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Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with

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Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Home, Everybody. This is episode counted ninety one, Just nine Shype,

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Speaker 3: our one hundredth episode of Native Lampod where we give

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Speaker 3: you our breakdown on all things politics and.

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Speaker 4: Of course culture.

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Speaker 3: We're your co hosts today, Angelouri, Andrew Gillham, and our

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Speaker 3: sister friend Tiffany Cross, who is the third co host.

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Speaker 3: Happens to be away, but we got an update from

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Speaker 3: the ground directly from her, so you don't want to

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Speaker 3: miss that. Angela, what will be talking about today, Well, we.

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Speaker 1: Are talking about missing our sister Tip, but also you

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Speaker 1: all won't miss her because you'll hear from her. But

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Speaker 1: I am really excited. We did a mini pod yesterday

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Speaker 1: on Texas redistricting. Andrew, We're going to get into how

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Speaker 1: this is in all the states and we might have

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Speaker 1: missed a major key alert in North Carolina in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Well, along with those topics, we're going to be able

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Speaker 3: to get into it with our first guest, Meddi Hassan,

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Speaker 3: who some of you may know from a viral video

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Speaker 3: going around, and ju believe where he debated a room

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Speaker 3: full of well, I'll let him describe what the room

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Speaker 3: was full of coming up next to you here from

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Speaker 3: the man himself, Meddi. But before we do that, we

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Speaker 3: want to remind you if you like this show. In fact,

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Speaker 1: And if you don't like it, jump in the lake.

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Speaker 1: That's what he was trying to say. Also, you know

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Speaker 1: the other thing, Andrew, we should tell people right now

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Speaker 1: is we have a survey right now. Black people like

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Speaker 1: free stuff. I think there's some other people in the

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Speaker 1: world that like free stuff too, So if you do,

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Speaker 1: you might want to fill out this survey. We launched

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Speaker 1: it this past Monday, and folks are already chiming in.

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Speaker 1: We got a little fifty dollars gift card for you,

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Speaker 1: and also a signed poster of us because somebody wants that.

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Speaker 1: Somebody may want it, Andrew, but I don't need a sign.

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Speaker 3: Anytime, but there may be some out there who might

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. Maybe your three year old child's loves our faces.

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Speaker 5: And Davis Davis is absolutely in the building, by the way,

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Speaker 5: along with gall I am managing them from upstairs.

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Speaker 1: We don't detain my nephews and my niece.

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Speaker 3: Please listen well to the audience, y'all stay tuned, because

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Speaker 3: we've got some very great, great, great, great great show.

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Speaker 3: On the other side of this, we've got Neddie Hassan

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Speaker 3: who is repping real hard that shirt today, representing the

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Speaker 3: network that he has found then and is now in

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Speaker 3: charge of Zito. Now he's teased Angela and I that

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Speaker 3: this merch that you're looking at, it is priced in

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Speaker 3: pounds and so you want to compare the.

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Speaker 4: Diction about it if you're in the UK. Thanks guys

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Speaker 4: for having me, and thanks for the plug. But it

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Speaker 4: isn't dollars the tail dot com shop dot detail dot com.

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Speaker 4: I'm a shameless small businessman.

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Speaker 1: Now we should be jos, but I have to I

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Speaker 1: have to do this. I did tell him before we

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Speaker 1: got on, y'all that it's more expensive because we say merch. Maddie,

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Speaker 1: what do you say.

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Speaker 5: I say, merch much that's much more priceing.

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Speaker 4: I've been in ten years. I've been a citizen for

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Speaker 4: five years. I'm proud to still keep my accent speaking.

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Speaker 1: Of you being a citizen. We sorry you tearing it

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Speaker 1: up on Jubilee, and we actually want to go right

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Speaker 1: to that clip. Let's watch.

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Speaker 4: Do you believe the wages? I'm just wondering how naive

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Speaker 4: you are. You believe that the one percent will.

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Speaker 6: Raise wages in the federal wage They will be forced

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Speaker 6: to when you increase labour's relationship to capital. Okay, and

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Speaker 6: you give labor more bargaining power because you're understanding economics.

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Speaker 4: Because you explain I'm wrong, I'm telling you how you're wrong,

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Speaker 4: because you're ignoring the fact that when immigrants come into

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Speaker 4: an area, they spend money, they create jobs, they spend

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Speaker 4: that's a good thing. Also, because you don't like us

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Speaker 4: a foreign aid, so this is the point they created

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Speaker 4: into this country. So far, everyone of my assumptions about

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Speaker 4: like I should get the hell out.

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Speaker 1: Yes, why I don't watch here?

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Speaker 6: Why because you come here and say all this bullshit

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Speaker 6: about how Americans are lazy, You push your left Americans.

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Speaker 3: Oh my lord, how do you mentallysty How do you

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Speaker 3: giving my moral support to you. But how do you

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Speaker 4: I mean, the show is called Surrounded, and you are

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Speaker 4: literally surrounded by twenty of them, and actually the worst ones.

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Speaker 4: As I discovered in hindsight, the most openly white supremacist

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Speaker 4: I watched it back on YouTube, you can see them

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Speaker 4: How do you prepare for that? A lot of people

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Speaker 4: have told me that they haven't been able to watch

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Speaker 4: To be in that room, in that studio in LA

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Speaker 4: crazier than the next. And I've talked about jubilee. It's

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Speaker 4: And I noticed again that he has some normal people

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Speaker 4: Sam Cedar from Majority reported earlier this year, good friend

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Speaker 3: They were all there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I watched it and I was thinking,

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Speaker 1: concerned about is what I heard you say after And

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Speaker 1: I think many of us are roaming this country right

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Speaker 1: now with some of that same anxiety. Talk about how

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Speaker 4: Not safe, deeply depressed, shocked. I and a producer at

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Speaker 4: a security guard got the hell out of Dodge people saying, oh,

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Speaker 4: did you chat to them afterwards?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Of course I didn't chat to them afterwards. There was

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Speaker 4: very charitable of you. No, I got a hell out

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Speaker 4: of there. And in fact, this was taped the same

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Speaker 4: really care if it sounds slow flaky, but it's kind

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Speaker 4: of as a journalist and a debate, and Andrew, You're very

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Speaker 4: kind about you know what I brought to the debate.

