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Speaker 1: to be a first round pick.
Speaker 2: From the Chris Westling Podcast studio. It's Around the NFL
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: Round one edition.
Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hanses, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, who it is
Speaker 2: coming up on ten o'clock Pacific time as we record this,
Speaker 2: just finished a nearly four hour live stream shot up
Speaker 2: to the Chris Westling Podcast studio. Boys, and now we're
Speaker 2: going to go through it all Round one and all
Speaker 2: the excitement and surprises in that in there during that
Speaker 2: during those the picks, the thirty one.
Speaker 3: Pick, we're a little uh nailed it or a little
Speaker 3: loopy potentially, but.
Speaker 1: I say that's what I was looking for therein we.
Speaker 3: We've never put out anywhere close to this out of
Speaker 3: content on day one of the drafts. And I had
Speaker 3: a great time with you guys.
Speaker 4: It was a lot of fun. People can still if
Speaker 4: you're a true diehard, and if you're listening to this
Speaker 4: you may or may not be. It's up on our
Speaker 4: YouTube channel, the Around the NFL Podcast YouTube channel. I'll
Speaker 4: be there forever so you can see us lose our
Speaker 4: mind in the heat and you can see us react
Speaker 4: as history was being made, Anthony Richardson going to the
Speaker 4: sex but more importantly us doing a live stream together
Speaker 4: and Yessica being featured prominently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, anytime you could do a live stream where
Speaker 2: you have Yessica future prominently, you have a huge personal
Speaker 2: announcement which go check out the stream. I won't even
Speaker 2: tell you what it was. And during that stream, you
Speaker 2: could turn the temperature up in the room to about
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty degrees and watch us melt in
Speaker 2: real time.
Speaker 1: I mean that a lot.
Speaker 2: This podcast doesn't have sex appeal exactly, So check out
Speaker 2: the stream. We were happy. It was an experiment that
Speaker 2: we're happy with. And now we turn our attention to
Speaker 2: round one, and it was the big storylines boys, Bryce
Speaker 2: Young not a big story although it is the big pick,
Speaker 2: number one overall, the number two pick, and we have
Speaker 2: Sangwich props.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that on Saturday.
Speaker 2: But all to talk about the Houston Texans moving out
Speaker 2: of that spot, maybe not taking a quarterback, why don't
Speaker 2: we start there.
Speaker 1: Let's start with some quarterback talk.
Speaker 2: Going right through with the Colts then did at four,
Speaker 2: but let's start mark with CJ. Stroud going to the
Speaker 2: Texans the two. How surprised were you that that happened?
Speaker 3: I was because I felt like there was this sort
Speaker 3: of impact, critical mass impact of like the Texans are
Speaker 3: going to go somewhere else with that number two pick,
Speaker 3: and there wasn't a lot linking then to CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 1: You know, c J.
Speaker 3: Stroud, I think took a lot of damaging pr over
Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks and.
Speaker 4: He for what stupid. Now Now when we look back,
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: I think, I think it's it's differently, it's different compared
Speaker 3: to what teams maybe think about these players. But but
Speaker 3: for all of us, it was this S two test
Speaker 3: and everything else about them. The Texans instead went and
Speaker 3: got their quarterback, and I mean, just watching CJ. Stroud's tape,
Speaker 3: I love the way he throws the football. I think
Speaker 3: it's it changes everything for the Texans too. Had they
Speaker 3: gone down the road with Davis Mills as their quarterback
Speaker 3: next season, it's like you didn't complete the test.
Speaker 4: Like good job by Jeremiah sticking with Stroud on his
Speaker 4: mock and I think he even had the trade for
Speaker 4: Anderson right, which is crazy because it made too much sense.
Speaker 4: And that's what I when I say for what I
Speaker 4: mean all this honking for what I give the Texans credit.
Speaker 4: I think what happened was there was a draft information
Speaker 4: vacuum and just people just started filling in the vacuum
Speaker 4: of things that they were hearing and it was all
Speaker 4: probably nonsense. And it's interesting, and I do think we
Speaker 4: should we should talk Young a little bit, and because
Speaker 4: we haven't talked specifically, that that that combination. But you're right,
Speaker 4: the draft fell like it starts too. And it's interesting
Speaker 4: to think of all that S two talk Dan because
Speaker 4: the offense that the Texans are gonna run Bobby Slowick,
Speaker 4: who they brought over from San Francisco. The one thing
Speaker 4: that Kyle Shanahan wants more than anything is just processing.
Speaker 4: It's why he always wants these guys like Kirk Cousins
Speaker 4: and Brock Purdy that are kind of just like, I
Speaker 4: can answer the test one to two to three, So
Speaker 4: what if I don't make like huge game breaking play
Speaker 4: as an improvise on my own? And the S two
Speaker 4: tests in theory was supposed to be processing. So they
Speaker 4: didn't care about that. They cared about the tape, and
Speaker 4: what they saw on tape was a guy who was
Speaker 4: extremely accurate, who takes coaching really well. And maybe he's
Speaker 4: not as exciting athletically as Bryce Young or Anthony Richardson,
Speaker 4: but he feels like a quarterback where his floor or
Speaker 4: where I see him as is like a Derek Carr
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins type of quarterback at worse, and I think
Speaker 4: he's an even more talented thrower and he has a
Speaker 4: higher upside. So it's just interesting they didn't care about
Speaker 4: the S two Tests whatsoever.
Speaker 3: That's the quarterback they they didn't care. But like brock
Speaker 3: Purty for instance, like led everyone in the S two
Speaker 3: Tests a year ago, and we saw what happened to
Speaker 3: him on the field. It is a case study to
Speaker 3: me though. And I know these late season meaningless games
Speaker 3: that win over the Colts allowed Carolina after their trade
Speaker 3: to go decide which quarterback they wanted. And the Texans
Speaker 3: are they took CJ. Stroud, But would they had would
Speaker 3: they have at number one? I don't think so we
Speaker 3: don't know c J.
Speaker 2: Stroud could turn into a superstar. Rice Down can't play
Speaker 2: or can't stay in the shield. So it's it's so
Speaker 2: early and just like the Panthers are saying, we don't
Speaker 2: care about the S two tests. Well, if he's a
Speaker 2: terrible pro and part of the problem is the mental
Speaker 2: game is what he struggles with, then we'll see. So
Speaker 2: right now, this is why the draft is so fun
Speaker 2: and such a great fan event is because it's hope season.
Speaker 2: It's optimism. It's the idea that all these guys are
Speaker 2: going to are going to hit. And you know, I
Speaker 2: have to say, like when you see going back to
Speaker 2: Bryce is the number one overall pick, And the same
Speaker 2: thing happened with the Jets when Bryce young when the
Speaker 2: trade goes down weeks ago, and it's like, oh man,
Speaker 2: the Panthers got fleeced.
Speaker 1: I can't believe they gave up so much.
Speaker 2: Well, what do you think about the trade now when
Speaker 2: you see this team as excited as it is, as
Speaker 2: this guy comes out on the stage and hugs rog
Speaker 2: and they and they hold up the jersey, and you know,
Speaker 2: the Panthers feel like they are now moving forward again.
Speaker 2: Same thing with Rogers and Jet Did the Jets give
Speaker 2: up too much? Well, go check out that building and
Speaker 2: the energy at Florin Parks as Rogers was introduced. It
Speaker 2: doesn't hurt as much, So I really do I think
Speaker 2: that both of these teams are loving the fresh start.
Speaker 1: In a different world.
Speaker 2: Should the Texans be drafting number one, Sure, but I
Speaker 2: think they have to process that. If they haven't already,
Speaker 2: I think they probably have us as football fans, we
Speaker 2: haven't maybe because they're so wild how that played out.
Speaker 4: Well, even weeks ago they were desperately trying to draft
Speaker 4: Bryce Young, So that that is why you can at
Speaker 4: least question the process. In the end, it might work
Speaker 4: out better that they have Stroud and we'll get to
Speaker 4: Will Anderson. But the reporting that came out on Thursday
Speaker 4: from Jay Glazer specifically about how close the Texans were
Speaker 4: to making that deal happen and they got a little
Speaker 4: indecisive at the end. That initially Carolina thought that they
Speaker 4: were going to trade up with Chicago at two. Chicago
Speaker 4: thought they were going to trade down from one to two.
Speaker 4: Presumably the Texans were ready to take Bryce Young and
Speaker 4: then Carolina was going to move up from nine to two.
Speaker 4: Who knows who they would have taken at too. We've
Speaker 4: heard some scottle but it would have been Anthony Richardson
Speaker 4: actually at two. But Texans got a little undecisive, and
Speaker 4: they must have at some point decided it's okay, we
Speaker 4: love Stroud this much anyways, and maybe we can now
Speaker 4: use some of the picks that we didn't end up
Speaker 4: making in that trade and the number twelve pick, use
Speaker 4: that as a resource to get all the way back
Speaker 4: up to number three, and we'll see which works out.
Speaker 4: But it's just a reminder not to trust all these
Speaker 4: draft reports.
Speaker 2: Young turns into a super duper star. Yes, it hurt
Speaker 2: giving up DJ Moore, but if that's what ended up
Speaker 2: getting them over the hump to get that pick and
Speaker 2: make this happen, it will be looked at as one
Speaker 2: of the great decisions in franchise history.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean it's not a you know, Peyton Manning Ryan
Speaker 3: Leaf scenario. It's just that I just think if you
Speaker 3: first of all, it's the Texans to turn around and
Speaker 3: get Will Anderson the way they did at number three
Speaker 3: makes the night extremely successful, because that's who I thought
Speaker 3: they were gonna go get and then be without a
Speaker 3: quarterback or have to get one down at twelve. They
Speaker 3: were very savvy in the way they pulled off this night,
Speaker 3: and it's it's kind of a rarity. I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't think of the Texans that way and haven't for
Speaker 3: the past couple of years because they've been lost in
Speaker 3: their own wilderness.
Speaker 4: They've been competitive organization for two years and now they
Speaker 4: have something where it's like, look, they think they're going
Speaker 4: to compete this year. I think they should. And Will
Speaker 4: Anderson was a great pick. I do just before we
Speaker 4: wrap on young because we haven't hit it too much.
Speaker 4: I think he's entering a better situation than most number
Speaker 4: one picks, partly because they weren't that bad a team
Speaker 4: last year. They have a really good defense, I think,
Speaker 4: and they have a good coach and Frank Reich, who
Speaker 4: I think is perfect for a young quarterback, and they
Speaker 4: have a good offensive line. They don't have great weapons
Speaker 4: around him, and that's that's like the next thing. And
Speaker 4: they'll I'm sure add in the draft, and they had
Speaker 4: to give up some picks, so it's not perfect, but
Speaker 4: compared to most number one overall picks, like, I think
Speaker 4: he's entering a nice situation. And our favorite Panthers fan
Speaker 4: in the building, David Ealy did release a statement on
Speaker 4: this draft pick.
Speaker 2: Quote love For people that don't know David Eely will remember, Yes,
Speaker 2: Dave early Is was the number one Camstan he's a
Speaker 2: guy that he grew up.
Speaker 1: In North Carolina.
Speaker 2: He famously had a bottle of champagne that he was
Speaker 2: going to drink with his I believe his then girlfriend
Speaker 2: after a Super Bowl fifty win over the Broncos.
Speaker 1: It's close enough to the story Mark Well.
Speaker 4: I mean he brought it to work.
Speaker 2: He ended up drinking the bottle alone in a hot tub.
