Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning.
Speaker 1: This is Laura, Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's
Speaker 1: episode is going to be a longer one part of
Speaker 1: the series where I interview fascinating people about how they
Speaker 1: take their days from great to awesome and any advice
Speaker 1: they have for the rest of us. So today I
Speaker 1: am delighted to welcome Natalie Nixon to Before Breakfast. Natalie
Speaker 1: is the CEO of Figure eight Thinking and the author
Speaker 1: of the new book Move Think Rest. So Natalie, welcome
Speaker 1: to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Laura, It's great to be here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so glad to have you. Why don't you tell
Speaker 1: our listeners a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 2: I am a creativity strategist. I made up my job title.
Speaker 2: What that means is I advise and help leaders, executive
Speaker 2: teams and organizations to connect the dots between creativity and
Speaker 2: business results. And I do that through my global keynote, speaking,
Speaker 2: through my my courses and my facilitations. And I'm from Philly.
Speaker 2: I live in Philly. I lived a lot of different places,
Speaker 2: but realize the grass is not greener and I'm off
Speaker 2: there as well.
Speaker 1: Well. I am in the greater Philly region as well.
Speaker 1: So it turns out we're actually having this conversation locally.
Speaker 2: We're very very rainy day. Where are you, Laura in.
Speaker 1: The in the suburbs up in the Cameline area? Yeah,
Speaker 1: how about how about you?
Speaker 2: I'm in the city in mount Airy.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love it. I love it. Well, we are
Speaker 1: not that far from each other. So I'm waving, waving
Speaker 1: across the river. So so, Natalie, uh, you write in
Speaker 1: this book Move Think Rest about the mt R framework.
Speaker 1: Those are being the first initials of those words which
Speaker 1: you call the motor framework. So why don't you tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about that? What is the Motor framework?
Speaker 2: The Motor framework is a human centered operating system to
Speaker 2: help all of us to flourish in a time of
Speaker 2: ubiquitous technology. I'm precedent at burnout and new rules for work,
Speaker 2: and the motor human centered operating system is people can
Speaker 2: think of it as an on ramp to help them
Speaker 2: do as I say, toggle between wonder and rigor, which
Speaker 2: is related to my Wonder rigor theory. It's the way
Speaker 2: that we can think in a more democratized way about creativity.
Speaker 2: So the Move Think Rest operating system is a way
Speaker 2: to build creativity as a capacity, to understand that creativity
Speaker 2: is a strategic competency that will allow all of us
Speaker 2: to innovate more consistently and sustainably. And if you want,
Speaker 2: I can, I can kind of thirty thousand foot level
Speaker 2: break down what each of those components are.
Speaker 1: Well, sure, I'd love to hear, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe people understand generally what move means, but maybe not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when I talk about movement, I'm not actually
Speaker 2: talking only about exercise. Exercises great, and it's really important.
Speaker 2: What I'm referring to is movement hygiene. We have begun
Speaker 2: in our knowledge economy to think about the brain as
Speaker 2: kind of disembodied, disembodied from the rest of the body,
Speaker 2: and we also separate brain from mind. So when I'm
Speaker 2: talking about movement, I'm talking about movement hygiene, which means
Speaker 2: that we integrate movement throughout the day. We're making sure
Speaker 2: we stand up, we take walks, and that's really important
Speaker 2: because when we move, our ideas move, and so the
Speaker 2: spinal cord, as some of us may or may not
Speaker 2: be aware, is actually an extension of the brain, so
Speaker 2: that when we are kind of slumped over at our
Speaker 2: desk for long periods of time. Actually, anytime longer than
Speaker 2: forty minutes at a time is kind of getting into
Speaker 2: a danger zone. Then we actually are constricting blood flow
Speaker 2: to the brain, which means we are restricting oxygen, which
Speaker 2: means we're not going to actually be doing our best thinking.
Speaker 2: So movement hygiene is really important. On the thought part,
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the value of forecasting and back casting.
Speaker 2: So backcasting is about the of memory and reflection. Forecasting
Speaker 2: is about the imagination curiosity. And what's significant about both
Speaker 2: backcasting and forecasting you need to slow down in order
Speaker 2: to do some really effective backcasting and forecasting. The reason
Speaker 2: why that sort of thought matters is that while we
Speaker 2: tend to focus on, you know, real sharp cognition and
Speaker 2: clear thought, you actually will not be doing your clearest
Speaker 2: thinking if you don't incorporate backcasting and forecasting and then rest.
