2005
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 14: nights that I could. And yeah, I wasn't really comparing

2006
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 14: myself to other people. I just love, like I said,

2007
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 14: I loved, loved, loved writing, I mean obsessed with writing.

2008
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:09,759
Speaker 1: So you write and you start to get paid to write.

2009
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:12,759
Speaker 1: And what did your first cut?

2010
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:14,719
Speaker 4: Shoot? Man?

2011
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 14: I mean, my my first pub deal actually got me

2012
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 14: a record deal first.

2013
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 4: I mean I didn't get a cut.

2014
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 1: So your pub deal got you a record deal first?

2015
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:27,799
Speaker 1: Is this the Keith Urban Demo story? No, that's that's capital.

2016
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:28,720
Speaker 1: That's the second deal.

2017
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 14: The first pub deal I ever got was from a

2018
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 14: neighbor heard me messing around on the porch. He said, man,

2019
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 14: I really like what you do. I'm gonna take you

2020
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 14: to introduce you to two or three people. He brought

2021
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:43,919
Speaker 14: me into town. I met two big time producers Franklin.

2022
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,719
Speaker 14: In Franklin, here's your porch, here's me on the porch.

2023
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2024
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 14: He's like, dude, I really love your voice. Did you

2025
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 14: write that? I'm like, yeah, you want to hear some more?

2026
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 14: And up I wrote a song about his kid, whose

2027
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 14: name is Hogan, which that was a business move right there.

2028
01:27:57,320 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 14: I was like, dude, if I write somebody's kid, really,

2029
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 14: you know, hooked me up. So he takes me into town,

2030
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 14: introduced me to introduces me to Scott Hendricks, David Malloy,

2031
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 14: and a guy named Christy DiNapoli. And Christy wanted to

2032
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 14: sign me to a pub deal. The other two wanted

2033
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 14: to maybe cut some sides and do the shoppy thingy

2034
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 14: and I wasn't really ready for that. I just wanted

2035
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 14: to write, you know, really bad. I wanted to get

2036
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 14: paid to write songs, and at that time I only

2037
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 14: had one kid, so I didn't have to make that

2038
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 14: much money. And so anyway, Christy signed me under a

2039
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 14: guy named Buddy Killing, who's gone now but great. First

2040
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 14: publisher to have learned a lot from that guy and

2041
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 14: Alison Jones. I know this is the industry, but signed

2042
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:43,480
Speaker 14: me at Mercury.

2043
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 1: And so you get a publishing a deal and a

2044
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 1: record deal basically at the same time.

2045
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 14: Well, I got a pub deal and then we worked

2046
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:52,759
Speaker 14: on it, you know, and he had cut some sides

2047
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 14: there and then they shot me and then got me

2048
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 14: my first record development deal.

2049
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 1: So when you get signed to a development deal, what

2050
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 1: do they start doing with you? Where do they develop?

2051
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 14: So the development deal basically got me James Stroud, great producer.

2052
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:08,640
Speaker 4: He cut some sides on me.

2053
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 14: So what we did is just accumulate songs, kept writing

2054
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 14: for a little while, chose the best ones, went in

2055
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 14: the studio, cut them with an excellent band. So that

2056
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 14: was my first experience with that, you know, And of

2057
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 14: course we came home with five songs. I thought I

2058
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 14: was gonna be Garth Brooks, were you I sounded like him? Yeah,

2059
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 14: it sounded better than Now. I was not Garth Brooks.

2060
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 14: I had some great stuff, you know, looking back, I

2061
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 14: think some of those sides were good.

2062
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 4: But there was a.

2063
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 14: Falling out within the company and it wasn't long till

2064
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 14: I was off that that labeled me and that that

2065
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 14: deal expired pretty quick.

2066
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 4: So you're on. Did you put a record out? I didn't.

2067
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:51,600
Speaker 14: I cut five sides, literally celebrated the cutting.

2068
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 4: My first five songs. You cut five songs. Yeah, I'm

2069
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 4: going We're beside myself and this stuff sounds so great.

2070
01:29:58,000 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 2: Uh.

2071
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 4: We finished those in a December.

2072
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 14: I got a call in January saying that James Stroud

2073
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 14: was gone from the label and that they he had

2074
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 14: parted with co you know, head People, and Alison Jones

2075
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 14: was leaving and I wasn't.

2076
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 4: I wasn't on the label anymore. But the label stayed.

2077
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 4: Label stayed.

2078
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you never put out a single?

2079
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 4: No, never put out a single. Did you tell a

2080
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 4: publishing deal? I did? Okay, still writing.

2081
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:28,640
Speaker 14: Still writing, and still still still trying to get outside cuts,

2082
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 14: but did not get outside cuts.

2083
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 1: So you have to go to another try to get

2084
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:35,599
Speaker 1: how long until you get signed to a different label.

2085
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 14: So after that it took me two years to get

2086
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 14: another label.

2087
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:42,680
Speaker 4: That is this when Urban here's your This is.

2088
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 14: When Autumn House, a friend of mine, pitched the song

2089
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 14: for Keith Urban. Keith Urban did not take the song,

2090
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 14: but the A and R rep at Capitol Autumn House said,

2091
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 14: I like this guy singing, I like this writing style.

2092
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 14: You know, who is this kid? And they said it's

2093
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 14: Walker Hayes, you know. And within a couple of months

2094
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 14: I had a deal in Capital. A lot of my

2095
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 14: deals came pretty quick, you know, deals are hard to get,

2096
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 14: but my first two just kind of fell into my lap.

2097
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 14: I mean they just kind of came out of nowhere

2098
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 14: for me.

2099
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 1: So you get a deal, you start to cut songs

2100
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 1: again or to use your old song.

2101
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 4: Oh.

2102
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,480
Speaker 14: Man, when I got a deal at Capital, I was writing.

2103
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 4: You go through the producer search, you know.

2104
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:32,360
Speaker 14: I was on Capital two years probably before we even decided,

2105
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 14: you know, to try a single.

2106
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 1: You had been signed for two years before you put

2107
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 1: a song out.

2108
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think I've been a Capital around that time.

2109
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 4: So frustrating. Yeah, it was, yeah, it was.

2110
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 14: I mean we were looking for the right producer. We

2111
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 14: tried some, we cut some. They just didn't didn't blow

2112
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:49,560
Speaker 14: our minds.

2113
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 4: You know.

2114
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 1: So then you have your first song. What's your first thingle.

2115
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 4: My first single was pants?

2116
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 2: All right?

2117
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 4: I like that look you're giving you by write that

2118
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 4: I did. I wrote it for my wife my cringe.

2119
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 14: I don't know, man, you know, I just hear it,

2120
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:19,759
Speaker 14: and uh, it just doesn't sound you know, it doesn't

2121
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 14: sound that great.

2122
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:21,679
Speaker 4: I just don't.

2123
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 14: I don't hear it like I did then when when

2124
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 14: I heard it then, I just I just thought, this

2125
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 14: is gonna be amazing. And I don't know, I just

2126
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 14: hear it now and it just the Maybe I've gotten

2127
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:36,720
Speaker 14: better at writing, you know, and I.

2128
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 4: Can just see the holes in there.

2129
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:43,680
Speaker 14: But yeah, I cringe, just like hearing myself on a

2130
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 14: answering machine.

2131
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 4: How the single do? I have no idea?

2132
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 14: The song was added heavily, you know, right off the back,

2133
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 14: and uh, you know, I saw success coming my way

2134
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 14: quick and h then it just hit a wall and uh,

2135
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:07,640
Speaker 14: some people were slow to pick it up, and it

2136
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 14: went to thirty eight, and eventually, you know, Mike Dungan

2137
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 14: and Capital pulled it and they decided to go with

2138
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 14: another one shortly after that.

2139
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 2: What song was?

2140
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:20,720
Speaker 4: After that one?

2141
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 14: They went with a song called why Wait for Summer?

2142
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 14: And it did not do as well those pants.

2143
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 1: If you have two singles that didn't work, did they

2144
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:30,720
Speaker 1: drop you or are they? We're gonna work on some

2145
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 1: other stuff.

2146
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 4: So we chilled out for a long time.

2147
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 14: You know, I got put on the back Burner and

2148
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 14: I sat for a long long time, and man, honestly,

2149
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 14: just to give Capital some credit, I mean they believed,

2150
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 14: I mean, they believed hardcore and they stuck their neck

2151
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 14: out for me. I didn't fully understand, you know, the

2152
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 14: need for the machine. I didn't know how the biz

2153
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 14: really worked, you know at that time. Uh, you know,

2154
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:02,000
Speaker 14: there was a little bit of arrogance. I'm not the

2155
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 14: most coachable human being on the planet, and that kind

2156
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:09,559
Speaker 14: of you know, shot me in the foot back then.

2157
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 14: But yeah, we sat for a long time. I continue

2158
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:16,520
Speaker 14: to just write and write and try to give them

2159
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 14: that one, you know that they felt confident, you know,

2160
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 14: if you're gonna go three deep, that third one, I

2161
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 14: mean that's your hell Mary right there, you know, especially

2162
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 14: if the first two have flopped.

2163
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:30,600
Speaker 4: So I fought and fought.

2164
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:33,759
Speaker 14: You know, to write and to get that that song,

2165
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 14: the one, and man just couldn't find it, and.

2166
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:41,679
Speaker 4: You know, eventually got dropped.

2167
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 14: And uh yeah, I mean that was that was the

2168
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 14: beginning of some dark some dark times right there.

2169
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 1: So you get dropped every second label. Yeah, what year

2170
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 1: was that, you.

2171
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:55,560
Speaker 14: Know, let's see, it's twenty seventeen, sixty fifteen. For probably fourteen,

2172
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:56,759
Speaker 14: beginning fourteen.

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01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 1: So you get dropped in twenty fourteen, So what do you.

2174
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 4: Do well at that period?

2175
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 14: I think I have four kids, So I'm still not

2176
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:11,559
Speaker 14: I'm still not, uh truly buried in finance, financial woes.

2177
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:13,800
Speaker 14: But I had a pub deal. You know, I'm still

2178
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 14: my my publishers. That's one thing that's that I've always

2179
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:20,720
Speaker 14: had as a pub deal, publishers that believe that I

2180
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 14: can get outside cuts.

2181
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 4: You know. So at that time, I didn't.

2182
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,400
Speaker 14: I wouldn't say I just shut the artist thing down,

2183
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,800
Speaker 14: but I wrote, man, I aimed and aimed to get

2184
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:34,519
Speaker 14: outside cuts. You know, I wanted outside country cuts. I

2185
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:38,600
Speaker 14: wanted these mainstream artists, uh to to you know, I

2186
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:41,280
Speaker 14: just knew somebody who's gonna cut one of my songs,

2187
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 14: It's gonna be huge, kind of solidify me as spot

2188
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 14: in that writer community.

2189
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 4: And uh, I.

2190
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 14: Eventually did get a cut from Rodney Atkins. Uh he

2191
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 14: cut one of my songs called Touching Feet, and uh

2192
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 14: it was you know, it was a great motivation, you know,

2193
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 14: to keep on writing.

2194
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 4: Didn't end up being a single, But hey.

2195
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 1: What about this here a Cold Fort song, dirty.

2196
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:10,719
Speaker 4: Side dude, I love this song.

2197
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:11,599
Speaker 2: This is my jams.

2198
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 14: You write it, Yeah, you're on Coult. Yeah he featured me,

2199
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:20,719
Speaker 14: so you wrote we wrote it together. Yeah, I'm super

2200
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 14: appreciative feature.

2201
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the perfect girl. Man, I'm gonna tell

2202
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 4: you everywhere stopped looking at the magazine's head on out.

2203
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 4: So you're writing, you're out.

2204
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 1: You don't have artists he all right, which you probably

2205
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:34,479
Speaker 1: still want even though you're you still want to be

2206
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 1: the artist, right, but you do you want to be

2207
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 1: the writer. You talk about having dark times like your mind,

2208
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 1: just like they.

2209
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 14: Tell you what the darkest period I ever experienced here

2210
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,120
Speaker 14: in Nashville was past these cuts.

2211
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:50,840
Speaker 4: You know, you get a couple of cuts.

2212
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:53,800
Speaker 14: And I'm still I'm not able to I mean, I'm

2213
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 14: barely supporting this, you know what I'm saying. The money

2214
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 14: is not just rolling in from from these types of cuts.

2215
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 14: I'm I'm not having hit singles, which is kind of

2216
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 14: what you gotta have, you know nowadays to thrive as

2217
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 14: a writer, you gotta have one every now and then.

2218
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 4: I'm loving what I'm doing.

2219
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:12,719
Speaker 14: I mean, i feel like I'm getting better and better

2220
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 14: and so much closer to dialing it in, you know,

2221
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 14: with with what artists need and what they want and

2222
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:23,360
Speaker 14: getting those outside cuts. But I'm playing at Pucket's boat

2223
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 14: House and money gets real tight. I'm talking seriously tight,

2224
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:31,120
Speaker 14: and uh, I don't really like to ask for help.

2225
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 4: And I had toyed with.

2226
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,720
Speaker 14: You know, getting kind of a second gig, and I

2227
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:39,839
Speaker 14: remember this this night I will never forget.

2228
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:40,559
Speaker 9: Uh.

2229
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:42,600
Speaker 4: I'm playing Puckets boat House.

2230
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 1: Which, by the ways, it's like a restaurant in a

2231
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:49,160
Speaker 1: stage for people. I just so, it's like a very

2232
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 1: famous Nashville Southern food restaurant and there's a stage on

2233
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:53,599
Speaker 1: as well.

2234
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,479
Speaker 14: Right, And so what I what I was doing is,

2235
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 14: you know, I didn't have an artist deal, but I

2236
01:37:57,200 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 14: want to keep performing so that the Annie Marshall at

2237
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:03,759
Speaker 14: Pucket's so always so gracious to me giving me a gig,

2238
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 14: and I'm playing for tips, and what I would do

2239
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 14: is play an hour and then host an open mic

2240
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 14: night just for the community.

2241
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 4: I wanted to meet new writers and.

2242
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 14: Stuff and kind of do what people did for me

2243
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:18,679
Speaker 14: in my first couple of years here. So one night,

2244
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 14: this guy comes and his name is Nick Canjre and

2245
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 14: sweet sweet guy comes up wants to play at the

2246
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 14: open mic night, and he just thinks, you know, he's

2247
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 14: heard my songs on Rodney, my stuff on Colt. He

2248
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 14: thinks I I'm like Elvis, you know, and he's just treating

2249
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 14: me like it too. And he mentions at one point

2250
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 14: in the night that he worked at the tire center

2251
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:47,639
Speaker 14: at Costco, and I was looking for a job at

2252
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:51,519
Speaker 14: night so I could continue writing during the day. And

2253
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 14: so it was just a humbling moment to kind of

2254
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 14: be like, Hey, while you're getting my autograph, do you

2255
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 14: know any you know, is there any openings at Costco?

2256
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 14: You know, are they looking for people that stock stuff

2257
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 14: overnight and stuff? And he hooked me up and that's

2258
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:11,640
Speaker 14: how I got a job at Costco. But it was

2259
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:14,800
Speaker 14: just I mean, I don't know if embarrassing is the word,

2260
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:17,800
Speaker 14: but you know, it was just it was an interesting

2261
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 14: moment that he saw me as kind of like an

2262
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:24,600
Speaker 14: influence on him musically. I was so happy, you know,

2263
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 14: to meet me, and I was like, Hey, kind of

2264
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 14: need a job, you know, I need some help.

2265
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:32,599
Speaker 4: Can you can you hook me up?

2266
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 14: And so that was that that was a low a

2267
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:42,000
Speaker 14: low point for me, kind of having to ask for

2268
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:42,920
Speaker 14: help from that guy.

2269
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you learned from it and appreciate

2270
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:47,280
Speaker 1: it even more afterward.

2271
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 14: Just through that experience with Costco experience, everything, everything that

2272
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 14: is connecting with people now is pretty much about that

2273
01:39:56,120 --> 01:40:00,680
Speaker 14: experience of my life. So yes, it's been truly beneficial.

2274
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 14: I got a great perspective. Uh, you know what matters,

2275
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:10,559
Speaker 14: you know, what matter in life. That's kind of what

2276
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:12,760
Speaker 14: Leela's Stars is about. You know, I did a lot

2277
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 14: of I did a lot of I don't know what

2278
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:20,720
Speaker 14: you say, like not soul searching, but you know we

2279
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:23,760
Speaker 14: uh yeah.

2280
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:33,679
Speaker 4: Interesting songs. This guy's just from the Car about your daughter.

2281
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:37,960
Speaker 14: Yeah yeah, that song is about the thumb tacks that

2282
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 14: she gave me to hold up the roof of my

2283
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:42,680
Speaker 14: Honda that I had at the time, and when my

2284
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:45,920
Speaker 14: roof was coming down, I lost it and I was

2285
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:49,479
Speaker 14: just cuzy. At that point in my life, I was

2286
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:53,639
Speaker 14: drinking a ton just to kind of cut the edge

2287
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 14: off the heaviness and the burdens and stuff that I

2288
01:40:57,600 --> 01:41:01,080
Speaker 14: was kind of up against with one to still chase

2289
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:04,519
Speaker 14: my dream, kind of thinking I was nuts. Pretty much.

2290
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 14: Let everybody looking at us from the outside, I probably

2291
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:10,680
Speaker 14: thought I was nuts too. You know, I had all

2292
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:13,240
Speaker 14: the kids and I was still trying to do that

2293
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 14: to take care of them when I could have, you know,

2294
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:18,160
Speaker 14: done a lot of other things that made a whole

2295
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 14: lot of sense, you know, to take care of them.