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Speaker 4: I enjoy doing debates. I don't have many skills in life.

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Speaker 4: Very few skills in life, so I'm happy to brag

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Speaker 4: doesn't always work in my favor, I ask my wife,

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Speaker 4: But I enjoy doing it. And I agreed to do

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Speaker 4: a book about debating and all of that, and that's great.

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Speaker 4: And I watch it back and say, hey, there's a

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Speaker 4: that all to one side. Take off the journalist hat,

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Speaker 4: the debater, hat I am a brown Muslim immigrant in

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Speaker 4: the United States. Nobody should have to sit through an

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Speaker 4: a real American, you can't be an American, you hate

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Speaker 4: our country. Were fascists, et cetera, et cetera. That is

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Speaker 4: that is I want to say unacceptable, but it's not unacceptable.

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Speaker 4: Clearly it is acceptable in America today. And why I

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Speaker 4: wide open moment for a lot of liberals a lot

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Speaker 4: of white liberals who've been in denial. I spent much

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Speaker 4: of twenty twenty four people telling me, Oh, it won't.

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Speaker 7: Be that bad.

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Speaker 4: Oh, the Trump people aren't that bad. Angelie. You and

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Speaker 4: I have had these discussions before. In the past, Tiffany

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Speaker 4: and I have had many discussions on this, like the

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Speaker 4: whole number twenty sixteen. Is it economic anxiety or is

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Speaker 4: it racial resentment? It's like, go watch Jubilee. It's racial

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Speaker 4: resentment about the economy. They don't give a shit about

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Speaker 4: the constitution, they don't give a shit about democracy. All

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Speaker 4: they wanted to talk about was immigration and race. That's all.

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Speaker 4: They didn't care about anything else I brought to the party.

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Speaker 4: That was it. And you know, for me, that's the

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Speaker 4: kind of case closed.

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Speaker 3: Really, you know, I want to I wonder how much

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Speaker 3: of you thinks that this was the rights sentiment on

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Speaker 3: steroids versus like, this is what you will encounter when

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Speaker 3: you encounter Donald Trump voters in today's day and age.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, I'm not going to say all Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump voters are like the people in that room. Clearly not.

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Speaker 4: I have people in my family who Donald Trump voters. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: but the wait.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm like, I'm like, I'm just like, what happened?

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Speaker 6: If can?

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Speaker 1: I almost check in my mic to see it because

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Speaker 1: I'm mute. Sorry. So one of the reasons why the

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Speaker 1: relationship with the network ended is because of your unashamed,

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Speaker 1: unabashed critique of this country and its role and culpability

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Speaker 1: and what's happening in God, can you talk about what

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Speaker 1: people need to know just as human beings. When you

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Speaker 1: sink into morality, you move politics aside, you move partisans

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Speaker 1: partisanship aside, and you focus on the people, the innocent

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Speaker 1: people who are being impacted with what's happening in that country.

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Speaker 1: Talk about what folks really need to know at home.

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Speaker 3: Good Angela.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great question. And one thing that's upset

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Speaker 4: me quite a bit and disappointed me is that since

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Speaker 4: January the twentieth, suddenly lots of ordinary democrats and liberals

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Speaker 4: and people I follow online have suddenly woken up to

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Speaker 4: the genocide in Gaza. And so this is really bad

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Speaker 4: because Donald Trump's president. Oh look at the bat, and

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Speaker 4: Trump is doing some horrific things in the Middle East.

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Speaker 4: You know, they'll point to Trump saying ethnic cleansing, They'll

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Speaker 4: point to Trump signing off on two thousand pound bombs.

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Speaker 4: They'll point to Trump, you know, using Palestinian as a slut,

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Speaker 4: all horrific things, things that I oppose and warned about

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Speaker 4: last year when people were trying to give Trump a

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Speaker 4: pass on foreign policy. But what upsets me is there's

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Speaker 4: no real reckoning with what Biden oversaw, with what Harris

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Speaker 4: refused to disown, with what Schumer and Jeffrey signed off on.

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Speaker 4: And I think that reckoning has to happen the inability.

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Speaker 4: Every time you hear a Democratic Party post mortem, they

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Speaker 4: refuse to mention Gaza. It's kind of the elephant in

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Speaker 4: the room where they don't talk about how much it

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Speaker 4: custom votes in places like Michigan and Pennsylvania. They don't

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Speaker 4: talk about how much it damaged their credibility as a

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Speaker 4: party that claims to care about democracy, human rights, to quality.

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Speaker 4: So I think that reckoning has to be had. I

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Speaker 4: saw KARRMLA. Harris recently advertise her new upcoming memoir and

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Speaker 4: she said, I'm going to be very candid. All right,

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Speaker 4: I'll wait and see. If there's not a chapter on Gaza,

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Speaker 4: then it won't be a very candid memoir. Because she

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Speaker 4: went on multiple TV shows and was asked, are you

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Speaker 4: going to break with Biden on anything? And she didn't

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Speaker 4: say Gaza. She didn't say anything, to be honest, She

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Speaker 4: went on the view and said nothing. Huge strategic error.