Speaker 2: I'm not just saying I'm not what. I'm not recognizing
Speaker 2: that every office building have a nap room. I mean,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense for your company, cool, But I'm
Speaker 2: talking about intermittent rest. Intermittent rest that can be scaled.
Speaker 2: So rest in terms of micro breaks, I actually calendar
Speaker 2: in buffers on my calendar to make sure that I'll
Speaker 2: be hard hitted, and I'll sit at the deskerage way
Speaker 2: too long, and I'll make sure that I stand up,
Speaker 2: step away from the desk, take a walk, I do
Speaker 2: day dream breaks, but also scaling out to sabbatical. So
Speaker 2: I interviewed almost sixty people for this book, and I
Speaker 2: also interview people who have taken sabbatical work at nonprofit organizations,
Speaker 2: tech firms, not only you know, people work in higher education.
Speaker 1: So that's I mean, I'm sure a lot of us
Speaker 1: are listening to that, Like WHOA forty minutes is the
Speaker 1: danger zone and that's a problem because a lot of
Speaker 1: work days are definitely set up with longer periods of
Speaker 1: sitting than forty minutes. I wonder if you could talk
Speaker 1: through what a work day might look like if it
Speaker 1: incorporated this framework to optimize our creativity and our results.
Speaker 2: Well, what it would not look like is back to
Speaker 2: back zoom or team meetings. It would look like a
Speaker 2: day where you are cognizant of when if you're too
Speaker 2: the extent that you're able, where you're a cognizant of
Speaker 2: where you get your best, sharp focused thinking of. And
Speaker 2: that's different for different people. So for me, I can
Speaker 2: do really deep focused thinking work in the mornings after
Speaker 2: two o'clock, that's not the best time for me to
Speaker 2: do that, So I like to do more kind of
Speaker 2: responding to emails and those sorts of things in the afternoons.
Speaker 2: It would look like a day where if it all possible,
Speaker 2: if you're able to move Because I also interview people
Speaker 2: who live with physical disability, so I was really interested
Speaker 2: in what movement, thought, and rest looks like when you're
Speaker 2: restricted in movement, or if you live in a socioeconomic
Speaker 2: environment where it's not safe to just go for a
Speaker 2: walk perhaps or the space isn't even designed for that.
Speaker 2: So making sure that you start your morning with some
Speaker 2: sort of walk or movement. Making sure that meetings, even
Speaker 2: if they are done on zoom or in person, spark
Speaker 2: new types of thinking. So something like question storming is
Speaker 2: a really great technique to integrate into collaborative team meetings
Speaker 2: so that you're not just doing solutions oriented thinking. They're
Speaker 2: looking for the answer. We know that you can tell
Speaker 2: lot more about people by the quality of the questions
Speaker 2: if they're asking even more than their answers. So those
Speaker 2: are just a few.
Speaker 1: Examples what are your favorite kinds of breaks? I mean,
Speaker 1: are those going to be like movement breaks? Often? I
Speaker 1: guess you could get both the moving and the resting
Speaker 1: together as well, exactly.
Speaker 2: So that's a really good point. The move think rest
Speaker 2: framework is not siloed. It's not first to move, then
Speaker 2: you think, then you rest. So for example, when you
Speaker 2: stand up for a day dream break, that's affecting thought
Speaker 2: as well as rest. I love to go for short
Speaker 2: walks in the woods. The other thing I've learned in
Speaker 2: my research A lot of times people aren't going for
Speaker 2: a short walk because they think, oh, well, I don't
Speaker 2: have thirty minutes. You don't need thirty minutes. I have
Speaker 2: a three minute I have a walk that I know
Speaker 2: it takes three minutes. I have a walk that I
Speaker 2: know takes nine minutes. Sometimes I can take a fifteen
Speaker 2: minute long walk and at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: if I'm fortunate, I'll be able to take there's a
Speaker 2: walk I take the thirty minutes. You and I live
Speaker 2: in the Philadelphia area. Philadelphia is an incredible city where
Speaker 2: nature is integrated throughout the city. So here in Mount Airy,
Speaker 2: I live across the street from the woods, so I'm
Speaker 2: really fortunate that I can just kind of dip into
Speaker 2: the woods whenever I'm able. So my favorites are going
Speaker 2: for a walk doing daydream breaks. My daydream breaks last
Speaker 2: sixty to ninety seconds. That's really all it takes for
Speaker 2: me to return to work revived and refresh. And I
Speaker 2: didn't do it this morning, but I really try to
Speaker 2: stretch my body for at least ten minutes on a
Speaker 2: yoga matt every single morning before I get to work.