Speaker 2: The girlfriend was out of the picture as well by
Speaker 2: that point.
Speaker 3: I think she had been out of the picture for
Speaker 3: about half a decade. I mean I don't think that,
Speaker 3: but he was still thinking about it sure like mentally
Speaker 3: she was still in the pitch anyway.
Speaker 4: The statement from Dave quote, we love our short king QB.
Speaker 4: Keep pounding so smart, short and simple. David like myself,
Speaker 4: not a large man. Yeah, we're looking to Bryce Young
Speaker 4: to really represent the short guys out there, although he's
Speaker 4: really not that short. I mean he's five ten and
Speaker 4: a half for NFL players, he's short.
Speaker 3: And we had David Carr on our live stream and
Speaker 3: I asked him about like the Bryce Young height situation,
Speaker 3: just another quarterback, what he would think and he thought
Speaker 3: it came out really strongly saying in today's NFL not
Speaker 3: concerned about it that it's it's there's some misconceptions about
Speaker 3: what it would actually hold him back from doing.
Speaker 2: I hear that a lot, and it's all good. Stay positive.
Speaker 2: Two four is his listed weight. He's got to be
Speaker 2: like aound.
Speaker 4: He's really like one ninety. It is that's the bigger concern.
Speaker 4: But he did take pounding last year. It's a fair
Speaker 4: point to make that he got hit a lot in
Speaker 4: the SEC and he's okay, so pounding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's well done.
Speaker 4: Grand Digger one one.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything.
Speaker 2: Actually, now you have to do it and do the
Speaker 2: bid again, and that's figure.
Speaker 5: Keep pounding.
Speaker 3: There we go magical.
Speaker 4: Wow, we got the same crew here for the chef.
Speaker 4: Everyone's doing double duty back there here. Eric's here. It's
Speaker 4: all happened.
Speaker 3: We've all lost roughly individually six to seven pounds each
Speaker 3: because it was roughly the duplicate temperatures of Iraq in the.
Speaker 1: Studio the week it was.
Speaker 2: It was it was a live stream but also a
Speaker 2: fat farm, and it was really enjoyable to shake some
Speaker 2: of the weight.
Speaker 4: Can I just read the uh the terms that UH
Speaker 4: that they gave up for will Anderson because it is
Speaker 4: worth noting that they traded a a first round pick
Speaker 4: next year. Now I lost it here a first and
Speaker 4: a third next year. So they gave gave up an
Speaker 4: incredible amount. They gave up the twelfth pick, you know,
Speaker 4: so that they gave up the thirty third pick. The
Speaker 4: Cardinals ended up moving back up from the twelve and
Speaker 4: then a first and the third rounder in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 4: so they really gave up a quarterback type of haul. Like,
Speaker 4: even though it was from twelve to three and they
Speaker 4: didn't take a quarterback, they basically paid for a quarterback.
Speaker 4: They paid a lot for Will Anderson. It's just they
Speaker 4: were pointing out first and a third next.
Speaker 3: But they got I think in another world you get
Speaker 3: one guy to build around. I know they had that
Speaker 3: twelfth pick too, but in theory it was going to
Speaker 3: be quarterback or Will Anderson. They got both, and you
Speaker 3: kind of did two years draft work in one if
Speaker 3: they both work out.
Speaker 2: The Texans defense was not good last year, at least statistically,
Speaker 2: twenty seventh in points allowed, thirtieth in total defense, one
Speaker 2: of the worst run defenses ever statistically allowed the six
Speaker 2: most most rushing yards for a single season.
Speaker 4: So this is an area of need Yep. Anderson great
Speaker 4: therey comes, great run stuff, upper, very tough. I'm glad
Speaker 4: he ended up going ahead of Tyry Wilson, although I
Speaker 4: did loose sandwiches on that, so I'm not that glad.
Speaker 4: But he just made more sense as a guy that
Speaker 4: was outrageously productive, and it would have been maybe outsmarting
Speaker 4: yourself to take someone else ahead of him, and so
Speaker 4: he's also the type of guy. It kind of reminds
Speaker 4: me of when the Raiders took Cleveland Ferrell and that
Speaker 4: was a terrible pick and people were like, what is happening,
Speaker 4: But the whole thing was like, well, this is a
Speaker 4: guy who the way he is as a human, like
Speaker 4: that's always a guy. And that was Mayock's first pick,
Speaker 4: whereas now it's the Dimico Ryan's era. Everyone says this
Speaker 4: about Will Anderson, that he's like the best leader if
Speaker 4: you want to be one type of person. But oh,
Speaker 4: by the way, he's also like the most productive pass
Speaker 4: wresher of the last five years.
Speaker 3: Just as a side note an asterix here, this also
Speaker 3: essentially sealed my mock draft victory over our.
Speaker 4: Producer Ob Grave Digger in the grave.
Speaker 3: It's not I'm not trying to his body. I'm trying
Speaker 3: to drop a bom on you. But it was.
Speaker 2: Justin's body range it like kind of moving. He's got
Speaker 2: some like post mortem like rigor mortis happening. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: you're just throwing the dirt on him. So you're it's
Speaker 2: ova baby. It wasn't. It wasn't a thing of beauty.
Speaker 2: I think you got six picks right, and he got five?
Speaker 1: Is that correct?
Speaker 5: It's something like that, or we both got five that
Speaker 5: he nailed the correct Yeah.
Speaker 3: We had a score existed about twenty minutes into it.
Speaker 3: It looked like we were both totally on fire. And
Speaker 3: then it went about his cold cases.
Speaker 2: The final score was thirteen twelve, and I believe it
Speaker 2: was thirteen twelve at about pick fifteen or sixteen, and
Speaker 2: then it just held.
Speaker 1: It turned into a reel.
Speaker 4: Rodrick Jones was the last correct pick.
Speaker 2: It turned into a real defensive struggle down the stretch.
Speaker 2: But Mark, congratulations on getting back your your mock thrown crown.
Speaker 3: Thank you, And we'll have a decisive third match next
Speaker 3: year barring what earth based disaster.
Speaker 2: Let's move to the fourth pick and let's stick with
Speaker 2: a big You know, I was kind of a relieved
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with you about Anthony Richardson coming
Speaker 2: off the border early, because you know how it is,
Speaker 2: and Greg that you were among the chorus.
Speaker 1: But it's not a personal slight.
Speaker 2: Certain players like football Twitter get so like excited that
Speaker 2: I could I could feel like the anger. If Anthony
Speaker 2: Richardson would have slid, people would have been furious because
Speaker 2: so many people had fallen in love with Richardson during
Speaker 2: this process. So when he went to the Colts at four,
Speaker 2: it was like, Okay, I don't have to deal with
Speaker 2: those takes.
Speaker 4: It was a surprise at least, I mean it was
Speaker 4: to me. I really thought he wasn't gonna get past
Speaker 4: five with Seattle, maybe in maybe not six with Detroit,
Speaker 4: and there was some whispers that that was the case.
Speaker 4: There was a strong feeling he was gonna go high.
Speaker 4: But maybe it was the Colts all along. I give
Speaker 4: them credit for not giving that away in any way.
Speaker 4: A couple hours before the draft, Will Levis, who did
Speaker 4: not get drafted on Thursday, will have to wait till Friday.
Speaker 1: Rough he was in the room too. The draft from the.
Speaker 4: Biggest, biggest surprise, I would say of the night overall,
Speaker 4: was minus four hundred in betting parlance, he was four
Speaker 4: times more likely to go number four or overall than not,
Speaker 4: and yet he didn't even get taken in the first round.
Speaker 4: So for some reason, he was this heavy favorite to
Speaker 4: go there. There was all this chatter all along that
Speaker 4: it was Levison Colts, Levison Colts, and Levis Coults, and
Speaker 4: this might have been a smoke screen that was intentional
Speaker 4: from the Colts to try to prevent anyone from trading
Speaker 4: ahead of them where Arizona was at three and maybe
Speaker 4: taking Richardson because apparently Richardson was their guy all along.
Speaker 4: And I think it's a great fit with Shane Steiken
Speaker 4: and after what he did with Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I just think about where we were
Speaker 3: with Jalen Hurts a couple of years ago, and you know,
Speaker 3: now he's MVP level talent and the set the face
Speaker 3: of the Eagles franchise. It's like, I kind of love
Speaker 3: the coach player match with Stichen to develop some of
Speaker 3: this with Anthony Richardson now limited college experience. I love
Speaker 3: what Bucky Bucky Brooks said that this is basically sort
Speaker 3: of like an NBA draft pick where You're not necessarily
Speaker 3: taking the most polished example from a college player, You're
Speaker 3: taking potential traits, and he brings all of that and
Speaker 3: he feels like the future of the position to me,
Speaker 3: and I think it's an incredibly exciting pick for a
Speaker 3: Colts team that has really flat lined with boring, awful,
Speaker 3: unwatchable quarterback play for years on end.
Speaker 2: Let me go through it since Andrew Luck's surprise retirement
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, Jake Briskett, Philip Rivers, Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan.
Speaker 2: So obviously this is a big turn now that for
Speaker 2: the first time they are investing in a young quarterback
Speaker 2: coming out of college.
Speaker 4: In there that is like the least athletic group of
Speaker 4: quarterbacks he could come.
Speaker 2: Up with since Luck and so Richardson is a total
Speaker 2: swing in the other direction. And there are you know,
Speaker 2: there were we talked about it leading in there are
Speaker 2: some concerns about whether he's polished enough to attack the
Speaker 2: game in a successful manner with a short game. But listen,
Speaker 2: we'll see it's worth. I think it's worth. I think
Speaker 2: we all graded it in real time on the stream
Speaker 2: as a great move. And if the Colts, if he
Speaker 2: does develop the way they hope there's a good chance
Speaker 2: this looks this is one of those things like oh
Speaker 2: he went forward, but he was the best player in
Speaker 2: the draft.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's an immediate headache to defensive coordinators. I
Speaker 3: mean it's like there aren't a lot of coumps of
Speaker 3: a quarterback like this, and how teams are gonna have
Speaker 3: to stop him. And it's like you talk about this
Speaker 3: like he's gonna take takes so long to develop, he's
Speaker 3: gonna start right away.
Speaker 1: Well he's only started. He only started thirteen games.
Speaker 4: Right, and so that two ways, Like he's inexperienced, no doubt,
Speaker 4: But I think there's a way to look at that
Speaker 4: and think, like he actually kind of needs to play,
Speaker 4: and I think playing will help him. I mean, he
Speaker 4: was a red shirt. He was a sophomore, red shirt sophomore,
Speaker 4: and so's he's a couple of years younger than like
Speaker 4: Will Levis, for instance, and I think he's got to
Speaker 4: learn by playing. And when you have that running ability,
Speaker 4: that gives you like a baseline where I think you
Speaker 4: can have an offense that's capable enough as he gets
Speaker 4: I like.
Speaker 2: That and Shane Steichen, of course helped turn Jalen hurts
Speaker 2: into a superstar in Philly, and yet I've seen it
Speaker 2: happen Zach Wilson. Sometimes rob a prospect gets thrown out
Speaker 2: on the field and then when it's not going well,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, man, they maybe should have given this
Speaker 2: kid little time to learn the on the sidelines.
Speaker 1: Or he's twenty years old.
Speaker 2: He started thirteen games and he had a completion percentage
Speaker 2: south of fifty five percent in college. So there's is
Speaker 2: he going to be able to make be starting against
Speaker 2: the NFL money defenses in September?