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Speaker 4: And I actually know for a fact because I know

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Speaker 4: people who were in the White House in the campaign

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Speaker 4: who all know the privately Harris was better than Biden

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Speaker 4: on Gaza, but publicly she wasn't. She didn't ever actually

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Speaker 4: message that she would be different. And I think Democrats

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Speaker 4: have to own the hundreds of thousands of children and

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Speaker 4: women and men who were injured and the at least

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Speaker 4: thirty to forty thousand people minimum who were killed on

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden before Donald Trump even stepped foot into office,

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Speaker 4: the number of deaths in Gaza. Even before Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: became president, Gaza was the worst place in the world

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Speaker 4: to be a child, the worst place in the world

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Speaker 4: to be an aid worker, the worst place in the

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Speaker 4: world to be a journalist, right, That was all before

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Speaker 4: Trump became president. We have to be able to have

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Speaker 4: a reckoning about that. We can argue about Wood, Biden

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Speaker 4: or Harris had been better than Trump, who cares at

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Speaker 4: this point. The point is right now, as you say, Angela,

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Speaker 4: it was a bipartisan both sides policy to back the

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Speaker 4: Netanyahu government as he carried out the worst war crimes

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Speaker 4: of our time. We are seeing children being shot in

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Speaker 4: the testicles, according to Dr Nick Maynard, the UK doctor,

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Speaker 4: in a pattern he says as really sold as a

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Speaker 4: using civilians and children just for sport, just for target practice.

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Speaker 4: We are paying for that. And I'm so thought up

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Speaker 4: with people coming out and say, oh, how come I'm

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Speaker 4: not hearing protests about Sudan. Actually we've covered Sudan on

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Speaker 4: our show, but people cynically going Sudan or some other

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Speaker 4: part of the world, and it's like, well, we're not

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Speaker 4: funding the militaries in those places doing the killing. My

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Speaker 4: and your tax dollars helping to kill children and make

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Speaker 4: Gaza's kids the most amputated cohort of children in modern

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Speaker 4: world history. We paid for that. So yes, we're going

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Speaker 4: to be pissed off about that forever.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw, but and I'm going

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Speaker 1: to yield to you.

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Speaker 7: Andrew, I.

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Speaker 1: Just was nodding so hard my headphones a little ya

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Speaker 1: fell off, So I'm.

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Speaker 4: A sort Well.

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Speaker 3: We warned y'all that you were going to hear a

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Speaker 3: truth teller on this side of the conversation, and many

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Speaker 3: you you don't disappoint in telling the truth. And I

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Speaker 3: just wonder, as we we we apart from each other,

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Speaker 3: we're the bright spot. What if there is a bright

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Speaker 3: spot people can be left with on our side? Where

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Speaker 3: are you seeing it and sensing it right now? And

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Speaker 3: then where can people find you?

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Speaker 4: The bright spot has always been the same place, even

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Speaker 4: at the height of the Gaza killings last year, the

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Speaker 4: same answer, which is young people, which is students, which

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Speaker 4: is activists, which is organizers. You look at the generational

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Speaker 4: divide in American politics, it is massive. It's not just

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Speaker 4: on Gaza, but on multiple issues. The kids are all right,

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Speaker 4: as they say, and that's why the Trump administration is

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Speaker 4: cracking down on campus is one very simple reason, because

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Speaker 4: they know that the biggest threat is from the youth vote.

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Speaker 4: You look at Mamdani and how he won that New

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Speaker 4: York Democratic mayoral primary. Huge surge in young people turning

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Speaker 4: out to vote who had never voted before. So that's

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Speaker 4: what keeps me hopeful, is that the young folks have

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Speaker 4: got their heads in the right place. And as for me,

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Speaker 4: where you can find me detail dot com. We z

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Speaker 4: e t e o dot com. That's where we are

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Speaker 4: become a subscriber to support independent journalism because mainstream media

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Speaker 4: is part of the reason we are in the ship show.

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Speaker 3: We're in again. Absolutely, I love it. Well, we just

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Speaker 3: want to thank you, I'll say, on my part, in

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Speaker 3: on Tiffany's part, who misses you?

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Speaker 4: Mistif bose of us have been reborn.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it, be reborn to produce even greater and

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Speaker 3: your mission and work is is greater. But we want

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Speaker 3: to thank you for taking some time we got to

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Speaker 3: come back it up with us. Yes, indeed, thank you both.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Best wishes, so appreciate it. So everybody you know that

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Speaker 1: our girl didn't get to see her favorite guy, Mehdi

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Speaker 1: Hassan join us for that incredible interviewing conversation. He is

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Speaker 1: a brilliant debater and also, as Andrew said, a brilliant

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Speaker 1: true tailor, our good friend and sister is in the

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Speaker 1: continent and she has a very special message from the

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Speaker 1: ground that she wants to share with all of us.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look.

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Speaker 10: Welcome home, Native lamb Bam. Of course it's here, our

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Speaker 10: co host, Tiffany Cross. I'm so sorry I'm missing this

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Speaker 10: week's show, but I am actually here in the Democratic

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Speaker 10: Republic of Congo. I am in the capital of Conshaza.

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Speaker 10: You can see behind me, just over my shoulder, just

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Speaker 10: across that river is Brazaville, and I am here on

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Speaker 10: ground learning about the conflict that's happening here because of cobalt,

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Speaker 10: which is a mineral here that powers our cell phones,

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Speaker 10: very thing i'm filming on and millions of people have

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Speaker 10: lost their lives because rebel fighting in the east. I am,

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Speaker 10: of course in the west at the capital in Gonsaza,

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Speaker 10: but a lot of fighting in the east that could

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Speaker 10: very easily find its way to the west has claimed

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Speaker 10: the lives of so many people here. And this really

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Speaker 10: should be one of the wealthiest countries on the continent,

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Speaker 10: given the amount of minerals that they have here.

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Speaker 7: Unfortunately, the people of.

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Speaker 10: The Democratic Republic of Congo have not benefit at all

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Speaker 10: from the billions and billions of dollars of minerals here.

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Speaker 10: I was here for an event called Genocas and they

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Speaker 10: show video where the rebels would show up and kill

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Speaker 10: people on site, and children as young as two and

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Speaker 10: three years old would just be walking around aimlessly in

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Speaker 10: their communities where they lived. After coming back and finding

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Speaker 10: their entire families slaughtered.

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Speaker 7: Women have been raped here. The rebels use rape as

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Speaker 7: a weapon of war.

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Speaker 10: After raping the women, they have inserted weapons in their

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Speaker 10: vaginal area, anything from knives to stones.

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Speaker 7: The intention is to destroy.

