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Speaker 1: Judge Judge Turia Finch and Judge Tanya Jones Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show A. Collectively they are four of the nineteen

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Speaker 1: never been in trouble before. Sure, he raped five women,

430
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: but that's not the point. Some of these judges are

431
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: so bold. They will say stuff that they know that

432
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: it's offensive, but they feel like they can't be touched,

433
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: and they they just say whatever the hell they want

434
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: to say. You said the magic words. They said they

435
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: felt they could not be touched and that was true

436
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: for a long time. And I want to say that

437
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: you know now that we're on the bench, we're on

438
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: the bench, we see more judicial complaints, more many many

439
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: or many many more because now if we're doing and listen,

440
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: we're not even touching the mark at what was thrown

441
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: at us. I took so much as a defense attorney,

442
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: and you do that because you take it. You're taking

443
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: it for your own client, to help ease the situation

444
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,959
Speaker 1: for them. But judges said so much. They spoke un

445
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: I mean just literally unchained, unleashed. They could say and

446
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: do essentially whatever they wanted to do and there were

447
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: never any consequences. But you let one of us step

448
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: left the right of the right. It is. It is

449
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: huge we have and you know, so when when I

450
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: say support, I really mean support because oftentimes we're fighting

451
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: not only to make sure that fairness stays on the bench,

452
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: but that you know we're there and they're not trying

453
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: to clip us all so that we can't even run again.

454
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: Do you know they listened to our interviews, Like every

455
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: time we sit down to do an interview, it's a risk,

456
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: like literally there are people are opposition that listen to

457
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: our interviews. They look at everything we do to foul

458
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: judicial complaints, and they do that to keep us silent.

459
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: So they want to take advantage of our silence and

460
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: expose in the media or whatever theme or you know whatever.

461
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: And so you know, that's why I really appreciate you

462
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: all taking time to even talk with them. Just need

463
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: to be out in the open yet absolutely, because it's

464
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: important to expose them, which you flip its them, because

465
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: that's that one thing that I know about them. They

466
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: don't like being exposed. See, they're counting on the power

467
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: that they have to scarybody and silence everybody. And so

468
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: most people kind of go along and get along with it.

469
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: But when you expose them the stuff, Oh yeah, they

470
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: know their place. Everybody got a place, they know that place.

471
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: When they get exposed, they don't like that. And they

472
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: know what works. They know what works. And so whenever

473
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: we look like we're getting somewhere, they say, uh, they're

474
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: soft on crime. They letting they're letting everybody out of

475
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: the jails. They don't know what they're doing. They don't

476
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: have enough experience, they don't have this, that and the other.

477
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: They know what works. They play on people's fear tactics.

478
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: And then if you if if you do everything, you

479
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: can do everything right as everything right, and you let

480
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,239
Speaker 1: one guy, you let one guy out of Lord who

481
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: went out and just ended up just being rotten and killed.

482
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: Somebody did something dirty. You see that she need she

483
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: let them out and they But but they do this

484
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: type of stuff all the time, right because you can't

485
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, you have no crystal ball beings a second chance.

486
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: You try to give people a chance, and you don't

487
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: know who's going to who's who's going to walk straight

488
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: and narrow, or who's going to just decide that they're

489
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: going to go out and do something crazy. Again, You

490
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: just don't, so you just try to use your best judgment,

491
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean that's the thing, and they

492
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: understand that because that's what they do also. But when

493
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: it comes to us, it's a total different thing. Soft

494
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: on crime, they went unchecked softly and gay bonds. You

495
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: could you could commit a murder, alleged commit a murder

496
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: and your bond might be thirty thousand dollars. That was

497
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: standard and typical in een and prior. Today, the felony

498
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: court judge is not us, but the felony court judges

499
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 1: you deal with that. They are in the millions routinely, routinely,

500
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: but there soft on crime, letting people out, you know,

501
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: and they never talk about the whole story, the failures

502
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: of the other side. And I'll just going to say

503
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: at the district attorney's office, you know, doing what they're

504
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: supposed to do too, because oftentimes they weren't held because

505
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, the judge didn't require it, didn't hold their

506
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: feet to the fire, so they didn't timely file motions

507
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: to make sure their bonds were either increased, starret or

508
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: revoked um. Nor did they bring evidence that you know,

509
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: because the statute has a certain standard um, they didn't

510
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: present those things that happens. Now. I just want to

511
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: tell you so much again, thank you for what are

512
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: you just saying, because if anything grinds my gears being

513
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: a judge, is that there's this narrative that we don't

514
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: care about the their community that we live in and

515
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: that we just want to make sure that everybody unsafe

516
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 1: and dangerous go out into the community. We're judges. We're

517
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: gonna sit back here like we live on the bench.

518
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: You know, I go home. You just went to target today,

519
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: right for this interview or wherever I go to Kroger's.

520
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: And so it does not benefit us or our community

521
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: to just be reckless and put people out on the street.

522
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: We don't have a crystal ball, but we surely work

523
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: with the We do the best we can by working

524
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: with the information that is presented to us, and that's

525
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: all we really can do. To be quite honest with you,

526
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: our goal is that no one commit any crimes. But

527
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: that's just not a reality. And for today's media and

528
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: for today's opposition to pretend that people on bond reoffending

529
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: is a new kind of novel concept is ridiculous. How

530
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: is a former prosecutor, former public defender, and private defense attorney,

531
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: And I'm here to tell you I've done so many

532
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: bail hearings on people when I was either a prosecutor

533
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: a defense attorney, on people that were out on bail

534
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: and reoffended. You know why that happened because people are people, right,

535
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: and all you can do is do what we can.

536
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: But whoever is listening your judge's care in Harris County,

537
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: we want you to live comfortable, be saved, leave your

538
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: door unlocks if you can, not saying don't do that,

539
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: but it's a different age. Then we have more guns

540
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: available and lawful and legal. Then it's the judge's faults

541
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 1: when people have guns. I don't understand that. And when

542
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: when people are hurting each other. We don't want that.

543
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't want that at all, you know. But I

544
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: appreciate you for recognizing the fact that we're not clairvoyant.

545
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: We're not psychic, nor do we have a crystal ball.

546
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: But God knows, we work really hard to make sure

547
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: we do us the best for not only the person

548
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: in front of us, the alleged victim, and the community

549
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: as a whole. And that's not an easy job. And

550
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: to pretend like it is. And this rocket science is

551
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: just the biggest life from hill and we don't and

552
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: they but they do that intentionally, and they do it

553
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: intentionally because that's how they control the narrative. Just like

554
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: when you talk about crime in the neighborhood or whatever,

555
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: they try to make it seems like a the snitching thing.

556
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: They're trying to make it seems like black people just

557
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: love crying, like black people just like being living in danger.

