WEBVTT - Misbehavers

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<v Speaker 1>Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is a super special episode because I am

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<v Speaker 2>at the most amazing home. By the way, can I

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<v Speaker 2>just like rent out when I have money, like a

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<v Speaker 2>corner of your house just to do my podcast weekly?

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<v Speaker 2>Because this is stunning. I'm with my longtime friend Shannon

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<v Speaker 2>and we are here on a new episode of Misspelling.

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<v Speaker 2>We just did your episode. I feel like we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about everything. Is there anything else? I'm just kidding. We

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<v Speaker 2>have so much history, you guys, like we could literally

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<v Speaker 2>do old season of stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean we you know, had four hours in

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<v Speaker 1>a plane and we didn't stop talking. Yeah. No, So

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<v Speaker 1>we just got back from steel Car still sitting gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Easy for you to say, Yeah, we did an autograph

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<v Speaker 2>signing convention. Shannon did it on her birthday, like over

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<v Speaker 2>that weekend, which is very admirable, and we flew home

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<v Speaker 2>on private jet. I like saying it's your private chat

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<v Speaker 2>because it just sounds like.

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<v Speaker 1>He just likes to say it's mine. Awesome, Okay, it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds exier for the story. But it's my best friend

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<v Speaker 1>christ Yeah, it's his. But yeah, you know, you have

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<v Speaker 1>your own pillow, so it's yours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, fifty to fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, sure, as long as I don't have to puy

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<v Speaker 1>for it on fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Great.

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<v Speaker 1>I also didn't make enough money to do that yet.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, no, he's very gracious.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is something only because you said Shannon, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>worked on her birthday weekend. I got there. I flew

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<v Speaker 1>in Friday, which was my birthday. I was never scheduled

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<v Speaker 1>to be at the convention on Friday. Ever. I was

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<v Speaker 1>always scheduled to be there Saturday and Sunday. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was always that way, right, always that way. But I

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<v Speaker 1>got there Saturday, and it wasn't just one fan, it

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<v Speaker 1>was everybody in my line was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>we came yesterday because you were supposed to be here yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>And it just reminded me of being in my early

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<v Speaker 1>twenties and being blamed by other people for freaking everything yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And I sat there being like, oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want these people to think that I'm just canceling

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<v Speaker 1>haphazardly and I don't care about their time and their

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<v Speaker 1>money wasted, which is why I said something in the

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<v Speaker 1>panel where I was like, I was never scheduled to

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<v Speaker 1>be here on Friday, because I just thought, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going down this path because I'm doing a nine h

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<v Speaker 1>two zero convention. I'm not going down this path. Where

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, I started getting blamed again for everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, absolutely not this. I was never supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be here. But it's funny how moments like that

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<v Speaker 1>trigger you back into another time period.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you regress, yes to that moment. Yeah wow, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I don't even know what to say, Like that

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<v Speaker 2>is something and.

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<v Speaker 1>You will shoulder that forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that blame for things that happened didn't happen. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just one of those things that it's hard not to

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<v Speaker 2>let it define you. But it's like that thing. They're like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I've moved past that, but what do you do? Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's one of those things like I know you speak out,

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<v Speaker 2>but like a lot of times when people blame me

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<v Speaker 2>for stuff, like I don't even want to say anything.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like do comment? Do you not comment? Because

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter. They're going to think what they think anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there are some things that you have to

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<v Speaker 1>clear up, okay, because I think they're so incredibly personal.

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<v Speaker 1>My divorce, for instance, like I had to clear up

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<v Speaker 1>some of that stuff because it just felt it felt

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<v Speaker 1>very wrong to me, you know. And I started a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast called Let's Be Clear because they do want to

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<v Speaker 1>be clear, because my entire purpose of doing this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>is to relive a lot of my life and take

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<v Speaker 1>responsibility and accountability for all the things that I did wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>which is plenty right, like I messed up a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>but also to go, I didn't do this, this, this, this,

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<v Speaker 1>and this, and as a woman back then, what I

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<v Speaker 1>was doing back then would have been applauded today.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct.