Speaker 1: Right? I mean, if he can.
Speaker 2: He is an exciting player, no doubt, but it's a
Speaker 2: big it's a big ask for a kid that has
Speaker 2: not a lot of experience.
Speaker 3: You know what, though, Like the same way you talked
Speaker 3: about Rogers and Bryce Young, it's like when we pick
Speaker 3: our games for week one, like I'm zooming towards the
Speaker 3: Cults if i have the chance, because it's like they're
Speaker 3: a must watch team and they have not felt that
Speaker 3: way about him for a long time and it was
Speaker 3: a bold move and.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 4: Right then, you've got a couple receivers Pierson, Pittman, You've
Speaker 4: got a good offensive coach Jim Bob Cooters back in
Speaker 4: the building. The offensive wrong is Okay, it's not good,
Speaker 4: but it's not terrible. Yeah, him and Minshew. You have
Speaker 4: Minshew there if it's if you really don't want to
Speaker 4: start him right away. But it's the pocket presence for me.
Speaker 4: I mean, we'll talk about it plenty in the coming days,
Speaker 4: but I love it and I love that it kept
Speaker 4: me from feeling mixed things about Seattle and Anthony Richardson
Speaker 4: because I really think they would have taken him. I
Speaker 4: think it would have been a smart move because I
Speaker 4: do think you can compare him to two guys, Cam
Speaker 4: Newton and Josh Allen. We'll see if he gets there.
Speaker 4: I think he has better pocket presence than either one
Speaker 4: of them. He certainly has has a lot to learn
Speaker 4: though too, in terms of.
Speaker 2: You actually said on the live stream that you if
Speaker 2: they picked Will Levis in that spot sea, which seems
Speaker 2: insane now because he didn't even ended up going in
Speaker 2: the first round.
Speaker 1: You were never going to support the Seahawks.
Speaker 4: Ever, I was going to renounce my Seahawks fandom if
Speaker 4: they took Levis.
Speaker 3: I would have shaken the building.
Speaker 4: Richard's taken the building Okay, if it was gonna be
Speaker 4: Levis and you're ruining my geno time, I would be unhappy. Instead,
Speaker 4: they just improve the team around.
Speaker 2: Every time they yeah, we're gonna get to that. Every
Speaker 2: time they cut to Levis in the green room, Greg
Speaker 2: did the Nelson from The Simpsons laugh.
Speaker 4: That's not true.
Speaker 1: I was like, Bro, he's a human, he's a kid.
Speaker 4: It was say on our Little Predict on our Previews show.
Speaker 4: I said, I think Levis is a good prospect. He's
Speaker 4: kind of like like an early second round type of
Speaker 4: like has a chance to be a pretty good starter prospect.
Speaker 4: That was it. You said it was like Ryan Tanner
Speaker 4: said it was like a Ryan Tannehill type of guy.
Speaker 3: He did do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: Time we cut to.
Speaker 1: It's two, that's two people that said it happened.
Speaker 4: It's not true.
Speaker 1: The Seattle Seahawks, they had that pick from Denver. They tacked.
Speaker 1: They took true, they took cornerback out of Illinois.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do a three here and then we can
Speaker 2: just talk it over and then we're gonna take a
Speaker 2: break and keep rolling. The Arizona Cardinals from Detroit via
Speaker 2: the Rams gets a little complicated sometimes with the drafting
Speaker 2: or the trading Paris Johnson Junior. The first tackle comes
Speaker 2: off the board to the Cardinals, and then the Raiders,
Speaker 2: a team that needs defensive help, take Tyree Wilson, defensive
Speaker 2: end out of Texas Tech.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, boys, have at it.
Speaker 3: I love Tyree Wilson. To the Raiders, I mean, they
Speaker 3: pair a with Max Crosby. If he works out, you've
Speaker 3: got a genuine like tornado there on the front of
Speaker 3: your defense.
Speaker 1: Genuine tornado, I mean.
Speaker 4: And part of the reason is the comp They know
Speaker 4: Chandler Jones is not long for Las Vegas. If it
Speaker 4: wasn't for the guaranteed money as contract, he probably wouldn't
Speaker 4: be on the team this year. He'll be there for
Speaker 4: one more year. So I think you have you know Jones.
Speaker 4: Tyree Wilson To me, Tyree Wilson is maybe the biggest
Speaker 4: boomer bust pick of the draft. Paris Johnson might be
Speaker 4: the other one, you know, just because they were both
Speaker 4: taken so high. They're both traits guys. Those two positions
Speaker 4: get pushed up in the draft. We've seen a lot
Speaker 4: of edge players and tackles get overdrafted, and I know
Speaker 4: that's like the analytical thinking, take edge players, take tackles,
Speaker 4: but you also have to get it right and like
Speaker 4: you want, I know, you don't want to go for
Speaker 4: singles and doubles. But these two guys, Johnson and Wilson especially,
Speaker 4: I feel like they're going for home runs. Where Seattle
Speaker 4: went with a guy and Devin Witherspoon, who feel felt
Speaker 4: like the clear best cornerback in this draft, very physical,
Speaker 4: just kind of the classic like got that dog in him.
Speaker 4: A little surprising Seattle took him because they haven't taken cornerbacks.
Speaker 4: I but you figure Pete Carroll will know what to
Speaker 4: do with him. And I think a player that Seahawks
Speaker 4: fans are really well.
Speaker 2: They hit on Tariq Woollen in the draft last year
Speaker 2: as a late round pick, and now they go make
Speaker 2: a lottery selection.
Speaker 1: That's a great cornerback tandem.
Speaker 2: If who knows physical, I mean that is a physical
Speaker 2: Adams can come back healthy as another physical player in
Speaker 2: their secondary.
Speaker 1: And I'm not.
Speaker 2: Saying it's Lesion a Boon, but it could be a
Speaker 2: really good back end. And I'll always wonder with the
Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks here if and it kind of speaks to
Speaker 2: Gino like we talked about in the old days the
Speaker 2: Geno coaster and how we would just be up and down,
Speaker 2: up and down. That's been a great I guess down
Speaker 2: is good for a roller coaster, so it's kind of
Speaker 2: a confusing thing. But Gino, it's just been a long down.
Speaker 2: Like celebration arms up even here because who knows the
Speaker 2: way that great Seattle's gm. If Schneider and Carol had
Speaker 2: Richardson available, do they take him and how does that
Speaker 2: change the trajectory? Instead they take defense and then we'll
Speaker 2: get to it later. They go get help for Gino.
Speaker 2: So Gino's one of the big winners if.
Speaker 3: You have Anthony Richardson behind Geno. The problem is, at
Speaker 3: about fourteen minutes into Week one, Seahawks fans are going
Speaker 3: to be wondering and clamoring for the concept of seeing
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson replace any ups or down streak.
Speaker 4: You know hat Gino really signed what amounted to a
Speaker 4: one year contract, very similar to what Derek Carr signed
Speaker 4: a year ago. A little different in terms of money,
Speaker 4: but very similar in terms of structure, where it's like
Speaker 4: one year. If it goes well, it'll keep going. If
Speaker 4: it doesn't go well, we'll take a little bit of
Speaker 4: pain and we'll say goodbye. I don't think that's gonna happen,
Speaker 4: especially after this night. Yeah, we'll get to it, I guess,
Speaker 4: but I'm ready to crown the Seahawks twenty twenty three
Speaker 4: NFC West champions. Let's go, Dan.
Speaker 3: Are you enthused about another campaign? Gino filled campaign? Along
Speaker 3: with our friend Greg here?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the Gino thing is kind of whatever
Speaker 2: for me, But the Seahawks fandom, it seems like it's
Speaker 2: gonna be coming on stronger than ever. Yeah, you can
Speaker 2: feel it just seems like a lot. All right, let's
Speaker 2: take a break and then we'll keep rolling. All right,
Speaker 2: we're back. All right, we're seven picks in. Let's keep
Speaker 2: rolling here. So the first running back is off the ward.
Speaker 2: In fact, why don't we bookend this eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna get to the middle, but I
Speaker 2: just want to say at number eight overall, the Atlanta
Speaker 2: Falcons take Bijon Robinson the running back at a Texas
Speaker 2: and then the Detroit Lions from the Arizona Cardinals via
Speaker 2: Houston through Cleveland's.
Speaker 3: That's how that that's a journey.
Speaker 2: That's a lot they take Jamar Gibbs, the running back
Speaker 2: out of Alabama. So we have two running backs that
Speaker 2: come off the board in the top twelve. Let's start
Speaker 2: though with the Falcons Mark Sessler, a team that is,
Speaker 2: you know, in a very important year for the organization,
Speaker 2: year three under Arthur Smith. They add a dynamic running back. However,
Speaker 2: there's a year guy in the mix that's probably like, bruh,
Speaker 2: what else did I need to show you as a
Speaker 2: rookie and now you brought in.
Speaker 3: This kid, Tyler Algier cannot be thrilled.
Speaker 1: Algaere algae here he is officially, Uh, your guy the
Speaker 1: phone in the background.
Speaker 3: I'm not backing off. I'm as my guy because I
Speaker 3: think that Arthur Smith there, this is something another team
Speaker 3: wouldn't have done because you had value at the position already.
Speaker 3: I think Bijon Robinson is just an absolutely beautiful fit
Speaker 3: for the Falcons. They were they punish people on the
Speaker 3: ground a year ago. This is a very much Arthur
Speaker 3: Smith saying we're not going to veer away from that approach. Uh,
Speaker 3: you're in a way because I think there's still the
Speaker 3: concept that if the if the Titans ever took well
Speaker 3: levis in this in this later on in this draft
Speaker 3: probably won't happen, but that someone like Tannehill would become
Speaker 3: available and go to the Falcons. You've assentually built Titans
Speaker 3: two point zero, and I think Arthur Smith's like, I'm
Speaker 3: going to continue to do what worked in Tennessee. And
Speaker 3: you know what, because I know a lot of people
Speaker 3: are like, what's the deal with Desmond ridd or how
Speaker 3: are we? Where's all this trust in him? But this
Speaker 3: takes so much heat off a quarterback. If you can
Speaker 3: dominate on the ground the way they did towards the
Speaker 3: end of last season.
Speaker 4: Like the argument against it is they already had a
Speaker 4: great running game, so how much better can you get?
Speaker 4: You know, you have Quarterell Patterson there by the way too,
Speaker 4: like he's still around. You have a good uh run
Speaker 4: and Thomsons on line. That's That's what I was about
Speaker 4: to say. It He is Ladanian Thomlinson to me as
Speaker 4: a prospect, like that's who he reminds me of. I've
Speaker 4: seen the edge comparison too, But to me, Bijon Robinson
Speaker 4: is just so smooth, Like part of the value of
Speaker 4: him is I don't think you ever have to take
Speaker 4: him off the field, he's just a haas and he's
Speaker 4: so good on third downs. His hands are so good.
Speaker 4: He can run routes, he can make you miss. He's
Speaker 4: a power back. And when I'm talking about like Paris Johnson,
Speaker 4: who got taken sixth overall, the tackle who I think
Speaker 4: most people probably wouldn't have had him in that as a
Speaker 4: top fifteen to twenty most talented player. But he plays
Speaker 4: a position that pushes you up. Like if B John
Speaker 4: Robinson is a four time Pro bowler, not even the
Speaker 4: Danian Thomas, but a four time Pro bowler, that's a
Speaker 4: good pick. I don't care that he plays running back,
Speaker 4: and I just feel more confident in him than almost
Speaker 4: any player in this draft. And it makes me more
Speaker 4: excited to watch the Falcons, So that alone makes it
Speaker 4: a good pick.