2296
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:24,640
Speaker 14: But yeah, Leadless Stars is about those thumbtacks that she

2297
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:28,400
Speaker 14: let me borrow. And I was really bombed and frustrated

2298
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:31,760
Speaker 14: at the time. The roof coming out in my car

2299
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,160
Speaker 14: was one of those moments in your life where you're

2300
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:36,160
Speaker 14: looking up and you're like, you gotta be kidding me,

2301
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:41,040
Speaker 14: you know, like I need one fricking more thing, you know,

2302
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 14: to carry right now. And one morning, when I was

2303
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:46,920
Speaker 14: about to clock in at Costco, I looked up and

2304
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:52,559
Speaker 14: I saw those thumbtacks and it just reminded me. Well,

2305
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:55,599
Speaker 14: first I thought of her face and just her smile

2306
01:41:55,880 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 14: and how much fun she had putting those up, and

2307
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:02,479
Speaker 14: she just thought they were awesome, you know, they made

2308
01:42:02,479 --> 01:42:05,840
Speaker 14: the car look incredible, and it was just an interesting

2309
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 14: perspective at that time to remember, Hey, I got healthy kids,

2310
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 14: I do have a job, I have two you know

2311
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:15,240
Speaker 14: what I mean, and I'm still able to write. My

2312
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:19,680
Speaker 14: wife never was unhappy, you know, I was really the

2313
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:24,160
Speaker 14: only one, uh that was unhappy, And so that was

2314
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:28,120
Speaker 14: a that was a great moment and got a cool

2315
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:28,800
Speaker 14: song out of it.

2316
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 1: So you were drinking a lot. You don't drink it

2317
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:33,479
Speaker 1: all now, no sober, so you must have been drinking

2318
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:33,800
Speaker 1: a lot.

2319
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:34,960
Speaker 2: Tend to go.

2320
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:39,160
Speaker 14: I have to stop, man, I was, I mean, we want,

2321
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:41,439
Speaker 14: we want to talk about numbers. I mean I was, like,

2322
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 14: I mean, I was drinking from I was drunk at Costco.

2323
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:49,599
Speaker 14: You know, obviously I was doing my work, working hard,

2324
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:53,080
Speaker 14: but I mean I was, I was drinking on on

2325
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:56,520
Speaker 14: breaks at Costco. You know, I go to the parking lot,

2326
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 14: you know, and do that leave, go do a show

2327
01:42:59,880 --> 01:43:02,960
Speaker 14: with Bluebird. You know, they were hiring me for shows.

2328
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,040
Speaker 14: I was still able to get some work out of them.

2329
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 14: I drink before them, drink after them, drink while I wrote,

2330
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:10,799
Speaker 14: drive home, drink.

2331
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:13,360
Speaker 4: Drink because you're sad man.

2332
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 14: Uh yeah, I think, you know, I think I was

2333
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:21,400
Speaker 14: just uh, I just didn't want to face.

2334
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:24,800
Speaker 4: Not making it, you know, not not.

2335
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 14: Being able to to take care of everybody. You know,

2336
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 14: It's almost like when you're drunk, Uh, those things aren't

2337
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:35,960
Speaker 14: as heavy, you know, they don't matter, I guess, and

2338
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:40,719
Speaker 14: drinking a little bit out of just insecurity and fear,

2339
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:45,920
Speaker 14: you know, I guess, uh, you know, just scared what.

2340
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:47,400
Speaker 1: Was the point where you were like, Okay, I gotta

2341
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:48,760
Speaker 1: I gotta chill, dude.

2342
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:51,680
Speaker 4: Me quitting is the weirdest story, I don't. You know.

2343
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 14: Hopefully at some point it will make sense where I

2344
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:57,639
Speaker 14: could kind of help other people and and and and

2345
01:43:57,640 --> 01:44:00,719
Speaker 14: and explain it. But honestly, I mean.

2346
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:01,360
Speaker 4: I think I was.

2347
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:05,280
Speaker 14: I think my body just said to my brain, you

2348
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,799
Speaker 14: have to you have to quit. You know, we're working

2349
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:11,480
Speaker 14: and drinking that much. I woke up on a Saturday.

2350
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:12,479
Speaker 4: I remember that.

2351
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 14: It was in October, football game day, me and football.

2352
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 14: Not drinking just didn't ever happen. That hadn't happened since

2353
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:23,040
Speaker 14: I was probably like fifteen, I don't know, something crazy

2354
01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 14: like that.

2355
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:26,559
Speaker 4: And I just didn't drink one Saturday. And I don't

2356
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 4: even know why.

2357
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 14: I didn't like wake up and say, man, I gotta stop.

2358
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:35,559
Speaker 14: I just woke up, didn't drink that day, didn't drink

2359
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:37,960
Speaker 14: on Sunday. A couple of days turn into a week,

2360
01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:42,960
Speaker 14: you know, and then it became this like challenge where

2361
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 14: it was like I've gone this far, I want to

2362
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:49,559
Speaker 14: go backwards, you know. And I also kind of had

2363
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:53,040
Speaker 14: a little sobriety high. You know, when you quit drinking.

2364
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 14: You've been drinking that much, your body feels really really

2365
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:02,920
Speaker 14: good once it gets over, you know, not craving just

2366
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:06,400
Speaker 14: to drink with all your might. But so yeah, now

2367
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 14: I'm like, that was two octobers ago, so I'm a

2368
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:11,879
Speaker 14: year and almost a half.

2369
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:14,679
Speaker 1: The funny thing is I don't drink. A guy there,

2370
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:17,479
Speaker 1: Walker doesn't drink. And when we go on tour this

2371
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 1: beer like the writers like full of beer, and Walker

2372
01:45:22,040 --> 01:45:25,240
Speaker 1: he just sits there. Yeah, it's like, Walker, I know

2373
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:27,679
Speaker 1: you don't drink, but if you know anybody that wants beer,

2374
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 1: they can have it.

2375
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 12: Hang tight.

2376
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:36,960
Speaker 8: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow, and we're

2377
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 8: back on the Bobby Cast.

2378
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:41,840
Speaker 1: Cole Swindell talks about making the move in Nashville back

2379
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:44,280
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven with the plans on being

2380
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 1: a songwriter, but became a successful artist too. When you

2381
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:50,880
Speaker 1: first moved to town, though, you had to be pretty

2382
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:53,559
Speaker 1: intimidated to walk into some of these big rooms. Oh yeah, yes,

2383
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:55,880
Speaker 1: Like what was the first ride that you can think

2384
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 1: about in your head? You walked into and there was

2385
01:45:58,040 --> 01:45:59,720
Speaker 1: like a rider that you're like, man, I should be

2386
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:01,920
Speaker 1: right with this person, Like actually I'm writing with a

2387
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:03,760
Speaker 1: legend or somebody that I look up to.

2388
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:08,320
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean I remember one of the stories for me,

2389
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:09,800
Speaker 15: and it goes back to being a kid.

2390
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:10,040
Speaker 1: You know.

2391
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:12,719
Speaker 15: I always say I fell in love with nineties country music,

2392
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:14,920
Speaker 15: and that's one of the guys, you know, Thomas Rhetz

2393
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:17,320
Speaker 15: that Rhett Akins was one of the artists I loved

2394
01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:20,480
Speaker 15: as a kid. And I remember being in a room

2395
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:23,080
Speaker 15: the first time we ever read, the first wrote, the

2396
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 15: first song we ever wrote was a song Thomas Rhett

2397
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:28,400
Speaker 15: to get me some of that, And that was just

2398
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 15: that memory was my first like only in Nashville, Like

2399
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:33,759
Speaker 15: you grew up listening to a guy and the first

2400
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 15: song you end up writing his son takes to the

2401
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:38,760
Speaker 15: top of the charts, and it's just that's a Nashville

2402
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:40,920
Speaker 15: story if I've ever heard one. But yeah, there's so many.

2403
01:46:41,439 --> 01:46:45,320
Speaker 15: You know, you go from playing college bars and so

2404
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:47,040
Speaker 15: let me stop you.

2405
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 1: So you go on to write it. How long you've

2406
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:50,280
Speaker 1: been to Nasville when you wrote the song?

2407
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:54,920
Speaker 2: Probably for four years or so.

2408
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:57,280
Speaker 15: I had just gotten off the road from you know,

2409
01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:00,280
Speaker 15: doing the T shirt thing. I had a publishing and

2410
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:01,720
Speaker 15: this was one of my this is the first time

2411
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:04,120
Speaker 15: in read everybody, we've been buddies. But that was a

2412
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 15: man I was. That was a crazy story to go

2413
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:08,559
Speaker 15: from being a fan of his to write with him.

2414
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 15: And it was just a straight car, right, me and

2415
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:12,479
Speaker 15: Rahet and Michael Carter, my producer.

2416
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:15,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, so you walk in, you write this song,

2417
01:47:15,080 --> 01:47:17,400
Speaker 1: and when you write a song, did you think maybe

2418
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 1: it would be for you?

2419
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:18,360
Speaker 13: Now?

2420
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 15: You know at this point like this is this all happened?

2421
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:23,360
Speaker 15: Before I got my record deal. I was writing songs

2422
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 15: every single day, just wishing somebody would record them. And

2423
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:28,360
Speaker 15: this one, I don't know what.

2424
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:29,920
Speaker 2: I loved it.

2425
01:47:29,960 --> 01:47:31,479
Speaker 15: I thought it was a great song, but I just

2426
01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:33,000
Speaker 15: didn't have enough going for me. I didn't have the

2427
01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:35,760
Speaker 15: artist thing going and I was willing for anybody when

2428
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:38,240
Speaker 15: I heard that Thomas Rhett loved it. You know, I've

2429
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:40,519
Speaker 15: always been the Thomas Repp fan and a Buddy hiss,

2430
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:42,600
Speaker 15: so I was just hoping to get a cut, you

2431
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 15: know that those things that's what got me.

2432
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:44,559
Speaker 1: You know.

2433
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:46,760
Speaker 15: I think my chance that ultimately had a record deal

2434
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 15: was getting other big time artists to record my songs.

2435
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:52,599
Speaker 15: And that was That's one memory of you know, you

2436
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 15: go from playing songs written by people on the board

2437
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:57,519
Speaker 15: of sitting in a room with them and writing a song,

2438
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:00,599
Speaker 15: and that's just that's when you know you're you're living

2439
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 15: the dream man, when you're getting to do do that.

2440
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 1: Is that the first song for you that was like, Okay,

2441
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 1: I can make a little money, I can relax a

2442
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:09,880
Speaker 1: little bit.

2443
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:11,960
Speaker 2: Is that the first one of those?

2444
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:15,040
Speaker 15: I mean, yeah, because I had I had, you know,

2445
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 15: a couple of early cuts, like Scotty McCreery right after

2446
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:20,640
Speaker 15: he had won American Idol he want he recorded one

2447
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:22,680
Speaker 15: of my songs, water Tower Town, I wrote about my.

2448
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 2: Tea goes come with it.

2449
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:28,720
Speaker 12: How do you have on this? But that's like we

2450
01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:29,800
Speaker 12: do our research on this.

2451
01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:30,920
Speaker 4: This is water Tower down.

2452
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:32,679
Speaker 15: Yeah, this is you know that's I wrote that about

2453
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 15: my hometown. And I remember, you know, thinking that it

2454
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:37,400
Speaker 15: didn't end up doing you know, what we thought was

2455
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:39,400
Speaker 15: still that that let me know that, hey, I got

2456
01:48:39,400 --> 01:48:42,160
Speaker 15: a chance in this town. And Scotty what a great

2457
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:44,960
Speaker 15: guy he is, and speaking to him that his new

2458
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:47,680
Speaker 15: song that you, Oh my god, that's that's one of

2459
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:49,479
Speaker 15: the best songs I've heard. I texted him as soon

2460
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:52,040
Speaker 15: as I heard it when when y'all were talking about it, and.

2461
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 12: It's just it's he's a great dude.

2462
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,960
Speaker 15: So to have somebody like that to record one of

2463
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:58,360
Speaker 15: your songs about your town and and you know, some

2464
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:00,920
Speaker 15: of the same beliefs, it's just a cool moment for me.

2465
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:03,000
Speaker 15: But Thomas Rhad that was a different level.

2466
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:04,560
Speaker 1: You know, Paula, let me stop you. So this is

2467
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 1: Scotty McCurry song. This was the first one by an

2468
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:10,280
Speaker 1: artist that was somewhat successful that you're like, Okay, this

2469
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:11,679
Speaker 1: literally has a chance, and it was kind of really

2470
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:12,800
Speaker 1: a cool moment for you.

2471
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:15,360
Speaker 15: It's huge, huge moment because I remember it was one

2472
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:17,640
Speaker 15: of those I learned a lesson because you know, when

2473
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:19,439
Speaker 15: I wrote this song, ultimately, you know, me and Luke

2474
01:49:19,479 --> 01:49:21,640
Speaker 15: were close, and I was like, man, Luke's gonna love this.

2475
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:23,799
Speaker 15: I can just see him loving it. And I remember

2476
01:49:23,880 --> 01:49:25,479
Speaker 15: I sent it to him and all he sent back

2477
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:28,280
Speaker 15: was yeah, man, I love that everybody knows your mom

2478
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 15: and them lying, and that's all he said. And I

2479
01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:32,679
Speaker 15: was like crushed. I was like, man, I was like oh,

2480
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 15: I was like, that is not what I was wanted

2481
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 15: to hear. And literally, you know, a month or two later,

2482
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:40,200
Speaker 15: Scotty wins American Idol and that song gets recorded and

2483
01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:42,720
Speaker 15: it's on a platinum album, and it just I learned

2484
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:44,800
Speaker 15: that day that you know, you may think you got

2485
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:46,760
Speaker 15: it all planned out what but it's it's going to

2486
01:49:46,840 --> 01:49:48,920
Speaker 15: work out how it's supposed to. And that one that

2487
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:52,000
Speaker 15: was my really first example of you know, I'm just

2488
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:53,799
Speaker 15: going to try to do the right thing, write songs

2489
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:55,080
Speaker 15: and they'll end up where they're supposed to.

2490
01:49:55,320 --> 01:49:58,320
Speaker 1: So water Tower Town, Scotty mccury cuts that and then

2491
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:01,200
Speaker 1: you just realized, Okay, I I can write these songs.

2492
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 4: Did you have the confidence before that?

2493
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:04,920
Speaker 1: Was it like it's a matter of time or did

2494
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:06,920
Speaker 1: it take songs to hit before you started to realize

2495
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:07,800
Speaker 1: you could play in the league.

2496
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 15: You know, I would like to say I moved up

2497
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:11,960
Speaker 15: here thinking I was gonna be but you know, I

2498
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:14,760
Speaker 15: think you have to, you know, have something like that happen.

2499
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:18,880
Speaker 15: Have you know, you know, publishing companies, record label doing that.

2500
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:21,920
Speaker 15: That that means they believe in what you're writing. And yeah,

2501
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:24,559
Speaker 15: you do get confidence. I mean it's hard to have

2502
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:26,600
Speaker 15: confidence when you're writing all these songs and you know

2503
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:29,559
Speaker 15: they're not really getting any traction. But you just learned.

2504
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:31,439
Speaker 15: You know, that's why they say, you know, write every day,

2505
01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:33,559
Speaker 15: because the more you do it, the better you get,

2506
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:35,960
Speaker 15: and it's just the chances are better you're going to

2507
01:50:36,040 --> 01:50:38,000
Speaker 15: have a great song the more you write. And that

2508
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:42,360
Speaker 15: was I remember Dallas and some of my other writer

2509
01:50:42,479 --> 01:50:46,040
Speaker 15: friends calling me and just saying that when that song

2510
01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:48,920
Speaker 15: got recorded, like hey, congratulations, but don't stop like this

2511
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:51,040
Speaker 15: is this is where you got to show up with a

2512
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:53,479
Speaker 15: lot of people just say I've made it. And you

2513
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:55,320
Speaker 15: know that's I think that's what you got to do.

2514
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:56,080
Speaker 15: You got to keep going.

2515
01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:58,479
Speaker 4: Was that Do you think that'd be a big single?

2516
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:00,320
Speaker 1: When you when you cut it, were you hoping, like man,

2517
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:02,040
Speaker 1: that this could be a number one hit? Is that

2518
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:04,120
Speaker 1: what you Is that what every every time you cut wanted?

2519
01:51:04,280 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I.

2520
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:08,479
Speaker 15: Think you're you're hoping that that's what? Uh you know,

2521
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:10,280
Speaker 15: but I think being around the business, you know how

2522
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 15: hard it is to to to do that, to write.

2523
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:15,360
Speaker 15: There's so many great writers in this town. But yeah,

2524
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:17,400
Speaker 15: I think you're always wanting like and that that song

2525
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:19,080
Speaker 15: when it there's one thing for it to be.

2526
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:19,639
Speaker 2: On the album.

2527
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:21,720
Speaker 15: I mean, that's a huge album coming straight up. I

2528
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:23,800
Speaker 15: mean selling over a million copies these days, it's it's

2529
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:27,800
Speaker 15: hard unheard of and uh, pretty much but and uh

2530
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:30,040
Speaker 15: to have that. But then when it announced as a single,

2531
01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:32,400
Speaker 15: I remember thinking that was my first single to country radio,

2532
01:51:32,439 --> 01:51:35,000
Speaker 15: and I thought I didn't even know what to think. Man,

2533
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:37,040
Speaker 15: I mean that song here I wrote about you know

2534
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:39,680
Speaker 15: where I grew up, and and uh, you know, it

2535
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:42,160
Speaker 15: was hitting country radio and that just like I said,

2536
01:51:42,200 --> 01:51:43,960
Speaker 15: either way, I mean that that was my first taste

2537
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:46,960
Speaker 15: of seeing how a song was doing and wondering what

2538
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:47,840
Speaker 15: was gonna happen with.

2539
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:50,879
Speaker 2: It, and watching a charge watching it, yeah, watching the chart.