558
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: We just like, we don't want no protection from the police. No,

559
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: we don't want protection we don't want this false narrative

560
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: of protection from faith corrupt police officers. So what they're

561
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: doing is that they'll be cool with uh, they'll be

562
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: cool with all of the bad things going on there

563
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: and all of that, and they don't try to fix anything.

564
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: But then the moment that somebody trying to hold a

565
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: police officer accountable, they try to say, oh, see, y'all

566
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: anti police officers. No, we're anti corrupt police officers. But

567
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: the but the corrupt police officers try to hide behind

568
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: the one or two alright police officers and say, see,

569
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: you know y'all trying to attack police officer. We're just

570
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: here to protect y'all. But we don't want that type

571
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: of protection. We want to be protective. We want to

572
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: be safe in our own communities. We won't say we

573
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: won't we want the thugs to kill us, the dope dealers.

574
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: We want the asses out too, because they're destroying the neighborhoods.

575
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: You know, if it's like this, if you're not helping,

576
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: you're hurting, all right, that's any situation in life. If

577
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: you're not helping, you're hurting. So look around in your

578
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: neighborhood and look and look at every every individual who's

579
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: helping who's hurting, right, and so you want it's like,

580
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: we we don't want black judges because we're trying to

581
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: stack the deck or whatever. We've been down so long. Man,

582
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: we're cool with just some fattis. We just give the

583
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: fatness and we're straight, you know what I'm saying that

584
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: because because we feel like if somebody did something wrong,

585
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: they should be punished. But look, the goddamned punishment fit

586
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: the crime. You know, you don't get no body, no

587
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: damn forty years in prison for two grams of cocaine.

588
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: That's crazy crack. Yeah, you know, but you don't do

589
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: if you don't do people like that, man, you know.

590
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: But but that's what compassion comes in, and that's where

591
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: relatability comes in, right, and even on the flip side,

592
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: so you know, treating people fairly because we have a

593
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: different perspective. But even on the flip side, you know,

594
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: I have told other people when I first took the bench,

595
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: you know would come up, you know, hive dollar lawyers

596
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: would come up and say, you know, hey, can we

597
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, just get it, pay us fine and then

598
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: not do any jail. And I was like, are you

599
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: asking me if you can buy a shorter sentence. You

600
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: know that's illegal, but you can talk to me about

601
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: why you know you should get a shorter sentence. They were,

602
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: so it was if we all know that was routinely done.

603
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: You pay a fine, you don't have to do the

604
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: jail time. But for people that don't have money, they

605
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: paid with their time in jail, and so you know,

606
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: it was an adjustment for lawyers that when I would

607
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: say that to them, like, are you asked me if

608
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: you can buy a shorter sentence? And they were looking

609
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: at me like that it is what I said. So

610
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: you know, but now nobody's even nobody's asking me in

611
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: at least in a couple of years, because they're used

612
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: to that's not happening up in here. So come to

613
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: me with a legal argument for why your person deserves

614
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: time served from into that, but don't talk to me

615
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: about something that somebody else can't access, which is money, right, Like,

616
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: that's just not something that I'm going to be making

617
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: a decision based on um and so just kind of

618
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: even flipping it having you know, lawyers come up to

619
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: me and say, oh, well, you know he's he's a doctor,

620
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: so he can't do the he can't do the time.

621
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, you think all these people sitting out here

622
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: in the audience can do it. They can't do the

623
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: time either. Let's talk about why your person can't because

624
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: then being a doctor that that's not that's not gonna

625
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: move me. Let's talk about why your person doesn't need

626
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: to go to jail. So that's the corruption where you know, right,

627
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: it's not you know, just law enforce it's not an

628
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: anti law enforcement. It's just anywhere ever you sit, whether

629
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: you're judged, law enforcement, prosecutor defense attorney, wherever, it's just

630
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: not needed. Right, that's not what's gonna help us at all.

631
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: So I admire you for taking that stance. I'm gonna

632
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 1: have to use that line. It was funny the first

633
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: few times I worked it out, and now like nobody does.

634
00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if the law enforcement know that. Who

635
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: I know, somebody's listening. But people who actually law enforcement

636
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: that come into our courts are not ones that like

637
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: you know, reading Facebook post, you know, but ones who

638
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: actually come in our court testify in our court. I

639
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: feel confident that law enforcements that has come into my

640
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: court they know that I'm above board, it's just what

641
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: the law is, what it is, you know, And so

642
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: all that extra that's inflammatory on the internet, that's all

643
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: just fake and and and stuff to get people worked up.

644
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: But people that actually experience our courtrooms. You can ask

645
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: anybody that's come in there, they'll say the same. And

646
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: to deflect, right, that's what the social media and that's

647
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: political theater. It's to deflect from whatever is happening on

648
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,479
Speaker 1: in their own camp because they know that we can't

649
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: speak to whatever the issue is in the reality. Y'all know,

650
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: it's true. Much of what we hear or see, none

651
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: of them have stepped in your courts. You know. I've

652
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: never seen many of the people that make the most

653
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: statements in court, and I even any of them to come.

654
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: They're not here, but they have the most to say

655
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: in our livestream, our live stream. The doors of the

656
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: court are open, and I allow that opportunity for you

657
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: to come in, and I welcome the opportunity, of course,

658
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: but I can't talk about cases, nor can I, you know,

659
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: get a forecast on what I would do as a

660
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: judgement were very ethical. But if there's something that you

661
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: say that's not happening right, let us know, but don't

662
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: post it. It's right. It's live stream. You can click

663
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: on the court live stream because we wanted to make

664
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 1: sure that even when things got tough, when the pandemic

665
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: hit and people couldn't access it was already hard to

666
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: access our courtrooms with traffic and the lines and insecurity,

667
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: so it's already hard to access the court of court.

668
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: We decided we wanted to make it easier accessible. We

669
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: can't close the doors of the court house. People need

670
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: to know what's going on, so we live stream. We

671
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: live stream. It's not popular. Some people like really don't

672
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: like it, but we live stream so that people have

673
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: access to see what's going on. They can just click

674
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: right from their phone to see what's happening in Court nine,

675
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: in Court twelve and four and the rest of them.

676
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: Do you prafer defendants come to a court wrong? Would

677
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: you like to live stream? I don't know. There are circumstances.

678
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: There are circumstances that they need to be there, right,

679
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: but most of the time they don't have to come.

680
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: That's the beauty of it too. And if you want

681
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,959
Speaker 1: to zoom in, you can. But if we're not doing

682
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: anything substantive for your case that day, you don't need

683
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: to be there. Yeah, I mean we we've we've said

684
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: from the beginning criminal court is not conducive to a

685
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: d virtual But what we did learn, one of the

686
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: blessings of all of this is that we did learn

687
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: a lot can be done virtually, and particularly with the

688
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: tall ask of asking people to come downtown and what

689
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: in the county this large. It's really a big deal,

690
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: and so we've made it more accessible for people to

691
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: be able to appear because short of like you about

692
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: to go, you know, you're needing to go into custody

693
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: because you have a warn or something. If somebody comes

694
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: onto my life and says, hey, I had court today,

695
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: I couldn't make it down there, I'm not gonna be like, well,

696
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 1: you were supposed to be here, you're not here live,

697
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, um, is the reason why you're not here?