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<v Speaker 1>What's really interesting is there's a agent slash. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>he's now a manager who is married to someone blah

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah. Anyway, he wrote in her comment section. I

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<v Speaker 1>almost like put it on my Instagram just to show

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<v Speaker 1>that even though we've made great strides in this business,

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<v Speaker 1>there are still people like this guy who feel like

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<v Speaker 1>they can bully and harass a woman publicly and refer

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<v Speaker 1>to things that A he doesn't know about. B He

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't there and there's zero proof, right, Like he was like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>she's the one who you know got fired from Nineers. No,

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<v Speaker 1>she's the one who's had problems with everybody. She's the

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<v Speaker 1>one who's done this, Like he listed a whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>and basically was trying to call me a liar. And

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<v Speaker 1>I read the comment and I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought we had rooted out all of you men

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<v Speaker 1>talking about I know, but I thought we'd rooted men

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<v Speaker 1>out like that in the business. But I guess we

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<v Speaker 1>still have some that we need to yeah, haul out

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<v Speaker 1>of there.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, especially back then, Yeah, you couldn't say

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<v Speaker 2>anything because there was no platform to say anything, no platform,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were schooled that, you know, you don't make

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<v Speaker 2>a comment. Everything goes through a publicist, and we're almost

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<v Speaker 2>like coached how to speak. And like I look at

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<v Speaker 2>interviews from nine or two to zero and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not even my voice, Like, oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 2>had a different voice. I was being so not authentically

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<v Speaker 2>me because I was you know, there's so many people

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<v Speaker 2>that are like you just say this, this is what's happening,

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<v Speaker 2>and you go, okay, okay, okay, And so how do

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<v Speaker 2>you stand up for yourself publicly and get to people

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<v Speaker 2>and reach them. I mean, now we are lucky because

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<v Speaker 2>we can just say what we want and we control

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<v Speaker 2>to a certain degree our own narrative because we have

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<v Speaker 2>our own platforms.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom was like, you got to watch this last night,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was on YouTube me in an interview with

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<v Speaker 1>our Cineo hall and on nine into and oh and

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<v Speaker 1>I we.

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<v Speaker 2>Loved him er the yate we always saw there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that's right my voice. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>try to imitate my voice. Back then, it was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think that maybe it's just that I

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<v Speaker 1>like it was a baby voice. Yes, And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if if I put that voice on for those

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<v Speaker 1>interviews or if it was just before I became a smoker.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, not that I smoke anymore obviously, but no,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, preparation, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Like finding your own voice. It stood for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we all have a different voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Jason's voice is different back then. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't you think Ian's voice is the same. Yep, I

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<v Speaker 1>think Gabs is the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Jen's kind of sounds the same. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Brian obviously changed throughout the show because he went through puberty.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally puberty on the show. For him, We love him

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<v Speaker 2>only he could go through puberty on the show and

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<v Speaker 2>look good, like sound good.

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<v Speaker 1>You were obsessed with him, I know, wait, okay, so.

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<v Speaker 2>We've shared a lot of things over the years. I

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<v Speaker 2>did not know until I listened to your podcast that

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<v Speaker 2>you hooked up with Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, what yeah yeah, way later, like maybe

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<v Speaker 1>never mind, maybe I was doing Charmed. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so much later and I was living at

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<v Speaker 1>the Marmott House. But it was really short lived. It

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<v Speaker 1>was short and it wasn't like it's like we tried

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<v Speaker 1>something and then we just went and yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna work. Like the kissing didn't even make sense. Like

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<v Speaker 1>we were like, this is not I.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't even imagine you guys kissing.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, I can't imagine it now either, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's why I didn't go anywhere, because it was awkward.

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<v Speaker 1>It was super awkward. We were like, this is not

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, of you guys would have been super hot together,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just yeah, it was so like there was

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<v Speaker 1>no fireworks because we were so close and we hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>known each other since we were like little kids essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>so there was just no And I love Brian, He's

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite humans, but there was no spark.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, So we've shared even more than I thought. There

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<v Speaker 2>you go.

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<v Speaker 1>We shared Brian Saliva. It's not that bad. So wait.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were just looking at photos because I'm clearing

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<v Speaker 2>out my storage and found all these crazy photos from

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<v Speaker 2>our trips and we used to travel a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh my god, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>So my seventeen year old was looking at these and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, Shan, it's hot. And I was like, whoa,

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<v Speaker 2>that's so crazy because we were like his age. Then yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I found a picture in Maui, so you got engaged.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even remember getting engaged, now we did. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I blocked that out.

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<v Speaker 2>I was here with the bad boyfriend. Oh yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>there is also a picture of oh my god, wait

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<v Speaker 2>for it, the bird.