2540
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,280
Speaker 15: And it's it's, uh, you know, that's that's just how

2541
01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:56,640
Speaker 15: how you learn the business, I guess. And I'm just

2542
01:51:56,640 --> 01:51:58,680
Speaker 15: glad that, you know, that song helped me, you know,

2543
01:51:58,840 --> 01:52:01,040
Speaker 15: no matter how it did, it got me. Uh, it

2544
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:03,240
Speaker 15: gave me the confidence to keep writing and know that

2545
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:06,439
Speaker 15: how my songs are, you know, hopefully worthy of radio someday.

2546
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:10,160
Speaker 1: All right, So after water Tower Town, what's the next

2547
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:13,439
Speaker 1: song you wrote? That you were like, Okay, this one

2548
01:52:13,439 --> 01:52:16,760
Speaker 1: has a shot. Now, okay, like this one has a

2549
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:20,000
Speaker 1: shot like WaterTower Town had a little higher hopes, but

2550
01:52:20,040 --> 01:52:22,479
Speaker 1: you're still happy about it. It made you feel confident

2551
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:27,120
Speaker 1: you could walk into a room. Then what'd you write? So?

2552
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:27,360
Speaker 4: Well?

2553
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:29,559
Speaker 15: I know, I wrote a song that that Chris Young

2554
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:34,200
Speaker 15: recorded after that, but then after I wrote wrote a

2555
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:37,400
Speaker 15: song for Luke Bryan called roller Coaster that I've heard of,

2556
01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 15: that one this is the one. I mean, yeah, this,

2557
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:44,080
Speaker 15: this was this didn't get me some of that, Like

2558
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:46,800
Speaker 15: those were almost around the same time, I feel like,

2559
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 15: and you know, but this one was the one that

2560
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:53,160
Speaker 15: you know, just our history from you know, knowing Luke

2561
01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:56,320
Speaker 15: and working for him to writing songs. And I mean

2562
01:52:56,360 --> 01:52:58,400
Speaker 15: when we played him this, me and Michael Carter wrote

2563
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:00,479
Speaker 15: this one, we played it for him. It wasn't even

2564
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:02,000
Speaker 15: to pitch it to him. It wasn't to see if

2565
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:03,800
Speaker 15: he would record it with me and Michael. It was

2566
01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:06,040
Speaker 15: the first song we'd kind of written together and we

2567
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:08,080
Speaker 15: had he had produced it how he wanted, and we

2568
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:09,479
Speaker 15: just want him to hear my voice on it to

2569
01:53:09,479 --> 01:53:12,080
Speaker 15: see what he thought. And he freaked out, drove us

2570
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 15: straight over to his producer's house and me and Michael

2571
01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:15,920
Speaker 15: are sitting there like what is going on?

2572
01:53:16,040 --> 01:53:17,559
Speaker 2: Where that feeling is?

2573
01:53:17,640 --> 01:53:20,280
Speaker 15: That's one of a kind feeling when somebody you've looked

2574
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:22,679
Speaker 15: up to is about to I mean, it's freaking out

2575
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:24,720
Speaker 15: literally over a song like you've never seen them, you know,

2576
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:26,320
Speaker 15: you used to freak out over their songs like that,

2577
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:29,960
Speaker 15: and now here's something we wrote and to see him

2578
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:34,240
Speaker 15: and Jeff Stevens just you know, go crazy over this song.

2579
01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:35,960
Speaker 15: I mean, it was one of the best, you know,

2580
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:39,160
Speaker 15: moments of my life, just knowing that man, this song, right,

2581
01:53:39,240 --> 01:53:41,519
Speaker 15: that's it's one of those things. That's why we love songwriting,

2582
01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:44,240
Speaker 15: is because to make somebody feel like that, and that's

2583
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:46,120
Speaker 15: you know, that's why I moved to Nashville because that's

2584
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:47,920
Speaker 15: how music, you know, it makes me feel.

2585
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:49,160
Speaker 2: And that's crazy.

2586
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:50,800
Speaker 1: But after no on that Astrard, let me hear.

2587
01:53:50,720 --> 01:53:54,520
Speaker 12: This, and now I'm wondering word going.

2588
01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:55,599
Speaker 4: I need to recut this too.

2589
01:53:56,000 --> 01:54:01,960
Speaker 15: I wish yeah, yeah, yeah, and you put your vocal

2590
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:03,400
Speaker 15: on in the jemo I got to see.

2591
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:03,840
Speaker 2: I still have.

2592
01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:05,920
Speaker 15: I thought about that someday, you know, like maybe putting

2593
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:12,080
Speaker 15: out my own little uh like just the you know,

2594
01:54:12,160 --> 01:54:14,519
Speaker 15: the the versions of my versions of the songs, because

2595
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:17,000
Speaker 15: I mean, that's what pretty much got me my you know,

2596
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:19,320
Speaker 15: when labels we were pitching my songs and they're like, what,

2597
01:54:19,400 --> 01:54:21,120
Speaker 15: you know, why aren't you why can't you sing this song?

2598
01:54:21,160 --> 01:54:23,360
Speaker 15: Or why wouldn't you sing this? And it just kind

2599
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 15: of that gave me confidence too. It's like, man, maybe

2600
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:27,320
Speaker 15: I need to book a show, because you know, when

2601
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:29,719
Speaker 15: I moved here, I'd just been singing cover songs, playing

2602
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:32,360
Speaker 15: in bars, me and a buddy of mine. Acoustic no uh,

2603
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:35,120
Speaker 15: no big band or anything, but we just played country

2604
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:37,600
Speaker 15: covers and I'd gotten into the songwriting things. So I

2605
01:54:37,640 --> 01:54:39,200
Speaker 15: moved here and fell in love with the.

2606
01:54:39,320 --> 01:54:41,600
Speaker 2: With the writing. Did you move here to be an artist?

2607
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 15: I mean, ultimately yes, but I knew that I was,

2608
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:46,400
Speaker 15: you know, I wanted to have my own songs, and

2609
01:54:46,440 --> 01:54:48,000
Speaker 15: I you know, I had friends in the business that

2610
01:54:48,160 --> 01:54:49,840
Speaker 15: was that said, you know, you need to if you

2611
01:54:49,960 --> 01:54:51,760
Speaker 15: like songwriting and you're interested like you are.

2612
01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:53,200
Speaker 2: I mean I was looking up.

2613
01:54:53,240 --> 01:54:55,360
Speaker 15: I was more starstruck by the songwriters when I got

2614
01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:57,640
Speaker 15: here because I you know, I had been on stage.

2615
01:54:57,680 --> 01:55:00,000
Speaker 15: I loved entertaining, but I knew I didn't have the song.

2616
01:55:00,200 --> 01:55:02,640
Speaker 15: I didn't I couldn't write a song like I wanted to.

2617
01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:04,880
Speaker 15: And you know that's why I'm lived here and to

2618
01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:08,400
Speaker 15: take three solid year and just focus on songwriting. I

2619
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:10,080
Speaker 15: mean that if that wouldn't have happened that way, I

2620
01:55:10,120 --> 01:55:11,800
Speaker 15: wouldn't have had those songs for you know, when I

2621
01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:13,800
Speaker 15: finally got my chance at a record deal. So that's

2622
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:17,000
Speaker 15: another situation where I thought I was gonna come up here.

2623
01:55:17,040 --> 01:55:18,400
Speaker 15: I was ready to get a record deal, and I

2624
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:20,560
Speaker 15: would have had have screwed it up so fast. I mean,

2625
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:22,480
Speaker 15: it just happened that at the right time. But that

2626
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:25,080
Speaker 15: songwriting was definitely my my avenue.

2627
01:55:25,120 --> 01:55:27,720
Speaker 1: I think, so, you know, in this town and then

2628
01:55:27,800 --> 01:55:29,280
Speaker 1: luckily during the show, I get to bring up all

2629
01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:33,160
Speaker 1: the great songwriters. Yeah, you know, there becomes the coolest

2630
01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:36,280
Speaker 1: songwriters of the moment. Did aren't artists yet, it may

2631
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:38,839
Speaker 1: never be, but it's like, you know, who's the coolest?

2632
01:55:39,240 --> 01:55:43,000
Speaker 1: Were you for a while? That the coolest songwriter for

2633
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:43,440
Speaker 1: a minute?

2634
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:45,080
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't.

2635
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:48,600
Speaker 15: You know, I wouldn't think that. I would think that

2636
01:55:48,640 --> 01:55:51,000
Speaker 15: I was a guy that people hopefully wanted to write

2637
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:51,920
Speaker 15: with a second time and.

2638
01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:52,440
Speaker 2: The third time.

2639
01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:55,320
Speaker 15: I think that's you know something my publisher, the people

2640
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:57,400
Speaker 15: that you know brought me up through the business. It

2641
01:55:57,520 --> 01:55:59,240
Speaker 15: was like, you know, you got to have this town,

2642
01:55:59,840 --> 01:56:01,560
Speaker 15: you know behind you wanting to write with you again.

2643
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:05,200
Speaker 15: I mean, you gotta you know, you gotta write the

2644
01:56:05,200 --> 01:56:07,400
Speaker 15: best songs you can. And I think, uh, I never

2645
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:09,320
Speaker 15: felt like that I just felt like I started getting

2646
01:56:09,320 --> 01:56:12,280
Speaker 15: some songs recorded and people heard my versions and it

2647
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:14,800
Speaker 15: was like a lot of artists now it's like, well man,

2648
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:17,960
Speaker 15: that's uh, you know, that's and that was about the

2649
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:19,240
Speaker 15: time that that you came along.

2650
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:19,440
Speaker 1: You know.

2651
01:56:19,480 --> 01:56:22,640
Speaker 15: It's it's crazy to think like it's all that happened. Uh,

2652
01:56:23,080 --> 01:56:24,600
Speaker 15: and then I finally got my chance.

2653
01:56:24,680 --> 01:56:27,080
Speaker 1: So I it is crazy to think that you've really

2654
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:29,640
Speaker 1: only been an artist for about four and a half.

2655
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:31,760
Speaker 15: Years, and that's what's something I think.

2656
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:33,200
Speaker 2: You know, there's a ton of hits.

2657
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:35,920
Speaker 15: Well thank you man, I'm on my It's crazy to

2658
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:38,040
Speaker 15: me from I mean, I met you during chilling It

2659
01:56:38,120 --> 01:56:40,720
Speaker 15: and now I'm on my seventh single that is in

2660
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:42,920
Speaker 15: that amount of time. I mean, you know, we talked

2661
01:56:42,920 --> 01:56:44,680
Speaker 15: a little bit of you. I don't know how you

2662
01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:47,120
Speaker 15: measure success really. I think it's happiness. But I think

2663
01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:49,920
Speaker 15: that if you look at what I've done, and I

2664
01:56:49,960 --> 01:56:51,880
Speaker 15: can't I don't have anything to complain about it if

2665
01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:53,840
Speaker 15: something doesn't go my way, I mean, look at look

2666
01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:56,520
Speaker 15: at what's happened for me. And it takes some somebody

2667
01:56:56,560 --> 01:56:59,040
Speaker 15: like your mama or whatever, you know, pointing that out.

2668
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:00,680
Speaker 15: It's like, you know, we all always in this. We

2669
01:57:00,680 --> 01:57:03,360
Speaker 15: always want what's next, what's next? But man, you're right.

2670
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:05,360
Speaker 15: Four and a half years I couldn't have couldn't have

2671
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:06,720
Speaker 15: drawn it up any any better.

2672
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:08,680
Speaker 1: And you hid from the internet at the same time.

2673
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:10,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's amazing. Here I'm gonna play chilling It.

2674
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:12,840
Speaker 2: I think I'm a story about this when I yeah,

2675
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:14,320
Speaker 2: I got my shame.

2676
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:16,160
Speaker 4: So this song comes out by this dude. I don't

2677
01:57:16,160 --> 01:57:16,840
Speaker 4: even know what this dude.

2678
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:19,760
Speaker 1: He says, up a cooler to the studio, and I'm like,

2679
01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:21,839
Speaker 1: let me see what this is. He set up a cooler,

2680
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:22,880
Speaker 1: Let me see what this is.

2681
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:23,240
Speaker 4: Chilling it.

2682
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:25,240
Speaker 1: And I remember listening to it my ears saying, I

2683
01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:26,600
Speaker 1: was like, let me hear, let me hear this, set

2684
01:57:26,680 --> 01:57:30,720
Speaker 1: up a cooler. I was like, I like the sound

2685
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:33,920
Speaker 1: of that times a little progressive but still country. And

2686
01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:34,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I liked it.

2687
01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:36,960
Speaker 2: And I remember playing it and I know you. I

2688
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:39,160
Speaker 2: would never met, I know, but I had heard.

2689
01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:41,440
Speaker 15: I remember my mom telling me that you were playing

2690
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:42,120
Speaker 15: it like and that.

2691
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:44,280
Speaker 1: Was and you texted me you said, my mom heard

2692
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:45,800
Speaker 1: the song in the radio for the first I.

2693
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:47,000
Speaker 15: Had to get you know, of course, you know, I

2694
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:49,040
Speaker 15: just I was like, hey, some my label was like,

2695
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:51,040
Speaker 15: can you get me Bobby Bones, and my mom's freaking

2696
01:57:51,080 --> 01:57:52,080
Speaker 15: out he played my song.

2697
01:57:52,160 --> 01:57:54,120
Speaker 2: I just want to thank you because at.

2698
01:57:53,960 --> 01:57:55,760
Speaker 15: That point, you know how to. I mean, somebody's got

2699
01:57:55,760 --> 01:57:58,280
Speaker 15: to give you a chance, and that you know, when

2700
01:57:58,280 --> 01:58:00,640
Speaker 15: you're a new artist and an artist, and I mean

2701
01:58:00,760 --> 01:58:02,600
Speaker 15: putting out a new song anything, you got to have

2702
01:58:02,760 --> 01:58:06,080
Speaker 15: people that believe in you. And I will never I

2703
01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:07,800
Speaker 15: will never forget that the people that you know, you

2704
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:10,760
Speaker 15: met at the beginning that kind of gave you that shot.

2705
01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:14,080
Speaker 15: I mean, from from you to my label to the.

2706
01:58:14,040 --> 01:58:17,920
Speaker 1: Cooler cool big cooler, like CD is a cooler of

2707
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:19,600
Speaker 1: the CD. I even listening to CD, I was like,

2708
01:58:19,800 --> 01:58:21,440
Speaker 1: he said, a big old cooler up here.

2709
01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:22,840
Speaker 15: What am I gonna do with it? Well, at least

2710
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:25,360
Speaker 15: you like the song maybe better than the cooler sends cool.

2711
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:28,360
Speaker 1: But I was like, well, let me let me listen

2712
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:30,200
Speaker 1: to the download it and then yeah.

2713
01:58:30,040 --> 01:58:30,880
Speaker 11: I got my shame.

2714
01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:32,200
Speaker 4: Long time as a jam.

2715
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:34,040
Speaker 12: That crowd's what started.

2716
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:35,880
Speaker 2: And I watched you at Stage Coach this year.

2717
01:58:35,960 --> 01:58:38,320
Speaker 1: Oh well yeah, we played the same day I played

2718
01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:39,080
Speaker 1: we played before you.

2719
01:58:39,080 --> 01:58:39,520
Speaker 2: We don't worry.

2720
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:41,480
Speaker 1: We're playing a peon times like we're playing like four

2721
01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:44,160
Speaker 1: you were playing at dark whatever, and I was watching

2722
01:58:44,200 --> 01:58:46,840
Speaker 1: you play the song and the whole crowd was still

2723
01:58:46,920 --> 01:58:49,000
Speaker 1: just they were singing their brains out to the song.

2724
01:58:49,880 --> 01:58:51,880
Speaker 15: And that was my first single. I think that is

2725
01:58:52,440 --> 01:58:54,400
Speaker 15: you know, people ask me buddies that are trying to

2726
01:58:54,400 --> 01:58:56,400
Speaker 15: get record deals or whatever, it's like, you know, what

2727
01:58:56,560 --> 01:58:58,520
Speaker 15: song should I you know, what's the first sing?

2728
01:58:58,600 --> 01:58:59,000
Speaker 2: And I don't.

2729
01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:00,760
Speaker 15: I don't know that as to that, but I just

2730
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:03,120
Speaker 15: think that if any other song I've had since then

2731
01:59:03,160 --> 01:59:05,360
Speaker 15: would have been my first, it might not have broken

2732
01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:07,160
Speaker 15: me through there like that one did. And that's that's

2733
01:59:07,160 --> 01:59:10,440
Speaker 15: scary to think about. But that's, like I said, and

2734
01:59:10,520 --> 01:59:13,080
Speaker 15: that's why I love writing songs. I've always listened to music,

2735
01:59:13,160 --> 01:59:15,800
Speaker 15: and I think I'm a fan. I grew up a

2736
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:18,120
Speaker 15: fan of music and I still am. And I think

2737
01:59:18,480 --> 01:59:20,440
Speaker 15: that's why I, you know, try to put myself on

2738
01:59:20,480 --> 01:59:21,960
Speaker 15: their shoes and what would I want to hear? What

2739
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:24,920
Speaker 15: would you know? It's not always like that, but sometimes

2740
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:26,720
Speaker 15: you got to think about you know, hey, I'm just

2741
01:59:26,840 --> 01:59:29,560
Speaker 15: like them too, So let's let's try to say some

2742
01:59:29,600 --> 01:59:30,760
Speaker 15: of it's fun, some of us sad.

2743
01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:33,800
Speaker 1: But I wonder let me wonder out loud for a second.