Speaker 3: I've been pushing this. We might finally get our way.
Speaker 4: They have a nice little roster.
Speaker 2: The quarterback is wrong for two years and now maybe they've.
Speaker 4: Been getting a little better. They've been getting a little better,
Speaker 4: all right.
Speaker 3: I believe in Arthur Smith.
Speaker 2: I think B John Robinson has to be the best
Speaker 2: running back in football, or be in that conversation after
Speaker 2: this season for this to be the right move in
Speaker 2: my opinion, although.
Speaker 4: But like who else? Who else do you?
Speaker 2: I'm just saying you could have Listen, this is this
Speaker 2: team's not a finished product. I think you could have
Speaker 2: looked in other positional groups that had a bigger need.
Speaker 2: Because I'm just saying, if Algier and Patterson already there,
Speaker 2: could they use another pass rusher, could they use somebody
Speaker 2: in their secondary?
Speaker 4: Could they use a Webon wide receiver, another Webin on offense.
Speaker 4: I think they felt it was too rich for Smith
Speaker 4: and Jay.
Speaker 2: Maybe he is Ladanian Tominson. I'm not saying you can't
Speaker 2: come back to me in October and be like, hey,
Speaker 2: you said b Jon Robinson wasn't gonna be good. He
Speaker 2: could be, but it's to me, he almost has to
Speaker 2: be uh that special for this to make sense. If
Speaker 2: he's just like a four time pro bowler and they
Speaker 2: move on after half a decade, that's the thing that's.
Speaker 3: Sarah Henry or the equivalent of production.
Speaker 1: It's like a Hall of Famer to.
Speaker 4: Me, I could see that. I also think he can
Speaker 4: and should be the number one overall picking fantasy drafts,
Speaker 4: like as a rookie. I don't know if that's ever
Speaker 4: happened before, but to me.
Speaker 3: Not worry about the time share there like as so.
Speaker 4: I know they did that last year, but still no.
Speaker 3: Like Ship Tyler Algier or else.
Speaker 4: It was a fifth round pick last year, it was
Speaker 4: a great, great backup. You give them seventy five to
Speaker 4: one hundred touches like backups of your.
Speaker 2: Sorry, but I you know, I thought it was really
Speaker 2: interesting now to tie it back to Jamior Gibbs, the
Speaker 2: running back at Alabama who went to the Lions. How
Speaker 2: you had two running backs go in the top twelve
Speaker 2: and in both situations they were They're going to teams
Speaker 2: that eight didn't make the playoffs last year, which kind
Speaker 2: of flies in the face of the Jeremiah theory that
Speaker 2: I like, like, if you're gonna draft the running back,
Speaker 2: be a loaded team, a playoff team looking to finish
Speaker 2: off your offense, and b both teams had pretty good
Speaker 2: running back rooms, so that I don't hate either fit.
Speaker 2: I was just surprised that these were the teams that
Speaker 2: grabbed these two very exciting young prospects.
Speaker 3: When the Lions went out and got David Montgomery too,
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like that is a backfield where
Speaker 3: we could see someone on the way out at some.
Speaker 2: Point, DeAndre Swift seems to be maybe a little bit
Speaker 2: out of favor.
Speaker 4: That BA was kind of shocking to me. Now, I
Speaker 4: think the Lions did a good job. They traded their
Speaker 4: first and a third with the Cardinals for the Cardinals
Speaker 4: first and second, so that the Lions have the what
Speaker 4: the fourth pick on Friday night, they have the thirty
Speaker 4: fourth overall pick, and they got that by moving down
Speaker 4: six spots from six to twelve. Gibbs is a really
Speaker 4: exciting looking player, great receiver. He compares himself to Jamal
Speaker 4: Charles stylistically. He could maybe see that, but he seems
Speaker 4: dynamic as a receiver. But it makes it makes weird
Speaker 4: no sense to me that they gave David Montgomery all
Speaker 4: that money, Like, why are you spending that if you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Maybe there is another shoe that drops here.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, Swift has got to be gone right now,
Speaker 4: DeAndre Swift is your third running back? It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter, I guess it's a fall. He goes at
Speaker 2: nine to the Eagles, who had seventy sacks last year,
Speaker 2: But we're very busy bulking up their front seven. Still,
Speaker 2: the bear is followed by taking Darnell Right, a tackle
Speaker 2: out of Tennessee, and then Grave Diggers Tennessee. Titans take
Speaker 2: Peter Skeronsky, the lineman at Northwestern could be a guard,
Speaker 2: could be a tackle. Let's start there with those with
Speaker 2: that trio Gravedigger. I know you were happy with this pick.
Speaker 2: Scronsky was on many mock drafts, like the guy that
Speaker 2: was coming off the board first at the tackle spot
Speaker 2: or the line spot, and yet that's not the case
Speaker 2: and you end up getting him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was pretty excited about this. I wanted the
Speaker 5: Titans say quarterback. They all kind of went like I
Speaker 5: wanted them to get C. J. Stroud or Anthony Richardson,
Speaker 5: and that was obviously not in the cards. So Skoransky,
Speaker 5: I mean, he's like, he was the best offensive lineman
Speaker 5: in college football last year and his only real concern
Speaker 5: is that he may not have long enough arms to
Speaker 5: play tackle. But if he comes in, the Titans don't
Speaker 5: have really a starting left guard on the roster right now.
Speaker 5: Andre Dillard is slotted in as you're starting left tackle.
Speaker 5: If you know, you put Skoransky at left guard because
Speaker 5: you're looking for a long term you know, fix at
Speaker 5: left tackle great. If you put Scaransk he get left tackle,
Speaker 5: and Andre Dillard has played guard in his career, like
Speaker 5: they're going to figure it out. And I think it
Speaker 5: also gets hurt like usually after that too. So I
Speaker 5: mean to me, it's like we're not exactly sure where
Speaker 5: all the pieces are going to fit on the line,
Speaker 5: but we have good pieces, especially like I think Scarnsky
Speaker 5: could be one of the best guards of versatility.
Speaker 2: Is he's been compared to Elija Vera Tucker. If you've
Speaker 2: got to be oh we need a guard, lock him
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 5: And I saw Zach Martin comparison to like, if he
Speaker 5: can be the best guard, kick.
Speaker 2: Him out to tackle and he'll do a great job there.
Speaker 2: So I think that's a good one. It seems like
Speaker 2: about well.
Speaker 4: That was what moved Zach Martin inside. I mean, he
Speaker 4: was a tackle at first and then he became a
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame t guard. I'd rather have a Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame car like a Soso tackle. That said, you
Speaker 4: told us Grave Digger you did a seven round mock Titans.
Speaker 4: That's a lot of a lot of round.
Speaker 5: Well, we did, like one of those, you know, the
Speaker 5: draft simulators, was away pick for the Titans, my co
Speaker 5: host and I on on our podcast, how long.
Speaker 1: Did that take? Get that plug in there? Bro?
Speaker 3: How long did that takes?
Speaker 5: About an hour long pod?
Speaker 4: Okay, but you had Scaranski, yeah, going to the Titans
Speaker 4: on that on that pod. Yeah. And if you had
Speaker 4: just picked who do you pick for the Titans on our.
Speaker 5: Crowd, I had them trading up for straudos, buying into all.
Speaker 3: The credulous what No, I thought you like? What you
Speaker 3: literally went out over podcast seven rounds of picks on
Speaker 3: just the Titans.
Speaker 4: Just the Titans.
Speaker 3: Oh all right, I thought you. I thought you like
Speaker 3: it's like a white noise machine in the middle of
Speaker 3: the night.
Speaker 4: So if you had, uh, if you had just picked
Speaker 4: Scaransky in this pod Grave Digger should have, you would
Speaker 4: have won the I have a.
Speaker 5: Question about that so close, not that it matters anymore,
Speaker 5: losing losing, No, No.
Speaker 4: You can't return your Harold Landry the third jersey. They're
Speaker 4: not taking returns on that. That's the answer to your question.
Speaker 5: If Mark has thirteen points right now right.
Speaker 3: What right now permanently?
Speaker 5: What if the Titans pick Will Levis at forty one tomorrow?
Speaker 3: We're not we're not engaging in like oh, then.
Speaker 4: You get fifteen by three.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because I picked you picked him, well,
Speaker 3: then maybe it would be applicable.
Speaker 4: That magnificently.
Speaker 3: I would say, like the scoring is locked down at
Speaker 3: this point, right yeah, I mean there's no like something
Speaker 3: happens in the third round. I do you want to
Speaker 3: see what would happened? What would happen though? If they
Speaker 3: did that, then I think the Artana Hill to Atlanta
Speaker 3: plan becomes much more tangible.
Speaker 4: Now, Grave digger, we'll get to sandwiches on Saturday to
Speaker 4: recap them all. But you said there wouldn't be any
Speaker 4: top ten trade top seven, but yes, it was the
Speaker 4: top seven, and there was a couple here, the Detroit trade.
Speaker 4: There was the Arizona trade, so you got oh pretty.
Speaker 3: It went pretty quiet from there though there was wasn't
Speaker 3: overly trade heavy.
Speaker 1: Cool to short arms.
Speaker 5: I'm cool with it if Rashawn Slater has fairly short
Speaker 5: arms too, right like, and he.
Speaker 3: Was coming here in absolutely clean house.
Speaker 4: Well, let's let's talk about the other the other top
Speaker 4: ten trade though, which was the Eagles trading up one spot.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, gave him very little.
Speaker 4: What a night for Howie. I think we could talk
Speaker 4: about their two picks together because they're a combo platter
Speaker 4: to get Jalen Carter, the number one player on Daniel
Speaker 4: Jeremiah's board before the off field stuff really popped up,
Speaker 4: the guy who pops off the screen more than any
Speaker 4: player in this entire draft, where you just look at
Speaker 4: him and you're like, oh my god, that guy is
Speaker 4: just going to destroy in the NFL. He's one of
Speaker 4: the best defensive tackle prospects in years. To get him
Speaker 4: at nine and all you gave up to move up
Speaker 4: was what a fourth round pick to move up that
Speaker 4: one spot. And then you get Nolan Smith late in
Speaker 4: the draft, who to me was like a top fifteen
Speaker 4: type of player who looks a lot like Hassan Reddick.
Speaker 4: You put those two guys and what's already a pretty
Speaker 4: good defensive line, and it's just the rich get richer
Speaker 4: and they know who they are. I really love the
Speaker 4: way the Eagles build their team.
Speaker 3: How their defense is from Georgia. Uh, you're playing in
Speaker 3: a pretty weakened NFC right now, where the landscape feels
Speaker 3: very manly.
Speaker 1: The top five quarterbacks in the ape here NFC right.
Speaker 3: Now, well, you'd have to you'd be you'd be giggling
Speaker 3: the other time you got to number five.
Speaker 4: I think it's dak.
Speaker 3: Good luck from there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, then it gets uh, it gets weird. You know,
Speaker 4: fields to make take a cousins in there.
Speaker 3: Maybe that makes that that's an insult.
Speaker 2: We're missing someone that are going to get people really mad.
Speaker 2: But well, that's imagine we didn't forget that.
Speaker 3: It's a different exercise for a different stafford who we
Speaker 3: forget anybody in the NFC.