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<v Speaker 1>The bird.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's me, here's the bad boyfriend, here's Shan, and

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<v Speaker 2>here's Charlie Bird. It was a female, the collectest parrot

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<v Speaker 2>that they allowed you those days to buy on the

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<v Speaker 2>street in Lahina and take home with you right like

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<v Speaker 2>on the plane, like it was fine, like something crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>What happened to Charlie Bird? Well, the bad boyfriend went

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<v Speaker 2>on to I was working every day and there are

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of work. Didn't know, it's like a small child.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would come home home and every night when

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<v Speaker 2>I would get home, I'd be like Charlie Bird and

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<v Speaker 2>she would have my voice, and she was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Charlie Bird.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'd go to the cage and give her kisses.

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<v Speaker 2>Then i'd go like settle down from the day from

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<v Speaker 2>set and take her out. This one night I got

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<v Speaker 2>home and she was really fired up. I learned later

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<v Speaker 2>that he was a smoker and he would smoke and

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<v Speaker 2>blow it on her. Oh my, And I didn't know this,

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<v Speaker 2>so he was like torturing this poor bird.

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<v Speaker 1>Did she get cancer? Like what happened with her in Fysima?

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<v Speaker 2>Like? No, she got pissed. And so when I walked in.

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<v Speaker 1>I walked in and I was like.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what had happened that day.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, hi, Charlie Bird.

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<v Speaker 2>And she would always come up to the cage and

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<v Speaker 2>she gave me a little kisses. She bit me and

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<v Speaker 2>she bit through my nose. It was like eight stitches,

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<v Speaker 2>but the nose was like split open, and she was

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<v Speaker 2>screaming attached to my nose through the cage. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like in and I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>what's going to happen? So I was like, you're okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's okay, hey, Charlie Bird. So she finally let go

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<v Speaker 2>and I just remember, what's wet?

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to the bathroom, looked in the mirror, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just couldn't. I didn't even know if I had

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<v Speaker 2>a nose. It was like blood everywhere, which is so

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<v Speaker 2>ironic because you know, my nose was always my thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I was always like, oh, I hate my nose, got

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<v Speaker 2>a nose job, like whatever, and then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>bit off my nose. I'm like perfect. So anyway, I

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<v Speaker 2>called and I was like, oh, I'm bleeding. The bird

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<v Speaker 2>bit my nose. Remember he used to go casinos all

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<v Speaker 2>the time with my money. Yes, he was at the

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<v Speaker 2>Commerce casino and yeah. He was like I'm playing poker.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't come get you. You're gonna have to call

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<v Speaker 2>your parents. And I was like, oh my god, my

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<v Speaker 2>parents hate him, like they're gonna fault him and be

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<v Speaker 2>like why isn't your live in boyfriend take you to

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<v Speaker 2>the er. But cool, I was like, yeah, great, hope

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<v Speaker 2>you win, babe, because that's my money you're gambling. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I called my mom and she called a plastic surgeon

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<v Speaker 2>and we went. I got sewed up, but I have

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<v Speaker 2>a scar forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you get rid of Charlie Bird?

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<v Speaker 2>So my mom's like, you have to get rid of

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<v Speaker 2>the bird. I'm like, no, you have to will these

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<v Speaker 2>birds like they live forever. So do you remember Nick

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<v Speaker 2>SCILATCHI make up artist. Yeah, he took it because he

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<v Speaker 2>and his wife had a farm, and he took Charlie.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's the story of I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if this ever happened to when you were younger, but

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<v Speaker 1>when you know your dog like somehow mysteriously is no

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<v Speaker 1>longer around and your parents are like, oh no, like

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<v Speaker 1>so he was just he needed more space to run.

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<v Speaker 1>So we you know, he's now in a big farm.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's Charlie bird where it's like he

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<v Speaker 1>went to a farm.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. No, Charlie actually went to Nick's house because the

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<v Speaker 2>cage went there and everything. Do they still have Charlie?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I stopped asking because they do live a really long

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<v Speaker 1>eighty years. Yeah, that bird and they're smart.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she knows what she did.

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<v Speaker 1>She was pissed. Well, yeah, she probably was like do

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<v Speaker 1>you know what you have done? Do you know me

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<v Speaker 1>with this?

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<v Speaker 2>And I had no idea, right, So I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>jog your memory now, okay, please do So we were

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<v Speaker 2>in Maui and it was me and you and and

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<v Speaker 2>you guys got engaged. He took you one day, we

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<v Speaker 2>did everything together. One day, he took you to the waterfall.

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<v Speaker 1>He proposed to you.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys came back and you had a beautiful ring.