2744
01:59:34,400 --> 01:59:37,480
Speaker 1: I wonder because you put that song out and I

2745
01:59:37,560 --> 01:59:38,800
Speaker 1: was like, I like the song and it sounds a

2746
01:59:38,800 --> 01:59:40,960
Speaker 1: little different. I bet you you got some pushback for

2747
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:43,600
Speaker 1: that song. Yeah, I bet you did. Yeah, And now

2748
01:59:43,640 --> 01:59:45,320
Speaker 1: it's just a song that there was a hit that

2749
01:59:45,400 --> 01:59:47,360
Speaker 1: gets played as what they call a recurrent and nobody

2750
01:59:47,400 --> 01:59:49,960
Speaker 1: thinks a thing about it. Oh yeah, in just four years,

2751
01:59:50,720 --> 01:59:53,520
Speaker 1: you've seen it change from WHOA, this is crazy. I

2752
01:59:53,560 --> 01:59:55,440
Speaker 1: bet you got some dad in't countries for that song.

2753
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:57,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which is crazy to think right now, right

2754
01:59:57,880 --> 01:59:59,000
Speaker 1: oh yeah, now yeah.

2755
01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:02,560
Speaker 15: But like I said, that's I guess that's always you know,

2756
02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:04,760
Speaker 15: it's always gonna be a whole thing. And and you,

2757
02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:07,560
Speaker 15: like you said, man I, that's the one thing about

2758
02:00:07,560 --> 02:00:09,240
Speaker 15: being in positions like we're in.

2759
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:10,520
Speaker 2: It's like you're opening stuff.

2760
02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:14,640
Speaker 15: You're opening yourself up to just get you know, people

2761
02:00:14,640 --> 02:00:17,680
Speaker 15: that have you know, nothing other to do than just

2762
02:00:18,120 --> 02:00:20,200
Speaker 15: you know, talk trash or whatever it is. But that's

2763
02:00:20,360 --> 02:00:22,360
Speaker 15: you're gonna get pushed back about things. But I think

2764
02:00:22,440 --> 02:00:25,360
Speaker 15: those are always the things that mean you're you're breaking

2765
02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:27,880
Speaker 15: through and getting getting something done. And you know, not

2766
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:29,880
Speaker 15: everybody's gonna like that's the toughest thing for me is

2767
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:31,640
Speaker 15: I you know, I try to treat everybody how I

2768
02:00:31,680 --> 02:00:33,840
Speaker 15: want to be treated. But everybody's not gonna like your music.

2769
02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:37,600
Speaker 15: They're not gonna like every song. You're not gonna like me. Yeah,

2770
02:00:37,600 --> 02:00:39,760
Speaker 15: it's like what they don't even know us, you know,

2771
02:00:39,840 --> 02:00:40,280
Speaker 15: but it's.

2772
02:00:40,320 --> 02:00:40,880
Speaker 2: They don't know me.

2773
02:00:40,920 --> 02:00:43,520
Speaker 15: But you know, I uh, you got to understand that

2774
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:45,760
Speaker 15: you're putting yourself in that position. And I tell you what,

2775
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:47,640
Speaker 15: I think. We we got a lot more people that

2776
02:00:47,680 --> 02:00:50,600
Speaker 15: do like us than do and that's to me, the fans,

2777
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:51,800
Speaker 15: I mean people that that's what you.

2778
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:52,520
Speaker 2: Gotta focus on.

2779
02:00:52,600 --> 02:00:54,520
Speaker 1: And that let me wonder a lot again.

2780
02:00:55,200 --> 02:00:55,640
Speaker 15: I wonder.

2781
02:00:55,800 --> 02:00:58,400
Speaker 1: I wonder because something I've had to do in my life,

2782
02:00:58,600 --> 02:01:01,600
Speaker 1: especially in the last six months to a year, is

2783
02:01:01,600 --> 02:01:04,120
Speaker 1: if I get one hundred tweets, right, I'll zero in

2784
02:01:04,160 --> 02:01:08,280
Speaker 1: on that negative one, yeah.

2785
02:01:07,320 --> 02:01:09,280
Speaker 4: And I'll be like, everybody hates me and this person

2786
02:01:09,360 --> 02:01:09,800
Speaker 4: just rip me.

2787
02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:12,680
Speaker 1: But there are ninety nine positive tweets, and I would

2788
02:01:12,680 --> 02:01:14,200
Speaker 1: always focus in and it would make me go, oh,

2789
02:01:14,200 --> 02:01:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm so angry or I'm sad, or but what why

2790
02:01:18,200 --> 02:01:20,640
Speaker 1: do we do that We should really make an effort

2791
02:01:20,920 --> 02:01:22,760
Speaker 1: to appreciate those ninety nine.

2792
02:01:23,320 --> 02:01:25,720
Speaker 15: I'm not kidding. That is a great point, because you know,

2793
02:01:25,800 --> 02:01:28,040
Speaker 15: that's that's being honest. If somebody says that they don't,

2794
02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:29,960
Speaker 15: then I don't know. I guess they've got it figured out.

2795
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:32,360
Speaker 15: But it's just it's tough to see that something that

2796
02:01:32,440 --> 02:01:34,360
Speaker 15: you know you love to do and you're doing you're

2797
02:01:34,400 --> 02:01:37,400
Speaker 15: you're not out there, you know, doing what. I don't know,

2798
02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:39,480
Speaker 15: you're doing the right that you're doing great things and

2799
02:01:40,280 --> 02:01:42,240
Speaker 15: trying to do the right thing, and people just no

2800
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:42,720
Speaker 15: matter what.

2801
02:01:42,640 --> 02:01:44,680
Speaker 2: You just trying to do, just trying to do things.

2802
02:01:44,720 --> 02:01:46,800
Speaker 15: And they they're gonna, you know, they're not gonna like it.

2803
02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:49,160
Speaker 1: And we gotta focus on We gotta focus on the

2804
02:01:49,240 --> 02:01:52,160
Speaker 1: ninety nine I got yeah, gotta focus They play this song,

2805
02:01:52,160 --> 02:01:55,760
Speaker 1: talk about this one here. This is by Craig Campbell. Yeah,

2806
02:01:56,240 --> 02:01:56,880
Speaker 1: Craig singing here.

2807
02:01:56,880 --> 02:01:58,920
Speaker 15: This is the one that was my second thing. Yeah,

2808
02:01:58,920 --> 02:02:01,880
Speaker 15: that was my second single the country readio out there.

2809
02:02:01,880 --> 02:02:04,720
Speaker 15: Craig Campbell, great friend of mine, great friend of yours.

2810
02:02:04,960 --> 02:02:07,320
Speaker 1: The thing about Craig is that and the weird thing

2811
02:02:07,320 --> 02:02:09,680
Speaker 1: about this song, I believe it was a song as

2812
02:02:09,720 --> 02:02:12,800
Speaker 1: it was climbing. He gets dropped from his record label.

2813
02:02:13,200 --> 02:02:14,440
Speaker 1: Now dropped the record of folds.

2814
02:02:14,480 --> 02:02:16,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, you think the song was.

2815
02:02:16,280 --> 02:02:19,520
Speaker 1: Climbing hard es? Yes, And I remember sitting in a

2816
02:02:19,560 --> 02:02:22,440
Speaker 1: meeting with my boss's boss. We were in New York

2817
02:02:22,720 --> 02:02:25,480
Speaker 1: and Craig Campbell was our radio on the Bird artist YEP,

2818
02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:28,200
Speaker 1: and so loved the song and the song was just

2819
02:02:28,600 --> 02:02:31,520
Speaker 1: top ten and boom, his record label goes out, and

2820
02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:34,120
Speaker 1: we're like, what what do we do? So it's like, well,

2821
02:02:34,440 --> 02:02:36,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep charging with the song even though there's

2822
02:02:36,440 --> 02:02:38,200
Speaker 1: no record label and no promotion. And I think it

2823
02:02:38,280 --> 02:02:39,640
Speaker 1: ended up getting to like six or something.

2824
02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:40,960
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's huge.

2825
02:02:41,000 --> 02:02:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't even happen. Then we were all flowering.

2826
02:02:44,880 --> 02:02:46,720
Speaker 1: Guess like, he's got a top ten song and now

2827
02:02:46,760 --> 02:02:48,480
Speaker 1: the record label folds and goes away.

2828
02:02:48,520 --> 02:02:50,480
Speaker 2: But just because that's never had, why can't it have?

2829
02:02:50,600 --> 02:02:52,920
Speaker 15: And that's what I love about, Like people that believe

2830
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:56,000
Speaker 15: in a song, believe in music, and you, like I said, man,

2831
02:02:56,000 --> 02:02:57,640
Speaker 15: you can't really you don't know how to say thanks

2832
02:02:57,680 --> 02:02:59,560
Speaker 15: for this? And I know Craig appreciates that's probably is

2833
02:02:59,600 --> 02:03:01,960
Speaker 15: that when you is that when y'all met kind of yeah,

2834
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:04,960
Speaker 15: then was it? But I know you've had Yeah, yeah,

2835
02:03:05,320 --> 02:03:07,560
Speaker 15: it's wed that. So you wrote this, Yeah, I wrote

2836
02:03:07,560 --> 02:03:09,400
Speaker 15: this one. So this is the one that as a

2837
02:03:09,440 --> 02:03:11,640
Speaker 15: writer on that scene that happened. And a good friend,

2838
02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:13,160
Speaker 15: I mean me and Craig and he used to play

2839
02:03:13,160 --> 02:03:16,480
Speaker 15: Broadway every Tuesday night at the stage. Me and himould

2840
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:19,040
Speaker 15: go get sushi right onto Mumbery and right there. Every Tuesday.

2841
02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:22,080
Speaker 15: I'd be off the road from selling merch and he'd

2842
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:24,160
Speaker 15: be playing the stage and would go down and I'd

2843
02:03:24,160 --> 02:03:26,040
Speaker 15: watch him sing all these songs that.

2844
02:03:26,240 --> 02:03:28,320
Speaker 4: He's crazy to do it, knowing every song.

2845
02:03:28,160 --> 02:03:29,839
Speaker 15: Every song, and I mean i'd sit there that wouldn't

2846
02:03:29,880 --> 02:03:32,200
Speaker 15: be you know that many people in there at the start.

2847
02:03:32,280 --> 02:03:34,000
Speaker 15: I mean they have like four hour sets down there.

2848
02:03:34,000 --> 02:03:35,840
Speaker 15: By the end it was full. But I'd be there

2849
02:03:35,840 --> 02:03:39,280
Speaker 15: from the beginning. I was his buddy and I always

2850
02:03:39,320 --> 02:03:42,880
Speaker 15: supported him. So to see you know, him record a

2851
02:03:42,920 --> 02:03:44,640
Speaker 15: song like that, knowing that he used to get me up.

2852
02:03:44,640 --> 02:03:46,240
Speaker 15: That was my only chance to really ever sing in

2853
02:03:46,280 --> 02:03:48,840
Speaker 15: town was during his sets. He'd get me up to sing,

2854
02:03:49,240 --> 02:03:52,000
Speaker 15: just some nineties country song or something, and you know,

2855
02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:54,160
Speaker 15: that's that was my moment of the week, you know,

2856
02:03:54,200 --> 02:03:56,000
Speaker 15: before I went back on the road to sell T shirts.

2857
02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:57,520
Speaker 2: So Craig has always been.

2858
02:03:57,360 --> 02:03:59,360
Speaker 15: Good to me and I look for hopefully one day,

2859
02:04:00,240 --> 02:04:01,840
Speaker 15: you know, we can do some shows together. I know

2860
02:04:01,880 --> 02:04:03,960
Speaker 15: he's out there, I think with Luke doing some stuff now,

2861
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:06,320
Speaker 15: and like you said, you've you're a fan of his

2862
02:04:06,480 --> 02:04:08,680
Speaker 15: and I you know, I just I like to pull

2863
02:04:08,800 --> 02:04:10,560
Speaker 15: for good people and he's He's one of those.

2864
02:04:10,720 --> 02:04:12,760
Speaker 1: If you if your friend is an artist, so back

2865
02:04:12,800 --> 02:04:14,280
Speaker 1: when you before you were trying to be an artist,

2866
02:04:14,280 --> 02:04:16,400
Speaker 1: and you wrote something you use that was fantastic, would

2867
02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:17,920
Speaker 1: you go to your friends with it first and say,

2868
02:04:17,920 --> 02:04:20,520
Speaker 1: here's a song I think is really good. And is

2869
02:04:20,600 --> 02:04:22,320
Speaker 1: it awkward when they don't think it's really good?

2870
02:04:22,520 --> 02:04:22,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2871
02:04:22,760 --> 02:04:25,960
Speaker 15: I mean that is so so true. I mean yes,

2872
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:28,680
Speaker 15: it's like, you know, I've had, you know, a couple

2873
02:04:28,680 --> 02:04:31,120
Speaker 15: of close friends. I mean, Luke obviously is one of them,

2874
02:04:31,120 --> 02:04:33,800
Speaker 15: but you know Thomas redd Or but he's a songwriter himself.

2875
02:04:33,800 --> 02:04:35,920
Speaker 15: So I'm trying to think, you know, me and fg

2876
02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:39,120
Speaker 15: O or boys, but it's hard to it's hard to

2877
02:04:39,160 --> 02:04:42,640
Speaker 15: think Dirk's now. But uh, I had to. You know,

2878
02:04:42,680 --> 02:04:45,000
Speaker 15: when you send the artist a song, you want them

2879
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:46,600
Speaker 15: to love it, but it is awkward, like you if

2880
02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:48,680
Speaker 15: if they don't say anything back. Because now I'm on

2881
02:04:48,680 --> 02:04:50,760
Speaker 15: the other side of it, and I don't know what

2882
02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:52,120
Speaker 15: to do when I don't, like, you don't want to

2883
02:04:52,120 --> 02:04:54,480
Speaker 15: your body say you're sending you know what do you say?

2884
02:04:54,480 --> 02:04:58,000
Speaker 15: It's so it's like you don't I just if you

2885
02:04:58,000 --> 02:04:58,360
Speaker 15: made a song.

2886
02:04:58,400 --> 02:05:00,160
Speaker 1: Lets say I write a song. I'm like by my sitting.

2887
02:05:00,360 --> 02:05:03,160
Speaker 15: About to ask myself songwriters that are pitching me songs.

2888
02:05:03,480 --> 02:05:05,080
Speaker 1: This is something that gets talked about a lot here

2889
02:05:05,320 --> 02:05:09,200
Speaker 1: that and a lot of people say I believe someone

2890
02:05:09,480 --> 02:05:11,120
Speaker 1: like in the last week or so said they would

2891
02:05:11,160 --> 02:05:14,440
Speaker 1: get songs and they just don't reply. And that's kind

2892
02:05:14,440 --> 02:05:20,080
Speaker 1: of these Hey, I wasn't really feeling it without saying

2893
02:05:20,080 --> 02:05:21,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't really feeling it.

2894
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:24,480
Speaker 15: That's so I'm laughing because I know I've done that before.

2895
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:28,120
Speaker 15: But I know anybody listening, they just didn't reply.

2896
02:05:28,360 --> 02:05:30,800
Speaker 2: Do you remember who it was, Well.

2897
02:05:33,120 --> 02:05:35,640
Speaker 15: It was Nicole Guy, and that's somebody I'm looking forward

2898
02:05:35,680 --> 02:05:39,240
Speaker 15: to write. She's so I know I'm looking Nicole. I

2899
02:05:39,280 --> 02:05:41,240
Speaker 15: want to write with you, but we're gonna I know,

2900
02:05:41,400 --> 02:05:43,760
Speaker 15: we'll we'll try to work that out. But that is

2901
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:46,760
Speaker 15: very true. I've done that before too, and you know,

2902
02:05:46,800 --> 02:05:47,280
Speaker 15: you try.

2903
02:05:47,160 --> 02:05:50,480
Speaker 1: To get to hers what it was. It's not Blake,

2904
02:05:50,720 --> 02:05:52,680
Speaker 1: that's what it was because her and Blake are friend.

2905
02:05:52,840 --> 02:05:54,880
Speaker 1: She was like, she'll send Blake songs and if Blake

2906
02:05:54,920 --> 02:05:57,360
Speaker 1: doesn't reply, that just means he wasn't feeling it.

2907
02:05:57,360 --> 02:05:59,800
Speaker 2: That's their universal language. I used to do that.

2908
02:06:00,720 --> 02:06:02,280
Speaker 15: Yeah, I've done that, and you're kind of like, well

2909
02:06:02,360 --> 02:06:04,800
Speaker 15: he hadn't replied by now, she hadn't replied by now.

2910
02:06:05,120 --> 02:06:06,080
Speaker 15: They don't like it, So.

2911
02:06:06,240 --> 02:06:08,920
Speaker 1: Didn't you send it to someone else if they haven't

2912
02:06:08,920 --> 02:06:12,280
Speaker 1: replied in how much time do you give them?

2913
02:06:12,440 --> 02:06:12,640
Speaker 4: You know?

2914
02:06:12,640 --> 02:06:13,000
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2915
02:06:13,040 --> 02:06:14,720
Speaker 15: These days, I don't think there is any I think

2916
02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:16,600
Speaker 15: they just send it and if you answer first, then

2917
02:06:16,640 --> 02:06:19,160
Speaker 15: it's good some people. But to me, I mean there

2918
02:06:19,160 --> 02:06:23,360
Speaker 15: were some times when you know, I remember like Roller

2919
02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:25,800
Speaker 15: Coaster when when Luke he had that on whole for

2920
02:06:25,800 --> 02:06:27,520
Speaker 15: a long time, and there were other artists that I

2921
02:06:27,560 --> 02:06:31,000
Speaker 15: remember a couple of artists you know, wanted it or

2922
02:06:31,320 --> 02:06:33,360
Speaker 15: their A and R people wanted it for them maybe,

2923
02:06:33,400 --> 02:06:35,480
Speaker 15: and Luke was like, you know, I want this song.