698
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: Because they have they in my court. You're required to

699
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: come for the first time, I like to lay eyes

700
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: on you. We talked face to face about you know,

701
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: kind of what the process is, what to expect, and

702
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: then the last setting, right that's your trial or your

703
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: plea or you're dismissing or whatever. All that in between

704
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: the lawyers can can can discuss that and so but

705
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: sometimes I have somebody that calls and they're like, oh,

706
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 1: you know, my car broke down, and so I zoomed in. Okay, alright,

707
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: but let's let me pull your case up. Do you

708
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: have a lawyer and try to work with the people,

709
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: because you know, I just I remember the day. I've

710
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: always I was a public defender before I became a lawyer,

711
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: the whole time, at the federal and state level, and

712
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: so I've always represented people who don't have resources. And

713
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: I remember routinely people who are always already stretched thin

714
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: being arrested for things like showing up late to court

715
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: when we know that the line is like an hour away,

716
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: you know, different things like that. So you know, just this,

717
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: it's night and day. What is now? What about when

718
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: you know a train was on the track and we

719
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: don't do that quite honest. Yeah, that's not that's a practice,

720
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: that's not court not I tell everyone day one, you

721
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: don't have to come to court if you're in contact

722
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: with your lawyer, you know, violating your bond conditions. I

723
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: don't need to see you until it's time to either

724
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: dispose of your case where that's a pleaer trial. Other

725
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: than that, your lawyer can show up an efficient one

726
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: right because and we still have dockets, clearance rates and

727
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: above above, So whoever is listening that may not understand

728
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: that process. We're still disposing of cases as we should

729
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: be in above the hundred percent clearance rate, which means

730
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: that just to kind of break it down, one hundred

731
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: percent means that we are matching the number cases they

732
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: are coming in. So you have ten cases coming in

733
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: and you're closing out ten cases, that's a hundred percent.

734
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: Now if you're closing out above the amount of cases

735
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: that was fouled that day, then you're exceeding, so you're

736
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: hitting old cases, backlog cases exactly. So I'm proud to

737
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: report that the county criminal courts have been above a

738
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: hundred percent for quite a few months now. I think

739
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: today we sit at about a hundred and sixteen percent.

740
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: So and then we have a jail population of only

741
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty six people about three hundred misdemeanor

742
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: only people incarcerating the Harris County jail, which means if

743
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: our jail population or the total capacity is ten thousand,

744
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: that the misdemeanor County criminal courts a log inmates are

745
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: less than five percent. I think we calculated like three

746
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: point four percent points to the population, which is what

747
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: we have in the sastest training clearance rate and reduction

748
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: in case backlog. So we're still a right man. I

749
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: like that. Man. I remember, like back in the gap,

750
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: going to court was like going to a public hand man.

751
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: You saw somebody with him mean true basically didn't look

752
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: nothing like you and did not have your best interest

753
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: at heart at all, no compassion muchsoever, man, And you'd

754
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: be like, man, I don't ever want to come back

755
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: you no more constantly? Which of you remember I do

756
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: when I wasn't practicing. Yeah, so, so you know, I

757
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: believe that you know something. I understand that judges have

758
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: to have a certain amount of latitude, But do you

759
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: guys ever think that sometimes you guys a task with

760
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: two latitude? Good question. What are you asking? Like, do

761
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: you feel like we have too much discretion? And yeah?

762
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: So it you know, it can be We've seen it

763
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: abused of course. Um, but you know, for us, I

764
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: think it's been helpful to kind of have that discretion

765
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: and to be able to use our discretion, but we

766
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: certainly have seen it abused in the past. So I

767
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: think what we try to do is is be a

768
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: part of UM policies that will outlast us. Fair policies

769
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: that are here if we're here, are not UM, which

770
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: is which has been tougher than we I think thought

771
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: it would be. But what about when you have that

772
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: discretion and you use that discretion unfairly? For example, that's

773
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: a case about Larry Hoover. I didn't uh, Larry who

774
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: was from Chicago, right, and Larry who is serving six

775
00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: life sentences uh various crimes under this new law, Larry

776
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: Hoover should be at home, but the judge has the

777
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 1: complete discretion to allow him to go home or state. Meanwhile,

778
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: all of the other people that was involved in his

779
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: case all at home, and other people at home who

780
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: met this so called this this so this so called

781
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: the name of it? What's the name of it? Next step?

782
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: Second step? First, I think it's a step. First step.

783
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: So all these people that met, all these other people

784
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: that met that threshold, they at home, but they got

785
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: but they got Larry still locked up because Larry has

786
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: the youth. Ear the young people like Larry, They respect Larry,

787
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: and he's one of those guys who could actually help.

788
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's the complete answer, but he can

789
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: help clean up the streets of Chicago. But they don't

790
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: want him to go home because they liked the madness.

791
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: It's tricky though, right, because it wasn't that long ago,

792
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: because he has a federal conviction, right, So it wasn't

793
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: that long ago that they didn't have discretion in federal court, right,

794
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: and they were mandatory, and so people were getting really

795
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: I mean he likely came through through around that time, right,

796
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: A lot of change that, right, a lot of changes.

797
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: Then that's when he got those those But then so

798
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: then you have the other side of it, so now

799
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: we don't have Now that's illegal, right, UM, Mandatory mandatory

800
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: sentencing is illegal. Mandatory minimums are not. But mandatory sentencing

801
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: UM guidelines was. It's been declared illegal, and so now

802
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: you just have discretion. The problem is not necessarily the discretion.

803
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: The problem is the makeup of you know, this is

804
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: not a group um that has the type of varying

805
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: experiences that we enjoy in the hair as Canady judiciary. Right,

806
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 1: So you want judges to have some discretion. The problem

807
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: is when you have them I won't say monolithic, because

808
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: everybody is not the same, but a very similar group

809
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: of people that get selected for these lifetime appointments, you're

810
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: gonna get the same projects. About to say, also their

811
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: lifetime appointment can't so there's no consequence ever for what

812
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: decisions they make. And so discretion, that's the ultimate use

813
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: of discretion. You know, we have discretion, and in fact,

814
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: there are many instances I would I think you all

815
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: agree we're trying to hold on to some of our

816
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: judicial discretion and trying to take it away from us

817
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: at every turn. And we realize that that we, like

818
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: I said in earlier, even the playing field, you know,

819
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: by using our discretion where when and where appropriate. But

820
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: it's like that, it's not like when you have a

821
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: lifetime appointment and you you're never questioned again ultimately on

822
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: what you do. They can appeal it, but that has

823
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: no effect on whether or not you get the state

824
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: in that position. And that that's cold blooded man, because

825
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: I don't believe in that those lifetime appointments, because you know,

826
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: people change and and and sometimes people go in with

827
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: a certain type of mentality and you know what I'm saying,

828
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: sometimes they go in and they just they are who

829
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: they are. That's nothing you can do about it. Sometimes

830
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: they go in and there the diabolical people. You know,

831
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people their dillabolical and both

832
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: right now. Sometimes you have judges who are just really evil,

833
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: wicked people, and that's when they become judgship of human

834
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: beings and they sit there forever, even on the Supreme Court.

