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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. This week's guest Honorbon Lahiri one of the

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Speaker 1: really good, good guys in professional golf, and he has

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Speaker 1: an amazing story. He's kind of come up through the ranks,

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Speaker 1: grew up in India and has played basically as many

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Speaker 1: tours as you can play. And he's one of those

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Speaker 1: players that has been a globetrotter his whole career, and

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Speaker 1: he has a very unique story on how he came

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Speaker 1: to golf out of a country that really is a

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Speaker 1: golf powerhouse. But I'm a huge fan. I like the

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Speaker 1: way he plays golf. He's a little bit of a throwback,

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Speaker 1: very much an old school kind of player, has all

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Speaker 1: the shots, isn't very very technical, and it's a really

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Speaker 1: good kind of a deep dive into a player that

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Speaker 1: kind of is more of an artist as opposed to

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Speaker 1: someone that is kind of a technician. And I think

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Speaker 1: the game is better for players like Honorbon. He's got

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Speaker 1: a great story and I think everyone's going to enjoy

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Speaker 1: listening to Honorbon. I guess today Honor ban Laharyt eighteen

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Speaker 1: professional wins all over the World on all these different tours.

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Speaker 1: But I want to go back to the start because

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Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people that aren't from

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Speaker 1: India listening will have any concept as to just how

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Speaker 1: big cricket is in your countries.

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Speaker 2: So the fact that you actually became a.

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Speaker 1: Golfer and played golf, how did you choose golf? And

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Speaker 1: why did you choose golf? Because everybody in India is cricket.

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Speaker 1: It is such a massive, massive part of your countries

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Speaker 1: with culture in history, and for you to choose golf

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Speaker 1: and choose it as a profession and make your way, play.

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Speaker 2: On the Asian tool, play on the European tool, play

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Speaker 2: PGA tool and now bring on live. It's a really

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Speaker 2: interesting story. But how did you get your start in golf? Lord?

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. Yeah, if I trace back my

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Speaker 3: origin to golf, it basically boils down to the fact

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Speaker 3: that I was fortunate enough to be an Ami brat.

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Speaker 3: You know, my dad served It's well known fact, and

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Speaker 3: most of the golf courses in India even to this

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Speaker 3: day with the armed forces. So I had the luxury

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Speaker 3: I mean, if that wasn't the case. I mean, iver,

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Speaker 3: I've played the sport, but I grew up playing everything.

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Speaker 3: I played. Soccer football is still very popular. Cricket, of course,

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Speaker 3: is the religion golf. So I was actually a big

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Speaker 3: team sports kid. You know. I loved playing team sports.

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Speaker 3: I loved hanging out. Everybody does. But right around when

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Speaker 3: I got to about ten or eleven, I started getting

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Speaker 3: train and went to Calcutta, which is where my grandparents

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Speaker 3: And I was I think I was eleven, and I

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Speaker 3: because I was the only kid playing with my dad

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Speaker 3: and his fellow officer friends. And you know, it was

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Speaker 3: strange for me to see other kids play because I

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Speaker 3: And then that was really cool. I got into golf

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Speaker 3: because it gave me an opportunity to you know, get out,

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Speaker 3: And then when I got to about fourteen is when

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Speaker 3: I had to make a big decision. Because my dad's

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Speaker 3: is huge. It's almost fundamental in our culture and our subculture,

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Speaker 2: Who were your heroes?

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Speaker 1: Were they golfers or were they other sporting figures, because

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Speaker 1: obviously there were golfers before Jeep Nokasi yes, Jochi Rendawa

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Speaker 1: their origin out. Well, there were players that had made

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Speaker 3: Outside of Indian I looked up to a lot of

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Speaker 3: Michael Schumacher was someone I was like a fanboy off

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Speaker 3: But yeah, as far as golf was concerned, obviously, Jeeve

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Speaker 3: I would say, uh. And then outside of Indian golfers,

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Speaker 3: you know, he came from nothing essentially, pretty much like

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Speaker 1: When did you decide that, okay, professional golf is something

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Speaker 1: now going to turn pro and try and become a

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Speaker 1: professional golfer. What age did that kind of materialize in

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Speaker 2: Here I go.

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Speaker 3: Actually, it happened very organically, and it happened quite late.

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Speaker 3: And then at eighteen, I moved to Bangalore to work

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Speaker 3: with my coach Vijadevich, a full time who I continue

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Speaker 3: And when I started working with him, the whole idea

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Speaker 3: We want to get on the amateur team. We want

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Speaker 3: And then it was always with a review, you know,

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Speaker 3: Now you've got to remember that I was still doing

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Speaker 3: And I did that for three four years. But in

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Speaker 3: So my development between the age of eighteen and twenty

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Speaker 1: It's interesting that you felt like most people would say, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Why did you feel like that hold you.

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Speaker 3: Because that's that's the reason why I play golf even today.

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Speaker 3: The reason why I play golf is I want to

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Speaker 3: push myself to get better. That was the whole intention

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Speaker 3: with which I moved to Bangalore, the whole intention with

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Speaker 3: which my coach and I have worked my entire life.

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Speaker 3: Is why do I play the game? I want to.

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Speaker 3: I play the game to see if I can push

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Speaker 3: myself to be better than what I am today or

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Speaker 3: what I think i'm capable of. Like I might think

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Speaker 3: today that I'm capable of shooting a certain number of

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Speaker 3: hitting certain golf shots or having you know whatever. But

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Speaker 3: am I actually capable of more? Can I develop my

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Speaker 3: And That's what I love about the game because it's endless.

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Speaker 3: You know this, You've done this for so many years

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Speaker 3: not even I'm not even in that league, but I

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Speaker 3: So for me, it was about putting myself in an

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Speaker 3: kept playing AMDA golf. So we literally sat down and said, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I guess I might as well turn pro because you know,

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Speaker 3: now I'm gonna have new challenges and I'm gonna have

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Speaker 3: guys who don't swing it as good as me, don't

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Speaker 3: Because that's what happens when you initially turn pro. You

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Speaker 3: when you learn the hard lessons of life that pro

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Speaker 3: There's so many nuances, you know, like when you start

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Speaker 2: Then you can plan your life.

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Speaker 3: tournament in golf, regardless of which Q school you are playing.

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Speaker 3: So eleven, I got my first win, and then I

434
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Speaker 3: followed up with a win in twelve, followed up with

435
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Speaker 3: a win in thirteen. So I won once every year

436
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 3: those three years, and I started then getting exempt into

437
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Speaker 3: the CO sanctioned events into Europe. So again that same

438
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 3: cycle of oh, I'm good and then playing at a

439
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 3: higher level and feeling like I'm absolute crap happened all

440
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Speaker 3: over again. I still remember having a conversation a few

441
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 3: years back with someone in America who followed my career

442
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 3: and said, you had a really good European to our career.