2924
02:06:35,560 --> 02:06:38,320
Speaker 15: He ended up recording it, you know, like after you know,

2925
02:06:38,520 --> 02:06:40,160
Speaker 15: you never know. I mean when you're holding a song,

2926
02:06:40,200 --> 02:06:41,920
Speaker 15: and especially now me knowing as an artist, I mean,

2927
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:44,760
Speaker 15: you're taking a chance on if you don't record it.

2928
02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:47,600
Speaker 15: These writers are missing out on you know, other big

2929
02:06:47,680 --> 02:06:48,720
Speaker 15: artists recording the songs.

2930
02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:49,520
Speaker 12: So food.

2931
02:06:49,560 --> 02:06:51,880
Speaker 15: I mean, that's what and that's why I'm so glad

2932
02:06:51,880 --> 02:06:54,600
Speaker 15: I got to do the writing thing, and I still do.

2933
02:06:54,680 --> 02:06:57,160
Speaker 15: But come up that way because I want to write

2934
02:06:57,200 --> 02:06:59,600
Speaker 15: all my stuff, but I don't have have to. I know,

2935
02:06:59,680 --> 02:07:02,640
Speaker 15: I can't write every song because there's too many great

2936
02:07:02,640 --> 02:07:05,040
Speaker 15: songwriters here. And if they're gonna send me their best stuff,

2937
02:07:05,080 --> 02:07:07,160
Speaker 15: I mean, you know, I think that's how you support

2938
02:07:07,240 --> 02:07:09,240
Speaker 15: the indust I'm not going to record that just because

2939
02:07:09,640 --> 02:07:11,640
Speaker 15: of that reason. But I think there's so many great

2940
02:07:11,680 --> 02:07:13,880
Speaker 15: songs that, you know, we're lucky enough to build a

2941
02:07:13,880 --> 02:07:15,800
Speaker 15: record outside. I mean, I'd like to write them all,

2942
02:07:15,840 --> 02:07:18,960
Speaker 15: but I don't. I'm fortunate to have people sending me

2943
02:07:19,000 --> 02:07:22,160
Speaker 15: theirs now, and that's uh, I'm uh, that's a compliment.

2944
02:07:22,240 --> 02:07:24,000
Speaker 2: So let me ask you something about your boy Luke.

2945
02:07:24,000 --> 02:07:25,840
Speaker 1: Why is he falling down all the time we're talking

2946
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:28,040
Speaker 1: about this today, like he jump on a beer cooler.

2947
02:07:28,840 --> 02:07:31,280
Speaker 15: It's just he's dangerous. I don't know, man, he's worth

2948
02:07:31,320 --> 02:07:33,880
Speaker 15: too much money to be jumping around. I know he's

2949
02:07:33,880 --> 02:07:35,920
Speaker 15: getting a lot of people depending on him out there

2950
02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:38,440
Speaker 15: to that's but he's got too many people to pay.

2951
02:07:38,800 --> 02:07:40,919
Speaker 15: I know he's I don't know, man, he's an entertainer,

2952
02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:44,360
Speaker 15: and that's that's something that I don't know. I literally

2953
02:07:44,360 --> 02:07:47,360
Speaker 15: though I think from being around it, I'm careful, but

2954
02:07:47,480 --> 02:07:50,680
Speaker 15: I have like anxiety about falling off this about your

2955
02:07:50,680 --> 02:07:52,600
Speaker 15: throat ill all of it, man.

2956
02:07:52,480 --> 02:07:56,280
Speaker 1: Because again, if you're not making money, the people that

2957
02:07:56,360 --> 02:07:58,800
Speaker 1: you have you're peging aren't making money.

2958
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:01,800
Speaker 15: And that's that's and that's something that I never you know,

2959
02:08:02,080 --> 02:08:04,040
Speaker 15: you never think about those things when you're chasing a

2960
02:08:04,120 --> 02:08:05,360
Speaker 15: dream that you may get to.

2961
02:08:05,320 --> 02:08:08,000
Speaker 2: A level where you got a lot of.

2962
02:08:07,920 --> 02:08:09,720
Speaker 15: People behind you that are helping you on your team,

2963
02:08:09,720 --> 02:08:12,000
Speaker 15: and every little thing you do, every decision you make,

2964
02:08:12,080 --> 02:08:16,080
Speaker 15: every song you release, every whatever, it matters. But those

2965
02:08:16,080 --> 02:08:18,880
Speaker 15: people and there's people depending on you. And it's a

2966
02:08:18,920 --> 02:08:21,160
Speaker 15: good thing to have responsibility like that. But I don't

2967
02:08:21,200 --> 02:08:24,200
Speaker 15: think some people understand the pressure that we're, you know,

2968
02:08:24,240 --> 02:08:28,000
Speaker 15: put in in these situations. Anybody in the entertainment business

2969
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:30,880
Speaker 15: I'm speaking of. So it's it's a different thing that

2970
02:08:30,920 --> 02:08:33,920
Speaker 15: I don't think some things they really realize that, hey,

2971
02:08:33,960 --> 02:08:37,560
Speaker 15: everything we're doing is affecting all of the people on

2972
02:08:37,600 --> 02:08:38,000
Speaker 15: our team.

2973
02:08:38,120 --> 02:08:40,240
Speaker 1: So let's go back to you moving to Nashalle.

2974
02:08:40,280 --> 02:08:42,560
Speaker 2: So what's it?

2975
02:08:42,720 --> 02:08:46,280
Speaker 1: How old are you? What's the thought? Did you always?

2976
02:08:46,360 --> 02:08:48,400
Speaker 1: I think just put me where you are? How old

2977
02:08:48,440 --> 02:08:48,680
Speaker 1: you were?

2978
02:08:48,800 --> 02:08:53,800
Speaker 15: See a lot of people I was leaving college. I

2979
02:08:53,880 --> 02:08:55,920
Speaker 15: left college. I mean I had like eighteen nineteen hours

2980
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:58,360
Speaker 15: or a lot of people don't even don't know that,

2981
02:08:58,480 --> 02:09:01,240
Speaker 15: but you know, it was just something that I had

2982
02:09:01,240 --> 02:09:03,920
Speaker 15: to do. I was, I was playing shows and I

2983
02:09:03,960 --> 02:09:05,920
Speaker 15: had already just go. When I got to college, I didn't.

2984
02:09:06,120 --> 02:09:08,919
Speaker 15: I was undeclared major. I finally settled in on marketing

2985
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:10,560
Speaker 15: and did got so close.

2986
02:09:10,600 --> 02:09:12,320
Speaker 12: But it was just it was.

2987
02:09:12,280 --> 02:09:14,640
Speaker 15: Time and I knew that I loved music, I knew

2988
02:09:14,640 --> 02:09:16,520
Speaker 15: what I wanted to do, and you know, I knew

2989
02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:18,880
Speaker 15: I had to get to Nashville. So I moved. I was,

2990
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:21,200
Speaker 15: I think twenty three. It was August twenty thirds, my

2991
02:09:21,280 --> 02:09:25,080
Speaker 15: dad's birthday, two thousand and seven. So yeah, August twenty third,

2992
02:09:25,120 --> 02:09:28,080
Speaker 15: two thousand and seven, moved to Nashville. I remember broking

2993
02:09:28,200 --> 02:09:30,920
Speaker 15: my mom. She was clutely, I mean, just couldn't understand.

2994
02:09:30,920 --> 02:09:32,760
Speaker 15: She had never really even seen me play in bars

2995
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:34,920
Speaker 15: or anything. Didn't really understand. She knew I loved music

2996
02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:37,960
Speaker 15: growing up, but it wasn't She had never really seen

2997
02:09:38,080 --> 02:09:40,040
Speaker 15: you know, me play and didn't get it, like some

2998
02:09:40,080 --> 02:09:41,400
Speaker 15: of my friends didn't. There was a lot of people

2999
02:09:41,440 --> 02:09:42,960
Speaker 15: that didn't get it thought I was crazy, and those

3000
02:09:42,960 --> 02:09:44,680
Speaker 15: are the people I think that ended up motivating you.

3001
02:09:44,720 --> 02:09:48,800
Speaker 15: But so I moved to Nashville and I just that was,

3002
02:09:49,200 --> 02:09:50,360
Speaker 15: you know, to write a song. I didn't know what

3003
02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:51,920
Speaker 15: I was going to do. I was in contact with Luke.

3004
02:09:51,960 --> 02:09:54,720
Speaker 15: I had his manager, Carrie, which ended up she's my

3005
02:09:54,760 --> 02:09:58,440
Speaker 15: manager now we you know that he needed a merchandise guy.

3006
02:09:58,360 --> 02:10:00,560
Speaker 12: That did you know Luke like what we met?

3007
02:10:00,640 --> 02:10:00,800
Speaker 9: Uh?

3008
02:10:01,000 --> 02:10:01,080
Speaker 4: He?

3009
02:10:01,240 --> 02:10:04,440
Speaker 15: You know, in college, I was in fraternity fraternity singing

3010
02:10:04,520 --> 02:10:07,120
Speaker 15: with Kay and he was there a few years earlier

3011
02:10:07,120 --> 02:10:09,720
Speaker 15: than me, same fraternity. He was in a band there

3012
02:10:10,120 --> 02:10:11,880
Speaker 15: while he was in college. And they had come back

3013
02:10:11,920 --> 02:10:14,600
Speaker 15: to do like a do a show that weekend and

3014
02:10:14,680 --> 02:10:16,800
Speaker 15: he just stops by and I knew his name and

3015
02:10:17,040 --> 02:10:19,640
Speaker 15: knew that he was pretty popular in the local, you know,

3016
02:10:19,720 --> 02:10:23,080
Speaker 15: coming through Statesboro. So he stopped to change his strings

3017
02:10:23,400 --> 02:10:25,560
Speaker 15: guitar strings for that night, and met him, and he

3018
02:10:25,640 --> 02:10:27,640
Speaker 15: sat down and said, can I care if I play

3019
02:10:27,640 --> 02:10:30,120
Speaker 15: on some stuff I wrote up in Nashville, and I

3020
02:10:30,160 --> 02:10:32,320
Speaker 15: was like, stuff you wrote, you know, I was at

3021
02:10:32,360 --> 02:10:33,960
Speaker 15: that time, I was singing cover songs and on I

3022
02:10:33,960 --> 02:10:36,480
Speaker 15: remember he played a song that he had written and

3023
02:10:36,520 --> 02:10:38,880
Speaker 15: it just blew my mind that he made that up

3024
02:10:38,920 --> 02:10:40,720
Speaker 15: and made me feel like that, you know, and I

3025
02:10:40,760 --> 02:10:43,880
Speaker 15: was like, wow, and that's really that was a big moment.

3026
02:10:43,960 --> 02:10:47,440
Speaker 15: And knowing that, man, some people are behind there's people

3027
02:10:47,480 --> 02:10:49,360
Speaker 15: that aren't singing this that are behind these songs right

3028
02:10:49,440 --> 02:10:52,800
Speaker 15: to men. I learned about who the songwriters were. And

3029
02:10:52,880 --> 02:10:54,480
Speaker 15: from then on, when i'd buy an album, I was

3030
02:10:54,520 --> 02:10:56,640
Speaker 15: looking at every single cut on the album that I

3031
02:10:56,680 --> 02:10:58,560
Speaker 15: loved that I thought maybe he should be on the

3032
02:10:58,640 --> 02:11:01,800
Speaker 15: radio and looking at the right and that, uh, that

3033
02:11:01,960 --> 02:11:04,120
Speaker 15: changed my whole view on song right. And then you know,

3034
02:11:04,160 --> 02:11:07,280
Speaker 15: it was always his demos he'd send me. But you know,

3035
02:11:07,360 --> 02:11:10,520
Speaker 15: then Eric Church's first album, Dirks Bentley's first album came out,

3036
02:11:10,560 --> 02:11:12,680
Speaker 15: and that was just those are the guys that were

3037
02:11:12,680 --> 02:11:15,160
Speaker 15: writing their own songs, and I just I don't know

3038
02:11:15,200 --> 02:11:16,880
Speaker 15: that changed me. I said, I wanted to you know,

3039
02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:18,840
Speaker 15: I knew I wasn't writing the songs I was singing,

3040
02:11:18,840 --> 02:11:20,600
Speaker 15: and I just wanted to be one one of the

3041
02:11:20,600 --> 02:11:22,240
Speaker 15: guys that made people feel the way I did.

3042
02:11:22,280 --> 02:11:24,760
Speaker 1: So, So two thousand and seven, you packed up? Where'd

3043
02:11:24,800 --> 02:11:25,400
Speaker 1: you pack up?

3044
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:28,160
Speaker 15: I mean not a bed, nothing, my clothes. I had

3045
02:11:28,160 --> 02:11:31,480
Speaker 15: a guard you have. I had a ninety six Chevrolet

3046
02:11:31,560 --> 02:11:36,080
Speaker 15: trucks seventy one. That's that's truck. Eyed Well that was

3047
02:11:36,160 --> 02:11:37,520
Speaker 15: what I had when I was sixteen. So I had

3048
02:11:37,520 --> 02:11:40,240
Speaker 15: a just a black Chevrolet truck. So you loaded down,

3049
02:11:40,280 --> 02:11:42,280
Speaker 15: loaded down the trailer behind it, or just put all

3050
02:11:43,000 --> 02:11:45,080
Speaker 15: it was just all in the in the bed. Because

3051
02:11:45,080 --> 02:11:47,680
Speaker 15: I had a guy here that was from close to

3052
02:11:47,720 --> 02:11:52,280
Speaker 15: my town, Cliff Corps, that that had a house here

3053
02:11:52,360 --> 02:11:54,040
Speaker 15: that he was living in and they had a small

3054
02:11:54,120 --> 02:11:56,880
Speaker 15: extra room and he's like, man, there's a there's a bed,

3055
02:11:56,920 --> 02:11:58,440
Speaker 15: but you know you're not even have any room for

3056
02:11:58,480 --> 02:12:00,880
Speaker 15: any furniture anything. There's you have to put your computer

3057
02:12:00,920 --> 02:12:02,880
Speaker 15: in the closet. And I had to get a flat

3058
02:12:02,880 --> 02:12:04,800
Speaker 15: screen TV at that time, I mean they were common,

3059
02:12:04,840 --> 02:12:06,040
Speaker 15: but still that I had to hang it on the

3060
02:12:06,080 --> 02:12:07,680
Speaker 15: wall because it wouldn't even fit in front of the

3061
02:12:07,720 --> 02:12:10,360
Speaker 15: TV where you walked through. So I was never there,

3062
02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:12,320
Speaker 15: you know, I was on the road a lot. I

3063
02:12:12,360 --> 02:12:14,840
Speaker 15: got the merchant Nized job, so that was I didn't

3064
02:12:14,840 --> 02:12:15,680
Speaker 15: have to pack a whole lot.

3065
02:12:15,720 --> 02:12:15,840
Speaker 4: Man.

3066
02:12:15,880 --> 02:12:17,720
Speaker 15: I never when I moved up there, I didn't bring

3067
02:12:17,720 --> 02:12:19,480
Speaker 15: a bed or anything. It just I lived there for

3068
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:22,840
Speaker 15: a while until I moved, you know, probably where I

3069
02:12:22,920 --> 02:12:24,480
Speaker 15: moved after a year, and then I lived there for

3070
02:12:24,520 --> 02:12:25,240
Speaker 15: about six years.

3071
02:12:25,440 --> 02:12:26,000
Speaker 4: So would you do?

3072
02:12:26,040 --> 02:12:28,360
Speaker 1: Did you write Monday through Thursday and then go out

3073
02:12:28,360 --> 02:12:29,960
Speaker 1: and sell merch for Luke on the weekend?

3074
02:12:30,080 --> 02:12:31,360
Speaker 15: And you know, I'd like to say I had it

3075
02:12:31,400 --> 02:12:33,800
Speaker 15: set up like that, but you know, at first, who

3076
02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:36,000
Speaker 15: do you write with? I mean, how I'm a merchandise?

3077
02:12:36,320 --> 02:12:38,560
Speaker 15: Nobody took me serious, and I think that had a

3078
02:12:38,600 --> 02:12:40,080
Speaker 15: lot to do with when I was first coming out,

3079
02:12:40,120 --> 02:12:42,840
Speaker 15: people weren't really sure if I you know, was like,

3080
02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:45,440
Speaker 15: who's this guy that just got off and got off

3081
02:12:45,480 --> 02:12:49,680
Speaker 15: the road? Still in teachers? But I think, uh, you know,

3082
02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:52,680
Speaker 15: I don't know how it happened like that. But to write,

3083
02:12:53,200 --> 02:12:56,440
Speaker 15: you know, every day, you can't do that without appointments,

3084
02:12:56,480 --> 02:12:57,680
Speaker 15: And to me, I had to meet people. So I

3085
02:12:57,720 --> 02:12:59,320
Speaker 15: had a couple buddies that i'd write with, and I

3086
02:12:59,400 --> 02:13:01,480
Speaker 15: might write twice a week if I could. But it's

3087
02:13:01,520 --> 02:13:02,920
Speaker 15: the more I did it, you know, I'd rite on

3088
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:05,040
Speaker 15: the road when I could with Michael, but just thinking

3089
02:13:05,080 --> 02:13:07,600
Speaker 15: about and just knowing that, Man, I'm not there yet.

3090
02:13:07,640 --> 02:13:09,160
Speaker 15: I'm not there yet. I mean, I can't wait till

3091
02:13:09,160 --> 02:13:10,680
Speaker 15: one day get in the room with some of these

3092
02:13:10,720 --> 02:13:13,320
Speaker 15: guys and I can learn. And but I'm glad I didn't.