835
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: I don't even believe that they should be lifetime appointees.

836
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: You know, that's crazy that you just somebody can just

837
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: get in a position like that, that type of power,

838
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: and it don't matter what they do. They get to

839
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: sit there anyway, and and make all of these judgments,

840
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: these these major decisions, he's historical change the lives of

841
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: your children, yep. And you they set laws all that

842
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: change the lives of your children and your children's children.

843
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: And here in your very diverse city in area. You

844
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: talked about the diversity of all these black women in

845
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: the judiciary and really all these talented black women in

846
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: the legal community, and now one, not one black woman

847
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: sits on the federal bench in the entire southern District

848
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: of Texas, including Houston. Correct, Those are appointing. They have

849
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: to be appointed what they do, and what they do

850
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: is once you get in, then now when it's time

851
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: for you to step down to move around, you endorse

852
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: somebody who got that exact same mentality that you have.

853
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: And this is how they keep the control. This is crazy, man,

854
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: It's a cold games. It's no way that people that

855
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: have no respect for you should be able to judge it.

856
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: You know, if you look back at the history of

857
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: this country and and and just different cases and how

858
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: they handled it, Like Jimmy got six months probation, Hero

859
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: got life sentence for the same crime. Why is that

860
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: because Timmy when but is not judge? But when Timmy does,

861
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: we ain't the judge. When when what's the other kid names?

862
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: When when we Rune does something bad, When you Rune

863
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: does something bad, it's lock that nigga up he just

864
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: like the rest up. When Timmy does something bad is

865
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: boys will be boys, damn. And you never have to

866
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: be no judge to say that, Willie. And that's that's

867
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: the difference. And so they did it. He was a thug.

868
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know Jimmy did. He had some mental issues.

869
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: We also proba or affluenza, like the young man. Yeah,

870
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: he's so affluent that you know he doesn't understand, and

871
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: you know, so you shouldn't have these times we get

872
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: away with something like this. But when you're trying to

873
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: explain a lack of resources, a lack of access to

874
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: things that your client has, people have no comprehension, no

875
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: compassional understanding for your your client, and you're advocating on

876
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: their behalf. That blew my mind that we get into

877
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: the meeting potatoes. Yeah, a lot of a lot of them,

878
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: Judge Jones is it's like that because you know they

879
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: that's how they want to be, you see, and they

880
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: were they were. They were brought in two make sure

881
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: that black people don't get justice. They were brought in

882
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: to lock up as many black people as possible so

883
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: that they can make them slaves again and run that

884
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 1: prison empire they got going on out here. This hustle,

885
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: this prison hustle. You know, when you look at when

886
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: you really take a look at everything we've done for

887
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: this country. We I don't care what anybody want to believe.

888
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: With your mama thought told you what your dad had

889
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: told you. We built this country, so we deserve as much,

890
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: if not more prosperity than anybody in this country. We

891
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: built it. We built this country, don't matter what they say.

892
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: We built this country. So we deserved just as much,

893
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: if not more than anybody. But you know, the way

894
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: that they set it up, it's cold The counter set

895
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: up is cold blooded, telling you you got were on

896
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: the bottom of to be so higher up in in

897
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: in the building of this place. We still are at

898
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: the bottom of everybody else's because it's intentional. The government.

899
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 1: The government makes the laws. These are your yeah, yeah,

900
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: your lawmakers. They make the laws and then they enforced

901
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: the laws. No group of people in the history of

902
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: civilization has ever been able to reach their full potential.

903
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: Talk to them when they've been talking about their own

904
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: government for failure. Talk to them. You can't you get

905
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: kiss impossible every move you make right there, because after

906
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: this lovely group of jugger just came in, they changed

907
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: the requirements to become a judge. That's the way they

908
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: That's that's always used. They've always used the law to

909
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: circumquem Volt podcast will be right back after the week.

910
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: I want to know what they did. I want to

911
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: know what was done to make it more difficult to

912
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: become judges. So they increased the number of years needed

913
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: to become a judge, which really was was silly because

914
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: we worked so hard to get here that I mean,

915
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: we don't have those, yeah, but they're trying to add

916
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: more and more and more things, more and more hurdles.

917
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: But I think, because I'm trying to think, I want

918
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: to say they doubled um the number of years required

919
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: for district court um and the appellate court. And narrative, right,

920
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: So this whole narrative was that we won just because

921
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: we were black, right, and we were black women and inexperience.

922
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: That's that's the point I'm trying to get, is that

923
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: what is not being told is that we were qualified

924
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 1: and arguably more qualified than the people that we replaced.

925
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: Many of our predecessors practice maybe a couple of years

926
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: if that the bare minimum. Right, we came in certified

927
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: ten plus years, I mean, all kinds of trials and

928
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: trial experience, and and and that's what the narrative is.

929
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: They got in because they're black, not black experience, not

930
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: necessarily who was saying, who would say this is people

931
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 1: who are used to getting in because they're white. Damn Willie,

932
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: that's who we're saying. Say that myself. I'm sorry. I've

933
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: read social media. I've seen it in various you know

934
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: mediums where the allegation or the belief is that we

935
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 1: are not we were not qualified to sit where we're sitting.

936
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: It's just amazing, you know, not to knock my predecessor,

937
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: but I had, I think, almost twice the years of

938
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: practice before I ran for that bench, right, you know,

939
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: and it's just four times the amount of years of practice,

940
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: you know, then my predecessor before he was So the

941
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: narrative is just being fueled by this. Well, let's raise

942
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 1: the criteria because then we old board was put together

943
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 1: to do a study your governor did about the board,

944
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: what we can do and should judges be appointed or

945
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: should they be elected? And so that didn't make it.

946
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 1: They did. They weren't able to push that through, although

947
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure we haven't heard the last of them. But

948
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: what they were able to get through of the suggestions

949
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: from this committee or this commit was to raise the

950
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: number of years because they're like, oh, well, you know,

951
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: maybe we can just cut off some of the at

952
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: least the younger ones. Right. But now here's my thing.

953
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: Even if you But I'm like, even if we have

954
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: even if you tell me, oh, this person, they've been

955
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: practicing before years and they had any trial. You know.

956
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: That's why I was about to say, I practiced for

957
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 1: years in front of judges who didn't know up from down.

