WEBVTT - Minisode: Crazy (About Your) Ex Girlfriend with Jenny Mollen and Jason Biggs

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to a new segment, Dear Chelsea.

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<v Speaker 2>Call it Couple's Counseling with Chelsea, where we do couples

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<v Speaker 2>counseling on all sorts of variations of friends, lovers, families.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here with my friends Jenny Mullen and Jason Biggs,

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<v Speaker 2>and we are going to do some couples counseling. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to my office. Okay, guys, on our last session together,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've made a lot of progress on our

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<v Speaker 2>last session, healed. I want to address the ex girlfriend factor,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would like to recap that because that I

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<v Speaker 2>think required a lot of patience and acceptance I think

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<v Speaker 2>from Jason, because he could have really been like, this

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<v Speaker 2>woman is unstable, you know what I mean, This woman's crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>or any of the things you could attribute to somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who would be that interested in his ex girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so we were on a vacation.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about this on your podcast when we went

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<v Speaker 2>on a vacation together French Polynesia scuba diving trip and

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<v Speaker 2>you brought Jason's ex girlfriend's kaftan and you wore it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I even at one point when you'urinated on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what happened to that cap town.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone someone got urinated on and something got urinated on

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<v Speaker 2>on that trip.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, let's talk about Jason.

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<v Speaker 2>How did that when you found out Jenny was obsessed

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<v Speaker 2>with your ex girlfriend?

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<v Speaker 1>How did that make you feel? Like? Did you think,

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<v Speaker 1>whoaa who this might be problematic or you.

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<v Speaker 2>Already were so head over heels with her that you

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<v Speaker 2>thought this is adorable.

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<v Speaker 3>Not the ladder, Not the ladder kills Rachel.

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<v Speaker 4>But there was a sense of I think it actually

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<v Speaker 4>was sort of somewhere in the middle in so far

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<v Speaker 4>as definitely struck me as weird and uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you just kind of recap when it came about briefly.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, it's it's so blurry, and here's I

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<v Speaker 3>can just give you a broad stroke on it.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Yeah, I mean the thing that I'll get into

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<v Speaker 4>is that it it wasn't just once and and so

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<v Speaker 4>my feelings changed over time. When I when I thought it,

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<v Speaker 4>when we was like, okay, this needs to be done

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't like it. And then it happened again.

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<v Speaker 4>That's where it like, Okay, it's no longer adorable. I

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<v Speaker 4>get that you're a story seeker. I get that you're

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<v Speaker 4>anything goes Jenny. You're wild and crazy, you're funny, you're hilarious, impulsive,

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<v Speaker 4>all the things that I do find attractive about her

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<v Speaker 4>to an extent, and this went too far.

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<v Speaker 5>The things he used to find attractive about me, or

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<v Speaker 5>now the heated about me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's par for the course. That's what happens in every real.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's not entirely true. Maybe I still love you

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<v Speaker 4>for those things. There just needs to be. When I

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<v Speaker 4>felt like I wasn't being heard, it was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>this was cute, this is funny, it's it's crazy, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>but like, okay, now we move on. Right now, we're done.

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<v Speaker 4>And then when I learned that not just once, but

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<v Speaker 4>not just twice, but that multiple times it wasn't done,

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<v Speaker 4>then I then it. Then you dip into territory where

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<v Speaker 4>it's like, oh, you're deceiving me, but let me.

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<v Speaker 3>Like give people. Yeah, don't know, let me just give

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<v Speaker 3>you quickly. Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>So basically Jason had dated somebody prior to me that

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<v Speaker 5>wasn't over him when we got together, and this person

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<v Speaker 5>was doing things, making episodes about Jason breaking up with her,

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<v Speaker 5>engaging with the family. The sister would cry to me

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<v Speaker 5>about missing her. There was all this shit and I

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<v Speaker 5>was like, this is fucking fascinating to me, Like who

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<v Speaker 5>is this girl?

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<v Speaker 3>You're making me love her?