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Speaker 10: Now, while this is completely inhumane and reprehensible, I would

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Speaker 10: like to when I come back, share on Native Land

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Speaker 10: how these cell phones are, computers, batteries, so many things

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Speaker 10: that we use mindlessly and effortlessly contribute to this conflict

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Speaker 10: here now. Earlier this year, Donald Trump signs an agreement

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Speaker 10: and he somewhat did the country as solid by securing

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Speaker 10: the border between the country of the Congo and Rwanda.

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Speaker 10: I will break all that down on a later episode

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Speaker 10: of Native Land Pod.

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Speaker 7: But I did want to let you know why I'm

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Speaker 7: not there.

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Speaker 10: I had an opportunity to speak with the President and

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Speaker 10: the first Lady of the Congo here and it's as

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Speaker 10: you can see, it is a country that has so

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Speaker 10: much potential. There is also beauty in this country, and

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Speaker 10: it never astonishes me how much war, how much barbarism,

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Speaker 10: how much agony the people of the entire continent have suffered,

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Speaker 10: mostly at the hands of European nations, and it does

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Speaker 10: not take away from the beauty of the land nor

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Speaker 10: the beauty of the people. I've been to the homes

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Speaker 10: of people who live here that are gorgeous, beautiful artwork,

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Speaker 10: the vegetation here, So I don't want to present only

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Speaker 10: one side of this beautiful country or one side of

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Speaker 10: this beautiful continent. But it has been a very eye

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Speaker 10: opening experience. It's one thing to read about the conflict.

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Speaker 10: It's another thing completely to be on ground and understand.

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Speaker 7: It from a different perspective.

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Speaker 10: So hopefully I'll be able to say more on a

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Speaker 10: future episode of Native Land Pod about the conflicts here

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Speaker 10: the role we play in it as America being the

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Speaker 10: largest consumer economy that benefits from the minerals here. So

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Speaker 10: sorry to miss this week's episode, I will be back

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Speaker 10: soon and welcome home y'all.

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Speaker 3: Well, that is our sister Tiffany Cross bringing us as

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Speaker 3: a true journalist that she is bringing us her take

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Speaker 3: from the Congo of where she is, and we look

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Speaker 3: forward to welcoming her back home physically here and hearing

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Speaker 3: what more lessons she may have to share with us.

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Speaker 1: You Know, what I really appreciate about what Tip shared

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Speaker 1: Andrew is there's been so much conversation when Gaza is addressed,

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Speaker 1: just like it was with Mehdi, and there are black

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Speaker 1: folks who say, well, what about what's happening with in

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Speaker 1: Rwanda the congo ers today and what we shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: and what about it is and more are oppression Olympics.

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Speaker 1: But what we also shouldn't do is turn a blind

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Speaker 1: eye to what is happening in the motherland. So I'm

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Speaker 1: very very grateful for what Tiff is saying. She's you know,

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Speaker 1: questioning and checking and hearing about firsthand, and I just

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Speaker 1: hope that we will all be accountable to continue to

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Speaker 1: do that same work ourselves.

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Speaker 3: That's real, especially where it's Western habits and Western you know,

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Speaker 3: desires that are fueling so so much of what's happening

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Speaker 3: to devastating degree outside of our outside of American US borders.

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Speaker 3: But we thank her for that what's.

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Speaker 1: The matter with Texas and Missouri and Louisiana and a

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Speaker 1: lot more. We're going to get to all of that

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Speaker 1: right after this breaking.

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Speaker 11: Greetings, Native Pod. My name is Keith. I'm from DC,

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Speaker 11: and recently you will talk me about the redistricting of Texas. Well,

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Speaker 11: here's my idea I brought this before, is that we

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Speaker 11: redistrict the whole nation, which means we would revise the

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Speaker 11: electoral college to increase the representation of representatives in the

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Speaker 11: House of Representative. Right now, we're severely underrepresentative. My idea

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Speaker 11: is that we would take the population of the smallest

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Speaker 11: state Union, which is Wiring right now, that has five

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Speaker 11: hundred and eighty thousand people. We would divide each state

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Speaker 11: by the size of Wyoming and make increase the representation

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Speaker 11: in each one of those states. For example, the representation

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Speaker 11: in California would increase from fifty five to sixty seven

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Speaker 11: point one. And he asked us, what do we do

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Speaker 11: that point one? Well, we will have a chief electorial

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Speaker 11: and that chief electoral will have a voting power of

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Speaker 11: one point one and that he as far as the

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Speaker 11: national electin of president, you only have a power of one. Again,

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Speaker 11: that is my idea is to increase, revise it. We

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Speaker 11: can squash all this redistricting all over the state. We

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Speaker 11: can just do a ratification of Electoria College. Get it done. Thanks,

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Speaker 11: that's my recommendation. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: All right, so we got a recommendation there on how

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Speaker 3: we might make the the electoral college map look a

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Speaker 3: little bit more for fair Angela. And just before you,

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Speaker 3: before we take your response, I just wanted for the

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Speaker 3: viewers to help us understand where we sit today, which is, yes,

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Speaker 3: Wyoming is the lowest populated state in the Union. They

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Speaker 3: have two US Senate seats, as every state in the

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Speaker 3: Union has two seats, and they've got one Congressional seat.

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Speaker 3: And the question was right, mister Keith, they said, at

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Speaker 3: about you know, about what half No. On average, each

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Speaker 3: member of Congress represents about seven hundred and sixty one

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Speaker 3: thousand people. Wyoming sits under that at about five hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty plus thousand folks living in that state. However,

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Speaker 3: the constitution limits, actually it's law that limit. Since nineteen eleven,

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Speaker 3: I believe the practice has been that the Congress will

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Speaker 3: be capped at four hundred and thirty five members, and

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Speaker 3: that the minimum a number of people required to constitute

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Speaker 3: a seat will basically be divided based off that five

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Speaker 3: hundred and thirty five members amongst the various states, with

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Speaker 3: again Wyoming, that not being applicable because Wyoming will maintain

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Speaker 3: one seat unless it increases beyond that average number seven

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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty plus population, but they will maintain one

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Speaker 3: seat right now. The problem with the recommendation is that

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Speaker 3: we would have to grow the House of Representative pretty

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Speaker 3: substantially if we began dividing the US population basically by

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Speaker 3: five hundred and fifty thousand people per every seat in Congress.