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<v Speaker 2>You were super excited. We all celebrated, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what happened, but you guys got into a

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<v Speaker 2>fight about something and he did something horrible as usual,

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<v Speaker 2>and the next day he went some dude thing. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what would they have done. Who knows. Something

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<v Speaker 2>that's drinking, probably something we didn't go. And you were

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<v Speaker 2>so pissed that you were like, okay. We went down

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<v Speaker 2>to the store in the hotel and a little boutique,

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<v Speaker 2>and you were like, what's the most expensive thing in

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<v Speaker 2>this store? Because his credit card was down for the

0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.520
<v Speaker 2>room for the room, and there was a locked case

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<v Speaker 2>of like glass animals. When you picked this dolphin, it

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<v Speaker 2>had uplighting in this shelf and it was this huge time.

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<v Speaker 1>I always love dolphins.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like twelve inch really dolphin, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>ginormous and gorgeous and we bought it and it was

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<v Speaker 2>like thirty five hundred dollars and we went upstairs and

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<v Speaker 2>they came back. We didn't think they were coming back yet,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was back, and all I know is I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, are you okay? And You're like, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to go talk to him, and you went and we

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<v Speaker 2>were next door, and I was just like cannicked with

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<v Speaker 2>like the glass against the wall, like she okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening, And yeah, you something happened. You proceed to

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<v Speaker 2>smash that crystal dolphin all over.

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<v Speaker 1>That explains why I don't have it.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't come back with it.

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<v Speaker 1>We did not come back with it, but we came

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<v Speaker 1>back with Charlie Bird.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm a hoarder. So I really wanted that dolphin

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<v Speaker 2>to come back with us.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think that there are some things that

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<v Speaker 1>I block out, and that was probably one of them,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe it just didn't seem as significant to me

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<v Speaker 1>to like keep it stored in my memory. I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I listen, I look back at like all of my

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<v Speaker 1>engagements and except for like one or two, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pretty sure that I mean, I know I said yes

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, but I think it was very shortly

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<v Speaker 1>after I said yes that I always regretted it, and

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes I didn't want to say yes, but I felt

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<v Speaker 1>really bad saying no to someone when they were down

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<v Speaker 1>on one knee, so I'd say yes, knowing I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to break up with them later. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that was the case in that relationship too, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I just knew it wasn't going to be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my like my person forever. But you know, we had

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<v Speaker 1>this conversation on the plane also about about men and

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<v Speaker 1>why you stay in relationships sometimes like you. I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>you in a bunch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes you have, and all these years later, it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>for me to think of you, who, in my mind

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<v Speaker 2>is so strong and can fight anything and go through anything,

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<v Speaker 2>and such a warrior like even tolerate men treating you

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<v Speaker 2>a certain way. And I guess that was always part

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<v Speaker 2>of our bond, right is that was the you know?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, business wise, you're as savvy as they come,

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't allow yourself to be treated you know,

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<v Speaker 2>unfairly or anyone around you that you care about, But

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to personal relationships, you crumble.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair, fair, very fair. I think I've suffered from a

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<v Speaker 1>fear of being alone so much that I'll get into

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<v Speaker 1>relationship and I stay for a long time, and then

0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:30.280
<v Speaker 1>it becomes about being too comfortable, or in some cases

0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:36.560
<v Speaker 1>like yours, in your marriage, perhaps it becomes more of

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<v Speaker 1>if somebody tells you that your has been you're washed up,

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<v Speaker 1>you're ugly, you're this, you're that enough times enough times,

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<v Speaker 1>and God knows this has happened to me, you start

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<v Speaker 1>believing it, and then you end up having no confidence

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<v Speaker 1>and that fear really takes hold where it's what am

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<v Speaker 1>I gonna do? I'm going to leave them and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm all of these awful things that this person is

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<v Speaker 1>saying that I am. Who's ever going to want to

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<v Speaker 1>be with me? I think that that always played a

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<v Speaker 1>part in my life, and I think that it's played

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<v Speaker 1>a part in yours as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I've definitely had that in past relationships. I do have

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<v Speaker 2>to say Dean never did that part, Like he never

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<v Speaker 2>He always made me feel like I was beautiful and

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<v Speaker 2>talented that I really get him.

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<v Speaker 1>Dean in Canada when we were doing a reboot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but yeah, you guys got along.

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<v Speaker 1>We did get along.