Speaker 5: Rock Party, Gino Smith.
Speaker 1: Gino Gina might be five, he might be in the telephone,
Speaker 1: Anneal Joe.
Speaker 3: I guess from a talent perspective, Kyler Murray, but he's
Speaker 3: not even president.
Speaker 4: That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 3: Uh talent from a talent angle, Kyler Jared Goff.
Speaker 4: I mean it really uh depressing landscape, Like that pic
Speaker 4: of the Eagles was what the Saints pick last year,
Speaker 4: And it just goes to show when you're not when
Speaker 4: you're always thinking about the future, and I think the
Speaker 4: Eagles think about the future better than just about anyone.
Speaker 4: They do everything like a year in advance. Like that
Speaker 4: trade at the time was like, oh yeah, that was
Speaker 4: a good trade. They got it, picked up an extra
Speaker 4: first Saints moved up for a love. But the Saints
Speaker 4: are happy now you look at it a year later
Speaker 4: because you weren't getting too antsy. You waited a year,
Speaker 4: you get maybe the best player in the draft, or
Speaker 4: just waiting a year.
Speaker 2: Here, I think we tell you he pled no contest
Speaker 2: to misdemeanor charges of reckless driving and racing. And then this,
Speaker 2: according to ESPN, he was nine pounds heavier at his
Speaker 2: pro day than he was at the NFL combine two
Speaker 2: weeks earlier.
Speaker 1: Couldn't finish his positional drills.
Speaker 2: So listen, you could see that stuff and it affected
Speaker 2: It affected him most likely, and maybe and this is
Speaker 2: where you kind of trust the organization. This is why
Speaker 2: I'm not saying raving a red flag myself. I'm saying, Okay,
Speaker 2: if Philly felt like he checked out and they could
Speaker 2: get him on the straight and narrow, I buy it.
Speaker 2: Especially joining a veteran roster. Here you got veteran like
Speaker 2: Brandon Graham, Fletcher Cox, guys like that. This is this
Speaker 2: is a perfect spot for Carter. I mean, Seattle is
Speaker 2: the one that a lot of people pointed to and that
Speaker 2: would have made sense to but Philly is great.
Speaker 3: Lend yeah, you have you have a new defensive coordinator
Speaker 3: and Sean decide like, although there was a lot of stuff,
Speaker 3: they they'll do similar from last year on defense, and
Speaker 3: I mean they're just ultraloaded.
Speaker 2: The Bears. That was a very a smart decision. They
Speaker 2: have to better protect justin field. So Darnell right there
Speaker 2: a clean prospect a tackle. There any thoughts beyond that
Speaker 2: right tackle?
Speaker 4: You know they're happy with their left tackle, Braxton Jones.
Speaker 4: I think they hit on a fifth rounder a year
Speaker 4: ago who really looked quite good at left tackle, and
Speaker 4: so they took a guy and Wright who you know
Speaker 4: the way explained to me the more you watched him,
Speaker 4: it was like, why isn't this guy getting ranked higher
Speaker 4: on draft boards? And then eventually he did. He looks
Speaker 4: like the most ready kind of guy to go play
Speaker 4: Day one. He's just a right tackle only. But for
Speaker 4: the Bears, I don't think that's going to.
Speaker 2: Be a similar situation to Seattle, where when they hit
Speaker 2: on a late round cornerback last year and now they
Speaker 2: come back and they get a big prospect and if
Speaker 2: they hit on this guy, now look out, and you
Speaker 2: did it in a without giving up two lottery type picks.
Speaker 4: I keep clicking by mistake and I just sex it out.
Speaker 4: I'm Peter Schrager's mock draft and thinking those were the
Speaker 4: picks that actually happened, and it's blowing my brain. It's like,
Speaker 4: what what is it?
Speaker 1: What? What? Hit it? Hit it? Let's go, let's fly.
Speaker 1: Give me a long one, give me a long Greggie? What? What?
Speaker 6: What? What? What?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 6: What? What?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 6: What? What?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 6: What? What? What? What? What? What? What?
Speaker 1: All? Right?
Speaker 3: Okay, you're gonna lose me.
Speaker 2: So this, this part of the draft frustrates me a
Speaker 2: little bit. So the Packers, as a part of the
Speaker 2: Iron Rodgers trade, UH swapped number one picks this year.
Speaker 2: So they move into thirteen and they say, we want
Speaker 2: to get some help with our defense. They do it all, by.
Speaker 1: The way, this is what they do all the time,
Speaker 1: the Packers. They take defensive players.
Speaker 4: They didn't stick at to Aaron Rodgers in the first
Speaker 4: round and Lucas van Nests out.
Speaker 1: Of Iowa goes there.
Speaker 3: Well, so yeah, I mean I had a sandwich prop
Speaker 3: saying that they would take at least four wide receiver
Speaker 3: tight end combination. It's still gonna happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but this is like you got eleven more picks.
Speaker 3: This is where I thought it would happen, though, is
Speaker 3: like you go get the best wide receiver and you
Speaker 3: build around Jordan Love and I guess it is frustrating
Speaker 3: from that angle, except that Lucas van Nest to me
Speaker 3: along with Rashan gary Is, I just think he just
Speaker 3: strikes me as someone that's going to come right in
Speaker 3: and be ultra disruptive, and I just I've liked him
Speaker 3: a lot through this whole process. He's sort of an
Speaker 3: athletic freak, and it's something it's good for Green Bay.
Speaker 3: I think from that angle, it's not like it's negative
Speaker 3: because he's not a wide receiver.
Speaker 4: Well, he also is wearing the shirt. I think of
Speaker 4: any draft prospect that would have been most likely to
Speaker 4: be worn by Mark Sessler, Like it was a pretty wild,
Speaker 4: beautiful shirt that was really a change to what we
Speaker 4: mostly see in men's fashion. Mark is trying to be
Speaker 4: the change that he wants to see in men's fashion.
Speaker 4: He's been very frustrated.
Speaker 3: I at least complain about it. I don't know what
Speaker 3: change for this shirt.
Speaker 4: Look at this. I mean, people should check out the
Speaker 4: YouTube of this.
Speaker 2: B I don't know what something Prince would wear in
Speaker 2: his estate, earthly flower maniagements or something.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure Vans will be good, but colored
Speaker 4: me less excited that we got like Preston Smith's replacement.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just wanted something more poppy. But
Speaker 4: he fits very much with Gary and Preston Smith. He
Speaker 4: reminds me of Preston Smith. Kind of is a guy
Speaker 4: who's gonna get a lot of pressure. Is probably not
Speaker 4: a lot of sacks, good good sacks.
Speaker 3: The guys from like Iowa, they don't care if it's
Speaker 3: like one degree out.
Speaker 1: That's not the pick that annoyed me.
Speaker 2: The next pick is what annoyed me because the Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: Steelers trade up with the New England Patriots, and you know,
Speaker 2: we talked about this leading into the draft.
Speaker 1: It's time for Pittsburgh to shore up that.
Speaker 2: Offensive line and get back to you know, dominating up front.
Speaker 2: We had Damashak on the live stream check that out,
Speaker 2: and he made a point of that as well.
Speaker 1: They go and get Broderick Jones.
Speaker 2: Which not only costs me a sangwige, it I think
Speaker 2: causes the next team, the Jets, to have to pivot
Speaker 2: and go in a different direction. So that was an
Speaker 2: area of need for Pittsburgh, they have a second year
Speaker 2: quarterback and Canny Pickett, a running game that I feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, they have a first round running back from
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago that Ay Harris, Yeah, Naje
Speaker 2: Harris that you feel like it hasn't ever really totally clicked.
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of that goes back to
Speaker 2: QB line play. Maybe now everything's in line for Harris
Speaker 2: to truly take off and Picket to take the next
Speaker 2: step with a big time lineman. If if broderct Jones hit.
Speaker 3: I think you started to see that run game come together.
Speaker 3: At the end of last season, the line got a
Speaker 3: little bit better after being an abject disaster early on. Damashek,
Speaker 3: who is pretty accurate with his Steelers' prognostications, called him
Speaker 3: an eleven win team in a rough and tumble AFC.
Speaker 3: They'd line I think for you know, growing up, the
Speaker 3: Steelers always maldy with the with the offensive line, and
Speaker 3: it's been a real problem lately. And their offense now
Speaker 3: at this point feels so different from where they were
Speaker 3: a year a year and a half ago because you
Speaker 3: got all these young talented players on sort of the
Speaker 3: first contract and quarterback George Pickens. You're improving the line,
Speaker 3: Najor Harris. It's like you can really see something there.
Speaker 4: There was a kind of a run on tackles here,
Speaker 4: So it's telling to me the Patriots traded out. I
Speaker 4: thought they might take a tackle, but they traded out.
Speaker 4: They picked up, you know, an extra I think it
Speaker 4: was a fourth to move down a few spots, and
Speaker 4: maybe they were just happy to extra. Stick it to
Speaker 4: the Jets. They somehow knew that the Steelers would take
Speaker 4: the Jets guy, although we don't really even know it
Speaker 4: was the Jets guy. It just seemed to make sense.
Speaker 2: I think it was the Jets guy because the Jets
Speaker 2: they take Will McDonald out of Iowa State, who is
Speaker 2: known as Bendy or mister Bendy, and is despite not
Speaker 2: having ideal size as a very athletic, talented edge rusher
Speaker 2: you need. Jets are still looking for that consistency in
Speaker 2: their pass rush. And yet, yeah, I think they were
Speaker 2: kind of caught a little bit here because remember they
Speaker 2: have Carl Lawson. It's kind of a forgotten thing, but
Speaker 2: they had all those first round picks last year. They
Speaker 2: took Jermaine Johnson last year as well. They have a
Speaker 2: ton ton of linemen, and I know Salah is going
Speaker 2: to try to keep all those guys in the mix,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. I was definitely it's it's all
Speaker 2: kind of there's still a lot of afterglow with the
Speaker 2: Rogers things, so I'm not really that down about it,
Speaker 2: but the offensive lineman felt like such the move and
Speaker 2: they just they ran out of the Big four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought you made a good point on our
Speaker 3: live stream, where like they are basically going into no,
Speaker 3: there's more picks to come, but you're going into the
Speaker 3: season with last year's line that that's fine if they
Speaker 3: can stay healthy and if Mackay Beckton, know who's had
Speaker 3: a good offseason. There's a lot of praise around what
Speaker 3: his effort and everything, but like you got to you
Speaker 3: got to stay intact, right, So this would have been
Speaker 3: a big It felt like a really right place for
Speaker 3: an offensive tackle.
Speaker 4: I would assume they'll take one in this draft, but
Speaker 4: it might be like a fourth rounder that you're just
Speaker 4: crossing your fingers that you can develop. Will McDonald is
Speaker 4: a little bit different flavor than the guys they have.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a different flavor than most of the league,
Speaker 4: but we're seeing the league get lighter. I mean, he's
Speaker 4: like Nolan Smith in terms of his size, under two
Speaker 4: hundred and forty pounds as an edge rusher, is wild,
Speaker 4: but just a total like Tasmanian devil of just getting
Speaker 4: after the quarterback and just tough as hell and didn't
Speaker 4: like blow up the combine quite as much. So I
Speaker 4: think a lot of people thought Nolan Smith would go
Speaker 4: ahead of him, and Nolan'smith ended up going fifteen picks later.
Speaker 4: But an exciting player, a little different flavor than the
Speaker 4: other guys.