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Speaker 3: The number of seats are capped four thirty five, and

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Speaker 3: then obviously the US Senate has capped at two members

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Speaker 3: per state. So I don't know, do you have a

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Speaker 3: reaction to that idea. I just wanted to set the

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Speaker 3: plate so that folks, you know, sort of had a

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Speaker 3: sense of how we got or where we are.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: I think that you've done a great job of answering

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Speaker 1: Keith's question or responding to Keith's ideas. Keith always has

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Speaker 1: big ideas for those of you at home listening, because

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Speaker 1: you are welcome home. We always welcome your big ideas,

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Speaker 1: no matter how crazy, large, miraculous they sound, or basic,

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Speaker 1: and we should abandoned that we here for So please

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Speaker 1: make sure you continue to send in your questions, thoughts

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Speaker 1: and ideas, and your challenge is to the host, especially

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Speaker 1: when you say Angela, miss Cross. I was gonna say, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: you know what is fascinating about this redistricting conversation to

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Speaker 1: me is that it's not new we have seen. It's

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Speaker 1: not just Texas. Of course, recently in Missouri, the governor

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Speaker 1: said that he's interested in redrawing the lines where the

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Speaker 1: first black member of Congress in Missouri sits in Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: rather not in all of Missouri, but in Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: Who's a former mayor of Kansas City, My former boss,

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Speaker 1: the former CBC chair, Congressman Emmanuel Cleeved. The second they're

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Speaker 1: talking about redrawing the line so that he would not

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Speaker 1: be in a district that represents Kansas City anymore. We're

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Speaker 1: hearing these same things about Louisiana. As you know, there

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Speaker 1: was an open court case Calais Kaye in Louisiana that

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Speaker 1: would have would challenge again the seat that Cleo Fields

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Speaker 1: now operates or occupies in in the Baton Rouge area.

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Speaker 1: What I think that we have to wrestle with here

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Speaker 1: is why. And the thing that is most troubling to me,

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Speaker 1: as you all know NLP listeners, I had Jelanda jones On,

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Speaker 1: who's a state repon Texas representing the Houston area, yesterday

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Speaker 1: this week, Yes, sorry this week in case you didn't

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Speaker 1: hear it, we record on Wednesdays. I'm sorry, y'all, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: I have ad D bad today and now when you

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Speaker 1: do that, I can't remember what I'm saying. Jones at

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Speaker 1: Jelanda jones On yesterday, and she is one of the

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Speaker 1: members of the Texas delegation that has fled the state

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Speaker 1: to prevent Governor Abbott from getting this very unconstitutional, hyper

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Speaker 1: racist redistricting and Jerry Vander process done in and off year.

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Speaker 1: As a reminder, y'all, as Andrew just said, it is

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. This happens in twenty twenty. Generally, by

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Speaker 1: the time we get to about twenty twenty two, by

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Speaker 1: the time we get to a midterm election, this has

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Speaker 1: been asked, answered and resolved, even if we don't like

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Speaker 1: the outcome. So what has happened is there was an

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Speaker 1: off year test and Julanda brought this up on the

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Speaker 1: podcast on Tuesday. There's been off your test. That off

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Speaker 1: your test didn't start with Texas. The off year test

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Speaker 1: started with North Carolina. And Andrew might be ready to

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Speaker 1: fight because you might say, well, they really tested it

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Speaker 1: out in Florida first, but at least in Florida it

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Speaker 1: was attached to the twenty twenty census. This in North

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Speaker 1: Carolina last year was just randomly. In twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: Republican leaders decided that they wanted to redraw maps to

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Speaker 1: see what would happen and to restrict the number of

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Speaker 1: black elected officials in North Carolina. So now that case

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Speaker 1: is going to a three panel court close to Winston

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Speaker 1: Salem to determine whether or not it's constitutional or unconstitutional.

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Speaker 1: Here's the bottom line. We're watching Texas legislators flee. But

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Speaker 1: what we're really watching, Andrew, I think for people who

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Speaker 1: don't understand redistricting, what is that? Jerry mandering? What is that?

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Speaker 1: Why should we care? All people right now are watching

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Speaker 1: is like they are on the run, and we here

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Speaker 1: for the fight. My favorite thing about this is you

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Speaker 1: brought up earlier. Your memory is so good. You brought

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Speaker 1: up earlier. What happened when Texas legislators. Texas state legislators

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Speaker 1: did this in twenty twenty one, and you said, that

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Speaker 1: is how Jasmine Crockett met her rise to fame.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so let us see how a lot of us

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Speaker 3: came to nowhere.

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Speaker 1: And here, let's watch that clip.

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Speaker 12: We have not committed a crime, and so under the

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Speaker 12: US Constitution and the Texas constitution, you can't arrest people

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Speaker 12: that haven't committed a crime. So we've not committed a crime.

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Speaker 12: What can happen is we can be detained, so we

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Speaker 12: can have someone come and get us. But that's so

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Speaker 12: long as they have jurisdiction. And I know that the

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Speaker 12: governor may believe that he's president now, but he's not

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Speaker 12: and hopefully will never be the president of these United States.

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Speaker 12: But he does not have jurisdiction over all United States.

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Speaker 12: He has jurisdiction over Texas. And so it's actually our

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Speaker 12: sergeants in the House that it says in the rules

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Speaker 12: that they.

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Speaker 1: Can actually go after us.

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Speaker 12: The law is still unclear as to whether or not

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Speaker 12: the speed maker can then go ahead and say, hey,

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Speaker 12: we're going to deputize these DPS officers, and these officers

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Speaker 12: can go after them, but even still, their jurisdiction would

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Speaker 12: not extend outside the state of Texas.