443
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know what, why don't you go in

444
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 3: check my first fifteen or eighteen starts in Europe. I

445
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: think I missed the first I missed about eighty percent

446
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 3: of the cuts of the first fourteen or fifteen starts

447
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 3: in Europe. But like really, I'm like, yeah, you don't

448
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,719
Speaker 3: understand the cycle that you that I had to go

449
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 3: through to get better and I had to keep You know,

450
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 3: for me, failures have been the most most important part

451
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 3: of my career because I've just gone back to the

452
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 3: drawing board and said, all right, let's set the bar higher.

453
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Speaker 3: Let's change the definition of good. Let's change the definition

454
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Speaker 3: of you know, how I want to play and who

455
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 3: I want to be as a golfer. And I've done that.

456
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 3: I do that to this day, and you just have

457
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: to keep doing that otherwise otherwise you're not going to

458
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Speaker 3: get better.

459
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Speaker 1: What was it like winning the Hero Indian Masters. Which

460
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Speaker 1: course was it on? It was on del Golf Club,

461
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 1: Deli Golf Club, which is an iconic school kind of

462
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 1: really one of the cool, cool places that if you

463
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Speaker 1: ever get a chance to play Deli Golf Club, I mean,

464
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 1: it's watch out. Don't go looking for your balls in

465
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Speaker 1: the rough, because you'll find the cobra.

466
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Speaker 3: It was to this day. I think it's probably one

467
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Speaker 3: of my most, if not the most special special win

468
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 3: for me, not just because it's my National Open and

469
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 3: I look at it as my fifth major, but also

470
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 3: because I came from seven back and I was probably

471
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 3: the favorite going into the week, and there was a

472
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: lot of pressure and I still remember, you know, I played.

473
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 3: I started on Thursday, started really poorly, and I was like, man,

474
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 3: I got to play better. Everybody expects me to play better.

475
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 3: All these people are walking with me there because I

476
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 3: was by by far, you know, the leading Indian professional

477
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Speaker 3: at the time. I was already I think sixtieth in

478
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 3: the world or sixty fifth in the world at the

479
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 3: time because I had won Malaysia two weeks ago. I

480
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: had I had been in the top hundred in the

481
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 3: world for two and a half years straight anyway, So

482
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Speaker 3: I was playing consistently wherever I was playing. But and

483
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 3: I remember there was I never felt pressure like that

484
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 3: outside of just me wanting to do well. And then

485
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Speaker 3: I remember Saturday, my family was there, my wife was there,

486
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 3: my my parents were there, and the Saturday night before

487
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 3: I was like, man, i'm seven back, it's probably you know,

488
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 3: out of reach and SSP is leading, so you're not

489
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 3: going to catch him. So I might as well just

490
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 3: go out and just you know, give it everything I

491
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 3: got and just enjoy it and just soak it all in.

492
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: And luckily for me, it was I mean, you've been

493
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 3: to Deli Golf Club. It was one of the windiest

494
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 3: days ever and that golf course on a windy day,

495
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's like, that's why I Liken Valdorama

496
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: to it because it's a lot like that. If it

497
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 3: gets windy and swirly, you know, fairways get six eighty

498
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 3: yards wide because it's firm and fast. You just there's

499
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 3: no miss And I went out and I played out

500
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Speaker 3: of my mind to shoot. I think I shot three

501
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 3: under that day and I think that was There's only

502
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 3: three scores under power the whole day. It was that

503
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 3: hard and I think SSP, playing an hour and a

504
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 3: half or two hours behind me, ended up shooting three

505
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 3: or four four over I think. And then we went

506
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 3: into a playoff and I won the playoff and it

507
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 3: was amazing for me to do that in front of

508
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 3: a home crowd, my parents, my wife. I got married

509
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 3: in fourteen, so this was the first Indian Open that

510
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 3: my wife had come out with me too, so it

511
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 3: was very very special. It also catapulted me into the

512
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 3: top fifty in the world. You know. Suddenly the Monday after,

513
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 3: you know, my manager and I are talking about, Okay,

514
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 3: are we going to you know what other twelve starts.

515
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: I'm going to play on the US tour because you've

516
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 3: got the four wgc's, you got the majors. Do you

517
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: want to play Houston? Do you want to play? You know,

518
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: So it was it was like, hang on a second,

519
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 3: what's going on?

520
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: You know?

521
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: My whole world flipped after that event.

522
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: And then because back then top fifty was if you

523
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: were outside of it, weren't on the PGA Tour kind

524
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: of at that time, top fifty was the holy ground.

525
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: Top fifty got you all the WGCs and got you

526
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: into all four major sees, and.

527
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 3: They got your four more starts on the PGA too.

528
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: So you knew as an international player, if you were

529
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: playing on the old European Tour which is now DP,

530
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: if you were in Asia, if you were top fifty

531
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Speaker 1: in the world, you knew that you were going to

532
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: be playing golf on the biggest.

533
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Speaker 2: Stay it was.

534
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 3: It was it was a secondary route to the pgator.

535
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, the WGC is no cut and no you're going

536
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: to get guaranteed money. So the money that you're going

537
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: to make and that you have one.

538
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: Good WGC and it helps a lot, It helps a lot.

539
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 3: You got half your card because I still remember that

540
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 3: year twenty fifteen, This was twenty fifteen. That year was

541
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 3: the last year the pediator still did both money and

542
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: points to keep your card, so it was like, okay,

543
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: here's my op I mean, I've obviously earned it. I've

544
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 3: played two and a half years of consistent golf to

545
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: stay in the top one hundred. Then I've gone in

546
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 3: one Malaysia, then I finished I think tenth or twelfth,

547
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 3: and the one European Tour event in between, and then

548
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 3: I won this. I'm like, okay, here's my chance. I'm

549
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 3: and I'm playing well. So you want to actually play

550
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: these events when you're playing well. So yeah, everything changed

551
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: after that. Played my first players that year, you know,

552
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 3: first every well, not majors. I'd already played a bunch

553
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 3: of majors by then. But then later that year I

554
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: finished fifth at Whistling Straits at the BG.

555
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: The Masters, you were only the third Indian to play

556
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: in the Masters, but Jeeve and Argent had played before you.

557
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: What was it like, did you feel that I can't

558
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: think as a player? I mean I felt like that.

559
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: In four I was working with Trevor INMOMEN and Trevor

560
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: qualified for the Masters, and the first time I'd ever

561
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: been to the Masters as an instructor with a player,

562
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: and there is that feeling that the Masters holds this

563
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: kind of the first major of the year. But I

564
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: felt like, Okay.

565
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 3: I've done something.

566
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: I've done something, I've made it.

567
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: Not that I've arrived, No, No, I'm now in a

568
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: different place as a player. When you qualify for your

569
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: first Masters, Is it what I think it would be

570
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: in your head to where you go okay.