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<v Speaker 2>But definitely everything you're saying, you know, in kind of

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<v Speaker 2>relationships when we're young to fine us. We hang on

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<v Speaker 2>to them and they stick with us. It's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of them. But everything you're saying, you know that,

0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.040
<v Speaker 2>you know constantly he would tell me you're so ugly?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you? No one's ever going to want to

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<v Speaker 2>be with you. You can't act, you can't. It was horrible

0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.680
<v Speaker 2>and granted, look at me. I'm like, you know, he's

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<v Speaker 2>been sober for twenty five years and he's a different

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<v Speaker 2>person now. They tell you we talk on DM on Instagram. No,

0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:11.720
<v Speaker 2>he has a baby. Now that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, listen, people, people can grow, they can change,

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<v Speaker 1>they can evolve. Can they change some people? They can

0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:21.159
<v Speaker 1>grow some people. Yeah, I don't know about the changing.

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<v Speaker 1>Attiger doesn't change the stripes, right, That's what my mom

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<v Speaker 1>has always said to me, And I wish i'd listen now.

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<v Speaker 2>They just turned gray eventually.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also think cheating, somebody cheating on you can

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<v Speaker 1>impact the way that you feel about yourself as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, and I've I'm trying to think every guy

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<v Speaker 2>I've been with has cheated on me, except my first husband,

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<v Speaker 2>who was super nice.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, right, so you started a pattern at a

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<v Speaker 1>young age of accepting sort of that behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe, yes, I feel the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>Not so much with the cheating. No, I always had

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<v Speaker 1>a really really hard line in the sand about cheating.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I understand that, but setting a tone of acceptance.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I settled for less than what I deserved

0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:19.520
<v Speaker 1>often except for like Rob for instance, was awesome, great

0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:23.560
<v Speaker 1>away friends and interestingly enough like my second husband that

0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:27.040
<v Speaker 1>everybody probably thinks I should have a problem with. I

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<v Speaker 1>adore like we're Who's Rick and we're really good friends.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also fifteen years sober. Yeah, I like him, So

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that's what I'm saying. People can change, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>think that obviously, you know, drugs can bring out the

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<v Speaker 1>worst any human being, and any addiction, the gambling addiction

0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.320
<v Speaker 1>that Nic had or any of that can really bring

0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.359
<v Speaker 1>out the worst. But I see a huge I mean,

0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.080
<v Speaker 1>I think Rick always had like a heart of gold,

0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.359
<v Speaker 1>and he was you know, never abusive or any of that.

0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:03.320
<v Speaker 1>He was just you know, into drugs. But I from

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<v Speaker 1>when I was married to him to what I experienced

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<v Speaker 1>now in our friendship with him, he has changed. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think people can change, but they don't all they

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<v Speaker 1>can't often change to the degree that you would need

0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:25.359
<v Speaker 1>them to change.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think once a cheater, always a cheater. I

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<v Speaker 1>just think it's a mentality. I think it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe I'm wrong, and I'm definitely no expert, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I I'm a cheater too then, because that's when Deane

0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.720
<v Speaker 2>and I met. I was married, he was married, so I.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, And yet you don't cheat well PbD, Oh

0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:53.119
<v Speaker 1>you mean in my eighteen year marriage crowd, But and

0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.399
<v Speaker 1>you didn't in your previous relationships, not that I remember.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, you're right, so you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know I think that that was I don't really know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, out of one m clarify the guy lost my

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<v Speaker 2>virginity to Ryan? Remember him?

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<v Speaker 1>M hm?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I've told this story before. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember the Betsy Johnson dress that you wore in our

0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:21.600
<v Speaker 2>biggest cast photo? Is black floral? And you remember?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Oh, and my bangs are super short. I hate

0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:28.840
<v Speaker 1>that photo and it just keeps.

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<v Speaker 2>Circulating and it's never going to stop, and it's never

0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.679
<v Speaker 2>gonna stop. Nope, nope. But you guys, I mean we

0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:39.119
<v Speaker 2>used to share clothes everything, like you know, so do.

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<v Speaker 1>You tell me you lost your virginity in my dress?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that regard.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I'm going to say that you wore the

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<v Speaker 2>dress I lost my virginity in.

0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:50.520
<v Speaker 1>I told you, what do you mean? No, no, no, no, no no.

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<v Speaker 2>I literally said, there's a blood stained in the back. Yeah,

0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:55.080
<v Speaker 2>and you were like.

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<v Speaker 1>You were talking about that black dress with the big

0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:03.280
<v Speaker 1>red roses on it that had it crossed in the back. Who.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved that dress. It was cleaned though that I

0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:08.879
<v Speaker 1>just don't think they got that stain out or something.

0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes, bloodstains, but it was yeah, yeah, that's what you said.

0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:16.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we were going somewhere and I didn't have a

0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:19.320
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have anything to wear, so it borrowed that dress.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved that dress. And then I got one exactly

0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:23.280
<v Speaker 1>like it, but all black.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, but this takes me back.