3093
02:13:13,360 --> 02:13:15,120
Speaker 15: I'm glad I had to learn by myself with the

3094
02:13:15,120 --> 02:13:16,920
Speaker 15: guys that were on my level. And I think that's

3095
02:13:17,000 --> 02:13:19,720
Speaker 15: how you that's how you grow, and it's you know,

3096
02:13:19,920 --> 02:13:22,240
Speaker 15: I wrote when I could, but the more I did,

3097
02:13:22,280 --> 02:13:23,920
Speaker 15: the more I you know, I think you got the

3098
02:13:23,960 --> 02:13:25,760
Speaker 15: feel of it. And it was just a dignity that

3099
02:13:26,080 --> 02:13:28,680
Speaker 15: feeling I used to have on stage of entertaining and

3100
02:13:28,720 --> 02:13:29,760
Speaker 15: watching people have fun.

3101
02:13:30,440 --> 02:13:31,080
Speaker 2: Now it was.

3102
02:13:31,080 --> 02:13:33,080
Speaker 15: Coming up with that line or what I thought was

3103
02:13:33,120 --> 02:13:35,320
Speaker 15: good and that feeling. It just took over. And so

3104
02:13:35,760 --> 02:13:38,480
Speaker 15: songwriting was my new love at that point.

3105
02:13:39,080 --> 02:13:42,840
Speaker 1: So when you were selling for Luke, did he know

3106
02:13:43,000 --> 02:13:44,960
Speaker 1: you wanted to be an artist? And is that a

3107
02:13:44,960 --> 02:13:47,360
Speaker 1: weird dynamic because of that?

3108
02:13:47,880 --> 02:13:49,760
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean I don't think, you know, he knew

3109
02:13:49,800 --> 02:13:52,400
Speaker 15: that I was interesting, use he knew I loved music

3110
02:13:52,440 --> 02:13:54,640
Speaker 15: and I wanted to be a songwriter. And I think

3111
02:13:54,680 --> 02:13:57,040
Speaker 15: he you know, that was his way of saying, hey, well,

3112
02:13:57,160 --> 02:13:59,560
Speaker 15: you know, come out here and see what goes on

3113
02:13:59,640 --> 02:14:02,680
Speaker 15: and kind. It wasn't a really long term plan, but

3114
02:14:02,720 --> 02:14:05,040
Speaker 15: it was something I went out one weekend and ended

3115
02:14:05,120 --> 02:14:07,640
Speaker 15: up being at for like three years. But you know,

3116
02:14:07,720 --> 02:14:09,640
Speaker 15: that's not what I moved to do. But it gave

3117
02:14:09,640 --> 02:14:11,920
Speaker 15: me an opportunity to just be around the business and

3118
02:14:11,960 --> 02:14:14,120
Speaker 15: be around radio and see how a new artist. I

3119
02:14:14,120 --> 02:14:16,920
Speaker 15: mean see, I'd always thought Luke was the big star

3120
02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:18,600
Speaker 15: back that he is now, but it just, you know,

3121
02:14:18,640 --> 02:14:21,320
Speaker 15: it took a little bit for everything to catch on,

3122
02:14:21,480 --> 02:14:23,720
Speaker 15: but for me to see how he did things, how

3123
02:14:23,760 --> 02:14:27,080
Speaker 15: he treated people, you know, his team, It just think

3124
02:14:27,120 --> 02:14:28,760
Speaker 15: it helped me when I finally got my chance. I

3125
02:14:28,760 --> 02:14:30,920
Speaker 15: felt like I had been around it. I'd seen the

3126
02:14:30,920 --> 02:14:34,120
Speaker 15: good and the bad of the business. I'd seen singles taught,

3127
02:14:34,160 --> 02:14:36,640
Speaker 15: the charts i'd seen. I saw me and him both

3128
02:14:36,720 --> 02:14:39,600
Speaker 15: loved you know, Die thirty seven, and it just, you know,

3129
02:14:39,680 --> 02:14:42,000
Speaker 15: things like that I had going through that with a

3130
02:14:42,040 --> 02:14:44,520
Speaker 15: friend and then finally getting your chance like I do now.

3131
02:14:44,560 --> 02:14:47,880
Speaker 15: I mean, I obviously can't thank him enough, but I think,

3132
02:14:48,720 --> 02:14:50,280
Speaker 15: you know, things like that make you want to get

3133
02:14:50,280 --> 02:14:52,560
Speaker 15: to a point where you can give back and help people,

3134
02:14:52,560 --> 02:14:56,880
Speaker 15: because he certainly you know, put his name out there,

3135
02:14:56,880 --> 02:14:58,720
Speaker 15: and I've tried to.

3136
02:14:58,720 --> 02:14:59,120
Speaker 2: Do the best.

3137
02:14:59,160 --> 02:15:00,080
Speaker 12: I can write the best.

3138
02:15:00,400 --> 02:15:02,200
Speaker 15: And you know, make a name for myself.

3139
02:15:02,280 --> 02:15:04,840
Speaker 1: Talking about the hat because everybody thinks it means Cole

3140
02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:08,280
Speaker 1: Swindell and it doesn't. But tell me about the hat

3141
02:15:08,360 --> 02:15:10,280
Speaker 1: and why you wear that hat all the time. Could

3142
02:15:10,280 --> 02:15:11,240
Speaker 1: you not make any money off the hat?

3143
02:15:11,280 --> 02:15:11,640
Speaker 4: Are you?

3144
02:15:11,680 --> 02:15:12,240
Speaker 2: No?

3145
02:15:12,240 --> 02:15:15,120
Speaker 15: No, I don't, I don't know. I'm just obviously a

3146
02:15:15,200 --> 02:15:17,560
Speaker 15: hat guy is kind of kind of my thing. And

3147
02:15:17,880 --> 02:15:21,680
Speaker 15: the Georgia Southern thing, it just I remember when I

3148
02:15:21,720 --> 02:15:23,400
Speaker 15: went out and did some of my first shows when

3149
02:15:23,440 --> 02:15:24,960
Speaker 15: I got my band and I was gonna try to

3150
02:15:24,960 --> 02:15:27,240
Speaker 15: start getting a record deal. You know, I had a

3151
02:15:27,360 --> 02:15:29,760
Speaker 15: Georgia Southern baseball hat, one of the new ones, and

3152
02:15:29,800 --> 02:15:31,960
Speaker 15: I was like, I'm just gonna rock this, and we

3153
02:15:32,080 --> 02:15:34,680
Speaker 15: ended up out on a big tour and the just

3154
02:15:34,720 --> 02:15:36,800
Speaker 15: pictures on the internet, you know, like coming out there,

3155
02:15:36,800 --> 02:15:40,080
Speaker 15: like who's this guy wearing the Georgia Southern people, you know,

3156
02:15:40,160 --> 02:15:42,080
Speaker 15: we're noticing that. I saw a lot of alumni that

3157
02:15:42,800 --> 02:15:45,160
Speaker 15: were like, this guy's repping our college, you know. And

3158
02:15:45,200 --> 02:15:47,840
Speaker 15: I went to school there for six years and our

3159
02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:50,720
Speaker 15: five five years something, and you know it's where I

3160
02:15:50,760 --> 02:15:52,280
Speaker 15: got my start, and it just kind of I don't know.

3161
02:15:52,320 --> 02:15:55,480
Speaker 15: I like to to be loyal to where I come from,

3162
02:15:55,520 --> 02:15:57,360
Speaker 15: and it just kind of stuck with me. And then

3163
02:15:57,520 --> 02:16:00,320
Speaker 15: people think it means I know, I don't know house

3164
02:16:00,360 --> 02:16:02,560
Speaker 15: because it looks like a C. I understand that. But

3165
02:16:02,640 --> 02:16:04,520
Speaker 15: if you look it is a it's obviously, but I

3166
02:16:04,560 --> 02:16:07,080
Speaker 15: can understand it. So maybe, look, you've got all kind

3167
02:16:07,080 --> 02:16:08,840
Speaker 15: of cool hats, so maybe we can just design me

3168
02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:10,760
Speaker 15: a new And I don't know, I don't do you

3169
02:16:10,760 --> 02:16:13,360
Speaker 15: even want that? No, I mean a lot of people

3170
02:16:13,400 --> 02:16:15,120
Speaker 15: think it's my initials.

3171
02:16:15,120 --> 02:16:17,520
Speaker 2: But what if you don't make any money off that

3172
02:16:17,560 --> 02:16:18,360
Speaker 2: Georgia Southern hat.

3173
02:16:18,520 --> 02:16:20,920
Speaker 15: No, I just I just think it's something that nobody

3174
02:16:20,920 --> 02:16:22,600
Speaker 15: knows to Georgia southing. And I get a chance to

3175
02:16:22,640 --> 02:16:26,040
Speaker 15: represent my college where my family we all, I mean everybody.

3176
02:16:26,040 --> 02:16:28,560
Speaker 15: I think everybody graduated with me from there, but everybody

3177
02:16:28,640 --> 02:16:30,040
Speaker 15: went there, and it's just I don't know.

3178
02:16:30,080 --> 02:16:30,560
Speaker 2: I love that.

3179
02:16:30,520 --> 02:16:32,880
Speaker 1: Schooling and commendable look out the state of Arkansas attitude

3180
02:16:32,879 --> 02:16:35,959
Speaker 1: to my body. I love representing home. I don't always wondered.

3181
02:16:35,800 --> 02:16:38,000
Speaker 15: I got you. Yeah, well you know I appreciate do

3182
02:16:38,040 --> 02:16:41,000
Speaker 15: you sell Georgia's other hats at your shows. No, they

3183
02:16:41,080 --> 02:16:43,280
Speaker 15: have them in the bookstore like at the college. So

3184
02:16:43,320 --> 02:16:45,560
Speaker 15: it's like, I mean, they had a graph of the

3185
02:16:45,600 --> 02:16:47,959
Speaker 15: sales of baseball hats before I started wearing it now

3186
02:16:47,959 --> 02:16:49,240
Speaker 15: and it's pretty it's pretty funny.

3187
02:16:49,280 --> 02:16:51,560
Speaker 4: But to me, it's the col merch booth of the college.

3188
02:16:51,560 --> 02:16:53,080
Speaker 15: I mean, I know, but I make I mean, you know,

3189
02:16:53,120 --> 02:16:55,480
Speaker 15: I have my own line of merch down there at

3190
02:16:55,480 --> 02:16:58,240
Speaker 15: Georgia Southern now, so it's I don't know, I mean,

3191
02:16:58,240 --> 02:17:00,200
Speaker 15: they don't do anything like the baseball hats, but it's

3192
02:17:00,200 --> 02:17:02,560
Speaker 15: still I mean, just to be tied in when I

3193
02:17:02,640 --> 02:17:04,240
Speaker 15: used to be a kid in that bookstore. Now I

3194
02:17:04,240 --> 02:17:07,120
Speaker 15: have stuff in there. But it's it's pretty wild to

3195
02:17:07,600 --> 02:17:10,000
Speaker 15: think about that. But there, I know they're proud of me,

3196
02:17:10,080 --> 02:17:13,280
Speaker 15: and I'm proud to represent them. So I'm glad, glad

3197
02:17:13,360 --> 02:17:15,320
Speaker 15: you uh know, proud of where you come from.

3198
02:17:15,440 --> 02:17:17,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I know this story. I just wanted you

3199
02:17:17,240 --> 02:17:19,320
Speaker 1: to say any because a lot of people don't know.

3200
02:17:19,560 --> 02:17:20,879
Speaker 15: I well, thank you, and this is a lot of

3201
02:17:20,879 --> 02:17:23,360
Speaker 15: people listening and this is my only way. And that's

3202
02:17:23,360 --> 02:17:25,720
Speaker 15: funny about people tweeting and stuff like when I get

3203
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:28,240
Speaker 15: you know, a couple of TV moments here and there.

3204
02:17:28,240 --> 02:17:30,200
Speaker 15: But when I do, that's like the meanest thing. It's like,

3205
02:17:31,160 --> 02:17:33,120
Speaker 15: why does this guy think he can just wear his

3206
02:17:33,160 --> 02:17:35,800
Speaker 15: initial And it's like, well, okay, I mean that's not

3207
02:17:35,920 --> 02:17:38,200
Speaker 15: that worst thing. I guess I can. I can deal

3208
02:17:38,240 --> 02:17:40,600
Speaker 15: with that, but uh yeah, well who knows, Maybe I'll

3209
02:17:40,680 --> 02:17:42,480
Speaker 15: change it someday.

3210
02:17:43,720 --> 02:17:45,840
Speaker 1: Here's Thomas Rhett talking about what it was like growing

3211
02:17:45,920 --> 02:17:48,480
Speaker 1: up with a famous dad and talking about writing songs

3212
02:17:48,480 --> 02:17:50,400
Speaker 1: for other artists and how he felt like he had

3213
02:17:50,400 --> 02:17:53,920
Speaker 1: to prove to people that he was country. It's kind

3214
02:17:53,920 --> 02:17:55,480
Speaker 1: of wild too, Like your kids are going to grow

3215
02:17:55,560 --> 02:17:58,200
Speaker 1: up in an environment of knowing terrifies me all the

3216
02:17:59,000 --> 02:18:02,640
Speaker 1: like all the Country Star La New York yep, Like

3217
02:18:02,680 --> 02:18:06,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna have I say different. But I mean you

3218
02:18:06,040 --> 02:18:08,480
Speaker 1: grew up knowing some of these guys, Like yeah, when

3219
02:18:08,480 --> 02:18:11,000
Speaker 1: you grew up in Nashville. Ye, Like did you know McGraw?

3220
02:18:11,280 --> 02:18:13,640
Speaker 1: I did from an early age.

3221
02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:15,880
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean not so much McGraw. I mean I

3222
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:18,240
Speaker 16: met MacGraw when I was nine. I met Garth when

3223
02:18:18,240 --> 02:18:21,160
Speaker 16: I was like eight or nine years old. We spent

3224
02:18:21,240 --> 02:18:24,279
Speaker 16: like a couple of halloweens over at Reba's house, mostly

3225
02:18:24,280 --> 02:18:26,320
Speaker 16: people that dad toured with. I knew pretty well Blake

3226
02:18:26,360 --> 02:18:28,320
Speaker 16: Shelton when he is back in his younger in his

3227
02:18:28,360 --> 02:18:31,240
Speaker 16: younger days, not saying that you're old, Blake, you're younger.

3228
02:18:31,240 --> 02:18:33,920
Speaker 12: Then he's a big fan. He'll for sure he this, Yeah,

3229
02:18:33,920 --> 02:18:34,600
Speaker 12: for sure.

3230
02:18:35,920 --> 02:18:38,440
Speaker 16: But uh yeah, man, I definitely grew up in that environment.

3231
02:18:38,480 --> 02:18:39,080
Speaker 12: But it was so different.

3232
02:18:39,080 --> 02:18:41,160
Speaker 16: Social media didn't exist then, you know what I mean,

3233
02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:42,960
Speaker 16: Like if if there was an artist that did something

3234
02:18:43,000 --> 02:18:44,640
Speaker 16: that was worth talking about, it was in the newspaper.

3235
02:18:45,560 --> 02:18:48,000
Speaker 16: Just so different now, like if something happens this immediately

3236
02:18:48,640 --> 02:18:49,879
Speaker 16: for anyone in the world to see.

3237
02:18:50,000 --> 02:18:51,600
Speaker 1: Do you and Lauren have the talks about the kids

3238
02:18:51,600 --> 02:18:54,160
Speaker 1: on Instagram and the kids on Twitter and like give rules?

3239
02:18:54,280 --> 02:18:55,920
Speaker 16: We talk about it daily, man, And we get asked

3240
02:18:55,959 --> 02:18:57,800
Speaker 16: that question quite a bit, like what is the balance?

3241
02:18:57,840 --> 02:18:59,560
Speaker 16: And I think we're still trying to figure it out.

3242
02:18:59,600 --> 02:19:01,680
Speaker 16: But I think through it all, me and Laurena are

3243
02:19:01,720 --> 02:19:04,640
Speaker 16: still trying to be super real to how we like

3244
02:19:04,680 --> 02:19:06,600
Speaker 16: to live life. And ever since we got married. We're

3245
02:19:06,600 --> 02:19:09,320
Speaker 16: both twenty two and we got married, and my fans

3246
02:19:09,320 --> 02:19:10,800
Speaker 16: have known that I was married. Since I was married,

3247
02:19:10,959 --> 02:19:12,680
Speaker 16: there was no ever trying to be like, hey, I'm

3248
02:19:12,680 --> 02:19:15,360
Speaker 16: still the single dude, you know what I'm saying, Because

3249
02:19:15,360 --> 02:19:17,960
Speaker 16: I think in a lot of formats it's like, well,

3250
02:19:17,959 --> 02:19:19,480
Speaker 16: you want to be accessible and you want to be

3251
02:19:19,520 --> 02:19:22,200
Speaker 16: the single guy because they think that it drives more

3252
02:19:22,240 --> 02:19:24,440
Speaker 16: fans your way. But that's never something that I really

3253
02:19:24,520 --> 02:19:26,800
Speaker 16: believed in. And so Lauren has been such a huge

3254
02:19:26,840 --> 02:19:28,920
Speaker 16: part of my social media platform that like, when our

3255
02:19:28,959 --> 02:19:31,080
Speaker 16: kids got here, it was like, yeah, there's a lot

3256
02:19:31,120 --> 02:19:33,160
Speaker 16: of things that are too personal that we're definitely going

3257
02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:35,720
Speaker 16: to save for our own family group text and our

3258
02:19:35,760 --> 02:19:39,920
Speaker 16: private Instagram pages and stuff. But like, I mean, you know,

3259
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:42,880
Speaker 16: we're a family of two kids, and we're gonna project that,

3260
02:19:42,920 --> 02:19:45,560
Speaker 16: you know what I'm saying, And so there's a lot

3261
02:19:45,560 --> 02:19:47,240
Speaker 16: of people that are like, well, maybe that's not protective

3262
02:19:47,240 --> 02:19:49,160
Speaker 16: of your kids, and it's just like, well, the part

3263
02:19:49,200 --> 02:19:51,280
Speaker 16: of our lives and we've always been super transparent and

3264
02:19:51,320 --> 02:19:53,880
Speaker 16: we've always kind of told whatever's on our sleeve is

3265
02:19:53,879 --> 02:19:55,880
Speaker 16: going to be kind of on Instagram, and we're pretty

3266
02:19:55,920 --> 02:19:57,640
Speaker 16: real about the stuff that we deal with and the

3267
02:19:57,640 --> 02:20:00,879
Speaker 16: stuff that we struggle with. I just think it's I

3268
02:20:00,879 --> 02:20:02,360
Speaker 16: just think more so than anything, it's more of a,

3269
02:20:02,440 --> 02:20:04,440
Speaker 16: like you said, a positive influence to other families that

3270
02:20:04,480 --> 02:20:06,240
Speaker 16: have kids and just realize that every day is not

3271
02:20:06,400 --> 02:20:07,400
Speaker 16: rainbows and butterflies.