571
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean it is that and

572
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: a whole lot more, because it's so funny, Like after

573
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: I won the Indian Open, it was I couldn't fall

574
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: out of the fifty well at least for the rest

575
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 3: of the year. So I knew I was going to

576
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: Augusta and literally the first thing that some of my

577
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: friends did is, Hey, are you coming over? We're going

578
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: to play Pgator two thousand and one and go over

579
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 3: the slopes on the greens at Augusta because we used

580
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: to play, you know, video games, and we were playing

581
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: Augusta National, and all my friends knew all the slopes

582
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: and the yardages and pin positions and all of that,

583
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: as did I from watching, and you know, so it's

584
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 3: it's there's so much to it. As a kid, you

585
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: grow up wanting to play the Open, you grow up

586
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: wanting to play the Masters. I think these two are

587
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 3: the off, the four Majors are the two probably that

588
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: stand out in the imagination of a young, young golfer,

589
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: and then going to my first Masters was Yeah, it

590
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: was all that. Definitely, it was all that and more.

591
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: Is it hard your first time at Augusta.

592
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: To not be in awe?

593
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: Of course the whole thing, because you want to soak

594
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: in the experience.

595
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,479
Speaker 3: Yes, right, it it is overwhelming. I'd be lying if

596
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: I said it's not. But the bigger challenge for me

597
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: was not so much just everything that was going on.

598
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: It was alien conditions. You know. I had not really

599
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: played a lot of golf on ben Cross, I had

600
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: not played a lot of golf on rye grass, you know.

601
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 3: So for me, understanding the conditions, understanding what Augusta demands

602
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: of you, was probably a bigger challenge than everything else.

603
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: Just I was ill equipped to handle it. I barely

604
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: played on greens that ran more than eleven, you know,

605
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: and then you go to Augusta and you're putting on

606
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: glass and you're like, Okay, how do I aim this

607
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 3: five foot or three feet out? You're just not used

608
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 3: to it, you know. So a lot of it was

609
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 3: counterintuitive for me. I'd never really like if I if

610
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 3: I go now, I'd be much more at home, because

611
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: now I've had a decade almost of playing conditions like

612
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: that week in, week out. At that point of time,

613
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 3: it was alien like. When I came to the US

614
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen, I used to have have three wedges,

615
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: three woods. Three I and through pitching wedge right and

616
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: I was like, Man, I need a gap page because

617
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: I'm spinning these way too much. The greens that we

618
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: play in Asia and Europe, they don't spin as much.

619
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: You know, you can you can hit a full board

620
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 3: sandwich and it probably takes a hop and spins back

621
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: three feet out here, it's coming back twenty five off

622
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: the green, essentially into the front bunker or water or whatever.

623
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: So there were so many technical challenges that I had

624
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: to overcome. You were hitting more shots from one hundred

625
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 3: and ninety five to two twenty five to elevated greens. Now,

626
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: a standard three iron that most people hit an eye

627
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 3: hit would not hold these greens. So I'm like, I

628
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: need to get a higher launching you know, four I

629
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: I need to put a gap page in place. I

630
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: need to find a five wood that does this or

631
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: you know. So I had to completely restructure my equipment,

632
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: completely restructure my golf bag. And you mentioned I turned

633
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 3: onund two thousand and seven, eight years into being a pro.

634
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 3: I have to relearn how to, you know, manage my

635
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 3: entire golf back. That's a big deal.

636
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So, and that's condition based because all of

637
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: a sudden, the conditions you're going to play on the

638
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: PGA Tour are just so completely different than what you

639
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: played before.

640
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: I rocked up. I remember a year before that. I

641
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: rocked up at Valhalla in twenty fourteen, and literally I

642
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: was hitting chips from the rough clueless, and then I

643
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: asked someone like, what is Oh this is Kentucky bluegrass.

644
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: What is that? I've never seen bluegrass in my life. Oh,

645
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: it's way more sticky, it's more dense. You need more bounds.

646
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, hang on, I've only played low bounds because

647
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 3: we played Bermuda in Asia. What am I supposed to do? Well,

648
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: go to the truck, get another wedge. I'm like, oh, shoot,

649
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 3: now I got to start from scratch and my technique

650
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: goes out the window. I need to have a different

651
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: technique to come out of this. So it's like literally

652
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 3: this Tuesday off, you know, PG Championship Week. So the

653
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: challenge is that I had, I had to face and

654
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,719
Speaker 3: I had to overcome even while moving to the US.

655
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: Outside of the food, the culture, this that just golf.

656
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: What is It's so hard to put into words. And

657
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: now when I look back, I'm so glad because I

658
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: can safely say I'm one of the most versatile professional

659
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: golfers in the world because you could put me in

660
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 3: any condition and I know how to deal with it

661
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 3: because I did everything else outside of America before I

662
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 3: came here, and over the last decade I've honed my

663
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: skills in the US. So now you give me any conditions.

664
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Speaker 3: You give me rain, you can be rain, you can

665
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: be cold. You give me heat, you give me desert,

666
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 3: you give me whatever tropical. I know what to do.

667
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: I know what clubs to use, I know what shots

668
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: to hit, and that's how I've grown.

669
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Speaker 1: Given the current state of you know, professional golf where

670
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: it is today, live in the PGA tool and all

671
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: of that, I think you will be one of the

672
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: last kind of throwbacks to kind of come through. Yeah,

673
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: starting the Indian Tour, which got you to the Asian Tour,

674
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: which allowed you to play some of the co sanction

675
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: events on the European Tour at that time, which got

676
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: you European Tour status, which eventually got you.

677
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: To the PGA Tour.

678
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: And now how you've made the choice to play on

679
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: so you're one of the players that it's basically other

680
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: than Japan and playing full time in Japan and playing

681
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: in South Africa. I'm sure you've played in South Africa.

682
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: Have you played in Japan?

683
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 3: I have? Yeah, So there isn't really in Australia, there's

684
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: really any and.

685
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: I think we're going to miss the fact that there

686
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: will be. You know, Tom Kim is probably the last.

687
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 3: I was going to say, I was going to say

688
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 3: doms Dom's essentially he's going to be the.

689
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: Last of the guys that were able to come through

690
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: the ranks.

691
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 3: He's going to be the case study in the years

692
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 3: to come because he will be the last guy to

693
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 3: have actually benefited from a cohesive system that allows people

694
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: to come through the ranks, because that system's broken.

695
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen was also you made the President's Cup team

696
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: Jason Day, Louis States, and Adam Scott.

697
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: A decage.

698
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 3: I mean it was stacked, Yeah.

699
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 2: I mean you got I mean I thought you guys

700
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 2: were going to win.

701
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: What's that first team competition like for the international team kJ,

702
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: you know, being big part of that.

703
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: Pricey was amazing, Icy was amazing.