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<v Speaker 5>Like I want to know everything, and it was all

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<v Speaker 5>these weird fucking facts. It was like, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not gonna like expose things whatever right now because a

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<v Speaker 5>couple of therapy I've agreed to not really talk about her,

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<v Speaker 5>but like it'd be like things that this were incongruous

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<v Speaker 5>to like what I did know. You know, it's like

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<v Speaker 5>she traveled and was like a shirt but for a while,

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<v Speaker 5>and then she did this, and you know, it was

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<v Speaker 5>like she went to law school, like all these random things.

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<v Speaker 5>She was married, she was and so it became like

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<v Speaker 5>the most the Doseki's man, she was like the most

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<v Speaker 5>interesting person in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, this is fucking crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>And she's still in love with Jason and now she

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<v Speaker 5>was like commenting on my IMDb. So for me, I

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<v Speaker 5>was like, oh my god, I'm with this famous guy.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm invisible.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm twenty eight years old.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel so cute and like I'm fucking invisible everywhere

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<v Speaker 5>I go because people are like, can you hold my

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<v Speaker 5>baby while I.

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<v Speaker 3>Take a picture?

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<v Speaker 5>With Jason Biggs, and I have one fan in the

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<v Speaker 5>world and it's the Josekis guy. So I'm like, fuck,

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<v Speaker 5>I want to make myself like perfect for her. I

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<v Speaker 5>want to know everything about her. I want to curate

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<v Speaker 5>my online profile so that she's obsessed as obsessed with

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<v Speaker 5>me and stays obsessed with me. But like when Jason

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<v Speaker 5>I kept dating and she sort of moved on, I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, wait, we need her back, like I need my

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<v Speaker 3>fan back.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's when I the table flipped and I started

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<v Speaker 5>stalking her.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody doesn't know. It doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>But the stocking went on for some period right of time,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it became problematic for Jason because you were

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<v Speaker 2>lying to him about didn't you arrange to meet her?

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<v Speaker 5>And so when I was hiking Running Canyon with her

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<v Speaker 5>behind Jason's back, I was regifting her things of hers

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<v Speaker 5>that I'd find around the house, like as a way

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<v Speaker 5>to like lure her into like a real life friendship.

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<v Speaker 5>I might have set her up on a date with

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<v Speaker 5>my acting coach and then gone on the date with them.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of things happened, right, but you know how

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<v Speaker 3>it ended.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I think you should tell us how so like

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<v Speaker 5>it was because she was my Moby Dick and I

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<v Speaker 5>was a app And guess where it ended?

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<v Speaker 3>Main Street in Nantucket.

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<v Speaker 5>Like is that's the ship, writes itself, Like, how can

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<v Speaker 5>I not as a writer like I am in fucking May,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm on main Street in Nantucket, on those cobblestone streets.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a she is fucking moby and we are face

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<v Speaker 3>to face. It is like made for.

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<v Speaker 1>And what happened?

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<v Speaker 3>Memoir like sitting in my lap, grant for it?

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<v Speaker 2>And this was this was after how many how much

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<v Speaker 2>time of spending with her like the.

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<v Speaker 3>Course of I would say eight years. But it had ended.

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<v Speaker 5>It had ended, but it was just such a f

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<v Speaker 5>the coup de gras, It was just fucking phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 4>It had ended, but you hadn't stopped writing about her.

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<v Speaker 4>She was still a subject for your books. And well

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<v Speaker 4>did she understand? Did she understand she was a subject

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<v Speaker 4>of your books? Or she didn't make the connection? I

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<v Speaker 4>told her necessary.

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<v Speaker 5>I just like it's such great fodder, and like it's

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<v Speaker 5>so fucking funny and random. And to be honest, the

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<v Speaker 5>reason I leaned so hard into it is because of

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<v Speaker 5>the reaction I was getting online my Twitter personality or

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<v Speaker 5>like persona became that of like this crazy wife who's

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<v Speaker 5>obsessed with her husband's ex girlfriend. Unfortunately, all of Jason's

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<v Speaker 5>ex girlfriends thought I was talking about them. So now

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<v Speaker 5>I've burnt a lot of bridges on accident. We were

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<v Speaker 5>friends with many of them, and now they don't speak

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<v Speaker 5>to us because they all thought I was talking about that,

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<v Speaker 5>which she.

