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Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is a super special episode because I am

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Speaker 2: at the most amazing home. By the way, can I

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Speaker 2: just like rent out when I have money, like a

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Speaker 2: corner of your house just to do my podcast weekly?

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Speaker 2: Because this is stunning. I'm with my longtime friend Shannon

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Speaker 2: and we are here on a new episode of Misspelling.

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Speaker 2: We just did your episode. I feel like we talked

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Speaker 2: about everything. Is there anything else? I'm just kidding. We

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Speaker 2: have so much history, you guys, like we could literally

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Speaker 2: do old season of stories.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we you know, had four hours in

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Speaker 1: a plane and we didn't stop talking. Yeah. No, So

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Speaker 1: we just got back from steel Car still sitting gone.

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Speaker 2: Easy for you to say, Yeah, we did an autograph

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Speaker 2: signing convention. Shannon did it on her birthday, like over

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Speaker 2: that weekend, which is very admirable, and we flew home

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Speaker 2: on private jet. I like saying it's your private chat

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Speaker 2: because it just sounds like.

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Speaker 1: He just likes to say it's mine. Awesome, Okay, it

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Speaker 1: sounds exier for the story. But it's my best friend

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Speaker 1: christ Yeah, it's his. But yeah, you know, you have

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Speaker 1: your own pillow, so it's yours.

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Speaker 2: Yes, fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sure, as long as I don't have to puy

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Speaker 1: for it on fine.

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Speaker 2: Great.

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Speaker 1: I also didn't make enough money to do that yet.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, no, he's very gracious.

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Speaker 2: By the way.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is something only because you said Shannon, you know,

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Speaker 1: worked on her birthday weekend. I got there. I flew

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Speaker 1: in Friday, which was my birthday. I was never scheduled

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Speaker 1: to be at the convention on Friday. Ever. I was

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Speaker 1: always scheduled to be there Saturday and Sunday. So it

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Speaker 1: was always that way, right, always that way. But I

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Speaker 1: got there Saturday, and it wasn't just one fan, it

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Speaker 1: was everybody in my line was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: we came yesterday because you were supposed to be here yesterday.

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Speaker 1: And it just reminded me of being in my early

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Speaker 1: twenties and being blamed by other people for freaking everything yes,

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Speaker 1: And I sat there being like, oh my god, I

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Speaker 1: don't want these people to think that I'm just canceling

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Speaker 1: haphazardly and I don't care about their time and their

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Speaker 1: money wasted, which is why I said something in the

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Speaker 1: panel where I was like, I was never scheduled to

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Speaker 1: be here on Friday, because I just thought, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going down this path because I'm doing a nine h

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Speaker 1: two zero convention. I'm not going down this path. Where

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I started getting blamed again for everything.

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Speaker 1: I was like, absolutely not this. I was never supposed

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Speaker 1: to be here. But it's funny how moments like that

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Speaker 1: trigger you back into another time period.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you regress, yes to that moment. Yeah wow, I

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Speaker 2: mean I don't even know what to say, Like that

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Speaker 2: is something and.

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Speaker 1: You will shoulder that forever.

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Speaker 2: Like that blame for things that happened didn't happen. It's

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Speaker 2: just one of those things that it's hard not to

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Speaker 2: let it define you. But it's like that thing. They're like, no,

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Speaker 2: I've moved past that, but what do you do? Like

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Speaker 2: it's one of those things like I know you speak out,

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Speaker 2: but like a lot of times when people blame me

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Speaker 2: for stuff, like I don't even want to say anything.

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Speaker 2: It's just like do comment? Do you not comment? Because

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. They're going to think what they think anyway.

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Speaker 1: I think there are some things that you have to

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Speaker 1: clear up, okay, because I think they're so incredibly personal.