958
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: So when they're figured out, I guess like the rest

959
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: of the And I knew that there were judges that

960
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: were elected that met the minimum criteria. That's not new,

961
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: that's not But what is false is that we were

962
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: the group that only got in at the minimum criteria.

963
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:48,479
Speaker 1: And that's the narrative that I'm trying to correct. These

964
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: are the same people who said they voted for Donald

965
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: Trump because he wasn't a politician, because he had no experiences? Willie,

966
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: what is wrong with you today? Man? But why does

967
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: it change? Throw me for a little too, because it's

968
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: one of the younger judges who were elected during that cycle.

969
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: I was thirty two when I was elected, and you know,

970
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: people were looking at me kind of sideways. And then

971
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: you hear about judges that were pointing to civil benches

972
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: at five seven eight in Harris County, And I'm like, oh, okay,

973
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 1: is it because I looked the way that I look,

974
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: I show up as myself from south part of our

975
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: box braids, and I sit on the bench just as

976
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: competent as anyone else right still, neighborhood, you know that

977
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: that's to them. That's why, that's why I'm always the

978
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: biggest advocate for voting, voting, Because we had the right

979
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: people in place, it was no way that that would

980
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: have even came up in in In In Austin the

981
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: government wouldn't even thought of saying, no stuff like that.

982
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: But what But what do y'all say to people who

983
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: say that, yeah, y'all judges, but y'all working for a

984
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: system where we can't win in What do y'all say

985
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,959
Speaker 1: to those people say, that's why I'm not voting. Ain't

986
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: gonna do nothing, because I'm sure somebody right now, man,

987
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: they ain't gonna do nothing. They ain't gonna change nothing. Man,

988
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: this system is rigged and ain't nothing we can do. Man,

989
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: We're done with doom. You're better have us there because

990
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: because let me say something, all of us will tell

991
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: you what it was like before. And even if you think,

992
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: if you think that what you see today is not

993
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: as as good um, you are wholly mistaken. Um, today

994
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: you can walk into court not have a dime, not

995
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: have uh any family support, nobody's there. You walk in

996
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: on your own today, and a judge is gonna look

997
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: at you for you, and the first thing that's gonna

998
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: come out of our mouth is how we can protect

999
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: you and make sure you know your rights and make

1000
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: sure that you have now an attorney that's also going

1001
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: to properly represent you. That never happened before. It's certainly

1002
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: was not the priority. So even if you don't get

1003
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: anything else but to walk through this door, nine nine

1004
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: nine percent of the time, you're gonna get to walk out.

1005
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: That's that's a change too. It used to be sir, ma'am.

1006
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: Oh you didn't come with an attorney today, Well let

1007
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: me take you on in the custody because you go

1008
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: with the bailiff because you don't have an attorney or

1009
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: come back every day and come back every day. And

1010
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: I mean this is you know, it's just offering a

1011
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: not even above and beyond, we actually follow the law,

1012
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: and then we do it in a respectful manner. Many

1013
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: people walk into the courtroom and they yeah, huh that

1014
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: they've given me everything because they've never seen what respect

1015
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: looks like what common courtesy looks like no one's ever

1016
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: given it to him. So I don't go off because

1017
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: they don't know how to present themselves and this this

1018
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: situation or embarrassment because of what they're wearing, not understanding

1019
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: that might be the only thing, the best thing that

1020
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: they have to wear. I try to offer them some

1021
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: compassion and some respect up front because moving forward with

1022
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: you in this situation, and we got to deal with it, right,

1023
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: We got to deal with it. But I'm gonna try

1024
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: to offer you some humanity now, and that's what it

1025
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: because that way I can fix you before you leave here.

1026
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: Whatever time we got, I can help humanity and justice

1027
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: right Because I want to be clear that it doesn't

1028
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: mean you're gonna get what you want, right, but what

1029
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: you can be guaranteed about when you step into our

1030
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: courts is that you're gonna be treated fairly. Even if

1031
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: you don't get treated and get what you want, at

1032
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: least you can walk and say at least she hurt me,

1033
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: I think she was, you know, fair, because it was

1034
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: a time where you couldn't legitimately say that it was

1035
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: a fair process, Like I didn't get what I wanted

1036
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: any wasn't fair. It's like and he's condescending and rude. Judge.

1037
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: Um to the point that you were making about people,

1038
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: uh walking out, you know you might walk out. Let

1039
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: y'all messing with the money. When you do that, we

1040
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: destroyed the money money game. They're not happy about that.

1041
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: We stopped paying organizations just you know, you will give

1042
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: a fifty dollar feed to this organization and that organization,

1043
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: and you know we started asking, well, why do they

1044
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: get this money here? Oh, it was just an agreement.

1045
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be a part of. I mean, if

1046
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: that's just an agreement that you all make, meaning the

1047
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: parties make the state in the defense, if that's what

1048
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: you're making, and I won't bother your agreement. But it

1049
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: won't because I court ordered it and you put it

1050
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: on me, you know, funding these organizations, um uh, funding

1051
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: unnecessary things. When I have an opportunity to waive some fees,

1052
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: I do, because why are people still getting locked up

1053
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: because they can't pay you know, the court costs? Why

1054
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: why are they coming back? Because there are there are

1055
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: people there were people that were still coming back when

1056
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: I first got on the bench, that were ordered to

1057
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: come back to court. If they did not return having

1058
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: paid their court costs, they could be taking the expectations

1059
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: that they would be taken into custody. I'm sure myself,

1060
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: like everybody else, we satisfied those judgments. Let's just satisfy that.

1061
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean, and I get to just wave a magic

1062
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: wand and say, just consider that paid and send this

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Speaker 1: person on engaging people that just do not have the

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Speaker 1: ability to pay, and they were they lived under the

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Speaker 1: fear of I gotta get this paid by a certain time.

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Speaker 1: But I'm pulling blood from a turnip. I ain't got it.

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Speaker 1: So I got to go stand in front of this

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Speaker 1: judge and they're gonna put me back in jail because

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Speaker 1: I didn't have the three one dollars that it costs.

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Speaker 1: And we're working in a society now, we're in the

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Speaker 1: Great Resignation. We have people that just have fewer resources

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Speaker 1: than what they have before we even enter. There's so

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Speaker 1: many dynamics here that we have to take into consideration.

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Speaker 1: And so we're not going to penalize people because they

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Speaker 1: don't have money. That's not exactly that's not what the

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Speaker 1: system is about. That's not that's not equitable, it's not fair,

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Speaker 1: it's not just fixing the problem or trying to fix

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Speaker 1: the problem. Y'all go through your training programs. Uh do y'all?

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Speaker 1: Are y'all taught to leave police officers over citizens and

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Speaker 1: question with it? Know? The training that we get is, um,

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Speaker 1: we had to judge get in trouble for this one

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01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: round it what it what it is designed to do

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01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: is give you some basic legal foundations to be able

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Speaker 1: to take the bench on day one. That's what it does.