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<v Speaker 3>Was a tweet about. It wasn't just like the memoirs.

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<v Speaker 4>There was regular tweets about like like.

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<v Speaker 5>When you write a joke, it's like, it's not necessarily real,

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<v Speaker 5>you're just fucking It can be. It could be based

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<v Speaker 5>on something, it could be based on something a friended.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just a fucking joke. It's not real. But unfortunately

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<v Speaker 5>for me, a lot of people took it at face value.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you feel well?

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, what happened on main Street in Nantucket?

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<v Speaker 2>What was the interest? Didn't speak to me?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh she did.

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<v Speaker 3>Spoke to Jason. My son ran straight into her arms,

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<v Speaker 3>into her arms and said, Mommy, did.

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<v Speaker 1>You say hello?

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<v Speaker 3>I did you try spoke to her sister? I smiled,

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<v Speaker 3>I must thank you. The parents were there. It was

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<v Speaker 3>so bad, It was so bad.

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<v Speaker 5>It was so bad, and now my sister and her

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<v Speaker 5>sister are like really good friends and they go to

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<v Speaker 5>the same school and it's.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right, yes, yes, yes, I heard that. So now

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<v Speaker 2>what have you learned from that lesson? If anything have you?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it a lesson or so?

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<v Speaker 3>I wrote her like a crazy because it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost like you could never ever even not that you

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<v Speaker 2>would have an affair, but like, it's so scared girl.

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<v Speaker 5>And I need to sleep with her and make her

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<v Speaker 5>let me wear the Jason because I'm not competitive, that's

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<v Speaker 5>what would happen. But no, I've written her several Amen's letters,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm just like, listen, I am so sorry, like

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<v Speaker 5>the woman that the girl that I was, is not

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<v Speaker 5>the woman I became. I'm I'm so sorry I did.

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<v Speaker 5>Like I let myself just get so seduced by the

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<v Speaker 5>story of it, and I just didn't want to stop

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<v Speaker 5>because I was addicted to the plot, you know, I

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<v Speaker 5>wanted more.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so interesting because I'm hearing this, I'm listening to this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm thinking about my own personal experience with exes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, from like a young age to my reaction

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<v Speaker 2>to exes as to when I'm older and like now

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<v Speaker 2>in my present day moment, like I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>know anything about exes. I don't care, I'm not interested,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even want to. The less information the better.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be thinking about them. But I

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<v Speaker 2>do remember like dating someone when I was in my twenties,

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<v Speaker 2>and when he went to England for a week, I

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<v Speaker 2>went through everything in his apartment, every photo album, every

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<v Speaker 2>piece of paper, just to find his past that he

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<v Speaker 2>had before he met me. So there was no reason

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<v Speaker 2>for me to have any sense of feelings of invidiousness

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, any of that. But I remember he

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<v Speaker 2>came home from that trip to England and I was

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<v Speaker 2>in a rage that he had even had a pack

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<v Speaker 2>that he had met a girl before we dated, Like

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<v Speaker 2>what was he thinking dating someone who was pretty before

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<v Speaker 2>he met me? You know, like so irrational and so unreasonable,

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<v Speaker 2>And his reaction to my behavior made me realize I

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<v Speaker 2>could never do.

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<v Speaker 3>That day of this.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I know exactly my British boyfriend when I

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<v Speaker 2>was like young, young, yeah, yeah, but I remember being like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just the overwhelming need for more information, like.

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<v Speaker 1>I need more, I need more.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to look and find everything, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's so irrational, right, Like it's so irrational that

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh. Once I saw his reaction, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I can't do that if I want him

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<v Speaker 2>to stay with me.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's the Yeah, it's the need, it's the mine.

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<v Speaker 3>Wasn't jealousy. It was like, I want there is a need.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like there's some overlap.

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<v Speaker 4>Perhaps I don't know, there's that thing you're describing, which

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<v Speaker 4>feels like that sort of youthful naivete in thinking that

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<v Speaker 4>everything needs to be about you and how could particularly

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<v Speaker 4>when it comes the romance and love, Like, how could

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<v Speaker 4>you possibly if there's any sort of indication that you

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<v Speaker 4>ever had anything else going on, Like, it takes away

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<v Speaker 4>from what I have with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I loved that Jason had other things before me. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to know all of.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was probably a turn on for you and

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<v Speaker 2>your sick brain.