Speaker 1: Excellent habits for sure. Well, I'm going to take a
Speaker 1: quick ad break and then we'll be back with more
Speaker 1: from Natalie Nixon. Well, I am back talking with Natalie Nixon,
Speaker 1: who is the author of the new book Move, Think Rest.
Speaker 1: We've been talking about some of your favorite breaks, and
Speaker 1: I love the idea of a day dreaming break here,
Speaker 1: but I think a lot of people hear that, like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, So Natalie is daydreaming for sixty to
Speaker 1: ninety seconds, what are you doing in that time?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: How do you get yourself to the point where you're
Speaker 1: I guess how does one set that up to incorporate
Speaker 1: a daydream break intentionally into your life?
Speaker 2: Well, I mentioned earlier that I actually have like I
Speaker 2: call it buffer zones. In my calendar, there are typically
Speaker 2: thirty minutes long twenty minutes song. I'm not daydream for
Speaker 2: that long. But the cool thing about daydreaming is that
Speaker 2: the more you do it, the more you long for
Speaker 2: the more, the better you acclimate to it. What's actually
Speaker 2: happening when we daydream is that our default mode network
Speaker 2: is getting activated. So the default mode network, or the
Speaker 2: regions in the brain where they're different neural synapses that
Speaker 2: get activated, the default mote network. I call it the
Speaker 2: washing machine of the brain. Because the default mote network
Speaker 2: gets activated when we tap out of the world. So
Speaker 2: for example, when we are resting or in a nice
Speaker 2: deep sleep, when we take a shower, when we're reading
Speaker 2: a nice immersive book of fiction, when we are an engaging, rollicking,
Speaker 2: laughing conversation with a friend. When we tap out of
Speaker 2: the world, it's not that our brain stops working. It's
Speaker 2: just working differently, and that's essential because that's where the
Speaker 2: synchronization of all what I call the juicy bits of
Speaker 2: productivity happen. That's why often if you stay rooted to
Speaker 2: your chair and your desk and are trying to figure
Speaker 2: out the answer to a problem, you're just stuck. It's
Speaker 2: not going to come unless, counterintuitively, you step away and
Speaker 2: you're actually letting the default mode network take place. You know,
Speaker 2: originally I thought about calling this book invisible Work, because
Speaker 2: that's really what I'm talking about. Some of our best
Speaker 2: work is happening when it can't be tracked, when it
Speaker 2: can't be monitored, because rest should not be treated as
Speaker 2: a reward. Rest should actually be integrated into the day.
Speaker 2: Movement should be integrated with about the day. The different ways
Speaker 2: of thought should be integrated throughout the day so that
Speaker 2: that synchronization of different neurosyn apsis can happen. And that's
Speaker 2: why when you come out of a nice shower, you think, oh,
Speaker 2: that's what I was trying to think of. Oh, this
Speaker 2: this new sort of of these new massive ideas kind
Speaker 2: of lock into place. There's a reason for that if
Speaker 2: I can gig out a bit. You know, when you
Speaker 2: write a book, you learn a lot. And so one
Speaker 2: of the things I learned is that there's something called
Speaker 2: the hypnagogic state, and the hypna pompic state, and the
Speaker 2: hypnaggic state. Think gogic, groggy, Right when you're about to
Speaker 2: drift off to sleep. That's actually when science times is
Speaker 2: now know the research those neurosynapses that really relate to
Speaker 2: creativity are really superactive. So, for example, Thomas Edison noticed
Speaker 2: that when he started to doze off to sleep, he
Speaker 2: had the first time it happened, he had an orb
Speaker 2: that's what the literature says, in his hand and it
Speaker 2: kind of fell fell to the ground. He woke up,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden he was able to connect
Speaker 2: the doct between a problem. So that's so. So what
Speaker 2: you can do is plant the seat of a question
Speaker 2: of what you're wondering about before a very short nap
Speaker 2: or even a deep sleep. The hypn a pompic state
Speaker 2: is that state of waking up. So when you've had
Speaker 2: a good rest and you're just starting to wake up
Speaker 2: to the dawn and the stillness of the room, and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, for me at least a
Speaker 2: lot and I for a lot of other people, ideas
Speaker 2: begin to synchronize. That's the hitpen a pompic state. Again.