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Speaker 1: But it does not really go in to the substantive

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Speaker 1: intricacies of the trial process, or not even really the

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Speaker 1: law in of itself. So no to that question, they

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01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: don't teach us one way or another. Well, why is

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Speaker 1: it that? Why is it that when people get traffic

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Speaker 1: tickets and the police show up, it's it's damn man,

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Speaker 1: it's can't wait. He's like, police show up. You've been

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01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: looking at me in that way, and soon as you

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01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: keep voting, all right, man, I guess they're gonna take

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Speaker 1: the police off the word over mine nine episode of

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Speaker 1: the Town. You know, how does that happen? You know,

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Speaker 1: if if these if somebody got to be some kind

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Speaker 1: of training, you know, it's flipped. Now, you know, this

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Speaker 1: is compassion, this is this is fairness, you know, and

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Speaker 1: just because Bossman walk in, that don't mean nothing. Bossman

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01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: could have been lying, he could have been he could

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Speaker 1: have been uh profiling you bro with Bossman. Ain't bossman,

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Speaker 1: no more boss man boss related judge. Yeah, I definitely

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Speaker 1: want you guys to individually introduce yourself to the publish

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01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: so they don't know who they're voting for and how

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01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: important it is to vote for judges that have compassion,

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01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: that that that that represent you know, the law, you know,

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Speaker 1: represent what's really happening and how you can how they

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01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: can be helped and treated humane humanely. All you guys

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Speaker 1: are for re election, okay, So yeah, so douce yourself

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Speaker 1: and then in the name of the court. So my

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Speaker 1: name is Genesis drap from the Judge of Harris County

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Speaker 1: Criminal Court at Law number twelve. I mean I am

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Speaker 1: up for re election this November. And just real quick

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Speaker 1: to your point for people that are saying, well, what

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01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: does it matter, you know, I ain't gonna make a difference.

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01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: That's what they're counting on because we have the numbers,

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Speaker 1: and they know it. For one second, we rise up

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01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: use them numbers. It's a wrap. So they're hoping that

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Speaker 1: that's what people are thinking. And so if you're out

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Speaker 1: there thinking that, I just want you to know that

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01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: that is the strategy for the oppressor, is that you

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Speaker 1: will say it doesn't matter. My name is Judge Shannon Baldwin.

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Speaker 1: I'm the presiding judge for Harris County Criminal Court of

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Speaker 1: Law number four. UM. I don't even know what what

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Speaker 1: more to say in this. We said back in vote

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Speaker 1: like your life depended on it, because it does. Not.

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01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: Much has changed we are trying to make We've made

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Speaker 1: some strides to make life better when you come into

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Speaker 1: the criminal court house. We need your help to continue that.

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Speaker 1: We can't do it in four years, and they're doing

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Speaker 1: everything they can to push back all of the strides

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Speaker 1: that we've made. Don't let them do it. Tell you

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01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, get your family, get your friends, take a caravan,

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01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: take a bus to whatever you have to do, and

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01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: get to the polls. Early vote, Early vote, because they

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01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: will likely close down polling locations, they will change where

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01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: you're supposed to go vote. Um, they'll do everything they

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01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: have to do to prevent you from being able to vote.

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01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: Go vote, Take your family, your friends, get on social media.

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01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: Because everybody don't have a million dollars to give us

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01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 1: to run these campaigns. By the way, but you can

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01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: get on social media and you can follow these judges.

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01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: You can follow us, you can retweet, uh, you know,

1144
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: share the information that we put out, follow us. Hey,

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01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: get education from us. Right, We're gonna tell you about

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01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: the issues, but be share it with somebody. You share

1147
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: it with them, that's another person that's gonna come and vote. Educate,

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01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: get out there and support us and vote again. Shannon

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01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: for Schelle Bald when the B stands for back to

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01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: the bench, by the way, back to the come all back.

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01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 1: I'm a hometown girl. What else can I say? I'm

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01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,759
Speaker 1: born and raised right here, Texas, Trinity Garden, All Trinity

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Speaker 1: Garden people. That was me. I can't speak up in

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Speaker 1: the South Park. But look alace, so come on through. Yeah,

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01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: we need you, We need your support. We can't do

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01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 1: it without you. And in fact, we are here for you.

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01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: You never had nobody looking out for you, now you do.

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01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: Don't let them turn the clocks back exactly. I agree.

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Speaker 1: My name is Torria Finch, and I am proud to

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Speaker 1: be your presiding judge of Harris County. Coming the Court

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Speaker 1: at law number nine. If you heard something on this

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01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 1: this wonderful discussion, just you know, email man, I'm gonna

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01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: put my email out. That's probably dangerous, but I want

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01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: you to feel free to reach out to us and

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01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: invite us to maybe an event that you have, or

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01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 1: maybe there's some kind of church activity wherever you need

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01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: us to come to deliver the message, because what we

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01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: don't want is for their only source of information to

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01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: be from what they see on the news. That cannot

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Speaker 1: be the only medium. And so it's t O r

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Speaker 1: I A Torria at Torria, t O r I A.

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Speaker 1: Finch efics and Frank I n c H dot com,

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Speaker 1: Toria at Vote, It's um Toria at Vote, Toria Finch

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Speaker 1: dot com. If you email me, I've ben pass it

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01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,759
Speaker 1: on to my judicial sisters here and we'll come wherever

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01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,600
Speaker 1: you need us. But again, get out and vote. Just

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01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 1: because you got us in eighteen doesn't mean the work

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01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: is done. We gotta keep voting because our life always

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Speaker 1: depends on the vote. And thank you all so much

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Speaker 1: for having us here. Toria at Vote, Torrian Finch dot com.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, judge right. My name is Tanya Jones. I'm

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Speaker 1: the Presiding Judge of Harris County Criminal Court at Law

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Speaker 1: number fifteen. Has been an honor to serve as your

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Speaker 1: presiding judge for this first term, and I am up

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Speaker 1: for reelection. I am, UM a big believer in community

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01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: involvement and engagement. You all have heard me talk about

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01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,600
Speaker 1: where I'm from. I said loud and proud everywhere I go,

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01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: because I believe I leave in educating and empowering UM

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Speaker 1: and engaging from the community to the courtroom. So I

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01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: think that's important, and I think that UM, it is

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01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 1: important that you have judges that care about the communities

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Speaker 1: that they serve. Right. One of the things I appreciate

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Speaker 1: about my colleagues here is that we have been active

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Speaker 1: in the community. You don't just see us at Thanksgiving

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01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: time and give you a turkey and a smile. We disappear,

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Speaker 1: or we create policies that don't benefit the people that

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Speaker 1: we're asking for support from. But we remain in these communities, involved,

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Speaker 1: engaged UM and making sure that we make a difference.