704
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: And you guys, I mean until saying laid this order

705
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: over the chip on the front of the I mean,

706
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: it looked like you guys were gonna wait, what was

707
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: that weight?

708
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 3: Like it was It was like a fairy tale, honestly,

709
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 3: you know, because here I am just you know, grinding

710
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: away eight nine nine months before that, Like go back

711
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 3: to January of twenty fifteen. I just I had to

712
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 3: go back to Q school in twenty fourteen to get

713
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 3: my card full card in Europe. I had exemptions into

714
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: CO sanctions, but I wanted full status status again like

715
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 3: we talked about. So I got my status in twenty fourteen.

716
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: Twenty fifteen, I didn't get into the Dubiate as a classic.

717
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: I was waiting for an invite. It didn't come through,

718
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 3: and it pissed me off, and it pissed me off

719
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 3: so much that I went and I said, I'm going

720
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: to show these guys and I went and won, and

721
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 3: literally from that January, sitting in my house in Bangalore,

722
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: getting frustrated and angry and sort of like just like

723
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: building this energy that I'm going to do something to

724
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 3: Being in Korea nine months later, it's it's wild. You

725
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 3: know where my life went in those six to nine

726
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: months is insane. I've made some of the best friends.

727
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 3: I'm still I'm fortunate that a lot of these names

728
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: that you mentioned are still here with me at liv In. Fact,

729
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: some of them are the first guys to move over,

730
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 3: which is another story, because you know, my friends suddenly

731
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 3: started leaving the PGA tour and I started scratching my head.

732
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe I should go too. But you know,

733
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: friends for life experience that I will never first.

734
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: Seen competitions really do I think bond? Yeah, And you

735
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: know that it's different than normal.

736
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 3: And when you're an underdog and no one expects stuff

737
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: from you, you know you have that chip on the

738
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: shoulder you don't even have to look for motivation. Uh.

739
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 3: And you know, even though I haven't been a part

740
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 3: of the last couple of Presidents Cups, I've you know,

741
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: still cheered, cheered and felt every every part every effort

742
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: that they've made Australia. They came really close. I know

743
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: what it means to you know, someone like a Scottie.

744
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: I know what it means to Ernie and know what

745
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 3: it means because I've been in that same dressing room

746
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 3: and you know, blood, sweat and tears. So it's amazing.

747
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 3: I think team competition is is brilliant and that's why

748
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: we're here.

749
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: You made the President's Cup team in seventeen. Yeah, we

750
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: just had the Olympics. You were part of the Olympics

751
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: in sixteen, kind of the first Olympics where golf was

752
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: in down in Rio and then in twenty one in Tokyo.

753
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: That first experience with golf in the Olympics in Rio,

754
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: did it feel strange?

755
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: Was? Yeah, it was weird. It was. It was weird

756
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 3: in a good way because you never really imagined yourself

757
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: being in an Olympic village. I had been a part

758
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: of the Asian Games way back in two thousand and

759
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 3: six as an amateur, so I had some kind of

760
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: an idea of what it was likely to be. But

761
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: the Olympics was Is that a whole whole different level altogether.

762
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: You know, you're just sitting there in the in the village,

763
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: dining hall, tent, whatever you want to call it, and

764
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 3: you have will saying boldwalk by you with his food,

765
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 3: and you're like, hang on a second, is that who

766
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 3: I think it is? Or is that Michael Phelps or

767
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 3: is that you know? These are these are iconic, legendary

768
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: goats of their craft. And it's not just these individuals,

769
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: it's the entire energy of the place. You go in

770
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 3: there and there's a different buzz, you know, you you

771
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 3: feel so inconsequential. And I think one of some of

772
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 3: my best memories from Rio and even Tokyo was just

773
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 3: interacting with some of the other athletes and listening to

774
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 3: their stories, listening to their challenges. I mean, every almost

775
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: every single athlete, and you can imagine how many athletes

776
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: make in Olympic Games. Every single athlete has a story

777
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 3: that can be made into a movie. You know. It's

778
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: literally jaw dropping or inspiring, tear jerking and you're like, man,

779
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: sacrifices and you go like, man, I've had it so

780
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 3: easy compared to these guys. And when I tell people

781
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: of everything that I've had to go through, they go, man,

782
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: You've had a really tough I'm like, no, no, no, no,

783
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: You've got no idea. There's you know what we guys

784
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 3: have gone through and then there's what some of those

785
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 3: guys have gone through to only have one opportunity every

786
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: four years. We have fourteen live events or thirty regulator

787
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: events that you might play in a year. These guys,

788
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 3: their entire life, their entire career, their entire dedication is all,

789
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 3: you know, distilled into thirty minutes every four years. I mean,

790
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: it's it's very difficult to as a professional athlete to

791
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: wrap your head around that, and especially with what we do,

792
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: because we get so many opportunities to go out and

793
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 3: you know, showcase our skills. So my respect for Olympians

794
00:39:53,680 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 3: is is is of the highest regard, and it's equally annoying,

795
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 3: frustrating and aggravating when people who don't understand or can't

796
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 3: comprehend what that is sit around and judge, you know,

797
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: athletes on their performance or lack off or failures. And

798
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: you know, every time after the Olympics, when there's an

799
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 3: aftermath on TV or in the media, it's nothing that

800
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: pains me more because it's it's just something that is

801
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 3: difficult to make people understand because it's you can't. You can't,

802
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 3: but you know, that's the way the world works.

803
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: I think always around the Olympics time. Now with social media,

804
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: there's always those means where it's someone sitting on their couch,

805
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, eating potato chips saying, oh yeah, that's I

806
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: can easily see that's a two point deduction. I can't

807
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: believe she didn't stick the landing.

808
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: It's always you.

809
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: Know, at the end of the day, I guess as athletes,

810
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: as sportspersons, we are entertainers. That's a big part of

811
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: what we do. But you know, there's a flip side

812
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 3: to it as well, and and I think I think

813
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 3: it's great that we have some sport based documentaries that

814
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: are becoming more popular. I would love for that to

815
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 3: become a norm because, you know, maybe you can shine

816
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 3: a light on what actually goes into making an athlete

817
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 3: into a performance or a lack thereof, to really make

818
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: someone understand the pain that an athlete feels when it

819
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 3: doesn't happen. Nobody is in more pain than the athlete

820
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 3: or the sports person himself or hisself. So I don't

821
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 3: care how angry we are shouting at the TV. No

822
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 3: one's hurting like that person is. And you will never

823
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 3: understand it unless you know you make an effort.

824
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty two, you came second at the Players Championship.

825
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 1: That is a big boy golf course. You can't fake

826
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: it around. Though, What do you remember about that week

827
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: because you just played fantastic?

828
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 3: No, it was. It was a great week. It was.