Speaker 1: It's just not what I was expecting.
Speaker 2: I even thought there was a chance they might go
Speaker 2: get one of the wide receivers or a tight end,
Speaker 2: but they take another pass rusher and he's going to
Speaker 2: eventually replace Carl Lawson. It just becomes a matter of
Speaker 2: is that happening next year?
Speaker 1: Is lost?
Speaker 2: And potentially is that something that can happen. Will he
Speaker 2: be moved or even released?
Speaker 1: We shall see. Let's take a break.
Speaker 3: It will always have your chant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well see, you can't hurt me. He can't hurt
Speaker 2: me right now, it's teflon baby. Let's take a break
Speaker 2: and we'll hit the back end of the first round.
Speaker 2: All right, here we go, Welcome back to the Podkis,
Speaker 2: the commanders meet and potatoes. Mark Emmanuel Forbes, cornerback out
Speaker 2: of Mississippi State. The New England Patriots traded back to
Speaker 2: take a cornerback as well, Christian Gonzalez, who dropped a
Speaker 2: little bit there. And then we'll move to the Detroit
Speaker 2: lines and we'll hit all these three. Jack Campbell a
Speaker 2: little bit of a surprise inside linebacker out of Iowa,
Speaker 2: so they'd go running back and inside linebacker with their
Speaker 2: two first round picks.
Speaker 3: Correct, And you've got to be thrilled if you're the
Speaker 3: Patriots to have Christian Gonzalez, who I don't know if
Speaker 3: that seemed like a top ten pick or the first
Speaker 3: corner back off the board potentially to fall to you
Speaker 3: at seventeen. It's the place where I really would want
Speaker 3: to be a cornerback and go play because I trust
Speaker 3: the development they're under Bill Belichick.
Speaker 4: It is exciting for them to have and so rare
Speaker 4: to have a draft that worked out so well for
Speaker 4: them conventionally. I mean some it doesn't matter what the
Speaker 4: mock draft grades are, but they'll get a good one
Speaker 4: for once because Gonzales fits a need. They certainly could
Speaker 4: use a cornerback. They could certainly use a cornerback that's
Speaker 4: like taller than me. I mean, their cornerbacks is just
Speaker 4: a small group. Jonathan Jones, you got Jack Jones, you
Speaker 4: got Marcus Jones. All the Jones is. They're not terribly tall.
Speaker 4: Neither's Miles Brian. It's just like one of the smallest
Speaker 4: groups of cornerbacks in the NFL. Maybe in NFL history.
Speaker 4: I guess they used to be small back in the day.
Speaker 1: Can you check every cornerback group in the history of
Speaker 1: the league and see.
Speaker 4: But now you're bringing a guy who's like smoothest I mean,
Speaker 4: this is the way he moves is nice, like a
Speaker 4: little Stefan Gilmore vibe.
Speaker 3: Emmanuel Sanders said on NFL Network before the draft that
Speaker 3: the Christian Ganzell was exactly the type of corner as
Speaker 3: a smaller wide receiver, exactly the kind of cornerback you
Speaker 3: don't want to deal with.
Speaker 2: So the Patriots very far excited and uh.
Speaker 4: And Forbes is fun too. Under one hundred and seventy
Speaker 4: pounds is a six to one guy. But like just
Speaker 4: I was, Dick, I was in the middle of talking.
Speaker 2: Sorry, it's Okay, Greg, I was just gonna say. Christian
Speaker 2: Gonzales was not overly excited, it seemed after you.
Speaker 4: I think he was disappointed to fall to seventeen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how much money? How much money does it cost
Speaker 2: you to fall from seventeen? Like if you went top ten?
Speaker 1: Is there? I know it's a it's a big difference,
Speaker 1: but how big are we talking?
Speaker 3: Plus I don't have the exact number for you at
Speaker 3: this moment, but I can do some work on that, justin.
Speaker 2: Once you get through every cornerbacks group in the history
Speaker 2: of the league. Just the exact money.
Speaker 4: All right, Okay, I got it. I got it. An
Speaker 4: article number seven, let's say where a lot of people
Speaker 4: mock them to the Raiders twenty seven and a half
Speaker 4: twenty seven million, number seventeen guaranteed. Well, this is the
Speaker 4: whole contract which they almost always all get h sixteen million.
Speaker 4: So that's a seven million dollar difference.
Speaker 2: Pretty big difference, And maybe I wouldn't be smiling as
Speaker 2: much either, But he's still first round pick in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Are we surprised about the Lions pick Greg after they
Speaker 2: take the running back going Jack Campbell. There not a
Speaker 2: lot of people had them there, but they do need
Speaker 2: to boost that defense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was shocking. Jack Campbell, though, is a guy
Speaker 4: I think they kind of are living in an age
Speaker 4: that Dan Campbell played in. You know, they draft their
Speaker 4: running back, they draft an off ball linebacker like Jack
Speaker 4: Campbell is the type of guy who twenty years ago
Speaker 4: would have got taken in the top twenty and you
Speaker 4: wouldn't have blinked. He won the College Award for the
Speaker 4: best linebacker. He's extremely athletic. He blew up the combine,
Speaker 4: just like you know, a nice corn fed boy from Idaho,
Speaker 4: Iowa that just made play after play, like racked up tackles.
Speaker 4: But he was not getting a lot of buzz in
Speaker 4: this draft because that positions is not valued and he
Speaker 4: wasn't like a total freak like a Devin White who
Speaker 4: was getting top ten in twenty two.
Speaker 3: But Gus award corn fed corn fit.
Speaker 4: I don't know why you always say that about I
Speaker 4: always say that or people say that like I usually,
Speaker 4: you know, typically.
Speaker 3: Just mean they're out there work in the fields, they're farmers.
Speaker 3: Means you played his sons of farmers.
Speaker 4: You're like a white guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's it's it's the crafty wide receiver, but
Speaker 2: for like a linebacker corn fed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't suggest a slight individual.
Speaker 4: It's always like I always see them in mock drafts
Speaker 4: to be like this guy just like looks like he
Speaker 4: just seems like a patriot and it's just always a
Speaker 4: white fit.
Speaker 2: Let's keep on moving. I like this next pick, all right,
Speaker 2: the next pick, go ahead, set.
Speaker 3: Up Elijah CANTSI Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Todd Bowles gets uh,
Speaker 3: you know, baby Aaron Donald. I just I want to
Speaker 3: see him play because I mean there's like some of
Speaker 3: the Yeah, his arms are also a little little short,
Speaker 3: that's maybe an issue, but like he's explosive and they
Speaker 3: could use a little juice right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like a pure pass rusher. I always get
Speaker 4: a little worried about Todd Bowles just seems like all
Speaker 4: he cares about his defense. And so Canty is a
Speaker 4: fun pick. And he's not gonna be playing on running
Speaker 4: downs necessarily all the time right away, and that's fine,
Speaker 4: but he'll juice up the passers. I just you do
Speaker 4: need to play offense.
Speaker 3: This is this is when I got a little or
Speaker 3: increasingly worried for Will Levis because this seems like a
Speaker 3: potential landing spot for him, I know, and.
Speaker 2: The draft board plays out a certain way or whatever.
Speaker 2: But they're serious about this Baker thing.
Speaker 1: I guess Tampa.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they are, at least for this year.
Speaker 3: I mean, but there's not a surprise.
Speaker 1: That's a little surprising.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: He's been flailing for years. A couple of good games
Speaker 2: last year to be there. Like week one, they.
Speaker 3: Keep talking about Coyle Trast whenever they talk about Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3: But what's so excited about Coyle Trast?
Speaker 4: They could be a Tannehill guy. I also think they're
Speaker 4: among the most likely Will Levis landing spots in round two.
Speaker 4: I thought they would take Levis there. That was the
Speaker 4: first spot where I was like, hmm.
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 2: Uh, let's head into the twenties, all right. This is
Speaker 2: a great pick the Seattle Seahawks, after passing on a
Speaker 2: quarterback and instead of addressing their defense in the top five,
Speaker 2: they then take Jackson Smith and Jigba out of Ohio State,
Speaker 2: seen by many as the best wide receiver in this class.
Speaker 2: So they have Tyler Lockett, they have dk Metcalf, and
Speaker 2: now they have Smith and Jigba. A very nice trio,
Speaker 2: one of the best. Who is that damn if.
Speaker 4: If he hits, Wait, that's Kevin Hart talking to Uh,
Speaker 4: who was it?
Speaker 5: When do you found out somebody was old? It's an
Speaker 5: It's an actor. Don Cheatle, don cheedle oh.
Speaker 1: And Cheatle got pissed, Cheatle got it pissed.
Speaker 4: Every time I heart talk, I just think of him saying, you.
Speaker 2: Know, damn anyway Smith and Jagba hits, that's a really
Speaker 2: and again everything broke Geno today.
Speaker 1: They don't get Richardson.
Speaker 2: They address defense in the first pick, and then they
Speaker 2: add another playmaker.
Speaker 1: Very nice, very nice.
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be really productive for them out
Speaker 3: of the gate. Great route runner fits right in. And
Speaker 3: you know, I thought he could have gone to the Jets.
Speaker 3: I thought he could have gone to the Packers. It's
Speaker 3: a bit of a koude top for Seattle to get
Speaker 3: him here.
Speaker 4: He's like the option route master and uh, we're just
Speaker 4: him and the quarterback have to be on the same page.
Speaker 4: He looks at the leverage and he picks which spot
Speaker 4: to go. Basically a better version of all those slot receivers,
Speaker 4: and the Seahawks have been desperately needing that for years.
Speaker 4: Like he's just good at setting up defenders in the
Speaker 4: open field, Like he's kind of got like a crossover
Speaker 4: in terms of how he gets past people vision, Like
Speaker 4: he's just a great runner. And man, the three of
Speaker 4: them compliment each other very well. Those three receivers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a great pick.
Speaker 2: And you know what, we were in the heat of
Speaker 2: the moment doing the live stream, I did not even
Speaker 2: process that this started a run of four straight wide
Speaker 2: receivers off the board. So, as we said, Smith and
Speaker 2: Jigba to Seattle, the Chargers take Quinton Johnston, adding another playmaker.
Speaker 2: That was a smart move out of TCU the Ravens
Speaker 2: that and by the way, we're gonna get to Lamar
Speaker 2: in a second, but let's start by talking about the draft.
Speaker 2: Still Zay Flowers, the wide receiver out of BC who
Speaker 2: had been connected to Kansas City as a potential option.
Speaker 2: He goes to Baltimore, and then with a twenty third pick,
Speaker 2: another wide receiver, Jordan Addison out of USC goes to
Speaker 2: the Vikings, obviously replacing Adam Thielen Or that's the hope.
Speaker 1: Wow, four in a row.
Speaker 3: I'd start with the Ravens because it's a big win
Speaker 3: for I think Rashad Bateman too, who you know, he's
Speaker 3: been injured, he's had durability issues. I think it's a
Speaker 3: very good wide receiver. You know, Odell Beckham, Flowers, Rashod Bateman,
Speaker 3: Mark Andrews, a new offensive coordinator, and you have Lamar
Speaker 3: Jack's a good I mean just that, I I guess
Speaker 3: I should say that more that I don't want him
Speaker 3: to be your number one wide receiver. And now you've
Speaker 3: kind of put him probably where he's where he's teared.