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Speaker 3: This is such an important point, uh, Angela, that you

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Speaker 3: bring up, because we're hearing a lot of conversation right now,

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Speaker 3: a lot of bluster blunder out of the governor of

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Speaker 3: Texas saying they're creating you know, he has he has

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Speaker 3: now said or issued a writ to go and bring

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Speaker 3: these members back to Texas to arrest them, warrants, warrants,

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Speaker 3: issue warrants for them on a civil civil laws site.

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Speaker 3: Uh citation if you will, so Jasmine Congressman Crockett, who

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Speaker 3: we many of us got introduced to through means like

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Speaker 3: Don Lemon through her interviews that she did the last

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Speaker 3: time Texas tried to try some corrupt stuff, and we're

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Speaker 3: her comment, as les I listened, is just as apropos

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Speaker 3: today as it was, you know, back in twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: one about the jurisdiction of the governor to come after

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Speaker 3: them and to arrest them. But your point was, people

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Speaker 3: are saying that they're fleeing the battle, fleeing the fight.

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Speaker 3: Talk about how they're fleeing is not running from the fight,

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Speaker 3: but in fact bringing the fight directly to the jaw

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Speaker 3: of the governor and to the Republican that legislature.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what I love about the strategy is

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Speaker 1: one we keep saying in this moment, we don't have

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Speaker 1: to go and create new tactics. Andrew, I love what

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Speaker 1: you've done also on your solo pods where you train

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Speaker 1: people how to organize, and this is one of those tactics.

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Speaker 1: The Texas State Legislature has been engaging in fleeing as

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Speaker 1: a strategy since eighteen seventy. It is not new. We say,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing new under the sun. We can fight with

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Speaker 1: old tactics and just update how we use those old

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Speaker 1: tactics and tools. They are doing that right now. And

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Speaker 1: what Jasmine is saying is like, look, he can issue

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Speaker 1: a warrant. You don't have any jurisdiction outside of the state.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's so important for people to realize.

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Speaker 1: I also think there's something that gets in the psyche

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Speaker 1: of a democratic governor right that may have lacked the courage,

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Speaker 1: the political courage, the political will to engage in this

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Speaker 1: type of fight, But now they may have a little

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Speaker 1: sauce because the Texas Dems who are fleeing and walking

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Speaker 1: and embodying courage. They got to be like, well, I

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Speaker 1: can't just let y'all hang out there by yourselves, so

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Speaker 1: let me meet you where you are. One of those

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Speaker 1: governors who surprised me, and we heard this from Mehdi earlier,

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Speaker 1: is Governor Hochal in New York. Let's roar what she

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Speaker 1: said recently.

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Speaker 9: I have newsflash for Republicans in Texas. This is no

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Speaker 9: longer the wild West. We're not going to tolerate our

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Speaker 9: democracy being stole in a modern day stage called choice

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Speaker 9: hoist by a bunch of lawbreaking cowboys. Americans don't want

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Speaker 9: a system that's stacked against them.

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Speaker 13: They've believed in fairness. It's fundamental. I'll tell you this.

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Speaker 9: They're done with the chaos, they're done with the cruelty,

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Speaker 9: and I would say they're ready to vote Republicans out

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Speaker 9: of power in Washington, certainly in the upcoming twenty twenty

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Speaker 9: six elections.

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Speaker 13: Republicans know this. They've seen the polls.

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Speaker 9: They know they're sliding downhill because Americans are rejecting their policies.

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Speaker 13: So this is why they're fighting.

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Speaker 9: They want to They know they'll lose the elections, but

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Speaker 9: to subvert the will of the people. They're hell bent

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Speaker 9: on rigging the system. Rigging the system is un American.

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Speaker 9: All's fair in love and war. That's why I'm exploring

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Speaker 9: with our leaders every option to redraw our state congressional

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Speaker 9: lines as soon as possible. Our state legislatives' leaders Carol

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Speaker 9: hoastein with Joy Leader on to rest their cousins. They're

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Speaker 9: on board, as are their members. We're already working on

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Speaker 9: a legislative process, reviewing our legal strategies, and we'll do

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Speaker 9: everything our power to stop this brazen assault.

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Speaker 3: Andrew Angela, I tell us, so, why for you? Was

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Speaker 3: that a surprise?

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Speaker 4: And I'll say my piece, cause she.

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Speaker 1: Say all kind of crazy stuff all the time. I'll

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Speaker 1: be mad at how most of the time. So I

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Speaker 1: just was like, oh, okay, that's what we're doing. We

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Speaker 1: gotta fight. And I love this speaker was right next

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Speaker 1: to her. The thing that I appreciate about this moment.

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Speaker 1: We keep saying that people want to see a fight.

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Speaker 1: We keep hearing that too, right, But part of the

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Speaker 1: fight isn't just this resistance tactic. People want to see

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Speaker 1: an alternative. That alternative is the vision of the opposition.

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Speaker 1: What you get to see from her comments is what

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Speaker 1: the vision of the opposition is, so the resistance was

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Speaker 1: brought to you by the Texas state legislators, right, the

863
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Speaker 1: Democratic legislators who left the opposition strategy, and the vision

864
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Speaker 1: is roped to you by those who can govern. And

865
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Speaker 1: they'll say, if this is what the what the right

866
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Speaker 1: wants to do, this is what those who are representing

867
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Speaker 1: a political entity that will be the demise of our democracy.

868
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Speaker 1: We are going to show you how we're going to

869
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Speaker 1: fight back against this democracy. Sure, ideally we'd love to

870
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Speaker 1: have this bipartisan or nonpartisan commission that does this great thing,

871
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: but in the absence of people who are willing to

872
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Speaker 1: fight on an on an even and level playing field,

873
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Speaker 1: we gonna meet them in the mud. And so they're saying,

874
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Speaker 1: we're not going to let them imbalance the scales of justice.

875
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Speaker 1: Wherever they create an imbalance, we're gonna right.