829
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 3: It was a very memorable week. And if you actually

830
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 3: looked at how I was playing coming into that week,

831
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 3: you'd be shaking your head because I think I missed

832
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 3: three or four cuts, and the one cut that I

833
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: made at bay Hill the week before, I think I

834
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 3: shot eighty one on the Sunday ted off at seven

835
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: or something like that. Couldn't couldn't hit a green from

836
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 3: ten yards if if I had to throw it on it,

837
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: I might have missed. It was so bad. And I

838
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: drove up to Jacksonville literally sat down at a table

839
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 3: with my dear friend who's passed now, Rusty, and we

840
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: sat down and said, man, we've got to do something

841
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 3: because I don't feel like I'm swinging bad. I don't

842
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: think I'm playing bad, but obviously it's bad. And my

843
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 3: caddy was there with me. Tim was like, man, I

844
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: don't think you know, I don't think it's that bad.

845
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: I know it's not. What So we just tried to

846
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: experiment with some stuff, made some changes to my equipment,

847
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: added some weight, and I was like, yeah, that I

848
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 3: made a draw swing, but it's cutting. I said, okay,

849
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: let's try this. And then I made a draw swing

850
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: and it drew. Then I cut swing and it cut.

851
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, this is what it's supposed to do,

852
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: because now you know how I can play. Now I

853
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: can play. Now you know I'm not guessing. And essentially

854
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: that was that was something that just shifted my mentality

855
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 3: in my attitude. I'm like, now I can do what

856
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 3: I'm trying to do. You know, if I'm if I

857
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 3: consider myself like I keep saying this, you might hear

858
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 3: it on you know, through the microphones. When I'm playing

859
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 3: tim My Caddy will always as I'm walking into the shot,

860
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: he say, bon just paint. I think of myself as

861
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: someone who's creative, and it's like, my paint brushes were broken,

862
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 3: so what picture can I paint? So when I fix

863
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 3: my paint brushes, now I can paint. Now I can

864
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: be an artist. Now I can be creative. And that

865
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 3: week was just that I just felt in a really

866
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: good state of mind and I just you know, I

867
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: was able to express myself and just enjoy the moment.

868
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 3: The weather was so crazy that week.

869
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever been you know, warm up.

870
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: I mean I played what thirty one holes I think

871
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 3: or something like that on the Sunday and yeah, I mean,

872
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: I don't know the last time I had so many

873
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: layers on. It was probably thirty four degrees or something.

874
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: And then it was windy and then it was warm

875
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: on Thursday and it was Yeah, it was just a strange,

876
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: strange you know, it was like a surreal week for me. Yeah,

877
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 3: I mean I look back at it and I'm really

878
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 3: proud of what I did. I would have liked to

879
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 3: go one better. Obviously, who doesn't, But yeah, I learned

880
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: a lot.

881
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: One of the things I love about the way you

882
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: approach golf is, you know, a lot of the Indian

883
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: golfers that I've worked with the juniors remind me a

884
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: lot of the Asian golfers. They are striving for perfection

885
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: in their golf swing. Your golf swing is not no

886
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: one near It is textbook.

887
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: But no, you've never wanted to make a wholesale.

888
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: Change to your technique. And what I hear you talk,

889
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: it's what I'm trying to constantly tell to players that

890
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: there is a big difference between technique and execution. And

891
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: I think most golfers, when they don't perform on the

892
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: golf course, the control all delete for them is straight

893
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: to the range technique. Technique, technique, technique. And I think

894
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: you've always been someone that has said, listen, the technique

895
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: I have is the technique I have. And I think

896
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: that you've tried to maybe where a lot of players

897
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: have maybe tried to change their technique, You've always, in

898
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: my opinion, looked at equipment and gone say, Okay, if

899
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: I want to try and change this, my golf swing.

900
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 3: Is what it is.

901
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: Is there a way that maybe I can tweak my

902
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: tools my equipment to help me do this? And the

903
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: other thing I love about the way you play is

904
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: whatever the shot, you can hit it left to right, you.

905
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: Can hit it right to left.

906
00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: You are more of a throwback shot maker. And a

907
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: lot of players now that just have one shot, they

908
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: have tremendous feed Brooks, DJ, John Rahm, Right, Rory. When

909
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: you have that type of speed, you can basically just

910
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: rely on one shape.

911
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 3: You can follow through.

912
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: Rory can just hit high bomb nuke hammer draws on repeat.

913
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: Brooks and DJ when they were number one in the

914
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: world could just stand up and hit it left to

915
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: right every single time. You're a little bit of kind

916
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 1: of a throwback to where my dad played the tool,

917
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: which was wherever the.

918
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: Pin was, you were shaping the shot.

919
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: Why do you think you've always been able to stick

920
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: with that?

921
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: I think, you know, there was those times in my

922
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: career that I was like, you know, I'm across the

923
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 3: line on top, or my left wrist is you know,

924
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 3: really you know, bent the other way, or I'm under

925
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: the line, or so many things that if I was

926
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 3: to really look at my swing and say, oh, I

927
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 3: think I can make this better. I can fix this,

928
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 3: this doesn't look right and try to make changes. I've

929
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 3: worked with a few different people, but then you know,

930
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 3: going back to my coach VJ, who I've worked with,

931
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: We've always gone back to the fundamentals like how's your grip,

932
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 3: how's your ball position, how's your posture, where's the club

933
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 3: face had impact? And can you repeat it? Can you

934
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: do it consistently? Fine, Let's play golf. The object of

935
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: golf is to put the ball in the hole in

936
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: the least strokes possible. People have lost sight of that.

937
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: People want to do it in the prettiest way possible

938
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: while taking more shots than they need to. That's where

939
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: we are. I mean you, if you want to see

940
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: perfect golf swings, go to a KPGA event, go to Korea.

941
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: You'll see only five perfect textbook golf swings, and maybe

942
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 3: half of them might not shoot under power that day.

943
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they're not good golfers, the phenomenal golfers,

944
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 3: but you put them on a course where you have

945
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 3: to challenge, you know, scoring or you've got to challenge

946
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 3: they may not have the best scoring ability for the

947
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: quality of golf swing they have. And it's a generational thing.

948
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: I think with the advent of YouTube, of social media,

949
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 3: of a lot of things, there's so much information out

950
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 3: there that you can get caught in this conundrum of

951
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 3: just wanting to be perfect. Golf is not a game

952
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: of perfect, you know. So for me, I learned that

953
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 3: not just my equipment. I actually my equipment's probably the

954
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 3: second or the third thing I look at when my

955
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: golf when I'm not playing well, I first go and

956
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 3: look at my fundamentals, which I just mentioned, which is

957
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 3: my grip ball, positions, dance, posture.

958
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: All the stuff that happens before you hit the yes

959
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: and that you can control.

960
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 3: And that's what my coach has always been big on.

961
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: He's like, you know how to move. If I tell

962
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 3: you to hit a draw, you'll move to hit a draw.