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Speaker 1: And that's what's UM important. That's important to me because

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Speaker 1: when I go to church and when I go to

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Speaker 1: see my family on the weekends, I have to look

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Speaker 1: at those people in their face, and I have to

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01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: be accountable to them, you know, for what I do

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01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,600
Speaker 1: when I put that black role on. And so I

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01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: want to just let people know that it's important. Voting

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01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: is important, staying engaged is important because if you're not

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01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 1: at the table, you for sure on the menu. So

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01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: we have got to be We got to be at

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Speaker 1: the table. And I know that it is a situation

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Speaker 1: where for so long, you know, and it can be frustrating,

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01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 1: but for so long, you know, we have done all

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01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: that we can and you seem like you're not making

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01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: any headway, that things are not changing. But for sure,

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01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: if we're not taking part in the systems that we

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01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 1: want to change, they never ever will, okay. And so

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Speaker 1: it's important we need to be involved, in active at

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Speaker 1: every level of government. Precinct chairs, if your super neighborhood groups.

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Speaker 1: Everyone may not run for state representatives, may not run,

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01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, for some of these other offices, but you

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01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 1: can get involved, get active. Um, just spreading the word

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01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: amongst your community. That is important. That's what gets us

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Speaker 1: to where we need to be. So again, I am

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Speaker 1: Tanya Jones. I am your presiding Judge of Harris County

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Speaker 1: Criminal Court at Lan number fifteen South Park stand up

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Speaker 1: one more time like a plug real quick, and she

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Speaker 1: brought it up real quick. Okay. So bridging that gap

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Speaker 1: between the court and the community. It's not just something

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Speaker 1: we say, we actually have done that. The Misdemeanor Court

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Speaker 1: Center here has County created a community court. It's called

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Speaker 1: the Bayou City Community Court. It stands for bringing assistance

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Speaker 1: to you with outreach and understanding. It's a broad court

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01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: where you don't come to us, we come to you.

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Speaker 1: Our first initiative is the Fresh Start Program and what

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Speaker 1: it is it's a resource fair, but we provide vaccinations, uh,

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Speaker 1: job readiness, re entry programs, all the stuff that you

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Speaker 1: need to get back on your feet. If you're someone

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Speaker 1: that's been in the system and you had a misdemeanor

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Speaker 1: defer probation adjudication that you completed, you can come there

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Speaker 1: and sign up to get registered to be screened for

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Speaker 1: a possible nondisclosure. A nondisclosure means that if you're eligible

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Speaker 1: in the order is signed, it comes off your record

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01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: that no one so no one sees it other than

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Speaker 1: law enforcement because they keep everything right. So the Fresh

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Speaker 1: Start Program is what we're doing to try to meet

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Speaker 1: the community where they are to help them get back

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Speaker 1: on their feet. Misdemean of court. So if you did

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Speaker 1: a deferred adjudication, it's the probation that you do that

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Speaker 1: avoids a conviction. Some people think that just because you

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01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: complete it deferred, it's done. No, it's not. It's still

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Speaker 1: on your record until you take action to follow a

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Speaker 1: petition for nondisclosure and the judge signs it. Well, instead

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Speaker 1: of waiting on you, we partnered with a lot of

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Speaker 1: county partners that are willing to come to you. We

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Speaker 1: have our next event. I think it's gonna be July

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Speaker 1: the thirties. I'll send it to you so y'all can

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Speaker 1: hopefully pub it come out. Everything is free. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: have a back to school component working with our county

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Speaker 1: partners that get backpack school supplies, vaccinations, immunization, immunizations. I

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Speaker 1: can't even say it immunizations, thinking some tied too much

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Speaker 1: going only then, but that's what your county courts are doing.

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Speaker 1: We've never had that kind of stuff going on. So

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Speaker 1: these are the kind of judges that you have people

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Speaker 1: for the people that you have the kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: going on. Because the preachers dot. I'm a yeah, look

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Speaker 1: before we get off, I can't get off without saying

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Speaker 1: when I was getting ready to come here. You know,

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Speaker 1: my husband, Brandon, he never never asked about any kind

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Speaker 1: of campaign if or anything like that. And he saw

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Speaker 1: on our family calendar that I was gonna be on

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Speaker 1: the Ghetto Boys Reloaded. Oh, he had a million questions.

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Speaker 1: You all should know. He's been riding with y'all a

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Speaker 1: long time back in Action day. He wanted me to

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Speaker 1: very hard too. Yeah, question that I wanted to ask

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Speaker 1: you guys if I should ask you soon, but no here,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted them to. I want to people to

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Speaker 1: know who they worry because this is important here with me,

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Speaker 1: this is very important. Um. You know Kavanaugh, you know

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Speaker 1: Judge Kavanagh, Spreme Court Justice h A man recently came

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Speaker 1: to his house and threatened him, threatened to kill him.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys ever worry about your safety? Absolutely, especially

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01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 1: in this climate. Yes. People don't understand that when when

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01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: we have these opposite keep calling the oppositional people in

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01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 1: the media are putting this false information, they place our

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Speaker 1: lives at risk. You know, that's just the kind of

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01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,799
Speaker 1: era that we're living in. You know, we are constant

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Speaker 1: targets and it's just not right. We have mothers sitting

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Speaker 1: at this table. Wives. You know, we're real people, and

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Speaker 1: so every day we leave it is a concern, right

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Speaker 1: because sometimes all people get is what they see, and

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01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: if they think that we were a threat to them,

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01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: then what are they gonna do? What can you do

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Speaker 1: to combat it? Though in the meanwhile, I'm just trying

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01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: to toss the gun carrier. We don't we don't really

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01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: label the cars and the things like that, which which

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01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 1: when we first ran, you know, I put my face

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Speaker 1: in my all my stuff campaign all over my car.

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Speaker 1: Right this time, I have to tell you how I'm

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01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 1: thinking twice about something like that, because I mean, I

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Speaker 1: have a young child and then she's riding with me.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to put her in danger for something

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Speaker 1: like that, just because somebody thinking judge, all judges are

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01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: bad and they're harming us until we gotta take out

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01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: the They don't think all judges are bad, just the

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Speaker 1: black ones. Well, they don't think that because they ain't

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01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 1: killed nobody all this time, all right, they ain't. Didn't

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01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 1: ain't they beat up nobody, ain't rolled up on nobody else.

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01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: House all this time, so they ain't worried about all

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01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: of that. What what what you're dealing with the only

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01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: kind of people that have that type of mentality of

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Speaker 1: uncivilized munds. He's an uncivilized much just like the dude

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Speaker 1: who ran up and kill them people at the Tops

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Speaker 1: grocery store in Buffalo. He's an uncivilized mutt. Right. These

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01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: are people who cannot perform, you know, around civilized people,

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01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 1: so they act uncivilized and maybe they commit uncivilized acts.