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Speaker 1: My divorce, for instance, like I had to clear up

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Speaker 1: some of that stuff because it just felt it felt

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Speaker 1: very wrong to me, you know. And I started a

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Speaker 1: podcast called Let's Be Clear because they do want to

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Speaker 1: be clear, because my entire purpose of doing this podcast

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Speaker 1: is to relive a lot of my life and take

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Speaker 1: responsibility and accountability for all the things that I did wrong,

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Speaker 1: which is plenty right, like I messed up a lot,

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Speaker 1: but also to go, I didn't do this, this, this, this,

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Speaker 1: and this, and as a woman back then, what I

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Speaker 1: was doing back then would have been applauded today.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 1: What's really interesting is there's a agent slash. I guess

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Speaker 1: he's now a manager who is married to someone blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah. Anyway, he wrote in her comment section. I

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Speaker 1: almost like put it on my Instagram just to show

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Speaker 1: that even though we've made great strides in this business,

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Speaker 1: to things that A he doesn't know about. B He

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Speaker 1: wasn't there and there's zero proof, right, Like he was like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: she's the one who you know got fired from Nineers. No,

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Speaker 1: she's the one who's had problems with everybody. She's the

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Speaker 1: one who's done this, Like he listed a whole thing

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Speaker 1: and basically was trying to call me a liar. And

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Speaker 1: I read the comment and I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I thought we had rooted out all of you men

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Speaker 1: talking about I know, but I thought we'd rooted men

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Speaker 2: But I mean, especially back then, Yeah, you couldn't say

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Speaker 2: and we were schooled that, you know, you don't make

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Speaker 2: a comment. Everything goes through a publicist, and we're almost

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Speaker 2: like coached how to speak. And like I look at

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Speaker 2: it's not even my voice, Like, oh my god, I

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Speaker 2: me because I was you know, there's so many people

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Speaker 2: that are like you just say this, this is what's happening,

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Speaker 2: and you go, okay, okay, okay, And so how do

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Speaker 2: we can just say what we want and we control

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Speaker 1: My mom was like, you got to watch this last night,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's right my voice. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: try to imitate my voice. Back then, it was like, well,

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Speaker 1: like it was a baby voice. Yes, And I don't

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Speaker 1: know if if I put that voice on for those

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Speaker 2: Like finding your own voice. It stood for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we all have a different voice.

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Speaker 2: Jason's voice is different back then. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Don't you think Ian's voice is the same. Yep, I

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Speaker 1: think Gabs is the same.

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Speaker 1: I think Jen's kind of sounds the same. I think

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Speaker 1: Brian obviously changed throughout the show because he went through puberty.

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Speaker 2: Literally puberty on the show. For him, We love him

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Speaker 2: only he could go through puberty on the show and

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Speaker 1: You were obsessed with him, I know, wait, okay, so.

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Speaker 2: We've shared a lot of things over the years. I

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Speaker 2: did not know until I listened to your podcast that

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Speaker 2: you hooked up with Brian.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what yeah yeah, way later, like maybe

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Speaker 1: never mind, maybe I was doing Charmed. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It was so much later and I was living at

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Speaker 1: the Marmott House. But it was really short lived. It

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Speaker 1: Like that's why I didn't go anywhere, because it was awkward.

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Speaker 1: I mean, of you guys would have been super hot together,

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Speaker 1: but I just yeah, it was so like there was

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Speaker 1: so there was just no And I love Brian, He's

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Speaker 2: Wow, So we've shared even more than I thought. There

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Speaker 1: We shared Brian Saliva. It's not that bad. So wait.

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Speaker 2: So we were just looking at photos because I'm clearing

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Speaker 2: our trips and we used to travel a lot.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh my god, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: So my seventeen year old was looking at these and

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Speaker 2: he's like, Shan, it's hot. And I was like, whoa,

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Speaker 2: that's so crazy because we were like his age. Then yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 2: I found a picture in Maui, so you got engaged.

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Speaker 1: I don't even remember getting engaged, now we did. I

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Speaker 2: I was here with the bad boyfriend. Oh yeah, but

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Speaker 2: So here's me, here's the bad boyfriend, here's Shan, and

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Speaker 2: here's Charlie Bird. It was a female, the collectest parrot

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Speaker 2: What happened to Charlie Bird? Well, the bad boyfriend went

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Speaker 2: And I would come home home and every night when

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Speaker 2: And I'd go to the cage and give her kisses.

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Speaker 1: Did she get cancer? Like what happened with her in Fysima?

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Speaker 2: Like? No, she got pissed. And so when I walked in.

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Speaker 1: I walked in and I was like.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know what had happened that day.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, hi, Charlie Bird.