963
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 3: If I tell you to hit it high, your body

964
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 3: knows how to move to hit it high. You don't

965
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 3: have to do it with your head. You can do

966
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: it with your senses. But you have to be in

967
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 3: the right position to start. If you're not in the

968
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: right position to start, you're not going to be a player.

969
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: No one is making Instagram videos about grip stance, posture,

970
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: and alignment.

971
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 3: No, it's not cool. It's not sexy. It's not sexy,

972
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Right, It's all about the

973
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: other stuff, right anyway, So I would always go there first.

974
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 3: The second thing I've learned in my career is that

975
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: it's actually your body. If I'm tight, if i'm if

976
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 3: a muscle is stressed, or if something's not moving right,

977
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 3: if i'm if my body will not respond to the

978
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 3: impulse that my brain is sending it, I'm not going

979
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 3: to be able to move that way. So it's not

980
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: my technique. If a lot of times when I'm under

981
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 3: the line, it's because my right hip stide. People don't

982
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 3: think like that. And that's you asked me a question

983
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 3: earlier about amateurs and professionals. That's the difference. Amateurs don't

984
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: think like that. Professionals understand every aspect that is remotely

985
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 3: related to the game, whether it's equipment, whether it's technicalities,

986
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 3: whether it's their body, whether it's oh, I only got

987
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: six hours of sleep, or I'm jet lagged, or I'm inflamed,

988
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 3: or I need to you know, I need to get

989
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: on a cycle and do a flush, get this lactic

990
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 3: acid out of my feet. Because I'm not my ground

991
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: force is reduced because I can't push off the ground

992
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 3: as much. And everyone's like, are you a golfer? Yes,

993
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 3: all this comes down and distills into hitting a golf shot.

994
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 3: People don't understand that. So for me, I always go

995
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 3: to my fundamentals. Then I go to my body, and

996
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 3: if these two things are working and in unison and

997
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 3: it's still not happening, then I go to equipment. Because,

998
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 3: like you said, I've hit every golf shot that there

999
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 3: is to hit, so I know how to hit it.

1000
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 3: If I can do the first and the second thing

1001
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: right then, and if I'm still not able to execute,

1002
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 3: then it's the equipment, because these two things in and

1003
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 3: of themselves fundamentals, and my body moving the way I

1004
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 3: wanted to move will allow me to hit every golf shot.

1005
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: You made the decision in August of twenty twenty two

1006
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: to go to live first tournament in Boston. You get

1007
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: in a playoff with DJ and almost in you're on

1008
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: Bryson's Lived team, the Crushers. Almost three years with Bryson,

1009
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: You've probably got to know Bryson in a way that

1010
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: you never thought you'd get to know.

1011
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: None of us that.

1012
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: Have been out here on Live are surprised by the

1013
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: things that Bryson is doing about the player he's become.

1014
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: What have you learned from being around him and what

1015
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: is different about him than what you thought? Because I

1016
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: think Bryson has changed a lot in the last three

1017
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: to five years versus when he was on tour he

1018
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: was very different. But having access, day in and day

1019
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: out on Live to Bryson has got to be fascinating.

1020
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 2: What have you learned from it?

1021
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 3: Uh? I have to start with with a bit of

1022
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 3: a chuckle. You Knowson is like a younger brother to me.

1023
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 3: Now I care for him deeply, and it's been a

1024
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 3: while ride just you guys.

1025
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 2: Won the team championship last year. I mean that had

1026
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: to be for him.

1027
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 3: No, we've we've had so much fun. We've had so

1028
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 3: much fun over the last two and a half years.

1029
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 3: We've had a lot of times where, you know, the

1030
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 3: whole team, Paul, Charles and myself have have literally wanted

1031
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: to shake the shit out of him because Bryson is Bryson.

1032
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 3: But no, he's matured a lot, you know, and he

1033
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 3: continues to mature, and he continues to grapple with learning

1034
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 3: and understanding himself better as a person. I think as

1035
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 3: a golfer, he knows exactly who he is in terms

1036
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 3: of what he needs to do on a golf course.

1037
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody can tell him what he needs

1038
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 3: to do. He's a very very quick learner. He's very

1039
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 3: open to understanding what he needs to do. And I

1040
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 3: think he's a very unique individual. You know, he's he's

1041
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 3: a piece unique so to speak. You know, he's very

1042
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,479
Speaker 3: difficult to be wired like him.

1043
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: In the world.

1044
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 2: No, it's and that's the superpower.

1045
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 3: Well that, and and just how hard he works. People

1046
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 3: don't understand how hard he works. It's it's almost it's

1047
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: almost to the point where a lot of times we

1048
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 3: have to tell him rise and stop hitting balls, you know,

1049
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 3: get away from the range, just go sit down, do

1050
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 3: something else, have a chat.

1051
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 2: I mean, how many times you've seen him hitting balls

1052
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 2: in the dark all the time.

1053
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 3: I mean, he's probably the only guy for whom Live

1054
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 3: has to keep the range open on a Sunday afternoon

1055
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 3: because while everyone's heading to the podium, Rison's heading to

1056
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 3: the range on a Sunday afternoon, while everyone's packing their

1057
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 3: golf bags, He's beating balls. And that's a testament to

1058
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 3: his dedication, his commitment. But it's also like, you know,

1059
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: he's wired in a way that his biggest strength and

1060
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 3: his biggest weakness are the same thing. He just he

1061
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 3: cares too much, and I think sometimes you know, that

1062
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 3: gets in the way and that's why you see him

1063
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 3: getting frustrated. But that's also why you see him make twelve, thirteen,

1064
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 3: fourteen birdies in a round. So's he's a very special individual,

1065
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 3: that's for sure. It's been a lot of fun. It's

1066
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 3: been a lot of fun. Getting to know him, work

1067
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 3: with him, learn from him, advise him, pick his brains,

1068
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 3: him pick our brains. I think the whole team is

1069
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 3: not just my relationship with Bryson, but I think Paul, Charles,

1070
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 3: myself and Bryson, the four of us as a unit,

1071
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 3: as a cohesive unit. I think it's been It's really

1072
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 3: been amazing. Nothing that I could have ever imagined or

1073
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 3: visualized or anticipated when I was thinking of moving to live,

1074
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 3: like you said in August of twenty twenty two, and

1075
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 3: I think all four of us are really really glad

1076
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 3: to have had this happen to us.

1077
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: Really, I got to talk to you about what happened

1078
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: a Valderrama. You played fantastic. It's such a tough golf course.

1079
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, missed a two footer on

1080
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: the last hole. What did you learn from that experience,

1081
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: because that's hard to come back from, right, I mean,

1082
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: you had a two foot pots win. It looks bad

1083
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 1: on TV, of course, people laugh you. I saw you

1084
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: after the I hadn't seen you since Valderrama. We went

1085
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: up and went to the Open, and you were the

1086
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: first person I saw when I got to live the

1087
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: JCB tournament on the Monday, you were on the putting green.