3272
02:20:08,200 --> 02:20:11,879
Speaker 1: And also, nobody's wrong, right, I mean, I think that's

3273
02:20:11,879 --> 02:20:15,480
Speaker 1: a thing to understand too. Is that because somebody disagrees

3274
02:20:16,160 --> 02:20:18,680
Speaker 1: that you put your kids on Instagram? Yeah, and because

3275
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:21,160
Speaker 1: maybe they don't, they're not right or wrong exactly right

3276
02:20:21,240 --> 02:20:23,640
Speaker 1: or wrong. There are much like music, there are just

3277
02:20:23,680 --> 02:20:24,760
Speaker 1: different ways to do yeah.

3278
02:20:25,080 --> 02:20:27,480
Speaker 12: Yeah, and it doesn't make you right or wrong.

3279
02:20:27,760 --> 02:20:29,800
Speaker 1: You can be different, yes, and you don't have to

3280
02:20:29,800 --> 02:20:32,680
Speaker 1: hate somebody that's different exactly. But we're in that climate

3281
02:20:32,959 --> 02:20:35,840
Speaker 1: where it's like so it be a climate, political climate,

3282
02:20:35,840 --> 02:20:36,920
Speaker 1: it's all all the time.

3283
02:20:37,040 --> 02:20:38,280
Speaker 12: It is so frustrating to me.

3284
02:20:38,480 --> 02:20:40,520
Speaker 16: Probably one of the biggest frustrating factors in my life

3285
02:20:40,560 --> 02:20:43,400
Speaker 16: of the last five years have been Instagram or Twitter

3286
02:20:43,560 --> 02:20:44,000
Speaker 16: or whatever.

3287
02:20:44,320 --> 02:20:48,040
Speaker 1: And it's funny because Instagram is a big part of

3288
02:20:48,040 --> 02:20:50,640
Speaker 1: your successful career too, yet it's still one of the

3289
02:20:50,640 --> 02:20:51,920
Speaker 1: most frustrating parts of it as well.

3290
02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:52,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3291
02:20:52,200 --> 02:20:54,879
Speaker 16: It's such a blessing and a curse, you know, because

3292
02:20:54,920 --> 02:20:56,560
Speaker 16: all you want to do is use your Instagram for

3293
02:20:56,680 --> 02:21:01,360
Speaker 16: a platform and use it to just promote positivity and

3294
02:21:01,400 --> 02:21:03,840
Speaker 16: love and peace and all these things. But it's just like,

3295
02:21:04,400 --> 02:21:06,720
Speaker 16: it doesn't matter what you or I post, there's going

3296
02:21:06,800 --> 02:21:08,040
Speaker 16: to be something ridiculous on there.

3297
02:21:08,040 --> 02:21:08,520
Speaker 2: I posted a.

3298
02:21:08,480 --> 02:21:11,320
Speaker 16: Picture yesterday or video yesterday just of saying, like what

3299
02:21:11,360 --> 02:21:13,720
Speaker 16: my new single is going to be? The first comment

3300
02:21:13,760 --> 02:21:16,480
Speaker 16: was shave your beard? You know what I'm saying. I'm like,

3301
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:19,920
Speaker 16: first of all, what do you?

3302
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:21,240
Speaker 12: What are you doing in your life?

3303
02:21:21,320 --> 02:21:23,360
Speaker 16: You have time to just say that to me. You

3304
02:21:23,360 --> 02:21:25,160
Speaker 16: know what I'm saying, like or like, hey, bend the

3305
02:21:25,160 --> 02:21:26,000
Speaker 16: bill of your hat.

3306
02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:30,280
Speaker 1: But okay, let me play Devil's advocate because I agree,

3307
02:21:30,280 --> 02:21:30,840
Speaker 1: what a dumb thing.

3308
02:21:31,000 --> 02:21:33,360
Speaker 12: But you remember that, like, right, That's what I'm saying.

3309
02:21:33,400 --> 02:21:36,080
Speaker 12: I'm giving that person they got noticed.

3310
02:21:36,760 --> 02:21:39,000
Speaker 1: On your next Instagram, I'm gonna write, hey, been the

3311
02:21:39,000 --> 02:21:39,560
Speaker 1: bill of your hat?

3312
02:21:39,640 --> 02:21:41,720
Speaker 12: Right, and I'll remember that some likes I know.

3313
02:21:41,680 --> 02:21:44,840
Speaker 1: It on that what's frustrating for me And I don't know,

3314
02:21:45,840 --> 02:21:48,240
Speaker 1: and I'm not speaking for you, but I know watching

3315
02:21:48,280 --> 02:21:50,000
Speaker 1: you and I'm a big fan of how you.

3316
02:21:49,920 --> 02:21:50,760
Speaker 12: Do your music.

3317
02:21:50,959 --> 02:21:54,879
Speaker 1: Thanks You're you're pretty unapologetic about this is my style?

3318
02:21:55,000 --> 02:21:58,400
Speaker 12: Sure, like this is me and okay, you can get

3319
02:21:58,400 --> 02:21:59,959
Speaker 12: a feeling as mutual man, so you can get all

3320
02:22:00,160 --> 02:22:01,440
Speaker 12: you can get off the ride. But I'm just gonna

3321
02:22:01,440 --> 02:22:01,920
Speaker 12: do what I do.

3322
02:22:02,040 --> 02:22:05,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I know that for me to watch at

3323
02:22:05,920 --> 02:22:08,240
Speaker 1: times some of what to call it the old guard

3324
02:22:08,360 --> 02:22:09,720
Speaker 1: or to go that's.

3325
02:22:09,560 --> 02:22:12,879
Speaker 12: That guy is not country. Yeah, that frustrates me.

3326
02:22:13,000 --> 02:22:15,320
Speaker 1: For you, I don't know how you feel about that,

3327
02:22:15,360 --> 02:22:17,360
Speaker 1: but that for me, I'm like, God, if you guys

3328
02:22:17,360 --> 02:22:19,560
Speaker 1: even just knew like that, dude, as a country.

3329
02:22:19,240 --> 02:22:23,720
Speaker 16: As can be, right, Yeah, man, yeah, I mean that that.

3330
02:22:23,720 --> 02:22:25,760
Speaker 16: That's been my life as a country artists, not necessarily

3331
02:22:25,800 --> 02:22:27,959
Speaker 16: in the beginning, but I'll say on my second record,

3332
02:22:28,000 --> 02:22:31,680
Speaker 16: when I started to like lean way more just progressive

3333
02:22:31,680 --> 02:22:34,480
Speaker 16: as far as production goes, and started to take my

3334
02:22:34,520 --> 02:22:37,400
Speaker 16: singing a whole lot more seriously and doing vocal lessons

3335
02:22:37,440 --> 02:22:39,000
Speaker 16: and all this stuff, trying to just make my record

3336
02:22:39,120 --> 02:22:42,360
Speaker 16: sound like something that wasn't happening in our genre. Dude,

3337
02:22:42,400 --> 02:22:45,600
Speaker 16: I have gotten more comments of you are not country

3338
02:22:45,720 --> 02:22:48,200
Speaker 16: or you are ruining the face of our genre. Might

3339
02:22:48,200 --> 02:22:50,320
Speaker 16: as well quit now, Like I mean, if I could mean,

3340
02:22:50,320 --> 02:22:52,280
Speaker 16: there's I mean, I'm sure that you've had some of

3341
02:22:52,280 --> 02:22:55,640
Speaker 16: those similar comments, but it's just like it in the

3342
02:22:55,640 --> 02:22:57,320
Speaker 16: beginning of the of those days, it was just like,

3343
02:22:57,360 --> 02:22:59,600
Speaker 16: you know what, maybe they're right, you know, what I mean, like,

3344
02:22:59,640 --> 02:23:03,080
Speaker 16: and I think that's the poor four in my enneagram going,

3345
02:23:03,080 --> 02:23:06,080
Speaker 16: They're right, I suck. I'm defeated. It's better for me

3346
02:23:06,120 --> 02:23:09,040
Speaker 16: to quit for the whole world than they.

3347
02:23:09,040 --> 02:23:10,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna take one for the world the team, I'm

3348
02:23:10,600 --> 02:23:11,760
Speaker 1: gonna take one for the world.

3349
02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:15,080
Speaker 16: Yeah, but really I'm taking one for like sixty people. Yeah,

3350
02:23:15,120 --> 02:23:15,680
Speaker 16: you know what I'm saying.

3351
02:23:15,920 --> 02:23:17,240
Speaker 12: A small vocal.

3352
02:23:17,000 --> 02:23:19,280
Speaker 16: My very small vocal minority. And the more I thought

3353
02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:22,560
Speaker 16: about it, I was like, you're not country. You're not country? Okay,

3354
02:23:22,640 --> 02:23:26,040
Speaker 16: Why why am I not country? Well, you don't wear

3355
02:23:26,120 --> 02:23:30,000
Speaker 16: cowboy boots on stage? Okay, let me mentally go through that.

3356
02:23:30,320 --> 02:23:32,320
Speaker 16: The reason I don't wear cowboy boots on stage is

3357
02:23:32,320 --> 02:23:34,240
Speaker 16: because I jump up and down like a crazy person.

3358
02:23:34,720 --> 02:23:37,120
Speaker 16: And on the Aldean tour in twenty thirteen, his thrust

3359
02:23:37,240 --> 02:23:40,080
Speaker 16: was this metal grating material and I was wearing snip

3360
02:23:40,080 --> 02:23:42,480
Speaker 16: toed cowboy boots and got stuck in them every night.

3361
02:23:42,760 --> 02:23:44,640
Speaker 16: That's the reason I don't work cawboy boots on stage.

3362
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:47,959
Speaker 16: Does that make me not country? I think, no, you're

3363
02:23:48,000 --> 02:23:50,960
Speaker 16: not country because your music doesn't a fiddle in it.

3364
02:23:52,240 --> 02:23:54,520
Speaker 16: I would say ninety eight percent of songs on country radio,

3365
02:23:54,560 --> 02:23:57,039
Speaker 16: don't have a fiddle in it. There's another one, you

3366
02:23:57,040 --> 02:23:58,560
Speaker 16: know what I'm saying, And so you just have to

3367
02:23:58,600 --> 02:24:01,880
Speaker 16: like do this self check. I think through therapy and

3368
02:24:02,040 --> 02:24:04,080
Speaker 16: you know, through talking with my wife and talking to

3369
02:24:04,080 --> 02:24:05,680
Speaker 16: people that I trust about it. It's just like, dude,

3370
02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:07,560
Speaker 16: at the end of the day, is country music not

3371
02:24:07,640 --> 02:24:09,920
Speaker 16: about being yourself? And his country music not about telling

3372
02:24:09,959 --> 02:24:11,800
Speaker 16: the truth in a story? Do I do both those things?

3373
02:24:11,879 --> 02:24:15,039
Speaker 12: Yes? Do I dress a little different? Yes? Are some

3374
02:24:15,080 --> 02:24:18,160
Speaker 12: of my songs more progressive than some things on country radio. Yes,

3375
02:24:18,800 --> 02:24:19,400
Speaker 12: I'm allowed to.

3376
02:24:19,400 --> 02:24:22,520
Speaker 16: Explore my outlets, you know what I'm saying. Like you

3377
02:24:22,560 --> 02:24:24,960
Speaker 16: look back at any and we I think we've had

3378
02:24:25,000 --> 02:24:27,640
Speaker 16: this conversation before. But when Merle Haggard and Willie Nelson,

3379
02:24:27,640 --> 02:24:30,640
Speaker 16: all these dudes came out, they were called outlaws.

3380
02:24:30,120 --> 02:24:30,720
Speaker 12: For a reason.

3381
02:24:31,360 --> 02:24:32,960
Speaker 16: An outlaw is not just a term that you used

3382
02:24:32,959 --> 02:24:36,000
Speaker 16: to describe country music today. It is every twenty years

3383
02:24:36,000 --> 02:24:37,480
Speaker 16: we look back at the artists twenty years ago and

3384
02:24:37,520 --> 02:24:39,760
Speaker 16: say that was real country music. You know what I'm saying.

3385
02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:42,039
Speaker 16: We say Shanaia Twain is real country music. At the time,

3386
02:24:42,240 --> 02:24:44,520
Speaker 16: she was a pop singer. They told her on Instagram

3387
02:24:44,520 --> 02:24:45,600
Speaker 16: shave or beard she was.

3388
02:24:47,440 --> 02:24:49,000
Speaker 1: I was talking to Garth and he said to say,

3389
02:24:49,080 --> 02:24:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, that's my favorite one to share with people

3390
02:24:50,680 --> 02:24:53,840
Speaker 1: who go, uh, it's Garth thrial country. Garth was like, dude,

3391
02:24:53,879 --> 02:24:56,039
Speaker 1: country music did not embrace me. No, he was like,

3392
02:24:56,080 --> 02:24:58,960
Speaker 1: they were antis. I came to town and they were like,

3393
02:24:58,959 --> 02:25:00,600
Speaker 1: you're not country. Get out of here, like what are you?

3394
02:25:01,240 --> 02:25:03,000
Speaker 1: And you can go through and you can go back.

3395
02:25:03,040 --> 02:25:05,520
Speaker 1: And you mentioned some of those guys, but everyone that

3396
02:25:05,560 --> 02:25:09,200
Speaker 1: has changed the music for the better, because they're the

3397
02:25:09,200 --> 02:25:11,840
Speaker 1: ones who we remember as being successful, has been not

3398
02:25:12,080 --> 02:25:13,240
Speaker 1: country exactly.

3399
02:25:13,640 --> 02:25:16,200
Speaker 16: And in any genre people hated and people hated the

3400
02:25:16,360 --> 02:25:18,400
Speaker 16: land because they weren't the Beatles in any art, in

3401
02:25:18,480 --> 02:25:21,480
Speaker 16: any not even just music, in any art whatsoever.

3402
02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:25,600
Speaker 1: You can look at comedy or visual art, just whatever.

3403
02:25:25,879 --> 02:25:28,039
Speaker 1: People that break the mold and are not get the

3404
02:25:28,040 --> 02:25:30,160
Speaker 1: finger like you're not this are the ones that create

3405
02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:33,800
Speaker 1: the new this exactly. And so that's always what's frustrated

3406
02:25:33,840 --> 02:25:36,959
Speaker 1: me for you, and partially too, I think selfishly, when

3407
02:25:36,959 --> 02:25:40,320
Speaker 1: I came to town, it was hey, you're not country,

3408
02:25:40,440 --> 02:25:43,320
Speaker 1: and I'm going m I grew up a mountain pine

3409
02:25:43,360 --> 02:25:47,800
Speaker 1: arch and like, I live in a trailer, Like what

3410
02:25:48,720 --> 02:25:51,000
Speaker 1: animal do you want me to clean because I can

3411
02:25:51,320 --> 02:25:54,640
Speaker 1: any of them. And I started to think, what makes

3412
02:25:54,680 --> 02:25:57,440
Speaker 1: me not have an accent? What makes me not a country?

3413
02:25:57,959 --> 02:26:00,560
Speaker 1: Was it because I was doing it popping hip hop

3414
02:26:00,600 --> 02:26:01,920
Speaker 1: for a while, because that was where I got my

3415
02:26:01,959 --> 02:26:04,600
Speaker 1: first job? I said, because I come on and I

3416
02:26:04,640 --> 02:26:06,840
Speaker 1: just tell my truth all the time. I'm very authentic

3417
02:26:06,840 --> 02:26:09,120
Speaker 1: about my message. Absolutely, And CBS did a story like

3418
02:26:09,120 --> 02:26:11,160
Speaker 1: he doesn't wear cowboy boots or a cowboy hat.

3419
02:26:11,400 --> 02:26:16,000
Speaker 12: He's he's the renegade, Like, isn't country? Just tell him

3420
02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:17,800
Speaker 12: the truth? Yeah, you don't have to be from the South.

3421
02:26:17,879 --> 02:26:19,920
Speaker 1: I am you are, so we kind of get that

3422
02:26:19,959 --> 02:26:21,920
Speaker 1: little nickel that we can defend.

3423
02:26:22,120 --> 02:26:26,040
Speaker 12: Yeah, but there's more seen more country folks in New York,

3424
02:26:26,160 --> 02:26:28,160
Speaker 12: upstate New York. I was about to say, I was

3425
02:26:28,240 --> 02:26:30,160
Speaker 12: just up there and it was country as crap, or

3426
02:26:30,200 --> 02:26:32,320
Speaker 12: like right outside of DC, like northern Virginia.

3427
02:26:32,440 --> 02:26:32,600
Speaker 2: Yep.

3428
02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:35,199
Speaker 12: So like, I feel your pain.