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Speaker 2: And she would always come up to the cage and

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Speaker 2: she gave me a little kisses. She bit me and

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Speaker 2: she bit through my nose. It was like eight stitches,

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Speaker 2: but the nose was like split open, and she was

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Speaker 2: what's going to happen? So I was like, you're okay,

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Speaker 2: it's okay, hey, Charlie Bird. So she finally let go

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Speaker 2: I went to the bathroom, looked in the mirror, and

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Speaker 2: a nose. It was like blood everywhere, which is so

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Speaker 2: ironic because you know, my nose was always my thing.

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Speaker 2: Yes you have, and all these years later, it's hard

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Speaker 1: Fair, fair, very fair. I think I've suffered from a

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Speaker 2: I've definitely had that in past relationships. I do have

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Speaker 1: And I think once a cheater, always a cheater. I

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Speaker 2: I I'm a cheater too then, because that's when Deane

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I've told this story before. Do you

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Speaker 2: remember the Betsy Johnson dress that you wore in our

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Speaker 1: Yes? Oh, and my bangs are super short. I hate

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Speaker 2: Circulating and it's never going to stop, and it's never

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Speaker 2: gonna stop. Nope, nope. But you guys, I mean we

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Speaker 1: You tell me you lost your virginity in my dress?

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Speaker 1: Is that regard.

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm going to say that you wore the

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Speaker 1: I told you, what do you mean? No, no, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 1: You were talking about that black dress with the big

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Speaker 2: Yes, bloodstains, but it was yeah, yeah, that's what you said.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were going somewhere and I didn't have a

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but this takes me back.

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Speaker 1: But that was like the.

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Speaker 2: First guy I was with, and he was great, and

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Speaker 1: That's how we.

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Speaker 2: Broke up because I fell head over heels in love

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00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 2: with Brian Green and like.

438
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, this is really interesting. So when you cheated

439
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: on him with Brian the first time, did you immediately

440
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: end it with Ryan? I mean, first off, can you

441
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: confuse yourself more Ryan and Brian.

442
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: No, but it's the running theme in my life.

443
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,479
Speaker 1: Or did you carry on and on a thing with

444
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: Brian and eventually cut it off with Ryan?

445
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: No, I broke up with Brian.

446
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, like immediately.

447
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 2: It wasn't immediate like there was here's the thing.

448
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so I don't dude, this is real talk now, kit,

449
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: But here's here's the thing.

450
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: I always say, like, Brian with a bee was the

451
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 2: first love of my life. But I was young and

452
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 2: I was caught up in it, and I don't know,

453
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: do you feel like I was really in love with

454
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: Brian or it was.

455
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: Like No, I think it was like teenage obsession, like infatuation. Yes, okay,

456
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: that helps me, but also.

457
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: Navigate my journey because all I know is going back

458
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: to then and it's like, okay, I was with this guy,

459
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 2: like I didn't lose my virginity till I was over eighteen, like,

460
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 2: so it's not like I haphazardly slept with someone like

461
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 2: this guy I met, I thought he was the one,

462
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: and and then all of a sudden, you know, there's

463
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: Brian and the pilot and he would like make fun

464
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 2: of me, and that always like from the beginning, I like, guys,

465
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 2: that Brian was always nice to me was like pulling

466
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 2: your pigtails, like giving me. He still gives me the gears, Yes,

467
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 2: and I still get riled up.

468
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: Of course, it's.

469
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: Been thirty years. We're just friends, you know, I love

470
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: his fiance, like, it's not that, but if he says

471
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: something to me, I get so flustered and riled up,

472
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: and it takes me right back to being my like

473
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: eighteen year old self and being like, oh my.

474
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: So I definitely think it was infatuation. I think it

475
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: was also like the sexiness of the moment, right you're

476
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: talking about being on a show. All of this stuff

477
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 1: is happening. We're young going out having these experiences. You know,

478
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 1: Brian's always had like some swagger. And then it was

479
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: also we all hung out so much that I think

480
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: you couldn't help but be infatuated and.

481
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: Me, Yeah, I couldn't go back to the manor and

482
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: hook up with him.

483
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: So where did I my dohini house?

484
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: Always your house?

485
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: Sorry, always my house? Yeah. So okay, so interesting because

486
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: we're talking about now cheating and men and relationships and

487
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: what that feels like to us.

488
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 2: So what does that make you feel like? As my

489
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: friend hearing me say, I've never thought about it this way.