1088
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: There was nobody else on the putty green. I didn't

1089
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: know what to say, and you looked at me and

1090
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: he said, well, I guess I should try and make

1091
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: some two fudders and practice.

1092
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 2: And what do you learn from that? What do you

1093
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 2: take away?

1094
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 3: You know, it's probably one of the best best learning

1095
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 3: experiences of my life. The first forty eight hours, twenty

1096
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 3: four hours probably impossibly hard, impossibly hard to deal with,

1097
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 3: you know. I take a lot of pride in being

1098
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 3: a professional, take a lot of pride in what I do,

1099
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 3: and when you have something like that happen, it really

1100
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 3: it's like a crushing sort of feeling. It's a very

1101
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 3: difficult feeling to wrap your head around, at least when

1102
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 3: you're really close to it. And the immediate aftermath was difficult.

1103
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 3: I didn't sleep for four or five nights, I think properly,

1104
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 3: kept going back to the eighteenth green, kept going back

1105
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 3: to the eighteenth fairway, what could have done differently. But

1106
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 3: luckily for me, I have a really good bunch of

1107
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 3: people around me. My wife was with me at Valdorama,

1108
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 3: and the week after I spoke to my coach, I

1109
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 3: spoke to my performance specialist, who I've been working with

1110
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 3: over the last four years, who has been an integral

1111
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 3: part of, you know, me turning my game back around

1112
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 3: to in the direction that I wanted to go. And

1113
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 3: when I actually look back on that week, you know,

1114
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 3: it was fifty three and three quarters really really good

1115
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 3: and there was you know, four minutes of stupidity.

1116
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 2: Did you switch off?

1117
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 3: I did, And that's what I was going to come

1118
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 3: to while I waited for Martin Kaimer and Daniel Lee

1119
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 3: to finish up with their six eight footers.

1120
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 2: So take you back to the fairway. You're staying in

1121
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 2: the eighteenth fairway.

1122
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 3: One shortly, I'm on the first cut on the left side.

1123
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 3: I've got a shot. I think I had one hundred

1124
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 3: and one hundred and thirty two yards or something in

1125
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: that range. Uphill wind was probably four o'clock. I hit

1126
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 3: my gap page A maximum gapage had about one twenty eight,

1127
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 3: but I hit it between you know, one twelve to

1128
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 3: one twenty eight, and I'm down there. I'm talking to

1129
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 3: Tim as you know you were there. The greens were

1130
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 3: like pool tables, but just the wave aalderama that week

1131
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 3: at least spanned out if you hit it in the

1132
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 3: middle of the green. The middle of the green were

1133
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 3: the firmest. If you hit it on the sides, because

1134
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 3: they all camber away from the middle, there was a

1135
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 3: little more moisture. So if you landed a ball in

1136
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 3: the middle of the green, it was going to take

1137
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 3: the biggest hop that you would get no matter where

1138
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 3: you were coming from. But if you landed on the

1139
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 3: fringe might be a little softer. So literally, our decision

1140
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 3: was to hit it about one hundred and eighteen two

1141
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 3: hundred twenty yards middle of the green, let it bounce out,

1142
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 3: leave myself about fifteen feet either short or left of

1143
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 3: the flag. Because you where that pin position was was diabolic.

1144
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 3: Didn't look like it on TV, but it was. So

1145
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 3: I literally hit the shot. I actually hit it one

1146
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty. I was trying to hit it eighteen.

1147
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 3: I made a twenty swing and it just didn't bounce

1148
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 3: out as much as I thought it would. It probably

1149
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 3: went ten or twelve feet instead of twenty. So I

1150
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 3: left myself what twenty five feet maybe below the hole

1151
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 3: where I wanted to leave it. I had to go

1152
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 3: over a pretty big crown to get to the hole.

1153
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,919
Speaker 3: I took the high line to hit a soft part.

1154
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 3: I was not going to you know, ram at six

1155
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 3: feet by, which was easily done. Probably needed another foot

1156
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 3: of speed probably get to the hole. Anyways, I left

1157
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 3: it about two two and a half feet maybe sure

1158
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 3: of the hole. And then Martin had chipped to the

1159
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 3: back fringe and Danny had hit over the green, and

1160
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 3: then they both chipped, and while I was waiting for

1161
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 3: them to actually finish out, I'm standing there saying, oh,

1162
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 3: finally it's over.

1163
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: It's you know, you finally got away.

1164
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I wasn't thinking about the win. I'm like,

1165
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 3: it's over. I've had to wait nine years for my win.

1166
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 3: I haven't won in a long time. And so up

1167
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 3: until that point, until I mark my ball and I

1168
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 3: walked away, I was still in this in my performance state.

1169
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 3: I was still in my you know, in my process,

1170
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 3: in my zone, in my bubble, you can call it

1171
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it. And I was still

1172
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 3: very process oriented, which is for how I am on

1173
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 3: a golf course. That's how I structure myself on a

1174
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 3: golf course. But in those ninety odd seconds or more

1175
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 3: that I was waiting for them to finish out, my

1176
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 3: brain wandered, and my attention wandered, and my focus wandered,

1177
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 3: and then I mean, it's it's hard to see. I

1178
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 3: didn't see much of the video or the highlights of it,

1179
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 3: but when it was my turn to play, I literally

1180
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 3: ran up, put the ball down and hit the part

1181
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 3: which is not like you, which is not at all

1182
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 3: like me.

1183
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: I'm me confused with being fast.

1184
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm meticulous. I'm not fast. I'm not fast.

1185
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 3: I know that, not one of the fastest. I take

1186
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 3: my time pretty close to my forty seconds, I think.

1187
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, and that's not me. I got out of

1188
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 3: my process. I didn't do what I needed to do.

1189
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 3: I tried to jam it in the middle, as you

1190
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 3: could see, and it didn't go in. And I think

1191
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 3: the initial reaction was whoa, this just happened, and I like,

1192
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 3: I was in shock, and I think I played the

1193
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 3: playoff in shock. And obviously the team not winning the

1194
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 3: team playoff wasn't fun. It just added to the whole,

1195
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 3: you know, situation getting out of hand. So initially it

1196
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 3: was very difficult to wrap my head around. But when

1197
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 3: I look back at the week, I did a lot

1198
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 3: of good things. I did a lot of things right.

1199
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 2: Difficult golf course, Yeah.

1200
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 3: I mean I thrive on difficult golf courses. In fact,

1201
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 3: I'd rather play a super challenging golf course than you know,

1202
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 3: Birdie fest Y.

1203
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: You like golf courses where six to ten under are

1204
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: going to win as opposed to fourteen to eighty.

1205
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, because again it goes back to it goes back

1206
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 3: to how I play the game. You have to be creative.