3429
02:26:35,360 --> 02:26:37,400
Speaker 1: And sometimes when I see people write stuff, I'm like,

3430
02:26:38,160 --> 02:26:39,880
Speaker 1: you know what, First of all, who cares? But second

3431
02:26:39,920 --> 02:26:42,520
Speaker 1: of all, I go I know, as a creator, after

3432
02:26:42,560 --> 02:26:44,560
Speaker 1: a while, it starts to go, oh, it just gets

3433
02:26:44,560 --> 02:26:45,920
Speaker 1: to be a weight that you almost don't like to

3434
02:26:45,920 --> 02:26:49,400
Speaker 1: acknowledge because you're giving them power for sure, but it's real.

3435
02:26:49,680 --> 02:26:51,360
Speaker 1: But it also makes me better to Yeah.

3436
02:26:51,360 --> 02:26:54,720
Speaker 16: Absolutely, it's honestly that that's the one area in my

3437
02:26:54,800 --> 02:26:56,720
Speaker 16: life that's has taken a lot of growing. But like

3438
02:26:56,760 --> 02:26:59,240
Speaker 16: you said, like when I do get those comments, it

3439
02:26:59,280 --> 02:27:02,760
Speaker 16: fuels my fire. It used to suck my life away,

3440
02:27:02,840 --> 02:27:04,199
Speaker 16: and now now it fuels my fire.

3441
02:27:04,879 --> 02:27:07,400
Speaker 12: Your dad's country, he was here. My dad is country.

3442
02:27:07,440 --> 02:27:10,320
Speaker 12: Your dad is No one's gonna see your dad and

3443
02:27:10,360 --> 02:27:12,359
Speaker 12: go that game country.

3444
02:27:12,680 --> 02:27:13,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3445
02:27:13,120 --> 02:27:15,440
Speaker 16: Oh and that's that's my face. That's my favorite comment

3446
02:27:15,440 --> 02:27:18,440
Speaker 16: I've ever gotten. Your daddy must be so ashamed. Oh

3447
02:27:18,480 --> 02:27:21,560
Speaker 16: people say that. Oh yeah, for about a year there.

3448
02:27:21,480 --> 02:27:22,039
Speaker 4: That that was.

3449
02:27:22,120 --> 02:27:24,400
Speaker 16: That was the special comment. Your daddy is ashamed of you?

3450
02:27:24,879 --> 02:27:27,320
Speaker 16: And I was like, I don't think I don't think

3451
02:27:27,320 --> 02:27:31,720
Speaker 16: he is. Well, what, like, what a rotten thing, that's

3452
02:27:31,760 --> 02:27:32,200
Speaker 16: what I'm saying.

3453
02:27:32,480 --> 02:27:34,680
Speaker 1: That that's a rotten thing to write, right, even for

3454
02:27:34,800 --> 02:27:37,160
Speaker 1: trolls exactly, Like I lost a little faith in all

3455
02:27:37,160 --> 02:27:38,879
Speaker 1: trolls that they actually write that, and I know it

3456
02:27:38,879 --> 02:27:40,320
Speaker 1: already didn't have a good opinion of them.

3457
02:27:40,640 --> 02:27:42,960
Speaker 12: So what is it? What's the relationship between and your dad? Now,

3458
02:27:43,360 --> 02:27:44,560
Speaker 12: it's amazing dude.

3459
02:27:44,280 --> 02:27:45,680
Speaker 16: Yeah, me and me and dad have gone through a

3460
02:27:45,680 --> 02:27:48,920
Speaker 16: bunch of seasons in our life, uh, from high school

3461
02:27:48,920 --> 02:27:52,640
Speaker 16: playing football into you know, signing a record deal and

3462
02:27:52,720 --> 02:27:54,600
Speaker 16: kind of starting the career to kind of getting into

3463
02:27:54,640 --> 02:27:56,400
Speaker 16: my career and kind of finding my own voice to

3464
02:27:56,400 --> 02:27:58,640
Speaker 16: my own sound, and then's now going through a lot

3465
02:27:58,640 --> 02:28:00,879
Speaker 16: of different phases in life and all good.

3466
02:28:01,760 --> 02:28:01,960
Speaker 4: You know.

3467
02:28:02,160 --> 02:28:04,800
Speaker 16: I think every father and son has their definitely ups

3468
02:28:04,800 --> 02:28:06,000
Speaker 16: and downs. But I would say that me and my

3469
02:28:06,080 --> 02:28:08,920
Speaker 16: dad today at twenty nine and almost fifty, are in

3470
02:28:08,920 --> 02:28:11,760
Speaker 16: the best place I've ever been in our father son

3471
02:28:11,800 --> 02:28:15,080
Speaker 16: relationship because like, he's so young, and.

3472
02:28:15,240 --> 02:28:16,240
Speaker 12: He had me when he was nineteen.

3473
02:28:16,360 --> 02:28:18,680
Speaker 16: My mom had me when she was nineteen, and so

3474
02:28:18,720 --> 02:28:20,960
Speaker 16: to have a young parent that is I think, because

3475
02:28:21,040 --> 02:28:22,400
Speaker 16: I feel like I'm kind of a young parent, and

3476
02:28:22,400 --> 02:28:23,840
Speaker 16: I feel like when I'm fifty, I'm going to be

3477
02:28:23,840 --> 02:28:26,240
Speaker 16: a lot different than my kids then than I am now,

3478
02:28:26,240 --> 02:28:29,920
Speaker 16: because I think parents just go through continuous learning phases.

3479
02:28:30,879 --> 02:28:33,280
Speaker 16: But my dad is obviously my dad, but he's also

3480
02:28:33,360 --> 02:28:34,959
Speaker 16: like one of my best friends in the world, you know.

3481
02:28:35,040 --> 02:28:36,720
Speaker 12: So he's on tour with us.

3482
02:28:36,600 --> 02:28:41,400
Speaker 16: This year, brings his wife out on the road, and

3483
02:28:41,480 --> 02:28:43,600
Speaker 16: when my kids come out. They just they flock to

3484
02:28:43,640 --> 02:28:45,280
Speaker 16: my dad like they're obsessed with my dad. They call

3485
02:28:45,360 --> 02:28:48,400
Speaker 16: M Popeye. And I think for the longest time, I

3486
02:28:48,440 --> 02:28:49,440
Speaker 16: was like, what does my dad going to be like

3487
02:28:49,480 --> 02:28:51,200
Speaker 16: as a grandfather? And he's like the best grandfather in

3488
02:28:51,240 --> 02:28:53,280
Speaker 16: the world. And we get right during the day, we

3489
02:28:53,320 --> 02:28:55,039
Speaker 16: get to play shows at night, and I just feel

3490
02:28:55,040 --> 02:28:57,320
Speaker 16: like he's just become kind of a person that doesn't

3491
02:28:57,360 --> 02:29:00,360
Speaker 16: have so I mean, he obviously he is very focused

3492
02:29:00,360 --> 02:29:02,400
Speaker 16: and very driven and wants to be an amazing songwriter,

3493
02:29:02,480 --> 02:29:04,240
Speaker 16: but I think a lot of the pressure of going,

3494
02:29:04,560 --> 02:29:06,600
Speaker 16: how do I keep keep doing this is kind of

3495
02:29:06,640 --> 02:29:07,080
Speaker 16: left him.

3496
02:29:07,480 --> 02:29:09,560
Speaker 12: As he's turned forty eight to fifty. I just felt

3497
02:29:09,600 --> 02:29:10,520
Speaker 12: he's got a lot less.

3498
02:29:10,400 --> 02:29:12,480
Speaker 16: Pressure on his shoulders, and I think it's kind of

3499
02:29:12,480 --> 02:29:14,360
Speaker 16: made our relationship a lot better. And he's given me

3500
02:29:14,400 --> 02:29:17,680
Speaker 16: a lot more you know, older man wisdom. I think,

3501
02:29:17,760 --> 02:29:20,080
Speaker 16: did he encourage you early early on to start music?

3502
02:29:20,720 --> 02:29:22,840
Speaker 16: Not really, man, My dad never pressured me to do

3503
02:29:22,879 --> 02:29:25,400
Speaker 16: a lot, but his big things don't quit anything, you

3504
02:29:25,400 --> 02:29:27,640
Speaker 16: know what I mean. Like we battled that for a while,

3505
02:29:27,680 --> 02:29:30,480
Speaker 16: like in high school, like going to football camp. No

3506
02:29:30,560 --> 02:29:32,240
Speaker 16: one likes football camp. I don't care if you're the

3507
02:29:32,240 --> 02:29:34,160
Speaker 16: best football player in the world. You hate football camp,

3508
02:29:34,680 --> 02:29:36,120
Speaker 16: and like I was like, I just I just want

3509
02:29:36,160 --> 02:29:37,800
Speaker 16: to quit and play baseball. I want to quit and

3510
02:29:37,879 --> 02:29:39,760
Speaker 16: go do this or that. And he'd be like, well,

3511
02:29:39,800 --> 02:29:43,200
Speaker 16: you signed up, you're not quitting, and and so when

3512
02:29:43,200 --> 02:29:44,959
Speaker 16: it came to music, he was just he was very

3513
02:29:45,640 --> 02:29:47,440
Speaker 16: weird about it because I think he did it, you know,

3514
02:29:47,520 --> 02:29:49,360
Speaker 16: for ten to twelve years, and he knows the highs

3515
02:29:49,400 --> 02:29:51,119
Speaker 16: and he knows the lows, and he knows what failure

3516
02:29:51,160 --> 02:29:53,440
Speaker 16: feels like and what success feels like. And I think

3517
02:29:53,480 --> 02:29:56,600
Speaker 16: any dubt would want to kind of give their kid

3518
02:29:57,400 --> 02:29:59,879
Speaker 16: whatever they can expect and then be like, hey, now

3519
02:30:00,040 --> 02:30:01,280
Speaker 16: you can make the decision, but I want you to

3520
02:30:01,280 --> 02:30:03,240
Speaker 16: know that it's not going to easy road. And so him

3521
02:30:03,280 --> 02:30:04,640
Speaker 16: and my mom both were like, are you sure that

3522
02:30:04,640 --> 02:30:06,760
Speaker 16: you want to get into music? And when I turned

3523
02:30:06,800 --> 02:30:08,800
Speaker 16: about nineteen years old, it was really the only thing

3524
02:30:08,840 --> 02:30:10,320
Speaker 16: in life that I wanted to do. All I want

3525
02:30:10,320 --> 02:30:11,640
Speaker 16: to do is write songs. All I want to do

3526
02:30:11,680 --> 02:30:14,560
Speaker 16: is play shows. Anything about creating anything, That's what I

3527
02:30:14,560 --> 02:30:15,080
Speaker 16: wanted to do.

3528
02:30:15,400 --> 02:30:18,160
Speaker 1: So do you look back now and see that you're

3529
02:30:18,240 --> 02:30:21,720
Speaker 1: your father's son. Yes, maybe you didn't see it then,

3530
02:30:21,760 --> 02:30:23,520
Speaker 1: but now you look back and go, I'm I didn't.

3531
02:30:23,600 --> 02:30:25,000
Speaker 16: Yeah, I didn't see it a lot then, but now

3532
02:30:25,120 --> 02:30:26,760
Speaker 16: I'm looking at the way that I parent the way

3533
02:30:26,760 --> 02:30:30,360
Speaker 16: that he parented, and we are we are a lot

3534
02:30:30,400 --> 02:30:31,840
Speaker 16: alike in a lot of ways, and we are still

3535
02:30:31,920 --> 02:30:33,680
Speaker 16: very different in a lot of ways, but more so alike.

3536
02:30:34,320 --> 02:30:35,480
Speaker 1: What's your first cut ever?

3537
02:30:37,040 --> 02:30:38,760
Speaker 16: A song called I Ain't Ready to Quit by Jason

3538
02:30:38,800 --> 02:30:44,840
Speaker 16: Eldan twenty ten.

3539
02:30:45,360 --> 02:30:46,640
Speaker 4: You were still in school at the time.

3540
02:30:47,520 --> 02:30:49,480
Speaker 12: I was at Lipscomb University down the street. Yeah, and

3541
02:30:49,520 --> 02:30:51,120
Speaker 12: you get a cut? Yeah, what's that like?

3542
02:30:51,360 --> 02:30:54,360
Speaker 16: I thought that I was a gajillionaire and I probably

3543
02:30:54,360 --> 02:30:57,800
Speaker 16: made a hundred bucks that cut. But I remember when

3544
02:30:57,800 --> 02:31:00,080
Speaker 16: that when that came out, Dude, it was like all

3545
02:31:00,120 --> 02:31:01,920
Speaker 16: my buddies in college. I remember we went to Walmart

3546
02:31:01,959 --> 02:31:04,320
Speaker 16: that night and we all bought two copies of the record,

3547
02:31:04,640 --> 02:31:06,640
Speaker 16: and uh, we parked my truck in the front yard

3548
02:31:06,640 --> 02:31:08,800
Speaker 16: of this little house next Lipscom and we just we

3549
02:31:08,840 --> 02:31:11,080
Speaker 16: had a party to one song. We literally just played

3550
02:31:11,080 --> 02:31:13,440
Speaker 16: this song on repeat for like six hours. It was just,

3551
02:31:13,440 --> 02:31:14,760
Speaker 16: I mean, it was just the coolest thing that ever

3552
02:31:14,760 --> 02:31:16,840
Speaker 16: happened to me in my entire life.

3553
02:31:17,480 --> 02:31:19,039
Speaker 12: You signed a record deal like a year.

3554
02:31:19,000 --> 02:31:22,680
Speaker 1: Later, A year later, Yeah, did you do the let

3555
02:31:22,720 --> 02:31:24,080
Speaker 1: me talk to some record labels?

3556
02:31:24,200 --> 02:31:26,080
Speaker 12: Did you do the showcases for people?

3557
02:31:26,200 --> 02:31:26,360
Speaker 2: Did?

3558
02:31:26,520 --> 02:31:27,440
Speaker 12: Was it a uh?

3559
02:31:27,920 --> 02:31:30,680
Speaker 1: They all offering you deals like what was the Thomas

3560
02:31:30,760 --> 02:31:32,200
Speaker 1: Rhett record label?

3561
02:31:32,720 --> 02:31:32,840
Speaker 4: Uh?

3562
02:31:33,120 --> 02:31:35,000
Speaker 12: Kind of pursuit like they did.

3563
02:31:35,000 --> 02:31:38,000
Speaker 16: Man, I think I played for I played for six

3564
02:31:38,080 --> 02:31:41,560
Speaker 16: or seven record labels, and uh, the only song that

3565
02:31:41,640 --> 02:31:43,600
Speaker 16: I had that I thought was even remotely good was

3566
02:31:43,640 --> 02:31:44,840
Speaker 16: a song called if I Could Have a Beer with

3567
02:31:44,959 --> 02:31:48,760
Speaker 16: Jesus that was on my first record, and every every

3568
02:31:48,840 --> 02:31:50,760
Speaker 16: label that I played for a day later had offered

3569
02:31:50,800 --> 02:31:54,800
Speaker 16: me a record deal, and I couldn't believe it because

3570
02:31:54,840 --> 02:31:56,560
Speaker 16: all all, all I thought I wanted to be was

3571
02:31:56,560 --> 02:31:58,520
Speaker 16: a songwriter. I just wanted to follow in dad's footsteps,

3572
02:31:58,560 --> 02:31:59,920
Speaker 16: like I didn't. I don't think I wanted to go

3573
02:32:00,040 --> 02:32:01,720
Speaker 16: on the road. I wanted to play shows, but I

3574
02:32:01,760 --> 02:32:04,520
Speaker 16: didn't think I wanted to do the whole do the thing,

3575
02:32:04,640 --> 02:32:05,800
Speaker 16: go on radio tour, sign a.

3576
02:32:05,720 --> 02:32:08,039
Speaker 12: Record, to do all that stuff. But as I got.

3577
02:32:07,640 --> 02:32:10,120
Speaker 16: Into it, started to get some cuts, it gave me

3578
02:32:10,160 --> 02:32:12,320
Speaker 16: the bug because when I wrote the songs instead of

3579
02:32:12,360 --> 02:32:14,560
Speaker 16: other people singing, I really wondered what it would be

3580
02:32:14,600 --> 02:32:16,880
Speaker 16: like if I recorded them and put them on the radio,

3581
02:32:17,040 --> 02:32:19,480
Speaker 16: and so once I signed a record of a Big Machine.

3582
02:32:19,480 --> 02:32:22,879
Speaker 16: I think it was twenty eleven. It's just kind of

3583
02:32:22,879 --> 02:32:25,720
Speaker 16: been a roller coaster since then, but it was definitely

3584
02:32:25,879 --> 02:32:26,840
Speaker 16: the right thing for sure.

3585
02:32:32,240 --> 02:32:34,920
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this special episode of the Bobbycast.

3586
02:32:35,200 --> 02:32:37,800
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed hearing stories from the early days

3587
02:32:37,800 --> 02:32:40,560
Speaker 1: of artists who had massive careers and they're still topping

3588
02:32:40,600 --> 02:32:43,560
Speaker 1: the charts, they're winning major awards, but they always weren't

3589
02:32:43,760 --> 02:32:45,879
Speaker 1: chart toppers and award winners at the end of the day,

3590
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:50,120
Speaker 1: normal folks, dads, brothers, sons, who started somewhere. We'll probably

3591
02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:53,400
Speaker 1: have another episode like this with some really awesome female artists,

3592
02:32:53,440 --> 02:32:55,600
Speaker 1: Gabby Barrett, Martine McBride. We have that coming up to

3593
02:32:55,640 --> 02:32:57,640
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02:32:57,640 --> 02:33:00,640
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3595
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3596
02:33:02,080 --> 02:33:03,879
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3598
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3599
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3600
02:33:17,840 --> 02:33:20,320
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