Speaker 2: You can see a question or query in your mind
Speaker 2: before you rest, and a lot of the time the
Speaker 2: answer does reveal itself. It's just incredible how the brain
Speaker 2: works and how we can attune our body in different
Speaker 2: habits to optimize our productivity and our creativity.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's fascinating stuff. I mean, where are these ideas
Speaker 1: come from? It sounds like, yeah, sitting at our desks
Speaker 1: are probably about the least creative places we're going to be.
Speaker 1: But you mentioned one of the things with I mean,
Speaker 1: sometimes thinking is done with others. Yes, and you had
Speaker 1: an interesting thing. You know, the AI is the hot topic,
Speaker 1: but you talked about using as a thinking partner.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Are there particular ways that we could use AI to
Speaker 1: sort of help us as we're coming up with Yes,
Speaker 1: lots of ideas.
Speaker 2: Yes. So a lot of people say, you know, AI
Speaker 2: is your copilot, it's your co creator, and it is.
Speaker 2: And I have been pronouncing and a lot of my
Speaker 2: keynotes that we are actually in the middle of a
Speaker 2: human revolution. We're not in the middle of a technological revolution.
Speaker 2: We have this tech crush, this infatuation with the technology,
Speaker 2: but in reality, the technology, if we play our cards right,
Speaker 2: is there to leverage and optimize what makes us uniquely human.
Speaker 2: Because let's face it, the AI is not going anywhere.
Speaker 2: It is taking over basic tasks, It is eliminating hundreds
Speaker 2: of thousands, not millions of jobs. And what will be
Speaker 2: your strategic advantage advantage is your capacity for the imagination,
Speaker 2: the way you frame and reframe questions, the way you
Speaker 2: think critically, the way you were able to take that
Speaker 2: quick result that you get from a prompt and chat
Speaker 2: GPTEE and acknowledge that now you have spaciousness, right, you
Speaker 2: have spaciousness to think more critically, to collaborate more, to
Speaker 2: have eyeball to eyeball conversations. So, for example, I love
Speaker 2: the otter app because it's actually helped me and it's
Speaker 2: given me a freedom in the way that I write.
Speaker 2: I'm very oral and oral, and so I will in
Speaker 2: advance just write up like five question prompts around a
Speaker 2: chapter or a section I'm working on, and I'll just
Speaker 2: take a walk. I actually did this during a writing
Speaker 2: sabbatical that I gifted myself last year writing move Think Rest.
Speaker 2: I did it in Miami. A friend gifted me her
Speaker 2: Miami beachside condo at a really nice rate, and I
Speaker 2: would just take a walk along the beach and do
Speaker 2: a brain dump verbally of my thoughts and my ideas
Speaker 2: into the otter app, which you know is a wonderful
Speaker 2: transcription app and then I got back to the room
Speaker 2: and I would sort and stept and make sense of
Speaker 2: those ideas. But it gave me the freedom to just
Speaker 2: do free association and just talk. And what it removed
Speaker 2: was what I call her negative Nancy, who often sits
Speaker 2: on my shoulder and criticizes, Oh, that's not important, No
Speaker 2: one's going to read that. Who cares about that? That's stupid,
Speaker 2: you know, So that went away. So otters are really
Speaker 2: great app way. I like to use Quaud and chat
Speaker 2: GPT are two. One of my favorite questions is to
Speaker 2: ask is to put in something that I have drafted
Speaker 2: and ask what am I missing? What have I not
Speaker 2: thought about? Oftentimes it will it will remind me to
Speaker 2: think about things differently from a geographical perspective, from a
Speaker 2: historical perspective, from a cultural perspective. I miss what does
Speaker 2: this mean? In healthcare? So it helps me also to
Speaker 2: see the holes and the gaps. And that's what we
Speaker 2: get when we have real in person collaboration with people
Speaker 2: who have different training than we do, different levels of
Speaker 2: seniority or junior You just think, look at the same issue,
Speaker 2: but see it slightly differently. And that's essential for innovation.