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Speaker 3: Say that's it.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's I think that is what a

878
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Speaker 1: resolution and an alternative looks like. So resistance should not

879
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: stand alone. Resistance should be met with resolution, and that

880
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Speaker 1: is where governors, those who can govern, can meet folks

881
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Speaker 1: in the middle. And I think that's what people want

882
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: to see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so and just so our listeners understand what

884
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Speaker 3: the oven or and even we're referring to when we

885
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Speaker 3: talk about this in balance and the changing of the rules,

886
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: as it's already been established. These processes are changing congressional

887
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 3: maps happen after the census, typically between the change and

888
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Speaker 3: the census, and maybe two years out. Mostly by and large,

889
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 3: litigation has been settled, and those maps are now the

890
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Speaker 3: maps that are in place, with some very very large exceptions.

891
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Speaker 3: Those maps are established within time, and then new members

892
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Speaker 3: of Congress are elected. In this case, the rigging comes in, y'all,

893
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Speaker 3: and that Texas is saying, all right, we're five years

894
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Speaker 3: in to this census, why don't we two advantage. In fact,

895
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Speaker 3: they were instructed to do this. Let me be clear

896
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Speaker 3: about this. They were instructed by Donald Trump to change

897
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Speaker 3: their maps to produce five more congressional Republican congressional seats.

898
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Speaker 3: This is basically Donald Trump calling Raffinsburger in Georgia and saying, hey,

899
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Speaker 3: you go ahead and find me one hundred, no, no, no,

900
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Speaker 3: ninety eight whatever whatever, thousand votes so that we can

901
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Speaker 3: win this race.

902
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Speaker 4: Right.

903
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 3: We all knew that was illegal. We all knew that

904
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Speaker 3: that was a foul call. So he made that foul

905
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Speaker 3: call again on this occasion to the governor of Texas.

906
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Speaker 14: Governor of Texas, Oh yeah, yeah, why don't we go ahead,

907
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Speaker 14: and why don't we go ahead and do that. Let's

908
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 14: let's find you five more seats. Okay, we'll find you

909
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Speaker 14: the seats that you want. So that for the seats

910
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Speaker 14: that we may lose coming up in the midterm elections,

911
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Speaker 14: thereby putting Democrats in control of the House of Representatives,

912
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Speaker 14: and if they stuck together, they could basically end at

913
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Speaker 14: least the legislative agenda for Donald Trump for the remainder

914
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Speaker 14: of his term in office.

915
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Speaker 3: So high stakes. But in this case, they are going

916
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Speaker 3: about it by breaking the rules, but basically saying they

917
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Speaker 3: haven't gotten any new, grand new numbers of population. They

918
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Speaker 3: haven't had all these new folks moving to the state

919
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Speaker 3: in this period of time. What they're gonna do is

920
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Speaker 3: they're gonna take seats that right now Democrats hold. They're

921
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Speaker 3: gonna move huge sums of Democrats out of those districts

922
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Speaker 3: that create democratic seats, put them in to strong Republican

923
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Speaker 3: seats by breaking them up and basically creating a situation

924
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Speaker 3: where they could not elect a Democrat. If their full

925
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Speaker 3: breath and body were to go out and vote wholesale

926
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Speaker 3: to elect Democrats, they couldn't do it anymore because those

927
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Speaker 3: Democratic votes would now be broken up and spread out.

928
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Speaker 3: In some cases, in the case of Austin, Texas, they

929
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Speaker 3: would be broken off into a district that spans three

930
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Speaker 3: and a half hours drive away from their city center,

931
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Speaker 3: where they may not have anything in common by interests

932
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Speaker 3: of the folks who are three and a half hours

933
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Speaker 3: away from them, but they would be split that hard

934
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Speaker 3: so that they could never ever elect a Democrat to

935
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Speaker 3: their seat in Congress. That's the complete subversion of the rules.

936
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Speaker 3: They are cheating just so that they can maintain their advantage.

937
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Speaker 3: That's the illegal part of this, and the question that

938
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Speaker 3: Angela is raising, well, the point that she's making is

939
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Speaker 3: that there are democratic governors who right now sit in

940
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Speaker 3: position where they could also force their states or take

941
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Speaker 3: steps to force their states and to redrawn their seats

942
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Speaker 3: and doing the same thing basically taking Republican seats right now,

943
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Speaker 3: splitting those seats out by taking conservatives and diving them

944
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Speaker 3: up amongst other seats, and creating the opportunity for only

945
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Speaker 3: Democrats to be elected there that hasn't been the take

946
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Speaker 3: that we have, that's not been the step of the

947
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Speaker 3: direction we've gone in the past. And there are probably

948
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Speaker 3: some people out there. I think we may even have

949
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Speaker 3: a clip of someone making this argument who were saying

950
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Speaker 3: we shouldn't do that because we have been the good

951
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Speaker 3: government people that have been pushing for you know, independent

952
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 3: redistrict and commissions that are nonpartisan. Well, that may be

953
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 3: the ideal, but the question is is should we stick

954
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Speaker 3: to that now or do we have to meet the

955
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 3: knife fight with a knife and not a spoon, a.

956
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: Plastic spoon, a plastic ass well, maybe compostable. As soon

957
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: as you try to pick some up the thing break

958
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Speaker 1: off in their shout out to the compostables. Though I

959
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: do love y'all. I was going to say, Andrew, you

960
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: raise a great point. We should continue that part of

961
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Speaker 1: the conversation in the mini pod, okay, because I think

962
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Speaker 1: that we should analyze like you know, id ID a

963
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: versus reality, like should you be in the ideals or

964
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: should you be in the real And I have to

965
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 1: tell you this, this is very important. They're doing this

966
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: on the sixtieth anniversary of the Voting Rights Act. This

967
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: Voting Rights Act that has been virtually gutted again. We

968
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: talked about this mostly on the Solo Pod Tuesday, but

969
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: I have something else very important I need to tell you,

970
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: and it's an apology, and I wish Tiff was here

971
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: for this. I got so chin checked this week talking

972
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Speaker 1: to someone who is a hero to many of us,

973
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Speaker 1: Shriylyn Eifel, who used to run the Legal Defense Fund

974
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Speaker 1: now is a prestigious and amazing leader professor at Howard

975
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: University leading the Fourteenth Amendment Center there. What we have

976
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Speaker 1: to know is this. Cherylyn said that Donald Trump asked

977
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: for Texas to find him five seats. He wanted those

978
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: five seats so that he could have the Kung rational majority.