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<v Speaker 4>But I feel like you're not able to see that

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<v Speaker 4>there can be different things that can coexist at the

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<v Speaker 4>same time. He can be in love with you, but

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<v Speaker 4>he could also have loved someone else in the past.

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<v Speaker 4>He could be in love with you, but he could

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<v Speaker 4>also go to England for weeks at a time.

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<v Speaker 3>He could. It's those it's giving Chelsea therapy.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So what I'll say about that though, it's the

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<v Speaker 4>idea that the story becomes one or the other person,

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<v Speaker 4>like it belongs to one person or the other. Forget

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<v Speaker 4>about oh it is my ex. It becomes like it's

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<v Speaker 4>her story now, and then it's less about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I pirated his life in his story.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's where And we still get into this to

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<v Speaker 4>this day, not about her necessarily, but more about like,

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<v Speaker 4>whose story is this? You know what I mean, like

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<v Speaker 4>even you know her getting stuff done? You know, a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of weeks ago, it was like I had some

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<v Speaker 4>feelings about.

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<v Speaker 5>It, stuff done, the surgery, my booms lifted, her boobs

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<v Speaker 5>and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>I had feelings about it, not about whether or not

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<v Speaker 4>she should do it necessarily, but just in terms of

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<v Speaker 4>like whether I should share it, about her sharing it,

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<v Speaker 4>about how it affects our kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Just there.

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<v Speaker 4>I had other stuff, and it was we got into

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<v Speaker 4>it because Jenny's like, this is my story, this is

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<v Speaker 4>my story. I'm choosing to do this. It's my body,

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<v Speaker 4>my story, Fuck you other things. And I get that.

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<v Speaker 4>I totally understand the impulse for it to be like

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<v Speaker 4>get your fucking opinion out of my face.

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<v Speaker 3>Here.

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<v Speaker 4>This is what I'm doing and it's my Instagram and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm choosing right. But but and so we had a

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<v Speaker 4>whole therapy session about this where, you know, it was

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<v Speaker 4>interesting because the therapist asked Jenny how it went, and

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<v Speaker 4>then very quickly after said, and Jason, how do you

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<v Speaker 4>feel about this? And I was like, thank you for asking.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually do have some feelings and Jenny was like,

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<v Speaker 4>what the fuck, Like this is my thing. And so

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<v Speaker 4>that's where we will butt heads some times, and it's like, no,

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<v Speaker 4>we can have feelings. I can do something that I

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<v Speaker 4>feel is mine, you know, But I have to remember

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<v Speaker 4>that Jenny can have a reaction to it, she can

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<v Speaker 4>have feelings about it, and that doesn't take away from

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<v Speaker 4>my feelings about it. We just need to be respectful

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<v Speaker 4>and understand that we can each have feelings about it,

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<v Speaker 4>even something that is ostensibly very personal and very like

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<v Speaker 4>this is my shit. Fuck you for having a feeling

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<v Speaker 4>about it. And that's where we get in trouble. That's

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<v Speaker 4>where the competitiveness happens more than any other place.

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<v Speaker 5>But why would I would say just to pat us

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<v Speaker 5>on the back, we are the best in terms of

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<v Speaker 5>Jason's sobriety. That's the one place like I've never been

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<v Speaker 5>like I have feelings about this, I want to talk

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<v Speaker 5>about this, like, I'm not for being so quick codefident.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm in no way enmeshed in his sobriety, whether he's

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<v Speaker 5>sober or not sober or when he was getting sober.

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<v Speaker 5>That was really that has been Jason's journey entirely.

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<v Speaker 3>That's very true. That is true.