490
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: I've never talked to anyone, and like, no, I can't

491
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 2: describe the way I felt or the relationship with Brian,

492
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 2: because no one besides you would understand.

493
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: I think you were eighteen years old. So when I

494
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: say a tiger doesn't change it stripes, they may, I

495
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: have no idea. Maybe maybe men and women who now

496
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: can I have spots? I hate stripes, spots. A lever

497
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: doesn't change its spots. But I think that there are

498
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: certain things you have to give yourself grace on, or

499
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, your boyfriend at that time when you're eighteen, nineteen,

500
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, I'm not quite sure. I know that

501
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: you're not a fully developed human being, as we talked

502
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: about on my podcast, and you know, you're you're learning

503
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: your judgment, you're learning sort of what's right and wrong,

504
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: but you're also caught up in all of these feelings

505
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: and emotions, and you've got hormone changes happening, and there's.

506
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: All of this stuff.

507
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I would say you sleeping

508
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: with Brian while with Ryan when you're eighteen years old

509
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: makes you a serial cheater that.

510
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: You're gonna say killer for a second. I got so

511
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 2: scared already. Killer.

512
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: Serial cheaters are people who do it in every relationship,

513
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 1: and they don't just cheat on you with one person

514
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: multiple they do it with multiple where like literally later

515
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: you could be separated, you could be divorced, could be

516
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: a month later, it could be ten years later, and

517
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: you're getting emails and phone calls from girls being like, oh,

518
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, I was with him at this year and

519
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: I was with him at that year, and you're like, oh, like,

520
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 1: was anything true? So yeah, those people, to me are

521
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: people that will never change. Okay, But I don't know.

522
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: Our audience will probably let us know if I'm giving

523
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: you too many allowances here because i'm your friend. But

524
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: I don't think I am. I think I am very

525
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: clear on the fact that when you're eighteen years old, Sure,

526
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: would it have been nice for you to say to Ryan,

527
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't think I can be with you anymore because

528
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: I have a crush on somebody else. If something happens,

529
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be able to stop it. Sure,

530
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: but you weren't even fully developed enough to realize that

531
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: you should have that conversation. Your first relationship losing your

532
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: virginity and then having what feels like the love of

533
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: your life right in front of your eyes. That's hard.

534
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: I mean I often think about, like, especially like rewatching

535
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: nine O two and zero now, like what was happening

536
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: in our personal lives? Did that dictate what happened with

537
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: the characters? And if you go back, it's like, wait,

538
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: did they put Donna and David together? Because my dad

539
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: knew that, like Brian and I and I was like,

540
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: oh my god, briann't. Like I mean, obviously it took

541
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: on a life of its own, but yeah, if you

542
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: really think about it, why would Donna and David initially

543
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: have been paired together? It was odd?

544
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, what happened to your two characters? Like, did you

545
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: guys get married at the end?

546
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: Yep?

547
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: Did you really?

548
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? I invited you, you didn't come. The invitation to Brenda

549
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: got lost in the mail to the UK somewhere.

550
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. I don't know what happened with anyone.

551
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: Yes, And while we were filming the wedding episode, because

552
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: Brian and I we read the script and by then

553
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: he and I were like a linked force. We were like,

554
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: which is funny, Like the two like meek ones in

555
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: the beginning didn't have a voice, were the youngest ones.

556
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: By the tenth season, we were like not running it,

557
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: but we.

558
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: You still had the passion for it.

559
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: We did. We took pride and we were willing to

560
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: step up and and jump in where I feel like,

561
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 2: you know, a.

562
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: Lot of people not it wanted more time off.

563
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: Not nine o two one zero, But when you're on

564
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: a show for a long time, you kind of start

565
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: getting comfortable phoning it in. Like and Brian and I

566
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: were always very you know, we were producers at heart.

567
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: We still are so like we were like no, no, no.

568
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: So we bonded over that actually, and it was nice

569
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: to see us come together not just as friends, co

570
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: stars and love interests on the show, you know, crushes.

571
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: I'm always hesitant because Brian sees it different. We've never

572
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: talked about it, Like when we did BH and O

573
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: Trow and they were writing it in about Donna and

574
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: David Tory and Brian. You know, the writers were like, yeah,

575
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: you know, Brian sees it difference. Like you were like,

576
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: oh my god, you were so in love with him,

577
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 2: and he was like, huh, we were just friends, Like

578
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: and I was like, Oh, that's a boy and a

579
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: girl at that's eighteen.