Speaker 1: Wow, Well, we're all going to have a great brain
Speaker 1: trust that we can bounce things off.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: In the future, it's going to be amazing. Well, we're
Speaker 1: going to take one more quick ad break and then
Speaker 1: I will be back with more from Natalie Nixon. Well,
Speaker 1: I am back talking with Natalie Nixon. She is the
Speaker 1: CEO of Figure eight Thinking. She is also the author
Speaker 1: of the brand new book Move Think Rest. So, Natalie,
Speaker 1: this show is called Before Breakfast. So we have a
Speaker 1: lot of people who are really into morning routines. I
Speaker 1: wonder if you happen to have any sort of morning routine.
Speaker 1: I know you said you do your best thinking in
Speaker 1: the morning, so maybe can tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about what your mornings look like.
Speaker 2: So I try to start buffer my day in the
Speaker 2: mornings with c pushing it with silence and more stillness.
Speaker 2: I pray, I do a shirt meditation. I typically do
Speaker 2: my meditations while I'm stretching our reference. I'd like to stretch.
Speaker 2: I have them in our home. I has something I
Speaker 2: call the She's Sweet and it has like a Netflix
Speaker 2: TV zone. It has a stretching zone, has a reading
Speaker 2: fiction zone. So in that stretching zone, I burn incense,
Speaker 2: I light a candle I put on I have a
Speaker 2: whole playlist called Mellow Chill, and I play that sort
Speaker 2: of music. I tend to be a kinesthetic meditator. I'd
Speaker 2: never thought I was good at meditation until I learned
Speaker 2: that through the research for Move Big Rest. But there's
Speaker 2: something called kinesthetic meditation. So I'm a swimmer and I
Speaker 2: and so as when you some lapse, for example, you
Speaker 2: get into this kind of meditative state of just repetition
Speaker 2: and you get out of your head into your body. Similarly,
Speaker 2: stretching helps me to do that, where I just start
Speaker 2: to focus on my breathing. I get more tuned to
Speaker 2: my balance and where I'm at in my body. So
Speaker 2: that's a big part of how I try to start
Speaker 2: most mornings. They'll always succeed, but it always makes me
Speaker 2: feel incredibly better. But definitely a prayer meditation stretch. I
Speaker 2: also have started tricking my brain into calling water brain juice.
Speaker 2: I had a facial like a month ago, and I
Speaker 2: have naturally oil a skin and the woman who did
Speaker 2: the face and say, oh, your skin's dry, it's absorbing
Speaker 2: whatever this stuff was. She's put on my face quick
Speaker 2: and I thought I think I need to be drinking
Speaker 2: more water, so I have a whole picture of water.
Speaker 2: I make sure that I start to drink that because
Speaker 2: when you think about if you get a good seven
Speaker 2: or eight hours of sleep, you haven't been hydrating at all.
Speaker 2: So that's one of the first things up in your body.
Speaker 2: It helps with the organ tissue. Your brain is a
Speaker 2: really important organ that needs a lot of water for
Speaker 2: lectrolytes and that sort of thing. And then I get
Speaker 2: into the work. I typically have mapped out what I
Speaker 2: want to get achieve even get done between nine and twelve.
Speaker 2: The other thing I've started doing and I interviewed the
Speaker 2: co founder for moveth think Rest. I interviewed the copter
Speaker 2: flown from moveth think Rests are wonderful kind of quirky
Speaker 2: company called I was really really suspicious about it or
Speaker 2: skeptical about it when I first learned of it. But
Speaker 2: I've also started using it as a room to enter
Speaker 2: when I need to do deep thinking work. Flown as
Speaker 2: UK base. It is basically a synchronous synchronicity. You drop
Speaker 2: into a room that looks like a zoom room, and
Speaker 2: it feel a little weird at first because everyone is
Speaker 2: just like thinking. Everyone we all have like the same
Speaker 2: expressions when we think and they're working, no one talks.
Speaker 2: You can put into the chat era your intention like
Speaker 2: I want to send five emails or I need to
Speaker 2: write a rough draft outline or whatever or finish shape
Speaker 2: or proposal, and people will be thumbs up in your intention.
Speaker 2: You can have a set a time limit. So it's
Speaker 2: really like just as the principles a moth think rest,
Speaker 2: it's really adheres to unique breaks throughout the day. When
Speaker 2: you do a break with floone, you can opt into
Speaker 2: a screen looking at nature, or you can do a puzzle.