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<v Speaker 2>That is true when you bring that up, because I

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<v Speaker 2>agree with that, Like, you never have been like that.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I was never like were you drinking or should

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<v Speaker 3>you drink? Should you not? I don't know why. I

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<v Speaker 3>can't tell you why. But for whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't seem to care about whether or not he

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<v Speaker 2>was going to deal with the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he was gonna deal with it. And if

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to drink. You were kind of fine

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<v Speaker 1>with that too.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, this is your journey, not my journey. No,

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<v Speaker 3>you should absolutely pat yourself on the back. That is

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<v Speaker 3>totally fun.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, I don't know, I don't think I should pat

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<v Speaker 5>myself on the back because honestly, like, it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 5>I tried to do that. It's just right well, whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 5>we don't, that's not been a struggle for us that

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<v Speaker 5>that particular.

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<v Speaker 4>I also think the fact that you weren't aware of it,

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<v Speaker 4>like you told me, right, but even that, like in

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<v Speaker 4>other words, you weren't invested in me getting sober to

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<v Speaker 4>begin with, because my alcoholism might not they totally, but

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<v Speaker 4>you're not even a little bit. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 4>you are to it in a healthy place about it

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<v Speaker 4>like you should be. I think you should be. I'd

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<v Speaker 4>be upset if you weren't.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't worry about you the way that I feel

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<v Speaker 5>like a lot of people who are with the sober

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<v Speaker 5>person maybe like are concerned.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't. I don't see people pouring.

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<v Speaker 5>Drinks and be like, oh God, because you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 5>a drink, you know, somebody can offer him a drink.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't know why, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, no, I hear you. Okay. Well, on that note,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this concludes our session. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you guys should.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have some parting words for couples out there

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<v Speaker 2>or people that are looking for long term relationships? What

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<v Speaker 2>would you say would if you had to give a

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<v Speaker 2>piece of advice to people that were embarking on marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>What would your one piece of advice be for each

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<v Speaker 1>of you to get it?

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<v Speaker 5>I would say, honestly, to be able to listen, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>to really listen and not hear what that person saying

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<v Speaker 5>as about you or a criticism view. When somebody's talking,

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<v Speaker 5>they're talking about themselves, they're not talking about you, and

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<v Speaker 5>that it is so hard to keep your ego and

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<v Speaker 5>yourself out of it, but to be But I think

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<v Speaker 5>like the biggest gift you can give somebody is to

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<v Speaker 5>just listen to them and not personalize it.

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<v Speaker 2>Even when they're telling you you're a piece of shit,

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<v Speaker 2>it's still about them, it's still about them. Still always

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<v Speaker 2>good advice, that's good advice, And that's an unactualized person

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<v Speaker 2>who's usually doing that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, and they're telling you, I feel like shit. I

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<v Speaker 5>feel hopeless, helpless and out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of control, scared or insecure or unsure of the relationship healthy. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>y well, I think in celebration of this time together,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys should either do anal tonight yes, or do

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<v Speaker 2>it this afternoon?

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<v Speaker 3>How about right now?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think this is an appropriate place for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Why there's no pillows right It.

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<v Speaker 1>Will make you feel like you're at home.

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<v Speaker 3>Could be fun for you. I'll fuck it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you guys for being here, Thanks for sharing.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you Chelsea.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you can check out Jenny Mullen substack The

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<v Speaker 2>Best Friend Experience and her new side hustle The Shirts

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<v Speaker 2>Off My Back, where you can buy fabulous vintage clothes.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can also check.

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<v Speaker 2>Out Jenny and Jason co hosting Dinner in a Movie

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<v Speaker 2>on TBS. Okay, So upcoming shows that I have you, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>I will be all over Maine, Charlotte, North Carolina, Charleston,

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<v Speaker 2>South Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm coming to Texas. I'm coming to Saint Louis and Kansas.

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<v Speaker 2>City, and then I will be in Las Vegas performing

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<v Speaker 2>at the Chelsea Theater inside the Cosmopolitan Hotel. My first

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<v Speaker 2>three dates in Vegas are September first, Labor Day weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>and then November two and November thirtieth.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm coming to.

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<v Speaker 2>Brooklyn, New York at the King's Theater on November eighth,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have tickets on sale throughout the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the year. In December, So if you're in a city

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<v Speaker 2>like Philadelphia or Bethlehem or San Diego or New Orleans

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<v Speaker 2>or Omaha, check Chelseahandler dot com for tickets.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, if you'd like advice from Chelsea, shoot us an

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