0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:29.240
<v Speaker 1>But that was like the.

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<v Speaker 2>First guy I was with, and he was great, and

0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:35.720
<v Speaker 2>to be honest, I cheated on him with Brian.

0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:37.440
<v Speaker 1>That's how we.

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<v Speaker 2>Broke up because I fell head over heels in love

0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:42.480
<v Speaker 2>with Brian Green and like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, this is really interesting. So when you cheated

0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:52.359
<v Speaker 1>on him with Brian the first time, did you immediately

0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 1>end it with Ryan? I mean, first off, can you

0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:56.840
<v Speaker 1>confuse yourself more Ryan and Brian.

0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:00.000
<v Speaker 2>No, but it's the running theme in my life.

0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:03.479
<v Speaker 1>Or did you carry on and on a thing with

0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Brian and eventually cut it off with Ryan?

0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:08.240
<v Speaker 2>No, I broke up with Brian.

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like immediately.

0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:13.360
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't immediate like there was here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I don't dude, this is real talk now, kit,

0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:21.480
<v Speaker 1>But here's here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I always say, like, Brian with a bee was the

0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:29.119
<v Speaker 2>first love of my life. But I was young and

0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:31.879
<v Speaker 2>I was caught up in it, and I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>do you feel like I was really in love with

0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:36.040
<v Speaker 2>Brian or it was.

0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Like No, I think it was like teenage obsession, like infatuation. Yes, okay,

0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:43.679
<v Speaker 1>that helps me, but also.

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Navigate my journey because all I know is going back

0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:48.760
<v Speaker 2>to then and it's like, okay, I was with this guy,

0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:52.679
<v Speaker 2>like I didn't lose my virginity till I was over eighteen, like,

0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:56.959
<v Speaker 2>so it's not like I haphazardly slept with someone like

0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:59.639
<v Speaker 2>this guy I met, I thought he was the one,

0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:01.960
<v Speaker 2>and and then all of a sudden, you know, there's

0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Brian and the pilot and he would like make fun

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:10.920
<v Speaker 2>of me, and that always like from the beginning, I like, guys,

0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:14.920
<v Speaker 2>that Brian was always nice to me was like pulling

0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:19.159
<v Speaker 2>your pigtails, like giving me. He still gives me the gears, Yes,

0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:20.640
<v Speaker 2>and I still get riled up.

0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:22.200
<v Speaker 1>Of course, it's.

0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Been thirty years. We're just friends, you know, I love

0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:28.240
<v Speaker 2>his fiance, like, it's not that, but if he says

0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 2>something to me, I get so flustered and riled up,

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:33.840
<v Speaker 2>and it takes me right back to being my like

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:36.000
<v Speaker 2>eighteen year old self and being like, oh my.

0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:39.639
<v Speaker 1>So I definitely think it was infatuation. I think it

0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 1>was also like the sexiness of the moment, right you're

0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:46.440
<v Speaker 1>talking about being on a show. All of this stuff

0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:51.439
<v Speaker 1>is happening. We're young going out having these experiences. You know,

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:55.199
<v Speaker 1>Brian's always had like some swagger. And then it was

0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:59.920
<v Speaker 1>also we all hung out so much that I think

0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 1>you couldn't help but be infatuated and.

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:05.639
<v Speaker 2>Me, Yeah, I couldn't go back to the manor and

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:06.400
<v Speaker 2>hook up with him.

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:08.480
<v Speaker 1>So where did I my dohini house?

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Always your house?

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, always my house? Yeah. So okay, so interesting because

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about now cheating and men and relationships and

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:21.320
<v Speaker 1>what that feels like to us.

0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:23.159
<v Speaker 2>So what does that make you feel like? As my

0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 2>friend hearing me say, I've never thought about it this way.

0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 2>I've never talked to anyone, and like, no, I can't

0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:32.119
<v Speaker 2>describe the way I felt or the relationship with Brian,

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:34.120
<v Speaker 2>because no one besides you would understand.

0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:37.119
<v Speaker 1>I think you were eighteen years old. So when I

0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:40.159
<v Speaker 1>say a tiger doesn't change it stripes, they may, I

0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 1>have no idea. Maybe maybe men and women who now

0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:46.600
<v Speaker 1>can I have spots? I hate stripes, spots. A lever

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:51.200
<v Speaker 1>doesn't change its spots. But I think that there are

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 1>certain things you have to give yourself grace on, or

0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:58.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, your boyfriend at that time when you're eighteen, nineteen,

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:02.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, I'm not quite sure. I know that

0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 1>you're not a fully developed human being, as we talked

0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:08.359
<v Speaker 1>about on my podcast, and you know, you're you're learning

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:11.920
<v Speaker 1>your judgment, you're learning sort of what's right and wrong,

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:15.680
<v Speaker 1>but you're also caught up in all of these feelings

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 1>and emotions, and you've got hormone changes happening, and there's.