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Speaker 1: They're not really regular human people, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: They're not. They're They're the type of people that need

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01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 1: to be put down. And so uh look, if you're

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01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 1: around me, like you're around me right now and they

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01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: run up, they're gonna get done up. You did what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying for real, because that's how we rock. But

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Speaker 1: they count on they count on stuff like that. You know,

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01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 1: they count on trying to instill fear. If you think

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Speaker 1: about it, that's the only way that they were able to,

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01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 1: you know, hold our people and bondish for so long.

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01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: You know, they fear at the same time run around

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01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: and try to act like they can't at the same time.

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01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 1: It's like they create chaos and then try to swoop

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Speaker 1: in and play the hero. That's you said, you said

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01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 1: something to me that really stuck man, And I want

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01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 1: you to know that you said, Man, if his life

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01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: was so great, then why would he tell that story again? Man,

1332
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 1: like like so great and fantastic? Why would you be

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01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 1: so called white supremacists? Right? They called themselves white supremacists,

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Speaker 1: like the guy who did the shooting in Buffalo. Right,

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Speaker 1: they called themselves white supremacists. And they said, well, I

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01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: did this to preserve the white race. No, you didn't.

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01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: You did it because you couldn't hack it. You couldn't

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01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 1: have life, You couldn't deal with the rejection. You ain't

1339
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: had no woman. You're not good with women. All these

1340
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: dudes for the same kind of profile. They're not good

1341
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: with women. They don't have friends, Uh, at least not

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01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 1: not the friends that they want. Uh. They're socially awkward.

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01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: Usually they're in bad shape, like physically. Uh. These are

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01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 1: these are people who try to say that they're superior. Right,

1345
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 1: But if you're superior, you would not ruin your life

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01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:50,560
Speaker 1: throw your life away for people that you feel are inferior, Like,

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01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:52,680
Speaker 1: you wouldn't just throw your life away, Like, if I

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01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 1: thought I was above you, who, why would I go

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01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 1: and do something to you? You're yeah significant to me,

1350
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 1: I think about you. Why I worried about you? So

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01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:05,560
Speaker 1: if I think I'm so above you, why would I

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01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 1: throw my life away for bringing you harm? Why would

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01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 1: I do that? I wouldn't because I feel superior. They

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01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 1: don't feel superior. They're not white supremacists, the white in

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01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 1: theory artists, all right, That's what they are, is that

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01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 1: inferiority complex that they have that make them behave the

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01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: way that they do when they just take guns and

1358
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: go out and then discriminately just kill people for no reason. Right.

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Speaker 1: So the thing is that all of us, we we

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01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 1: are who we are based on a conditioning right, most

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01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: of us, however, we're conditioned. That's how we're gonna be right.

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Speaker 1: And so our strongest convictions that we have in life

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01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: come from people who look like us. All of these

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01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 1: people that talk called themselves white supremacists, and they hate

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Speaker 1: black people honestly, so, more than likely, if they were abused,

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Speaker 1: they were abused by a white person. If they were

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01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 1: cheated on, they were cheated on by a white person.

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Speaker 1: If they were betrayed, by a friend. That betrayal probably

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01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: came from a white person. If they was chased home

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Speaker 1: from school or bullet they would probably bulleted by a

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Speaker 1: white person. If they loaned somebody some money who didn't

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Speaker 1: pay them back, it was probably somebody white. Right, These

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01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: are white people who gave you your strongest convictions. That

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01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 1: makes that that that have that have uh contributed to

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01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: uh anxiety in your life right and contributed to setbacks,

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01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 1: you know. So why is it that you don't hate them?

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01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 1: Because see that's too much like right you got you're

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01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: gonna hate these people who ain't never really people that

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01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 1: ain't never did nothing to you, But you're gonna let

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Speaker 1: them make it over here. See, you're gonna run out

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01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:01,639
Speaker 1: of motherfuckers they hate. That's why you won't hate them.

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Speaker 1: That's why you ain't gonna do nothing to them, because

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01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you're gonna run out of people

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01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: to hate. So they're hypocritical. I know who they are,

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Speaker 1: I know them. They don't scare them, don't scare me

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Speaker 1: at all. I know him for real, been around him.

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Speaker 1: That cowards. They don't civilize much and they're not superior

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01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 1: at all at all. Because when I look at him,

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01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:30,600
Speaker 1: I sing, I look at him like, you know, a

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01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 1: little flick, little fleas. You know what I'm saying, because

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01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 1: that's what they are. And and when you call him

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01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 1: out for exactly who they are, they get it because

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01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 1: they have no rebuttal. And I said, if you was,

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Speaker 1: because I know y'all like those. Yeah, I'm not watching

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01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 1: watching my good friend turn into me. I remember, I

1396
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 1: remember we had a conversation on the phone with this

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01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: guy and I went off off off bad, and we

1398
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,600
Speaker 1: really called me back. Man, you gotta chill out on that,

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01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, Man, you gotta cut that out. Made me

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01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:16,639
Speaker 1: like Willie, No, I think you went too fun, Willie.

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01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 1: You know it's mad about something. You were mad about

1402
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 1: something else, man, and you just just lost it. Really,

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01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 1: he was putting us in the he was playing that

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01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 1: role on us. We talked about it. Indeed, were I

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01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: did go off And now I'm watching my partner, you know, uh,

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01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 1: seven years later, see what I feel how I felt

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01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: back then? I felt like that. But you he said, though, Willie,

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01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 1: I just said, I just said. You didn't see that

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01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 1: him either, because I didn't have a beef with him,

1410
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 1: like I didn't have a grind like you did. Thank

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01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: you guys coming over the show. I will spend I'm

1412
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 1: so proud of you, thank you and everyone. Thank you

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01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 1: so much for being our judges. And I look forward

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01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: to not ever coming into your courtroom, but right thank

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01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 1: you for years ago at the show that we had. Yeah,

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01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:27,719
Speaker 1: we had a big concertman, who was the old school concert? Quick?

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Speaker 1: Good apologic, Yeah show you played the old school show.

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Speaker 1: I mean I thought we agree that we wasn't gonna

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01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 1: play old school show. It was legends, legends, the legendary

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01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 1: stage and let us you know, introduced and just let

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01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 1: folks know. And then we were running and that was huge,

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01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 1: major and posted us on social media big time, and yes,

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Speaker 1: what what I gonna do that again? You know, That's

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01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 1: what I'm talking to appreciate because it's it's it's imperative

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01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 1: that we have people that that that that speak for us,

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01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: to actually speak for us, you know what I mean

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01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 1: that represents, to represent us, because we are in a

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01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: situation now that's way worse than it's ever been, way worse.

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01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 1: If someone can be convicted, not convicted, but but but

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01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 1: prosecuted over what they said in one of these songs,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave that we mean we're gonna talk nomal talk,

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Speaker 1: nomal talks. This episode was produced by Aching and brought

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