979
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: She said that there absolutely will be an election in

980
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six because he's going to search for this majority. Now,

981
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: she says she didn't know about twenty eight, So I'm

982
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: retracting my apology for twenty twenty eight, Andrew. But now

983
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to eagerly count down with you how many

984
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: days we have left until the election. But I wanted

985
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: to apologize to you because it's a perspective I hadn't

986
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: considered when she said that he's going to hunt for seats, right, Like,

987
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: if he's going to hunt for seats, of course states

988
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 1: can determine if they're going to have an election or not. Again,

989
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: we don't know if it's going to be fair or not.

990
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: But the point around, well, clearly it's not going to

991
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: be fair if he can get these seats. But the

992
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: point around he's going to hunt for the seats, which

993
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: means he knows that he needs more power, is a

994
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: fair one. In it was a perspective I hadn't considered,

995
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: so I wanted to humble myself in front of the

996
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: Native Lampod fam to say, sorry.

997
00:50:52,520 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 3: Hey, accept it and really proud of you guys. Well

998
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 3: you did that, well, say normally I do.

999
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: I just wish I didn't say the thing to have to.

1000
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: Well, you know, only only a few times as it

1001
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 3: happened in broad daylight.

1002
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 4: So we think I'm messing with you.

1003
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 3: I'm messing with you because I don't want to lose

1004
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 3: this strand. The reason why they would be hunting for

1005
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 3: votes is that they are going to need a Congress

1006
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 3: that is positioned to say whether or not they will

1007
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 3: count electoral votes at the next presidential election. Again, the

1008
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 3: president in the presidential election, the electoral College votes, they

1009
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 3: must be accepted by the sitting US Congress. The sitting

1010
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 3: US Congress that gets elected in twenty twenty six will

1011
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 3: be the people who will be sitting in those seats

1012
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: come time to count the electoral votes that are produced

1013
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 3: from the elections in twenty twenty five, the presidential elections

1014
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty five. So if those if those members

1015
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 3: of Congress, those radical members of Congress who Trump is

1016
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 3: trying to get seated in this next congressional election, decide

1017
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 3: that they don't want to count the electoral votes it's

1018
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: not necessary, or they can't come to agreement on those

1019
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 3: electoral votes, does then the president get to extend his term?

1020
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 3: Does the sitting president now extend their term because there

1021
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 3: are not there is not a Congress that's willing to

1022
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 3: account and certify the electoral College votes that gets us

1023
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 3: to the required amount needed for a new president to

1024
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 3: be seated. Yeah, well, that's what's at stake.

1025
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: All of that is at stake. And as you can see, y'all,

1026
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: we have a lot more to talk about with this,

1027
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: So we're gonna go ahead and get right into that

1028
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: in our mini pod today on if we should be

1029
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: in what is ideal or what is real, and on

1030
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: the other side of repentance should always be calls to action.

1031
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: So we'll be right back with us shortly. Okay, Well,

1032
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: my call to action is if y'all see Tiff at

1033
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: the airport. Yeah, welcome home, y'all.

1034
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yes, I'd be a beautiful welcome back into the country.

1035
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 1: Yes.

1036
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 3: And for my CTA, I just want us to pay

1037
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 3: as much attention as we can and lift up in

1038
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 3: our own social media as much as we can. This

1039
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 3: redistricting fight, as Angelus said in her mini this week,

1040
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 3: as we try to emphasize here on this week's show,

1041
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 3: this is not a fight that is left to one state.

1042
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: While it may be kicking off as far as you're

1043
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 3: concerned in the state of Texas, you already hear rumors

1044
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 3: in my state, the state of Florida, which is rarely

1045
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 3: mentioned in the national conversation about this, the governor is

1046
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 3: already putting out there, hey, I may be interested in

1047
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 3: calling a special session to redraw the maps here in Florida,

1048
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 3: And already they have been committed to erasing black representation

1049
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 3: and congressional seeks from the state of Florida but if

1050
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 3: this race, if this arms race is to continue, it's

1051
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 3: possible that every Democrat and Republican state and governor who

1052
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 3: have the power to open back up this conversation, they

1053
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 3: may do so. And I think is going to be

1054
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 3: a race to the bottom for the country. But I

1055
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 3: have to say I'm in full favor of fighting fire

1056
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 3: with fire unless we lose the entire threat of our democracy.

1057
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 3: So pay attention, lift this argument up. It's not as nine,

1058
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 3: it's not unrelated. It's extremely related to the future of

1059
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 3: where we had as a country.

1060
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: That's my CITU Andrew. Since Tiff is in't here, can

1061
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: we have one more CTA? Yeah, you're going to give

1062
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: it go y'all take the survey. We got fifty dollars.

1063
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: You know how the looney said, I got five on it.

1064
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: We got fifty on it. That is ten times five

1065
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: on it. My mad ain't that good? But that's good enough.

1066
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 3: And when has it? I know a co host is

1067
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 3: trying to, you know, raise that, so y'all, hey, get

1068
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 3: in this game right now.

1069
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 1: You're trying to raise fifty dollars.

1070
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 3: No I heard you were trying to raise the sum,

1071
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 3: increase the raise the sun, raise the Sun.

1072
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: Well, now that I found out that people are active

1073
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: on the fifty, I think I'm gonna keep it.

1074
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 3: We're gonna ride it out for a minute again.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Welcome home, y'all. Andrew, do you want to tell

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Speaker 1: him how many days tell the mid term since a parents.

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Speaker 3: Well, now that we on this spot here podcasts is

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Speaker 3: it comes back there already four hundred and fifty three

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Speaker 3: days until the midterm elections, which we believe are going

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Speaker 3: to occur. For no other reason, this is just another

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Speaker 3: route for this president to maintain permanent power. As always,

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