580
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: Bullshit.

581
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: I've never asked him.

582
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to call it bullshit on that. Brian knew

583
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: how you felt about him for sure, like he one

584
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: hundred percent did. Yeah, But I think I think I

585
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,239
Speaker 1: would imagine and I haven't actually had this conversation with him,

586
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: but I would imagine that that is also a very

587
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 1: difficult position for him to be in because again, sorry,

588
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: producer's daughter, right, working together.

589
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: I was always a running thing for me, Like guys

590
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: on a show, like guest stars, you know, they would

591
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: flirt with you and you'd be like, Oh, they're cute

592
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: or nice. And we work constantly, you don't meet other people,

593
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: so you'd be like, oh, are they going to take

594
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: me out? And that didn't happen because it's like, oh, it's.

595
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: Producer's daughter dad show, and not just the producer's daughter

596
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: but Aaron Spelling correct, like, you know, one of the

597
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: most important, powerful, influential producers of that time period ever.

598
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't have dated you, and yet I did

599
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: essentially date you by just we were best friends and

600
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: not caring that your dad would get mad at me

601
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: that you were getting home super late. But now, for god,

602
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: I think that's extremely hard.

603
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: And how girls like when like we're out when we're

604
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: young and you get drunk and ad guys are like

605
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: watching you and so you make out. I think you

606
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: were my first friend and we ever did that? Yeah,

607
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: like made out for like guys like, oh look right, yeah,

608
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: Like we'd be out drinking and they'd be like, oh,

609
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: look at the two hot girls from rounds now and

610
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: be like, oh, let's show them something.

611
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: Let's show let's let's let's give it.

612
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: And then we do and they'd all be like what

613
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: and then we'd be like, okay, another rounds cool, like

614
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: nothing ever happened. I was circling back.

615
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: To I don't even think there was ever tongue exchange,

616
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: Like it was like pretty a flascid kiss. But but

617
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: but no, we made it was good guys would Yeah,

618
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: it's like the TV kiss Now, you're a good kisser now.

619
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: But circling back to Brian and I so like always

620
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: comes back with Brian. Sorry story in my life anyway.

621
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: We love you, Sharana, I love Sharna, Oh my god,

622
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: nothing about that, like yeah, but during the wedding episode,

623
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: we got our vows and we were like, oh, we

624
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: know these characters so well at this point and this

625
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: is very personal. The fans have been on this journey,

626
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: We've been on this journey. And we ended up rewriting

627
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: them and wrote our own vows to each other. And

628
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: when we went for a rehearsal and the whole big

629
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 2: you know, mastershot, we read the script at one so

630
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: that it was real, and then we on camera read

631
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: the ones we wrote to each other, so that was

632
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: all real. But at the end of the filming the

633
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: wedding episode, I remember turning to Jen at one point

634
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: and I said, Then she goes, what and I go

635
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: I think I'm in love with Brian again. And She's like, no, no,

636
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: not doing this again. It's been ten years. We've come

637
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: so far. Not doing this again.

638
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: Thank you Ginny for cutting that one off.

639
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was like, oh, the lines just got

640
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: so blurred. And then I have never and Brian and

641
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: I you know how close friend and I are and

642
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: I tell him everything, like I'll text him and like

643
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: we're brother and sister and like best and so close

644
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: that we can have that connection. Like what was this

645
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: the reason? Maybe the you know your relationship didn't work

646
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: because of this, and I'm like, no, no, no, And I'm

647
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 2: able to talk about things that you know, I wouldn't

648
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: be able to with him years ago. Anyway, recently we

649
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: were talking about my situation and being in love and

650
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: being crushed and being hurt and moving on and now

651
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 2: being single and the next chapter of my life. And

652
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: he's been so great and such a champion, and you know,

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Speaker 2: at times he gives me such inspiring, you know, words

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Speaker 2: of you can do it professionally and personally. And we

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Speaker 2: made some commentary and I was saying, like, no, I

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Speaker 2: was in love. I don't know, maybe I wasn't in love.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. No one's broken in my heart since you.

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Speaker 2: And there was like pause, pause, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, this is the first time ife said

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Speaker 2: this to him in thirty years.