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:19.960
<v Speaker 2>All of this stuff.

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if I would say you sleeping

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:29.040
<v Speaker 1>with Brian while with Ryan when you're eighteen years old

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 1>makes you a serial cheater that.

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna say killer for a second. I got so

0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:36.160
<v Speaker 2>scared already. Killer.

0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Serial cheaters are people who do it in every relationship,

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:44.199
<v Speaker 1>and they don't just cheat on you with one person

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 1>multiple they do it with multiple where like literally later

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:51.639
<v Speaker 1>you could be separated, you could be divorced, could be

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 1>a month later, it could be ten years later, and

0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:56.360
<v Speaker 1>you're getting emails and phone calls from girls being like, oh,

0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was with him at this year and

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 1>I was with him at that year, and you're like, oh, like,

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:05.679
<v Speaker 1>was anything true? So yeah, those people, to me are

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:09.639
<v Speaker 1>people that will never change. Okay, But I don't know.

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Our audience will probably let us know if I'm giving

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:15.199
<v Speaker 1>you too many allowances here because i'm your friend. But

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I am. I think I am very

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:23.399
<v Speaker 1>clear on the fact that when you're eighteen years old, Sure,

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 1>would it have been nice for you to say to Ryan,

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I can be with you anymore because

0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 1>I have a crush on somebody else. If something happens,

0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:32.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to be able to stop it. Sure,

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 1>but you weren't even fully developed enough to realize that

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 1>you should have that conversation. Your first relationship losing your

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 1>virginity and then having what feels like the love of

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 1>your life right in front of your eyes. That's hard.

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean I often think about, like, especially like rewatching

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 2>nine O two and zero now, like what was happening

0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 2>in our personal lives? Did that dictate what happened with

0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 2>the characters? And if you go back, it's like, wait,

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 2>did they put Donna and David together? Because my dad

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 2>knew that, like Brian and I and I was like,

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, briann't. Like I mean, obviously it took

0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 2>on a life of its own, but yeah, if you

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 2>really think about it, why would Donna and David initially

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 2>have been paired together? It was odd?

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what happened to your two characters? Like, did you

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 1>guys get married at the end?

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 2>Yep?

0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Did you really?

0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I invited you, you didn't come. The invitation to Brenda

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 2>got lost in the mail to the UK somewhere.

0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 1>That's really interesting. I don't know what happened with anyone.

0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And while we were filming the wedding episode, because

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Brian and I we read the script and by then

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 2>he and I were like a linked force. We were like,

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:45.160
<v Speaker 2>which is funny, Like the two like meek ones in

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 2>the beginning didn't have a voice, were the youngest ones.

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:53.040
<v Speaker 2>By the tenth season, we were like not running it,

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 2>but we.

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:56.200
<v Speaker 1>You still had the passion for it.

0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 2>We did. We took pride and we were willing to

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 2>step up and and jump in where I feel like,

0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, a.

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Lot of people not it wanted more time off.

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Not nine o two one zero, But when you're on

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 2>a show for a long time, you kind of start

0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 2>getting comfortable phoning it in. Like and Brian and I

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 2>were always very you know, we were producers at heart.

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:18.760
<v Speaker 2>We still are so like we were like no, no, no.

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 2>So we bonded over that actually, and it was nice

0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 2>to see us come together not just as friends, co

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 2>stars and love interests on the show, you know, crushes.

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm always hesitant because Brian sees it different. We've never

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:32.360
<v Speaker 2>talked about it, Like when we did BH and O

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Trow and they were writing it in about Donna and

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 2>David Tory and Brian. You know, the writers were like, yeah,

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, Brian sees it difference. Like you were like,

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, you were so in love with him,

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:45.959
<v Speaker 2>and he was like, huh, we were just friends, Like

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, Oh, that's a boy and a

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:49.280
<v Speaker 2>girl at that's eighteen.

0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Bullshit.

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 2>I've never asked him.