Speaker 3: It's not great for his production, but for the Ravens
Speaker 3: who have struggled for decades to draft anyone like I
Speaker 3: thought Zay Flowers was almost a home run to be
Speaker 3: chased after by the Chiefs who seems so interested in him,
Speaker 3: and it would have fit so well there. But this
Speaker 3: passing game has hope for the first time in a while.
Speaker 4: Well, Steve Smith, you know, watched Flowers and thought he
Speaker 4: kind of reminds me of me. And now you put
Speaker 4: him in Baltimore and you can't help but think of
Speaker 4: Steve Smith's years there and and Kwon Bolden they've always had.
Speaker 4: I know, it's totally different staffs, it's not necessarily connected,
Speaker 4: but I can see Lamar throwing well over the middle
Speaker 4: of the field. That's where he's at his best. Two
Speaker 4: day flowers and now you have all sorts of different
Speaker 4: flavors between Rashad Bateman and Odell. It's just a much
Speaker 4: different team. And oh, by the way, you can have
Speaker 4: a fully healthy JK. Dobbins, not like just coming back
Speaker 4: from injury halfway through the season. You've got Linderbaums now
Speaker 4: a year older, their first round pick. I mean, they
Speaker 4: still need to stay healthy. But on paper, it's a
Speaker 4: great day for Lamar Jackson and we might as well
Speaker 4: get to it. I mean, it's crazy that this is
Speaker 4: an afterthought. Lamar Jackson's new contract is an afterthought. But
Speaker 4: that's what happens to that.
Speaker 2: Draft thingks the first night of the NFL Draft and
Speaker 2: Lamar signs, it comes to agreement on a five year,
Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty million dollar contract. Rap she'd had
Speaker 2: the reporting there. The deal includes one hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: five million in total guarantees, per Rapaport. The fifty two
Speaker 2: million per year annual salary makes Jackson the NFL's newest
Speaker 2: highest paid player. So Jalen Hurts had that title for
Speaker 2: all of a week, So there are different ways to
Speaker 2: look at this. Of course, it's Deshaun Watson who has
Speaker 2: still has the strap for the most guaranteed money at
Speaker 2: two thirty.
Speaker 1: That was what obviously Lamar was shooting for.
Speaker 2: But he ends up in a very good place against
Speaker 2: five year deal, one hundred and eighty five million guarantee
Speaker 2: and he's not going anywhere. Do we have some of
Speaker 2: our sound making the announcement on social media as as
Speaker 2: the kids in sports do these days.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this courtesy of the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 7: You know, for the last few months, there's been a
Speaker 7: lot of he says, She says, a lot of nail biden,
Speaker 7: a lot of head scratching going on. Oh, for the
Speaker 7: next five years, it's a lot of flock going on.
Speaker 1: Let's go, baby, A lot of flock.
Speaker 7: Can't wait to get there. I can't wait to be there.
Speaker 7: I can't wait to light an M and T for
Speaker 7: the next five years.
Speaker 1: Man, let's get it LEM and T the stadium right.
Speaker 3: A lot of he said, she said, scenarios there.
Speaker 4: I mean, there is gonna be a lot of flocking
Speaker 4: going on. We're gonna be flocking up a storm in Baltimore.
Speaker 4: Let's go who's way. I don't know. Just watching football,
Speaker 4: people are that are have this is over. You were
Speaker 4: right by the way to ask if the Hurts contract
Speaker 4: had an impact that. I was like, I don't know, No,
Speaker 4: I didn't think so football and he hands up signing
Speaker 4: essentially Jalen Hurts his contract plus ten percent. That's that's
Speaker 4: why you don't need an agent. Apparently in the end,
Speaker 4: is you just like, oh, yeah, give me Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 4: But I like add like seven percent.
Speaker 3: I really don't have a super strong feeling about to
Speaker 3: have an agent or not. But it made it a
Speaker 3: lot more tedious for all of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of the most important thing. Yeah, at
Speaker 1: least for us.
Speaker 4: Over it's over, and it's in a nice spot. I'm
Speaker 4: do we know?
Speaker 1: Do we? Yeah? There is there anything about the contract?
Speaker 1: We don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't I have no idea, But all we know
Speaker 2: is it's no longer a story. He is going there.
Speaker 2: And I said it about when Odell signed. The writing
Speaker 2: was on the wall there because Odell is a certain
Speaker 2: type of guy and he was not going to go
Speaker 2: play with Snoop Huntley Lamar was going back. It felt
Speaker 2: like it was going to happen. The only thing then
Speaker 2: was like, do the Ravens how far did they want
Speaker 2: to take this? Did they want to do something like
Speaker 2: they did today by adding a playmaker and then have
Speaker 2: Lamar play on that franchise and see how he does
Speaker 2: with a better supporting cast.
Speaker 1: Before they I kind of maybe would have thought about
Speaker 1: doing that.
Speaker 2: But at the same time things had gotten so when
Speaker 2: the negotiation was so a grim that I don't think
Speaker 2: they even had that as an option. They almost had
Speaker 2: to make Lamar happy and keep it from being a circus,
Speaker 2: which is kind of what it was.
Speaker 4: I think what was lost a little in this is
Speaker 4: how much the Ravens wanted Lamar Jackson to keep being
Speaker 4: their quarterback this whole time. Now, they had a certain
Speaker 4: way they approached the negotiation, but they did not want
Speaker 4: to be in any world where they were starting over
Speaker 4: at quarterback when they have this quarterback that they really love.
Speaker 4: That's why they offered him one hundred and thirty three
Speaker 4: million dollars guaranteed six months ago. The problem was that
Speaker 4: price just wasn't enough. They get to the finish line,
Speaker 4: I'm glad it's over, and I'm glad like this is
Speaker 4: a good looking team overall. That's why this that eleven
Speaker 4: wins for the Steelers seems rich to me, because I
Speaker 4: think the Browns have a chance. They have a pretty
Speaker 4: good roster if watching as well. And then you have
Speaker 4: the Ravens and you have the Benk goes Man that
Speaker 4: it's just a loaded wit.
Speaker 3: Damn Aschek said that that was before they had taken
Speaker 3: Save Flowers here too, not that that's the complete turning point.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think if we knew all this was
Speaker 3: going to happen, that that Lamar Jackson was essentially going
Speaker 3: to go to market months ago and someone said not
Speaker 3: a single other team would show any tangible interest in him,
Speaker 3: that's an upset. The Ravens really want him, but no
Speaker 3: one else did.
Speaker 4: Well, they didn't want to give up Yeah, multiple first
Speaker 4: round picks and that.
Speaker 2: I think there were probably aspects of it that were
Speaker 2: humbling for Jackson. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: things kind of worked out and.
Speaker 4: It's already gotten lost in the shuffle Todd Monk and
Speaker 4: the new offensive coordinator. You know, it's going to be
Speaker 4: a totally different offense. We'll see what it looks like
Speaker 4: he was in college. You know he had been in
Speaker 4: the pros before, but uh, it's gonna it's not gonna
Speaker 4: be that weird, just crazy, run heavy Greg Roman thing.
Speaker 3: Well, I think the Greg Roman thing, as it does,
Speaker 3: kind of ran its course, and probably the moving on
Speaker 3: from Greg Roman was a big boon for Lamar Jackson too.
Speaker 2: I think we just I just wonder if, yea, they
Speaker 2: had a potential opportunity to to see if Lamar could
Speaker 2: stay healthy this upcoming season.
Speaker 3: I just don't think he would.
Speaker 2: Production was going to kind of get back to what
Speaker 2: he was a few years ago.
Speaker 3: Do you think he would have played? I could have said,
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think it would have I think.
Speaker 3: It was it.
Speaker 2: It was kind of the the well was poisoned from
Speaker 2: that perspective, So they they're rolling the dice a little bit,
Speaker 2: but you know that's how it works.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if Kyler is getting that money, if Deshaun Watson's
Speaker 4: getting that money, like this is this is an MVP,
Speaker 4: He's getting that money.
Speaker 2: Here we go the Giants, who, by the way, gave
Speaker 2: a lot of money to a quarterback that maybe you
Speaker 2: need to see more from. They take a cornerback, Deontay
Speaker 2: Banks out of Maryland that that is an area of need.
Speaker 2: The Bills, speaking of area of need. At twenty five,
Speaker 2: take Dalton Kincaid, so the first tight end comes off
Speaker 2: the board out of Utah, giving the team another offensive playmaker.
Speaker 2: Everyone was saying the same thing there they need to
Speaker 2: add players.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Is DeAndre Hopkins next? Maybe not through reports that came
Speaker 2: out today that the Cardinals now are more likely to
Speaker 2: hang on to Hopkins, but maybe that smoke still would
Speaker 2: like to see that. Get Kincaid and Hopkins in there
Speaker 2: and we're flying.
Speaker 1: And then the.
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys at twenty six overall, take the Wizard of
Speaker 2: mos Mazzie Smith defensive tackle out of Michigan. So they
Speaker 2: want to help out with their run stuffing game, and
Speaker 2: the Smith is he's good at that.
Speaker 3: I love Kincaid for the Bills. I think that this
Speaker 3: would have been a wide receiver area too had they
Speaker 3: not been that run. The one thing about the Hopkins
Speaker 3: like just going to look at like over the cap.
Speaker 3: I think I mentioned this the other show, that the
Speaker 3: amount of dead money that the Cardinals are still stuck with.
Speaker 3: If they move them, I know they're in rebuilding. They're
Speaker 3: dead anyway, the dead anyway.
Speaker 4: So you get something for trying to By all accounts,
Speaker 4: rap sheet said they were trying to include them in
Speaker 4: a deal that would have included the Titans potentially. The
Speaker 4: report te Football Talk rather that reported that I should say.
Speaker 3: Well then why not Buffalo go get them? I mean,
Speaker 3: like that makes right. I believe about Stefan Dixon too,
Speaker 3: like he's not doing the off season like it seems
Speaker 3: to be something.
Speaker 1: For what it's worth.
Speaker 2: Cardinals general manager Monty austin Ford had this to say
Speaker 2: after Thursday night. I don't foresee that happening. Austin Ford said,
Speaker 2: after Paris Johnson Junior was taking at number six. I
Speaker 2: don't know what is going to happen here in the
Speaker 2: next couple of days right now. I don't see that
Speaker 2: foresee that happening now.
Speaker 1: So that's not sure. Sure definitely. Oh.
Speaker 2: He also added Deandre's a cardinal and we're moving forward.
Speaker 1: Oh well, that's pretty strong. I would have led with
Speaker 1: that quote, but it's okay.
Speaker 4: I do love that Concaid pick. They actually gave up
Speaker 4: a fourth round pick to move up to spots because
Speaker 4: I think they were worried Dallas would potentially take Dalton Kincaid,
Speaker 4: who knows if Dallas actually would have because I was
Speaker 4: sure they were going to take Michael Meyer. There the
Speaker 4: notreed amtile he fell out of the first round. The
Speaker 4: Jason Witten replacement if there ever was one. But man,
Speaker 4: I really love Kinkaid. I was totally with moved the
Speaker 4: sticks with Daniel Jeremiah. He had Kincaid as a top
Speaker 4: ten player in this entire draft. I thought he was
Speaker 4: the most exciting pass catcher in this draft period, just
Speaker 4: as crazy hand.
Speaker 1: Here's the test, good, this is the test, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about, Uh, it's time for a tight
Speaker 2: end to come into this league and ball out. You
Speaker 2: demanded it, I demanded it. If not stop taking him
Speaker 2: in the first round.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a twenty fifth pick, though he's saying.
Speaker 1: First rounder and you're move.