Speaker 2: So play is a big part. So Flown has been
Speaker 2: a really cool work accessory and I highly recommend it
Speaker 2: to your listeners, especially given the topic of your podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's just it provides accountability and you mirror
Speaker 1: other people who are working, and it hopefully brings out
Speaker 1: the best in you as well.
Speaker 2: It feels like you're walking into a hushed library. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is where we're going to work. We're all serious now, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: so not Onalie. I asked all my guests a question.
Speaker 1: It's kind of the tagline of the show, but what
Speaker 1: is something you have done recently to take a day
Speaker 1: from great to awesome.
Speaker 2: Mmm. Something I've done recently to take a day from
Speaker 2: great to awesome. Well, I've started keeping a wins journal.
Speaker 2: I learned that from a great book called I think
Speaker 2: it's from their book called The Gap in the Game,
Speaker 2: which is by Benjamin Hardy and Forgetting the co author.
Speaker 2: But it helps me to identify even in days that
Speaker 2: I think are just myth or ordinary small wins that
Speaker 2: I've had. Right, I sent out five emails, I received
Speaker 2: an inquiry for a new proposal. I drank an entire
Speaker 2: picture of water. However, you want to define the scrip
Speaker 2: of your winds. And that really has helped me take
Speaker 2: a day. I forget if you say good to awesome
Speaker 2: or great to awesome, but that really helps him because
Speaker 2: it elevates my perception of my work. It helps me
Speaker 2: account accountable to being as a former boss of mine
Speaker 2: in the garment in the fashion streets to say, keep
Speaker 2: your eye with the donut, not the hole. Don't focus
Speaker 2: on what it should it could have been, but what is.
Speaker 2: So when I do that, winsdow and I keep it
Speaker 2: in the drawer in my desk. I used to do
Speaker 2: it at the end of the day, but I've started
Speaker 2: just documenting it throughout the day. If I'm traveling, I
Speaker 2: have I keep a winds file in my notes app
Speaker 2: that helps me to make a day go from good
Speaker 2: to great to awesome.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. That is wonderful. What
Speaker 1: are you looking forward to right now?
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to going to London next week. I
Speaker 2: leave for London on Saturday. I have been I was
Speaker 2: nominated as part of the Thinkers fifty twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: cohort and I've been nominated for their Talent Award for
Speaker 2: this year. So gonna go to their gala and meet
Speaker 2: some really interesting thought leaders from around the world. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be on a Deloitte podcast and I'm collaborating with
Speaker 2: a colleague and pal of minding, James Hewitt, who is
Speaker 2: Real Vivia, an incredible guest for your podcast. I'll connect
Speaker 2: the two of you. He's a performance scientist and we're
Speaker 2: doing a conversation next Wednesday after the Thinkers fifty events
Speaker 2: at Tavas, which is a global consultancy. We'll be interviewed
Speaker 2: by the chief Medical Officer about future work ideas and
Speaker 2: the title of our of our conversation is the future
Speaker 2: works open for end when humans thrive. So we both
Speaker 2: have a vested interest in amplifying, leveraging what makes us
Speaker 2: uniquely human and a time of so much change in technology.
Speaker 1: Wonderful. That sounds very exciting and London is lovely, so yes, great, it's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Natalie, where can people find you?
Speaker 2: Just go to Figure eight Thinking dot com. That's the
Speaker 2: number eight, Figure eight, like this ice gatting figure athinking
Speaker 2: dot com and definitely sign up for the newsletter because
Speaker 2: that's where you'll be able to tune into all the
Speaker 2: great tips and techniques site. I have beware of the
Speaker 2: blogs and my fast company articles and we just started
Speaker 2: a sixty six day motor challenge. Not too late to join,
Speaker 2: but just go to Figure a Thinking dot com and
Speaker 2: the first step is to sign up.
Speaker 1: For the newsletter wonderful. Please go do that and check
Speaker 1: out the book Move Think rest as well. So Natalie, thanks,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. Thank you to
Speaker 1: everyone for listening. If you have feedback about this or
Speaker 1: any other episode, you can always reach me at Laura
Speaker 1: at Laura vandercam dot com. In the meantime, this is Laura,
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening and here's to making the most.
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