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to call it bullshit on that. Brian knew

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 1>how you felt about him for sure, like he one

0:30:56.640 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 1>hundred percent did. Yeah, But I think I think I

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:04.239
<v Speaker 1>would imagine and I haven't actually had this conversation with him,

0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 1>but I would imagine that that is also a very

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:11.959
<v Speaker 1>difficult position for him to be in because again, sorry,

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 1>producer's daughter, right, working together.

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 2>I was always a running thing for me, Like guys

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:23.480
<v Speaker 2>on a show, like guest stars, you know, they would

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 2>flirt with you and you'd be like, Oh, they're cute

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 2>or nice. And we work constantly, you don't meet other people,

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 2>so you'd be like, oh, are they going to take

0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 2>me out? And that didn't happen because it's like, oh, it's.

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Producer's daughter dad show, and not just the producer's daughter

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 1>but Aaron Spelling correct, like, you know, one of the

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 1>most important, powerful, influential producers of that time period ever.

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 1>So I wouldn't have dated you, and yet I did

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 1>essentially date you by just we were best friends and

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:56.720
<v Speaker 1>not caring that your dad would get mad at me

0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:59.960
<v Speaker 1>that you were getting home super late. But now, for god,

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:01.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that's extremely hard.

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 2>And how girls like when like we're out when we're

0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 2>young and you get drunk and ad guys are like

0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 2>watching you and so you make out. I think you

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 2>were my first friend and we ever did that? Yeah,

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 2>like made out for like guys like, oh look right, yeah,

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Like we'd be out drinking and they'd be like, oh,

0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:18.720
<v Speaker 2>look at the two hot girls from rounds now and

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 2>be like, oh, let's show them something.

0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Let's show let's let's let's give it.

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 2>And then we do and they'd all be like what

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 2>and then we'd be like, okay, another rounds cool, like

0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 2>nothing ever happened. I was circling back.

0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 1>To I don't even think there was ever tongue exchange,

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Like it was like pretty a flascid kiss. But but

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 1>but no, we made it was good guys would Yeah,

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 1>it's like the TV kiss Now, you're a good kisser now.

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 2>But circling back to Brian and I so like always

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 2>comes back with Brian. Sorry story in my life anyway.

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:54.240
<v Speaker 2>We love you, Sharana, I love Sharna, Oh my god,

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 2>nothing about that, like yeah, but during the wedding episode,

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 2>we got our vows and we were like, oh, we

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 2>know these characters so well at this point and this

0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:08.000
<v Speaker 2>is very personal. The fans have been on this journey,

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 2>We've been on this journey. And we ended up rewriting

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:17.240
<v Speaker 2>them and wrote our own vows to each other. And

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 2>when we went for a rehearsal and the whole big

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:23.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, mastershot, we read the script at one so

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 2>that it was real, and then we on camera read

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 2>the ones we wrote to each other, so that was

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.280
<v Speaker 2>all real. But at the end of the filming the

0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:34.640
<v Speaker 2>wedding episode, I remember turning to Jen at one point

0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 2>and I said, Then she goes, what and I go

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm in love with Brian again. And She's like, no, no,

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:43.000
<v Speaker 2>not doing this again. It's been ten years. We've come

0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 2>so far. Not doing this again.

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Thank you Ginny for cutting that one off.

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I was like, oh, the lines just got

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 2>so blurred. And then I have never and Brian and

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 2>I you know how close friend and I are and

0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:58.480
<v Speaker 2>I tell him everything, like I'll text him and like

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:00.720
<v Speaker 2>we're brother and sister and like best and so close

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 2>that we can have that connection. Like what was this

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 2>the reason? Maybe the you know your relationship didn't work

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 2>because of this, and I'm like, no, no, no, And I'm

0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:11.280
<v Speaker 2>able to talk about things that you know, I wouldn't

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:15.319
<v Speaker 2>be able to with him years ago. Anyway, recently we

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 2>were talking about my situation and being in love and

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:21.719
<v Speaker 2>being crushed and being hurt and moving on and now

0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:25.120
<v Speaker 2>being single and the next chapter of my life. And

0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:30.239
<v Speaker 2>he's been so great and such a champion, and you know,

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:34.160
<v Speaker 2>at times he gives me such inspiring, you know, words

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 2>of you can do it professionally and personally. And we

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:42.879
<v Speaker 2>made some commentary and I was saying, like, no, I

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:45.600
<v Speaker 2>was in love. I don't know, maybe I wasn't in love.

0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure. No one's broken in my heart since you.

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 2>And there was like pause, pause, and I was like,

0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:53.879
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, this is the first time ife said

0:34:53.880 --> 0:35:01.400
<v Speaker 2>this to him in thirty years.