Speaker 2: You're putting him in Western New York with one of
Speaker 2: the great quarterbacks in the sport and a great they
Speaker 2: got Stephan Diggs in the building.
Speaker 1: You have no excuse for this guy not to be
Speaker 1: a baller.
Speaker 3: It's not too much for you to ask that.
Speaker 4: He also just gave Dawson Knox a ton of money.
Speaker 4: But I think they're very different players. Knocks, you know,
Speaker 4: a little bit of a blocker, but still it's interesting
Speaker 4: give that much money to Dawson Knox and then take Kinkaid.
Speaker 4: I do want to mention, I just say the great Eric.
Speaker 2: Roberts behind the glass, one of the people behind the
Speaker 2: scenes that make the show go and a diehard Bills fan,
Speaker 2: pointed out the exact contract specific So it was a
Speaker 2: thirteen million a year in that extension.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fifty two million.
Speaker 4: Or fifty two I think like there's a.
Speaker 2: Lot of money. Yeah, and now you just brought in
Speaker 2: another tight end. Maybe they make it work and then
Speaker 2: knocks those different things.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of money.
Speaker 4: It was an overpay for knocks. A lot of Money's fine,
Speaker 4: but that.
Speaker 3: Was If there's any reason to check out our YouTube
Speaker 3: live stream, go to the last you know, ten minutes
Speaker 3: or so and check out Eric's billshirt.
Speaker 1: It's just for yeah, just check out Eric in general. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I mean there's you could do that striking looking guy.
Speaker 2: Yes, he's got dark hair, a lot of comments mustache,
Speaker 2: and then like he's got these cool piercings, nice torso area,
Speaker 2: and then a really nice fitted shirt.
Speaker 4: This is getting everything.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, wait, are we cool?
Speaker 4: Eric?
Speaker 1: Okay, he's giving me a thumbs up.
Speaker 4: Hr Is actually just walked in.
Speaker 8: Hr Is at home, went home to days no rules
Speaker 8: sleep as well, Yeah, we're going home soon, but so
Speaker 8: that Chargers and Vikings fans don't complain.
Speaker 4: Quintin Johnston nice little Mike Williams replacement. That's interesting though,
Speaker 4: I kind of think Mike Williams is not long for
Speaker 4: the Chargers one more year on his contract. And then
Speaker 4: Addison was my personal favorite wide receiver in this class,
Speaker 4: just because I feel like he is going to get open.
Speaker 4: That's what Questi Adopho Mensa said in his press comments.
Speaker 4: Just like this guy gets open coming off the bus.
Speaker 4: He just runs great routes. So good luck to cornerbacks
Speaker 4: trying to Jefferson and Addison. Addison's your number two. You
Speaker 4: can't double that guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And famously it was the Vikings a different brain
Speaker 2: trust obviously, so maybe it's not one to one, and
Speaker 2: it's not even close actually, but they laughed when it
Speaker 2: was who did the who the Eagles take ahead of Justin.
Speaker 4: Jefferson, Jalen Rager, Jalen Rager.
Speaker 2: So they're hoping now on the Viking history is gonna
Speaker 2: repeat itself and they end up getting the best wide
Speaker 2: receiver in this draft class. Even if he isn't the
Speaker 2: first off the boarding. You know who else could just
Speaker 2: in his heyday, he just always got open.
Speaker 3: Randy Moss.
Speaker 1: It's different, Okay, Adam Thieling, Oh that's what he did.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not. I'm correct about Randy Moss.
Speaker 4: It's absolutely right that feeling.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, Greg Martin. You're muddling the process.
Speaker 1: I was, I was purpose for you, he was.
Speaker 2: Okay, remember that game on Thanksgiving and he had three
Speaker 2: touchdown catches. That was only three catches he had in
Speaker 2: that whole game against the Cowboys. Just think about that, like,
Speaker 2: is Randy Muss truly elite?
Speaker 3: Well, it wouldn't have happened if that Cowboys team had
Speaker 3: Mazzy Smith defensive tackle out of Michigan, So.
Speaker 1: The Wizard of Mars. All right, let's finish it up here.
Speaker 2: The Jags pick they got from Buffalo, take Anton Harrison,
Speaker 2: tackle Oklahoma. We should mention that Cam Robinson, their left tackle,
Speaker 2: apparently tested positive for PEDS and is facing a suspension.
Speaker 2: We don't know how long the suspension is unless something
Speaker 2: else was reported, but he's out for the beginning of
Speaker 2: the season. So here's Harrison potential six game suspension.
Speaker 1: It appears to be.
Speaker 4: Never a great sign when you're like taking a guy
Speaker 4: because your other guy just got to sign. I'm not
Speaker 4: sure that's.
Speaker 3: Why they did that, but it feels a little little desperate.
Speaker 2: The Bengals take defensive end Miles Murphy out of Clemson,
Speaker 2: so they add you know, we talked, we connected them
Speaker 2: to those running backs, but they were long gone those
Speaker 2: running backs by the time the Cincinnati Bengals got on
Speaker 2: the draft board. So yeah, they focus on defense there.
Speaker 2: The Saints from from San Francisco through Miami and Denver
Speaker 2: take Brian Breese Bressi of Clemson, the defensive.
Speaker 4: John Payton pick.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Philadelphia Eagles, as we talked about already, Nolan Smith
Speaker 2: out of Georgia. And the final it's got to be
Speaker 2: because it's the last pick, it's got to be the
Speaker 2: tough one. The Kansas City Chiefs take Felix on Adiki Ouzama,
Speaker 2: defensive end out of Kansas State.
Speaker 4: Nice pop from the local crowd there. Good great job
Speaker 4: by Kansas City in general. Since we were on air,
Speaker 4: we weren't really hearing the broadcast as much as I expected.
Speaker 4: I guess I don't know to be having fun, but
Speaker 4: you're enjoyable. Just the visuals of it was wild. And
Speaker 4: then when they announced u and duque Uzama's name, they
Speaker 4: went crazy and I just was like, Wow, that's a
Speaker 4: lot of pop for him. But a Kansas State guy
Speaker 4: makes sense.
Speaker 1: Kansas State, you know what.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Eric Robertsy, we asked Eric to give some
Speaker 2: some breakdown of that. He said, you know, loyal to
Speaker 2: the soil. But Kansas State and Kansas City different states, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're close in Missouri.
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe a little disloyal to the soil.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think it's it's a regional pick, right,
Speaker 3: I mean people get yes, Kansas City, Missouri.
Speaker 4: I mean there is a Kansas City, Kansas. But that's
Speaker 4: beside the point. I guess in this conversation, I've.
Speaker 1: Been pointing it out.
Speaker 3: It's a fair thing to point out.
Speaker 1: But I set loyal to the soil, perhaps disloyal two
Speaker 1: said soil.
Speaker 3: You've just made things are with Eric, after so many
Speaker 3: nice compliments, just just met.
Speaker 4: Okay, you know how long? Right now? It's currently one
Speaker 4: fifty six in the morning in Kansas City. If you
Speaker 4: get on I seventy. You're getting from Kansas State to
Speaker 4: downtown Kansas City. Yeah, in sixteen minutes. That's that's loyal.
Speaker 1: The soil is the same. You got to get over
Speaker 1: the border.
Speaker 3: Though you're very into the state line scenario.
Speaker 1: I understand there could be a toll road.
Speaker 4: Now, you could start stop at the supermart and el Toito.
Speaker 4: It's about halfway if you want.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a rival supermarket for uh you see
Speaker 1: the state.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, read that.
Speaker 1: Read that to us.
Speaker 5: I wish I could pronounce his name Felix. That's why
Speaker 5: you said quote I got drafted by literally my favorite
Speaker 5: team growing up.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good.
Speaker 3: So your argument different state argument continues to crumble, though
Speaker 3: from a certain angle.
Speaker 2: I some things are working against me in this argument,
Speaker 2: I would say, but the only thing I have on
Speaker 2: my side is the fact that it's a different state,
Speaker 2: and you can push back all you want, but that's
Speaker 2: not changing.
Speaker 3: Well, we can discuss that later, can we.
Speaker 1: He's a top ten football inside.
Speaker 4: The only thing you have on your side is that
Speaker 4: we just wrapped it all up. Congratulations, Saints. He took
Speaker 4: another like toolsy defensive end that you're not in love
Speaker 4: with at least that your fans aren't in love with
Speaker 4: They always take these guys.
Speaker 2: So who Yeah, obviously, let's see who is the best
Speaker 2: available players as we And by the way, the Steelers
Speaker 2: have the first pick of the second round, Steelers, Cardinals,
Speaker 2: Lions first three up.
Speaker 3: Some of these tight ends.
Speaker 1: Does Will Levis go to one of those teams? Hendon Hooker?
Speaker 4: I don't Hendon Hooker.
Speaker 1: I mean about the Rams picking fifth in the second round? Hmmm, interesting?
Speaker 3: What do you project for that?
Speaker 4: You know who didn't go? Joey Porter didn't go?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Joey Porter.
Speaker 1: Who I Oh?
Speaker 4: And the Steelers are up first. Maybe that's the spot.
Speaker 3: I think you've got to. I hate when teams don't.
Speaker 1: Do this football though.
Speaker 4: Connection give me.
Speaker 3: A relative surprise that he fell out of the first round.
Speaker 4: A lot of it, you know, Yeah, a physical guy
Speaker 4: that most analysts had in their top twenty.
Speaker 1: It's like it's not an obligation though for.
Speaker 3: Them they could use a cornerback, it's not. But I
Speaker 3: hate when teams don't do it. Like Joey Porter was
Speaker 3: the heart and soul and quite annoying if you were
Speaker 3: to do this, but if you, well, it is reminds
Speaker 3: me of when the Browns passed on the son of
Speaker 3: Clay Matthews and he becomes a or, it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: let's pass on TJ or on JJ Watt's brother, because
Speaker 3: there couldn't possibly be another Watt that's just as good
Speaker 3: as him.
Speaker 4: So fair point. How did one get so over underdrafted
Speaker 4: after the other wat got out overdrafted? Taco Charleton went
Speaker 4: ahead of Tjing.
Speaker 1: Here, Let's let's use that as a cautionary tale. Here.
Speaker 4: Brian Branch, who the best safety in the draft, like
Speaker 4: can do a little bit of everything, not like crazy athleticism,
Speaker 4: but I thought he might go in the first half
Speaker 4: of the first round, is still out there, Michael Mayer.
Speaker 4: As we mentioned, those are kind of the the Mayor,
Speaker 4: your guy Darnel Washington. A lot of receivers. I can't wait.
Speaker 4: A lot of good second round receivers. I'm a big,
Speaker 4: a big fan of a few of them. Mingo is
Speaker 4: a big is a good one. I think Cedric Tillman's
Speaker 4: a good one.
Speaker 3: T J.
Speaker 1: Watt win thirtieth overall twenty seventeen. It's going to Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame.
Speaker 3: Totally absurd, good chance.
Speaker 2: So listen, you might have picked the first second third.
Speaker 2: But you can get a Hall of Famer in the
Speaker 2: back end of the round. You can get a Hall
Speaker 2: of Famer in the second round.
Speaker 1: You can get a Hall of Famer at one ninety nine. Greg.
Speaker 1: Remember remember that Tom Brady can't wait.
Speaker 4: So check out the Tom Brady pick Day three, always
Speaker 4: my favorite.
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Speaker 2: the whole draft, including some winners and losers, and then.
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