1207
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 3: You have to you know, you can't just overpower a

1208
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 3: golf course that is demanding and challenging. So yeah, I

1209
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 3: mean I enjoyed Walderama. I love playing there. Last year

1210
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 3: I got off to a good start and then you know,

1211
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 3: had a horrendous weekend because Waldorama did a Waldorama. But yeah,

1212
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 3: you know, I look back, I learned a lot and

1213
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 3: going forward, I know, for damn sure, if I'm in

1214
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 3: that same situation, nothing's going to get me out of

1215
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 3: my process.

1216
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 2: And that is so important.

1217
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: I think for everyone listening that's trying to do anything

1218
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: in golf, whether they're trying to break one hundred for

1219
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: the first time, eighty for the first time, whether you're

1220
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: trying to win your club championship, or whether you're trying

1221
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: to be a competitor that it can be ninety seconds

1222
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: of switching off because there's so much time in golf, right, yea.

1223
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: The time gap, I think is something that people struggle

1224
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: with and we only really need to focus and concentrate

1225
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: for very short periods of time over the court the

1226
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: four hours.

1227
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so having that ability to you.

1228
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: Know, all the sports psychologists tell you stay in the present,

1229
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: stay in the moment.

1230
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 3: It's also I mean, like one of the things that

1231
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 3: I've worked on over the last few years is switching

1232
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 3: off and switching back on. I switched off, but I

1233
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 3: didn't switch back on. You know, you can't stay switched

1234
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 3: on for five hours. You know, get your head's going

1235
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 3: to explode. You know you're going to play six sols

1236
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 3: and feel like you played thirty six. I've done that.

1237
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 3: I've tried that. I know it doesn't work. So that's

1238
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,439
Speaker 3: a warning you cannot stay switched on for that long.

1239
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 3: The idea is to learn how to switch off and

1240
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 3: then switch back on. And I just didn't switch back on,

1241
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 3: and that's that's essentially, in a nutshell, what happened. The

1242
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 3: visuals and the graphics are different, but the semantics are

1243
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 3: that I didn't switch back on, and that's what happens

1244
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 3: when you don't switch on.

1245
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 2: Will it help you? Do you think having gone through that?

1246
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 3: Of course? I mean, like I just said, my whole life,

1247
01:02:55,960 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 3: my whole career. Every single time i've I've had had

1248
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 3: a failure on an adversity, or I've had a reality check,

1249
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 3: or I've said, oh my god, like I need to

1250
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 3: go back to the drawing board, or I need to

1251
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 3: go back and reassess, or I need to change my bar,

1252
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 3: I need to do something. It's only spurred me on.

1253
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 3: I don't see how there's any different.

1254
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: Lastly, with three tournaments left on the lifts schedule, you

1255
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: guys are trying to win the team again back to back.

1256
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: What do you feel like you have to do with

1257
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: these last few events to kind of get back into

1258
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: team championship.

1259
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 3: I think we just keep doing what we're doing. We

1260
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 3: led this year from the first event we won in Mexico,

1261
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 3: and I think we've I haven't really relinquished the top

1262
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,919
Speaker 3: spot since, or maybe we did for a short time

1263
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 3: before we won back to back in Jedda and Hong Kong.

1264
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 3: But I think as a team, we understand that the

1265
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 3: four of us need to put in our best individual performances,

1266
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 3: and we focus on doing what we need to do

1267
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 3: as individuals to play up. I mean, if you look

1268
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 3: at the Crushers as a whole, you look at how

1269
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 3: we prepare, you look at how we go about our thing.

1270
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 3: We're all seasoned, experienced golfers who know what we need

1271
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 3: to do to play our best, and that's what we do.

1272
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 3: You know, there's no forced practice rounds of nothing that

1273
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 3: we do in our preparation and lead up will compromise

1274
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 3: our preparation, which is why I think we can week out.

1275
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 3: We're probably one of the most consistent teams have been

1276
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 3: now over the last three years since the four of

1277
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 3: us have come together. So I think we just need

1278
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 3: to keep our head down and keep doing the same.

1279
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 3: It's crunch time. It's really important this week potentially to

1280
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 3: either win or finish on the podium to kind of

1281
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 3: lock in the top three spot. That's really important. You

1282
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 3: want that buy in Dallas on Friday. You do not

1283
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 3: want to be playing on Friday, and ideally if you

1284
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 3: can finish in the top seed, it's the cherry on

1285
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 3: top because you get to pick your opponents for Saturday,

1286
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 3: which matter, and then it all comes down to Sunday

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Speaker 3: Championship Sunday, you better show up with your a game,

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Speaker 3: not much else to it.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating to talk to you. I'm a fan. I love

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Speaker 2: the way you play the game and keep it up.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Claude, It's been a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: So it was a really cool talk with Anor bond Lahiri.

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Speaker 1: And as I said in the opening, he is a throwback.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we see a lot of players that

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Speaker 1: see themselves as artists, that see themselves kind of painting

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Speaker 1: pictures on the golf course. There are a lot of

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Speaker 1: different ways to get things done. The game is played

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Speaker 1: in a variety of different ways. But he is a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a throwback to someone that doesn't have

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Speaker 1: obviously the speed and the power that some of the

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Speaker 1: modern players have. He doesn't have the body that some

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Speaker 1: of the modern players have to where you know, he's

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Speaker 1: not six ' three six ' four with tons of speed,

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Speaker 1: so he has to get it done in different ways.

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Speaker 1: But I think he has a very good understanding of

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Speaker 1: his own golf swing. He has a very good understanding

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Speaker 1: as to what makes him tick, and on any given day,

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Speaker 1: on any given golf course anywhere in the world, he

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Speaker 1: believes that he has the type of game that can

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Speaker 1: kind of rise to the top. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: born out of as you heard him talk about, all

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Speaker 1: the different tours he's played on, all the different types

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Speaker 1: of grasses, conditions, weather temperatures, all those things. Those all

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Speaker 1: go into part of being a professional golfer. And Honorbond

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Speaker 1: is someone if you get a chance to watch him

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Speaker 1: play golf, it's fun to watch because it's not what

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Speaker 1: the modern game is about, which is bombing it gouging

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Speaker 1: it out. He kind of sees shapes, he sees curves,

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Speaker 1: and he tends to wherever the pin is, he's going

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Speaker 1: to try and curve it into that pin, and we

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Speaker 1: just don't see that. He's a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: throwback and he is trying to create an advantage with

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Speaker 1: his creativity, which is, in my opinion, his biggest strength.

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Speaker 1: I think he'll win sometime soon. I mean, he's been

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Speaker 1: very very close over the last two three years to

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Speaker 1: getting another professional win. But he's got wins all over

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Speaker 1: the globe and he has been a globetrotter his entire career.

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Speaker 1: And I am a huge, huge fan. Son of a

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Speaker 1: butcher comes to you most Wednesday. Can't thank everybody enough

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